[talk-ph] Fwd: mailing list for openstreetmap philippines local chapter/organization
Hi, Any ideas for the name of the openstreetmap philippines organization mailing list? Forwarded conversation Subject: mailing list for openstreetmap philippines local chapter/organization From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:54 PM To: Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz mike, As the OSMF secretary, I would like to request for a mailing-list for the openstreetmap philippines local chapter/organization. The list is inteded for discussions on osm-ph org related topics. While the main osm-ph list is relatively small in comparison to other osm lists, we feel it is necessary to separate discussions related to the org from the main community discussions. Moreover, using the osm list infrastructure, we should be able to safeguard history and transparency among osmph org related topics. We don't have the facility at the moment to setup a separate list server. Please consider. :) -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- From: Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz Date: Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Hi Maning, Sure, I'll set one up. You can have as many as you want! We use the convention talk-ph-subtopic ... I am trying to think of a clear but short/memorisable name. Can you help? talk-ph-chapter talk-ph-localchapter ... ? Mike -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] JOSM question.
hello maning,I have a question on JOSM. What was that command on drawing a building from a straight line by dragging.I had some free time this weekend and was fooling around with JOSM plus the neat tricks youshowed me on the SKILLSHARE.But can't find that command somehow.Also as luck would have it. OSM is down on maintenance. So just doing offline practice.thanks in advance ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] JOSM question.
the triangle icon, or simply X on your keyboard On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 6:23 PM, jc tn jctan...@yahoo.com wrote: hello maning, I have a question on JOSM. What was that command on drawing a building from a straight line by dragging. I had some free time this weekend and was fooling around with JOSM plus the neat tricks you showed me on the SKILLSHARE. But can't find that command somehow. Also as luck would have it. OSM is down on maintenance. So just doing offline practice. thanks in advance ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] JOSM question.
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 6:36 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Also as luck would have it. OSM is down on maintenance. So just doing offline practice. And it's back! Overall Status: Up and running -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: mailing list for openstreetmap philippines local chapter/organization
I was thinking of talk-ph-org so that it will come after talk-ph. I guess Mike's naming convention fits my idea. :-) Now that I think about it, since we *do* plan to eventually become an official chapter, talk-ph-chapter would be better than talk-ph-org. talk-ph-localchapter is a little too long. On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 6:14 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Any ideas for the name of the openstreetmap philippines organization mailing list? Forwarded conversation Subject: mailing list for openstreetmap philippines local chapter/organization From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:54 PM To: Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz mike, As the OSMF secretary, I would like to request for a mailing-list for the openstreetmap philippines local chapter/organization. The list is inteded for discussions on osm-ph org related topics. While the main osm-ph list is relatively small in comparison to other osm lists, we feel it is necessary to separate discussions related to the org from the main community discussions. Moreover, using the osm list infrastructure, we should be able to safeguard history and transparency among osmph org related topics. We don't have the facility at the moment to setup a separate list server. Please consider. :) -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- From: Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz Date: Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Hi Maning, Sure, I'll set one up. You can have as many as you want! We use the convention talk-ph-subtopic ... I am trying to think of a clear but short/memorisable name. Can you help? talk-ph-chapter talk-ph-localchapter ... ? Mike -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: mailing list for openstreetmap philippines local chapter/organization
Not that we dont have the resources to setup our own mailing list, we do actually. I was wondering if in general we should host all OSMPH Inc discussions and information on our own domain like OSMF and OSM US does? Andre ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: mailing list for openstreetmap philippines local chapter/organization
That makes sense actually. All community-related discussion will be on openstreetmap.org while all OSM-PH Org discussions will be on openstreetmap.org.ph. Sounds good to me. What do other people think? On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner an...@enthropia.comwrote: Not that we dont have the resources to setup our own mailing list, we do actually. I was wondering if in general we should host all OSMPH Inc discussions and information on our own domain like OSMF and OSM US does? Andre ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[OSM-talk] correcting/helping inexperienced mappers
Pieren wrote: I don't understand you. If they don't follow and don't cross, then you don't have duplicate nodes anyway... The TIGER import has numerous topological errors, including many highways crossing boundaries when they really don't (due to one or both being in the wrong position). TIGER decided to put a node at each of these crossings, and the import created them as dupes. More recently a bunch of bots have gone through and automatically eliminated these dupes. The TIGER import also created highway-highway dupes at county lines. These should be fixed. As an example, here the township line follows the old border between the provinces of East and West Jersey: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.29lon=-74.67209zoom=15layers=B000FT Roads were built along this boundary, since it formed a border between land ownership and hence was an easy place to put a road. In the 200+ years since, the roads have been widened, shifting the centerlines away from the boundary, or even realigned in places. The TIGER data had the boundary following the curves in Quakerbridge Road where it crosses US 1, with a dupe node at every node on Quakerbridge. Before fixing this, I had to undo the damage the bots had done. And don't get me started on boundaries created by annexing properties one by one...here the edge is almost never the centerline of the road, but the right-of-way line next to the road. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
A short remark although this is the wrong place to discuss the topic: I agree with this. This thread isn't the topic to discuss license issue although I'm happy to answer any concrete questions in a separate thread, at the SotM or via private mail. I'll have to say though that I don't have deep legal knowledge on a lot of the issues involved and I'll happily refer to the License Working Group for those. The question would have to be on my opinions. But to reiterate: I'd love to have a PD-like license or as Richard has said even better: I'd like anything that is non-share-alike. And I don't agree with Oliver conclusion on what would happen (corporate take over). Cheers, Lars ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!
One possibility is to just use highway=link and then let the renderes sort out the rest. A link is after all just a link no matter what it connects, so there's really no reason for a *_link except when tagging for the renderer, which we shouldn't do. Konrad 2010/6/25 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: highway=* link=yes actually I like this, but it's not the first time it is proposed here, and I think you can hardly change tags used as often and for so long time as this. It would probably end up in a similar mess than path and footway. A number of the 'base' decisions would now make a lot more sense done a different way, but at the time there were very good reasons for choices then. With the amount of additional data now being handled, adding even more tags for some of the old basics while possible would just cause agro everywhere. Exactly as we now have in things like path. I don't know where the discussion on virtual tags got to? These are tags built from finer detail when using the data from a lower resolution. In this case of highway=x, link=yes would return the single tag highway=x_link and applications that do not need to bother with any other tags can carry on working happily with just the highway tag ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!
On 3 July 2010 19:50, Konrad Skeri kon...@skeri.com wrote: One possibility is to just use highway=link and then let the renderes sort out the rest. A link is after all just a link no matter what it It may not be possible for preprocessing or renderers to figure it out. connects, so there's really no reason for a *_link except when tagging for the renderer, which we shouldn't do. As a few people pointed out, we always tag some things for the renderer, like highway=primary/secondary/etc... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!
On 3 July 2010 11:18, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: As a few people pointed out, we always tag some things for the renderer, like highway=primary/secondary/etc... I disagree that this is tagging for the renderer. Rather, it is rendering for the tags. The highway tag assigns a role (importance, build quality, or whatever is considered good in the particular region) and the renderer presents them differently. Dermot -- -- Iren sind menschlich ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!
On 3 July 2010 20:35, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 July 2010 11:18, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: As a few people pointed out, we always tag some things for the renderer, like highway=primary/secondary/etc... I disagree that this is tagging for the renderer. Rather, it is rendering for the tags. The highway tag assigns a role (importance, build quality, or whatever is considered good in the particular region) and the renderer presents them differently. Personally I don't see a point for anything but motorway_link, but what is the difference between what you said and what others are suggesting for other *_link roads? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
But to reiterate: I'd love to have a PD-like license or as Richard has said even better: I'd like anything that is non-share-alike. And I don't agree with Oliver conclusion on what would happen (corporate take over). Interesting remark: the one says something like I want to have a Volkswagen Golf. And the other says I am happy as soon as I get vehicle with four tires. A non-share-alike license can also be commercial license that isn't free... It would be interesting what the higher goal is when statements are issued that a PD-license is preferred. Who is intended to benefit from this type of license? This would definitely be topic that belongs to this threat if a candidate sees a certain group discriminated because of a wrong type of license. In essence I would like to understand who is intended to benefit from a PD-license, mappers, consumers, developers, companies, data donors? I would also like to see a statement if in the candidates' view that a shift to a PD-license would follow the Pareto principle that no group is disadvantaged while other groups are put at advantage. Regards, Oliver -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Candidacy-AGM-Foundation-2010-Girona-tp522p5250750.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
On 3 July 2010 20:39, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote: license. In essence I would like to understand who is intended to benefit from a PD-license, mappers, consumers, developers, companies, data donors? I Some data is being released in Australia from governments under cc-by licenses, and they would possibly benefit from OSM having a cc-by compatible license, I'm sure some other donors would be in the same boat. I think Sam has mentioned some Canadian government data is being released without any restrictions and they wouldn't be able to accept any data back unless there was no restrictions, so in this case a PD license would benefit donors. I think most declarations by end users are more moral than anything, in that most end users wouldn't stand to gain anything tangible directly regardless of what the license is. I doubt most consumers or developers would gain anything directly, usually they benefit from services but is it OSM's place to demand how the data should be used? NGOs might benefit from a more liberal license, simply because they may be able to build up their own from different sources, although those sources then might claim copyright due to being a derivative product. In my mind, the main beneficiary would be companies selling products or services and gaining a competitive advantage over their competition by not being required to share any changes they make. This in turn might be detrimental for consumers and developers because they may want to use the most consistent map source but not necessarily the best license or price for their users and so on. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!
On 3 July 2010 11:37, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Personally I don't see a point for anything but motorway_link, but what is the difference between what you said and what others are suggesting for other *_link roads? Firstly, I haven't suggested anything for *_link roads, I've simply disagreed with your assertion that our use of the highway tagging represents tagging for the renderer. On balance I tend to prefer links that know what type of road they belong to. As noted, this is indispensable for motorways, because: * Many (most?) countries support the concept of motorway regulations and we need to mark the point from which they apply * We want our navigation apps to be able to give instructions about entering the motorway And it so happens that having that tag also does the right thing for renderers too. I think the concept works well for other road classes too - a trunk link is: * one that leads inescapably to a trunk road -or- * One that diverges from a trunk road and can only be reached by the trunk road And so on for other road classes. I'm concerned here more with access ramps - roundabout avoidance lanes and suchlike probably could, in many cases, be sufficiently catered for by a generic highway=link tag. This could be used by mappers who feel there's no obvious ownership of the link by one road or the other and renderers could be permitted to colour it according to whichever of the above-argued logics proves most compelling. But sneaky wiki changes to subvert established tagging practices one newbie at a time just isn't big or clever - so don't do that. Dermot -- -- Iren sind menschlich ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!
On 3 July 2010 21:14, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: Firstly, I haven't suggested anything for *_link roads, I've simply disagreed with your assertion that our use of the highway tagging represents tagging for the renderer. On balance I tend to prefer links that know what type of road they belong to. As noted, this is indispensable for motorways, because: I fail to see how you have disagreed, you are twisting logic to suit yourself, on one hand it's ok to arbitrarily tag various highway=* tags, but on the other hand it's not ok to arbitrarily tag highway=*_link... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!
On Sat, 2010-07-03 at 20:37 +1000, John Smith wrote: On 3 July 2010 20:35, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 July 2010 11:18, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: As a few people pointed out, we always tag some things for the renderer, like highway=primary/secondary/etc... I disagree that this is tagging for the renderer. Rather, it is rendering for the tags. The highway tag assigns a role (importance, build quality, or whatever is considered good in the particular region) and the renderer presents them differently. Personally I don't see a point for anything but motorway_link, but what is the difference between what you said and what others are suggesting for other *_link roads? I think any road can have a link road (trunk, primary, etc), especially any grade-separated crossings, which dont necessarily have to be motorway. For large intersections with separate slip-lanes, I often mark the slip lanes as *_link, which also allows you to tag pedestrian crossings across the link. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM is back after maintenance
Talk, OpenStreetMap is now back after the planned maintenance. Happy mapping. / Grant Part of OpenStreetMap sysadmin team. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming OSM Server Maintenance
Is it back now? I was able to edit a few minutes ago. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 5:10 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like this just started. Have to remember to pick up some anti-anxiety meds on the way home from work tonight. Must... edit... map! On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 1:19 AM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 26 June 2010 07:12, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Having just bought a new hard-drive, I found 400gb almost unavailable, most disks these days seem to start at 1tb and go up. These are 'Server' SCSI (Serial Attached SCSI) disks. They are still available. The highest available size is 600GB. We are going for the 450GB disks to match our current disks in the storage array. / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!
On 3 July 2010 21:30, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: I think any road can have a link road (trunk, primary, etc), especially any grade-separated crossings, which dont necessarily have to be motorway. For large intersections with separate slip-lanes, I often mark the slip lanes as *_link, which also allows you to tag pedestrian crossings across the link. You can do all that without needing to tag it as a *_link though, and at this stage I doubt *_link's get treated any differently, although they could be implied to mean lanes=1, oneway=yes kind of thing, but at present don't... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is back after maintenance
On Sat, 3 Jul 2010, Grant Slater wrote: Talk, OpenStreetMap is now back after the planned maintenance. Happy mapping. / Grant Part of OpenStreetMap sysadmin team. thanks guys we won't have to chat on irc any more now (talk-au) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming OSM Server Maintenance
On 3 July 2010 12:32, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Is it back now? I was able to edit a few minutes ago. Yes we are back. There are a few minor issues we are working on resolving. Replication diffs are not yet working. This effects things like tile.openstreetmap.org and some 3rd party services from updating. Regards Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: I made a demonstration of how the yournavigation.org website can be embedded inside osm.org. Check it out: http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?lat=52.32796lon=5.62046zoom=15layers=B000FTFT Although I have managed to get some routes, the interface is far from intuitive. A hint at the bottom of the page in what mode you are would be helpful. And it is giving me strange routes all over. - my house-work route, when calculated with a bicycle, comes back with a 36.3 km route in fasted mode and a 28.3 km route in shortesd mode. 8 km difference is not something you'll be faster with on a bike. In fasted mode I also see strange detours that make the road longer and definitely not faster. Try for instance a route from Burgemeester Janssenring, Panningen, Stogger, Peel en Maas, 5981CL, Limburg, Nederland to Loosteeg, Panningen, Loo, Peel en Maas, 5981CL, Limburg, Nederland by bicycle, fasted method, and try to explain why it takes the detour via Veldwachterstraat. I have checked the OSM data there. AFAIK there is nothing wrong. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is back after maintenance
Le 03/07/2010 13:32, Grant Slater a écrit sur talk : Talk, OpenStreetMap is now back after the planned maintenance. Happy mapping. / Grant Part of OpenStreetMap sysadmin team. OSM est de retour après maintenance. Thanks to you. -- FrFiPovm ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
Some data is being released in Australia from governments under cc-by licenses, and they would possibly benefit from OSM having a cc-by compatible license, I'm sure some other donors would be in the same boat. If it is for the sake of compliance with licenses of data donors then there will always be cases that fit with one license type and don't fit with with other license types. It might also be that the majority of data donors prefer a more restricted license. If this is the main point it would be interesting to see any hard facts that a cc-by license would lead to more data donations. In my mind, the main beneficiary would be companies selling products or services and gaining a competitive advantage over their competition by not being required to share any changes they make. Agreed. However, it would be very interesting to understand if a candidate is in favor of a PD-license because of his business friendly attitude. I would myself consider as having a business friendly attitude but from a an OpenStreetMap perspective I would consider a less restrictive license a risky approach that requires very well balancing the trade-offs. In my discussions I often got the impression that many people just don't like to discuss the license and want to get rid of these discussions by simply favoring a less restricted license. And I think it should be transparent for which purpose a candidate for the board is in favor of a certain license type - and shouldn't be for the reason of laziness. Regards, Oliver -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Candidacy-AGM-Foundation-2010-Girona-tp522p5250938.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
Maarten Deen wrote: On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: I made a demonstration of how the yournavigation.org website can be embedded inside osm.org. Check it out: http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?lat=52.32796lon=5.62046zoom=15layers=B000FTFT Although I have managed to get some routes, the interface is far from intuitive. A hint at the bottom of the page in what mode you are would be helpful. And it is giving me strange routes all over. [snip] I just saw that it doesn't mind going the wrong way on oneway streets either. That is a big issue. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
On 3 July 2010 22:40, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote: If it is for the sake of compliance with licenses of data donors then there will always be cases that fit with one license type and don't fit with with other license types. It might also be that the majority of data donors prefer a more restricted license. If this is the main point it would be interesting to see any hard facts that a cc-by license would lead to more data donations. I'm not aware of any entities that would share more data if OSM used a cc-by compatible license, in fact I've been told some governments agencies are unhappy that they have to share at all, but they definitely would not be happen with anything less than an attribution style license. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!
On 3 July 2010 12:24, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I fail to see how you have disagreed, you are twisting logic to suit yourself, on one hand it's ok to arbitrarily tag various highway=* tags, but on the other hand it's not ok to arbitrarily tag highway=*_link... It's not OK to arbitrarily tag highways. But different parts of the world have established different norms according to which they do so. Dermot -- -- Iren sind menschlich ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!
On 3 July 2010 23:09, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: It's not OK to arbitrarily tag highways. But different parts of the world have established different norms according to which they do so. By norms you mean making arbitrarily decisions on highways, rather than any kind of objective criteria... So this is ok under certain circumstances... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
John, John Smith wrote: I'm not aware of any entities that would share more data if OSM used a cc-by compatible license, in fact I've been told some governments agencies are unhappy that they have to share at all, but they definitely would not be happen with anything less than an attribution style license. 1. Anecdotal evidence helps neither side in this discussion. 2. Imports and government cooperation are not crucial to OSM's success. 3. Imminent death of OSM has been predicted by various parties at various times for any kind of license decision or non-decision. 4. It is my personal opinion that advocates of share-alike licenses are driven less by the desire to create something great, but more by the desire to ringfence, protect, defend what they think is their property against imaginary powers of evil. I am opposed to the idea of property in this context. Anyone who goes outside, sees a lamp post, writes down that he has seen a lamp post, and then goes on to derive intellectual property rights from this action should go away and join the RIAA. But that is my personal opinion and we have many ardent share-alike supporters in OSM whose work and dedication have done a lot to further OSM's success and I, grudgingly, respect their predilection. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
On 3 July 2010 23:16, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: 4. It is my personal opinion that advocates of share-alike licenses are driven less by the desire to create something great, but more by the desire to ringfence, protect, defend what they think is their property against imaginary powers of evil. I am opposed to the idea of property in this context. Anyone who goes outside, sees a lamp post, writes down that he has seen a lamp post, and then goes on to derive intellectual property rights from this action should go away and join the RIAA. But that is my personal opinion and we have many ardent share-alike supporters in OSM whose work and dedication have done a lot to further OSM's success and I, grudgingly, respect their predilection. What you quoted had nothing to do with share-a-like, but was specifically about attribution... As I pointed out in a previous email, the issue of license for most contributors is a moral one and doesn't directly effect contributors one way or another, as long as it fits their sense of morals. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
John, John Smith wrote: What you quoted had nothing to do with share-a-like, but was specifically about attribution... But the underlying idea of property is required for attribution as well; you cannot force people to provide attribution without first claiming that the data is yours and yours alone and only by following your license will people be allowed to use it. As I pointed out in a previous email, the issue of license for most contributors is a moral one and doesn't directly effect contributors one way or another, as long as it fits their sense of morals. Probably right. Sometimes I have the impression that many people do not so much respond to a status but more to a change of that status. Do something under license A and it's ok; do it under B and it's ok; but do it under A then change to B, or B then change to A, is asking for trouble. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
On 3 July 2010 23:16, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: 2. Imports and government cooperation are not crucial to OSM's success. What would make OSM successful in your eyes? I thought one of the goals was to have OSM used more widely? If so government users should be given the same consideration as any other group of potential users regardless if they give data to OSM or not, for them to be able to utilise OSM the license has to be acceptable for them to use it just like any other entity. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
On 3 July 2010 23:27, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: But the underlying idea of property is required for attribution as well; you cannot force people to provide attribution without first claiming that the data is yours and yours alone and only by following your license will people be allowed to use it. That's a very dim view of things imho, what about giving credit simply to acknowledge the work of others, rather than ripping off the efforts of others and claiming it as your own. While the license might spell it out in legal terms, this is common courtesy, plain and simple in my view, and if people were generally nicer to each other we wouldn't have the need for licenses and lawyers and so on in the first place! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
On 3 July 2010 14:27, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: But the underlying idea of property is required for attribution as well; you cannot force people to provide attribution without first claiming that the data is yours and yours alone and only by following your license will people be allowed to use it. I don't think that is right. I would like to see a license which just requires attribution and not much else, not to assert ownership but just to say that we made this, it is cool, and you could join in and help us make it better. Commercial map providers don't need the publicity from attribution as they are selling their product in the first place but I think we do as most people still haven't even heard of OSM and we will always need more contributors. I don't care what people do with the data but I think attribution is helpful just to shine a bit more light on the project. Kevin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: people who [...] go away and join the RIAA. But that is my personal opinion There is this copyright researcher, Mathias Klang[1], working on CC in Sweden who gave some categories of people who argue about copyright. I'm not sure this is complete but this is y interpretation of it: So copyright is broken what do we do? 1. you can't fix it, kill it! (you?) 2. lets use what we can, it to convert the world! (SA , GPL) 3. you should kill people who undermine it (RIAA) But on one hand I've seen you defend the right to claim owner ship of my map data if it's used in a produced work. So maybe I forgot some category, or maybe generalizations are evil. /emj [1] I like his post about Open data license which discuss what you attack so much: http://techrisk.se/?p=1981 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!
On 3 July 2010 14:14, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 July 2010 23:09, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: It's not OK to arbitrarily tag highways. But different parts of the world have established different norms according to which they do so. By norms you mean making arbitrarily decisions on highways, rather than any kind of objective criteria... So this is ok under certain circumstances... By norms I mean norms. But feel free to keep telling me what I mean. Dermot -- -- Iren sind menschlich ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!
On 4 July 2010 01:34, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 July 2010 14:14, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 July 2010 23:09, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: It's not OK to arbitrarily tag highways. But different parts of the world have established different norms according to which they do so. By norms you mean making arbitrarily decisions on highways, rather than any kind of objective criteria... So this is ok under certain circumstances... By norms I mean norms. But feel free to keep telling me what I mean. Well please describe the objective criteria you use to tag highways then... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
Since a fair number of home computers pcs these days have quad cores, 6 or more gigs of memory and 64 bit operating systems, perhaps it might make sense to come up with a Windows stand alone solution and decentralise the server computing requirements. Cheerio John On 2 July 2010 10:43, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 02/07/10 15:30, Nic Roets wrote: As for the load: Most of the time Errol is using half a core right now and it has 16 ! I think when Richard did Amsterdam to Girona, most of the data was swapped out and he had to wait a few seconds for it to be swapped back in. Under full production we may choose to lock the data in RAM. Actually it's 8 cores, but with hyperthreading. So it can't do the full work of 16 cores but can probably do a bit more that 8 cores worth. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!
On 3 July 2010 16:43, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Well please describe the objective criteria you use to tag highways then... Here they are: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Ireland#Highway We do have a dilemma for how to fit 3 grades of local road into tertiary and unclassified, but the criteria are otherwise objective. Dermot -- -- Iren sind menschlich ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!
On 3 July 2010 16:54, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: All that has happened is the arbitrary decisions have been deferred to someone else, in this case some government entity... That doesn't mean highways are classified by objective criteria :) I think you need to buy a dictionary. Dermot -- -- Iren sind menschlich ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
On 4 July 2010 01:46, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Since a fair number of home computers pcs these days have quad cores, 6 or more gigs of memory and 64 bit operating systems, perhaps it might make sense to come up with a Windows stand alone solution and decentralise the server computing requirements. This isn't just a CPU issue, you also have large chunks of data to deal with, people also expect instantaneous results so farming it out isn't likely to help on both accounts. Does anyone know how well this sort of thing could be dealt with by something like hadoop/mapreduce? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
I was only thinking of using the local computer resources for the local user, not going cloud. Cheerio John On 3 July 2010 12:03, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 July 2010 01:46, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Since a fair number of home computers pcs these days have quad cores, 6 or more gigs of memory and 64 bit operating systems, perhaps it might make sense to come up with a Windows stand alone solution and decentralise the server computing requirements. This isn't just a CPU issue, you also have large chunks of data to deal with, people also expect instantaneous results so farming it out isn't likely to help on both accounts. Does anyone know how well this sort of thing could be dealt with by something like hadoop/mapreduce? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!
On 4 July 2010 01:56, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 July 2010 16:54, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: All that has happened is the arbitrary decisions have been deferred to someone else, in this case some government entity... That doesn't mean highways are classified by objective criteria :) I think you need to buy a dictionary. You said it yourself: We do have a dilemma for how to fit 3 grades of local road into tertiary and unclassified Meaning you are trying to make an arbitrary decision, because someone else hasn't made it for you. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
On 4 July 2010 02:07, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: I was only thinking of using the local computer resources for the local user, not going cloud. For that specific problem you still have a large chunk of data to transfer before the local computer resource can do something useful with it, the bigger the distance between way points the more data that needs to be transferred. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] SOTM 2010 July 9th - 11th Last Call
At 10:12 AM 2/07/2010, Mike Collinson wrote: Europeans, why sit at home and watch your team get beaten by the Brazilians? Switch off the TV and immediately follow these steps: Well of course what I meant to say was the Argentines, ... er, no I didn't. Slick marketing was never my strong point. But if you still want to have a both a very enjoyable and intellectually stimulating weekend, here are the useful links for getting to the 4th Annual International OpenStreetMap Conference in Girona. I look forward to meeting some of you there. [1] Book a flight to Barcelona or Girona (low cost operators like RyanAir). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2010/Transporthttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2010/Transport [2] Grab this 30% discount coupon by RENFE http://stateofthemap.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Butlleta_State-of-the-Map.pdfhttp://stateofthemap.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Butlleta_State-of-the-Map.pdf . This discount voucher is valid from wednesday July 7th until tuesday July 13th for RENFE tickets from/to Girona within Spain. [3] Book a hotel or share: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2010/Accommodationhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2010/Accommodation [4] Register for SOTM on-line http://stateofthemap.org/register-now/http://stateofthemap.org/register-now/ Mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
Many users are only interested in the local city and not too worried about having the latest version of the map. People have used three year old printed maps quite happily for years and for foot, public transport and cycling a cached map on the device works fine most of the time. Render with something like Maperitive and you don't need an Internet connection. Run it on a tablet and you have the ideal tourist map that can show you how to get from here to there without having a 3G data plan. I'm not saying its perfect for everyone but it may work for some and thus lower the demand on the servers. Cheerio John On 3 July 2010 12:11, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 July 2010 02:07, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: I was only thinking of using the local computer resources for the local user, not going cloud. For that specific problem you still have a large chunk of data to transfer before the local computer resource can do something useful with it, the bigger the distance between way points the more data that needs to be transferred. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
What would make OSM successful in your eyes? I thought one of the goals was to have OSM used more widely? This is the right type of question but you need to create an even more basic understanding: I haven't seen a common understanding of the definition of OSM's success. Where did you find the goal of a wider use? Wider use by consumers, companies, NGOs? A wider use in the sense of deriving more special interest maps? A wider use in sense of market share compared to TeleAtlas, Navteq and Google? Regards, Oliver -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Candidacy-AGM-Foundation-2010-Girona-tp522p5251898.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!
On 3 July 2010 17:09, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Meaning you are trying to make an arbitrary decision, because someone else hasn't made it for you. Our arbitrary decision is to decide whether a moderately crappy country lane might just be significant enough to call tertiary - at that level we're splitting the kinds of hairs that give talk-de such high traffic. As such, unless it looks like this line of reasoning is going to help us resolve the subject of the thread, I don't suggest we pursue it any further. Dermot -- -- Iren sind menschlich ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed
There is a lot of talk around better algorithms (e.g. contraction hierarchies), distributed routing, stress tests etc. So I'm going to put in into perspective with a few calculations. For a 40km journey, Gosmore takes 50ms*. So let's say Errol costs around $10,000 and you want to pay it off in 2 years by selling routes. Over the two years it can calculate roughly 12 billion 40km routes. That's 0.0001 cents per route. So you can make a profit by selling 2 year subscriptions at 1c each. Compare that with how expensive cars are per km. An algorithm that is 10 times faster does not change the economics. By contrast, let's say you add support for just a few more tags. Perhaps routing the driver around congested intersections. He sees that the product is saving him time and fuel. Then he will pay when you increase your price with a few dollars. *: I admit that the core algorithm is quite bad but it does make up for it by being able to do everything in RAM and reducing cache misses. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps
Maxim Dubinin wrote: Everyone spied on everyone and I guess continue to do so. A group of Russians were just arrested in Seattle on that very charge... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering street names across several ways
andrzej zaborowski wrote: I think the rules for joining segments by osm2pgsql should be something like: * name='s are equal, * highway/railway/waterway/aeroway class is equal (however I wouldn't mind osm2pgsql joining a 3-segment way where the middle segment is shared with a tramway) * only two such ways meet at the common node -- not a Y type of junction where all three ways have identical names classes. * (possibly) not divided by a crossing with a higher class way, * (possibly) not meeting at a narrow angle * oneway='s are equal (or inverse, in case the ways have opposite directions), * unless it's a zoom level where the oneway arrows are invisible. How about http://osm.org/go/WIdREBKcE-- ? Note, the N/S road is split in two parts at this intersection, as it is oneway=yes on both sides in opposite directions. Since the street is so short, it loses both name labels just two zooms out. Of course, rendering the mini-roundabout at lower zooms doesn't help. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] need help in creating webmap for showing jagged/saw-tooth coastlines
Hi, We have been cleaning up our coastlines in the Philippines, the original coastline was an import of jagged/staircase-like coasts. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Coastline_Corrections A perl script was created to report the starting point (lat,long) and the number of steps for aeach natural=coastline way Couple of images in qgis here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/esambale/tags/sawtoothscoasts/ Large circles mean number of steps Next task is to convert to a webmap. Any idea how to create the webmap? Probably similar to openlayers cluster layer? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
On 4 July 2010 14:15, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 July 2010 04:21, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Many users are only interested in the local city and not too worried about having the latest version of the map. People have used three year old printed maps quite happily for years and for foot, public transport and cycling a cached map on the device works fine most of the time. Render with something like Maperitive and you don't need an Internet connection. Run it on a tablet and you have the ideal tourist map that can show you how to get from here to there without having a 3G data plan. I'm not saying its perfect for everyone but it may work for some and thus lower the demand on the servers. There is already plenty of tools for doing offline rendering, the point of this was to put rendering on the OSM website... rendering/routing... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm.org Routing Demo
On 4 July 2010 04:21, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Many users are only interested in the local city and not too worried about having the latest version of the map. People have used three year old printed maps quite happily for years and for foot, public transport and cycling a cached map on the device works fine most of the time. Render with something like Maperitive and you don't need an Internet connection. Run it on a tablet and you have the ideal tourist map that can show you how to get from here to there without having a 3G data plan. I'm not saying its perfect for everyone but it may work for some and thus lower the demand on the servers. There is already plenty of tools for doing offline rendering, the point of this was to put rendering on the OSM website... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
On 4 July 2010 07:22, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote: What would make OSM successful in your eyes? I thought one of the goals was to have OSM used more widely? This is the right type of question but you need to create an even more basic understanding: I haven't seen a common understanding of the definition of OSM's success. Where did you find the goal of a wider use? Wider use by I didn't find it anywhere, but what's the point in having the best maps in the world if no one uses them? Some people in support of ODBL have stated companies are worried cc-by-sa is too ambiguous and so they won't use OSM data, I'm trying to find the page it was listed on, but there is quite a few pages for/against ODBL... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] search field not vivisble when not logged in
Hi all, The main page (map) doesn't show the search field when not being logged in - this is not very user friendly and doesn't conform to a wiki like site where the search field is usually good visible and placed high on a page (I had to scroll down half a VW lenght on my 1024*768 screen to see the field ;-) We had this subject before... Greetings Roman ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 04-07-10 06:23, John Smith schreef: On 4 July 2010 07:22, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote: What would make OSM successful in your eyes? I thought one of the goals was to have OSM used more widely? This is the right type of question but you need to create an even more basic understanding: I haven't seen a common understanding of the definition of OSM's success. Where did you find the goal of a wider use? Wider use by I didn't find it anywhere, but what's the point in having the best maps in the world if no one uses them? Some people in support of ODBL have stated companies are worried cc-by-sa is too ambiguous and so they won't use OSM data, I'm trying to find the page it was listed on, but there is quite a few pages for/against ODBL... The point is that *no* major company actually said, 'if you switch to ODbL then we will use it', while it is a claim companies don't use OSM because of cc-by-sa. I don't see the problem solved, do you? Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAkwwD24ACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn3Y/wCgiqJ/J4hUdibor5OfJ0TyI3oz /1QAn35CKdMJwxlegzhLDZOHt2vMQxhH =4sz6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Candidacy] AGM Foundation 2010 - Girona
On 4 July 2010 14:34, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: The point is that *no* major company actually said, 'if you switch to ODbL then we will use it', while it is a claim companies don't use OSM because of cc-by-sa. I don't see the problem solved, do you? I doubt I'd make it very public if a license switch was in the interest of my company ahead of it actually going through, not that it will be more beneficial to any company I work for either way, simply because if it doesn't go through I would then be at a disadvantage... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk-nl] OSM nederland: Nieuw Elan
Beste OSM collega's We zijn zo ongeveer op het punt gekomen dan NL heel redelijk op de kaart staat, en ook de fietspaden voor zover deze in een knooppuntennetwerk liggen. Nic Roets heeft een mooie integratie gemaakt van een routeplanner in de OSM.ORG site ( althans een werkende mockup) en die biedt legio mogelijkheden om te routen voor auto, vrachtwagen fiets enz enz kijk zelf maar. Als je een leuke fietsroute plant, dan werkt deze router nog niet zo goed. hij heeft er bijvoorbeeld geen moeite mee om je over een spoorlijn te laten gaan, en ook komt er soms een stukje snelweg bij kijken. Kijk goede autoplanners zijn er al. Goede fiets planners nog niet muv van die provinciale planners van de fietsersbond, maar ik denk dat die ook nog sterk leunen op de netwerken. Mijn vraag aan de NL community is nu of wij het voortouw kunnen nemen in een stategische aanpak van het NL wegennetwerk vwb het onderscheid in toegestane voertuigen fietsen, bromfietsen, belastingen (vrachtwagens) maar ook hoogtes, breedtes en andere beperkingen. Ik stel mij voor een leek vriendelijke editor waarin een ieder van een wegdeel eenvoudig de eigenschappen kan aanpassen, maar ook niet meer dan dat Die editor moet dan wel de consistentie bewaken zodat alles past. Een fietspad MOET bijvoorbeeld altijd per fiets bereikbaar zijn vanuit de rest van de map, en een eenrichtingsweg moet altijd uitkomen op een wegdeel dat het mogelijk maakt om door te rijden. Ik denk aan dat soort controles. Maar ik denk ook aan een planning, NL indelen in vakjes en mensen als coördinator zich laten verbinden aan zo'n vak om de mapping te coördineren en wat te supervisen Er zijn ook vast nog wel betere ideeen. Op weg naar een kaart voor iedereen ! Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) P Before printing, think about the environment. image001.gifimage002.gif___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] OSM nederland: Nieuw Elan
ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: Mijn vraag aan de NL community is nu of wij het voortouw kunnen nemen in een stategische aanpak van het NL wegennetwerk vwb het onderscheid in toegestane voertuigen fietsen, bromfietsen, de rest van de map, en een eenrichtingsweg moet altijd uitkomen op een wegdeel dat het mogelijk maakt om door te rijden. Ik denk aan dat soort controles. IMHO moet je erg voorzichtig zijn met het zomaar op wegen aangeven van toegangsbeperkingen, vooral als die in het echt niet aanwezig zijn maar wel logisch zijn. Ik denk dan aan provinciale wegen waar een fietspad langs ligt. Je moet die provinciale weg niet gaan taggen met bicycle=no omdat dat fietspad er langs ligt. Een routeplanner hoort dat fietspad zelf te vinden. Als de routeplanner dat niet doet, dan is dat geen enkel probleem. Er ligt per slot van rekening een fietspad langs waar je toch op gaat fietsen als je er bent. Alleen op wegen waar daadwerkelijk een verbod voor bepaalde weggebruikers wordt aangegeven moet je dat ook mappen. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] OSM nederland: Nieuw Elan
2010/7/3 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl: IMHO moet je erg voorzichtig zijn met het zomaar op wegen aangeven van toegangsbeperkingen, vooral als die in het echt niet aanwezig zijn maar wel logisch zijn. Ik denk dan aan provinciale wegen waar een fietspad langs ligt. Je moet die provinciale weg niet gaan taggen met bicycle=no omdat dat fietspad er langs ligt. Een routeplanner hoort dat fietspad zelf te vinden. In veel gevallen zal die provinciale weg wel degelijk bicycle=no hebben. Als er langs een weg een verplicht fietspad (blauw bord met witte fiets) ligt, dan is de weg verboden voor fietsers (dat is de betekenis van het 'verplicht' in 'verplicht fietspad'). -- André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [talk-au] Bribie Island OpenStreetMap Mapping Party coming up soon! (Sat 17 July)
Hi everyone, Only two weeks to go until the next Brisbane OSM Meetup at Bribie Island! Read below for more details. - David On 28 June 2010 16:55, David Dean dd...@ieee.org wrote: Hi everyone, OSM mapping party propaganda follows. Please pass onto anyone you think might be interested. - David Calling all map-lovers, amateur cartographers, surveyors and cartophiles! Local OpenStreetMappers are having a mapping party soon, and we want your help. When: Saturday 17th July 2010 Agenda: 09:00 - 09:30 BBQ Breakfast at Quota Park, Welsby Parade 09:30 - 13:00 Mapping 13:00 - 14:00 Lunch at Bribie Island Hotel, 29 Sylvan Beach Esplanade Details: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bribie_Island_Mapping_Party_July_2010 OpenStreetMap is a collaboratively built free map of the world, with simple wiki-like editing; think ‘Wikipedia’, but for maps. The result is highly detailed digital maps, created and edited by local communities, that are free to reproduce without the normal commercial restrictions. It's a fun project to get involved with; you'll discover how maps are made and uncover the geographical secrets of your neighbourhood. Volunteers from all around Brisbane have already begun mapping the roads, footpaths and cycleways across the city, but now we need your help to improve our map by adding street details and amenities such as restaurants, parks, playgrounds and shops. For July, we will be mapping Bribie Island. After beginning with a delicious BBQ breakfast at Quota Park, we will split up and spread out over Bribie Island to collect information for inclusion in OpenStreetMap. You are welcome to map however and wherever you want, but here are a few suggestions for things that other mappers like to collect: * Missing streets, footpaths and cycleways * Missing street names * Missing street facilities (traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, speed bumps, etc.) * Missing reserves, parks, schools and child-care centres * Missing amenities (water fountains, toilets, playgrounds, seats, shelters, etc.) * Details of shops/restaurants/pubs However, if you aren't sure what you can do, we'll be happy to provide ideas and help get you started. If you have a GPS device, including a GPS-enabled phone, bring it along, but you don’t need anything special to map - just a pen and paper will do. Blank maps for note-taking can easily be made available if prior notice is provided. After spending a couple of hours surveying we will rejoin at the Bribie Island Hotel at 13:00 for lunch and to debrief. If you have a laptop, bring it along and we'll show you how easy it is to use OpenStreetMap on your own computer. Internet access will be made available through shared mobile broadband (or bring your own). If you can’t or don’t feel like helping in the physical survey, or you just want to be social, please feel free to turn up at the Bribie Island Hotel anyway. We’ll be there between 13:00 and 14:00 and we’ll be happy to introduce you to OpenStreetMap, and maybe get you set up to map your local area. If you can come, please let David Dean know by Wednesday the 14th of June, so we can have some idea of how will be turning up on the day. Contact David Dean on 0407 151 912 to RSVP or for more information. (please let me know if you don't want these emails in future) -- David Dean Post-Doctoral Fellow, RP-SAIVT, QUT (me) http://www.davidbdean.com (saivt) http://www.bee.qut.edu.au/projects/saivt/ (post) Room S1101, GPO Box 2434, Brisbane, Australia 4001 (p) +61 7 3138 1414 (m) 0407 151 912 (CRICOS) 00213J -- David Dean Post-Doctoral Fellow, RP-SAIVT, QUT (me) http://www.davidbdean.com (saivt) http://www.bee.qut.edu.au/projects/saivt/ (post) Room S1101, GPO Box 2434, Brisbane, Australia 4001 (p) +61 7 3138 1414 (m) 0407 151 912 (CRICOS) 00213J ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Queensland parks, forests and conservation areas
On 30/06/2010, at 7:48 AM, Roy Wallace wrote: Is it worth using an additional classification:qld=national_park|conservation_park|state_forest, etc. (or similar), just to make things extra clear? That is, when you use a rule like Conservation Parks get boundary=protected_area, I think it would be nice to also record that they are a conservation_park. On 30/06/2010, at 11:55 AM, Stephen Hope wrote: Are you actually going to put the fact that it is a State forest anywhere? Sure, landuse=forest is not a problem, but some sort of tag stating that it is a state forest (as opposed to private land) sounds appropriate. boundary=state_forest, and similar? They all have it in the name as well, although that's obviously not ideal if you actually want to render them differently. I've put a small (~110kb) .osm file up at http://www.sunsetutopia.com/qld_parks_ready.osm.bz2 which contains the results of tagging and merging together the park sections (where they're split in the original data). Magnetic Island is the most complicated one I've done so far. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-br] State of Brazil
Vitor, não sabia que você tinha sido selecionado, parabéns! Ia adicionar exatamente os mesmos pontos que o Claudomiro selecionou. Pode comentar rapidamente também a minha participação na proposição de tags de estacionamento de rua [1]. Mais alguém já propôs alguma coisa? []s 1: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/parking:lane Em 2 de julho de 2010 14:33, vitor vitor.geo...@gmail.com escreveu: Olá Pessoal, Estou preparando a apresentação do Brasil para o State of the Map. Vou falar principalmente dos seguintes tópicos: - Projeto Brasil 250 Cidades; - Traduções do Site, JOSM, Potlach, Merkaator, etc; - Oficinas de Mapas; - OSM em Alagoas. Vocês tem algum tópico ou detalhe a acrescentar? Vitor ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] State of Brazil
Love hotel é uma das coisas mais urgentes! 2010/7/3 Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com Vitor, não sabia que você tinha sido selecionado, parabéns! Ia adicionar exatamente os mesmos pontos que o Claudomiro selecionou. Pode comentar rapidamente também a minha participação na proposição de tags de estacionamento de rua [1]. Mais alguém já propôs alguma coisa? []s 1: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/parking:lane Em 2 de julho de 2010 14:33, vitor vitor.geo...@gmail.com escreveu: Olá Pessoal, Estou preparando a apresentação do Brasil para o State of the Map. Vou falar principalmente dos seguintes tópicos: - Projeto Brasil 250 Cidades; - Traduções do Site, JOSM, Potlach, Merkaator, etc; - Oficinas de Mapas; - OSM em Alagoas. Vocês tem algum tópico ou detalhe a acrescentar? Vitor ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] State of Brazil
and Last but not Least... O MAPA! Vc pode pegar nossa apresentação do ano passado e conferir todas as cidades que não tinham cido citadas... Eram porque não tinham praticamente nada mapeado... nesse ultimo ano, em praticamente todas cidades cobertas pelo Yahoo houve muito progresso - Brasília, Salvador, Curitiba, Feira de Santana, Cuiabá, João Pessoa, Fortaleza, Belem, Manaus e é claro Natal - um belo trabalho do nosso amigo Braulio. Acho que não é dificil de prever que em mais um ano, todas as ruas do Brasil presentes nas imagens do Yahoo vão ser traçadas! 2010/7/2 vitor vitor.geo...@gmail.com: Olá Pessoal, Estou preparando a apresentação do Brasil para o State of the Map. Vou falar principalmente dos seguintes tópicos: - Projeto Brasil 250 Cidades; - Traduções do Site, JOSM, Potlach, Merkaator, etc; - Oficinas de Mapas; - OSM em Alagoas. Vocês tem algum tópico ou detalhe a acrescentar? Vitor ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] State of Brazil
Love Hotel! Já tinha até esquecido dessa proposta :X Em 3 de julho de 2010 20:28, Bráulio Bezerra da Silva brauliobeze...@gmail.com escreveu: Love hotel é uma das coisas mais urgentes! 2010/7/3 Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com Vitor, não sabia que você tinha sido selecionado, parabéns! Ia adicionar exatamente os mesmos pontos que o Claudomiro selecionou. Pode comentar rapidamente também a minha participação na proposição de tags de estacionamento de rua [1]. Mais alguém já propôs alguma coisa? []s 1: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/parking:lane Em 2 de julho de 2010 14:33, vitor vitor.geo...@gmail.com escreveu: Olá Pessoal, Estou preparando a apresentação do Brasil para o State of the Map. Vou falar principalmente dos seguintes tópicos: - Projeto Brasil 250 Cidades; - Traduções do Site, JOSM, Potlach, Merkaator, etc; - Oficinas de Mapas; - OSM em Alagoas. Vocês tem algum tópico ou detalhe a acrescentar? Vitor ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] Demo Routingfunktion openstreetmap,org
Im Ansatz super! Nur hätte ich gerne, dass Waypoint bestehen bleiben, wenn ich sie als solche einsetze. Das Teil führt mich immer wieder mit dem Fahrrad über die Autobahn, weil es da kürzer oder schneller ist. Beim Planen einer Fahrradtour möchte ich gerne die wesentlichen Wegepunkte festlegen. Gruß Klaus 2010/7/2 Michael Buege mich...@buegehome.de http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?lat=53.54lon=10.00zoom=15layers=B000FTFT -- Michael ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Demo Routingfunktion openstreetmap,org
Am 02.07.2010 um 20:44 schrieb fx99: Bicycle (routes) geht bei mir auch über die Autobahn, genauso Moped und Mofa. Car und Bicycle sehen sehr gut aus. Foot geht teilweise mitten auf der Straße statt parallelem Radweg. Ist doch noch heavy beta. Ist ja nicht umsonst nur auf der dev-Seite. Also warum nicht erstmal abwarten, was noch passiert, und dann nochmal drüber schauen, ob das gewünschte funktioniert. Weiss eigentlich jemand, ob da cloudmade seine Finger mit im Spiel hat, oder ob das von denen _völlig_ unabhänig ist? Immerhin ist cloudmade von Steve Coast co-gegründet. Grüße, steffterra ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Demo Routingfunktion openstreetmap,org
Hallo, On 07/03/2010 09:24 AM, steffterra wrote: Ist doch noch heavy beta. Ist ja nicht umsonst nur auf der dev-Seite. Also warum nicht erstmal abwarten, was noch passiert, und dann nochmal drüber schauen, ob das gewünschte funktioniert. Weiss eigentlich jemand, ob da cloudmade seine Finger mit im Spiel hat, oder ob das von denen _völlig_ unabhänig ist? Cloudmade hat damit nichts zu tun. Der hier benutzte Algorithmus ist eine Imlpementierung von Nic Roets, der vor Jahren der erste war, der mit gosmore ueberhaupt Roting auf OSM-Daten gemacht hat. Cloudmade selbst bietet auch Routing an, aber das basiert auf einem ganz anderen Algorithmus und hat nichts mit Nics Arbeit zu tun. Ich finde Nics Demo interessant, nehme aber an, dass sie fuer den praktischen Einsatz auf www.openstreetmap.org nicht in Frage kommt, weil sie nicht schnell genug dafuer sein wird (@Sven G.: pfeilschnell ist bei mir was anderes!); er verwendet einen zwar flexiblen, aber recht langsamen Algorithmus. Aber Frontend und Backend sind hier ja relativ gut separierbar, also man koennte durchaus spaeter mal hinter das gleiche Frontend ein leistungsfaehigeres Backend bauen. Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Demo Routingfunktion openstreetmap,org
Frederik Ramm wrote: Ich finde Nics Demo interessant, nehme aber an, dass sie fuer den praktischen Einsatz auf www.openstreetmap.org nicht in Frage kommt, weil sie nicht schnell genug dafuer sein wird (@Sven G.: pfeilschnell ist bei mir was anderes!); er verwendet einen zwar flexiblen, aber recht langsamen Algorithmus. hi frederik, ich finde 10-15 sekunden für ein routing quer durch usa ganz akzeptabel. die meisste zeit (mehrere minuten) hab ich in der gui verbraucht; eventuell ist bei mir mal ein upgrade fällig ;) mag aber sein, dass der rechenknecht (8-core?) bei live-nutzung doch probleme bekommt. gruss walter - Der Student muß es wissen. Der Assistent muß wissen, wo es steht. Der Professor hat Assistenten. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Demo-Routingfunktion-openstreetmap-org-tp5248185p5250516.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Demo Routingfunktion openstreetmap,org
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bei der Ortssuche wird anscheinend der erstbeste Eintrag von Nominatim genommen. So wird bei Bad Honnef die Verwaltungsgrenze (bzw. deren Startpunkt gewählt) ausgewählt. Beste Grüße, Rainer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMLvM5AAoJEPT/XJzV1tNzJfEIAJjmhezw2Rsp57XCu9aOAe/e pqCe6Qdr7RT8zhJTVPonJRKS0FhljSQK+IOdzxDZt91XXVvQ0zr1hWgVW7RPXKCv BBAb0TxSyImefPoauhZpfzk0mGBAypAOAHpuoQhVl3C+UpGYFoxHhDdP1qFnPYf9 OmSkB6bX6drXmjXVEXRqF9bsma0fuHT2Ta+M1UCD97TPz6uHW4NbeaEPvHGMk3hx 48Rsr9pN5Wyv5tqIhQxyrBY4jJwrwiKyFN3Zvk5RWgF3EjYiEqQV4oZ8oXjs6irN 96u0FDAEpFi8LxUKhb9hEmfCNL5o0aIzl9hC/E1u7+KmrV2uGu1+elqhRHRtaGs= =nV9I -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Zusammenarbeit mit der Rureifel Tourismus e.V.
Am kommenden Dienstag (6.7.) findet im Rathaus von Kreuzau (Nordeifel) eine geschlossene Sitzung statt. Themen: - Straffung des vorhandenen Wegenetzes - Bessere Koordinierung und Zusammenarbeit mit den örtlichen Wandervereinen - Nutzung der in OSM schon gesammelten Daten - Wie kann eine Zusammenarbeit gestaltet werden? - Erstellung neuer Wanderkarten auf Basis von OSM mit Berücksichtigung der OSM-Lizenz - ... Beteiligte: - Vertreter der Gemeinden, Geschäftsführer der Rureifel-Tourismus und meiner einer Wer kann mir Tipps geben - Argumentationshilfen - ist der OSM Composer der geeignete Renderer zur Generierung von Wanderkarten unter Berücksichtigung regionaler Gegebenheiten? - Der Druck von Wanderkarten wird wohl vorrangiges Ziel sein. Bis zu welchem Format (DIN A3 und größer) können Karten gedruckt werden? - Wer in der Nähe (Aachen-Kölner-Bonner-Raum) wäre bereit, mir einen Einstig in die Benutzung eines Renderers zu geben? Schon jetzt meinen Dank im voraus Lothar Emmerich ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Demo Routingfunktion openstreetmap,org
Hallo, am 03.07.2010 10:22 schrieb bundesrainer: Bei der Ortssuche wird anscheinend der erstbeste Eintrag von Nominatim genommen. So wird bei Bad Honnef die Verwaltungsgrenze (bzw. deren Startpunkt gewählt) ausgewählt. Die Ortssuche ist tatsächlich recht entwicklungsfähig. Will ich z.B. in Bremen in die Hindenburgstraße, lande ich statt dessen in Beverstedt. Nominatim trifft hingegen auf den Punkt. Gruß nk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Demo Routingfunktion openstreetmap,org
Claudius claudiu...@gmx.de wrote: Schlimmer finde ich ja, dass Bicycle auch entgegen von oneway=yes routet. Hier in meiner Umgebung ist das bei den meisten residential Einbahnstraßen onehin erlaubt. Sven -- How to prevent Java from forking? Use a spoon. (Found on http://slashdot.org) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Demo Routingfunktion openstreetmap,org
fx99 f...@vollbio.de wrote: Bicycle (routes) geht bei mir auch über die Autobahn, genauso Moped und Mofa. Irgendwie ist da ein Bug drin. Wenn man Bicycle auswählt erhält man Routing über die Autobahn. Erst wenn man Find route drückt erhält man eine Fahrradtaugliche Strecke. Sven -- Das allgemeine Persönlichkeitsrecht (Art. 2 Abs.1 i.V.m. Art.1 Abs. 1GG) umfasst das Grundrecht auf Gewährleistung der Vertraulichkeit und Integrität informationstechnischer Systeme. (BVerfG, 1BvR 370/07) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Demo Routingfunktion openstreetmap,org
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: @Sven G.: pfeilschnell ist bei mir was anderes!) Ich hab jetzt nicht KA - HH probiert sondern eine meienr 30km Radstrecken und da war das _erheblich_ schneller als Openrouteservice. Sven -- Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes itself, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. (John Quincy Adams) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Demo Routingfunktion openstreetmap,org
Super Teil!! Ich bin gerade dabei unsere Sieg-Lahn-Radtour auf meinen Garmin eTrex H zu übertragen. Dafür kommt dieses Tool gerade zurecht. Den ersten Teilabschnitt habe ich soeben in eine gpx-Datei gesichert. Ich weiß nur noch nicht genau, wie ich das auf den Garmin bringe. Aber das kriegen wir auch noch raus. Klaus 2010/7/2 Michael Buege mich...@buegehome.de: http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/?lat=53.54lon=10.00zoom=15layers=B000FTFT -- Michael ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Mailingliste für die Region Frankfurt
Hallo zusammen, ich habe für die Region Frankfurt am Main nun auch endlich eine eigene Mailingliste einrichten lassen. Seit heute ist die Liste online und darf ab sofort reichlich genutzt werden ;) Auf der Liste sollen alle regionalen Anliegen aus der Region Frankfurt / Rhein-Main diskutiert werden. Grüße, Max Andre aka telegnom ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Mailingliste für die Region Frankfurt
Hallo telegnom, * Max Andre telegnom@googlemail.com [2010-07-03 11:57]: ich habe für die Region Frankfurt am Main nun auch endlich eine eigene Mailingliste einrichten lassen. Seit heute ist die Liste online und darf ab sofort reichlich genutzt werden ;) Auf der Liste sollen alle regionalen Anliegen aus der Region Frankfurt / Rhein-Main diskutiert werden. entschuldige, wo finde ich diese Mailingliste? ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ich habe einfach mal nur unter listinfo geschaut und nichts passende gefunden :/ Auf der Webseite: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Frankfurt_am_Main#Stammtisch steht aktuell auch noch Mailingliste - keine :/ -- Grüße, Benny gpg 0xFC505AB0 jabber be...@benny.de sip be...@benny.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bahnhöfe-Proposal
2010/7/2 Walter Nordmann walter.nordm...@web.de: 2+ demnächst mappt einer noch taubenställe und die flugrouten der ... weshalb sollte man denn keine Taubenställe mappen? Hier ging es um Unterfuehrungen, und die sind es m.E. genauso wie Tunnel durchaus wuerdig, erfasst zu werden, auch wenn dort kein GPS-Empfang ist. Gruss Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bahnhöfe-Proposal
Am 2. Juli 2010 19:56 schrieb Fips Schneider o...@fips-schneider.de: ...ich frage mich sowieso langsam, wofür wir eigentlich mappen. Wir machen an machen Stellen die Karte durch das strikte befolgen wir mappen nicht für Renderer, GPS-Geräte, Routing, Firmen, Autos, ??! keine Ahnung, was Du mir damit sagen willst. Irgendwie weiss ich nicht, für WAS wir denn mappen? wir erstellen kollektiv eine Geodatenbank, aus der dann diverse Karten und Applikationen geschoepft werden koennen. Damit das moeglichst universell moeglich ist, bauen wir die Datenbank allgemein auf, und beschraenken uns nicht auf bestimmte Nutzungen (in der Struktur der Daten). Wir versuchen immer allen möglichen Scheiss so kompliziert zu erfassen, dass vielleicht in der Zukunft dieses Tag mal erfunden wird. Verstehe ich leider schon wieder nicht. Prinzipiell versuchen wir, alles jeweils so einfach wie moeglich zu gestalten. Leider ist die Welt sehr komplex, und daher kann das nicht in jedem Fall von allen bis ins letzte verstanden werden (ich denke da an Oxomoa), so wie auch niemand die Welt in allen Einzelheiten versteht ;-). Das muss einen aber in der Regel nicht davon abhalten, einfach mal loszulegen und Dinge (bzgl. Oxomoa z.B. Bushaltestellen) simpel einzutragen, worauf andere dann aufbauen koennen. Vielleicht könnten wir ja manchmal einfach FÜR DEN BENUTZER mappen Erklaertermassen orientieren wir uns eher am Mapper, der die Daten eintraegt, als am Nutzer, der daraus eine Anwendung entwickelt. Wenn Du mit Benutzer den Nutzer der Anwendung meinst, dann ist Dein Appel an den Anwendungsentwickler und nicht an die OSM-Community gerichtet. Ich geb's auf. wer wird denn gleich? Gruss Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM Server-Wartung Anfang Juli
Die Wartungsarbeiten scheinen nun erfolgreich beendet zu sein und OpenStreetMap sollte wieder voll funktionsfaehig sein Happy mapping, Kai -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Fwd-OSM-talk-OSM-Server-Wartung-Anfang-Juli-tp5224085p5250761.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] OpenCuisineMap
Hallo zusammen, da mittlerweile geklärt ist wo geraucht oder nicht geraucht wird ist es an der Zeit sich auf das Wesentliche zu konzentrieren: Wo gibt es mein Lieblingsessen Es gab ja bereits den Wunsch nach so einer Karte, also ist sie hier: http://toolserver.org/~stephankn/cuisine/ Lust passend zur WM afrikanisch zu essen? Die Karte hilft... Viel Spaß, Stephan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bot zur Änderung von Wikipedialinks?
Am 2. Juli 2010 20:01 schrieb Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Deshalb würde ich eben so etwas machen: wikipedia = [Französisch]:[Eiffelturm-Artikel] wikipedia:[Indonesisch] = [Paris-Artikel] Zu interpretieren wäre das so: * Der Wert von wikipedia=* ist Quelle für die Interwiki-Links zu allen nicht explizit angegebenen Sprachen (= alles außer Indonesisch) * für Indonesisch wird auf den dortigen Paris-Artikel verlinkt OK, erfordert allerdings eine gewisse Disziplin. Solange der Artikel direkt fuer das Thema geschrieben ist, sollte es vermutlich keine Probleme geben. Man darf dann halt nicht einen Artikel wie hoechste Tuerme des 19. Jh. als Hauptartikel eintragen, d.h. Sammelartikel (z.B. auch bei einer Kirche, die im Artikel einer Stadt behandelt wird) duerften grundsaetzlich nicht als Hauptartikel getaggt werden, und das sollte man entsprechend im Wiki hervorheben. Zugegebenermassen ist es erforderlich, irgendwie die Quelle fuer den Interwikilink anzugeben. Bleibt nur ggf. das Problem, dass der Hauptartikel evtl. als Auszeichnung verstanden wird, und da ein Editwar entbrennt (eigentlich ist das kein Problem, da man ja ueber die Interwiki-Links zum gewuenschten kommt). Gruss Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenCuisineMap
Am 3. Juli 2010 13:11 schrieb Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de: Hallo zusammen, da mittlerweile geklärt ist wo geraucht oder nicht geraucht wird ist es an der Zeit sich auf das Wesentliche zu konzentrieren: Wo gibt es mein Lieblingsessen Es gab ja bereits den Wunsch nach so einer Karte, also ist sie hier: http://toolserver.org/~stephankn/cuisine/ Lust passend zur WM afrikanisch zu essen? Die Karte hilft... nett. (Ein kleiner Typo: Kebeb statt Kebab im Auswahlmenu, und gibt es nicht auch asian als cuisine typ? Und wenn nicht: koennte man das nicht zusammenfassen, also dort z.B. indonesian, thai und chinese anzeigen). Leider sind die cuisine-types etwas der englischen Esskultur angepasst, den Unterschied von Pizza al Taglio, Pizze tonde, Trattoria, Osteria, Tavola Calda, Enoteca und Ristorante haben wir bisher noch nicht im Griff ;-). Gruss Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zusammenarbeit mit der Rureifel Tourismus e.V.
Am 3. Juli 2010 10:23 schrieb Lothar Emmerich l.emmer...@freenet.de: - ist der OSM Composer der geeignete Renderer zur Generierung von Wanderkarten unter Berücksichtigung regionaler Gegebenheiten? regionale Gegebenheiten ergeben sich doch in erster Linie aus den Daten, und nicht aus dem Tool. Ich kenne den Composer nicht genau, aber vermutlich wirst Du fuer ein professionelles Druckerzeugnis von Hand nacharbeiten muessen. - Der Druck von Wanderkarten wird wohl vorrangiges Ziel sein. Bis zu welchem Format (DIN A3 und größer) können Karten gedruckt werden? Das liegt am verwendeten Drucker, nicht an den Daten oder der Software (notfalls kann man kacheln und dann wieder zusammensetzen, daher wuerde ich mal sagen: unendlich gross). Gruss Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Mailingliste für die Region Frankfurt
Hallo, Am 3. Juli 2010 12:06 schrieb Benjamin Hagemann be...@benny.de: Hallo telegnom, * Max Andre telegnom@googlemail.com [2010-07-03 11:57]: ich habe für die Region Frankfurt am Main nun auch endlich eine eigene Mailingliste einrichten lassen. Seit heute ist die Liste online und darf ab sofort reichlich genutzt werden ;) Auf der Liste sollen alle regionalen Anliegen aus der Region Frankfurt / Rhein-Main diskutiert werden. entschuldige, wo finde ich diese Mailingliste? da habe ich leider den Link vergessen :( Er sei hiermit nachgereicht: http://lists.openstreetmap.de/mailman/listinfo/frankfurt Grüße, Max ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Demo Routingfunktion openstreetmap,org
Am 3. Juli 2010 00:11 schrieb Andreas Neumann andr-neum...@gmx.net: Böser Fehler Fahrräder werden durch Fußgängerzonen geroutet, die nicht für freigegeben sind... sind sie denn gesperrt fuer Fahrraeder (bicycle=no)? Gruss Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenCuisineMap
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: http://toolserver.org/~stephankn/cuisine/ nett. (Ein kleiner Typo: Kebeb statt Kebab im Auswahlmenu, und gibt es nicht auch asian als cuisine typ? Typo ist gefixt. Ich habe die Types gelistet für die ich Icons hatte. In der Datenbank sind noch viel mehr Sachen drin. Das Tagging-Schema scheint mir noch nicht ganz ausgereift. Es wird versucht type, ethnicity und region in einen Tag zu packen. Und was ist mit einem Italiener der in seinem Restaurant auch Pizza anbietet, aber nicht nur? Soll jetzt die ganze Speisekarte abgebildet werden? Hattest du ja auch schon bemerkt. Stephan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenCuisineMap
Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de wrote: http://toolserver.org/~stephankn/cuisine/ Hm: OpenLayers.Layer.OSM.Mapnik is not a constructor Aber das liegt wohl daran... http://www.openstreetmap.org/ 403 - Forbidden Gruss Sven -- If you don't make lower-resolution mapping data publicly available, there will be people with their cars and GPS devices, driving around with their laptops (Tim Berners-Lee) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Demo Routingfunktion openstreetmap,org
Am Samstag 03 Juli 2010, 09:40:42 schrieb Frederik Ramm: Ich finde Nics Demo interessant, nehme aber an, dass sie fuer den praktischen Einsatz auf www.openstreetmap.org nicht in Frage kommt, weil sie nicht schnell genug dafuer sein wird (@Sven G.: pfeilschnell ist bei mir was anderes!) Bei Routing im nicht extrem weiten Bereich (Auto bis 300 km, Rad bis 100 km) ist mir die Route umgehend angezeigt worden, Rechenzeit maximal 2 Sekunden. sarkasmus Auf jeden Fall ist dieses routing-Feature wesentlich besser und schneller als jedes andere, das ich bisher auf der OSM-Hauptseite gefunden habe. /sarkasmus Es macht keinen Sinn auf ein Optimum zu warten. Man sollte die lasterzeugenden Teile davon nicht auf dem Haupt-Webserver laufen haben damit nicht alles in die Knie geht wenn zu viele Leute Routing wollen. Aber das auf der Website zu integrieren finde ich ungeheuer wichtig und sinnvoll. Gruß, Bernd -- Frauen begnügen sich nicht mehr mit der Hälfte des Himmels, sie wollen die Hälfte der Welt. - Alice Schwarzer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Demo Routingfunktion openstreetmap,org
Schön schnell. Guter Ansatz! Ich würde mir noch wünschen dass wenn ich in ein Textfeld klicke, Ziel oder Start, und dann auf die Karte der jeweilige Marker dort gesetzt wird. Gruß -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Demo-Routingfunktion-openstreetmap-org-tp5248185p5250976.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OpenCuisineMap
Es wird dringend Zeit das wir die tausende wirkliche gute Overlays auf die Hauptseite schön integrieren: - Openlinkmap - Cuisine - ... -... -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OpenCuisineMap-tp5250792p5250981.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zusammenarbeit mit der Rureifel Tourismus e.V.
Am 3. Juli 2010 10:23 schrieb Lothar Emmerich l.emmer...@freenet.de: Am kommenden Dienstag (6.7.) findet im Rathaus von Kreuzau (Nordeifel) eine geschlossene Sitzung statt. Themen: - Straffung des vorhandenen Wegenetzes - Bessere Koordinierung und Zusammenarbeit mit den örtlichen Wandervereinen - Nutzung der in OSM schon gesammelten Daten - Wie kann eine Zusammenarbeit gestaltet werden? - Erstellung neuer Wanderkarten auf Basis von OSM mit Berücksichtigung der OSM-Lizenz - ... Wow, im Moment passieren Dinge, die vor einem Jahr in weiter Ferne schienen und vor zwei Jahren unvorstellbar waren... :-) Beteiligte: - Vertreter der Gemeinden, Geschäftsführer der Rureifel-Tourismus und meiner einer Wer kann mir Tipps geben - Argumentationshilfen - ist der OSM Composer der geeignete Renderer zur Generierung von Wanderkarten unter Berücksichtigung regionaler Gegebenheiten? - Der Druck von Wanderkarten wird wohl vorrangiges Ziel sein. Bis zu welchem Format (DIN A3 und größer) können Karten gedruckt werden? - Wer in der Nähe (Aachen-Kölner-Bonner-Raum) wäre bereit, mir einen Einstig in die Benutzung eines Renderers zu geben? Ich denke der Composer ist für den Druck nicht so geeignet. Was ich empfehlen würde, ist mapgen.pl [1] von Gary68, das kann dir Vektordaten im svg- oder pdf-Format ausgeben, die sich dann sehr sauber drucken lassen. Weiterhin kann man einen echten Maßstab einstellen, erhält eine Legende und kann den Kartenstil recht einfach selbst bearbeiten. Außerdem auf Wunsch: -Karten einfach nach Ortsname generieren -(Wander-) Routen markieren -Decluttering von Icons und Schrift -Hinterlegen von Schrift, um sie abzuheben -... Ich habe dafür einen eigenen Stil gebastelt, der für den Druck in 1:50.000, 1:25.000, 1:10.000 und ähnlichen Maßstäben gedacht ist und ein wenig den topographischen Karten des LVA NRW nachempfunden ist. Dazu habe ich ein primitives shellskript, das einfach mit den Parametern Ort, Maßstab, Papiergröße, hoch/Querformat und Quelldatei gestartet wird und dann eine entsprechende Karte auswirft, die ca. die richtige Größe für das angepeilte Papierformat hat. Das sieht dann ungefär so aus: http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/8008/medinghoven.jpg Mit etwas manueller Vor-/Nachbereitung kann man auch Höhenlinien oder Schummerung reinbringen. Wenn du Interesse daran hast, schicke ich dir den Kram gerne rüber, ist vielleicht für so eine Vorführung ganz nett, weil's sich auch recht filigran drucken lässt. Gruß, Martin (der zwar in Köln wohnt, im Moment aber in Prüfungsvorbereitungen steckt) [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapgen.pl ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zusammenarbeit mit der Rureifel Tourismus e.V.
hi lothar, eventuell kann man die stadtverwaltung drauf hinweisen, dass sie OHNE Kosten fast alles aus osm bekommen können, wenn die daten erstmal richtig drin sind. also nicht nur wanderverein, sondern alle (SV, Wandervögel, Bürger, lokale firmen,schulen) und was es sonst da gibt. ich glaube nicht, dass die das geld für ein Bürger-Gis haben. die haben doch sicher auch probleme vernünftiges material zu bekommen. aber das was sie haben, könnte nach osm einfließen gruss walter - Der Student muß es wissen. Der Assistent muß wissen, wo es steht. Der Professor hat Assistenten. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Zusammenarbeit-mit-der-Rureifel-Tourismus-e-V-tp5250535p5251057.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bahnhöfe-Proposal
Fips Schneider glaubte zu wissen: Florian Gross wrote: M!rtin Koppenhoefer glaubte zu wissen: Am 2. Juli 2010 15:12 schrieb Florian Gross Abgesehen davon würde mich mal interessieren, wie viele Navis einen in längeren Unterführungen noch sicher routen. Hat das schonmal jemand ausprobiert? wir mappen nicht nur für GPS-Geräte. Eigentlich mappen wir nicht für gps- Geräte. ...ich frage mich sowieso langsam, wofür wir eigentlich mappen. Wir machen an machen Stellen die Karte durch das strikte befolgen wir mappen nicht für Renderer, GPS-Geräte, Routing, Firmen, Autos, ??! Ich versuchs mal: wir versuchen alles so genau wie möglich in die Datenbank einzutragen. Aus dieser Datenbank holen sich die Anwendungen die Daten und verarbeiten die. Das kann aber nur funktionieren, wenn die Daten wenigstens eingermaßen einheitlich vorhanden sind. Was glaubst du, was es für ein Chaos gäbe, wenn der eine so einträgt, daß es mit mapnik gut aussieht, der nächste daß es mit mapnik gut aussieht, der dritte für Skobbler, der vierte für die All-in-One- Karten usw. usf. und am besten ändert jeder noch alles so ab, daß es bei der Anwendung toll aussieht, die ihm wichtig ist. Wenn die Daten einheitlich genug sind, kann man der Anwndung sagen, aus Tag a machst du dieses, aus Tag b jenes usw. Es ist einfacher und sinnvoller, die Anwendungen an die gemeinsame Datenbank anzupassen als zu versuchen die Datenbank an jede Anwendung anzupassen. flo -- Du hast Recht - es ist eine Schwäche von mir, hin und wieder in die Jauche zu greifen; so auch jetzt, indem ich Dein Posting beantworte. [Werner Arts in daf] ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Demo Routingfunktion openstreetmap,org
Chris66 glaubte zu wissen: Fahrräder werden anscheinend nicht über path, pedestrian (mit bicycle=yes), und service Roads geroutet. Stimmt. Ich werde bei meinen Teststrecken hartnäckig über Bundes-, Landes- und Kreisstraßen geroutet. unclassified kommt nur, wenn es nicht anders geht. Ich hab spaßhalber mal Zwischenstationen eingefügt, da kommt dann teilweise Luftline als Route heraus. flo -- Da wo der Mensch seinen Verstand haben sollte, hatt das Tier seinen Instinkt. Oder so ähnlich. [WoKo in dag°] ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
