[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] 0.6 move and downtime
Announcement from the main talk list. -- Forwarded message -- From: SteveC st...@asklater.com Date: Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:34 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] 0.6 move and downtime To: Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org Dear all We had a review call today on the technical side of OSM and one of the things that came up was the transition to API 0.6 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Protocol_Version_0.6 API 0.6 is the latest and greatest in OSM APIs and brings scrummy goodness like changesets. You can read more at the wiki page. A lot of work has gone in to it from a number of people. The downside is that there needs to be some database downtime while the change happens. This means a period of time without login, editing and so on. The slippy map will of course still work. We have agreed a date of 21/22 March. During this time, and possibly for a little while after, you won't be able to log in or edit while things are upgraded. Technical questions on this should be thrown at Matt Amos and TomH. So, apologies, but hopefully this is enough advance warning for you to avoid activities around that time. From there OSM will be stronger, better, faster, longer and higher than before. Best Steve ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] licensing working group report
Mikel Maron wrote: So what's next? A technical team meeting will be held this week to discuss the technical implementation. Next week we will hold another licensing working group meeting, where we'll produced the final integrated plan of license and technical process, and timeline for moving to the new license. We'll have another update following next week's meeting. Sounds excellent; glad to hear of progress and thanks for keeping us informed. And good luck. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/licensing-working-group-report-tp21484779p21543549.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSMF board meeting minutes for December 2008?
We had a hiccup with the osmf domain transfer which put our communications and gdocs offline over Christmas. I'll have the draft minutes for Dec available this week. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org] Sent: 19 January 2009 11:49 AM To: Licensing and other legal discussions.; Andy Robinson (blackadder- lists) Subject: OSMF board meeting minutes for December 2008? Hi, I know it's been the festive season and we're all still not done eating all the left over chocolate but would it be possible to publish the OSMF board meeting notes for December 2008 - I'd be happy with an unapproved one like the one we got for November, just to see what happended license and trade mark wise and when the next meeting is going to be. Cc'd to Andy Robinson directly because if I remember correctly, the last time Peter made a fuss about minutes Andy said it was his job and he was only reading legal-talk occasionally. Bye Frederik (proud member of OSMF since the beginning of this year ;) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1900 - Release Date: 18/01/2009 12:11 PM ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Trademark applications
Hi, Peter Miller wrote: Saying 'bombarded' is hardly fair. For the record I email the board on the 23rd Dec and received no reply. I emailed again on the 8th Jan requesting a response to my earlier email and threatening to object the following day. I had a response but it was not clear. I requested clarification on the 13th (no reply), again on the 17th (no reply) and so today we objected to the application on about the last day that it was safe to do so given the deadline of the 21st Jan. I did finally get a list of applications from the team today but only after we informed them of our actions. I used that information as the basis of the TradeMark article to which I referred earlier. In a variation of the well-known Hanlon's razor I'm tempted to assume that rather than deliberately keeping information from you (and the members), the lack of communication might be due to other priorities and/or possibly less-than-well-defined responsibilities, or maybe a lack of professionalism (something that I would not hold against the OSMF board since they haven't to my knowledge ever claimed to be, or were elected on the assumption they are, administration professionals). That being said, I'd hate to think a potential sponsor might ever get the same impression of being neglected that you have! Sometimes in an organziation it is not enough to say who is responsible for which area of business but it may also be required to make sure the others will take over responsibilities (or at least answer E-Mails) if the person in charge is unwilling or unable. I remember there was a guy a few months ago who loudly complained about some E-Mail of his not having been answered by CloudMade, and in return Nick said something along the lines of they're trying but sometimes things get overlooked, and Nick asked for recommendations of suitable ticket systems to deal with inquiries. Maybe CloudMade have investigated this and meanwhile settled on a system, and are willing to share their know-how with the Foundation board so the same software can be used for OSMF business? The advantage would then be that half the board already know how to use it ;-) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work?
I started a stub http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Walking_Routes based upon the Cycle Routes page. I hope this doesn't duplicate anything but I could not find a landing page on the wiki to cover long distance walking and hiking routes generally. Needs work to pull stuff together and the UK long distance footpath link is to Wikipedia and I guess we should produce a table(s) of our own to show progress on mapping each route. I suspect 2009 will see the emergence of proper OSM walking/hiking maps so its time we got our act together. Please pull the page apart and add new stuff. Ideally try to keep content and ideas in the same sort of format as the Cycle Route ones so that we have some synergy and we don't have to reinvent the wheel yet again ;-) Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work?
-Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Andy Robinson (blackadder- lists) Sent: 19 January 2009 10:26 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work? I started a stub http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Walking_Routes based upon the Cycle Routes page. I hope this doesn't duplicate anything but I could not find a landing page on the wiki to cover long distance walking and hiking routes generally. Needs work to pull stuff together and the UK long distance footpath link is to Wikipedia and I guess we should produce a table(s) of our own to show progress on mapping each route. I suspect 2009 will see the emergence of proper OSM walking/hiking maps so its time we got our act together. Please pull the page apart and add new stuff. Ideally try to keep content and ideas in the same sort of format as the Cycle Route ones so that we have some synergy and we don't have to reinvent the wheel yet again ;-) There's the following existing page for the UK: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Long_Dista nce_Paths Gregory ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted: 64 Garmin data cables
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Hugh Barnes list@hughbris.com wrote: Further, maybe Tristan da Cunha could use a unit if they're not all spoken for: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%C3%86var%20Arnfj%C3%B6r%C3%B0%20Bjarmason/diary/4525 That might be helpful, I've sent an E-Mail to the people I've been in contact with wrt. Tristan to see if something like this might help. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging for general household shop
Mike Harris wrote: Thanks - now I get the difference - my mistake. What we sometimes call an Aladdin's Cave - but I guess 'household' is a more generally understood tag (:) ... Aunt Wainwrights .. perhaps ;) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work?
Gregory Williams [mailto:gregory.willi...@purplegeodesoftware.co.uk] wrote: Sent: 19 January 2009 10:44 AM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists); talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: RE: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work? -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Andy Robinson (blackadder- lists) Sent: 19 January 2009 10:26 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work? I started a stub http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Walking_Routes based upon the Cycle Routes page. I hope this doesn't duplicate anything but I could not find a landing page on the wiki to cover long distance walking and hiking routes generally. Needs work to pull stuff together and the UK long distance footpath link is to Wikipedia and I guess we should produce a table(s) of our own to show progress on mapping each route. I suspect 2009 will see the emergence of proper OSM walking/hiking maps so its time we got our act together. Please pull the page apart and add new stuff. Ideally try to keep content and ideas in the same sort of format as the Cycle Route ones so that we have some synergy and we don't have to reinvent the wheel yet again ;-) There's the following existing page for the UK: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Long_Dista nce_Paths Thanks Gregory, Have changed the link from the Wikipedia one to this one. Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging for general household shop
Thanks - now I get the difference - my mistake. What we sometimes call an Aladdin's Cave - but I guess 'household' is a more generally understood tag (:) ... Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Cartinus [mailto:carti...@xs4all.nl] Sent: 18 January 2009 17:08 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging for general household shop AFAIK a convenience store sells mostly consumables, while the kind of shop Martijn is talking about mostly sells hardware for mum (to phrase it politically incorrect). On Sunday 18 January 2009 17:14:47 Mike Harris wrote: Surely this is shop=convenience - for what Americans (and increasingly Brits too!) call a convenience store. From what I recall of trips to NL this is what Blokker etc. is - but perhaps I have misunderstood? Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Martijn van Exel [mailto:mve...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 January 2009 18:01 To: OSM Talk Cc: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list Subject: [OSM-talk] Tagging for general household shop Hi all, In NL, we have a breed of shops, represented by a small number of chains (Blokker, Marskramer, may be one or two more) that 'specialise' in all kinds of general household necessities, ranging from bin liners to ironing boards and from cutlery to adhesive tape and even small household appliances. It is definitely not a department store - it's much smaller and does not have distinguishable departments. It is also not a specialty store - they focus on affordable, main stream household products. Going by this description, is there a tag that you think covers this? Otherwise I will introduce shop=household. Take care, -- martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] licensing working group report
Hi, Peter Miller wrote: Various questions have been asked on this list over the past few months; I won't repeat them, but I am sure people would welcome some answers. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Open_Issues And I'm also particularly interested to see how the license deals with http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_Licence/Use_Cases#Having_to_grant_access_to_pgsql_data_base http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_Licence/Use_Cases#Geocoding And in fact all the other stuff on the Use Cases page. Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] licensing working group report
Peter Miller wrote: Various questions have been asked on this list over the past few months; I won't repeat them, but I am sure people would welcome some answers. I'm interested particularly in: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_Licence/Use_Cases#Including_OSM_data_in_a_hand-made_map At the moment, I'm assuming I can simply print on a map derived from the OSM data: map data CCbySA www.openstreetmap.org and not offend anyone / break any rules, but I'd prefer people who would be upset by this to shout before I commit to that approach...? Best wishes, Daniel -- --|---| Daniel David Parry: dd...@cam.ac.uk |--|-- C++ will do for C what Algol-68 did for Algol. [David L. Jones] -- ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] OSMF board meeting minutes for December 2008?
Hi, I know it's been the festive season and we're all still not done eating all the left over chocolate but would it be possible to publish the OSMF board meeting notes for December 2008 - I'd be happy with an unapproved one like the one we got for November, just to see what happended license and trade mark wise and when the next meeting is going to be. Cc'd to Andy Robinson directly because if I remember correctly, the last time Peter made a fuss about minutes Andy said it was his job and he was only reading legal-talk occasionally. Bye Frederik (proud member of OSMF since the beginning of this year ;) ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging for general household shop
... eee ... bah gum! ... th'art reet ... Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] Sent: 19 January 2009 10:13 To: OSM Talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging for general household shop Mike Harris wrote: Thanks - now I get the difference - my mistake. What we sometimes call an Aladdin's Cave - but I guess 'household' is a more generally understood tag (:) ... Aunt Wainwrights .. perhaps ;) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Language rendering query
We could give other devnagri/other language alternatives even on that css
definition.
To temporarily test/solve my language rendering problem, I have recently ran
tilesGen xy with the tiles im interested in.
So now, New Delhi and a lot of the Nation Capital Region has a nice (Hindi)
names.
Now I wonder, would mapnik be hindi-ready this Wednesday.
2009/1/16 Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk
D Tucny wrote:
The t...@h installation instructions tell you to install
the DejaVu font, a free font, however, it's coverage,
snip
is missing some pretty large chunks that would likely
take significantly more effort than has so far gone into
the font to fill... as such, to render any of the missing
languages (listed below) alternative fonts are needed...
snip
What I don't understand is even if you install alternative fonts, the
osmarender stylesheets have entries such as this from caption-z11.xml:
/* Places - generic styles */
.caption-casing {
fill: white;
stroke: white;
font-family: DejaVu Sans;
font-weight: normal;
text-anchor: middle;
stroke-miterlimit: 1.5;
}
.caption-core {
stroke: white;
stroke-width: 0px;
font-family: DejaVu Sans;
font-weight: normal;
text-anchor: middle;
stroke-miterlimit: 1.5;
}
How would it know to use a font other than DejaVu Sans even if they were
installed? And in case it is relevant I'm using Windows?
Ed
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Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work?
Andy Brilliant - you have done what I have been wanting to do for some time but - as a relative newbie - had not figured out how to get to started. I have been doing a lot of mapping of walking routes lately and have already created a lot of relations in my own area. I strongly recommend relations rather than tags - for reasons already expressed in talk and newbie discussion groups. Wish the cyclists would do the same! I have made some edits on your page as a starter for 10 - but feel that I should have probably put comments somewhere else. Could you advise me on protocol and procedure as I would be more than happy to contribute to this discussion. Thanks! Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) [mailto:ajrli...@googlemail.com] Sent: 19 January 2009 10:26 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work? I started a stub http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Walking_Routes based upon the Cycle Routes page. I hope this doesn't duplicate anything but I could not find a landing page on the wiki to cover long distance walking and hiking routes generally. Needs work to pull stuff together and the UK long distance footpath link is to Wikipedia and I guess we should produce a table(s) of our own to show progress on mapping each route. I suspect 2009 will see the emergence of proper OSM walking/hiking maps so its time we got our act together. Please pull the page apart and add new stuff. Ideally try to keep content and ideas in the same sort of format as the Cycle Route ones so that we have some synergy and we don't have to reinvent the wheel yet again ;-) Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work?
The UK-only page seems to have no text. Why don't we join the two pages into one and use Andy's new one, which does have some text on it and is more international? Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Gregory Williams [mailto:gregory.willi...@purplegeodesoftware.co.uk] Sent: 19 January 2009 10:44 To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists); talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work? -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Andy Robinson (blackadder- lists) Sent: 19 January 2009 10:26 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work? I started a stub http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Walking_Routes based upon the Cycle Routes page. I hope this doesn't duplicate anything but I could not find a landing page on the wiki to cover long distance walking and hiking routes generally. Needs work to pull stuff together and the UK long distance footpath link is to Wikipedia and I guess we should produce a table(s) of our own to show progress on mapping each route. I suspect 2009 will see the emergence of proper OSM walking/hiking maps so its time we got our act together. Please pull the page apart and add new stuff. Ideally try to keep content and ideas in the same sort of format as the Cycle Route ones so that we have some synergy and we don't have to reinvent the wheel yet again ;-) There's the following existing page for the UK: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Long_Dista nce_Paths Gregory ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work?
Mike, The page is there, the link Gregory gave was simply broken in the email. I've added the correct link to the table in the page I created. In the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Long_Distance _Paths page there is a need to add the national Trails list etc to the table at the bottom so that we have just one location to monitor progress. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Mike Harris [mailto:mik...@googlemail.com] Sent: 19 January 2009 1:20 PM To: 'Gregory Williams'; 'Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)'; talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: RE: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work? The UK-only page seems to have no text. Why don't we join the two pages into one and use Andy's new one, which does have some text on it and is more international? Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Gregory Williams [mailto:gregory.willi...@purplegeodesoftware.co.uk] Sent: 19 January 2009 10:44 To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists); talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work? -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Andy Robinson (blackadder- lists) Sent: 19 January 2009 10:26 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work? I started a stub http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Walking_Routes based upon the Cycle Routes page. I hope this doesn't duplicate anything but I could not find a landing page on the wiki to cover long distance walking and hiking routes generally. Needs work to pull stuff together and the UK long distance footpath link is to Wikipedia and I guess we should produce a table(s) of our own to show progress on mapping each route. I suspect 2009 will see the emergence of proper OSM walking/hiking maps so its time we got our act together. Please pull the page apart and add new stuff. Ideally try to keep content and ideas in the same sort of format as the Cycle Route ones so that we have some synergy and we don't have to reinvent the wheel yet again ;-) There's the following existing page for the UK: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Long_Dista nce_Paths Gregory No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1900 - Release Date: 18/01/2009 12:11 PM ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] name tags on place=country and how they're rendered on lowzoom
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ビカス ヤダワ (vikas yadav) wrote: where is a local language being set for a country or a region? By the country or regions government, usually. I think there is a misunderstanding going on here. If I speak English, I want and English map of the world. If I speak French, I want a French map of the world. In neither case do I want a map that has England in English and France in French. IMHO, the correct procedure for drawing a map is to: 1. Decide what language your map is in. 2. Look for name:[language]= tags and draw them 3. Look for name= tags where the one for your language doesn't exist. The problem is that the default maps generated by the project (mapnik and osmarender) both get this wrong. They omit step one, and try to pretend that the map can be not in any particular language. AFAIK, there is no English language rendering of OSM. There is a Welsh one, for example here: http://sucs.org/~rollercow/cyosm/ and probably other languages around the place. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkl0ioMACgkQz+aYVHdncI1HhgCdFZ6LnUDS7/DQc7zpz2M2ZNVv 4kgAoOjYB/J4Lbvom4tBoTNNbouBDANf =jQ7s -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wanted: 64 Garmin data cables
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Hugh Barnes list@hughbris.com wrote: On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:30:48 + 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Some of you may have noticed that while we have had a donation of 68 GPS units and assorted cables, it only included 4 Garmin data cables. For some purposes, such as mapping parties, one data cable can be shared between several GPS units. But for maximum geographical distribution we really need a data cable for each GPS unit. So I'm putting out an appeal for anyone who has a spare or unused Garmin data cable to donate it to the Foundation. I noticed this DIY cable mentioned in user CeBe's diary a little while back: http://www.jens-seiler.de/etrex/datacable.html That is fine for us! only need the usb adapters humano Colombia At a pinch, it might get you out of trouble. Or we could make them for ourselves and send through our official cables ? Further, maybe Tristan da Cunha could use a unit if they're not all spoken for: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%C3%86var%20Arnfj%C3%B6r%C3%B0%20Bjarmason/diary/4525 Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Lee un artículo sobre nosotros en el tiempo: http://www.eltiempo.com/colombia/bogota/empresas-de-tecnologia-basadas-en-software-libre-se-expanden-en-bogota_4708463-1 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] name tags on place=country and how they're rendered on lowzoom
On Thu, January 15, 2009 14:31, Stefan Baebler wrote: where is a local language being set for a country or a region? It isn't at all. The software doesn't know which language name is in, only the mapper does. Software can only gues the language of the default name from an identical name value with a specified language. eg: name=Venezia name:en=Venice name:sl=Benetke name:de=Venedig ... can additonally be tagged with name:it=Venezia This could be used to make nice maps of default languages, if only it was used more than just on major cities (smaller places rarely have foreign names) With just one tag precisely describing the name (with language) all other translations could be pulled from wikipedia (enriching maps with additional languages) when needed eg such precise tag could be wikipedia:en=Venice This is one reason why I add the geonames ID of country objects to the node. If necessary, a renderer could pull additional names from geonames, if / when they become available, without having to go to Wikipedia and parse the information found there. Mind you, I'm adding just the geonames ID, not the data found there ;-) Regards, Hakan -- The key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work?
If it would help to tie the Cleveland Way relation together I can offer a series of 300m-separated waypoints in OSGB format for the section between Helmsley (actually from the spur at the bottom of White Horse Bank) and Guisborough. No tracklog though - it is from an old GPS with no data cable. Also something similar for the bottom end of the Pennine Way (as far North as Littleborough). One question though: Is there a limit on the total number of ways in one relation and is it possible that the Pennine Bridleway (which is lots of higgledy-piggledy bits of bridleway joined together) might exceed it? Some more local (UK Derby/Notts) stuff I'll updated Other named paths and trails, although I guess that that will need to be split out to another page if it gets too large. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] name tags on place=country and how they're rendered on lowzoom
2009/1/19 Hakan Tandogan ha...@gurkensalat.com: On Thu, January 15, 2009 14:31, Stefan Baebler wrote: where is a local language being set for a country or a region? It isn't at all. The software doesn't know which language name is in, only the mapper does. Software can only gues the language of the default name from an identical name value with a specified language. eg: name=Venezia name:en=Venice name:sl=Benetke name:de=Venedig ... can additonally be tagged with name:it=Venezia This could be used to make nice maps of default languages, if only it was used more than just on major cities (smaller places rarely have foreign names) With just one tag precisely describing the name (with language) all other translations could be pulled from wikipedia (enriching maps with additional languages) when needed eg such precise tag could be wikipedia:en=Venice I was wondering about links to wikipedia in national languages and asked about it on IRC recently and settled on tagging with wikipedia=en:Venice rather than wikipedia:en=Venice (actually I use the form wikipedia=language:Page_Title only for non-english articles and wikipedia=Page_Title if English is available). I try to tag not only major place names but also anything else that has a page. Using wikipedia= instead of wikipedia:language= is good because it strongly suggests that there is only one such tag per object instead of many and avoids having conflicting translations with those in wikipedia. This is one reason why I add the geonames ID of country objects to the node. If necessary, a renderer could pull additional names from geonames, if / when they become available, without having to go to Wikipedia and parse the information found there. Slightly off-topic, the recently added low-zoom country map display (mapnik) apparently pulls data from outside OSM database. I spotted a typo (or what I think is a typo) and wanted to correct it and found that the name with a typo was nowhere in the database. I think the renderer should only pull data from sources that we can fix. Where does the data come from? Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work?
If you make that OSGB file available I'm sure someone will convert to lat/lon and upload, same with any other bits that you have that are missing from elsewhere. A relation should quite happily hold all of the bits and pieces for the Pennine Bridleway, it wouldn't really be doing its intended job if it didn't. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Someoneelse Sent: 19 January 2009 3:28 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work? If it would help to tie the Cleveland Way relation together I can offer a series of 300m-separated waypoints in OSGB format for the section between Helmsley (actually from the spur at the bottom of White Horse Bank) and Guisborough. No tracklog though - it is from an old GPS with no data cable. Also something similar for the bottom end of the Pennine Way (as far North as Littleborough). One question though: Is there a limit on the total number of ways in one relation and is it possible that the Pennine Bridleway (which is lots of higgledy-piggledy bits of bridleway joined together) might exceed it? Some more local (UK Derby/Notts) stuff I'll updated Other named paths and trails, although I guess that that will need to be split out to another page if it gets too large. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1900 - Release Date: 18/01/2009 12:11 PM ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] licensing working group report
From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Open_Issues And I'm also particularly interested to see how the license deals with http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_Licence/Use_Cases#Having_to_grant_access_to_pgsql_data_base http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_Licence/Use_Cases#Geocoding And in fact all the other stuff on the Use Cases page. From: Daniel Parry dd...@cam.ac.uk I'm interested particularly in: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_Licence/Use_Cases#Including_OSM_data_in_a_hand-made_map We'll have the draft of the new license in the coming weeks. We can then look in detail as these use cases. Will this first draft address every possible use case? No. But going forward, there will be a process in place to refine the license and address outstanding use cases. Best Mikel ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] outside data sources? (was: name tags on place=country ...)
Am 19.01.2009 17:01, andrzej zaborowski: Slightly off-topic, the recently added low-zoom country map display (mapnik) apparently pulls data from outside OSM database. I spotted a typo (or what I think is a typo) and wanted to correct it and found that the name with a typo was nowhere in the database. I think the renderer should only pull data from sources that we can fix. Where does the data come from? That's not the case. I'd be rather that someone spotted and fixed the typo reight before you. Regards, Claudius ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work?
Am 19.01.2009 14:17, Mike Harris: I have made some edits on your page as a starter for 10 - but feel that I should have probably put comments somewhere else. Could you advise me on protocol and procedure as I would be more than happy to contribute to this discussion. Don't hesitate, just do it! as long as you are not just deleting large parts. And let me just add a general hint not to use the wiki article page as a discussion page like. Tagging walking hiking Node Networks Do these exist anywhere? Yes, in Belgium and the Netherlands there are a number of these networks That's what the discussion page is for. Rather rewrite the sentence preferably with a link: Tagging walking hiking Node Networks Belgium and the Netherlands has some of these: See here and here Happy wiki-editing, Claudius ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] name tags on place=country and how they're rendered on lowzoom
Can you give an example please? The change I instigated in mapnik was to pick up the place=country tag combination from the database and map that. Cheers STEVE -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org on behalf of andrzej zaborowski Sent: Mon 1/19/2009 4:01 PM To: Hakan Tandogan Cc: vi...@thevikas.com; osm-talk; Sascha Silbe Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] name tags on place=country and how they're rendered on lowzoom Slightly off-topic, the recently added low-zoom country map display (mapnik) apparently pulls data from outside OSM database. I spotted a typo (or what I think is a typo) and wanted to correct it and found that the name with a typo was nowhere in the database. I think the renderer should only pull data from sources that we can fix. Where does the data come from? Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] licensing working group report
Peter, Possibly you could update timeline article to explain clearly how this license will be implemented, and then we can assist you with that process. The plan is to work on the timeline at the next meeting. To be clear, I would expect that a number of people within OSM and the Foundation would review each draft of the license as produced by the lawyers. Can you say who sees each draft of the license who can confirm that it is heading in the right direction. Wilson Sonsini and Jordan Hatcher are currently finishing the draft. We'll all have access to it as soon as it's ready. This core issue still seems to be up in the air which is unfortunate. The organisation, if it is not the Foundation, needs to be highly trusted to make only suitable changes over the long term and maintain the viral elements of the license. I suggest that the Foundation should be the host unless there is an obvious alternative stable alternative. Can't really say more about this at the moment. It's under discussion. However it ends up, the license must be in good hands, and maintained with all the spirit and intent of the license. That most certainly includes viral elements. If the foundation was the host, then we would need to appoint some really top-notch trustees to agree to any changes to the license, but I think we could now attract them. This would require changes to the articles of assoiciation, and possibly require the foundation to gain charity status, but that is very possible and could happen in the next few months. I would be happy to advice you on this. Well that's a much larger and interesting suggestion, I think beyond the scope of what we're talking about here right now. Can we not help on this draft and there does still seem to be a lot to do? Our lawyer should be able to review the license with a 48 hours response time against the Use Cases. We would be happy to pay for this and make the results available to the community. It's nearly there. Let's just sit tight, let the Wilson Sonsini and Jordan Hatcher do their work over the next couple weeks. There will be thorough communications every step of the way. Might ask for some help from everyone on the wiki though, as there will be quite a lot to update there. I would be happy to help. Great, that will be appreciated. Best Mikel___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] Redundant post box
Hi, Whilst trying to find post box references in my area, I found quite a few post boxes that are no longer being used. They are still there, and I doubt they will be removed any time soon. However they are no-longer an amenity, as no post will be collected from them. What is the current procedure for tagging these types of post boxes? The wiki page for the amenity=post_box tag doesn't provide any suggestions. Regards, Ciarán ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] name tags on place=country and how they're rendered on lowzoom
2009/1/19 vegard veg...@engen.priv.no: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 05:01:17PM +0100, andrzej zaborowski wrote: I was wondering about links to wikipedia in national languages and asked about it on IRC recently and settled on tagging with wikipedia=en:Venice rather than wikipedia:en=Venice (actually I use the form wikipedia=language:Page_Title only for non-english articles and wikipedia=Page_Title if English is available). I try to tag not only major place names but also anything else that has a page. Using wikipedia= instead of wikipedia:language= is good because it strongly suggests that there is only one such tag per object instead of many and avoids having conflicting translations with those in wikipedia. This, I do not agree with at all. And your example is very good to demonstrate :) Why shouldn't the italian version of the page, http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezia, be the authorative page, It looks a little bit larger and more extensive. Sure, I'm not saying English is preferred or authoritative.. just how to tag it. In case of an italian city node, you may want to use wikipedia=it:Venezia, but it doesn't really make any difference because pages on the different wikipedias are all interlinked. Since the wikipedia= tag is already documented on the wiki and was used for linking to english articles on WP, for compatibility with what's already there I leave out the en: part if it's in english (not otherwise). Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] name tags on place=country and how they're rendered on lowzoom
2009/1/19 Steve Chilton s.l.chil...@mdx.ac.uk: Can you give an example please? The change I instigated in mapnik was to pick up the place=country tag combination from the database and map that. Oh this isn't a place=country, it's particularly the Lake Onegh halfway between the labels Finland and Russian Federation (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=61.7mlon=36.7zoom=5layers=B000FTF). (note that the lake as a patch of water also doesn't appear at this zoom level) Not meaning to say that it shouldn't be rendered... just wondering where the names are pulled from. If you look at Moscow, it renders as Moskva (which *is* in the database -- but only as name:no) Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Redundant post box
2009/1/19 Ciaran Mooney general.moo...@googlemail.com: Whilst trying to find post box references in my area, I found quite a few post boxes that are no longer being used. They are still there, and I doubt they will be removed any time soon. However they are no-longer an amenity, as no post will be collected from them. What is the current procedure for tagging these types of post boxes? The wiki page for the amenity=post_box tag doesn't provide any suggestions. I guess disused=yes for starters http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disused I guess they'd still render though. Perhaps a different icon would be useful. Hope this helps, LT ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Trademark applications
I checked on the Intellectual Property Office's website over the weekend and discovered that the trademark applications previously discussed on this list were still in SteveC's personal name. This concerned me as the final date on which objections could be lodged for one of them was the 21st Jan. We checked with the UK IPO today by phone and confirmed that no transfer forms had been received and I lodged an objection. This gives the foundation a further month to make the transfer. In order to track these trademark applications, and possibly others in the future, I have created a new wiki page for trademarks. I have also added a short cautionary section to the page explaining why it is a bad idea for an individual to own a trademark for an open source project. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Trademark I have exchanged a number of emails with the foundation over the past month on this matter about some changes that have been made since the board meeting however I fail to see how what has been done protects the project. I would invite SteveC or Andy to explain on this list what exactly has changed since then and why we should not be worried. Regards, Peter Miller ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] FIXME NOTE tags
Hi, i just saw the wiki about internal tags. Why not have 'FIXME' and 'note' as 2 official tags, and shown on the map features list along with recommended uses for each? This would solve the problem of different variations being used. -we can then colaboratively define it so internally, the osminspector programs can be taught. Thanks, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Trademark applications
Dear all Speaking from a personal point of view as the guy who founded the project, registered the domains and trademarks and all that... I can make absolutely clear I handed off all ownership of the domains and trademarks to the foundation. I would invite others to do the same for the local openstreetmap domains. Because of the xmas break and so on the treasurer and secretary may not have had the time to fill in all the paperwork just yet, but I've instructed, last month in fact, the registration firm I used to deal now only with them. Peter of course knows all of this because he's been repeatedly bombarding board and team members with threatening emails. It's unfortunate that his core, often valid, concerns and objections are so often overtaken by personal attacks and bridge burning exercises. Peter, in trying to apply all these different pressure points on board and team members I can assure you that you are achieving the opposite of your aims. I would invite you, again, to address issues to the secretary of the OSMF and also have patience that we are volunteers. I believe we could build a more positive relationship if you did this. Much as Grant was also very worried about the trade marks, it is sometimes easy to feel isolated and that conspiracies exist or that the OSMF board members are not acting in good faith. I have deep respect for the team and the board and I feel that if you did too we could work better toward making OSM even more successful. Best Steve On 19 Jan 2009, at 12:43, Peter Miller wrote: I checked on the Intellectual Property Office's website over the weekend and discovered that the trademark applications previously discussed on this list were still in SteveC's personal name. This concerned me as the final date on which objections could be lodged for one of them was the 21st Jan. We checked with the UK IPO today by phone and confirmed that no transfer forms had been received and I lodged an objection. This gives the foundation a further month to make the transfer. In order to track these trademark applications, and possibly others in the future, I have created a new wiki page for trademarks. I have also added a short cautionary section to the page explaining why it is a bad idea for an individual to own a trademark for an open source project. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Trademark I have exchanged a number of emails with the foundation over the past month on this matter about some changes that have been made since the board meeting however I fail to see how what has been done protects the project. I would invite SteveC or Andy to explain on this list what exactly has changed since then and why we should not be worried. Regards, Peter Miller ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Redundant post box
On 19 Jan 2009, at 20:33, LeedsTracker wrote: 2009/1/19 Ciaran Mooney general.moo...@googlemail.com: Whilst trying to find post box references in my area, I found quite a few post boxes that are no longer being used. They are still there, and I doubt they will be removed any time soon. However they are no-longer an amenity, as no post will be collected from them. What is the current procedure for tagging these types of post boxes? The wiki page for the amenity=post_box tag doesn't provide any suggestions. I guess disused=yes for starters http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disused I guess they'd still render though. Perhaps a different icon would be useful. NO Using that method will mean that anything that uses amenity=post_box needs to be updated with, in some cases some really awkward logic. Use something like amenity=old_post_box or old_amenity=post_box or amenity=disused_post_box, or maybe even doing something like the construction tag: amenity=disused; disused=post_box. This is better because current users of the the data looking for something current don't have to change or look at some other tags to discover if it is still currently an amenity. Shaun ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Redundant post box
2009/1/19 LeedsTracker leedstrac...@gmail.com: 2009/1/19 Ciaran Mooney general.moo...@googlemail.com: Whilst trying to find post box references in my area, I found quite a few post boxes that are no longer being used. They are still there, and I doubt they will be removed any time soon. However they are no-longer an amenity, as no post will be collected from them. What is the current procedure for tagging these types of post boxes? The wiki page for the amenity=post_box tag doesn't provide any suggestions. I guess disused=yes for starters http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disused I guess they'd still render though. Perhaps a different icon would be useful. Hope this helps, LT Ugh, this method got through voting?! -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Potlatch version 8 million?
So should the Crysys engine be the benchmark for our new editor. Ok, so probably not, but I guess we are going to see people pouring OSM data into these gaming engines soon and then manipulating it. I love the ways they canmodify the environment in real time by pull roads around and filling in the ground. GDC 2007: Crysis CryEngine2 Level Editor Demo Pt.2 http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=w9JV7Bszonkfeature=related I really like this as well. Next time you tag something as sea, a lake, a beach or a forest then think of this. http://www.vimeo.com/2304891 Regards, Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch version 8 million?
Hi, Peter Miller wrote: I love the ways they canmodify the environment in real time by pull roads around and filling in the ground. Yes, and those tanks will come in handy with the world's edit wars. OSM Conflict resolution suddenly gets a whole new meaning! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] caveat - potlatch overrides extern changes
On Jan 18, 2009, at 3:39 AM, Karl Eichwalder wrote: From time to time I use josm and potlatch more or less simultaniesly. If I upload data with josm, potlatch does not see these changes. potlatch seems to save its data more or less unconditionally; it does not warn the user that data changes took place externally. Indeed. Really, for locking reasons, this is something that the API should enforce. An editor should be uploading I changed this node from HERE to THERE and if HERE is no longer true, the API should reject the upload with a conflict resolution request (of some sort ... details left for speculation by the reader). (Maybe it already does this, and it isn't working properly for Potlatch for some reason. I haven't looked at the source or the API docs for confirmation.) Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.com/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Trademark applications
On 19 Jan 2009, at 21:06, SteveC wrote: Peter of course knows all of this because he's been repeatedly bombarding board and team members with threatening emails. It's unfortunate that his core, often valid, concerns and objections are so often overtaken by personal attacks and bridge burning exercises. Saying 'bombarded' is hardly fair. For the record I email the board on the 23rd Dec and received no reply. I emailed again on the 8th Jan requesting a response to my earlier email and threatening to object the following day. I had a response but it was not clear. I requested clarification on the 13th (no reply), again on the 17th (no reply) and so today we objected to the application on about the last day that it was safe to do so given the deadline of the 21st Jan. I did finally get a list of applications from the team today but only after we informed them of our actions. I used that information as the basis of the TradeMark article to which I referred earlier. Other readers of this list might be interested in the questions I asked the board in relation to trademark prior to their board meeting of the 23rd Dec (for which we are still waiting to see the minutes): --- Have all the trademark applications made by SteveC, or by any other directors or knowingly being made by any other people associated with any directors now been transfered to the foundation or withdrawn? To be clear the trademark 'applications' would be transfered to the foundation not the successful trademark after award. These following trade mark applications were still shown as being in Steve's name as of the 17th December: UK trademark The application for the mark (application number 2500154) has been Examined, but there is no indication that the application has been rejected. This does not mean that the mark has necessarily been accepted for publication (the next stage in the registration procedure), it could be that the applicant is arguing to overcome the objections which you mentioned in your e-mail. However, until the Registrar of Trade Marks formally rejects the application for the mark we must treat the application as being on-going. The application for the logo (application number 2500155) has been accepted and was advertised with a publication date of 21st November 2008. Third parties now have a period of two months from the publication date to object to registration of the logo. This period can be extended by a month by submitting a notice of intention to object, this does not commit one to making an objection. Community Trade Mark Application One application has been filed on behalf of Steve Coast for the mark “OpenStreetMap”, again in class 41. Once published there will be a three month period from the publication date for third parties to object to registration of the mark. I believe that it imperative that the trademark 'applications' are transfered and I also believe it is the duty of the directors of the foundation to protect the assets of the project and to ensure that this happens. To be clear, should any individual or organisation end up owning the trademarks in any jurisdiction then the project would need to request permission from that person to use the trademark and that request could be confused. Should that person die the assets will pass with their estate to another person, organisation or possibly end up intestate. With a project of this scale we should not take that risk. Could the foundation please establish and publish answers to the following: 1) In what jurisdictions trademarks have been applied, when were they applied for and what is the application number in each case. 2) Has the necessary paperwork has been processed to transfer the applications to the foundation in all cases 3) Has an independent director of the foundation (ie one not linked in any way to CM) independently confirmed the transfer If any applications have not already been transferred then they should be transferred as a matter of urgency and this transfer should be confirmed as described above. If people believe I am over reacting, I suggest you glance of this unpleasant case involving an open source project and a trademark held in the name of the founder. Yesterday, 2008-10-27: 21:00 GMT, just a minute before the regular TWiki release meeting, the company TWIKI.NET announced unilaterally that the best for the TWiki.org project would be for them to take over governance. With it comes a complete lock down of the community site. From that minute on, all long-time contributors have lost access to their code. Counter-reaction: the community has left the building, leaving TWIKI.NET without a contributing community. Question: is it a sensible move for a venture capital firm that depends on a healthy Open Source community to lock it out? Access to the site is only granted if contributors agree to a
Re: [OSM-talk] caveat - potlatch overrides extern changes
On 19 Jan 2009, at 22:11, Russ Nelson wrote: On Jan 18, 2009, at 3:39 AM, Karl Eichwalder wrote: From time to time I use josm and potlatch more or less simultaniesly. If I upload data with josm, potlatch does not see these changes. potlatch seems to save its data more or less unconditionally; it does not warn the user that data changes took place externally. Indeed. Really, for locking reasons, this is something that the API should enforce. An editor should be uploading I changed this node from HERE to THERE and if HERE is no longer true, the API should reject the upload with a conflict resolution request (of some sort ... details left for speculation by the reader). (Maybe it already does this, and it isn't working properly for Potlatch for some reason. I haven't looked at the source or the API docs for confirmation.) This version checking will be coming in the next api release (0.6). Shaun ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch version 8 million?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Peter Miller wrote: I love the ways they canmodify the environment in real time by pull roads around and filling in the ground. Yes, and those tanks will come in handy with the world's edit wars. OSM Conflict resolution suddenly gets a whole new meaning! Bye Frederik you're wrong Fred, the video shows there are tanks and guns inside the editor to virtually resolv conflics ;) but the perspective view of a 3d editing can be exposed... you can render 2D files/exports, as using it in a secondlife-like to go deeper than google earth. -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Redundant post box
2009/1/19 Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.com: 2009/1/19 LeedsTracker leedstrac...@gmail.com: 2009/1/19 Ciaran Mooney general.moo...@googlemail.com: Whilst trying to find post box references in my area, I found quite a few post boxes that are no longer being used. They are still there, and I doubt they will be removed any time soon. However they are no-longer an amenity, as no post will be collected from them. What is the current procedure for tagging these types of post boxes? The wiki page for the amenity=post_box tag doesn't provide any suggestions. I guess disused=yes for starters http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disused I guess they'd still render though. Perhaps a different icon would be useful. Ugh, this method got through voting?! I don't know, I'm just saying what I might do having looked at the wiki. In reality I probably wouldn't map it at all, personally. However, there are many pubs near me that are closed down but are useful landmarks. For now I've used amenity=pub, disused=yes, because it seemed like the least worst option. Related in my mind is access=private. There are quite a few service roads with private access, and that combination of tags (highway=service, access=private) is rendered as a hatched road. I assume routing software can make use of this too. cheers, LT ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] [Fwd: [Talk-us] Announcing the Fedora Geo Spin]
Forwarded Message From: Yaakov Nemoy loupgaroubl...@gmail.com To: fedora-sp...@lists.fedoraproject.org Cc: Development discussions related to Fedora fedora-devel-l...@redhat.com, Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-l...@redhat.com, talk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-us] Announcing the Fedora Geo Spin Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:18:16 -0500 Hi Lists, Let's begin with an apology, shall we? Sorry for cross posting, but this does concern people on multiple mailing lists. I would like to announce the formation of a Fedora Geo Spin with tools for integration into Open Street Map. For more information, please see the following link: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ynemoy/Fedora_Geo_Spin In short, the Fedora Geo Spin will be a respin of Fedora with packages for doing OSM and cartography installed out of the box, or included on a LiveCD and/or LiveUSB. For OSM people, the primary advantage is a live usb stick that can be used at mapping parties to save time configuring user computers to do mapping. The USB stick can then be brought home, and the user can continue doing mapping there. For Fedora people, it gives us better Fedora exposure. Right now, the spin is a draft, and once completed will be submitted to the Fedora Spins process for approval and inclusion in Fedora as a blessed spin. The link above will be the canonical todo list, for anyone looking to participate. If you wish to help, please feel free to contact me on or off these email lists. Cheers, Yaakov Nemoy ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National french cadastre WMS opened to OSM
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pleased to announce that the french Minister of the Economy, and its department DGFiP in charge of the french cadastre and its vectorization has accepted our request to access their WMS for OpenStreetMap. let me be the first to congratulate... this really is a great success for our project. Congratulation! -Simone ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National french cadastre WMS opened to OSM
2009/1/19 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com: On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pleased to announce that the french Minister of the Economy, and its department DGFiP in charge of the french cadastre and its vectorization has accepted our request to access their WMS for OpenStreetMap. Good work! I look forward to the blossoming of France on OSM. Amitiés, LT ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National french cadastre WMS opened to OSM
In adequation, I'm proud too to announe that my french city : Brest area, offer vectorals datas. Here is a preview : http://galerie.le-roux.info/main.php?g2_itemId=5378 If you click for the larger version, you'll see the great thickness of buildings vectors. These datas contain street name, parkings, bus stops, and all other all public datas(stadium, housenumbers,...) France is moving on for free datas... better late than never. Pieren will now largely diffuse his JOSM plugin for cadastre, and the work will be easier and quicker. It's not finished :) On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:14 AM, LeedsTracker leedstrac...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/19 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com: On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pleased to announce that the french Minister of the Economy, and its department DGFiP in charge of the french cadastre and its vectorization has accepted our request to access their WMS for OpenStreetMap. Good work! I look forward to the blossoming of France on OSM. Amitiés, LT ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] 0.6 move and downtime
Dear all We had a review call today on the technical side of OSM and one of the things that came up was the transition to API 0.6 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Protocol_Version_0.6 API 0.6 is the latest and greatest in OSM APIs and brings scrummy goodness like changesets. You can read more at the wiki page. A lot of work has gone in to it from a number of people. The downside is that there needs to be some database downtime while the change happens. This means a period of time without login, editing and so on. The slippy map will of course still work. We have agreed a date of 21/22 March. During this time, and possibly for a little while after, you won't be able to log in or edit while things are upgraded. Technical questions on this should be thrown at Matt Amos and TomH. So, apologies, but hopefully this is enough advance warning for you to avoid activities around that time. From there OSM will be stronger, better, faster, longer and higher than before. Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] The coast is clear (almost!)
I take no credit for this, but the world's coastline is now completely clear (well very very nearly clear anyway). This is a huge result for the project and one for which we own thanks to a small number of dedicated volunteers who have self-organised themselves to do this job without any fanfare. You can admire a very non-red map here: http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/coastlines.html I published also a few images on Flickr to show who had been doing most of the work Asia, Europe, Australia and Africa here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterito/3120831637/in/pool-itomedia The Americas here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/itoworld/3153798708/in/pool-itomedia Here are the currently outstanding issues (most probably only a few days old): There is a single problem in the bay area of the USA, one in Florida, one in India and one in Australia (these are probably errors that have been introduced in the past few days). There is also a false problem reported for an island that crosses +180 degrees and another for Antarctica for the same reason. There are also some reported problems, possible also false, for the some islands off the Swedish coast. This Swedish issue was discussed on this list a week or so ago but I didn't follow the discussion. It would be great if we could get to the point where the editors/API would refuse to accept updates that broken the coastline however I realise that this is something for later. For now we need to continue to 'patrol' the coastline on a regular basis and just say 'thanks folks!' Regards, Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk-nl] symbolen op nl-tileserver
Hoi, Klopt het dat er geen symbolen meer verschijnen op de Nederlandse slippy map? Wie kan daar wat aan doen? -- martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] Cool: Up-To-Date bookmarklet
Ha allemaal, Handig als je meteen gerenderd wil zien wat er nieuw is op OSM: de Up- to-date bookmarklet van MetaCarta. http://labs.metacarta.com/osm/up-to-date/ Geinig is dat het ook op de Nederlandse tileserver werkt, zie je meteen de verschillen in rendering tussen .org en .nl. Martijn -- martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] symbolen op nl-tileserver
Hey, Over welke symbolen heb je het en heb je een linkje naar waar ze wel zouden moeten staan maar nu niet staan? --Roeland On Monday 19 January 2009 17:14:42 Martijn van Exel wrote: Hoi, Klopt het dat er geen symbolen meer verschijnen op de Nederlandse slippy map? Wie kan daar wat aan doen? -- martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] symbolen op nl-tileserver
Ik zie helemaal geen symbolen meer. http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/?zoom=18lat=52.35277lon=4.89089layers=B000F Hier zou van alles moeten staan: cafés, winkels, pinautomaten, bioscoop. -- martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ Op 19 jan 2009, om 17:39 heeft Roeland Douma het volgende geschreven: Hey, Over welke symbolen heb je het en heb je een linkje naar waar ze wel zouden moeten staan maar nu niet staan? --Roeland On Monday 19 January 2009 17:14:42 Martijn van Exel wrote: Hoi, Klopt het dat er geen symbolen meer verschijnen op de Nederlandse slippy map? Wie kan daar wat aan doen? -- martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http:// www.schaaltreinen.nl/ ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] symbolen op nl-tileserver
De symbolen lijken inderdaad weg te zijn. Wat raar is aangezien ik net de stylesheet heb geupdate naar de svn versie. Ik ga even kijken of er iets fout is in de style sheet of dat het probleem ergens ander ligt. --Roeland On Monday 19 January 2009 18:07:54 Martijn van Exel wrote: Ik zie helemaal geen symbolen meer. http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/?zoom=18lat=52.35277lon=4.89089layers=B000F Hier zou van alles moeten staan: cafés, winkels, pinautomaten, bioscoop. -- martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ Op 19 jan 2009, om 17:39 heeft Roeland Douma het volgende geschreven: Hey, Over welke symbolen heb je het en heb je een linkje naar waar ze wel zouden moeten staan maar nu niet staan? --Roeland On Monday 19 January 2009 17:14:42 Martijn van Exel wrote: Hoi, Klopt het dat er geen symbolen meer verschijnen op de Nederlandse slippy map? Wie kan daar wat aan doen? -- martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http:// www.schaaltreinen.nl/ ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] symbolen op nl-tileserver
Martijn van Exel wrote: Ik zie helemaal geen symbolen meer. http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/?zoom=18lat=52.35277lon=4.89089layers=B000F Hier zou van alles moeten staan: cafés, winkels, pinautomaten, bioscoop. Ik zie een paar symobel, maar ik zie ook de Ceintuurbaan en de Ferdinand Bolstraat die opeens vankleur veranderen. En de naam van dat restaurant ...ayon is ook incompleet. Het lijkt wel alsof er een andere sylesheet is gebruikt. Maarten -- martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ Op 19 jan 2009, om 17:39 heeft Roeland Douma het volgende geschreven: Hey, Over welke symbolen heb je het en heb je een linkje naar waar ze wel zouden moeten staan maar nu niet staan? --Roeland On Monday 19 January 2009 17:14:42 Martijn van Exel wrote: Hoi, Klopt het dat er geen symbolen meer verschijnen op de Nederlandse slippy map? Wie kan daar wat aan doen? -- martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http:// www.schaaltreinen.nl/ ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] symbolen op nl-tileserver
Goed geraden. Zo wordt alles opnieuw gerenderd. --Roeland On Monday 19 January 2009 18:49:17 Maarten Deen wrote: Martijn van Exel wrote: Ik zie helemaal geen symbolen meer. http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/?zoom=18lat=52.35277lon=4.89089layers=B000F Hier zou van alles moeten staan: cafés, winkels, pinautomaten, bioscoop. Ik zie een paar symobel, maar ik zie ook de Ceintuurbaan en de Ferdinand Bolstraat die opeens vankleur veranderen. En de naam van dat restaurant ...ayon is ook incompleet. Het lijkt wel alsof er een andere sylesheet is gebruikt. Maarten -- martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ Op 19 jan 2009, om 17:39 heeft Roeland Douma het volgende geschreven: Hey, Over welke symbolen heb je het en heb je een linkje naar waar ze wel zouden moeten staan maar nu niet staan? --Roeland On Monday 19 January 2009 17:14:42 Martijn van Exel wrote: Hoi, Klopt het dat er geen symbolen meer verschijnen op de Nederlandse slippy map? Wie kan daar wat aan doen? -- martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http:// www.schaaltreinen.nl/ ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] symbolen op nl-tileserver
Zoom 18 is geupdate. En alles ziet er weer goed uit met de nodige symbolen. We hebben nu weer de nieuwste stylesheet (op de speedlayer). --Roeland On Monday 19 January 2009 18:54:44 Roeland Douma wrote: Goed geraden. Zo wordt alles opnieuw gerenderd. --Roeland On Monday 19 January 2009 18:49:17 Maarten Deen wrote: Martijn van Exel wrote: Ik zie helemaal geen symbolen meer. http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/?zoom=18lat=52.35277lon=4.89089layers=B000F Hier zou van alles moeten staan: cafés, winkels, pinautomaten, bioscoop. Ik zie een paar symobel, maar ik zie ook de Ceintuurbaan en de Ferdinand Bolstraat die opeens vankleur veranderen. En de naam van dat restaurant ...ayon is ook incompleet. Het lijkt wel alsof er een andere sylesheet is gebruikt. Maarten -- martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ Op 19 jan 2009, om 17:39 heeft Roeland Douma het volgende geschreven: Hey, Over welke symbolen heb je het en heb je een linkje naar waar ze wel zouden moeten staan maar nu niet staan? --Roeland On Monday 19 January 2009 17:14:42 Martijn van Exel wrote: Hoi, Klopt het dat er geen symbolen meer verschijnen op de Nederlandse slippy map? Wie kan daar wat aan doen? -- martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http:// www.schaaltreinen.nl/ ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] symbolen op nl-tileserver
Vroeger zag ik ook supermarkten, die zijn nog steeds weg. Ronald Roeland Douma wrote: Zoom 18 is geupdate. En alles ziet er weer goed uit met de nodige symbolen. We hebben nu weer de nieuwste stylesheet (op de speedlayer). --Roeland On Monday 19 January 2009 18:54:44 Roeland Douma wrote: Goed geraden. Zo wordt alles opnieuw gerenderd. --Roeland On Monday 19 January 2009 18:49:17 Maarten Deen wrote: Martijn van Exel wrote: Ik zie helemaal geen symbolen meer. http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/?zoom=18lat=52.35277lon=4.89089layers=B000F Hier zou van alles moeten staan: cafés, winkels, pinautomaten, bioscoop. Ik zie een paar symobel, maar ik zie ook de Ceintuurbaan en de Ferdinand Bolstraat die opeens vankleur veranderen. En de naam van dat restaurant ...ayon is ook incompleet. Het lijkt wel alsof er een andere sylesheet is gebruikt. Maarten -- martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ Op 19 jan 2009, om 17:39 heeft Roeland Douma het volgende geschreven: Hey, Over welke symbolen heb je het en heb je een linkje naar waar ze wel zouden moeten staan maar nu niet staan? --Roeland On Monday 19 January 2009 17:14:42 Martijn van Exel wrote: Hoi, Klopt het dat er geen symbolen meer verschijnen op de Nederlandse slippy map? Wie kan daar wat aan doen? -- martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http:// www.schaaltreinen.nl/ ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] symbolen op nl-tileserver
Ik gebruik de officiele osm stylesheet (dus dezelfde als op openstreetmap.org) en daar zijn volgens mij supermarkten ook niet te zien... Dus daar kan ik helaas niks aan doen. --Roeland On Tuesday 20 January 2009 05:04:24 Ronald wrote: Vroeger zag ik ook supermarkten, die zijn nog steeds weg. Ronald Roeland Douma wrote: Zoom 18 is geupdate. En alles ziet er weer goed uit met de nodige symbolen. We hebben nu weer de nieuwste stylesheet (op de speedlayer). --Roeland On Monday 19 January 2009 18:54:44 Roeland Douma wrote: Goed geraden. Zo wordt alles opnieuw gerenderd. --Roeland On Monday 19 January 2009 18:49:17 Maarten Deen wrote: Martijn van Exel wrote: Ik zie helemaal geen symbolen meer. http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/?zoom=18lat=52.35277lon=4.89089layers=B000F Hier zou van alles moeten staan: cafés, winkels, pinautomaten, bioscoop. Ik zie een paar symobel, maar ik zie ook de Ceintuurbaan en de Ferdinand Bolstraat die opeens vankleur veranderen. En de naam van dat restaurant ...ayon is ook incompleet. Het lijkt wel alsof er een andere sylesheet is gebruikt. Maarten -- martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ Op 19 jan 2009, om 17:39 heeft Roeland Douma het volgende geschreven: Hey, Over welke symbolen heb je het en heb je een linkje naar waar ze wel zouden moeten staan maar nu niet staan? --Roeland On Monday 19 January 2009 17:14:42 Martijn van Exel wrote: Hoi, Klopt het dat er geen symbolen meer verschijnen op de Nederlandse slippy map? Wie kan daar wat aan doen? -- martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http:// www.schaaltreinen.nl/ ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] symbolen op nl-tileserver
Roeland Douma wrote: Ik gebruik de officiele osm stylesheet (dus dezelfde als op openstreetmap.org) en daar zijn volgens mij supermarkten ook niet te zien... Dus daar kan ik helaas niks aan doen. Kun je dat dan direct weer terug veranderen? Vooral die vreselijk lelijke parkeer icoontjes. Stefan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] NotSoSpeedyLayer
Volgens mij is de speed layer een beetje ingeslapen... ik heb gisteren een nieuw stuk industrieterein in Ede langs de A12 toegevoegd, maar ik zie nog steeds niks op de kaart. Weet iemand wat er aan de hand is? Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.10 ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory
Darrin Smith bel...@... writes: On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:29:08 -0800 (PST) bluemm1975-...@... wrote: Early on in my OSM career, I changed a freeway that was from a GPS but the track wasn't accurate compared to nearby tracks/traces. So I deleted it and traced from Yahoo, with lots of nodes along bends to make them smooth. I found it easier to delete the old way than moving a stack of nodes in Potlatch, especially since it was a dual carriageway. BTW, you can align Yahoo imagery in Potlatch, as long as you have a few good points to align with (like an accurate GPS track of a curvy road). Now I begin to understand the complaints of Ross last year in July with respect to people doing tracing of roads. Given when I put a GPS tracked way in one of the points for doing so is to remove the dependence on yahoo for that way, and your previous post and Ross's reply suggest the only clean way to do that is to completely remove the old way, anyone who adds any road from yahoo is just making more work for GPS mappers. If this is the accepted correct practice then I think I might be jumping to Ross's side of the fence and frowning upon yahoo tracings of roads. This quote from his original email sums it up how I'd feel about it: So my suggestion is instead of tracing roads, trace things that can not be easily surveyed. eg railway lines, rivers, powerlines. Of course that goes against the idea of getting a core amount of data in there to get people using things :/ I guess it just means those who want to make GPS tracks have to do even more work than they already do travelling around getting the tracks and collecting data. The price of quality I guess. Hi Darren, I don't see the point of remove the dependence on yahoo, either we are allowed to use it or we are not. Maybe it's a data purity thing, but then I must be only half a zealot :P Don't base any decisions or form principles on my understanding, it's just an interpretation. Maybe we should ask on the Legal mailing list, as to what happens if a Yahoo traced way is altered by using a GPS track. Another interesting issue is can we drop the source=yahoo is we delete the way, then create another way by using a GPS track, but join to all the existing nodes from cross streets etc. Those nodes came from Yahoo originally... Frowning on Yahoo tracing isn't going to do much, since mappers are going to continue either way. BTW, I don't understand your last sentence, why do they need to do more work? I imagine all Yahoo! traced data needs to be verified anyway, and to ideally all GPS stuff should be confirmed by another person (QA and all). Cheers, BlueMM ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory
Luke Woolley lswool...@... writes: It seems to me that the published edition copyright only protects the layout of the actual work, for example if someone scanned a published edition of some kind from say 1976 then re-published it commercially, that would be a no-no. But since this is only deriving the data from it and publishing the data in a different format, it seems fine. If we can all agree that it is indeed safe to do this, then it would a big step forward in terms of source data for OSM. Since anything which was published before January 1, 1984 can supposedly be used, I have a 1984 Melways, edition 15 which could be scanned and hosted for use by Melbourne mappers which was published in September 1983. It could also be taken one step further and be included as a background layer in Potlatch, like the old maps of the UK are at the moment. On 18/01/2009, at 10:16 PM, Cameron osm-mailing-lists at justcameron.com wrote: My suggestion would be to seek some advice from someone who knows a bit more about copyright in Australia before copying something. The staff at libraries are usually trained to have some knowledge of it. I don't really know what a published edition is.Google brought this up - http://www.unimelb.edu.au/copyright/information/fastfind/publisheded.html~Cameron 2009/1/18 Liz ed...@billiau.net On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, Liz wrote: Do maps fall under published editions or artistic works? Cos that will make a 25 year difference... No, I'm not a lawyer (phew) we are certainly taking the view that a map is a collection of facts and certainly not an artistic work (although Steve did mention on legal-talk about one mapper's work of a Pommie town that should have been considered an artistic work) I've just scanned a 1979 Gregory's of Wollongong. Do I put it on my server? I once had a 1980 Adelaide directory but binned it years ago as it got me more lost than was helpful. There should be directories which are old enough in secondhand book shops. I've been using http://www.nla.gov.au/copiesdirect/help/copyrightmap.html as the basis for map copyright issues. It's from the National Library of Australia Basically says: * every map before 1955 is copyright free. * 1955 and later * If Government created, 50 years after end of year of publication - If dated 1960, it is free on 1 Jan 2011. * Non-Government, 70 years after end of year of publication - If dated 1960, it is free on 1 Jan 2031. Therefore, Melways 1st edition 1966, isn't free till 2037 BTW, some of the MMBW index maps have dates like 1977 hand written on them, which means they aren't free till 2028!! The highest zoom maps I have seen are very old, and are free of copyright (there might be 1955+ in there). Even worse, if it isn't dated, it probably unpublished and the NLA site mentions it might have perpetual copyright!!! Also, Liz mentioned names distances might not be copyright. I believe this to be incorrect, as Australia (like Europe) seems to have Database copyright. This was solidified in the Sensis vs Someone? about the copyright of the Yellowpages. IIRK, this judgement confirmed database copyright, and some companies had to change their business models!!! I understand this is one of the main reasons that the UK guys created OSM. It probably wouldn't of been born in the US, since they don't have any database copyright. PS. Yahoo! Mail is crap when emailing to this mailing list, lines don't get wrapped threading is broken (it starts a new thread for replies :-( ). Now using through the Gmane.org system (http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.region.au), much better so far (even forces bottom-posting)... Cheers, BlueMM ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-de] Rekordhalter im Relationsfragmentieren
Hi! Bernd Wurst schrieb: Am Sonntag, 18. Januar 2009 schrieb Ekkehart: Ja. Die Markierungen sind soweit eindeutig, daß sich die Wanderwege mit gleicher Markierung nie örtlich berühren. Erst wenn man Fragemente davon ohne Benennung des Weges in der OSM zusammenschmeißt, ist der Unterschied nicht mehr erkennbar. Keiner redet davon, Zeug zusammen zu schmeißen das geografisch in verschiedenen Gebieten liegt. Kannst du mir eigentlich grade nicht folgen oder willst du nicht? Man fügt Realtionen dann zusammen wenn man erkennt (aufgrund eindeutiger Daten oder besser aufgrund der eigenen Ortskenntnis), dass die zusammen gehören. Mit zusammenschmeißen war nicht gemeint logisch mit einer Relation verknüpfen, sondern ohne aussagekräftige Kennzeichnung in denselben Datenbestand stellen. Momentan schimpfst du lediglich über die Situation. Hättest du am liebsten dass nur zwei Routen in den Daten drin sind damit du weniger rendern musst? Wenn Du mich so fragst: Ich hätte es am liebsten, wenn jede Relation wenigstens einen aussagefähigen Namen hätte, so daß auch irgendjemand anders außer dem Ersteller ohne Rumsuchen und Rumraten was das jetzt ist damit weiterarbeiten kann. Richtig Schimpfen tu ich lediglich über absolut nutzlose Trivialeinträge oder absolut irreführende Bezeichnungen (siehe erste Mail) wie: - eine Wanderweg von 7 Metern Länge (Rel. 5547) - eine Route, die nur den Namen A3 trägt. Woran denkst Du wenn Du eine Route A3 im JOSM siehst? (Rel. 66624) Ich finde deine Argumentation nach wie vor nicht schlüssig. Es muss erlaubt sein, etwas halbfertiges (oder viertel- bzw. hundertstelfertiges) einzutragen sonst funktioniert unser kollabiorativer Ansatz nicht. Erlaubt ist alles in der OSM. Aber nicht alles funktioniert. Komisch, mir geht es auch um die Kollaboration. Darunter verstehe ich grade eben, daß verschiedene Leute zusammenarbeiten _können_. Und das würde erfordern, daß man Bedeutung und Zustand von anderer Leute Werk erkennen und berücksichtigen kann. Vorzugsweise mit vernünftigem Aufwand. Wenn außer mir keiner was mit meinen Einträgen anfangen kann und ich alles ignorieren muß, was ich nicht selber eingetragen habe, das ist keine Kollaboration. Ursprünglich bin ich von der Annahme ausgegangen, daß alle Mapper ein Interesse daran hätten, daß ihre Daten auch verwendet und gerendert werden und daß keiner gern für die Tonne arbeitet. Ich habe durchaus auch erst mal einige getroffen, die sich enorm gefreut haben ihre Arbeit zum ersten mal irgendwo visualisiert zu sehen. Und das _eine_ dafür notwendige Tag war schnell nachgetragen. Jetzt habe ich gelernt, daß es halt nicht alle interessiert. Kann ich dann auch nicht ändern. Von daher können wir diesen Thread auch beenden. bye Nop ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Ehrenfriedhof - Gedänkstätte
Moin ! ich habe flächenmäßig eine Gedenkstätte für die Weltkriege aufgemessen. Da dort vermutlich die sterblichen Überreste nicht liegen ist vermutlich die Nutzungsart=Friedhof (so makarber das klingt) nicht richtig. Wie würdet Ihr die Fläche taggen ?? Der Gedenkstein selber ist schon als Punktsymbol attributiert ! Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Bugs schließen
Ulf Lamping wrote: BTW: Was machen wir mit unklaren Einträgen, bei denen keiner drauf reagiert? Ich hab da z.B. http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/1559 bei dem ich auf meine Frage seit einem Monat keine Rückmeldung bekomme. Was er meint, ist mir schon klar. Zum Beispiel bei meinem JOSM (Version 1206): highway=$X; foot=designated wird als Fußweg angezeigt highway=$X; foot=designated; bicycle=designated wird als Fußweg angezeigt highway=$X; bicycle=designated wird als $X angezeigt Auch eine Ergänzung mit motorcar=designated ändert daran übrigens nichts. Das ist zumindest inkonsequent, und in der Praxis relevant wird es, wenn für $X path oder cycleway gewählt wird. Meines Erachtens sollte der Highway-Tag Vorrang haben. Übrigens auch beim Rendern in Mapnik Co. Gruß, Hatto ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Worldfile vom 7.1.09 - Befreit die Seen vom Wald!
2009/1/19 Holger Issle hol...@issle.de: Erkläre das mal Garmin, daß die Überlagerungen perfekt beherrschen müssen. Das ist nicht mehr _grenz_debil. Insofern passt der Name fast perfekt. Komisch, eigentlich sende ich den vollen Namen mit. Naja. Ich glaube nicht, daß wir hier Garmin etwas erklären müssen - noch viel weniger müssen wir unser mapping auf deren Schwächen anpassen und debile Daten erzeugen, unter denen alle anderen (zumeist offenen und anpassbaren) Anwendungen leiden. Laut Google gibt es bereits patches in mkgmap, die sich um multipolygone kümmern. Abwarten ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wien...
Gary68 schrieb: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Freier-Strassenplan-von-Wien-ist-komplett--/meldung/121900 Jo, und scrollt man ein wenig über die Stadtgrenzen hinweg wird es wieder merklich dünner. Aber Hauptsache, man kann 'ne schöne Erfolgsmeldung produzieren. Wäre die Strassendichte proportional zur Einwohnerdichte, dann hätten wir das Stadt/Land Problem vielleicht nicht. ;-) Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Vereinsheim Taggen
Moin ! wie würdet Ihr ein Vereinsheim attributieren ?? Ich habe ein Ruderverein und dessen VHeim. In den Maps habe ich bis dato nur die Regatterstrecke gefunden. Das macht ja kein Sinn ! Ideen ?? Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wien...
Gary68 schrieb: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Freier-Strassenplan-von-Wien-ist-ko mplett--/meldung/121900 Jo, und scrollt man ein wenig über die Stadtgrenzen hinweg wird es wieder merklich dünner. Aber Hauptsache, man kann 'ne schöne Erfolgsmeldung produzieren. Wäre die Strassendichte proportional zur Einwohnerdichte, dann hätten wir das Stadt/Land Problem vielleicht nicht. ;-) Allerdings arbeiten wir in Österreich gerade auch an einem Riesenimport und außerhalb der Stadtgrenzen wird es nicht mehr so dünn sein. Auf welche Seite hast Du hinausgescrollt? Richtung Nord und Süd sieht es schon gut aus. Nordwest habe ich erst gestern importiert. Im Westen wird es nie viel mehr werden, weil da mit dem Wienerwald der Alpenrücken beginnt und tatsächlich wenig da ist. Wegen relativer Ereignislosigkeit sogar wenige Wanderwege. Wir abreiten jedenfalls fieberhaft am vollständigen Österreich. lg aus Wien, Wolfgang ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Bugs schließen
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: Ulf Lamping wrote: BTW: Was machen wir mit unklaren Einträgen, bei denen keiner drauf reagiert? Hab eben mal geschaut, leider kann man wohl die Liste der Zustaende nicht erweitern (haette sonst einen unclear oder so eingefuegt) - also im zweifel vielleicht nach Ablauf der Rueckfragefrist einfach schliessen und den Titel nach UNCLEAR: ... aendern, falls irgendjemand die spaeter nochmal finden will? Ich mach die nach ca. 1 Woche mit No answer. Closing und WORKSFORME zu. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wien...
Wolfgang W. Wasserburger schrieb: Allerdings arbeiten wir in Österreich gerade auch an einem Riesenimport und außerhalb der Stadtgrenzen wird es nicht mehr so dünn sein. Auf welche Seite hast Du hinausgescrollt? Nach Osten. Aber Du hast Recht, so schlecht sieht es gar nicht aus. Mit dem Import bin ich nicht auf dem neuesten Stand. Wie macht Ihr denn den Import? So wie bei uns über WMS-Layer oder direkt ? Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wien...
Chris-Hein Lunkhusen: Wolfgang W. Wasserburger schrieb: Allerdings arbeiten wir in Österreich gerade auch an einem Riesenimport und außerhalb der Stadtgrenzen wird es nicht mehr so dünn sein. Auf welche Seite hast Du hinausgescrollt? Nach Osten. Aber Du hast Recht, so schlecht sieht es gar nicht aus. Mit dem Import bin ich nicht auf dem neuesten Stand. Wie macht Ihr denn den Import? So wie bei uns über WMS-Layer oder direkt ? Wir machen bezirksweise (~ 100 in Ö) Bulk-Importe mit Namespace und lokale Mapper führen das zusammen und werfen tendentiell eher das Importierte oder halt das schlechtere OSM-Gegensück weg oder kombinieren das auch. Daher gibt es jetzt ländliche Regionen, die schon super sind, z.B. nördlich von Wien an der tschechischen Grenze, wo vor ein paar Wochen wirklich gähnende Leere war. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.71lon=16.355zoom=11layers=B000FTF Sowie links davon hat es da überall ausgesehen; so wie rechts im Bild wird es bald in 75% von Österreich aussehen :-) CU Wolfgang ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] GPS Magellan Triton Reihe
Wow, habe gerade die GPS Reihe entdeckt und bin von den Fakten der Geräte mit mehr Ausstattung (ab 1500) erstmal umgehauen. Vor allem scheinen die Geräte einiges nützliches für OSM zu bieten. [1][2] - Diktiergerät, schön um mit dem Gerät Notizen über die Situation fürs spätere mappen zu machen. - Möglichkeit Rasterkarten zu laden, die man auch selbst erstellen kann. D.h. OSM auf den Geräten anzeigen ist kein Problem (können auch kleinere Nummer)[3][4] - Anschluss für externe Antenne - Leider erst bei der 2000 Variante. Integrierte Kamera, schön um mal Schilder fürs mappen nachher zu knipsen. Es soll wohl auch möglich sein Vektorkarten dafür zu erzeugen, siehe[5]. Und nun die Frage, ob jemand hier schon so ein Ding sein eigen nennen kann und mal zu dem Gerät Stellung nehmen kann. Zum einen wie das Gerät sich generell so verhält und natürlich über die Nutzbarkeit mit OSM. Vielen Dank schon mal. Grüße, Fabian [1] http://www.magellangps.com/products/product.asp?segID=425 [2] http://www.odoo.tv/Magellan-Triton-500.410.0.html [3] http://www.odoo.tv/Wissen-Triton-Rasterkarten.416.0.html [4] http://www.magellanboard.de/viewtopic.php?t=2154sid=07cc671dd0db2a9c745ec367b1264599 [5] http://www.magellanboard.de/viewtopic.php?t=1448sid=07cc671dd0db2a9c745ec367b1264599 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Ehrenfriedhof - Gedänkstätte
Am Montag, 19. Januar 2009DE 09:34:36DE schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Moin ! Moin Jan, ich habe flächenmäßig eine Gedenkstätte für die Weltkriege aufgemessen. Da dort vermutlich die sterblichen Überreste nicht liegen ist vermutlich die Nutzungsart=Friedhof (so makarber das klingt) nicht richtig. Wie würdet Ihr die Fläche taggen ?? In Wöhrden gibt es einen Park auf dem auch solche Denkmale stehen. http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=54.16570904276337lon=8.996472240544344zoom=17layers=BF000F Da ist aber eine gemischte Nutzung (Park, Veranstaltungsort für Diverses) gegeben. Wenn bei dir ausschließlich das ganze Areal als Gedenkstätte gilt, würde ich die Fläche als Gedenkstätte/Kriegsdenkmal taggen. Der Gedenkstein selber ist schon als Punktsymbol attributiert ! Die steinernen Denkmale, Schrifttafeln etc. nochmal zusätzlich als POI finde ich korrekt. Alternativ eine kleine Relation bauen und diese entsprechend taggen. Dann hättest Du die Möglichkeit die Details (Park, steinernes Denkmal, Fußwege, etc.) spezifischer und vor allem eindeutiger zu taggen. Fände ich jedenfalls am besten und aussagekräftiger, wenn die Anlage größeren Umfang hat. Ist auch ein bischen abhängig von der Größe der Anlage, wie man das sinnvoll taggen könnte/sollte. Eventuell solltest Du das vorläufig taggen und mal den Link hier einstellen. Dann kann man sich das mal ansehen und besser drüber diskutieren. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen René Falk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Vereinsheim Taggen
Am Montag, 19. Januar 2009DE 10:28:38DE schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Moin ! wie würdet Ihr ein Vereinsheim attributieren ?? Ich habe ein Ruderverein und dessen VHeim. In den Maps habe ich bis dato nur die Regatterstrecke gefunden. Das macht ja kein Sinn ! Ideen ?? Das Sportheim in Wöhrden: http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=54.1633661185084lon=9.00084960470854zoom=17layers=BF000F Wenn es denn mal einen speziellen Tag dafür gibt, muss man es halt ändern. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen René Falk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wien...
Chris-Hein Lunkhusen: Wolfgang W. Wasserburger schrieb: es jetzt ländliche Regionen, die schon super sind, z.B. nördlich von Wien an der tschechischen Grenze, wo vor ein paar Wochen wirklich gähnende Leere war. Apropos Tschechien, was ist denn hier passiert: ? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.248lon=13.091zoom=11 da kenne ich leider keine Mapper ;-) CU W ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Bugs schließen
Ich mach die nach ca. 1 Woche mit No answer. Closing und WORKSFORME zu. Ciao ja, z.B. hier: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/1971 auch wenn das nicht wirklich immer sinnvoll ist. Die Antwort auf die Frage stand ja schon im Ticket: latest sowohl als auch. immer. Der Bug ist aber mittlerweile auch behoben, der Slippy-Map-layer liegt default unten. Gruss Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Bugs schließen
BTW: Was machen wir mit unklaren Einträgen, bei denen keiner drauf reagiert? (Ich meine jetzt nicht die Sachen die seit Jahren allen Leuten klar sind man müßte das mal fixen sondern wo einfach nicht klar ist wo das Problem liegt) Ich hab da z.B. http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/1559 bei dem ich auf meine Frage seit einem Monat keine Rückmeldung bekomme. Bei anderen Listen kenne ich es so, daß RQ's bei sowas nach einem Monat ohne Rückantwort geschlossen werden. Wenn man da nichts macht hat man sonst einen Rattenschwanz an unklaren Sachen die nur die Liste zumüllen ohne irgendjemandem was zu bringen. Wenn das Problem weiterhin existiert, kann man das Ding ja wieder aufmachen oder einfach einen neuen RQ kreieren ... Das Problem ist, dass der JOSM-Trac keine E-Mail-Benachrichtigungen rausschickt. Ich bin selbst schon darauf reingefallen und davon ausgegangen, dass ich bei einem Kommentar in meinem Bug-Report benachrichtigt werde. Nach einigen Wochen habe ich festgestellt, dass jemand eine Frage gestellt hat. Grüße, Marc -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Bugs schließen
Das Problem ist, dass der JOSM-Trac keine E-Mail-Benachrichtigungen rausschickt. Ich bin selbst schon darauf reingefallen und davon ausgegangen, dass ich bei einem Kommentar in meinem Bug-Report benachrichtigt werde. Nach einigen Wochen habe ich festgestellt, dass jemand eine Frage gestellt hat. Grüße, Marc ja, man muss seine Eintraege schon sehr gut hueten, um da immer auf dem Laufenden zu bleiben, vor allem, wenn man viele hat... Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wien...
Bernd Wurst schrieb: Apropos Tschechien, was ist denn hier passiert: ? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.248lon=13.091zoom=11 Naiverweise könnte man annehmen, dass das was da als miniltärisches Sperrgebiet getaggt ist, einfach ein militärisches Sperrgebiet ist. Google hat in der selben Ecke auch nur brachliegende Landschaft, das stützt diese Sichtweise. ;-) Scheint dieses Teil zu sein: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truppen%C3%BCbungsplatz_Hradi%C5%A1t%C4%9B Also alles in Butter, wobei ich bei uns schon detaillierter gemappte TÜP gesehen habe. ;-) Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wien...
2009/1/19 Bernd Wurst be...@bwurst.org Hallo. Am Montag, 19. Januar 2009 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen: Apropos Tschechien, was ist denn hier passiert: ? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.248lon=13.091zoom=11 Naiverweise könnte man annehmen, dass das was da als miniltärisches Sperrgebiet getaggt ist, einfach ein militärisches Sperrgebiet ist. Google hat in der selben Ecke auch nur brachliegende Landschaft, das stützt diese Sichtweise. ;-) Gruß, Bernd ja, aber falls da noch Daten drunterliegen waere es nicht schlecht, die auch zu sehen (also Sperrgebiet unter allem rendern, evtl. mit Umriss ueber dem Rest, oder als Schraffur rendern, nicht ausgefuellt). Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Worldfile vom 7.1.09 - Befreit die Seen vom Wald!
Am 19. Januar 2009 10:01 schrieb Martin Simon grenzde...@gmail.com: 2009/1/19 Holger Issle hol...@issle.de: Erkläre das mal Garmin, daß die Überlagerungen perfekt beherrschen müssen. Das ist nicht mehr _grenz_debil. Insofern passt der Name fast perfekt. Komisch, eigentlich sende ich den vollen Namen mit. Naja. Ich glaube nicht, daß wir hier Garmin etwas erklären müssen - noch viel weniger müssen wir unser mapping auf deren Schwächen anpassen und debile Daten erzeugen, unter denen alle anderen (zumeist offenen und anpassbaren) Anwendungen leiden. Laut Google gibt es bereits patches in mkgmap, die sich um multipolygone kümmern. Abwarten ja, die Garminkarten (zumindest unsere) haben ja z.B. auch ein Problem bei der Anzeige von Einbahnstrassen oder Plaetzen (weil - so war es zumindest lange Zeit - nur 1 Tag ausgewertet werden kann), aber das heisst fuer uns ja nicht, dass wir nur noch einfach taggen, also nicht mehr als 1 Tag pro Objekt. Ich finde die Antwort an Martin Simon ehrlich gesagt nicht ganz stilsicher, insbesondere, als sein Beitrag durchaus seine Berechtigung hat: wer *so* einfach rendern will, der kann auch keine perfekte Darstellung erwarten (die man ja uebrigens bei dem Gegenvorschlag erst recht auch nicht hat) Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Bugs schließen
Am Montag, den 19.01.2009, 11:56 +0100 schrieb Marc Schütz: Das Problem ist, dass der JOSM-Trac keine E-Mail-Benachrichtigungen rausschickt. Hallo, heißt das auch, das ich wenn ich patches an Bugs dranhänge, die Entwickler davon nicht automatisch informiert werden, so das es bis zum Einpflegen doch länger dauern könnte? Wäre es dann notwendig/sinnvoll eine Mail an die josm-dev Liste zu schicken um auf den Patch hinzuweisen? Grüßle, detlef ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wien...
Wolfgang W. Wasserburger schrieb: es jetzt ländliche Regionen, die schon super sind, z.B. nördlich von Wien an der tschechischen Grenze, wo vor ein paar Wochen wirklich gähnende Leere war. Apropos Tschechien, was ist denn hier passiert: ? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.248lon=13.091zoom=11 Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wien...
Hallo. Am Montag, 19. Januar 2009 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen: Apropos Tschechien, was ist denn hier passiert: ? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.248lon=13.091zoom=11 Naiverweise könnte man annehmen, dass das was da als miniltärisches Sperrgebiet getaggt ist, einfach ein militärisches Sperrgebiet ist. Google hat in der selben Ecke auch nur brachliegende Landschaft, das stützt diese Sichtweise. ;-) Gruß, Bernd -- Sigmentation fault signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Ehrenfriedhof - Gedänkstätte
Am 19. Januar 2009 09:34 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net: Moin ! ich habe flächenmäßig eine Gedenkstätte für die Weltkriege aufgemessen. Da dort vermutlich die sterblichen Überreste nicht liegen ist vermutlich die Nutzungsart=Friedhof (so makarber das klingt) nicht richtig. Wie würdet Ihr die Fläche taggen ?? Der Gedenkstein selber ist schon als Punktsymbol attributiert ! Gruß Jan :-) wie waere es mit Memorial? Ansonsten ist Friedhof je nachdem auch nicht unpassend, weil dort eben doch auch haeufig die Ueberreste beerdigt sind, z.T. auch anonym/unbekannte Soldaten. Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Frage zu Adress Inspector
Hi Frederik, wie oft werden die Daten (insb. die PLZ-Hülle) aktualisiert? Grüße Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Bugs schließen
Hallo, Detlef Reichl wrote: heißt das auch, das ich wenn ich patches an Bugs dranhänge, die Entwickler davon nicht automatisch informiert werden Ja. so das es bis zum Einpflegen doch länger dauern könnte? Die Annahme, dass ein Patch, von dem der Entwickler direkt informiert wird, schneller eingepflegt wird als einer, den der Entwickler bei aktiver Suche im trac findet, ist nicht unbedingt realistisch ;-) Es ist Konvention, [PATCH] ins Subject zu schreiben, wenn man einen Patch anfuegt, dann koennen die Entwickler das schnell finden. Wäre es dann notwendig/sinnvoll eine Mail an die josm-dev Liste zu schicken um auf den Patch hinzuweisen? Wenn es ein Patch ist, den man vielleicht auch noch mit Leuten diskutieren will, dann bestimmt. Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] GPS Magellan Triton Reihe
Fabian -Patzi- Patzke openstreet...@patzi.de writes: [...] Es soll wohl auch möglich sein Vektorkarten dafür zu erzeugen, siehe[5]. Ein Gerät, was OSM-freundlich ist wäre für mich ein echtes Kaufargument. Schlecht sieht das, was im Forum beschrieben ist ja wirklich nicht aus. Sebastian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Abstraktionsgrad, Erfassen von Spuren etc.
Karl Eichwalder schrieb: Hatto von Hatzfeld ha...@salesianer.de writes: Da sollte man sich immer fragen, wer denn diese Information nutzen kann: Kein Radfahrer wird doch je auf einer Karte nachschauen, wann denn ein solcher Bordstein kommt. Und für die Routenplaner genügt es, wenn an den Kreuzungen erfasst ist, wie man in welche Richtung weiterfahren kann. Das denken die verkehrsplaner auch, aber du auf einem radweg bist und erst kurz vor der kreuzung erfährst, bei der nächsten kreuzung links abbiegen, dann ist das meist zu spät. Du wirst nicht mehr vom radweg kommen und links abbiegen können; dann wird dir nur noch indirektes abbiegen möglich sein. Wenn man auf einem benutzungspflichtigen Radweg fährt, hat man sowieso keine legale Chance, auf die Straße zu wechseln und links abzubiegen. Das wird einem vermutlich aber auch durch den Straßenverkehr unangenehm gemacht, denn Radwege sind nicht zum Spaß da, dazu sind sie viel zu teuer. Insofern sehe ich nicht, was dagegen spricht, den Linksabbiegevorgang einfach durch das Überqueren zweier Fußgängerfurten rechtsaußen an der Kreuzung zu vollziehen - insbesondere, weil Ampeln nicht unwahrscheinlich sein dürften. Davon unberührt bleibt natürlich die eher generelle Maßgabe von Radfahrern für Radfahrer, die Radwege aus Gefährdungsgründen eher zu meiden. Wer sich für diesen Weg entscheidet, wird nie Probleme haben, vom Radweg auf die Fahrbahn zu wechseln, weil er keinen Radweg nutzt. Der router muss dich mindestens 250m vor der kreuzung auf die straße schicken, damit du dich sicher zum linksabbiegen einordnen kannst. Sowas kann man einem Radrouter ja einprogrammieren. Bei Autoroutern klappt das ja auch, sogar noch deutlich frühzeitiger: Auf Autobahnen üblicherweise sogar schon drei Kilometer im Voraus. Woher die Router bloß so weit vorausgucken können? ... Wenn das nicht geht, weil diese angaben in der datenbank fehlen und du schon deutlich früher auf die fahrbahn wechselst, riskierst du diskussion mit der polizei. Die müsste ja aber erstmal da sein. Es kann auch sein, dass du schon früher, zwischen den kreuzungen, auf die linke seite willst; dafür brauchst du entsprechend frühere bordstein-absenkungen. Diese ganzen details müssen also eingetragen werden. Als Radfahrer hat mal zweifelsfrei eine deutlich variantenreichere Wegfindungsmöglichkeit, als der Autofahrer. Ich hielte es allerdings für übertrieben, diesen Detailreichtum ungefiltert nach OSM zu übertragen. Viele Grüße Sven ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bus-Relationen: Hin- und Rückstreck e
Andreas Pothe schrieb: Ich packe momentan die komplette Strecke samt Haltestellen in einer Relation. Von den stop_X halte ich gar nichts, da viel zu mühsam in der Pflege - zumindest hierzulande gibt es bei *jedem* Fahrplanwechsel nämlich irgendwelche Linienänderungen, was eine komplette Neunumerierung zur Folge hätte. Meine Hoffnung ist ja, dass es bald geordnete Relationen geben wird, die dann derartige Krücken wie dieses stop_X überflüssig machen. Wenn ich mich aber recht erinnere, hat Frederik genau das für die API 0.6 angekündigt. Fredi, kannst du dich dazu äußern? Mal ganz dumm gefragt: Wenn in einer Relation sowohl die Wegstrecke als auch dabei angefahrene Haltestellen vereint sind, warum kriegt es dann ein Computerprogramm nicht hin, sowohl die einzelnen Wegstreckenschnipsel anhand ihrer Geo-Koordinaten zu sortieren und geordnet hintereinander zu hängen, als auch die Haltestellen dann anhand der gefundenen Wegstrecke zu sortieren? Ein Bus wird niemals eine Haltestelle überspringen, und dann diese Haltestelle im Rückwärtsgang doch noch anfahren... :) Viele Grüße Sven ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] GPS Magellan Triton Reihe
Hallo. Am Montag, 19. Januar 2009 schrieb Sebastian Niehaus: Ein Gerät, was OSM-freundlich ist wäre für mich ein echtes Kaufargument. Schlecht sieht das, was im Forum beschrieben ist ja wirklich nicht aus. Ich habe zugegebenermaßen nicht alles gelesen was die dort schreiben, aber wenn man (laut erstem Posting in dem Thread) zwei unterschiedliche veraltete Versionen einer speziellen Software braucht weil jede einen Fehler hat, den man für das Verwenden Fremdkarten ausnutzen kann oder muss, dann finde ich das nicht grade OSM-freundlich. Gruß, Bernd -- You know it's going to be a bad day when your twin brother forgets your birthday. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Bugs schließen
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: so das es bis zum Einpflegen doch länger dauern könnte? Die Annahme, dass ein Patch, von dem der Entwickler direkt informiert wird, schneller eingepflegt wird als einer, den der Entwickler bei aktiver Suche im trac findet, ist nicht unbedingt realistisch ;-) Ich mache microsoftsche Patch-Days, wo ich dann alle möglichen Patches einchecke. Allerdings nur die, die ich vorher für gut befunden habe. Also sollte man möglichst Kritikpunkte vor meinem Patchday ausräumen, wenn man will, dass ich etwas einchecke. Kleines Problem dabei ist, dass die Patch-Days nicht zu festen Zeiten stattfinden :-) Es ist Konvention, [PATCH] ins Subject zu schreiben, wenn man einen Patch anfuegt, dann koennen die Entwickler das schnell finden. Das ist auf jeden Fall empfehlenswert. Nicht nur bei JOSM. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] GPS Magellan Triton Reihe
Bernd Wurst schrieb: Hallo. Am Montag, 19. Januar 2009 schrieb Sebastian Niehaus: Ein Gerät, was OSM-freundlich ist wäre für mich ein echtes Kaufargument. Schlecht sieht das, was im Forum beschrieben ist ja wirklich nicht aus. Ich habe zugegebenermaßen nicht alles gelesen was die dort schreiben, aber wenn man (laut erstem Posting in dem Thread) zwei unterschiedliche veraltete Versionen einer speziellen Software braucht weil jede einen Fehler hat, den man für das Verwenden Fremdkarten ausnutzen kann oder muss, dann finde ich das nicht grade OSM-freundlich. Schau dir mal das 2. Video an, gut man braucht auch 3 verschiedene Programme (die Koordinaten bekommt man auch woanders her), aber mir scheint, dass dort keine speziellen Hacks oder sonstiges notwendig sind. Würde jemand die Karten fertig zum Download (so wie Computerteddy) anbieten bräuchte man nur noch die letzte Software, also so wie Garmin. Man hat aber die Möglichkeit auch normale Rasterkarten zu laden, d.h. man müsste sich nicht mehr mit irgendwelchen nicht veröffentlichen Spezifikationen fürs Karten erstellen herumärgern, sondern könnte einfach die Mapnik oder Osmarender oder die Cyclemap-Karten nehmen. Hört sich finde ich schon gut an. Wie toll Rasterkarten auf solchen Displays ausschauen kann ich nicht beurteilen, im Video sah es ganz gut aus. Im Prinzip spekulieren wir aber bis jetzt alle nur, es muss doch unter den tausenden OSM-Mappern (hunderten auf der Mailingliste) jemand mit einem Magellan geben ;-) ? Gruß Jonas ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Bugs schließen
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Ich mach die nach ca. 1 Woche mit No answer. Closing und WORKSFORME zu. ja, z.B. hier: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/1971 auch wenn das nicht wirklich immer sinnvoll ist. Die Antwort auf die Frage stand ja schon im Ticket: latest sowohl als auch. immer. Der Bug ist aber mittlerweile auch behoben, der Slippy-Map-layer liegt default unten. Der Bug wurde von mir vor längerer Zeit behoben. Das Ticket kam viel später. Es gab also die zwei Möglichkeiten, dass es ein weiteres Problem beim Nutzer ist oder das Update nicht durchgeführt wurde. Ohne Antwort auf die entsprechende Frage ist der Eintrag wertlos und wird deshalb nach einiger Wartezeit geschlossen. Aus Sicht des Nutzers sind Nachfragen nicht immer verständlich, aber i.d.R. sind die Antworten für die Fehlersuche unabdingbar. Das ist übrigens auch der Grund, warum die automatischen Bugreports so viel Text enthalten. Man kann sich viele Nachfragen sparen. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] GPS Magellan Triton Reihe
John07 schrieb: Würde jemand die Karten fertig zum Download (so wie Computerteddy) anbieten bräuchte man nur noch die letzte Software, also so wie Garmin. Ja, wenn. Dann wäre ich auch evntl nicht von Magellan auf Garmin umgestiegen. ;-) Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Frage zu Adress Inspector
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:28:27PM +0100, Chris-Hein Lunkhusen wrote: wie oft werden die Daten (insb. die PLZ-Hülle) aktualisiert? Täglich. Der aktuelle Stand wird jeweils angezeigt. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
