Re: [Talk-bd] Talk-bd Digest, Vol 12, Issue 3

2012-03-29 Thread Syed Ishtiaque Ahmed
Hi Larry and Sajid,

Please post the outcomes of your meeting in the list after you meet. I
would like to know about that.

ishtiaque

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Larry O'Neill larryone...@gmail.comwrote:

 Forgot to add the list

 On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Larry O'Neill larryone...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Sajid,

 It's good to hear form you, and the project you are describing definitely
 sounds interesting.
 I hope that we will be able to meet when I am in Bangladesh, but I am
 still waiting for word on a location where soemthing could be organised.
 Would you be able to suggest something in this regard?

 Thanks
 Larry



 On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 5:34 PM, phoenix phoenix.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 hello larry,
 I'm sajid from Bangladesh. I along with Kallol vai and my team from BUET
 started a voluntary project named 'Smart Blood Query' which is a mobile
 based blood donor searching system. we want to integrate open street map
 with the project to make the system more accurate  efficient. it'll be
 very much helpful for us to get ur advice  suggestions in this mapping
 project. we want to work with u during ur stay in BD. pls let me know what
 u think.

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 I will be in Bangladesh soon for about 2 weeks, the beginning of next
 month.
 My time is quite limited, but there is the possibility that I might be
 able
 to meet someone to give the memory cards for the GPS devices and
 possibly
 discuss progress and direction.
 I would prefer to do this at a location for an NGO rather than a
 University, would any of you be able to make any suggestions for this? I
 know that some of you have some NGO involvement, perhaps you could help
 out
 with a location for about half an hour?

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Martijn van Exel
All,

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Elena ``of Valhalla'' 
elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 2012-03-29 at 11:06:38 +0200, Jochen Topf wrote:
  The storage part is not true any more. Bing used OSM data to mask out
 military
  areas in Germany, so the Bing images are now automatically CC-BY-SA.

 No, they are not.

 If they did that (I haven't followed the related threads and I don't
 know exactly what happened) they would be in violation of our
 copyright. One of the way the could stop that violation would be
 to release the images under CC-BY-SA, another just as legitimate
 would be to stop distributing them.

 Having a license applying in an automatic way would not make sense:
 consider the case of product X owned by A and given under a restrictive
 license to B (the usual case with areal pics, btw); if B used
 X together with CC-BY-SA (or GPL) licensed product Y, A would
 find their product released under another license

 1. against their will,
 2. through no fault of their own.

 OK, I am officially more confused about this now than I was before asking.
Thanks for all your input though. I should probably have asked the legal
question separately in legal-talk.
I am not a lawyer myself but I tend to agree with Elena / Simon on the
matter of Bing violating the terms of the license / our copyright
(whichever of the two). Whatever they did, I would say it's fair they take
something back from OSM, they should just have said so. For the huge boost
they gave to OSM, we should cut them some slack though. And what were 'we'
going to do about it anyway? (That's a rhetoric question here, but we can
follow up on legal-talk)

I am still interested in instances of systematic (ab)use of Bing image
tiles in OSM apps, and what your opinion is on use /abuse in the Imagery
Analyzer[1]. This could impact our relation with Bing (which, according to
the press, is just peachy).

[1] http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bing/
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CT-compatible data recycling imported nodes

2012-03-29 Thread rhn
Thanks for the explanations.
I missed a very important detail: I didn't accept CT with this account. However 
one of the Polish community members promised to mark all my changeset that were 
not imports as CT-compatible.
From this point of view, a lot of my data is clean starting from some commit, 
perhaps except of those which were imported already tagged properly 
(paradoxically...), and those with untouched name.
In other areas, I edited data imported by other people in the same way.

My main hope is that, since I can precisely and automatically extract data 
pieces that I created from scratch, the data in question is not considered to 
be derived from CC data and therefore not bound by CC.
Regardless of the decision of UMP members, I don't want to rely solely on it in 
order to keep months of my work alive - that's why I'm asking for an 
alternative resolution here.

On a side note, relying on such a decision would be ironic - a lot of data I 
imported were only a copy of a PD map :)

Cheers,
rhn

 
 The v0 rule essentially states that allocating an object in the DB 
 doesn't create IP, so if you have an object that has lost all of the 
 attributes it originally had it is essentially a new object.
 
 However in your case that really doesn't apply (IMHO), because what I've 
 seen from your examples is that you actually imported the data yourself 
 and at least some of the original tags have survived. Note that the data 
 would actually survive the redaction process at this point in time, but 
 naturally you shouldn't have agreed to the CTs in the first place.
 
 The preferred way to proceed would be for you to get permission to 
 release the data you imported under the ODBL from the original creator 
 in the UMP project, as you probably know there is an effort under way to 
 organize exactly that in Poland.
 
 Simon
 
 Am 28.03.2012 22:43, schrieb rhn:
  Three different examples; all of them were remapped  verified in respect 
  to location and tags (except of name=* in most cases). That doesn't mean 
  the tags have changed though, sometimes they were imported just right.
 
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/28099536/history
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/28099539/history
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/28099452/history
 
  Could you point me to the v0 rule you're referring to?
 
  Cheers,
  rhn
 
  If you essentially remapped the objects it may be that some or most of
  your data would be safe due to the v0 rule (regardless of any other
  developments wrt UMP). It is difficult to answer this more definitely
  we would need to see some examples.
 
  Simon
 
  Am 28.03.2012 22:12, schrieb rhn:
  Hello,
 
  Please excuse me if my question has been asked before, I don't follow 
  this list.
 
  Today I found information about the way data is going to be marked as 
  incompatible - the way I understood it, all ways and nodes are going to 
  be reverted to the latest compatible version (i.e. the one before first 
  CC-only changeset).
 
  This worries me, as it seems the bulk of my changesets will be deleted.
  I focused on an area with data coming nearly exclusively from an 
  incompatible source (UMP). Before a license change was even in plans, I 
  managed to replace the road network almost completely with GPS traces and 
  some landuse data with WMS and traces.
  The problem is, I never bothered too much with replacing the actual 
  database objects (takes too much time), thinking removal of source=* 
  would be enough. Let me mention that I removed source only from  nodes 
  and ways that I had precise data about (and would have deleted if it 
  wasn't a hassle).
 
  My questions are: Is it acceptable to copy the snapshot of my current 
  data that would otherwise get deleted and restore it as CT-compatible?
  If yes, should the backup be performed now or is there going to be a way 
  to access CC data after the license change?
  If not, is there any other way to preserve the data?
 
  Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CT-compatible data recycling imported nodes

2012-03-29 Thread Simon Poole


Am 29.03.2012 19:16, schrieb rhn:
  On a side note, relying on such a decision would be ironic - a lot of
data I imported were only a copy of a PD map :) Cheers, rhn

Unluckily that the original source was PD doesn't make a difference
(legally), what counts is the licence you received the data under. 

Just so that things are clear, which account did you use that hasn't
accepted the CTs yet?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Jochen Topf
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 03:58:46PM -0600, Martijn van Exel wrote:
 Does anyone know of applications in the OSM ecosystem that systematically
 download large areas' worth of Bing Aerial tiles?
 The license[0] implies that this is not allowed because 1) you cannot
 'copy, store, archive, or create a database of the content' (par.2) and 2)

The storage part is not true any more. Bing used OSM data to mask out military
areas in Germany, so the Bing images are now automatically CC-BY-SA. Any Bing
images you have downloaded you can do with it what you want. They haven't
updated their terms  conditions yet, but I am sure Steve is working on that.
It is a big company that moves slowly.

Of course that doesn't say anything about the service. Bing doesn't have to
give you access to those images. Thats a different issue and I can't say
anything about that.

Of course thats all for the old CC-BY-SA license. If I understand the new
license correctly the images don't have to be under CC-BY-SA, but they would
have to give us their updated geometries for the military areas. That would
be interesting, because in some places they are better than the ones we
have in OSM. But they did this based on the old license so thats all
hypothetical.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Simon Poole
Sorry, but your statement wrt Bing imagery is not true (and very silly).

Just because Bing/MS may have committed a minor breach of CC-by-SA 2.0
terms 
doesn't change anything wrt their rights in their products. You may 
naturally ask
them to cease distributing such material and could potentially claim
damages.

But that is it.

Simon

Am 29.03.2012 11:06, schrieb Jochen Topf:
 On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 03:58:46PM -0600, Martijn van Exel wrote:
 Does anyone know of applications in the OSM ecosystem that systematically
 download large areas' worth of Bing Aerial tiles?
 The license[0] implies that this is not allowed because 1) you cannot
 'copy, store, archive, or create a database of the content' (par.2) and 2)
 The storage part is not true any more. Bing used OSM data to mask out military
 areas in Germany, so the Bing images are now automatically CC-BY-SA. Any Bing
 images you have downloaded you can do with it what you want. They haven't
 updated their terms  conditions yet, but I am sure Steve is working on that.
 It is a big company that moves slowly.

 Of course that doesn't say anything about the service. Bing doesn't have to
 give you access to those images. Thats a different issue and I can't say
 anything about that.

 Of course thats all for the old CC-BY-SA license. If I understand the new
 license correctly the images don't have to be under CC-BY-SA, but they would
 have to give us their updated geometries for the military areas. That would
 be interesting, because in some places they are better than the ones we
 have in OSM. But they did this based on the old license so thats all
 hypothetical.

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Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-29 Thread NopMap

Paul Norman wrote
 
 When examining the data, I found most of the ODbL-dirty status was mainly
 from the following accounts:
 hasse_osm_korinthenkacker (Antarctica)
 Kin (Antarctica)
 Blars (US West coast)
 

Actually, in might be pretty simple in the first case. To the best of my
knowledge, the account hasse_osm_korinthenkacker (translation:
hate_osm_nitpickers) is known for mass downloading, erasing and
re-uploading the unmodified data under his name. In his case dropping all
his changesets in the area might be the solution.

bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Jochen Topf
Hi!

The fact that Bing doesn't display the correct license means that they are in
breach of the license (7a). It does *not* mean that they haven't accepted it.
They automatically accept the license if they use the data (Par 8a). I still
have those rights (7a again).
(http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/legalcode)

And of course you are right: It doesn't change anything wrt their rights in
their products. But it does change something wrt to *my* rights in their
products.

Lets haggle about this some more. It is so much fun when several people who
all have no legal background discuss licensing. :-)

Jochen

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:31:41AM +0200, Simon Poole wrote:
 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:31:41 +0200
 From: Simon Poole si...@poole.ch
 To: talk@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial
  tiles
 
 Sorry, but your statement wrt Bing imagery is not true (and very silly).
 
 Just because Bing/MS may have committed a minor breach of CC-by-SA 2.0
 terms 
 doesn't change anything wrt their rights in their products. You may 
 naturally ask
 them to cease distributing such material and could potentially claim
 damages.
 
 But that is it.
 
 Simon
 
 Am 29.03.2012 11:06, schrieb Jochen Topf:
  On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 03:58:46PM -0600, Martijn van Exel wrote:
  Does anyone know of applications in the OSM ecosystem that systematically
  download large areas' worth of Bing Aerial tiles?
  The license[0] implies that this is not allowed because 1) you cannot
  'copy, store, archive, or create a database of the content' (par.2) and 2)
  The storage part is not true any more. Bing used OSM data to mask out 
  military
  areas in Germany, so the Bing images are now automatically CC-BY-SA. Any 
  Bing
  images you have downloaded you can do with it what you want. They haven't
  updated their terms  conditions yet, but I am sure Steve is working on 
  that.
  It is a big company that moves slowly.
 
  Of course that doesn't say anything about the service. Bing doesn't have to
  give you access to those images. Thats a different issue and I can't say
  anything about that.
 
  Of course thats all for the old CC-BY-SA license. If I understand the new
  license correctly the images don't have to be under CC-BY-SA, but they would
  have to give us their updated geometries for the military areas. That would
  be interesting, because in some places they are better than the ones we
  have in OSM. But they did this based on the old license so thats all
  hypothetical.
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2012-03-29 at 11:06:38 +0200, Jochen Topf wrote:
 The storage part is not true any more. Bing used OSM data to mask out military
 areas in Germany, so the Bing images are now automatically CC-BY-SA. 

No, they are not.

If they did that (I haven't followed the related threads and I don't 
know exactly what happened) they would be in violation of our 
copyright. One of the way the could stop that violation would be 
to release the images under CC-BY-SA, another just as legitimate 
would be to stop distributing them.

Having a license applying in an automatic way would not make sense: 
consider the case of product X owned by A and given under a restrictive 
license to B (the usual case with areal pics, btw); if B used 
X together with CC-BY-SA (or GPL) licensed product Y, A would 
find their product released under another license 

1. against their will,
2. through no fault of their own.

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Re: [OSM-talk] OS maps circa 1900 wanted, will contribute to scanning cost

2012-03-29 Thread Reinder Verlinde
In article 20120329154907.4718bd61@cave.bareclan,
 mick bare...@tpg.com.au wrote:

 Does anyone on the list possess the set of Ordinance Survey maps of England, 
 Scotland  Wales of about 1900, I'm trying to map the Roman roads described 
 by Thomas Codrington in his book Roman Roads in Britain published in 1903. 
 He makes frequent reference to the new OS map in his descriptions.
 
 I'm hoping to find shape files, MapInfo files or scans of the sheets and 
 happy to contribute around $AU100 (current exchange rate hovers around ?1.00 
 = $AU1.50) to the cost of scanning the set. (I may be able to go higher if 
 needed)
 
 If this is off-topic I apologize and 
 
 NO I DO NOT PLAN TO ADD THIS HISTORIC CONTENT TO THE MAP I plan to server it 
 myself.
 
 mick

Are you aware of http://www.old-maps.co.uk? From a quick scan, they 
may sell scans of the maps you want ((c.1854 - c.1949) 1:2,500 (25 inch 
to 1 mile) scale pre-war County Series mapping from the Ordnance Survey 
and (c.1846 - c.1969) 1:10,560 (6 inch to 1 mile) scale pre-war County 
Series mapping from the Ordnance Survey.)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 29. März 2012 11:51 schrieb Elena ``of Valhalla'' elena.valha...@gmail.com:
 Having a license applying in an automatic way would not make sense:
 consider the case of product X owned by A and given under a restrictive
 license to B (the usual case with areal pics, btw); if B used
 X together with CC-BY-SA (or GPL) licensed product Y, A would
 find their product released under another license

 1. against their will,
 2. through no fault of their own.


In this case A could sue B.

cheers,
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[OSM-talk] OS maps circa 1900 wanted, will contribute to scanning cost

2012-03-29 Thread mick
Does anyone on the list possess the set of Ordinance Survey maps of England, 
Scotland  Wales of about 1900, I'm trying to map the Roman roads described by 
Thomas Codrington in his book Roman Roads in Britain published in 1903. He 
makes frequent reference to the new OS map in his descriptions.

I'm hoping to find shape files, MapInfo files or scans of the sheets and happy 
to contribute around $AU100 (current exchange rate hovers around ₤1.00 = 
$AU1.50) to the cost of scanning the set. (I may be able to go higher if needed)

If this is off-topic I apologize and 

NO I DO NOT PLAN TO ADD THIS HISTORIC CONTENT TO THE MAP I plan to server it 
myself.

mick

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[OSM-talk] Custom tile server in JOSM?

2012-03-29 Thread Tomas Straupis
Hello

  Is there a possibility to add custom tileserver url to JOSM so that
this tile server is used in download map data dialog?

P.S. I do NOT mean the imagery layer behind the downloaded data.

  Thank you

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Re: [OSM-talk] Custom tile server in JOSM?

2012-03-29 Thread Paul Hartmann
2012/3/29 Tomas Straupis tomasstrau...@gmail.com:
  Is there a possibility to add custom tileserver url to JOSM so that
 this tile server is used in download map data dialog?

 P.S. I do NOT mean the imagery layer behind the downloaded data.

All TMS from the imagery menu should also be available in the download
dialog. You can add custom TMS in the preferences.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Custom tile server in JOSM?

2012-03-29 Thread Tomas Straupis
2012-03-29 13:22, Paul Hartmann wrote:
 All TMS from the imagery menu should also be available in the download
 dialog. You can add custom TMS in the preferences.

  What I've done:
  1. Edit-Preferences-Advanced
  2. Changed property imagery.entries (added a new source with
type=tms) (have tried doing the same using imagery pane in
preferences)
  3. Restarted JOSM

  And still my Imagery menu has 8 entries for background imageries
while download dialog has only 6 (and there are entries which are in
image menu but not in download dialog and vice versa...)

  Thank you

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Re: [OSM-talk] Custom tile server in JOSM?

2012-03-29 Thread Ed Loach
Does imagery.tms.add_to_slippymap_chooser show as true in
preferences? (I've not checked to see if this is relevant by the
way, but it seems likely)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Custom tile server in JOSM?

2012-03-29 Thread Tomas Straupis
 Does imagery.tms.add_to_slippymap_chooser show as true in
 preferences? (I've not checked to see if this is relevant by the
 way, but it seems likely)

  Yes, it is set to true.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Martijn van Exel
All,

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Elena ``of Valhalla'' 
elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 2012-03-29 at 11:06:38 +0200, Jochen Topf wrote:
  The storage part is not true any more. Bing used OSM data to mask out
 military
  areas in Germany, so the Bing images are now automatically CC-BY-SA.

 No, they are not.

 If they did that (I haven't followed the related threads and I don't
 know exactly what happened) they would be in violation of our
 copyright. One of the way the could stop that violation would be
 to release the images under CC-BY-SA, another just as legitimate
 would be to stop distributing them.

 Having a license applying in an automatic way would not make sense:
 consider the case of product X owned by A and given under a restrictive
 license to B (the usual case with areal pics, btw); if B used
 X together with CC-BY-SA (or GPL) licensed product Y, A would
 find their product released under another license

 1. against their will,
 2. through no fault of their own.

 OK, I am officially more confused about this now than I was before asking.
Thanks for all your input though. I should probably have asked the legal
question separately in legal-talk.
I am not a lawyer myself but I tend to agree with Elena / Simon on the
matter of Bing violating the terms of the license / our copyright
(whichever of the two). Whatever they did, I would say it's fair they take
something back from OSM, they should just have said so. For the huge boost
they gave to OSM, we should cut them some slack though. And what were 'we'
going to do about it anyway? (That's a rhetoric question here, but we can
follow up on legal-talk)

I am still interested in instances of systematic (ab)use of Bing image
tiles in OSM apps, and what your opinion is on use /abuse in the Imagery
Analyzer[1]. This could impact our relation with Bing (which, according to
the press, is just peachy).

[1] http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bing/
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Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, but I have studied copyright law and cases
and have actual friend as copyright lawyer (rarity even these days).

There are many ways how this is not even close to any substantial
copyright violation, and very few how it could be.

First of all, there's not enough proof of copyright violation. There's
no proof that assumed deravative work is generated using our work (So
far I haven't seen lot of it, only unofficial admittance). And if
there's one, it's not very substantial to variant court case of
copyright violation. 

And even if there is violation, one thing for sure - as several people
in this tread already said, this doesn't make Bing photos automatically
CC-BY-SA, no matter how someone would like this. As no written
commercial app including GPL code is automatically GPL. Coders just
violate copyright and they are given chance to remove it, or relicense
code as copyleft license requires. Also in this case not all photos are
impacted, only those with blured bits.

Cheers,
Peteris Krisjanis.

C , 2012-03-29 08:22 -0600, Martijn van Exel rakstīja:
 All,
 
 On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Elena ``of Valhalla''
 elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 2012-03-29 at 11:06:38 +0200, Jochen Topf wrote:
  The storage part is not true any more. Bing used OSM data to
 mask out military
  areas in Germany, so the Bing images are now automatically
 CC-BY-SA.
 
 
 No, they are not.
 
 If they did that (I haven't followed the related threads and I
 don't
 know exactly what happened) they would be in violation of our
 copyright. One of the way the could stop that violation would
 be
 to release the images under CC-BY-SA, another just as
 legitimate
 would be to stop distributing them.
 
 Having a license applying in an automatic way would not make
 sense:
 consider the case of product X owned by A and given under a
 restrictive
 license to B (the usual case with areal pics, btw); if B used
 X together with CC-BY-SA (or GPL) licensed product Y, A would
 find their product released under another license
 
 1. against their will,
 2. through no fault of their own.
 
 OK, I am officially more confused about this now than I was before
 asking. Thanks for all your input though. I should probably have asked
 the legal question separately in legal-talk. 
 I am not a lawyer myself but I tend to agree with Elena / Simon on the
 matter of Bing violating the terms of the license / our copyright
 (whichever of the two). Whatever they did, I would say it's fair they
 take something back from OSM, they should just have said so. For the
 huge boost they gave to OSM, we should cut them some slack though. And
 what were 'we' going to do about it anyway? (That's a rhetoric
 question here, but we can follow up on legal-talk)
 
 I am still interested in instances of systematic (ab)use of Bing image
 tiles in OSM apps, and what your opinion is on use /abuse in the
 Imagery Analyzer[1]. This could impact our relation with Bing (which,
 according to the press, is just peachy).
 
 
 [1] http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bing/
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Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Frederik Ramm

Hi,

On 03/29/2012 04:53 PM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:

First of all, there's not enough proof of copyright violation. There's
no proof that assumed deravative work is generated using our work


That was my position initially as well but it has meanwhile been proven 
beyond reasonable doubt, and publicly admitted by a senior Bing guy on 
IRC. Details are, mostly in German, on 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/2012_Germany_Military_Blurring. 
People have painstakingly compared the blurring boundaries and OSM data 
and found an overwhelming number of exact matches, and since these areas 
were not imported but hand-traced/mapped by many different mappers, it 
is near impossible that any other data source should have these polygons 
like that.


I can't comment on the *scale* of the copyright violation. I am however 
slightly unhappy about two *style* issues:


1. Six weeks ago, Bing said they'd rework the blurring to not use our 
data, but this seems not to have happened yet. If they knew it takes so 
long, they could at least have added our attribution in the mean time.


2. We never got an apology - neither for the fact that they used and are 
still using our data without attribution, nor for the fact that they 
initially denied having used our data and it took them ten days to 
confess. Had they, like others in similar situations, said we'd like to 
apologize for the cock-up and we promise to fix it, then nobody would 
have said anything. But all we got from them is We understand this is 
objectionable to some members of the OSM community but based on our very 
good relationship we hope and thank you for your understanding and 
patience. - read it slowly: We understand this is objectionable to 
some sounds like we see no reason to apologize just because a few 
pedants make a fuss.


Frankly, I would have expected more from someone who believes that they 
have a very good relationship with the OSM community.



And even if there is violation, one thing for sure - as several people
in this tread already said, this doesn't make Bing photos automatically
CC-BY-SA, no matter how someone would like this.


Probably right.


Also in this case not all photos are
impacted, only those with blured bits.


The photos from which the tiles are cut are quite large ;)

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-29 Thread ThomasB
just fyithe generation of the processedc_p failed. It say it has 46 Byte.
coastlinec_p seems to be okay

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Re: [OSM-talk] Applications systematically consuming Bing Aerial tiles

2012-03-29 Thread Jochen Topf
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 05:53:12PM +0300, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
 Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, but I have studied copyright law and cases
 and have actual friend as copyright lawyer (rarity even these days).
 
 There are many ways how this is not even close to any substantial
 copyright violation, and very few how it could be.
 
 First of all, there's not enough proof of copyright violation. There's
 no proof that assumed deravative work is generated using our work (So
 far I haven't seen lot of it, only unofficial admittance). And if
 there's one, it's not very substantial to variant court case of
 copyright violation. 

There is plenty of proof. See
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/2012_Germany_Military_Blurring

 And even if there is violation, one thing for sure - as several people
 in this tread already said, this doesn't make Bing photos automatically
 CC-BY-SA, no matter how someone would like this. As no written

Thats where we disagree. But I am not a lawyer either and I don't have
a friend who is, so I guess your argument is better.

 commercial app including GPL code is automatically GPL. Coders just
 violate copyright and they are given chance to remove it, or relicense
 code as copyleft license requires. Also in this case not all photos are
 impacted, only those with blured bits.

By this argument if I have a program with some of my code and some GPL code
I don't have to make my parts GPL because those are different parts of the
program? I'd say the photos are all impacted, because it is just one big work.
The tiling is just a technical detail to make the download quicker.

But, hey, the Bing guys are our friends, so there is no problem here, really.
And I don't want to get my fingers slapped by the list moderator for talking
legal things on the non-legal list, so I better stop talking.

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Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines

2012-03-29 Thread Paul Norman
 From: ThomasB [mailto:toba0...@yahoo.de]
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL-clean Coastlines
 
 just fyithe generation of the processedc_p failed. It say it has 46
 Byte.
 coastlinec_p seems to be okay

My jxapi instance is lagged behind - it lost its state.txt file in a crash
and fell a couple days behind. Not knowing the age of the data, my
generation script refused to generate, as intended. My upload script ignored
the return code and tried to upload anyways, not as intended.

Also, a bug in cleanway was found. Cleanway ignores tags and queries WTFE
which does not consider odbl=clean, so cleanway does not consider
odbl=clean. I can fix this, but need to write some code.


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Re: [OSM-talk] OS maps circa 1900 wanted, will contribute to scanning cost

2012-03-29 Thread mick
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:37:20 +0200
Reinder Verlinde zwart...@mac.com wrote:

 In article 20120329154907.4718bd61@cave.bareclan,
  mick bare...@tpg.com.au wrote:
 
  Does anyone on the list possess the set of Ordinance Survey maps of 
  England, 
  Scotland  Wales of about 1900, I'm trying to map the Roman roads described 
  by Thomas Codrington in his book Roman Roads in Britain published in 
  1903. 
  He makes frequent reference to the new OS map in his descriptions.
  
  I'm hoping to find shape files, MapInfo files or scans of the sheets and 
  happy to contribute around $AU100 (current exchange rate hovers around 
  ?1.00 
  = $AU1.50) to the cost of scanning the set. (I may be able to go higher if 
  needed)
  
  If this is off-topic I apologize and 
  
  NO I DO NOT PLAN TO ADD THIS HISTORIC CONTENT TO THE MAP I plan to server 
  it 
  myself.
  
  mick
 
 Are you aware of http://www.old-maps.co.uk? From a quick scan, they 
 may sell scans of the maps you want ((c.1854 - c.1949) 1:2,500 (25 inch 
 to 1 mile) scale pre-war County Series mapping from the Ordnance Survey 
 and (c.1846 - c.1969) 1:10,560 (6 inch to 1 mile) scale pre-war County 
 Series mapping from the Ordnance Survey.)
 
 Reinder

Thanks, I'll keep them in mind but the coverage I want will cost well over my 
budget

mick

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[OSM-talk-nl] zwaarveld, Neer

2012-03-29 Thread Rene Dohmen
Goedeavond,

De weg 'Zwaarveld' in Neer is tegenwoordig door een afgraving gesplitst.
Aangezien hier een 'rol' op zat heb ik deze niet durven te verwijderen.
Misschien dat een deskundig hier eens naar kan kijken?

http://live.openstreetmap.nl/?zoom=15lat=51.24789lon=6.00291layers=B00

Als de rol verlegd is hoeft alleen het wegdeel door het water nog te worden
verwijderd (is al af/opgesplitst).

groet,

René
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] zwaarveld, Neer

2012-03-29 Thread Henk Hoff
Rene,

Ik heb het even aanpast. Heb de relatie van het fiets-routenetwerk even 
omgelegd, zodat deze nu ook weer correct loopt.

Gr,
Henk

Op 29 mrt. 2012, om 20:16 heeft Rene Dohmen het volgende geschreven:

 Goedeavond,
  
 De weg 'Zwaarveld' in Neer is tegenwoordig door een afgraving gesplitst. 
 Aangezien hier een 'rol' op zat heb ik deze niet durven te verwijderen. 
 Misschien dat een deskundig hier eens naar kan kijken?
  
 http://live.openstreetmap.nl/?zoom=15lat=51.24789lon=6.00291layers=B00
  
 Als de rol verlegd is hoeft alleen het wegdeel door het water nog te worden 
 verwijderd (is al af/opgesplitst).
  
 groet,
  
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Re: [Talk-is] Ég sendi skilaboð á þá sem ekki hafa enn samþykkt Contributor Terms

2012-03-29 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2012/3/26 Björgvin Ragnarsson nifgr...@gmail.com:
 Listann yfir notendur fann ég hér:
 http://odbl.poole.ch/iceland-20120213-20120321-poly.html

 þið þurfið því ekki að ónáða þá líka,

Hvernig gekk þetta? Ég býst við að þú eigir við í gegnum OSM
skilaboðakerfið, ég er með upplýsingar um aðrar leiðir til að hafa
samband við nokkra af þessum notendum.

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Re: [Talk-de] Lizenswechsel und was passiert mit den Daten von mir?

2012-03-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 28. März 2012 20:19 schrieb Simon Poole si...@poole.ch:
 Am 28.03.2012 10:25, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
 Wird das odbl=clean nun berücksichtigt? Muss man das im Falle einer
 großen Multipolygon-Relation an die Relation machen, oder an die outer
 ways? Wird wenn ich nicht handle wirklich alles gelöscht, was jetzt
 auf der Badmap angezeigt wird? Das meiste dieses Waldes hier z.B. ist
 von mir gemappt, was da von Corine kam war bei weitem nicht so
 detailliert:
 Ja, odbl=clean wird berücksicht, aber du müsstest natürlich alle
 betroffenen Objekte so taggen.
 Ich bin aber klar der Meinung, dass das ganze in diesem Fall einfach ein
 Bruch ist. Entweder ist es ein PD-Import (übrigens wiedermal import
 guidelines nicht eingehalten) und es hat kein irgendwie gewonnes IP vom
 Importer, der dass dann auch klar freigeben sollte. Oder es ist nicht so und
 das Zeugs gehört weg.


A) Soweit ich das mitbekommen habe, sind die Corine-Daten in
verschiedenen Ländern unterschiedlich lizensiert. Scheinbar sind die
Daten in Italien PD und die im Kosovo cc-by-sa (oder so, jedenfalls
wohl nicht PD). Blöderweise hat der Hacker beides vermischt in seinen
Changesets. Für die Teile in Italien hat er bereits seit langem
erklärt, dass die PD seien, nur ist eben unklar, wie man das praktisch
umsetzen kann.

B) Die importierten Daten sind sowieso ziemlich schlecht gewesen, und
waren in dem angesprochenen Bereich einfach blind drüber importiert
worden (überlappte einfach, so dass das meiste direkt wieder gelöscht
werden musste), das hatte seinerzeit schon für böses Blut auf den
Listen gesorgt. Weiter westlich von der oben gepasteten Stelle sind
die Daten teilweise noch unverändert, in dem angesprochenen Bereich
hatte ich damals die importierten Polygone in das bestehende große
Multipolygon eingebunden (weil im Süden dadurch mehr Fläche abgedeckt
wurde, dazu hatte ich allerdings auch die ways soweit mich der Bereich
interessiert hat schon mal grob angepasst, weil sie wie erwähnt
ziemlich schlecht waren).

Falls nötig werde ich also odbl=clean ran-taggen. Reicht das an den
Ways, oder muss das auch auch an alle Nodes und Relationen?

Ich schreibe falls nötig weil ich gerade bemerkt habe, dass der OSMI
da gar keine Probleme erkennt (hat evtl. Frederik diese Changesetteile
schon als PD berücksichtigt?):

http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=12.73125lat=42.33413zoom=11overlays=overview,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_clean,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_inrelation,wtfe_line_inrelation_cp,wtfe_line_inrelation,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created

im Vergleich nochmal die Badmap:
http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=11lat=42.36807lon=12.79946layers=00B0

Wenn ich mir die History der Relation 940047 ansehe, sind da nur
Zustimmer drin, d.h. die sollte in jeden Fall überleben, ggf. gibt es
mit der Badmap ein Problem oder ist sie da momentan einfach nur nicht
ausreichend aktuell?

Gruß Martin

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[Talk-it] R: R: Aiuto

2012-03-29 Thread Giuseppe Amici
Cit:

 Che io sappia, due highway che si intersecano senza nodi in comune sono
un warning, mentre un highway e una waterway no (anche se non c'è un ponte).

 

Scusa il puntiglio, ma più precisamente risulta un warning su Josm anche
l’incrocio senza nodi in comune di highway e water way (con o senza ponte
che sia – o anche nel caso di tunnel =culvert)

 

Colgo l’occasione di questo “problematica” per chiedere il vostro parere su
questa questione.

Da tempo mi interrogo se è il caso o meno di fare un nodo in comune tra
highway e waterway, ad esempio, per evitare la segnalazione di way
incrociate. 

Il discorso poi si estende a highway che si intersecano con un ponte… come
ci si comporta?

 

Grazie Beppe

 

 

Da: Cascafico Giovanni [mailto:cascaf...@gmail.com] 
Inviato: mercoledì 28 marzo 2012 22.03
A: openstreetmap list - italiano
Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] R: Aiuto

 

Le mancate connessioni o gli incroci senza connessioni credo vengano
segnalate da JOSM come warning non error. I problemi sembrano quindi
derivati solo da ciò. Il metodo di lavoro normalmente implica che prima si
debba scaricare i dati preesistenti della zona, poi gli editing delle
highway devono legarsi con dei nodi.

Che io sappia, due highway che si intersecano senza nodi in comune sono un
warning, mentre un highway e una waterway no (anche se non c'è un ponte).

 

Per sistemare le cose JOSM ha una finestrella validation (in taliano forse
validazione): esplorala e quando selezioni nell'albero un problema, il tasto
destro del mouse dovrebbe fare un zoom to problem.

 

Il giorno 26 marzo 2012 14:37, Sergio Peduzzi sergio.pedu...@alice.it ha
scritto:

Buon giorno Alessandro
Ho mappato il secondo sentiero e quando faccio per caricarlo su OSM mi si
presenta l'immagine allegata.
Cosa debbo fare?
Come faccio a trovare i punti indicati?

Alessandro scusami se continuo a disturbarti e non esitare a dire basta!
Grazie

Sergio

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Inviato: domenica 25 marzo 2012 14:03

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Complimenti, hai caricato la tua prima traccia su OSM!

Veniamo ora alle annotazioni:
- il sentiero termina nei pressi della Diga di Cremenaga su una strada
provinciale; il punto finale del sentiero dovrebbe toccare la strada mentre
ci
arriva a pochi centimetri ma non è collegata ad essa. La mancanza di
contatto
tra sentiero e strada non si nota nella normale visualizzazione ma impedisce
il
corretto routing ad un eventuale software. Io ad esempio ho un cellulare
Nokia
con installato il programma GpsMid che mi permette di fare routing anche
pedonale analogamente a quanto fa il Tomtom col routing automobilistico; se
strada e sentiero non sono a contatto tramite la condivisione di un nodo
questo
routing non è possibile. Questo punto l'ho già corretto io.
La stessa cosa avviene dall'altra estremità del percorso dove il sentiero
incrocia un'altra sterrata e Via sette Termini.

- Incrociando Via sette Termini in corrispondenza dell'elettrodotto, il
percorso che hai mappato corre per circa 130m ad una distanza di un paio di
metri dalla strada lasciando supporre (ma non conosco la zona per cui non sò

com'è in realtà) che ne condivida il percorso per quel tratto. Se così fosse
si
disegna il sentiero sino a dove arriva sulla strada per poi riprendere a
disegnarlo dove se ne stacca nuovamente.

- Il tag che hai usato per il sentiero è highway=track che significa (cito
il
wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Map_Features#Highway_.28strade.29
)
Carreggiabili ad uso prevalentemente agricolo o forestale
Non ho idea di come sia, se è così allora va bene, se fosse più un sentiero
allora si userebbe highway=path
Sentieri non pensati per un uso specifico 
A volte il percorso è misto, parte su sterrate e parte su sentieri: in tal
caso si taglia il sentiero e si applicano i tag appropriati alle diverse
parti.

Alessandro

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Data: 25/03/2012 11.17
A: ale_z...@libero.it, openstreetmap list - italianotalk-
i...@openstreetmap.org
Ogg: R: [Talk-it] Aiuto

Sono riuscito a caricare la traccia su OSM, anche se durante la procedura,
il sistema mi ha segnalato alcuni errori e avvisi. Gli errori li ho
eliminati cancellando i punti, mentre gli avvisi li ho ignorati.
Adesso su OSM si può vedere la traccia 413-3V Monte Sette Termini-Creva.
Adesso sarebbe bello se tu o qualche altro amico, possano andare a
verificare e farmi una nota degli errori/mancanze presenti, in modo che
possa migliorare i prossimi inserimenti.

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Re: [Talk-it] R: R: Aiuto

2012-03-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 29. März 2012 09:23 schrieb Giuseppe Amici giuseppeam...@virgilio.it:
 Che io sappia, due highway che si intersecano senza nodi in comune sono
 un warning, mentre un highway e una waterway no (anche se non c'è un ponte).
 Scusa il puntiglio, ma più precisamente risulta un warning su Josm anche
 l’incrocio senza nodi in comune di highway e water way (con o senza ponte
 che sia – o anche nel caso di tunnel =culvert)


credo che JOSM segnali intersezioni di ways senza nodi in comune
_sullo stesso livello_, a precindere di altri tags.


 Da tempo mi interrogo se è il caso o meno di fare un nodo in comune tra
 highway e waterway, ad esempio, per evitare la segnalazione di way
 incrociate.


nodi in comune significano che ci sia modo di scambio, quindi andrebbe
taggato highway=ford il nodo.


 Il discorso poi si estende a highway che si intersecano con un ponte… come
 ci si comporta?


la situazione tipica per un ponte è di spezzare il way del ponte,
taggare la parte del ponte con bridge=1 e layer=1 (oppure un altro
layer in situazioni più complesse) e lasciare il waterway invariato
(quindi senza layer, senz'ulteriori tags per il ponte sul waterway,
evventualmente potrebbe servire un maxheight nel caso di un divieto a
causa di un ponte basso).

Invece per la situazione che il waterway passa sotto la strada dentro
un tubo la strada rimane invariata ed il waterway viene spezzato per
la lunghezza del tubo. La parte sotto terra viene taggato (in più):
layer=-1 e tunnel=culvert

In entrambi li casi non ci sono nodi in comune tra highway e waterway.

ciao,
Martin

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Re: [Talk-it] R: R: Aiuto

2012-03-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 29. März 2012 12:13 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
 la situazione tipica per un ponte è di spezzare il way del ponte,
 taggare la parte del ponte con bridge=1 e layer=1 (oppure un altro


scusami, intendevo bridge=yes

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[Talk-it] R: R: R: Aiuto

2012-03-29 Thread Giuseppe Amici
+1 ... sullo stesso livello ...

Ho aggiunto alla mia toolbag (in questo caso più propriamente tagbag)
Il tag LAYER

Grazie Beppe



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Inviato: giovedì 29 marzo 2012 12.14
A: openstreetmap list - italiano
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Am 29. März 2012 12:13 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
 la situazione tipica per un ponte è di spezzare il way del ponte, 
 taggare la parte del ponte con bridge=1 e layer=1 (oppure un altro


scusami, intendevo bridge=yes

Martin

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[Talk-it] Problemi PCN?

2012-03-29 Thread Milani Alessio
Ciao a tutti.
Da ieri nel tardo pomeriggio le suddette ortofoto mi fanno le bizze: dopo che 
i primi tasselli vengono scaricati correttamente cominciano ad apparire quelli 
rossi di errore che poi arrivano a coprire anche quelli scaricati 
inizialmente.
Mi pare strano si tratti di un ban dal momento che durante la pausa pranzo le 
avevo utilizzate senza problemi, per poi spegnere il PC e  andare al lavoro.
Ho tentato staccando, riavviando il modem e riconettendolo, ma niente da fare.
Sono il solo a soffrire di questo problema?

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Re: [Talk-it] Problemi PCN?

2012-03-29 Thread Simone Saviolo
Il 29 marzo 2012 12:46, Milani Alessio klava...@gmail.com ha scritto:
 Ciao a tutti.
 Da ieri nel tardo pomeriggio le suddette ortofoto mi fanno le bizze: dopo che
 i primi tasselli vengono scaricati correttamente cominciano ad apparire quelli
 rossi di errore che poi arrivano a coprire anche quelli scaricati
 inizialmente.
 Mi pare strano si tratti di un ban dal momento che durante la pausa pranzo le
 avevo utilizzate senza problemi, per poi spegnere il PC e  andare al lavoro.
 Ho tentato staccando, riavviando il modem e riconettendolo, ma niente da fare.
 Sono il solo a soffrire di questo problema?

È capitato anche a me, ma credo proprio che non sia un ban. In
particolare, noto che continua a caricare tile buone, che però dopo un
po' vengono coperte da una tile rossa con scritto ERRORE. Sembra
quasi che ci mettano sopra un overlay che non viene trovato, e poi la
tile rossa non trasparente copra quella sottostante.

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Re: [Talk-it] Problemi PCN?

2012-03-29 Thread Fabrizio Tambussa
Provate a scrivere al gestore del servizio p...@minambiente.it
Giusto per prepararvi: sono due mesi che sono stato bannato dal PCN.
Ho gia' scritto varie volte per farmi sbloccare, ma nessuna risposta.
Ho scritto anche all'URP del ministero dell'ambiente, nulla.
A questo punto penso che non abbiamo piu' un ministero dell'ambiente.
Saluti
Fabrizio


Il 29 marzo 2012 12:56, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com ha scritto:
 Il 29 marzo 2012 12:46, Milani Alessio klava...@gmail.com ha scritto:
 Ciao a tutti.
 Da ieri nel tardo pomeriggio le suddette ortofoto mi fanno le bizze: dopo che
 i primi tasselli vengono scaricati correttamente cominciano ad apparire 
 quelli
 rossi di errore che poi arrivano a coprire anche quelli scaricati
 inizialmente.
 Mi pare strano si tratti di un ban dal momento che durante la pausa pranzo le
 avevo utilizzate senza problemi, per poi spegnere il PC e  andare al lavoro.
 Ho tentato staccando, riavviando il modem e riconettendolo, ma niente da 
 fare.
 Sono il solo a soffrire di questo problema?

 È capitato anche a me, ma credo proprio che non sia un ban. In
 particolare, noto che continua a caricare tile buone, che però dopo un
 po' vengono coperte da una tile rossa con scritto ERRORE. Sembra
 quasi che ci mettano sopra un overlay che non viene trovato, e poi la
 tile rossa non trasparente copra quella sottostante.

 Ciao,

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Re: [Talk-it] Problemi PCN?

2012-03-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 29. März 2012 13:06 schrieb Fabrizio Tambussa ftambu...@gmail.com:
 Provate a scrivere al gestore del servizio p...@minambiente.it
 Giusto per prepararvi: sono due mesi che sono stato bannato dal PCN.
 Ho gia' scritto varie volte per farmi sbloccare, ma nessuna risposta.
 Ho scritto anche all'URP del ministero dell'ambiente, nulla.
 A questo punto penso che non abbiamo piu' un ministero dell'ambiente.
 Saluti
 Fabrizio


hai mai provato accedere tramite un proxy?

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Re: [Talk-it] Problemi PCN?

2012-03-29 Thread Fabrizio Tambussa

 hai mai provato accedere tramite un proxy?

Si, funziona. Anche se cambio IP.
Il problema non e' nella macchina ma della black-list del PCN.

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Re: [Talk-it] Problemi PCN?

2012-03-29 Thread Sky One
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:46, Milani Alessio klava...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sono il solo a soffrire di questo problema?

Adesso succede anche a me (non so però se sto uscendo via Telecom o
via GARR - nel secondo caso sarebbe un ban bello grosso...).

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Re: [Talk-it] Problemi PCN?

2012-03-29 Thread Volker Schmidt
Anche a me succede da ieri. Rosso con Error. Le foto son sotto il rosso.

Volker

On 29 March 2012 13:37, Sky One sky...@skyone.it wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:46, Milani Alessio klava...@gmail.com wrote:
  Sono il solo a soffrire di questo problema?

 Adesso succede anche a me (non so però se sto uscendo via Telecom o
 via GARR - nel secondo caso sarebbe un ban bello grosso...).

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Re: [Talk-it] Problemi PCN?

2012-03-29 Thread Enrico Piccinelli

On Thu, 29 Mar 2012, Sky One wrote:


On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:46, Milani Alessio klava...@gmail.com wrote:

Sono il solo a soffrire di questo problema?


Adesso succede anche a me (non so però se sto uscendo via Telecom o
via GARR - nel secondo caso sarebbe un ban bello grosso...).



succede pure a me. Io ho parzialmente risolto togliendo la spunta a 
scaricamento automatico nel livello del pcn, e poi cliccando su cambia 
risoluzione.


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Re: [Talk-it] Problemi PCN?

2012-03-29 Thread bruno
On gio, 2012-03-29 at 12:46 +0200, Milani Alessio wrote:
 Sono il solo a soffrire di questo problema?

No: io vedo SOLO i riquadri rossi di errore :-|
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Re: [Talk-it] Problemi PCN?

2012-03-29 Thread Simone Cortesi
2012/3/29 Fabrizio Tambussa ftambu...@gmail.com:

 hai mai provato accedere tramite un proxy?

 Si, funziona. Anche se cambio IP.
 Il problema non e' nella macchina ma della black-list del PCN.

Fabrizio, anche io ammetto il fallimento: avevo scritto, sollecitando
il tuo caso, sia via facebook e via mail al funzionario responsabile
del PCN, ma non ho mai avuto risposta.

Data delle comunicazioni: 4 febbraio.

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Re: [Talk-it] Problemi PCN?

2012-03-29 Thread Fabrizio Tambussa
Il 29 marzo 2012 14:11, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha scritto:

 Fabrizio, anche io ammetto il fallimento: avevo scritto, sollecitando
 il tuo caso, sia via facebook e via mail al funzionario responsabile
 del PCN, ma non ho mai avuto risposta.

 Data delle comunicazioni: 4 febbraio.

Me lo avevi detto; ti ringrazio, ma penso che le mail cadano in  /dev/null.
Per carita', sono immagini del 2006 che stanno diventando vecchiotte,
ma le usavo per allinearmi perche con Bing la georeferenziazione e' un
disastro.
Saluti
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Re: [Talk-it] Problemi PCN?

2012-03-29 Thread Alberto Nogaro


-Original Message-
From: Sky One [mailto:sky...@skyone.it]
Sent: giovedì 29 marzo 2012 13:38
To: openstreetmap list - italiano
Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Problemi PCN?

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:46, Milani Alessio klava...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sono il solo a soffrire di questo problema?

Adesso succede anche a me (non so però se sto uscendo via Telecom o via
GARR - nel secondo caso sarebbe un ban bello grosso...).

Prova con questo URL:

wms:http://wms.pcn.minambiente.it/ogc?map=/ms_ogc/WMS_v1.3/raster/ortofoto_c
olore_06.mapFORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLaye
rs=OI.ORTOIMMAGINI.2006.33,OI.ORTOIMMAGINI.2006.32STYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH=
{width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}

Ciao,
Alberto


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[Talk-it] Fwd: [Gfoss] Fwd: Aggiornamento servizi standard OGC

2012-03-29 Thread Luca Delucchi
Penso che questo sia il motivo dei problemi che riscontrate con il PCN

 Original Message 
Subject:        Aggiornamento servizi standard OGC
Date:   Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:06:41 +0200
From:   PCN p...@minambiente.it
To:     undisclosed-recipients:;



Inline images 1

Da oggi, 29 marzo 2012, sono disponibili gli aggiornamenti dei servizi
/standard/ OGC.

In particolare, sono stati aggiornati alla versione 1.3.0 i servizi
/WMS/ seguendo le
linee guida INSPIRE per i servizi di visualizzazione; sono stati aggiornati alla
versione 1.1.0 i servizi WFS e sono stati aggiornati alla versione
1.1.2. i servizi WCS.


Distinti saluti

Lo staff

Geoportale Nazionale

Direzione Generale per la Tutela del Territorio e delle Risorse Idriche

Ministero dell'Ambiente e della Tutela del Territorio e del Mare

ROMA

http://www.pcn.minambiente.it blocked::http://www.pcn.minambiente.it

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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: [Gfoss] Fwd: Aggiornamento servizi standard OGC

2012-03-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 29. März 2012 14:27 schrieb Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com:
 Penso che questo sia il motivo dei problemi che riscontrate con il PCN

 Inline images 1

 Da oggi, 29 marzo 2012, sono disponibili gli aggiornamenti dei servizi
 /standard/ OGC.

 In particolare, sono stati aggiornati alla versione 1.3.0 i servizi
 /WMS/ seguendo le
 linee guida INSPIRE per i servizi di visualizzazione; sono stati aggiornati 
 alla
 versione 1.1.0 i servizi WFS e sono stati aggiornati alla versione
 1.1.2. i servizi WCS.


qual'è il link nuovo? Vorrei aggiornare i presets di JOSM.

ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: [Gfoss] Fwd: Aggiornamento servizi standard OGC

2012-03-29 Thread Simone Saviolo
Il 29 marzo 2012 14:48, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com ha scritto:
 Am 29. März 2012 14:27 schrieb Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com:
 Penso che questo sia il motivo dei problemi che riscontrate con il PCN

 Inline images 1

 Da oggi, 29 marzo 2012, sono disponibili gli aggiornamenti dei servizi
 /standard/ OGC.

 In particolare, sono stati aggiornati alla versione 1.3.0 i servizi
 /WMS/ seguendo le
 linee guida INSPIRE per i servizi di visualizzazione; sono stati aggiornati 
 alla
 versione 1.1.0 i servizi WFS e sono stati aggiornati alla versione
 1.1.2. i servizi WCS.


 qual'è il link nuovo? Vorrei aggiornare i presets di JOSM.

Sto facendo una prova con quelli che ho trovato qui:
http://www.pcn.minambiente.it/PCNDYN/catalogowms.jsp?lan=it

Ciao,

Simone

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Re: [Talk-it] R: R: Aiuto

2012-03-29 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2012-03-29 at 09:23:26 +0200, Giuseppe Amici wrote:
 Da tempo mi interrogo se è il caso o meno di fare un nodo in comune tra
 highway e waterway, ad esempio, per evitare la segnalazione di way
 incrociate. 

ovviamente no, a meno che la strada effettivamente intersechi 
il corso d'acqua (tipo guado): i warning servono per avvisare 
che c'e` qualcosa che potrebbe essere sbagliato, ma non e` 
detto al 100% che lo sia.

(Ad esempio c'e` un warning quando si uploada una highway=road, 
ma se non si sa che tipo di strada sia e` giusto taggarla 
in quel modo.)

 Il discorso poi si estende a highway che si intersecano con un ponte… come
 ci si comporta?

Sia in questo caso che nel caso strada / fiume ci dovrebbe essere 
il tag layer che indica quale delle due way passa sopra l'altra 
(l'importante e` che la strada sopra abbia un valore piu` 
alto della strada sotto, ma e` convenzione lasciare la via 
al livello del suolo come layer=0)

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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: [Gfoss] Fwd: Aggiornamento servizi standard OGC

2012-03-29 Thread silviopen

Il 29/03/2012 14:55, Simone Saviolo ha scritto:

qual'è il link nuovo? Vorrei aggiornare i presets di JOSM.
Sto facendo una prova con quelli che ho trovato qui:
http://www.pcn.minambiente.it/PCNDYN/catalogowms.jsp?lan=it

Ciao,

Simone



Ho avuto anch'io problemi, da ieri sera.
Sembrerebbero risolti utilizzando le ortofoto nella pagina segnalata da 
simone.


Perlomeno per quanto riguarda il Piemonte...

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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: [Gfoss] Fwd: Aggiornamento servizi standard OGC

2012-03-29 Thread Giuliano



Il 29/03/2012 14:48, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto:

Am 29. März 2012 14:27 schrieb Luca Delucchilucadel...@gmail.com:

Penso che questo sia il motivo dei problemi che riscontrate con il PCN

Inline images 1

Da oggi, 29 marzo 2012, sono disponibili gli aggiornamenti dei servizi
/standard/ OGC.

In particolare, sono stati aggiornati alla versione 1.3.0 i servizi
/WMS/ seguendo le
linee guida INSPIRE per i servizi di visualizzazione; sono stati aggiornati alla
versione 1.1.0 i servizi WFS e sono stati aggiornati alla versione
1.1.2. i servizi WCS.


qual'è il link nuovo? Vorrei aggiornare i presets di JOSM.

Con questo a me funziona bene:
wms:http://wms.pcn.minambiente.it/ogc?map=/ms_ogc/WMS_v1.3/raster/ortofoto_colore_06.mapFORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLayers=OI.ORTOIMMAGINI.2006.33,OI.ORTOIMMAGINI.2006.32STYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}

Ciao
Giuliano



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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: [Gfoss] Fwd: Aggiornamento servizi standard OGC

2012-03-29 Thread Simone Saviolo
 Con questo a me funziona bene:
 wms:http://wms.pcn.minambiente.it/ogc?map=/ms_ogc/WMS_v1.3/raster/ortofoto_colore_06.mapFORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLayers=OI.ORTOIMMAGINI.2006.33,OI.ORTOIMMAGINI.2006.32STYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}

Se, come me, volete anche vedere le date di acquisizione, usate:

wms:http://wms.pcn.minambiente.it/ogc?map=/ms_ogc/WMS_v1.3/raster/ortofoto_colore_06.mapFORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLayers=OI.DATEVOLO.2006,OI.ORTOIMMAGINI.2006.33,OI.ORTOIMMAGINI.2006.32STYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}

Sono piccole scritte che potrebbero comunque coprire qualche dettaglio
(la loro dimensione dipende dalla risoluzione di caricamento delle
tile); usatele a vostra discrezione.

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[Talk-it] Discriminare piu tracce

2012-03-29 Thread Sergio Peduzzi
Se per esempio un sentiero passa per un tratto su una strada e poi debbo
modificarlo, come faccio a discriminare le due tracce??

Grazie a tutti

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Re: [Talk-it] Discriminare piu tracce

2012-03-29 Thread Simone Cortesi
2012/3/29 Sergio Peduzzi sergio.pedu...@alice.it:
 Se per esempio un sentiero passa per un tratto su una strada e poi debbo
 modificarlo, come faccio a discriminare le due tracce??

cosa intendi?

come dato di partenza hai un GPX, oppure intendi come identificarlo
all'interno del database?


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Re: [Talk-it] Discriminare piu tracce

2012-03-29 Thread sabas88
Il giorno 29 marzo 2012 18:15, Sergio Peduzzi sergio.pedu...@alice.it ha
scritto:

  Se per esempio un sentiero passa per un tratto su una strada e poi debbo
 modificarlo, come faccio a discriminare le due tracce??

 Grazie a tutti

 Sergio


-Tracci il sentiero fino a dove incontra la strada e lo colleghi alla
strada stessa.
 -Eventualmente migliora la traccia della strada (se esistente, altrimenti
la devi tracciare anch'essa :) )
-Riprendi da dove si separano a tracciare il sentiero.
-Se è un sentiero ufficiale poi si farà la relazione che unirà i diversi
pezzi.

Mi sono spiegato? :)

Ciao,
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[Talk-it] OSM su Punto Informatico

2012-03-29 Thread sabas88
Ciao,
ho appena letto questo articolo
http://punto-informatico.it/3491424/PI/News/google-occhio-open-street-map.aspx#post

Che, Tamburrino è utente OSM? Non contiene nessuna notizia ma porta
all'attenzione l'argomento. Per fortuna non ci sono errori, i commenti
all'articolo vabbè, si intravede qualche mappatore che tenta di rispondere
a chi spara cavolate.

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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: [Gfoss] Fwd: Aggiornamento servizi standard OGC

2012-03-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 29. März 2012 17:07 schrieb Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com:
 Con questo a me funziona bene:
 wms:http://wms.pcn.minambiente.it/ogc?map=/ms_ogc/WMS_v1.3/raster/ortofoto_colore_06.mapFORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLayers=OI.ORTOIMMAGINI.2006.33,OI.ORTOIMMAGINI.2006.32STYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}

 Se, come me, volete anche vedere le date di acquisizione, usate:

 wms:http://wms.pcn.minambiente.it/ogc?map=/ms_ogc/WMS_v1.3/raster/ortofoto_colore_06.mapFORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLayers=OI.DATEVOLO.2006,OI.ORTOIMMAGINI.2006.33,OI.ORTOIMMAGINI.2006.32STYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}


dato che non credo che aggiornino le foto del 2006 (al meno non credo
che poi il layer si chiamerà ancora ortofoto_06) non lo trovo molto
utile di avere ancora più scritte sopra le foto ;-), comunque
interessante da sapere.

C'è un motivo che mettete JPEG e non PNG? Tanto non siamo moltissimi
ad usare questo servizio, e in JPEG si rischia sempre a perdere
qualche dettaglio nella compressione...

ciao,
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[Talk-it] R: Discriminare piu tracce

2012-03-29 Thread Sergio Peduzzi
Grazie Stefano

In pratica è quello che ho fatto, con la differenza che ho continuato a
tracciare il sentiero sulla strada fino a quando si dividono. Io non ho
capito cosa significa “Se è un sentiero ufficiale poi si farà la relazione
che unirà i diversi pezzi”

Ma parlando di sentieri, è frequente che più sentieri per un pezzo si
sovrappongono ed io pensavo si potesse discriminare nella sovrapposizione il
sentiero interessato. 

 

Buona serata 

Sergio

 

 

Da: sabas88 [mailto:saba...@gmail.com] 
Inviato: giovedì 29 marzo 2012 18:20
A: openstreetmap list - italiano
Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Discriminare piu tracce

 

 

Il giorno 29 marzo 2012 18:15, Sergio Peduzzi sergio.pedu...@alice.it ha
scritto:

Se per esempio un sentiero passa per un tratto su una strada e poi debbo
modificarlo, come faccio a discriminare le due tracce??

Grazie a tutti

Sergio

 

-Tracci il sentiero fino a dove incontra la strada e lo colleghi alla strada
stessa.

 -Eventualmente migliora la traccia della strada (se esistente, altrimenti
la devi tracciare anch'essa :) )

-Riprendi da dove si separano a tracciare il sentiero.

-Se è un sentiero ufficiale poi si farà la relazione che unirà i diversi
pezzi.

 

Mi sono spiegato? :)

 

Ciao,

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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: [Gfoss] Fwd: Aggiornamento servizi standard OGC

2012-03-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Grazie per i link, ho aggiornato il wiki
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Italy/PCN
nella sezione JOSM sia per 2006 che per 2008.

Non ho cambiato invece il link di Merkaartor, perchè non lo uso e
quindi non posso provare se funziona.

ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: [Gfoss] Fwd: Aggiornamento servizi standard OGC

2012-03-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Aggiornato anche i presets di JOSM. Per chi non ha ancora modificato
manualmente dovrebbe essere sufficente di fare un update in preferenze
  TMS/WMS cliccando sulle due frecce blu a canto alla mappa.

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Re: [Talk-it] R: Discriminare piu tracce

2012-03-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 29. März 2012 18:55 schrieb Sergio Peduzzi sergio.pedu...@alice.it:
 Grazie Stefano

 In pratica è quello che ho fatto, con la differenza che ho continuato a
 tracciare il sentiero sulla strada fino a quando si dividono. Io non ho
 capito cosa significa “Se è un sentiero ufficiale poi si farà la relazione
 che unirà i diversi pezzi”

 Ma parlando di sentieri, è frequente che più sentieri per un pezzo si
 sovrappongono ed io pensavo si potesse discriminare nella sovrapposizione il
 sentiero interessato.


in realtà ci sono due modi / tipi di sentieri che inseriamo in OSM. Un
tipo è il sentiero fisico, con i suoi attributi surface, width, classe
(highway), name, ecc. Di questi sentieri ad ogni punto ci può essere
solo uno.

Invece l'altro tipo di sentiero in realtà è una rotta, un
percorso/itinerario che usa un sentiero fisico. Di questi ci possono
essere una infinità su ogni pezzo di strada / sentiero fisico. Questi
in OSM non li mappiamo con un way, ma con una relazione che contiene
come membro uno o più way. Per approfondire dovresti guardarti la
relazione del type=route nel wiki. E' lo stesso concetto che viene
usato sia per il trasporto pubblico che anche per sentieri ed anche
per strade (per esempio Strada Statale No. 1). Pratticamente il
concetto è utilizzabile per ogni feature lineare.

ciao,
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[Talk-it] TMC in Italia

2012-03-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Ragazzi, qual'è lo stato sul TMC in Italia? Questi dati qui sono utilizzabili?
http://www.cciss.it/portale/cciss.portal?_nfpb=true_windowLabel=portletInstance_3portletInstance_3_actionOverride=%2Fportlets%2Fmenu_inviaggio%2FgoRdsTmc

ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] R: Discriminare piu tracce

2012-03-29 Thread Alexander Roalter

Am 29.03.2012 18:55, schrieb Sergio Peduzzi:


Ma parlando di sentieri, è frequente che più sentieri per un pezzo si
sovrappongono


Questo non è consigliato. Se più sentieri hanno una traccia comune, nel 
database ci dovrebbe essere solo un way, ma con gli attributi di tutte 
le way,


Un esempio: ho una strada (highway=tertiary), che incontra un footway 
che diventa marciapiede, e poi si allontana. Può anche incontrare una 
ciclabile, che poi anche si allontana.


cosi hai all inizio tre way: highway=tertiary, highway=footway and 
highway=cycleway. Dove si incontrano, l'unica way diventa


highway=tertiary (la più importante rimane), foot=designated, 
cycle=designated


per poi separarsi ancora in tertiary, footway e cycleway.

Solo per il concetto, non sono sicuro se foot=designated e 
cycle=designated esistono come tag ufficiale.




ed io pensavo si potesse discriminare nella
sovrapposizione il sentiero interessato.

Buona serata

Sergio




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Re: [Talk-it] R: Discriminare piu tracce

2012-03-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 29. März 2012 19:30 schrieb Alexander Roalter alexan...@roalter.it:
 Am 29.03.2012 18:55, schrieb Sergio Peduzzi:
 Un esempio: ho una strada (highway=tertiary), che incontra un footway che
 diventa marciapiede, e poi si allontana. Può anche incontrare una ciclabile,
 che poi anche si allontana.

 cosi hai all inizio tre way: highway=tertiary, highway=footway and
 highway=cycleway. Dove si incontrano, l'unica way diventa

 highway=tertiary (la più importante rimane), foot=designated,
 cycle=designated


+1, quasi,
per le bici si usa bicycle

ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] Problemi PCN?

2012-03-29 Thread Milani Alessio

 Prova con questo URL:
 
 wms:http://wms.pcn.minambiente.it/ogc?map=/ms_ogc/WMS_v1.3/raster/ortofoto_
 c
 olore_06.mapFORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLa
 ye
 rs=OI.ORTOIMMAGINI.2006.33,OI.ORTOIMMAGINI.2006.32STYLES=SRS={proj}WIDT
 H= {width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}
 
 Ciao,
 Alberto

OK, funzia. Grazie a tutti.

Ciao
Alessio

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Re: [Talk-it] TMC in Italia

2012-03-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 29. März 2012 19:29 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
 Ragazzi, qual'è lo stato sul TMC in Italia? Questi dati qui sono utilizzabili?
 http://www.cciss.it/portale/cciss.portal?_nfpb=true_windowLabel=portletInstance_3portletInstance_3_actionOverride=%2Fportlets%2Fmenu_inviaggio%2FgoRdsTmc


sto chiedendo perchè c'è una nuova proposta che mi sembra meglio dei
vecchi tags (per adesso purtroppo solo in tedesco):
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Proposed_features/New_TMC_scheme

ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] TMC in Italia

2012-03-29 Thread Daniele Forsi
2012/3/29 Martin Koppenhoefer:

 Ragazzi, qual'è lo stato sul TMC in Italia? Questi dati qui sono utilizzabili?
 http://www.cciss.it/portale/cciss.portal?_nfpb=true_windowLabel=portletInstance_3portletInstance_3_actionOverride=%2Fportlets%2Fmenu_inviaggio%2FgoRdsTmc

me lo sono chiesto anche io, second [1]
l'uso del Database è gratuito, ma va autorizzato dal Ministero delle
Infrastrutture e dei Trasporti [...] scrivere a:

Ministero delle Infrastrutture e dei Trasporti

Dipartimento per i trasporti terrestri, la navigazione ed i sistemi
informativi e statistici

Direzione generale per la sicurezza stradale

tempo fa avevo cercato sul sito del Ministero ma c'erano troppi
dirigenti e mi sono perso :-D ero arrivato ai contatti di quella
Direzione qui
http://www.mit.gov.it/mit/site.php?p=cmo=vdid=214

siccome i dati italiani devono essere diffusi in tutta Europa in
teoria è possibile ottenerli anche dagli stati esteri (li avevo
trovati in Svezia ma la licenza era restrittiva)

da qualche parte ho piccolo script che imprta quei dati in Sqlite

[1] http://www.radio.rai.it/cciss/databasetmc.cfm

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Re: [Talk-co] foro de las tic--Bogota

2012-03-29 Thread Artesano
Yo voy a asistir. Haré llegar la propuesta de la cartografia libre y la
liberación de información cartográfica a la mesa que corresponda. Se tienen
previstas unas mesas de trabajo en las que se recojan propuestas de los
ciudadanos, para enriquecer el plan de desarrollo desde el sector TIC.
El 28/03/2012 21:14, Harrier Co harrie...@hotmail.com escribió:


 Buenos dias

 Mañana hay un foro de las TIC aqui en bogota, no se si alguien pueda ir,
 tampoco se  si en este foro se trate el tema de cartografia digital libre,
 pero ojala asi ocurriera.

 http://www.bogota.gov.co/portel/libreria/pdf/FOROdelasTIC.pdf


 http://www.participacionbogota.gov.co/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=2865:este-jueves-dc-radio-transmite-foro-de-tecnologias-de-la-informacioncatid=452:oacradio


 Disculpen la demora pero hasta hoy me entere o di cuenta.

 Harrierco

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Re: [Talk-dk] Adresser i OSM

2012-03-29 Thread Ivar Madsen

Ja, men det er vej nummer, der er tale om her i tråden,,,


Torsdag den 29. marts 2012 12:13:12 Morten Siebuhr skrev:
 Heps,
 
 Jævnfør Wikipedia, ligger der en god slat reelle postnumre under 1000:
 
 https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postnumre_i_Danmark#S.C3.A6rpostnumre_.28.3C_1
 000.29
 
 2012/3/28 Uffe Kousgaard u...@routeware.dk:
  Hej,
  
  Kan du ikke starte med at fjerne dem fra 990-999 ? Jeg har aldrig set
  andet end administrative adresser i det interval.
  
  Skulle der mod forventning dukke en reel adresse op, er det jo en smal
  sag at lave det om igen ved næste import fra OIS.
  
  Hilsen
  Uffe
  
  
  Peter Brodersen wrote:
  
  Hej,
  
  On 27 March 2012 10:39, Uffe Kousgaard u...@routeware.dk wrote:
  
  
  Nogen har lavet et script, der importerer adresser fra OIS til OSM. Kan
  dette script ikke modificeres, så administrative numre over 900
  udelades?
  
  Eksempel med adskillige adresser i en mose:
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=55.648029lon=12.098985zoom=18layers
  =M
  
  
  Det er mit script, og det kunne nok godt modificeres. Der har været
  nogle mystiske adressenumre, som nok er blevet brugt internt som
  koder, fx 888, 900, 991, m.m.
  
  Jeg skal bare være sikker på, at det ikke rammer nogen uskyldige. Et
  opslag i en anden adressedatabase fortæller, at samtlige husnumre fra
  1 til 999 er i brug i Danmark, men jeg ved ikke, om der ikke findes
  nogen reelle over 900.
  
  - Peter Brodersen

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Re: [Talk-dk] Adresser i OSM

2012-03-29 Thread Uffe Kousgaard




Husnummer for at vre helt prcis.

Vejkode (= street_no i OSM)
Husnummer
Postnummer
Kommunekode

Vejnummer er sdan noget som E66, O3 m.v. Gemt som "ref" i OSM.

Hilsen
Uffe

Ivar Madsen wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Ja, men det er vej nummer,
der er tale om her i trden,,,
  
  
  
  
  Torsdag den 29. marts 2012
12:13:12 Morten Siebuhr skrev:
   Heps,
   
   Jvnfr Wikipedia,
ligger der en god slat reelle postnumre under 1000:
   
  
https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postnumre_i_Danmark#S.C3.A6rpostnumre_.28.3C_1
   000.29
   
   2012/3/28 Uffe
Kousgaard u...@routeware.dk:
Hej,

Kan du ikke
starte med at fjerne dem fra 990-999 ? Jeg har aldrig set
andet end
administrative adresser i det interval.

Skulle der mod
forventning dukke en reel adresse op, er det jo en smal
sag at lave det
om igen ved nste import fra OIS.

Hilsen
Uffe


Peter Brodersen
wrote:

Hej,

On 27 March 2012
10:39, Uffe Kousgaard u...@routeware.dk wrote:


Nogen har lavet
et script, der importerer adresser fra OIS til OSM. Kan
dette script ikke
modificeres, s administrative numre over 900
udelades?

Eksempel med
adskillige adresser i en mose:
   
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=55.648029lon=12.098985zoom=18layers
=M


Det er mit
script, og det kunne nok godt modificeres. Der har vret
nogle mystiske
adressenumre, som nok er blevet brugt internt som
koder, fx 888,
900, 991, m.m.

Jeg skal bare
vre sikker p, at det ikke rammer nogen uskyldige. Et
opslag i en anden
adressedatabase fortller, at samtlige husnumre fra
1 til 999 er i
brug i Danmark, men jeg ved ikke, om der ikke findes
nogen reelle over
900.

- Peter Brodersen
  
  
  -- 
  
  
  Med venlig hilsen
  
  
  Ivar Madsen
  

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[Talk-dk] renderings fejl? (missing streets)

2012-03-29 Thread Joris Kofman
Hej folkens /lars



 Du lægger tags i databasen, for at et bestemt kvalitetssikringsværktøj
 ikke skal rapportere noget som en fejl. Det lyder omvendt, og forkert.
 Det er 'tagging for the renderer' [1].



 I dette tilfælde er det meget mere rigtigt hvis det var
 kvalitetssikringsværktøjet, der tog højde for den slags situationer,
 hvor der faktisk er 1,5km markvej ned til en vej med det samme vejnavn
 som adressen.

 For at komme lidt tættere på: Min indkørsel hedder ikke det samme som
 vejen for enden. Der er ingen skilte der siger det, og der er ingen
 blandt lokalbefolkningen der kalder den det. Så at lægge en name=mumle
 på min indkørsel er forkert.


Altså det vi bliver enige om her er at alle indkørsler skal være uden navn
og værktøjerne til at vurdere missing streets skal laves om så de vurderer
om der er en vej til adressen, ikke en vej med det rigtige navn til
adressen?

joris
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Re: [Talk-dk] renderings fejl? (missing streets)

2012-03-29 Thread Jonas Häggqvist

On 29-03-2012 13:23, Joris Kofman wrote:

Hej folkens /lars

Du lægger tags i databasen, for at et bestemt kvalitetssikringsværktøj
ikke skal rapportere noget som en fejl. Det lyder omvendt, og forkert.
Det er 'tagging for the renderer' [1].

I dette tilfælde er det meget mere rigtigt hvis det var
kvalitetssikringsværktøjet, der tog højde for den slags situationer,
hvor der faktisk er 1,5km markvej ned til en vej med det samme vejnavn
som adressen.

For at komme lidt tættere på: Min indkørsel hedder ikke det samme som
vejen for enden. Der er ingen skilte der siger det, og der er ingen
blandt lokalbefolkningen der kalder den det. Så at lægge en name=mumle
på min indkørsel er forkert.


Altså det vi bliver enige om her er at alle indkørsler skal være uden navn
og værktøjerne til at vurdere missing streets skal laves om så de vurderer
om der er en vej til adressen, ikke en vej med det rigtige navn til adressen?


Det vil jeg mene var en stor fejl. På den måde mister vi al information om 
vejnavne, og det er trods alt en vigtig ting at få med.


Noget man kunne gøre, men som jeg næppe tror jeg får gjort lige for det 
første, er at lave en funktion der i databasen (den lokale - ikke OSM) 
markerer service=driveway veje med navnet på den vej de er hæftet på. På 
den måde kan det vurderes selvom der ikke er et name=* tag på indkørslen i 
OSM. Det vil kræve en del krumspring, men kan godt laves.


Når det så er sagt så mener jeg nu personligt man kan forsvare at sætte et 
name=* tag på en indkørsel når den sniger sig op på flere hundrede meter. 
Ikke for at tilfredsstille nogen statistik, men fordi en så lang indkørsel 
i mit hoved godt kan få karakter af vej. Men det er nok en smags sag.


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Re: [Talk-dk] renderings fejl? (missing streets)

2012-03-29 Thread Niels Elgaard Larsen
Den 29-03-2012 17:24, Jonas Häggqvist skrev:
 On 29-03-2012 13:23, Joris Kofman wrote:
 Hej folkens /lars

 Det vil jeg mene var en stor fejl. På den måde mister vi al information
 om vejnavne, og det er trods alt en vigtig ting at få med.
 
 Noget man kunne gøre, men som jeg næppe tror jeg får gjort lige for det
 første, er at lave en funktion der i databasen (den lokale - ikke OSM)
 markerer service=driveway veje med navnet på den vej de er hæftet på.


Hvis der ikke er en i forvejen.
For der er nogle indkørsler der er hæftet på flere veje, hvilket er en
god grund til at navngive indkørslen.

 På den måde kan det vurderes selvom der ikke er et name=* tag på
 indkørslen i OSM. Det vil kræve en del krumspring, men kan godt laves.
 
 Når det så er sagt så mener jeg nu personligt man kan forsvare at sætte
 et name=* tag på en indkørsel når den sniger sig op på flere hundrede
 meter. Ikke for at tilfredsstille nogen statistik, men fordi en så lang
 indkørsel i mit hoved godt kan få karakter af vej. Men det er nok en
 smags sag.


Jeg er enig.
Min GPS angiver navnet på den vej jeg kører på. Når jeg kører på en lang
indkørsel vil jeg godt vide om jeg er på rette vej.


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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Island House

2012-03-29 Thread Ed Loach
I was in Wolverhampton last week end, and pointed out a big gap to
my wife saying “that was where I used to go for photocopying”. I
then noticed the building was on OSM, so retagged it by removing the
building tag but adding a note, so no-one is tempted to retrace it.
Really, I should have extended the adjacent car park area too, but
wasn’t paying enough attention to be sure whether it does take in
all the area once occupied by the building or not.

 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/86886162

 

Ed

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 28 March 2012 20:06
To: Andy Mabbett
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Island House

 

Hi Andy

 

I'm the guilty party!  I use  this tag regularly to stop the
building being rendered but to denote a previous bdg. I'll add
Landuse=brownfield as suggested

 

Regards

 

Brian

On 28 March 2012 17:51, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
wrote:

The much-talked about Island House, in Birmingham's Eastside, is
now, controversially, demolished, and someone has tagged it
'building:demolished=yes'. Is that correct? Or should it be
building=demolished, or some other tag?


 

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Re: [Talk-es] [Imports] Fwd: Re: Spanish cadastre

2012-03-29 Thread Carlos Dávila

El 29/03/12 02:46, Simó Albert i Beltran escribió:

Hola,

[...]

Yo también estoy aqui porque mi ciudad no estaba o estaba de forma
muy precaria en OSM. Me pasé un verano muy entretenido buscando mapas
del Plan de Ordenacion Urbanistica, tomando nota de nombres de calles,
dando dos vueltas en cada glorieta para desesperación de la parienta
y saliendo a las dos de la madrugada de casa para hacer una traza con
el GPS y dibujar en el JOSM después.

Cuando me dijeron que muchos de los datos que había subido se
'perderían' al ser sustituidos conforme se dispusiera de fuentes de
datos mas fidedignas me pareció bien. Es normal. Yo lo hago porque me
divierto, pero también porque es útil para los demás. Hay quien se
divierte tirando contenedores de basura o rompiendo cristales, pero yo
creo que lo de dvertirte y aportar algo es como más
 satisfactorio.

Y una parte de la satisfacción es que sea útil, y en el mapa eso es
que sea exacto y completo. Y aunque en el OSM perfecto de dentro de
muchos años no quede ni un solo bit de los que yo en su dia haya
aportado, seguirá siendo obra mía, me sentiré participe de la
empresa y autor de esa obra.

[...]

Yo conocí openstreetmap.org usando openlayers.org programando para 
graciasensefils.net una red ciudadana. No hago grandes aportaciones, o 
mejor dicho no considero que haga grandes aportaciones. Pueden ver mis 
changesets y valorar ustedes mismos si son grandes o pequeños...  
Aquí estoy porquè me gustan los sistemas de participacion abierta. 
Sobretodo por dos razones, la primera, me gusta poder modificar yo 
mismo aquello que veo que no es correcto. Por otro lado me gusta que 
se reconozcan y valoren esas aportaciones que he hecho. Como Roberto 
no me importa que cualquiera modifique los datos que he introducido 
para mejorarlos. Me gusta que pueda hacerlo de la misma forma que lo 
he hecho yo. No passa nada si inconscientemente estropea o empeora los 
datos que he introducido meticulosamente dedicando un apreciado 
tiempo. Creo que todos podemos cometer errores y de ellos podemos 
aprender. Si hay suficiente massa critica estos errores se solventan 
rápidamente.


Las importaciones masivas pueden ser interesantes, pero tambien pueden 
agregar un monton de errores que necessitan de una gran cantidad de 
trabajo para ser detectados y solventados. Creo que no nos podemos 
permitir que una importación masiva destruia trabajo echo de forma 
cuidadosa creiendo que los datos importados son mejores que los 
recopilados de la observación directa. Creo que mucha gente que haya 
dedicado horas en introducir datos puede desanimarse si ven que su 
trabajo ha sido substituido por otro de menor calidad.  Por ejempo, he 
visto que el cadastro tiene pistas rurales que no existen o que el 
trazado no se ajusta a la realidad, edificios que han sido 
ampliados... Tambien puede desmotivar el hecho de introduzir uno a uno 
los datos que se han verificado mentras que por otro lado se 
introducen miles de datos sin contrastar. Para que voy a ir a recorer 
esta zona apuntando los datos si quizas un dia se introduciran unos 
parecidos pero todos de golpe...
Sé que el montón de mensajes que ha habido sobre el tema de catastro ha 
desanimado a muchos a leerlos. pero estáis comentando algo que se ha 
quedado claro en el debate habido en ese montón de mensajes y que 
conviene recordar: los datos de catastro no se van a importar a mogollón 
tal como están. La herramienta que se está desarrollando (cat2osm) hará 
la conversión de datos de catastro a OSM, pero *siempre* se deben editar 
y contrastar antes de subirlos a osm, preferiblemente por alguien que 
conozca la zona. *No se va a borrar nada que ya exista* y que tenga más 
calidad que los datos de catastro. Se deben contrastar los datos 
existentes y los de catastro antes de hacer la importación. En [1] se ha 
tratado de explicar esto un poco.
[1] 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cat2Osm#.C2.BFQu.C3.A9_se_va_a_importar.3F


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Re: [Talk-es] [Imports] Fwd: Re: Spanish cadastre

2012-03-29 Thread Pedro-Juan Ferrer Matoses
Antes de que la discusión se vaya de las manos.

No parece que el camino que está proponiendo sea el de importar
masivamente, hasta ahora, y corregidme si me equivoco, se está
hablando de usar la herramienta para convertir MUNICIPIO a MUNICIPIO y
evaluar en cada caso qué se importa y que no.

Habrá sitios en los que será necesario importarlo todo y habrá sitios
que solos los edificios y habrá sitios en los que solo algunas partes,
lo jodido en este caso es que en España hay 8200 municipios y eso van
a ser MUCHAS horas de trabajo para la comunidad.

Yo no creo que se vaya a perder comunidad si de la noche a la mañana,
zonas que aún están en blanco aparecen con calles y edificios,
Catastro no lo tiene TODO, siguen habiendo MUCHA faena como recoger
Puntos de Interés, comercios, restricciones de giro ...

¿o es que acaso en sitios donde hay imports masivos (Alemania, EEUU,
Holanda) la comunidad ha desaparecido? NO, se han dedicado a MEJORAR
el mapa, que es lo que hace falta.

Importar los datos de catastro va  a mejorar MUCHO la visibilidad de
OSM y cuando te ve más gente hay más gente que colabora, eso es
matemática pura.

Un saludo,



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Valencia (España)

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Re: [Talk-es] Aviso: caída de servicio en abril por cambio de licencia

2012-03-29 Thread Jaime Crespo
Los modified se revertirán a la última versión limpia. Con los created,
se debería preguntar: es posible que se conserven si las modificaciones no
limpias hechas no se conserban en la versión actual.

Ante la duda, aconsejaría borrar y recrear sin basarse en ninguna versión
sucia.

Por cierto, que en a coruña hay edicuones mías borradas y plagiadas por
otros usuarios. Quizá os sirvan.

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Re: [Talk-es] [Imports] Fwd: Re: Spanish cadastre

2012-03-29 Thread Jaime Crespo
El 29/03/2012 12:08, Pedro-Juan Ferrer Matoses veh...@gmail.com
escribió:

 Antes de que la discusión se vaya de las manos.

 No parece que el camino que está proponiendo sea el de importar
 masivamente, hasta ahora, y corregidme si me equivoco, se está
 hablando de usar la herramienta para convertir MUNICIPIO a MUNICIPIO y
 evaluar en cada caso qué se importa y que no.

 Habrá sitios en los que será necesario importarlo todo y habrá sitios
 que solos los edificios y habrá sitios en los que solo algunas partes,
 lo jodido en este caso es que en España hay 8200 municipios y eso van
 a ser MUCHAS horas de trabajo para la comunidad.

 Yo no creo que se vaya a perder comunidad si de la noche a la mañana,
 zonas que aún están en blanco aparecen con calles y edificios,
 Catastro no lo tiene TODO, siguen habiendo MUCHA faena como recoger
 Puntos de Interés, comercios, restricciones de giro ...

 ¿o es que acaso en sitios donde hay imports masivos (Alemania, EEUU,
 Holanda) la comunidad ha desaparecido? NO, se han dedicado a MEJORAR
 el mapa, que es lo que hace falta.

 Importar los datos de catastro va  a mejorar MUCHO la visibilidad de
 OSM y cuando te ve más gente hay más gente que colabora, eso es
 matemática pura.

+1

Y sólo añadir que si la complejidad de editar aumenta, entonces hay que
mejorar las herramientas, no borrar los datos.

Dejemos los problemas técnicos para quien los tenga que solucionar (creo
que se puede mejorar mucho en este campo), y las decisiones basadas en los
datos para la comunidad.

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Re: [Talk-es] [Imports] Fwd: Re: Spanish cadastre

2012-03-29 Thread Matías Taborda Barroso
Hola.

Por aportar otra opinión, no nueva sino en sintonia con las últimas
intervenciones.

En primer lugar tener claro que NO SE TRATA DE UNA IMPORTACIÓN MASIVA. Va a
pasar como en todo lo relacionado con OSM. Cada cual nos descargaremos
nuestro pueblecito, el de los papis, familiares o los que conozcamos
principalmente y trabajaremos sobre ello. Vamos, lo normal.

Cito según wikipedia **Steve Coast funda OpenStreetMap en respuesta a los
altos precios que cobraba la Ordnance
Surveyhttp://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey,
la agencia cartográfica de Gran
Bretañahttp://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Breta%C3%B1a,
por su información geográfica.* *

Estamos continuamente hablando sobre la liberación de los datos por parte
de las administraciones, así que ahora que existe la posibilidad, pienso
que sería mala idea no aprovecharla (vete a saber alomejor de aquí a nada
se vuelve a cortar el grifo).

Que habrá datos malos en catastro, pues sí, y en google maps y en
Openstreetmap y en todos lados. Pero pienso que la proporción de buena
información que nos suministra catastro es superior a la errónea.

En cuanto a que la importación atraerá a más comunidad o la alejará, no
estoy muy seguro, el tiempo dirá. Pero hay que reconocer que hasta ahora la
masa crítica de mapeadores en España es más bien escasa. Un dato, hace un
año, antes de la importación de los datos de poblaciones del IGN, sólo en
capitales de municipio, faltaban más de 1500 núcleos urbanos y algunos
bastante grandes...
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Re: [Talk-es] [Imports] Fwd: Re: Spanish cadastre

2012-03-29 Thread David
Es curioso que alguien haya mencionado graciasensefils.net, porque yo
empecé con OpenLayers a partir de ese ejemplo (quise saber cómo estaba
hecho), aunque con OSM llevaba ya un tiempo mapeando cosas que faltaban en
mi ciudad.
Resulta que graciasensefils.net está integrado dentro de guifi.net, una
red de redes ciudadana, y resulta que un vecino mío ha estado trabajando
sobre la aplicación de los mapas de Guifi.net http://guifi.net/es/maps,
que ahora funciona sobre Google. Debido al cambio de licencia de Google se
están planteando migrar a algo mejor (gratuito, libre): OSM.
Una de las pegas para hacer el cambio es que muchos pueblos no están
mapeados aún, y como estas redes se suelen instalar en pueblos pasar a OSM
no sería viable, a no ser que mejorase mucho la calidad de los mapas. Los
errores serían tolerables, pero al menos el pueblo debe aparecer.

Es un ejemplo más de cómo la importación de datos del Catastro puede atraer
el interés de otras comunidades (miles de personas en este ejemplo). Seguro
que más de uno se aficiona a OSM después de ver que su pueblo tiene algún
error.


Lo de la complejidad es algo que se debería corregir en la herramienta, eso
sí.
Yo por ejemplo hace tiempo mapee mi
manzanahttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.994133lon=-0.036436zoom=18layers=My
es como 10 veces más simple de lo que saca cat2osm.
Cat2osm probablemente habría separado cada segmento de cada edificio y a
cada uno les habría hecho formar parte de 10 relaciones distintas (lo he
llegado a ver en otros pueblos).



El 29 de marzo de 2012 12:23, Jaime Crespo jy...@jynus.com escribió:

 El 29/03/2012 12:08, Pedro-Juan Ferrer Matoses veh...@gmail.com
 escribió:

 
  Antes de que la discusión se vaya de las manos.
 
  No parece que el camino que está proponiendo sea el de importar
  masivamente, hasta ahora, y corregidme si me equivoco, se está
  hablando de usar la herramienta para convertir MUNICIPIO a MUNICIPIO y
  evaluar en cada caso qué se importa y que no.
 
  Habrá sitios en los que será necesario importarlo todo y habrá sitios
  que solos los edificios y habrá sitios en los que solo algunas partes,
  lo jodido en este caso es que en España hay 8200 municipios y eso van
  a ser MUCHAS horas de trabajo para la comunidad.
 
  Yo no creo que se vaya a perder comunidad si de la noche a la mañana,
  zonas que aún están en blanco aparecen con calles y edificios,
  Catastro no lo tiene TODO, siguen habiendo MUCHA faena como recoger
  Puntos de Interés, comercios, restricciones de giro ...
 
  ¿o es que acaso en sitios donde hay imports masivos (Alemania, EEUU,
  Holanda) la comunidad ha desaparecido? NO, se han dedicado a MEJORAR
  el mapa, que es lo que hace falta.
 
  Importar los datos de catastro va  a mejorar MUCHO la visibilidad de
  OSM y cuando te ve más gente hay más gente que colabora, eso es
  matemática pura.

 +1

 Y sólo añadir que si la complejidad de editar aumenta, entonces hay que
 mejorar las herramientas, no borrar los datos.

 Dejemos los problemas técnicos para quien los tenga que solucionar (creo
 que se puede mejorar mucho en este campo), y las decisiones basadas en los
 datos para la comunidad.

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Re: [Talk-es] Aviso: caída de servicio en abril por cambio de licencia

2012-03-29 Thread Simó Albert i Beltran

Hola,


El usuario de Coruña es Froster. ¿Algún Froster en la sala?


Puedes mandarle un mensaje directamente desde:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/message/new/Foster

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Re: [Talk-es] Aviso: caída de servicio en abril por cambio de licencia

2012-03-29 Thread Simó Albert i Beltran

A 2012-03-30 01:36, Simó Albert i Beltran escrigué:

Hola,


El usuario de Coruña es Froster. ¿Algún Froster en la sala?


Puedes mandarle un mensaje directamente desde:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/message/new/Foster


Perdón:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/message/new/Froster


Hasta pronto.



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Re: [Talk-es] Aviso: caída de servicio en abril por cambio de licencia

2012-03-29 Thread Simó Albert i Beltran

Hola,


http://www.openstreetmap.org/message/new/Froster [1]


Se lo envié ayer, ¿le llegará un aviso al correo?


Si, se le manda el mensaje a la dirección de correo que dejo en el 
perfil de su usuario.


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Re: [Talk-es] Aviso: caída de servicio en abril por cambio de licencia

2012-03-29 Thread José Manuel Díaz Soriano
El 30 de marzo de 2012 02:22, Simó Albert i Beltran s...@probeta.netescribió:

 Hola,

  Estoy viendo que algunos datos que estoy seguro que cree yo, aparecen
 en ese enlace como creados por otro usuario, esto es debido a
 ediciones posteriores de ese usuario? se van a borrar esos datos o se
 van ha deshacer?


 Fíjate si el historial de estos datos dice que fuiste el creador.

  Si se van a borrar, ... No seria mejor deshacer los cambios de
 usuarios que no han aceptado la nueva licencia?


 No se si hay un sito donde de exponga exactamente que se va a borrar.
 Pero en varios sitios pone que datos son susceptibles de ser borrados.
 En el siguiente enlace hay una buena explicación de como considerarlo:

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/Open_Data_License/What_**is_clean%3Fhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/What_is_clean%3F


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[Talk-ee] 1. Aprill ja sellega seonduv (ja asi on naljast kaugel)

2012-03-29 Thread Mihkel Rämmel
Natukene infot:
1-4 aprill tõstetakse OpenStreetMapi andmebaas uude masinasse ümber. Sel
ajal on API ainult loetav, st. muudatusi üles laadida ei saa.
Peale uude serverisse ümberkolimist hakatakse koheselt uue litsentsiga
mittesobivaid andmeid kustutama.
Täpsemalt saab sellest lugeda:
http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2012/03/27/service-schedule-march-april-2012/

Kellel aega ja tahtmist leidub, siis kuni pühapäeva hommikuni saab veel
asju uuesti kaardistada. Seda, mis vajab uuesti kaardistamist, näeb OSM
Inspectori lehelt:
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=25.00470lat=58.83734zoom=7opacity=0.78overlays=overview,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_clean,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_inrelation,wtfe_line_inrelation_cp,wtfe_line_inrelation,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created

Kui kellegil on väga palju närvi, siis võib tegeleda ka Kose ümbrusega.
Kuigi lihtsam on vist sealse alaga tegeleda peale kustutamisprotsessi
lõppu. Kasutajale Nikeo saatsin küll veel ühe kirja, kuid kahtlen, kas
sellest midagi muutub.

PS!  Alates aprillist kuni kustutamisprotsessi lõpuni diffe ei genereerita!
st. maakaart.ee lehel kaart sellel ajal ei uuene. Samuti tuleb peale seda
teha andmebaasi uuesti importimine.

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Re: [Talk-at] VoGIS Daten

2012-03-29 Thread Lukas Bischof
Hallo Christoph!

Danke, hab mir gedacht, fragen kostet nix und wenn die das Zeug schon
so freizügig hergeben... ;)

Bis die VoGIS die Nutzungsbestimmungen auf die CC umgestellt hat, muss
natürlich die Lizenzfrage geklärt werden, allerdings dürfte die
Verwendung der Daten überhaupt kein Thema sein, wie vorhin erwähnt
lässt sich mit denen wunderbar reden.

Die Geodaten kommen dabei allerdings nicht vom Vorarlberg Atlas,
sondern direkt von vogis.cnv.at respektive den WMS-Server, die sie
bereitstellen.

Adressdaten sind soweit ich weiß, da noch nicht dabei, da müsste man
noch mit ihnen reden, vielleicht lässt sich da auch noch etwas machen.

lg


Am 29. März 2012 07:31 schrieb Christoph Lingg christ...@komoot.de:
 Echt klasse Lukas, dass du die Initiative ergriffen hast!

 Mir ist noch unklar, ob _alle_ Dienste des Vorarlberg-Atlas verwendet werden
 können. Es gäbe zum Beispiel auch die Adressdaten womit wir Gebäude mit
 Hausnummern versehen könnten.

 Gruß

 Lukas Bischof lukas.bisc...@gmail.com schrieb:


 Alter Verwalter, ihr seid fix!

 Eigentlich wollte ich mir das heute abend in aller Gemütlichkeit reinziehen,
 aber da ward ihr wohl schneller. Hochachtung!

 Ich habe den WMS-Dienst schon vor Monaten einmal mit Quantum GIS und dem
 OSM-Plugin ausprobiert und da hats mit der Projektion wunderbar
 funktioniert, ich dachte mir, das funktioniert besser. Getestet hab ich es
 anhand der Gemeindegrenzen und den Luftbildern, die da mit OSM schön
 zusammengepasst haben.

 Die Luftbilder sind meines Wissens nach zumindest ähnlich aktuell wie die
 von Geoimage, nachdem die ja immer die Daten der Länder-GIS bekommen. Ich
 hab selber einmal für die Arbeit von der Geoimage einen regionalen
 Bildersatz angefordert und dabei hat man mich auf die DORIS verwiesen. Erst
 wenns länderüberschreitend wird, gibts die Daten von der Geoimage.

 Interessant bei den VoGIS-Daten könnten die Winterbilder sein, die gerade im
 Wintertourismus vielleicht Details offenlegen, die die Sommerbilder nicht
 zeigen. Auch die historischen Karten und die topografischen Wanderkarten
 enthalten sicher interessante Informationen, die gerade für den Tourismus
 interessant sein könnten.



 Am 28. März 2012 23:59 schrieb Boris Cornet bor...@osm-at.org:

 Schönen guten Tag!

 Oh, da hab ich die Flinte zu früh ins Korn geworfen!
 Du hast recht, EPSG:4326 geht! [*Luftsprung*]

 Na, dann werde ich mich mal daran machen, dem WMS eine wiki-Seite zu
 widmen: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Austria/vogis

 Heute (28. März) um 23:42 tippte Simon Legner:
  Hallo!

  On 28/03/12 23:24, Boris Cornet wrote:
  Auch hier ist die Enttäuschung groß. Obwohl im GetCapabilities-Request
  auch EPSG:3785 angegeben ist (entspricht EPSG:3857, dem Klassiker),
  gibt es nur eine Fehlermeldung: msProcessProjection(): Projection
  library error.

  Die einzige Projektion, die zu gehen scheint, ist EPSG:31254 (GK
  Austria West), die nicht für die Editoren geeignet ist. Selbst
  Merkaartor, der in dieser Hinsicht sehr flexibel ist, schafft es zwar,
  die Bilder zu laden, aber sie sind ca. 100m versetzt und vermutlich
  auch leicht verdreht.

  Interessant, denn mit JOSM gibt es diesbezüglich keine Schwierigkeiten:
  Die Anfragen werden mit EPSG:4326 geschickt und in der willkürlich
  ausgewählten Gemeindeteil Tisis von Feldkirch kann ich keine
  Abweichungen erkennen (getestet mit Grundstueck-Flaechen und den
  Luftbildern ef2009_25cmm).

  Grüße
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Re: [Talk-at] VoGIS Daten

2012-03-29 Thread Lukas Bischof
Guten Morgen Kollegen!

Ich habe heute um 9:00 unverhofft einen Anruf von Herrn Johannes
Kanonier bekommen, der im Landesvermessungsamt sitzt.

Nur soviel: Die Leute bei der VoGIS arbeiten schon länger intern mit
OSM-Karten, die sie per OpenLayers einbinden und sie wollten eh schon
länger einmal hier etwas mehr Resourcen reinstecken, ist aber im
Tagesgeschäft bisher untergegangen.

Herr Kanonier hat sich jetzt gedacht, meine Mail nimmt er als Anlass,
hier einmal etwas mehr zu tun, da das Land Vorarlberg momentan am
Projekt Open Government Data arbeitet und da für die VoGIS-Leute auch
OSM sehr interessant ist.

Aktuell wird bereits an einer Lizenzänderung gearbeitet, das heißt von
den proprietären Nutzungsbedingungen hin zur CC-Lizenz Namensnennung,
wobei er gleich dazu erwähnt hat, dass ihm natürlich klar ist, dass
man für OSM sicher eine Lösung finden kann, weil da natürlich nicht
auf der Karte der Datenlieferant stehen kann.

Also wie bereits erwähnt, sie stehen dem sehr offen gegenüber, sind
begeistert von der beachtlichen Kartenqualität, die teilweise
kommerzielle Anbieter überbietet.

Die VoGIS hat kein Problem, Vektordaten freizugeben, allerdings hat er
mit Rasterdaten noch Probleme, da (ich versuche, die richtige
Formulierung zu finden) einige Interessensvertreter noch nicht damit
einverstanden sind. Grundsätzlich war aber die allgemeine Haltung sehr
sehr positiv.

Nun kommt allerdings mein Problem:
Ich bin zwar Vorarlberger, aber nicht mehr sehr oft dort. Mit meiner
Mail habe ich einfach einmal vorgefühlt und mir eigentlich nicht
wirklich gedacht, dass dort bereits so intensives Interesse an OSM
besteht ;)
Als Ortskundiger bin ich natürlich bereit, so aktiv wie es mir nur
geht, an einer Zusammenarbeit mitzuwirken, allerdings wäre ich um
einige aktive Vorarlberger Mapper froh, weil die natürlich sehr schön
einen direkten Draht zu den Leuten in Feldkirch knüpfen können.

Am 29. März 2012 07:31 schrieb Christoph Lingg christ...@komoot.de:
 Echt klasse Lukas, dass du die Initiative ergriffen hast!

 Mir ist noch unklar, ob _alle_ Dienste des Vorarlberg-Atlas verwendet werden
 können. Es gäbe zum Beispiel auch die Adressdaten womit wir Gebäude mit
 Hausnummern versehen könnten.

 Gruß

 Lukas Bischof lukas.bisc...@gmail.com schrieb:


 Alter Verwalter, ihr seid fix!

 Eigentlich wollte ich mir das heute abend in aller Gemütlichkeit reinziehen,
 aber da ward ihr wohl schneller. Hochachtung!

 Ich habe den WMS-Dienst schon vor Monaten einmal mit Quantum GIS und dem
 OSM-Plugin ausprobiert und da hats mit der Projektion wunderbar
 funktioniert, ich dachte mir, das funktioniert besser. Getestet hab ich es
 anhand der Gemeindegrenzen und den Luftbildern, die da mit OSM schön
 zusammengepasst haben.

 Die Luftbilder sind meines Wissens nach zumindest ähnlich aktuell wie die
 von Geoimage, nachdem die ja immer die Daten der Länder-GIS bekommen. Ich
 hab selber einmal für die Arbeit von der Geoimage einen regionalen
 Bildersatz angefordert und dabei hat man mich auf die DORIS verwiesen. Erst
 wenns länderüberschreitend wird, gibts die Daten von der Geoimage.

 Interessant bei den VoGIS-Daten könnten die Winterbilder sein, die gerade im
 Wintertourismus vielleicht Details offenlegen, die die Sommerbilder nicht
 zeigen. Auch die historischen Karten und die topografischen Wanderkarten
 enthalten sicher interessante Informationen, die gerade für den Tourismus
 interessant sein könnten.



 Am 28. März 2012 23:59 schrieb Boris Cornet bor...@osm-at.org:

 Schönen guten Tag!

 Oh, da hab ich die Flinte zu früh ins Korn geworfen!
 Du hast recht, EPSG:4326 geht! [*Luftsprung*]

 Na, dann werde ich mich mal daran machen, dem WMS eine wiki-Seite zu
 widmen: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Austria/vogis

 Heute (28. März) um 23:42 tippte Simon Legner:
  Hallo!

  On 28/03/12 23:24, Boris Cornet wrote:
  Auch hier ist die Enttäuschung groß. Obwohl im GetCapabilities-Request
  auch EPSG:3785 angegeben ist (entspricht EPSG:3857, dem Klassiker),
  gibt es nur eine Fehlermeldung: msProcessProjection(): Projection
  library error.

  Die einzige Projektion, die zu gehen scheint, ist EPSG:31254 (GK
  Austria West), die nicht für die Editoren geeignet ist. Selbst
  Merkaartor, der in dieser Hinsicht sehr flexibel ist, schafft es zwar,
  die Bilder zu laden, aber sie sind ca. 100m versetzt und vermutlich
  auch leicht verdreht.

  Interessant, denn mit JOSM gibt es diesbezüglich keine Schwierigkeiten:
  Die Anfragen werden mit EPSG:4326 geschickt und in der willkürlich
  ausgewählten Gemeindeteil Tisis von Feldkirch kann ich keine
  Abweichungen erkennen (getestet mit Grundstueck-Flaechen und den
  Luftbildern ef2009_25cmm).

  Grüße
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Re: [Talk-at] Änderungssatz 10395909 rückgängig machen

2012-03-29 Thread Günther Schörghofer
Hallo Armin,

danke für die Korrektur und die Erklärung!

Schöne Grüsse,
Günther

Am 28.03.12 schrieb Armin Schuchter mail@marchmol.at:
 Hi,

 ich habe das mit JOSM und dem Reverter Plugin [1] gemacht. Das kann sich
 jeder installieren. Ob und wie das mit anderen Editoren geht, kann ich dir
 nicht sagen.
 Wie in der Hilfe [2] beschrieben, sollte man dies jedoch nur in klaren
 Situationen anwenden.

 Da es beim Hochladen ein Koflikt gab habe ich mir den Changeset manuell
 auf der OSM-Webseite [3] angeschaut, um die Änderungen/Konflikte ausfindig
 zu machen. Dadurch bin ich dann zu der Information von mdk gekommen, der
 dies in seinem Changeset-Kommentar [4] angemerkt hat.

 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Reverter
 [2]
 http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/731/how-can-i-revert-a-changeset
 [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10395909
 [4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/0771

 Gruß
 Armin

 On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:22:31 +0200, Markus Straub
 markus.straub...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 darf man fragen wie du das gemacht hast? Gibt's dazu eine API womit
 jeder Changesets rückgängig machen kann oder braucht man dazu spezielle
 Rechte im OSM-Ökosystem?

 LG,
 Markus

 On 03/28/2012 09:48 AM, Armin Schuchter wrote:
 Hallo,

 ich habe den Changeset zurückgesetzt.
 Teile davon sind schon von Benutzer mdk zurückgesetzt worden.

 Armin

 On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 07:47:22 +0200, Günther Schörghofer
 guent...@schoerghofer.at wrote:

 Hallo,

 vor 2 Monaten hat ein neuer User ein paar Wege in Feldkirch aus
 Versehen durcheinandergebracht. Gemäss Antwort auf meinen Hinweis
 wollte er nur etwas nachsehen, und wäre froh wenn sich seine
 ungewollte Änderung rückgängig machen ließe

 Ich kenne mich damit nicht aus und möchte nachfragen, ob sich der
 Zustand vor Änderungssatz 10395909 (auf dessen Basis noch keine
 weiteren Bearbeitungen erfolgt sind) ohne allzugrossen Aufwand wieder
 herstellen lässt?

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Re: [Talk-at] Fwd: Verwendung der Geodaten für das OSM-Projekt.

2012-03-29 Thread Boris Cornet
Schönen guten Tag!

Gestern (Mi, 28. März 2012) verlautete Lukas Bischof:
 Hier ist die Antwort von der VoGIS. Reicht das?

Für das WMS reicht es allemal. Aber es kommen mir Zweifel, ob es auch
für die Shapefiles gilt, die leider nicht ausdrücklich erwähnt werden.

Sollte jemand also wirklich einen Import vorhabe, dann wird es wohl
notwendig sein, mit detaillierter Beschreibung des Vorhabens
nocheinmal anzufragen.


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 Von: Studer Martin martin.stu...@vorarlberg.at
 Datum: 28. März 2012 09:19
 Betreff: AW: Verwendung der Geodaten für das OSM-Projekt.
 An: lukas.bisc...@gmail.com lukas.bisc...@gmail.com
 Cc: Kanonier Johannes johannes.kanon...@vorarlberg.at


 Sehr geehrter Herr Bischof,
  
 Sie können die Daten für OSM nutzen. Neben geoimage stellen auch wir WMS 
 Dienste zur Verfügung.
  
 http://www.vorarlberg.at/vorarlberg/bauen_wohnen/bauen/vermessung_geoinformation/weitereinformationen/services/wmsdienste.htm
  
 Mit freundlichen Grüßen 
 Martin Studer
  
  
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 Von: Lampert Brigitte Im Auftrag von ZZP Landesvermessungsamt
 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. März 2012 07:44
 An: Studer Martin
 Cc: Kanonier Johannes
 Betreff: WG: Verwendung der Geodaten für das OSM-Projekt.


  

 Von: Lukas Bischof [mailto:lukas.bisc...@gmail.com] 
 Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2012 15:04
 An: ZZP Landesvermessungsamt
 Betreff: Verwendung der Geodaten für das OSM-Projekt.


 Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

 ich engagiere mich seit einiger Zeit für das Projekt OpenStreetMap,
 das Ihnen wahrscheinlich nicht unbekannt sein dürfte.
 Da ich mich auch in der Arbeit aktuell mit Geodaten und den
 Nutzungsbedingungen beschäftige, habe ich mich auch mit den Daten
 gespielt, die Sie auf vogis.cnv.at frei zur Verfügung stellen. Der
 eine oder andere Datensatz ist auch für das OpenStreetMap-Projekt
 wertvoll (ich denke da insbesondere an die Gemeindegrenzen, die
 nicht deckungsgleich sind), daher habe ich mir die
 Nutzungsbedingungen durchgelesen und wollte jetzt einmal nachfragen,
 ob es vielleicht möglich ist, Ihre zur Verfügung gestellten Daten
 für das OSM-Mapping zu verwenden. Mir fällt insbesondere Punkt 1.3
 auf, der so wahrscheinlich auch für das OSM-Projekt schlagend wird
 aber leider in dieser Form nicht für das Projekt OpenStreetMap realisiert 
 werden kann.

 Ich denke, dass die Qualität der OSM-Karten in Vorarlberg mit den
 Daten noch einmal ordentlich verbessern werden könnte. Gerade der
 Tourismus könnte beispielsweise sehr von einer guten
 OpenStreetMap-Karte profitieren. Ich bin aktuell mit dem Mapping in
 Lech beschäftigt, da ich aus dem Ort komme, kann ich auch problemlos
 mit dem WMS-Dienst von Geoimage.at mappen. Allerdings glaube ich,
 dass die von Ihnen zur Verfügung gestellten Daten eine zusätzliche
 Erleichterung darstellen und hoffe, dass wir eine Einigung finden können.


 Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
 Lukas Bischof


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[Talk-at] Gebietskörperschaften

2012-03-29 Thread Stephan Plepelits
Hi!

Bezug nehmend auf mein Mail letzens hab ich beschlossen, die Places in
österreich besser zu dokumentieren. Dafür hab ich eine Wikiseite erstellt,
die nicht nur eine Dokumentation des derzeit verwendeten Tagging-Schemes
sein soll (soweit ich das beurteilen konnte, ich konnte keine Informationen
finden, außer das, was sowieso in der Karte ist), sondern auch ein
Vorschlag, wie wir das Zukunft handhaben wollen. V.a. bezüglich der
Gemeinde- und Ortschaftskennziffern, die für die Verknüpfung mit anderen
Daten wichtig ist (die mit minimaler Information bereits dokumentiert waren
- da hab ich aber noch nichts geändert).

Auf der Diskussionsseite gibts demnach auch ein paar Punkte, die wir noch
diskutieren sollten.

Desweiteren hab ich eine Auswertung aller Place-Nodes und
Boundary-Polygone in Österreich erstellt, die täglich aktualisiert wird.
Zu finden auf http://www.openstreetbrowser.org/check-at
Vergleiche zwischen OSM und Statistik Austria Daten sind geplant, gibts
aber noch nicht.

gruesse,
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Re: [Talk-at] Gebietskörperschaften

2012-03-29 Thread Andreas Labres
Hallo Stephan!

Nur mal so grundsätzlich:

place=locality ist ein Name, der keinen Siedlungsbezug hat. Flurname, Waldname,
sowas. Aber kein Siedlungsname.

Und die place-Größenordnungen stehen nicht direkt in Beziehung zur
administrativen Gliederung. Sondern sind durch die Größe der Besiedlung gegeben.
Es gibt Ortschaften von hamlet bis city. Und es gibt Stadtteilnamen (zB in Wien
ca. die Katastralgemeinden), die alle als suburb getaggt sind.

Für kleine Grätzel, die kein Stadteil sind, ist noch neighbourhood vorgeschlagen
und recht sinnvoll. Demgegenüber ist hamlet eine kleine Siedlung (Rotte, Weiher,
was es da halt so für Siedlungsformen gibt). Das hat in der Stadt überhaupt nix
zu suchen!

Und region sollte man überhaupt nicht verwenden, weil das im Nominatim kaputt
ist. Und sonst isses auch irgendwie unnötig.

Aber jedenfalls darf man so ein Kochrezept so nicht ins Wiki stellen, weil sonst
kommt wieder jemand daher und taggt alles um, weil im Wiki steht doch. Bitte
entkopple Admin-Boundaries und place nodes gedanklich... Wenn, dann machen wir
zukünftig eine Verbindung zwischen Admin-Boundary und place node über eine
Gemeinde-Relation, mit border und label und admin_centre und wasweißich für 
roles.

Und nochwas: jede Ortschaft im Ortschaftsverzeichnis hat zwei Nummern,
einerseits eine 5stellige OKZ und anderseits eine 5stellige GKZ + plus eine
zweistellige Durchnummerierung innerhalb der Gemeinde.

Und noch-nochwas: ref=MD für den Bezirk Mödling (das Autokennzeichen).

Ich hatte Dir das Beispiel heute eh schon geschrieben:

GKZ:
  3 ... Niederösterreich
  3|17 ... Bezirk Mödling (MD)
  3|17|26 ... Gemeinde Wienerwald
  3|17|26|05 ... Stangau
OKZ:
  05162 ... Stangau

Und die Gemeinde Wienerwald ist deswegen ein gutes Beispiel: es gibt keine
Ortschaft Wienerwald!!

Das Gemeindeamt ist in Sulz (GKZ: 3|17|26|06, OKZ: 05163).

Die Gemeinden sind im Wiki unter
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AT/$BUNDESLAND/Gemeinden
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AT/Nieder%C3%B6sterreich/Gemeinden
(also zB http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AT/Niederösterreich/Gemeinden
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AT/Nieder%C3%B6sterreich/Gemeinden) zu 
finden.

Servus, Andreas

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Re: [Talk-at] Gebietskörperschaften

2012-03-29 Thread Andreas Labres
On 29.03.12 16:53, Andreas Labres wrote:
 Wenn, dann machen wir zukünftig eine Verbindung zwischen Admin-Boundary und
 place node über eine Gemeinde-Relation, mit border und label und
 admin_centre und wasweißich für roles.

Eigentlich gar nicht notwendig: Man findet die Dinge eh über die GKZ zusammen.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] FranceTopo: Message à destination du pirate breton qui se reconnaîtra

2012-03-29 Thread Gilles Bassière
Le mercredi 28 mars 2012 à 14:44 -0700, PierreV a écrit :
 Au fait, à l'attention de Pierre-André Le Ny:
 je ne pense pas que l'espèce visé n'est pas l'origine géographique, mais
 plutôt les personnes mal intentionnés et doués en informatique... qui sont
 plus communément appelés pirates ou hackeurs ;-)

Rho... Je n'imaginais pas que ce triste amalgame puisse se répandre
jusque sur cette liste.

Je suis un hacker ! Et bien des contributeurs à OSM le sont aussi. C'est
terrible d'être confondu avec des pirates ou des gens malveillants alors
que l'on s'investit avec passion dans un projet pour construire un bien
commun. Vos mots me brisent le cœur...

Je me doute que l'intention n'est pas mauvaise. Mais, par amalgame, vous
dénigrez des gens aiment apprendre, comprendre, partager et mettre leur
compétence au service des valeurs qui les animent. Alors, s'il vous
plaît, prenez le temps de lire et comprendre ce bref article :
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker
et cessez de confondre les termes de pirate et de hacker.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Google Map Maker arrive en France !

2012-03-29 Thread Florian LAINEZ
bon je me suis motivé pour faire la synthèse de ce que je pense de Map
Maker.
N'hésitez pas à réagir sur mon blog :
http://www.nouslesgeeks.fr/2012/03/29/lapport-de-google-map-maker-a-la-neogeographie/

++

Le 28 mars 2012 10:57, Julien Angot angot.jul...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Ah oui normalement c'était ce lien
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.4351667165756lon=1.09029650688171zoom=18

 Le 28 mars 2012 09:57, claude marani claude.mar...@gmail.com a écrit :



 Le 20 mars 2012 11:14, Marc SIBERT m...@sibert.fr a écrit :

 Ca mérite un article sur osm.fr :

 Bonjour

 Attention, le lien pointe sur Ouest Structures métalliques qui est
 propriétaire du nom de domaine OSM.FR

 Je pense que tu voulais dire openstreetmap.fr

 cordialemnt
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Responsable du SIG de l'agglo d'Arles recherche contact OSM

2012-03-29 Thread Sylvain Maillard
Il faut pardonner au métro qu'est Gilles, il voulait bien entendu parler de
la plus grande commune de France métropolitaine ... Arles n'est que la
27ème commune française lorsqu'on prend en compte toutes les territoires
d'outre-mer (
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_communes_fran%C3%A7aises_par_superficie
)

Il faut dire qu'on est pas peut fier dans les Bouches-du-Rhône de
positionner 2 communes parmi les 50 plus vastes de France ;)
certes loin derrière la Guyane et la Nouvelle Calédonie ...


Sylvain


Le 29 mars 2012 05:18, Hendrik Oesterlin hendrikmail2...@yahoo.de a écrit
:


 Le 29/03/2012 à 03:10:48 +1100 Charles Nepote char...@nepote.org
 a écrit au sujet de [OSM-talk-fr] Responsable du SIG de l'agglo d'Arles
 recherche contact OSM:

  un territoire très étendu (Arles est la plus grande commune de France)

 Yaté est deux fois plus grand, et je crois vraiment la plus grande
 commune française. ;-)

 http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yat%C3%A9

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] FranceTopo: Message à destination du pirate breton qui se reconnaîtra

2012-03-29 Thread Pierre-André Le Ny
Bonjour,


 Au fait, à l'attention de Pierre-André Le Ny:
 je ne pense pas que l'espèce visé n'est pas l'origine géographique, mais
 plutôt les personnes mal intentionnés et doués en informatique... qui
 sont
 plus communément appelés pirates ou hackeurs ;-)


Merci pour cette précision.

Je le crois également, du moins je l’espère, mais si j'ai parlé d'amalgame
c'est que j'ai trouvé que l'idée était mal exprimée.
Pour le reste, même si le type est un breton, je le défendrai pas pour
autant.

Ensuite, je rejoins l'idée de P.Verdy sur l'inutilité du message. Si
plainte doit être déposée, qu'elle le soit.

Bon courage et bonne chance.

Kenavo




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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] FranceTopo: Message à destination du pirate breton qui se reconnaîtra

2012-03-29 Thread Vincent Pottier

Le 29/03/2012 11:26, Gilles Bassière a écrit :

Le mercredi 28 mars 2012 à 14:44 -0700, PierreV a écrit :

Au fait, à l'attention de Pierre-André Le Ny:
je ne pense pas que l'espèce visé n'est pas l'origine géographique, mais
plutôt les personnes mal intentionnés et doués en informatique... qui sont
plus communément appelés pirates ou hackeurs ;-)

Rho... Je n'imaginais pas que ce triste amalgame puisse se répandre
jusque sur cette liste.

Je suis un hacker ! Et bien des contributeurs à OSM le sont aussi. C'est
terrible d'être confondu avec des pirates ou des gens malveillants alors
que l'on s'investit avec passion dans un projet pour construire un bien
commun. Vos mots me brisent le cœur...

Je me doute que l'intention n'est pas mauvaise. Mais, par amalgame, vous
dénigrez des gens aiment apprendre, comprendre, partager et mettre leur
compétence au service des valeurs qui les animent. Alors, s'il vous
plaît, prenez le temps de lire et comprendre ce bref article :
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker
et cessez de confondre les termes de pirate et de hacker.


+1 !
Je n'avais pas répondu, mais j'avais eu la même réaction par rapport à 
l'amalgame.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] FranceTopo: Message à destination du pirate breton qui se reconnaîtra

2012-03-29 Thread Philippe Verdy
Oui mais un hacker intelligent évite de perturber les systèmes qu’il
utilise. Sinon il ne mérite pas ce titre, c’est juste un gêneur (pour
être poli). En revanche je ne vois pas à quel titre on emm*de tous
les autres avec un message aussi agressif et menaçant en page
d’accueil d’un site. Puisque de toute façon l’utilisateur en question
a été bloqué (avec des milliers d’autres) par la mesure prise.

Mieux vaut mettre sur le site une section actualités avec une page
d’infos ou de discussion sur une partie blogue, et permettant aussi de
recueillir ce que d’autres pourraient proposer pour régler le problème
d›une meilleure façon, et envisageant de discuter une politique
publique sur l’utilisation raisonnable du site (une politique
actuellement absente), acceptable selon les contraintes techniques de
ce site.

Le 29 mars 2012 11:26, Gilles Bassière gbassi...@gmail.com a écrit :
 Le mercredi 28 mars 2012 à 14:44 -0700, PierreV a écrit :
 Au fait, à l'attention de Pierre-André Le Ny:
 je ne pense pas que l'espèce visé n'est pas l'origine géographique, mais
 plutôt les personnes mal intentionnés et doués en informatique... qui sont
 plus communément appelés pirates ou hackeurs ;-)

 Rho... Je n'imaginais pas que ce triste amalgame puisse se répandre
 jusque sur cette liste.

 Je suis un hacker ! Et bien des contributeurs à OSM le sont aussi. C'est
 terrible d'être confondu avec des pirates ou des gens malveillants alors
 que l'on s'investit avec passion dans un projet pour construire un bien
 commun. Vos mots me brisent le cœur...

 Je me doute que l'intention n'est pas mauvaise. Mais, par amalgame, vous
 dénigrez des gens aiment apprendre, comprendre, partager et mettre leur
 compétence au service des valeurs qui les animent. Alors, s'il vous
 plaît, prenez le temps de lire et comprendre ce bref article :
 http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker
 et cessez de confondre les termes de pirate et de hacker.

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[OSM-talk-fr] sites web de transports en commun

2012-03-29 Thread Nicolas Dumoulin
Bonjour,

Plusieurs infos au sujet des transports en commun.

Sur les sites de la T2C (Transports en Commun de Clermont-Ferrand) et Tisséo 
(Toulouse), un service d'itinéraire affiche la gare de départ et d'arrivée sur 
un fond OSM avec Openlayers.
http://www.tisseo.fr/
http://www.t2c.fr/
Un aperçu :
http://osm.dumoulin63.net/t2c_1.png

À Grenoble, un autre service plus complet prend en compte l'intermodalité. Ils 
n'utilisent pas les données OSM, mais seulement des tuiles, mais peut-être que 
ça pourrait être envisageable, cf. ce commentaire sur linuxfr :
https://linuxfr.org/nodes/90063/comments/1335698

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Responsable du SIG de l'agglo d'Arles recherche contact OSM

2012-03-29 Thread Nicolas Moyroud


  
  


Le 29/03/2012 05:18, Hendrik Oesterlin a crit:

  Yat est deux fois plus grand, et je crois vraiment la plus grande
commune franaise. ;-)

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yat%C3%A9


En fait non, ce n'est pas la plus grande.  :-) 
"La commune la plus tendue de Nouvelle-Caldonie, Yat (1 356 km),
est la 15e de France en termes de superficie, venant derrire
quatorze communes de Guyane."
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_communes_de_la_Nouvelle-Cal%C3%A9donie


  


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Apport du GeoFLA pour les nodes place

2012-03-29 Thread Frédéric Rodrigo
Bonjour,
Intéressant et visuel.
Petit problème avec certain caractères comme œ (comme Sallebœuf dans
le 033). Et aussi le contours des départements avec des île, mais
c'est ça moins important.

Frédéric.

Le 29 mars 2012 06:51, Vincent de Chateau-Thierry v...@laposte.net a écrit :
 Bonjour,

 Le 29/03/2012 00:39, Cyrille Giquello a écrit :

 Salut,

 J'ai aussi fait l'exercice ;-)
 http://lab.cyrille.giquello.fr/carto/CommunesDB/web/MissingCommunes

 Bien, les 4 catégories de communes : c'est synthétique comme il faut.

 Une question sur les données : tu mentionnes en rouge ou jaune (donc sans
 relation) des communes qui ont depuis longtemps une relation admin. Il faut
 à la relation des caractéristiques particulières pour passer en bleu ou vert
 ? Des exemples sur la Vendée, le Tarn, l'IDF...

 Souci sur les départements avec une apostrophe dans leur nom : le clic sur
 leur nom ne marche pas : 21, 22, et 95 :-)


 Et toi Vincent, as-tu avancé sur ta page ? Quelles nouveautés ?


 Oui, je devrais vous proposer quelque chose dans la journée.

 vincent


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