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Re: [talk-cz] Newsletter jaro 2019

2019-04-07 Thread Miroslav Suchy

Dne 07. 04. 19 v 21:52 majka napsal(a):
> Za mě: ptám se tímto již po několikáté, zda to někde už máme sepsané 
> (nezávisle na tom, co ten příští týden já osobně
> pošlu do světa). Zatím jsem se odpovědi nikde nedopátrala, takže jsem získala 
> dojem, že ten přehled současných
> schválených dat nikde není, jen se dotyčný vždy pochlubil tady. Pletu se nebo 
> ne?

IMHO se nepletes.

Ta schvalena data by - za mne - bylo asi fajn vest tady:
  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Czech_Republic

Mirek

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Re: [OSM-ja] OSMのマッピングパーティ立ち上げましたー。

2019-04-07 Thread Takahisa TAGUCHI


田口です。

こちらのイベントページですが、ナバウアさんからわたしに別途相談があって、
「首都圏マッピングパーティ」をもとに雛形を作成してしまったため、
結果的に山下さんのページにも似た形式になってしまいました。

わたしから山下さんへ一言お伝えすればよかったのですが
事後となってしまってすみませんでした、、、



On 2019/04/08 6:11, kazsanInaba wrote:

ナバウアです。

山下さん
大変申し訳ございません。

使用した雛形に、自分も気づかずに、
許可もなく、一言も言わずに山下さんのものを引用してしまいました。
事前にお願いすることをしなかったことをお詫びいたします。

事後となりますが、掲載させていただきます。

もし不都合がありましたら、修正いたします。

よろしくお願いいたします。





On 2019/04/08 5:58, kazsanInaba wrote:

ナバウアです。

山下さん
リンクの件ありがとうございます。

On 2019/04/07 22:27, yasunari yamashita wrote:

山下です。こんにちわ。

リンク、
404 not found ですね。
正しくは
https://connpass.com/event/126467


// 私のイベントページ、コピーして使っていただいても構いませんが、
// 事前に一言、いただきたかったです

2019年4月7日(日) 21:38 kazsanInaba :

ナバウアです。

OSMのマッピングパーティ立ち上げましたー。

https://connpass.com/event/126467/join/complete/

皆様どうぞお越しくださいー。

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Re: [OSM-ja] Fwd: highway=cyclewayをwikiのjapan_taggingに追記したい

2019-04-07 Thread Satoshi IIDA

いいだです。

明確にルールあるかは調べないとですが、内容に変更あるわけではなく、記載の明確化ですので、よいのではないでしょうか。




2019年4月8日(月) 12:58 Zoar. :

> ぞあ.です。
>
>
> 提案プロセスに詳しい方に伺いたいのですが、4/5の石野さんからのメールで「投票開始後に提案ページを編集してもよいか」という投げかけがありましたが、こちらについて編集は可能なのでしょうか?
>
> >   これについてはhayashiさんと議論の上、 Impliesにはcarriage=yes,
> > agricultural=yesを含めないという提案内容とすることにしました。
> >
> > 提案ページの「Tagging(タグ付け)／議論点」および「要議論項目」の部分を整理して、案が１つに決まっていることを明確化したい
> > とも思うのですが、既に投票を始めてしまった段階で、ページの変更をしても良いものなのでしょうか。
> >
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:提案プロセス
> > には、
> > 「この時点から、ページにある提案はただひとつだけで、それ以降は変更してはなりません。これにより今何が投票されているのかが明らかになるのです。」
> > とありますが、提案そのものを変更するのでなければ、投票開始後でもページを編集してよいということになるのでしょうか。
>
> MLへの投稿から案2への提案ということはわかりますが、提案のページに明記された状態で投票を行いたいと考えています。
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Re: [OSM-ja] Fwd: highway=cyclewayをwikiのjapan_taggingに追記したい

2019-04-07 Thread Zoar.


ぞあ.です。

提案プロセスに詳しい方に伺いたいのですが、4/5の石野さんからのメールで「投票開始後に提案ページを編集してもよいか」という投げかけがありましたが、こちらについて編集は可能なのでしょうか?


  これについてはhayashiさんと議論の上、 Impliesにはcarriage=yes,
agricultural=yesを含めないという提案内容とすることにしました。

提案ページの「Tagging(タグ付け)／議論点」および「要議論項目」の部分を整理して、案が１つに決まっていることを明確化したい
とも思うのですが、既に投票を始めてしまった段階で、ページの変更をしても良いものなのでしょうか。

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:提案プロセス
には、
「この時点から、ページにある提案はただひとつだけで、それ以降は変更してはなりません。これにより今何が投票されているのかが明らかになるのです。」
とありますが、提案そのものを変更するのでなければ、投票開始後でもページを編集してよいということになるのでしょうか。


MLへの投稿から案2への提案ということはわかりますが、提案のページに明記された状態で投票を行いたいと考えています。

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Re: [OSM-ja] Fwd: highway=cyclewayをwikiのjapan_taggingに追記したい

2019-04-07 Thread Satoshi IIDA

いいだです。
なるほど了解しました。
Voteして、賛成にしました！

2019年4月7日(日) 23:01 石野貴之 :

> 石野です。
>
> ＞ 木下さん
> ありがとうございます。
> 事後報告になり申し訳ありませんが、貴重なご意見ですので、提案の議論ページ
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_Japan_tagging/Road_types_2/cycleway
> に転載させていただきました。問題があれば削除いたしますので、お知らせください。
>
> 2019年4月7日(日) 20:59 Spinnet :
>
>>
>> cyclewayもしくはサイクリングロードに関して、特に河川沿いの道路、管理道路の扱いに疑問を感じました。
>>
>
> 今回の提案では、自転車専用道路のみをhighway=cyclewayとするようにしていますので、
> 河川管理道路は当初より議論の対象としていませんでした。
> しかし、Japan_taggingの全体の体系において河川管理道路をどう位置づけるかは 別途議論する必要があるかもしれません。
> 個人的にはhighway=pathかなあとは思います。
>
>> これもオープンデータに対して素人意見であることをご了承ください。
>>
>> そこで、必要なのは（１）普通自転車か（２）それ以外の自転車も通行できる道路なのか、（３）歩行者との共存か（４）自転車のみか、という区分があると良いのではないかと感じました。
>>
> 本提案の目的はまさに(3)(4)を区別することにあります。
> 一方で、(1)(2)はかなり重大な問題です。先にhayashiさんがまとめられた車両種別の割り当て
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Japan_tagging/Access_transportation_mode
> では、bicycleを普通自転車とすることになっていますが、普通自転車以外の自転車については
> ほとんど議論されていなかったのではないでしょうか。
>
>
>>
>> 考え方として４つ揚げましたが、実際には｢cycleway(+)｣等として＋ーの属性によって（ア）車道の様に積極的に利用されるべき道路と（イ）自歩道の様に抑制のある道路、という２つの区分が必要だろうと思います。
>>
>> 特に（イ）の抑制には自転車への障害という意味を含めることができます。歩行者に注意すること以外にも、行く先の階段、歩道橋、管理道路では車止めの存在を示すことができます。
>>
> 車止めなどの障害を表すbarrier=*タグが既に広く使われています。
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:Key:barrier
> 階段もhighway=stepsという専用タグがすでにあります。そのため、+-の属性について別途新しいタグ付けを議論する必要性は薄いと考えています。
>
> 石野 貴之
> yumean1...@gmail.com
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Re: [OSM-ja] Windows 版 JOSMで使うJava

2019-04-07 Thread 石野貴之

石野です。

2019年4月8日(月) 7:28 ribbon :

> Oracle版Java(JRE)の無償サポートが終わってしまったので、
> 別のJavaに切り換えないと駄目なのですが、他のJREを
> Windows版でお使いの方いらっしゃるでしょうか。
>
> 詳しくないので間違っていたらごめんなさい。
自分は、サポートが有料になるのは開発環境(Java SE)であって、
一般の利用者が用いるJREではないと理解しています。

Oracle公式のJava SE Subscriptions:
https://www.oracle.com/java/java-se-subscription.html

ブログ「IT小僧の時事放談」による解説:
https://ityarou.com/ithoudan0261/

ちなみに、自分の用いているJREのバージョンを調べると
「バージョン8 ビルド191」でした。

石野 貴之
yumean1...@gmail.com

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[Talk-pt] DESAFIO MENSAL - Açores 2

2019-04-07 Thread Nuno Caldeira

A nova missão nos Açores já está a decorrer para algumas ilhas do grupo 
central. Utilizar a imagem Digital Globe Premium (é a mais recente). 
Grelha da missão em https://tarefas.openstreetmap.pt/project/5


Tutorial como adicionar edificado no JOSM https://youtu.be/tELDooPvJ0s

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[OSM-talk] (no subject)

2019-04-07 Thread Shreyansh Jain

Please unsubscribe my email.
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Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread john whelan

This is good we have a quality control mechanism even if it is a blunt
instrument, and we think the risk is low on the TRA side.

Thank you for your input.

Cheerio John

On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 at 19:07, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 07/04/2019 23:37, john whelan wrote:
>
> > Developing an editor requires making decisions and having opinions on
> OSM tagging. This in turn means getting it wrong sometimes.
>
> ...
> With something like iD spoon feeding new mappers with suggested presets
> the impact is much greater if something isn't quite right or the
> "directions" are not crystal clear and let's face it not all mapper's first
> language is English and reading through instructions is not fashionable in
> some quarters.
>
> That's not borne out by what I see with a DWG hat on - we get to see quite
> a lot of complaints about problems caused by new mappers, and complaints
> about mistagging due to an editor preset in iD is pretty rare.  New mappers
> making faux pas due to misunderstanding JOSM, on the other hand, is pretty
> common.  That doesn't mean that one editor is inherently "good" and the
> other "bad" - they're different tools for different jobs.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] emergency:hydrant:puisage:bleu

2019-04-07 Thread marc marc

Bonsoir,

Le 08.04.19 à 01:14, Nicolas Moyroud a écrit :
>> emergency=fire_hydrant + fire_hydrant:type=suction_point.

non documenté dans la dernière maj de la page anglaise

> fire_hydrant:pressure = suction 

documenté donc cela me semble le mieux niveau utilisation des données.
surtout qu'il existe des points d'aspiration enterré
emergency=fire_hydrant + fire_hydrant:type=underground + 
fire_hydrant:pressure = suction

Cordialement,
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] emergency:hydrant:puisage:bleu

2019-04-07 Thread Nicolas Moyroud


Salut,


En clair soit il y a une bouche incendie sans pression et alors c'est 
emergency=fire_hydrant + fire_hydrant:type=suction_point.


OK + le tag de préconisé par Vincent : fire_hydrant:pressure = suction 
ou c'est pas la peine ?


Soit c'est un endroit où on peut mettre un tuyau/une pompe mais sans 
équipement prévu pour connecter un tuyau et alors c'est 
emergency=suction_point.



OK merci.

a+

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Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread Andy Townsend


On 07/04/2019 23:37, john whelan wrote:
> Developing an editor requires making decisions and having opinions 
on OSM tagging. This in turn means getting it wrong sometimes.


...
With something like iD spoon feeding new mappers with suggested 
presets the impact is much greater if something isn't quite right or 
the "directions" are not crystal clear and let's face it not all 
mapper's first language is English and reading through instructions is 
not fashionable in some quarters.


That's not borne out by what I see with a DWG hat on - we get to see 
quite a lot of complaints about problems caused by new mappers, and 
complaints about mistagging due to an editor preset in iD is pretty 
rare.  New mappers making faux pas due to misunderstanding JOSM, on the 
other hand, is pretty common.  That doesn't mean that one editor is 
inherently "good" and the other "bad" - they're different tools for 
different jobs.


Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread john whelan

> Developing an editor requires making decisions and having opinions on OSM
tagging. This in turn means getting it wrong sometimes.

There is a concept of Threat Risk Assessment which more or less says to
manage risk you take into account the impact if it goes wrong.  If we have
individual mappers making decisions on tags then if they get one wrong no
big deal the impact on the overall map is small.

With something like iD spoon feeding new mappers with suggested presets the
impact is much greater if something isn't quite right or the "directions"
are not crystal clear and let's face it not all mapper's first language is
English and reading through instructions is not fashionable in some
quarters.

I have two thoughts one is simply we have discussed the matter and accepted
that the TRA is acceptable, the other comes back to your point about
decisions being made.  Should there be a reviewing committee before
implementation? This is a more formal approach than OSM has traditionally
taken but we have grown in size and perhaps it is time to be more formal
for somethings these days.

Cheerio John

On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 at 18:23, Paul Norman  wrote:

> JOSM has also done the same, and gone farther with creating new tags on
> its issue tracker.
>
> Developing an editor requires making decisions and having opinions on OSM
> tagging. This in turn means getting it wrong sometimes.
>
> On Apr 7, 2019 5:43 AM, John Whelan  wrote:
>
> I note that the matter has been raised in talk-de and mentioned in osm
> weekly.
>
> Tagging is not always easy, but I do have concerns when iD is so commonly
> used but the recommended tags do not align with OpenStreetMap I'll say
> normals.
>
> Specifically one of my concerns is a semi-detached house is not recognised
> in iD only the more general tag house.
>
> JOSM I think is much more open than iD but given the way OpenStreetMap
> functions I suspect ID is a much more closed environment.
>
> For example JOSM has the buildings_tool plugin, Africa has a large number
> of odd shaped buildings mapped in iD.
>
> Thoughts ladies and gentlemen?
>
> Thanks John
>
>
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[OSM-ja] Windows 版 JOSMで使うJava

2019-04-07 Thread ribbon

Oracle版Java(JRE)の無償サポートが終わってしまったので、
別のJavaに切り換えないと駄目なのですが、他のJREを
Windows版でお使いの方いらっしゃるでしょうか。

JOSMのページを見るとJava 11でも動くと書いてあったので、
Oracle以外のJavaでも大丈夫だと思うのですが。

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Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread Paul Norman via talk

JOSM has also done the same, and gone farther with creating new tags on its issue tracker.Developing an editor requires making decisions and having opinions on OSM tagging. This in turn means getting it wrong sometimes.On Apr 7, 2019 5:43 AM, John Whelan  wrote:
I note that the 
matter has been raised in talk-de and mentioned in osm weekly.Tagging
 is not always easy, but I do have concerns when iD is so commonly used 
but the recommended tags do not align with OpenStreetMap I'll say 
normals.  Specifically one of my concerns is a semi-detached 
house is not recognised in iD only the more general tag house.JOSM
 I think is much more open than iD but given the way OpenStreetMap 
functions I suspect ID is a much more closed environment.  For 
example JOSM has the buildings_tool plugin, Africa has a large number of
 odd shaped buildings mapped in iD.Thoughts ladies and 
gentlemen?Thanks John-- 
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Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread Mateusz Konieczny




Apr 7, 2019, 2:43 PM by jwhelan0...@gmail.com :

> I suspect ID is a much more closed environment.  
>
(...)

>
> Thoughts ladies and gentlemen?
>
Have you tried opening issue on iD bugtracker?

See https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD 

Complaining on mailing list should be never done before exhausting more 
productive
methods for solving problems.
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Re: [talk-cz] Newsletter jaro 2019

2019-04-07 Thread majka

Já trochu pochybuji o tom, že tohle je věc "pro nováčky". Ten problém totiž
často nastává v okamžiku, kdy nováček (nebo i někdo z nás) začne opravovat
cesty, a neúmyslně vyháže část z té relace tím, že to neopraví (neposune
existující) ale kus vymaže a zmapuje znovu.
Počítám, že nováčkovi, i pokud projde část trasy, brzy dojde trpělivost se
hrabat s relací trasy. V čem pomůže, že to projde, když nebude vědět, co s
tím dál? Takže to skončí tím, že si jednou někdo udělal výlet.
Těch jednoznačných případů, kdy to nováček zvládne zmapovat - tedy že se
nebudou muset stříhat cesty a ta relace trasy bude sama o sobě přehledná,
zase tolik nebude.

Podařilo se mi to nedávno rozbít taky, díky tomu, že cesta zmapovaná jinde
byla přilepená jako jedna hrana naprosto nesmyslného multipolygonu "tráva",
co byl schovaný v místě té skutečné polňačky (což je taky mimořádné
svinstvo na opravu). A to mám většinou v JOSM zobrazené i ty trasy. V
konkrétním případě jsem tu trasu jednoduše přehlédla.

On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 at 23:35, Pavel Machek  wrote:

> Mame nejake turisticke znacky co je potreba projit, v nejakych
> rozumnych dylkach... jako 5 km? To uz je vhodna vec na vylet .. vhodna
> i pro novacky :-)
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Wochennotiz Nr. 454 26.03.2019–01.04.2019

2019-04-07 Thread Wochennotizteam

Hallo,

die Wochennotiz Nr. 454 mit vielen wichtigen Neuigkeiten aus der
OpenStreetMap-Welt ist da:

http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2019/04/wochennotiz-nr-454/

Wusstet ihr, dass ihr auch selbst Meldungen für die Wochennotiz
einreichen könnt, ohne Mitglied zu sein?  Einfach auf
https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login mit eurem OSM-Benutzerkonto
anmelden und dann den Gastzugang benutzen.

Viel Spaß beim Lesen

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Re: [talk-cz] Newsletter jaro 2019

2019-04-07 Thread Pavel Machek

Ahoj!

> 
> Na řadě míst jsou trasy nelineální nebo rozpadlé na několik kusů. Je celkem
> humus to opravovat a to i pro zkušeného mappera. Nejsnažší je pomoc u
> jasných krátkých mezer na trasách, které lze zacelit i "podle satelitu".
> Jejich seznam se aktualizuje na http://znacky.kub.cz 
> 
> - to mě napadá jako praktický příklad té "jiné metriky".
> 
> Pavlovi to přijde moc prodrobné a chápu to, jen nechci vzbuzovat přílišnou
> euforii, že "je hotovo". Ale asi mi stačí když to zatzní tady na email listu
> :)

No jo, ale newsletter se snazi nalakat novacky... a tohle je ukol
"humus to opravovat a to i pro zkušeného mappera".

Mame nejake turisticke znacky co je potreba projit, v nejakych
rozumnych dylkach... jako 5 km? To uz je vhodna vec na vylet .. vhodna
i pro novacky :-).

Mame nejaky odhad kolik kilometru turistickych cest chybi v osm?

Pavel
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Re: [OSM-ja] OSMのマッピングパーティ立ち上げましたー。

2019-04-07 Thread kazsanInaba


ナバウアです。

山下さん
大変申し訳ございません。

使用した雛形に、自分も気づかずに、
許可もなく、一言も言わずに山下さんのものを引用してしまいました。
事前にお願いすることをしなかったことをお詫びいたします。

事後となりますが、掲載させていただきます。

もし不都合がありましたら、修正いたします。

よろしくお願いいたします。





On 2019/04/08 5:58, kazsanInaba wrote:

ナバウアです。

山下さん
リンクの件ありがとうございます。

On 2019/04/07 22:27, yasunari yamashita wrote:

山下です。こんにちわ。

リンク、
404 not found ですね。
正しくは
https://connpass.com/event/126467


// 私のイベントページ、コピーして使っていただいても構いませんが、
// 事前に一言、いただきたかったです

2019年4月7日(日) 21:38 kazsanInaba :

ナバウアです。

OSMのマッピングパーティ立ち上げましたー。

https://connpass.com/event/126467/join/complete/

皆様どうぞお越しくださいー。

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[Talk-at] OSM Stammtisch Obersteiermark

2019-04-07 Thread gppes_osm

Liebe Kollegen,

kommenden Donnerstag (11.4.) gibt es wieder den obersteirischen OSM Stammtisch, 
Details findet man hier:

https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=60095

Lg, Gppes

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Re: [OSM-ja] OSMのマッピングパーティ立ち上げましたー。

2019-04-07 Thread kazsanInaba


ナバウアです。

山下さん
リンクの件ありがとうございます。

On 2019/04/07 22:27, yasunari yamashita wrote:

山下です。こんにちわ。

リンク、
404 not found ですね。
正しくは
https://connpass.com/event/126467


// 私のイベントページ、コピーして使っていただいても構いませんが、
// 事前に一言、いただきたかったです

2019年4月7日(日) 21:38 kazsanInaba :

ナバウアです。

OSMのマッピングパーティ立ち上げましたー。

https://connpass.com/event/126467/join/complete/

皆様どうぞお越しくださいー。

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Re: [talk-cz] Newsletter jaro 2019

2019-04-07 Thread Jan Macura

On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 at 21:53, majka  wrote:

> Počítala jsem, že za sebe budu generovat přímo tabulku, kterou vždy
> nakopíruji do nějaké konkrétní webové stránky na wiki. Stejně bychom to tam
> měli mít uváděné.
>

+1


> Za mě: ptám se tímto již po několikáté, zda to někde už máme sepsané
> (nezávisle na tom, co ten příští týden já osobně pošlu do světa). Zatím
> jsem se odpovědi nikde nedopátrala, takže jsem získala dojem, že ten
> přehled současných schválených dat nikde není, jen se dotyčný vždy
> pochlubil tady. Pletu se nebo ne?
>

Na wiki je AFAIK jen toto:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:WikiProjekt_%C4%8Cesko/freemap

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Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread Yuri Astrakhan

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 1:48 PM john whelan  wrote:

> Tagging is not always easy, highways in Africa are an example.  See a dirt
> track in Europe and its probably a highway=track.  In Africa it probably
> isn't.
>

A "road is a highway" is confusing because the word "highway" has a
different meaning depending on the region. Yet, tagging should not be
ambiguous -- the whole idea about tagging is so that I (the consumer) can
understand what you (the mapper) meant in the most precise way.  A good
example is "denomination=evangelical" -- German speakers should not use it
for "evangelisch" which stands for denomination=protestant. The word may be
the same, but we treat "evangelical" as an ID for a specific meaning,
rather than reflect local language customs.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] massifs arbustifs et/ou de fleurs

2019-04-07 Thread marc marc

Le 07.04.19 à 22:12, deuzeffe a écrit :
> On 07/04/2019 21:57, marc marc wrote:
> 
>> pour les zones d'arbuste landcover=scrub

> Un jour, les landcover seront rendus ?
> 
> (ou on demande à Christian de le mettre dans le rendu fr pour convaincre 
> le reste du monde à faire pareil ? :P)

osm-be envisager de le faire, ce serrait sensé de partager le même 
commit pour éviter de faire 2 fois les choses et s'enrichir mutuellement.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] massifs arbustifs et/ou de fleurs

2019-04-07 Thread deuzeffe


On 07/04/2019 21:57, marc marc wrote:


pour les zones d'arbuste landcover=scrub


Un jour, les landcover seront rendus ?

(ou on demande à Christian de le mettre dans le rendu fr pour convaincre 
le reste du monde à faire pareil ? :P)


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] massifs arbustifs et/ou de fleurs

2019-04-07 Thread marc marc

Le 07.04.19 à 21:35, Ralf Treinen a écrit :
> leisure=garden
> access=no
> car il s'agit à mon avis bien du jardinage, sauf que ce n'est pas
> fait pour se promener dedans.

c'est sympa comme combinaison pour avoir un rendu.
mais leisure=* est supposé être un endroit oü on passe du temps
de loisir. passer mon dimanche au milieu du rond-point,
cela me tente pas trop :)
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] massifs arbustifs et/ou de fleurs

2019-04-07 Thread marc marc

landuse=village_green est en effet une mauvaise idée.
le tag décrit plusieurs choses différente :
- le sens uk initial est la place du village qui semble typiquement
être avec un bout de verdure mais pas toujours (parfois c'est un parc 
avec un grand lac)
c'est donc un mélange de leisure et operator:type voir de access=*
- par extension certains l'ont utilisé hors uk pour dire que c'est un 
coin de verdure ou que c'est un espace public ou un mélange.

pour un parterre de fleur, landuse=flowerbed me semble une mauvaise idée
car ce n'est pas une utilisation du terrain mais sa couverture
donc landcover=flowerbed

pour les zones d'arbuste landcover=scrub

Le 07.04.19 à 13:38, Stéphane Péneau a écrit :
> Si je lis le wiki, ça me semble une mauvaise idée :
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dvillage_green
> 
>> Bonjour
>>
>> Je les tague comme "espace vert" => landuse=village_green , les 
>> végétaux et autres décorations pouvant changer selon les envies des 
>> jardiniers de "La ville". Je l'utilise généralement pour ce qui est 
>> entretenu par "La ville".
>>
>> Cyrille37.
>>
> 
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Re: [talk-cz] Newsletter jaro 2019

2019-04-07 Thread majka

Ten dokument není můj, a bránila jsem se mu co to šlo.

Do tabulek to rozhodně dávat nechci, fakt na to nechci využívat dokumenty
Google v jakékoli podobě. Připadá mi dost hloupé to vést "v cizím
prostředí". Navíc po těch různých tabulkách a dokumentech, co tu proběhly,
stejně nejpozději do měsíce ani pes neštěkne.
Počítala jsem, že za sebe budu generovat přímo tabulku, kterou vždy
nakopíruji do nějaké konkrétní webové stránky na wiki. Stejně bychom to tam
měli mít uváděné.

Za mě: ptám se tímto již po několikáté, zda to někde už máme sepsané
(nezávisle na tom, co ten příští týden já osobně pošlu do světa). Zatím
jsem se odpovědi nikde nedopátrala, takže jsem získala dojem, že ten
přehled současných schválených dat nikde není, jen se dotyčný vždy
pochlubil tady. Pletu se nebo ne?

Majka

On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 at 21:43, Miroslav Suchy  wrote:

> Dne 05. 04. 19 v 12:51 majka napsal(a):
> > Je možné ty žádosti sepisovat? Viz tabulka
> > <
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JdhYGi2828bTwjkW6e3CAdyh_FeoJMlk8I8SfIHuGE0/edit#heading=h.8v5yefdm1j7m>
>  -
> tj. už
> > to hodit někam na web,
>
> Dělat tabulku v dokumentu je IMHO prasárna - promiň. Můžeš to přehodit do
> tabulek prosím?
>   https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/
>
> Mirek
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Re: [talk-cz] Newsletter jaro 2019

2019-04-07 Thread Miroslav Suchy

Dne 05. 04. 19 v 12:51 majka napsal(a):
> Je možné ty žádosti sepisovat? Viz tabulka
> 
>  - tj. už
> to hodit někam na web,

Dělat tabulku v dokumentu je IMHO prasárna - promiň. Můžeš to přehodit do 
tabulek prosím?
  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/

Mirek

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] massifs arbustifs et/ou de fleurs

2019-04-07 Thread Ralf Treinen

Bonsoir,

On Sun, Apr 07, 2019 at 12:51:24PM +0200, Lau Anonyme wrote:
> Bonjour,
> 
> quelqu'un aurait-il une idée de comment tagguer des massifs arbustifs
> (contenant ou pas des fleurs en plus) ?
> 
> C'est un élément qu'on trouve beaucoup dans les villes et les villages :
> 
> - c'est un espace jardiné
> 
> - ce n'est pas de l'herbe seule
> 
> - ce n'est pas un parterre de fleurs (mais ça peut le devenir selon les
> périodes de l'année selon ce qui est planté)
> 
> - c'est en général une petite surface
> 
> - ce n'est pas une haie au sens "barrière"
> 
> - j'ai l'impression que ce n'est pas un jardin au sens de leisure=garden La
> description de ce tag indique pourtant qu'il peut aussi bien être à la fois
> être utilisé pour le jardin d'une maison, d'un château... que d'une 
> jardinière.
> 
> Or il me semble intéressant de distinguer un jardin d'un massif (mais je ne
> parviens pas à décrire sur quoi ils se distingueraient).
> Ce qui se rapprocherait le plus serait cette proposition https://
> wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/flowerbed

J'utilise dans ces cas

leisure=garden
access=no

car il s'agit à mon avis bien du jardinage, sauf que ce n'est pas
fait pour se promener dedans.

-Ralf.

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Re: [talk-cz] Mapnik nerenderuje nová data

2019-04-07 Thread majka

Ne, podle toho co upravuješ, může rendrování trvat až asi tři neděle, pokud
to neprošťouchneš ručně. Dlaždice má životnost asi těch 21 dní, pak se
rendruje v každém případě znovu. Podle druhu změny se "něco" přerendruje
hned, něco za dva až tři dny, a něco čeká až na ten komplet nový cyklus.
Pro to "přednostní" přerendrování se ale musí zachytit ten změněný stav,
což se občas nestane.

Alespoň myslím, že se v tom za posledních pár měsíců nic nezměnilo.

On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 at 21:23, Pavel Pilát  wrote:

> Myslíš v neděli? Dnes je asi chcíplé vše, včetně logování na gc.com. :-)
>
> Jinak přes týden renderoval do pár minut...
>
> On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 9:18 PM majka  wrote:
>
>> To je zpravidla na mapnik moc brzo :)
>>
>> On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 at 21:14, Pavel Pilát  wrote:
>>
>>> Nevíte, jestli je nějaký problém s Mapnikem? Dělal jsem odpoledne změny
>>> a zatím se to neprojevilo.
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Re: [talk-cz] Mapnik nerenderuje nová data

2019-04-07 Thread Pavel Pilát

Myslíš v neděli? Dnes je asi chcíplé vše, včetně logování na gc.com. :-)

Jinak přes týden renderoval do pár minut...

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 9:18 PM majka  wrote:

> To je zpravidla na mapnik moc brzo :)
>
> On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 at 21:14, Pavel Pilát  wrote:
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>> Nevíte, jestli je nějaký problém s Mapnikem? Dělal jsem odpoledne změny a
>> zatím se to neprojevilo.
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Re: [talk-cz] Mapnik nerenderuje nová data

2019-04-07 Thread majka

To je zpravidla na mapnik moc brzo :)

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[talk-cz] Mapnik nerenderuje nová data

2019-04-07 Thread Pavel Pilát

Nevíte, jestli je nějaký problém s Mapnikem? Dělal jsem odpoledne změny a
zatím se to neprojevilo.
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Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread Richard Fairhurst

Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> Now while everybody is free to use any tag she likes, I would not 
> expect the OpenStreetMap-Foundation standard editor to 
> introduce new tags through presets. 

It's been happening since Potlatch 1 came online in 2007, so you should have
had a few years to get used to it by now...

Writing software is an art, not a mechanical Turk where results of endless
consultations are fed robotically into a Javascript editor. The iD
developers are remarkably responsive to concerns raised about mapping
standards, much more than I ever was as P1/P2 maintainer and, dare I say it,
more than JOSM's maintainers have historically been. That they don't
mindlessly follow bad tagging practices, but think about the impact and
consistency of tagging, is all to their credit.

I don't follow that iD has any particular status because of its default
location on the edit tab: JOSM arguably has more "heft" because its bulk
editing abilities allow people to impose new tags by force of number, not to
mention you 'orrible lot forever bombarding the poor newbie to use JOSM or
else. ;)

cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [Vélo] Comment cartographier une station Velib’ divisée en 2 parties

2019-04-07 Thread Charles MILLET

Merci pour vos retours, je vais continuer d'observer ce qui se fait. 
Pour information j'envisage d'organiser un petit mapathon pour 
l'intégration des bornes Vélib’, probablement le 23 avril de 19h à 23h 
sur Paris (je ne sais pas encore où).


@marc marc : désolé pour le manque de localisation, effectivement 
j'avais zappé d'ajouté le lien ;-)


Charles MILLET
charlesmil...@free.fr

On 04/04/2019 16:28, marc marc wrote:

[à propose d'une station en 2 parties avec 2 fois la ref dans osm]
Phys : un des gros défaut c'est que cela conduit à avoir une double ref
et c'est compliqué pour un contributeur ou un outil de qualité de savoir
au préalable si c'est une erreur à aller corriger ou si c'est "normal".
il faut regarder si les 2 objets sont semblable et proche pour déduire
que c'est peut-être normal... et encore rien ne dit que c'est pas la
station qui a été créé en doublon suite à un légèr déplacement par ex

Le 04.04.19 à 15:20, Thomas Ruchin a écrit :

- les bornettes d’arroches sont à modéliser par un/des ways ou polygones
avec les tags adaptés et rattachés à la station via son identifiant.

un exemple dans osm ?
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Re: [Talk-se] Naturvårdsverkets nya Nationella MarktäckeData

2019-04-07 Thread Christian Asker

Hej. Vad gäller skillnaden mellan löv- och barrskog tror jag att 
infraröda bilder och bildbehandling lär vara lika pålitligt som att bege 
sig ut i skogen själv. Det finns ju ingen exakt gräns för när en skog är 
det ena eller det andra och vi har ingen chans att göra det manuellt. 
Jag tycker också att det vore bra att behålla den information som ju 
faktiskt finns i datat, förutom tex väldigt små områden lövskog inuti en 
barrskog.

Mvh Christian

Den 2019-04-07 kl. 16:33, skrev Grigory Rechistov via Talk-se:

Hej,

>dem verkar vara skapad via AI och flygfoto/sattelitbilder .
I ett PDF-dokument som kom med marktäckedatan (den ZIP-arkiv som går 
att ladda ner) nämndes det att man också hade tillgång till infraröda 
bilder. De bör hjälpa till att skilja på skogstyper i tillägg till de 
vanliga bilderna i synliga spektrumet.

> och inte särskilt pålitliga
En AI är bara ett program, och vi använder redan flertal program för 
att bearbeta, validera, skicka och rendera OSM. Varför litar man på 
ena program med inte på det andra? Varför lita på den ursprungliga 
TIFF-bilden alls?

Antingen testar man datan/programmet själv (att de motsvarar 
verkligheten) eller litar man på dem som skrev programmet och 
bearbetade datan. Att testa marktäcktedatan själv borde vara jobbigare 
än någon orkar klara i livet. Fast det lär vara skoj att besöka ett 
fåtal skogsområden i ens närhet och kolla att skogstypen stämmer med 
kartan.

Om vi har frågor eller misstänker gällande metoder eller noggrannhet 
på NMD:n ska vi anlita dess upphovsmän. Tidigare skrev Bernt Rane i 
denna tråd att »Om det finns frågor kring datat så kan ni kontakta 
camilla.jons...@metria.se 

som kan svara direkt eller bolla vidare, hon jobbar på 
Naturvårdsverkets uppdrag med just marktäckedatat.«

>Skulle du kunna göra ett exempel där alla skogstyper slås ihop

Hittills lyckades jag lösa problemet med `gdal_sieve.py` och nu har en 
ny raster TIFF-fil som 1) täcker hela landet, 2) har allt krafs 
borttaget, 3) har "DN"-värden sammanslagna som tidigare bestämt. Filen 
är 1,2 Gbyte stor, jag ämnar publicera den någonstans i Internet så 
att andra kartläggare kan spara lite tid.
Jag kan även slå alla typer på skogar ihop, men det ska ta lite mer 
tid och rymd.

P.S. om någon undrar vad för problemet finns med gdal_sieve.py, är det 
så att om man sparar en ny filnamn tappas färgkartan bort. Däremot om 
man skriver över den ursprungliga filen då förblir färgkartan i den 
och resultatet ser ut normalt.

Воскресенье, 7 апреля 2019, 10:55 +03:00 от egil :

Hej

On 2019-04-07 09:08, Grigory Rechistov via Talk-se wrote:
> Hej,
> Nyss körde jag mina nya skript på samma Vinön-area som tidigare.
Med nya
> `remap-raster.py` skriptet finns det inte längre några redundanta
> intilliggande skogsvägar, de är nu sammanslagna.
>
> Efter Chaikens utjämningsalgoritm (med 20 meter som
tröskelvärde) körde
> jag dessutom Douglas-Peucker (med 5 meter tröskeln) för att räta
avlånga
> vägar. `process-osmxml.py` används som tidigare.
>
> Resultatet (utan några vidare manuella ändringar) kan du hitta här:
> https://atakua.org/p/nmd/vinon-cdp-2.osm.gz , förhandsvisningsbild:
> https://atakua.org/p/nmd/vinon-cdp-2.png .

Det här ser mycket bättre ut än dina förre försök i tråden med Gränsö.

Jag är skeptisk till att importera dem olika skogstyperna eftersom
dem verkar vara skapad via AI och flygfoto/sattelitbilder och inte
särskilt
pålitliga. Underlaget för detta verkar inte vara tillgängligt.

Skulle du kunna göra ett exempel där alla skogstyper slås ihop som
landuse=forest i vektorer med mindre än 2000 noder som jämförelse?

Mvh
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Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread john whelan

and I think this is precisely my concern.

Tagging is not always easy, highways in Africa are an example.  See a dirt
track in Europe and its probably a highway=track.  In Africa it probably
isn't.

Cheerio John

On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 at 11:51, Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 7. Apr 2019, at 16:44, Bryce Jasmer  wrote:
> >
> > Can you give some examples of what the OSM normals are and how iD
> differs from them?
>
>
> from time to time the iD developers don’t like the established tagging and
> prefer to make iD tagging presets for new tags which they believe are
> better.
> Now while everybody is free to use any tag she likes, I would not expect
> the OpenStreetMap-Foundation standard editor to introduce new tags through
> presets. Good practice for default presets (e.g. in JOSM) is to use tags
> that are already well established. Generally we want our tags to be
> standing on a broad basis, we encourage discussion prior to using them. The
> development team of an editor is typically too restricted to be considered
> a broad basis. Tagging discussions in Github are also defacto excluding
> Jane Mapper from participating (because she doesn’t get aware of it).
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread john whelan

>John - did you look at Github issue 2776 [1] that discussed
Semi-Detached?  I've never tagged a semi-detached house, but iD offers it
as a preset.

I don't normally use iD but you must explain to me where iD offers it as a
preset since I was unable to spot it. Stats Canada's project to map
buildings is where the concern arose.  The more precise the detail the more
valuable is the information.

Open / Closed environment simply that iD is very widely used which means I
think it should be held to a higher standard since its presets are
generally the ones used.  OSM has room for discussion I maybe mistaken but
I'm under the impression that the programmers here make the decisions.
Based on my programming background normally the technical authority is not
the programmer.

In JOSM using the buildings_tool to map a line of square buildings takes
two clicks per building and they are both square and correctly tagged.  iD
takes far more clicks.  Squaring after drawing introduces a level of
approximation.

Cheerio John

On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 at 12:12, Clifford Snow  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 5:44 AM John Whelan  wrote:
>
>> I note that the matter has been raised in talk-de and mentioned in osm
>> weekly.
>>
>> Tagging is not always easy, but I do have concerns when iD is so commonly
>> used but the recommended tags do not align with OpenStreetMap I'll say
>> normals.
>>
>> Specifically one of my concerns is a semi-detached house is not
>> recognised in iD only the more general tag house.
>>
>> John - did you look at Github issue 2776 [1] that discussed
> Semi-Detached?  I've never tagged a semi-detached house, but iD offers it
> as a preset.
>
> JOSM I think is much more open than iD but given the way OpenStreetMap
>> functions I suspect ID is a much more closed environment.
>>
>
> Can you help me understand what you  mean by iD is a much more closed
> environment? Are you saying because it is a browser based application it is
> more closed or???  When I look at the number of people that have created
> issues and the current pull requests it seems like a number of people are
> involved.
>
>>
>> For example JOSM has the buildings_tool plugin, Africa has a large number
>> of odd shaped buildings mapped in iD.
>>
>
> It seems to me that building shapes are more of a newbie issue  than
> editor issue. I look at each new editor in my state. Squaring buildings is
> one of the most common tips I give new mappers. Had they started out in
> JOSM, I suspect I'd still be giving the same tip. Not because of the editor
> but they wouldn't know to install and use the building tool.
>
>
>> Thoughts ladies and gentlemen?
>>
>
> I believe iD has come a long way.  I'm using it more and more instead of
> JOSM. I applaud the speed at which Bryan and others respond to issues and
> have improved it. The original post on talk-de really seemed to be
> complaining that the development staff is paid. Maybe what we should be
> asking is "Should OSMF fund development of tools?"
>
> [1]  https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2776
>
> Best,
> Clifford
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] emergency:hydrant:puisage:bleu

2019-04-07 Thread osm . sanspourriel


Je suis d'accord avec la remarque de François sur la page de discussion :


 emergency=fire_hydrant + fire_hydrant:type=suction_point

 * (-) a suction point has got no connector, all other fire hydrant
   types
   
   got one

   Then it's not a fire hydrant and emergency
   =suction_point
   
   should be used Fanfouer
    (talk
   ) 15:55, 12
   August 2017 (UTC)


En clair soit il y a une bouche incendie sans pression et alors c'est
emergency=fire_hydrant + fire_hydrant:type=suction_point.

Soit c'est un endroit où on peut mettre un tuyau/une pompe mais sans
équipement prévu pour connecter un tuyau et alors c'est
emergency=suction_point.

Jean-Yvon

Le 07/04/2019 à 19:11, Nicolas Moyroud - nmoyr...@free.fr a écrit :

Salut,

Que doit-on penser du tag emergency=suction_point ?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dsuction_point

Et il y a aussi emergency=fire_hydrant + fire_hydrant:type=suction_point.

Nicolas

Le 05/04/2019 à 18:31, Vincent de Château-Thierry a écrit :

Bonjour,
Ça se taggue fire_hydrant:pressure = suction

vincent



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[Talk-at] Wartung der Radwege in der Steiermark

2019-04-07 Thread Robert Grübler

Hallo Leute!

Wartet jemand die Radwege in der Steiermark?

Normalerweise behebe ich Fehler selber, so sie mir auffallen. Bei diesem
Radweg gibt es aber eine Besonderheit:

   kurze, alternative Wegabschnitte wurden zu ganzen Routen kombiniert 

Beispiel: eine Hauptroute HR hat 2 alternative Wegabschnitte A1 und A2. Das
ergibt 4 ganze Routen:
1.  Route 1 = HR
2.  Route 2 = HR mit A1
3.  Route 3 = HR mit A2
4.  Route 4 = HR mit A1 und A2

Mir gefällt diese Struktur aus mehreren Gründen nicht:
   hoher Wartungsaufwand bei Korrekturen im gemeinsamen Teil
   Risiko der Inkonsistenz Relationen können übersehen werden
   skaliert nicht  unmöglich bei langen Wegen mit vielen alternativen
Abschnitten

Meine Vorstellung für den R11:
   Hauptroute ist Route Nr 1
   Alle Alternativen in Route Nr 2
   Zusammenfassen in Route Nr 3 als Super-Relation

Link: R11 Relation 2516376, https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2516376 
Link: Wanderwege: Varianten in Relationen,
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=65696 


Wenn ich korrigiere, würde ich die Struktur dahingehend ändern. Muss aber
nicht sein, daher meine Frage:

   wer ist mit der jetzigen Struktur glücklich
   UND
   wartet die Radwege

Bitte um ein kurzes Ich oder mit der Strukturänderung einverstanden sein.

Liebe Grüße
Robert

P.S.: Wir können auch gerne die Vor-/Nachteile der Lösungsvarianten
diskutieren. Vorzugsweise im Forum.


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[Talk-ko] weeklyOSM #454 2019-03-26-2019-04-01

2019-04-07 Thread weeklyteam

매주 일어나는 OSM 소식을 종합한, 454번째 주간OSM이 발행되었습니다.

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/ko/archives/11846/

읽어 주셔서 감사합니다!

주간OSM 팀이 아니더라도 누구나 기사를 제출할 수 있다는 것을 알고 계셨나요? 그냥 
https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login 에 들어가서 오픈스트리트맵 계정으로 로그인하기만 하면 됩니다. 기사 작성법 
등의 정보는 여기를 참조하세요.

주간OSM이란? 
누가?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
어디서?: 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] emergency:hydrant:puisage:bleu

2019-04-07 Thread Nicolas Moyroud


Salut,

Que doit-on penser du tag emergency=suction_point ?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dsuction_point

Et il y a aussi emergency=fire_hydrant + fire_hydrant:type=suction_point.

Nicolas

Le 05/04/2019 à 18:31, Vincent de Château-Thierry a écrit :

Bonjour,
Ça se taggue fire_hydrant:pressure = suction

vincent



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Re: [Talk-se] Naturvårdsverkets nya Nationella MarktäckeData

2019-04-07 Thread Grigory Rechistov via Talk-se

En självkorrigering till mitt föregående mejl: det är osmconvert som kan klippa 
data, inte osmfilter:  
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmconvert#Clipping_based_on_a_Polygon  


>Воскресенье,  7 апреля 2019, 18:47 +03:00 от Grigory Rechistov via Talk-se 
>:
>
>Hej,
>
>>En särskild användare bör skapas. 
>Sant, det är enligt guidelinjerna:  
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Use_a_dedicated_user_account
>
>>Hur vi ska identifiera områden vet jag ej.
>> ska man identifiera områden manuellt för import, eller kan man göra en enda 
>> import för hela landet? Någon som vet hur det går till?
>
>Min känsla är att försöka importera hela landet meddetsamma vore opraktiskt: 
>jättestora filer, många svåra konflikter med befintliga data att lösa 
>samtidigt osv. Länen är också för stora. Det finns 290 kommuner; kanske en 
>kommun i taget vore ett lagom stort ärende för att klara utan överdrivna 
>ansträngningar?
>
>Man kan få gränserna för kommuner här:  
>https://wambachers-osm.website/boundaries/ , sedan kan man klippa en större 
>OSM-fil i enskilda kommunbitar med `osmfilter`  
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmfilter . 
>
>Förresten  vet jag inte  ännu om det ät möjligt att bearbeta hela 
>Sverige-TIFF:en samtidigt på en dator med 32 GB minne. Jag kan kanske hitta en 
>dator med 128 GB minne; skulle det räcka till? Vet inte ännu.
>
>>Воскресенье,  7 апреля 2019, 10:57 +03:00 от egil < e...@riseup.net >:
>>
>>On 2019-04-06 09:00, Christian Asker wrote:
>>> Hej. Jag tycker att planen ser bra ut, även om jag själv inte har några 
>>> erfarenheter av att skriva sådana planer.
>>> 
>>> En fråga bara: hur går själva importen till rent tekniskt sedan? Vi vill 
>>> ju lägga in marktäckedata bara där detta redan saknas; ska man 
>>> identifiera områden manuellt för import, eller kan man göra en enda 
>>> import för hela landet? Någon som vet hur det går till?
>>
>>En särskild användare bör skapas. Hur vi ska identifiera områden vet jag ej.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] SOTM-Fr appel à contributions et Inscriptions

2019-04-07 Thread Vincent Bergeot


Bonjour,

il reste 8 jours pour l'appel à contributions ! Moi je dis ça, je dis 
rien hein !!! et c'est par ici : 
https://framaforms.org/proposition-dintervention-au-sotm-france-2019-1550073336


Et les inscriptions sont ouvertes 
https://sotm2019.openstreetmap.fr/inscription.html.
Cette année il y a une *offre d'hébergement pour les 3 nuits*, nous 
avons besoin de connaître au plus tôt le nombre de dormeurs pour 
réserver auprès du CROUS, nous clôturerons l'hébergement bien avant le sotm.


Toi là, tu hésites car tu ne connais pas grand monde, tu ne sais pas si 
tu vas arriver à suivre alors tu es sur la bonne voie ! Il n'y a pas que 
des conférences techniques, loin de la. C'est donc l'occasion !


à plus




Le 18/03/2019 à 11:26, Louis-Julien de la Bouëre a écrit :


Bonjour,

Le site du SOTM-Fr est lancé http://sotm2019.openstreetmap.fr. Petit 
rappel ça se passe cette année à Montpellier du 14 au 16 juin.


Comme chaque année, vous pouvez intervenir en proposant des exposés, 
animations d'ateliers, tables rondes et petites conférences, 
expositions de posters, parcours de terrain, ou d’autres formats que 
vous pourriez créer...


  * 12 mars 2019 : publication de l'appel à contribution


  * 15 avril 2019 : clôture de l'appel à contribution

Partagez avec la communauté : ce qui a fonctionné, ce qui a raté, et 
vos projets qui mûrissent.


Allez aussi voir les personnes qui font de belles choses avec 
OpenStreetMap, pour les inciter à proposer une intervention !


*Faites directement une proposition d'intervention* 



Merci au plaisir de se revoir là-bas ou ailleurs


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Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread Tomas Straupis

2019-04-07, sk, 19:06 Bryce Jasmer rašė:
> The wiki page for landuse=reservoir says:
> "Description: Ambiguous and better alternatives exist, see water=reservoir"
> So, is iD wrong to use this, or is the wiki incorrect?

  Wiki is incorrect. Even "creator" of "everything blue is
natural=water" agreed (in wiki discussion) that his scheme is in no
way superior to existing OSM water scheme and does not depreciate
established landuse=reservoir tag (and other tags like
waterway=riverbank etc.).
  And most importantly - mappers have "voted" with mapping more
landuse=reservoir (426 123) than water=reservoir (194 454) (even with
iD making it extremely hard for non experts to tag landuse=reservoir).

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Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread Clifford Snow

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 5:44 AM John Whelan  wrote:

> I note that the matter has been raised in talk-de and mentioned in osm
> weekly.
>
> Tagging is not always easy, but I do have concerns when iD is so commonly
> used but the recommended tags do not align with OpenStreetMap I'll say
> normals.
>
> Specifically one of my concerns is a semi-detached house is not recognised
> in iD only the more general tag house.
>
> John - did you look at Github issue 2776 [1] that discussed
Semi-Detached?  I've never tagged a semi-detached house, but iD offers it
as a preset.

JOSM I think is much more open than iD but given the way OpenStreetMap
> functions I suspect ID is a much more closed environment.
>

Can you help me understand what you  mean by iD is a much more closed
environment? Are you saying because it is a browser based application it is
more closed or???  When I look at the number of people that have created
issues and the current pull requests it seems like a number of people are
involved.

>
> For example JOSM has the buildings_tool plugin, Africa has a large number
> of odd shaped buildings mapped in iD.
>

It seems to me that building shapes are more of a newbie issue  than editor
issue. I look at each new editor in my state. Squaring buildings is one of
the most common tips I give new mappers. Had they started out in JOSM, I
suspect I'd still be giving the same tip. Not because of the editor but
they wouldn't know to install and use the building tool.

> Thoughts ladies and gentlemen?
>

I believe iD has come a long way.  I'm using it more and more instead of
JOSM. I applaud the speed at which Bryan and others respond to issues and
have improved it. The original post on talk-de really seemed to be
complaining that the development staff is paid. Maybe what we should be
asking is "Should OSMF fund development of tools?"

[1]  https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2776

Best,
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Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread Bryce Jasmer

The wiki page for landuse=reservoir says:

"Description: Ambiguous and better alternatives exist, see water=reservoir"

So, is iD wrong to use this, or is the wiki incorrect?

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 8:24 AM Tomas Straupis 
wrote:

> 2019-04-07, sk, 17:47 Bryce Jasmer rašė:
> > Can you give some examples of what the OSM normals are and how iD
> differs from them?
>
>   There is no way (other than writing tags directly) to tag reservoirs
> as landuse=reservoir (original and still wider used water tagging
> scheme), iD insists on natural=water+water=reservoir.
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[Talk-TW] OSM X Wikidata #3 聚會

2019-04-07 Thread Dennis Raylin Chen

Hi All

明天晚上(4/8) 19:30~21:30在摩茲工寮
一樣有 OpenStreetMap 與 Wikidata 社群的聯合聚會
https://www.facebook.com/events/2006032119496124/

歡迎對這兩項計畫有興趣的人前來參與

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[talk-cz] Nová otevřená data v Plzni

2019-04-07 Thread Pavel Cvrček

Ahoj,

v Plzni došlo na můj podnět k otevření několika datových sad jako otevřená data 
(licence: Creative Commons CCZero). 

Vlídná WC
Jedná se o projekt města, kdy podniky (restaurace, kavárny apod.) zpřístupní 
zdarma či za poplatek svá WC i návštěvníkům “z ulice”. Jak ideálně zanést? 
https://opendata.plzen.eu/dataset/gis-ostatni-wc 


Cyklostojany
Něco měli publikováno dříve, ale nyní by to mělo být aktualizováno dle 
současného stavu.
https://opendata.plzen.eu/dataset/gis-doprava-cyklotrasy-uzamykatelne-stojany 


Kontejnery na tříděný odpad
https://opendata.plzen.eu/dataset/gis-ostatni-odpady-separovany-odpad 


Parkovací automaty a parkovací zóny
https://opendata.plzen.eu/dataset/gis-technicka-mapa-site-verejne-osvetleni-svetelna-mista-parkovaci-automaty
 

https://opendata.plzen.eu/dataset/gis-doprava-parkovaci-zony 


Zanáší se to někam do wiki?

Rád bych pokračoval s dalšími daty, uvidíme, co se povede. Městská organizace, 
co portál s open daty provozuje, je otevřená podnětům, ale nakonec je to o tom, 
zda s publikací souhlasí vlastník (často jiná organizace města).

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Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer

sent from a phone

> On 7. Apr 2019, at 16:44, Bryce Jasmer  wrote:
> 
> Can you give some examples of what the OSM normals are and how iD differs 
> from them?

from time to time the iD developers don’t like the established tagging and 
prefer to make iD tagging presets for new tags which they believe are better.
Now while everybody is free to use any tag she likes, I would not expect the 
OpenStreetMap-Foundation standard editor to introduce new tags through presets. 
Good practice for default presets (e.g. in JOSM) is to use tags that are 
already well established. Generally we want our tags to be standing on a broad 
basis, we encourage discussion prior to using them. The development team of an 
editor is typically too restricted to be considered a broad basis. Tagging 
discussions in Github are also defacto excluding Jane Mapper from participating 
(because she doesn’t get aware of it).

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Re: [Talk-se] Naturvårdsverkets nya Nationella MarktäckeData

2019-04-07 Thread Grigory Rechistov via Talk-se

Hej,

>En särskild användare bör skapas. 
Sant, det är enligt guidelinjerna: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Use_a_dedicated_user_account

>Hur vi ska identifiera områden vet jag ej.
> ska man identifiera områden manuellt för import, eller kan man göra en enda 
> import för hela landet? Någon som vet hur det går till?

Min känsla är att försöka importera hela landet meddetsamma vore opraktiskt: 
jättestora filer, många svåra konflikter med befintliga data att lösa samtidigt 
osv. Länen är också för stora. Det finns 290 kommuner; kanske en kommun i taget 
vore ett lagom stort ärende för att klara utan överdrivna ansträngningar?

Man kan få gränserna för kommuner här:  
https://wambachers-osm.website/boundaries/ , sedan kan man klippa en större 
OSM-fil i enskilda kommunbitar med `osmfilter`  
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmfilter . 

Förresten  vet jag inte  ännu om det ät möjligt att bearbeta hela 
Sverige-TIFF:en samtidigt på en dator med 32 GB minne. Jag kan kanske hitta en 
dator med 128 GB minne; skulle det räcka till? Vet inte ännu.

>Воскресенье,  7 апреля 2019, 10:57 +03:00 от egil :
>
>On 2019-04-06 09:00, Christian Asker wrote:
>> Hej. Jag tycker att planen ser bra ut, även om jag själv inte har några 
>> erfarenheter av att skriva sådana planer.
>> 
>> En fråga bara: hur går själva importen till rent tekniskt sedan? Vi vill 
>> ju lägga in marktäckedata bara där detta redan saknas; ska man 
>> identifiera områden manuellt för import, eller kan man göra en enda 
>> import för hela landet? Någon som vet hur det går till?
>
>En särskild användare bör skapas. Hur vi ska identifiera områden vet jag ej.
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Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread Tomas Straupis

2019-04-07, sk, 17:47 Bryce Jasmer rašė:
> Can you give some examples of what the OSM normals are and how iD differs 
> from them?

  There is no way (other than writing tags directly) to tag reservoirs
as landuse=reservoir (original and still wider used water tagging
scheme), iD insists on natural=water+water=reservoir.

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Re: [OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread Bryce Jasmer

Can you give some examples of what the OSM normals are and how iD differs
from them?

Is there a bug against iD not showing semi-detached house? Can you provide
the link(s) to the bug(s) so we can read what the discussion/rationale is
for not showing it?

As for a building tool, is there any evidence one would be rejected if
someone wrote and tested a feature and submitted a pull request?

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019, 5:44 AM John Whelan  wrote:

> I note that the matter has been raised in talk-de and mentioned in osm
> weekly.
>
> Tagging is not always easy, but I do have concerns when iD is so commonly
> used but the recommended tags do not align with OpenStreetMap I'll say
> normals.
>
> Specifically one of my concerns is a semi-detached house is not recognised
> in iD only the more general tag house.
>
> JOSM I think is much more open than iD but given the way OpenStreetMap
> functions I suspect ID is a much more closed environment.
>
> For example JOSM has the buildings_tool plugin, Africa has a large number
> of odd shaped buildings mapped in iD.
>
> Thoughts ladies and gentlemen?
>
> Thanks John
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Re: [Talk-se] Naturvårdsverkets nya Nationella MarktäckeData

2019-04-07 Thread Grigory Rechistov via Talk-se

Hej,

>dem verkar vara skapad via AI och flygfoto/sattelitbilder .
I ett PDF-dokument som kom med marktäckedatan (den ZIP-arkiv som går att ladda 
ner) nämndes det att man också hade tillgång till infraröda bilder. De bör 
hjälpa till att skilja på skogstyper i tillägg till de vanliga bilderna i 
synliga spektrumet.

> och inte särskilt pålitliga
En AI är bara ett program, och vi använder redan flertal program för att 
bearbeta, validera, skicka och rendera OSM. Varför litar man på ena program med 
inte på det andra? Varför lita på den ursprungliga TIFF-bilden alls? 

Antingen testar man datan/programmet själv (att de motsvarar verkligheten) 
eller litar man på dem som skrev programmet och bearbetade datan. Att testa 
marktäcktedatan själv borde vara jobbigare än någon orkar klara i livet. Fast 
det lär vara skoj att besöka ett fåtal skogsområden i ens närhet och kolla att 
skogstypen stämmer med kartan.

Om vi har frågor eller misstänker gällande metoder eller noggrannhet på NMD:n  
ska vi anlita dess upphovsmän. Tidigare skrev Bernt Rane i denna tråd att » Om 
det finns frågor kring datat så kan ni kontakta  camilla.jons...@metria.se som 
kan svara direkt eller bolla vidare, hon jobbar på Naturvårdsverkets uppdrag 
med just marktäckedatat.«

>Skulle du kunna göra ett exempel där alla skogstyper slås ihop

Hittills lyckades jag lösa problemet med `gdal_sieve.py` och nu har en ny 
raster TIFF-fil som 1) täcker hela landet, 2) har allt krafs borttaget, 3) har 
"DN"-värden sammanslagna som tidigare bestämt. Filen är 1,2 Gbyte stor, jag 
ämnar publicera den någonstans i Internet så att andra kartläggare kan spara 
lite tid.
Jag kan även slå alla typer på skogar ihop, men det ska ta lite mer tid och 
rymd.

P.S. om någon undrar vad för problemet finns med gdal_sieve.py, är det så att 
om man sparar en ny filnamn tappas färgkartan bort. Däremot om man skriver över 
den ursprungliga filen då förblir färgkartan i den och resultatet ser ut 
normalt. 

>Воскресенье,  7 апреля 2019, 10:55 +03:00 от egil :
>
>Hej
>
>On 2019-04-07 09:08, Grigory Rechistov via Talk-se wrote:
>> Hej,
>> Nyss körde jag mina nya skript på samma Vinön-area som tidigare. Med nya 
>> `remap-raster.py` skriptet finns det inte längre några redundanta 
>> intilliggande skogsvägar, de är nu sammanslagna.
>> 
>> Efter Chaikens utjämningsalgoritm (med 20 meter som tröskelvärde) körde 
>> jag dessutom Douglas-Peucker (med 5 meter tröskeln) för att räta avlånga 
>> vägar. `process-osmxml.py` används som tidigare.
>> 
>> Resultatet (utan några vidare manuella ändringar) kan du hitta här: 
>>  https://atakua.org/p/nmd/vinon-cdp-2.osm.gz , förhandsvisningsbild: 
>>  https://atakua.org/p/nmd/vinon-cdp-2.png . 
>
>Det här ser mycket bättre ut än dina förre försök i tråden med Gränsö.
>
>Jag är skeptisk till att importera dem olika skogstyperna eftersom dem verkar 
>vara skapad via AI och flygfoto/sattelitbilder och inte särskilt 
>pålitliga. Underlaget för detta verkar inte vara tillgängligt.
>
>Skulle du kunna göra ett exempel där alla skogstyper slås ihop som 
>landuse=forest i vektorer med mindre än 2000 noder som jämförelse?
>
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>Egil
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Re: [OSM-ja] Fwd: highway=cyclewayをwikiのjapan_taggingに追記したい

2019-04-07 Thread 石野貴之

石野です。

＞ 木下さん
ありがとうございます。
事後報告になり申し訳ありませんが、貴重なご意見ですので、提案の議論ページ
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_Japan_tagging/Road_types_2/cycleway
に転載させていただきました。問題があれば削除いたしますので、お知らせください。

2019年4月7日(日) 20:59 Spinnet :

>
> cyclewayもしくはサイクリングロードに関して、特に河川沿いの道路、管理道路の扱いに疑問を感じました。
>

今回の提案では、自転車専用道路のみをhighway=cyclewayとするようにしていますので、河川管理道路は当初より議論の対象としていませんでした。
しかし、Japan_taggingの全体の体系において河川管理道路をどう位置づけるかは 別途議論する必要があるかもしれません。
個人的にはhighway=pathかなあとは思います。

> これもオープンデータに対して素人意見であることをご了承ください。
>
> そこで、必要なのは（１）普通自転車か（２）それ以外の自転車も通行できる道路なのか、（３）歩行者との共存か（４）自転車のみか、という区分があると良いのではないかと感じました。
>
本提案の目的はまさに(3)(4)を区別することにあります。
一方で、(1)(2)はかなり重大な問題です。先にhayashiさんがまとめられた車両種別の割り当て
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Japan_tagging/Access_transportation_mode
では、bicycleを普通自転車とすることになっていますが、普通自転車以外の自転車については
ほとんど議論されていなかったのではないでしょうか。


>
> 考え方として４つ揚げましたが、実際には｢cycleway(+)｣等として＋ーの属性によって（ア）車道の様に積極的に利用されるべき道路と（イ）自歩道の様に抑制のある道路、という２つの区分が必要だろうと思います。
>
> 特に（イ）の抑制には自転車への障害という意味を含めることができます。歩行者に注意すること以外にも、行く先の階段、歩道橋、管理道路では車止めの存在を示すことができます。
>
車止めなどの障害を表すbarrier=*タグが既に広く使われています。
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:Key:barrier
階段もhighway=stepsという専用タグがすでにあります。そのため、+-の属性について別途新しいタグ付けを議論する必要性は薄いと考えています。

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Re: [OSM-ja] OSMのマッピングパーティ立ち上げましたー。

2019-04-07 Thread yasunari yamashita

山下です。こんにちわ。

リンク、
404 not found ですね。
正しくは
https://connpass.com/event/126467


// 私のイベントページ、コピーして使っていただいても構いませんが、
// 事前に一言、いただきたかったです

2019年4月7日(日) 21:38 kazsanInaba :
>
> ナバウアです。
>
> OSMのマッピングパーティ立ち上げましたー。
>
> https://connpass.com/event/126467/join/complete/
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Use of amenity=university within the University of Cambridge

2019-04-07 Thread Andy Townsend


On 07/04/2019 12:28, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:

I've noticed that there are rather a lot of amenity=university objects
in Cambridge,...

What do other people think? Could we get an agreement to at least
remove the amenity=university tags from buildings etc within each
larger university site? How best to tag university sites/campuses is
perhaps a larger discussion, that it may take longer to reach a
consensus on.


What would be useful would be examples of what other non-campus 
universities do.  I'd hope that a drop-in replacement for the Cambridge 
usage of the amenity=university tag would be possible (not just 
buildings - see also e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/136330943 ), 
leaving amenity=university for "actual" universities (or at least campuses).




PS: I'll invite David Earl to comment here, as he was behind the
Project Drake work that did a lot of the mapping of University
buildings.

For info - previous discussions include 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2015-May/thread.html#17455 
.  I can see the logic behind "let me change the University software 
first" in 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2015-May/017457.html , 
but that was 4 years ago - it does seem reasonable to ask the question 
again now.


See also 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2011-December/thread.html#12523 
for previous discussion (and a mention of how Durham, a similar 
non-campus university, did things then).


Best Regards,

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[OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

2019-04-07 Thread John Whelan

I note that the matter has been raised in talk-de and mentioned in osm 
weekly.


Tagging is not always easy, but I do have concerns when iD is so 
commonly used but the recommended tags do not align with OpenStreetMap 
I'll say normals.


Specifically one of my concerns is a semi-detached house is not 
recognised in iD only the more general tag house.


JOSM I think is much more open than iD but given the way OpenStreetMap 
functions I suspect ID is a much more closed environment.


For example JOSM has the buildings_tool plugin, Africa has a large 
number of odd shaped buildings mapped in iD.


Thoughts ladies and gentlemen?

Thanks John


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[OSM-ja] OSMのマッピングパーティ立ち上げましたー。

2019-04-07 Thread kazsanInaba


ナバウアです。

OSMのマッピングパーティ立ち上げましたー。

https://connpass.com/event/126467/join/complete/

皆様どうぞお越しくださいー。

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Josm, couche cadastre, fausse manip

2019-04-07 Thread Nicolas Moyroud


Salut Stéphane,

Je te conseille l'outil "télécharger dans la vue courante" (voir dans le 
menu Fichier), ça télécharge directement les données OSM (sans fenêtre 
de téléchargement) sur la zone actuellement ouverte dans la fenêtre 
principale. Et là pas de conflit avec le dernier téléchargement cadastre 
puisque cet outil ne télécharge que les données OSM ! Je l'ai ajouté 
dans ma barre d'outil entre les 2 boutons "télécharger" et "envoyer" et 
j'ai défini un raccourci clavier "CTRL+ALT+Page suivante".


a+

Nicolas


Le 07/04/2019 à 08:33, Stéphane Péneau a écrit :

Hello,

Il y a une fausse manip que je fais régulièrement :

- Je charge une zone de donnée Osm dans Josm

- Je rouvre la fenêtre de chargement des données, vais sur l'onglet du 
cadastre et charge des données dans un autre calque.


- J'édite mes données Osm

Au bout d'un moment j'ai besoin d'agrandir l'emprise des données osm, 
et là, réflexe habituel, je fais ctrl+shift+flèche bas, puis je valide.


Et bam ! je me retrouve avec les données du cadastre mélangées avec 
celles d'Osm ! Pas d'undo possible, je n'ai plus qu'à supprimer mon 
calque et recommencer mes éditions à zéro.



Ca arrive à d'autres ? Il y aurait une astuce pour éviter de jeter mes 
éditions ?



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Re: [OSM-ja] Fwd: highway=cyclewayをwikiのjapan_taggingに追記したい

2019-04-07 Thread Spinnet

木下です。

石野さん、ご提案の自転車活用推進研究会の方にみせたところ
横浜市の職員の方より以下のご意見をいただきました。
あえて全文の方転載させていただきます。

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個人的な意見であることをご了承ください。
cyclewayもしくはサイクリングロードに関して、特に河川沿いの道路、管理道路の扱いに疑問を感じました。

道路構造令や道路交通法によって区分することは歩行者との共存によって自歩道となると思いますが、根拠としては使用の自由であって通行ルールというより、それこそマナーに属する扱いになるのかと思います。
例として、地元の横浜市ではその呼称を使用せず、標識の表示も消し、自転車ネットワーク図には延伸箇所の表示はありますが、管理道路の扱いとしてあるのみです。（自転車ネットワーク計画図：https://www.city.yokohama.lg.jp/.../jitensha/jitensyanw.html
 
）
利用のされ方から考えると、トレーラーやリヤカーがどのように通行できるのかという視点からも、自転車道･自転車歩行者道と、河川管理道路は区別できる方が望ましいと思います。

これもオープンデータに対して素人意見であることをご了承ください。
そこで、必要なのは（１）普通自転車か（２）それ以外の自転車も通行できる道路なのか、（３）歩行者との共存か（４）自転車のみか、という区分があると良いのではないかと感じました。
考え方として４つ揚げましたが、実際には｢cycleway(+)｣等として＋ーの属性によって（ア）車道の様に積極的に利用されるべき道路と（イ）自歩道の様に抑制のある道路、という２つの区分が必要だろうと思います。
特に（イ）の抑制には自転車への障害という意味を含めることができます。歩行者に注意すること以外にも、行く先の階段、歩道橋、管理道路では車止めの存在を示すことができます。
また、（ア）の道路との連結点（主に交差点）が明確になれば危険回避にも役立てられるのではないかと思いました。
--

以上、よろしくお願いいたします。

> 2019/04/06 22:25、石野貴之 のメール:
> 
> 石野です。
> 
> 2019年4月6日(土) 20:38 Spinnet  >:
> 木下です。
> 
> 提案の方拝見させていただきました。
> 恐らくこれで問題はないのではと思ったのですが、念のため
> 私が会員になっている自転車関係のNPOである自転車活用推進研究会
> 
> https://www.cyclists.jp/ 
> 
> にこの提案を見てもらって見解を聞きたいと思ったのですが、提案の
> 方お見せしてしまってもしてよろしいでしょうか？
> 
> 大歓迎です。外部の方の意見を伺えるまたとない機会ですので、よろしくお願いします。
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Re: [Talk-GB] Use of amenity=university within the University of Cambridge

2019-04-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB

I'm so glad this has been resurrected again. It's not only the tag 
mentioned, but others including leisure=pitch to represent recreation 
grounds.


The university area requires amending to fit within accepted & agreed 
tagging rules.


DaveF

On 07/04/2019 12:28, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:

I've noticed that there are rather a lot of amenity=university objects
in Cambridge, most of which seem to be on individual buildings rather
than actual universities or even university sites.
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/HLV This seems to be in line with the
tagging scheme described at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cambridge/University_of_Cambridge
, but doesn't follow what it says at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Duniversity
"Individual elements of the university should not be tagged with
amenity=university but can be mapped with operator=* and the name of
the university".

The latter suggests that there should only be one amenity=university
object per institution, with individual sites combined via a
multi-polygon. I'm not sure I'd go quite that far, and I would be ok
with using using amenity=university on the outline polygon of each
site occupied by a university. At any rate I think it's wrong to
classify individual internal buildings/features within each site as
amenity=university.

What do other people think? Could we get an agreement to at least
remove the amenity=university tags from buildings etc within each
larger university site? How best to tag university sites/campuses is
perhaps a larger discussion, that it may take longer to reach a
consensus on.

Robert.

PS: I'll invite David Earl to comment here, as he was behind the
Project Drake work that did a lot of the mapping of University
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] massifs arbustifs et/ou de fleurs

2019-04-07 Thread Stéphane Péneau


Si je lis le wiki, ça me semble une mauvaise idée :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dvillage_green


Bonjour

Je les tague comme "espace vert" => landuse=village_green , les 
végétaux et autres décorations pouvant changer selon les envies des 
jardiniers de "La ville". Je l'utilise généralement pour ce qui est 
entretenu par "La ville".


Cyrille37.




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[Talk-GB] Use of amenity=university within the University of Cambridge

2019-04-07 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)

I've noticed that there are rather a lot of amenity=university objects
in Cambridge, most of which seem to be on individual buildings rather
than actual universities or even university sites.
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/HLV This seems to be in line with the
tagging scheme described at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cambridge/University_of_Cambridge
, but doesn't follow what it says at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Duniversity
"Individual elements of the university should not be tagged with
amenity=university but can be mapped with operator=* and the name of
the university".

The latter suggests that there should only be one amenity=university
object per institution, with individual sites combined via a
multi-polygon. I'm not sure I'd go quite that far, and I would be ok
with using using amenity=university on the outline polygon of each
site occupied by a university. At any rate I think it's wrong to
classify individual internal buildings/features within each site as
amenity=university.

What do other people think? Could we get an agreement to at least
remove the amenity=university tags from buildings etc within each
larger university site? How best to tag university sites/campuses is
perhaps a larger discussion, that it may take longer to reach a
consensus on.

Robert.

PS: I'll invite David Earl to comment here, as he was behind the
Project Drake work that did a lot of the mapping of University
buildings.

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Re: [Talk-es] Día del mapatón humanitario 2019

2019-04-07 Thread Miguel Sevilla-Callejo

Os recuerdo que la próxima semana, el jueves 11 por la tarde,  "celebramos"
el día del mapatón humanitario junto a MSF con mapatones organizados en
diferentes ciudades de España. Más info en: http://msf.es/mapaton

Os lo comento porque es necesario apuntarse en los eventbrite
correspondientes a cada ciudad pues con la gente registrada haremos una
estimación para organizar las tareas a realizar a través del
https://tasks.hotosm.org/

Os animo a participar!

Un saludo

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Doctor en Geografía


On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 16:17, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo 
wrote:

> Hola,
>
> Tal y como ya adelanté en un hilo anterior desde Zaragoza y junto con
> Médicos Sin Fronteras coordinando y con la ayuda de muchos de vosotros
> hemos sacado adelante el evento del día del #mapatonhumanitario2019 al que
> os animo a apuntaros en cualquiera de las 15 sedes (14 ciudades) en las que
> tendrán lugar la actividad:
> https://www.msf.es/mapaton-la-cartografia-herramienta-humanitaria
>
> Así mismo os animo a difundirlo
>
> Saludos
>
> --
> *Miguel Sevilla-Callejo*
> Doctor en Geografía
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] massifs arbustifs et/ou de fleurs

2019-04-07 Thread Cyrille37 OSM


Bonjour

Je les tague comme "espace vert" => landuse=village_green , les végétaux 
et autres décorations pouvant changer selon les envies des jardiniers de 
"La ville". Je l'utilise généralement pour ce qui est entretenu par "La 
ville".


Cyrille37.

Le 07/04/2019 à 12:51, Lau Anonyme a écrit :


Bonjour,

quelqu'un aurait-il une idée de comment tagguer des massifs arbustifs 
(contenant ou pas des fleurs en plus) ?


C'est un élément qu'on trouve beaucoup dans les villes et les villages :

- c'est un espace jardiné

- ce n'est pas de l'herbe seule

- ce n'est pas un parterre de fleurs (mais ça peut le devenir selon 
les périodes de l'année selon ce qui est planté)


- c'est en général une petite surface

- ce n'est pas une haie au sens "barrière"

- j'ai l'impression que ce n'est pas un jardin au sens de 
leisure=garden La description de ce tag indique pourtant qu'il peut 
aussi bien être à la fois être utilisé pour le jardin d'une maison, 
d'un château... que d'une jardinière.


Or il me semble intéressant de distinguer un jardin d'un massif (mais 
je ne parviens pas à décrire sur quoi ils se distingueraient).
Ce qui se rapprocherait le plus serait cette proposition 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/flowerbed


Qu'en pensez-vous ? Merci de votre aide.

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[OSM-talk-fr] massifs arbustifs et/ou de fleurs

2019-04-07 Thread Lau Anonyme


Bonjour,

quelqu'un aurait-il une idée de comment tagguer des massifs arbustifs 
(contenant ou pas des fleurs en plus) ?


C'est un élément qu'on trouve beaucoup dans les villes et les villages :

- c'est un espace jardiné

- ce n'est pas de l'herbe seule

- ce n'est pas un parterre de fleurs (mais ça peut le devenir selon les 
périodes de l'année selon ce qui est planté)


- c'est en général une petite surface

- ce n'est pas une haie au sens "barrière"

- j'ai l'impression que ce n'est pas un jardin au sens de leisure=garden 
La description de ce tag indique pourtant qu'il peut aussi bien être à 
la fois être utilisé pour le jardin d'une maison, d'un château... que 
d'une jardinière.


Or il me semble intéressant de distinguer un jardin d'un massif (mais je 
ne parviens pas à décrire sur quoi ils se distingueraient).
Ce qui se rapprocherait le plus serait cette proposition 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/flowerbed


Qu'en pensez-vous ? Merci de votre aide.

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[Talk-us] weeklyOSM #454 2019-03-26-2019-04-01

2019-04-07 Thread weeklyteam

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 454,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/11846/

Enjoy! 

Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in 
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how to write a post here: 
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm 

weeklyOSM? 
who: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
where?: 
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[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #454 2019-03-26-2019-04-01

2019-04-07 Thread weeklyteam

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 454,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/11846/

Enjoy! 

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[Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #454 2019-03-26-2019-04-01

2019-04-07 Thread weeklyteam

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 454,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/11846/

Enjoy! 

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[Talk-in] weeklyOSM #454 2019-03-26-2019-04-01

2019-04-07 Thread weeklyteam

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 454,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/11846/

Enjoy! 

Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in 
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http://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm 

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[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM #454 2019-03-26-2019-04-01

2019-04-07 Thread weeklyteam

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 454,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/11846/

Enjoy! 

Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in 
to https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login with your OSM account. Read more about 
how to write a post here: 
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm 

weeklyOSM? 
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[OSM-talk-ie] weeklyOSM #454 2019-03-26-2019-04-01

2019-04-07 Thread weeklyteam

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 454,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/11846/

Enjoy! 

Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in 
to https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login with your OSM account. Read more about 
how to write a post here: 
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm 

weeklyOSM? 
who: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
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[Talk-africa] weeklyOSM #454 2019-03-26-2019-04-01

2019-04-07 Thread weeklyteam

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 454,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/11846/

Enjoy! 

Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in 
to https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login with your OSM account. Read more about 
how to write a post here: 
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm 

weeklyOSM? 
who: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
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[Talk-pt] semanárioOSM Nº 454 2019-03-26-2019-04-01

2019-04-07 Thread theweekly . osm

Bom dia,

O semanárioOSM Nº 454, o resumo de tudo o que acontece no mundo OpenStreetMap, 
está publicado *em português* : http://www.weeklyosm.eu/pb/archives/11846/

Aproveite!

Você sabia que também pode enviar mensagens para a nota semanal sem ser membro? 
Basta fazer login em https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login com sua conta OSM e 
usar a conta de convidado. Leia mais sobre como escrever um post aqui: 
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm

semanarioOSM? 
Quem?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
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[Talk-br] semanárioOSM Nº 454 2019-03-26-2019-04-01

2019-04-07 Thread theweekly . osm

Bom dia,

O semanárioOSM Nº 454, o resumo de tudo o que acontece no mundo OpenStreetMap, 
está publicado *em português* : http://www.weeklyosm.eu/pb/archives/11846/

Aproveite!

Você sabia que também pode enviar mensagens para a nota semanal sem ser membro? 
Basta fazer login em https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login com sua conta OSM e 
usar a conta de convidado. Leia mais sobre como escrever um post aqui: 
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm

semanarioOSM? 
Quem?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
Onde?: 
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Re: [Talk-GB] multiple GB lists

2019-04-07 Thread Gareth L

I’m for culling redundant lists, but I’d expect there may be people who are 
keen to receive the emails as they come in on say, the west-mids group but 
would only tolerate a weekly digest email on the main talk-gb list (or haven’t 
subbed for that very reason).

So, yeah. Probably worth posting on those specific lists about any suggestion 
to merge into talk-gb.

Gareth

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Re: [Talk-GB] multiple GB lists

2019-04-07 Thread Mateusz Konieczny

I found https://lists.openstreetmap.org/admin 
 that is accessible to ml admins.
Maybe it is possible to archive ml there?

If not there - maybe https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues 
 is a place where
mailing list creation/archivization may be requested?

Apr 6, 2019, 1:16 PM by chippy2...@gmail.com:

> Hi Jez,
>
> happy to stop talk-gb-thenorth and merge it but how would I do that? it would 
> be nice if it was kept in archived form
>
> This one has not been used for several years now - it has 60+ subscribers. 
>
> Tim
>
> On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 at 10:13, Jez Nicholson <> jez.nichol...@gmail.com 
> > > wrote:
>
>> Demonstrating my ignorance, I did not know until recently that there are 
>> other GB lists, shown here with their last used date:
>>
>> talk-gb-london/>>  >> 2019-03-14 14:35
>> talk-gb-midanglia/>>  >> 2016-06-17 15:15
>> talk-gb-oxoncotswolds/>>  >> 2018-11-21 18:43
>> talk-gb-thenorth/>>  >> 2017-06-22 11:44
>> talk-gb-westmidlands/>>  >> 2019-03-31 13:52
>> talk-scotland/>>  >> 2019-04-01 11:48
>>
>> This may be a perennial discussion, but I'll naively stick my neck out 
>> (again)
>>  
>> I, for one, would not be offended to read about regional activities in the 
>> main Talk-GB list. In fact, I would welcome seeing activity around the 
>> country even if i'm too far away to attend. They do not appear to be high 
>> volume.
>>
>> Could the owners of those lists consider culling them and merging with 
>> Talk-GB?
>>
>> Regards,
>>               Jez
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>>  >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org 
>>  >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb 
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Re: [Talk-at] Neue basemap.at Layer

2019-04-07 Thread Andreas

Am 06.04.19 um 19:50 schrieb grubernd:
> On 05.04.19 14:38, Stephan Bösch-Plepelits wrote:
>> Beim letzten Vienna Geo Meetup wurden zwei neue basemap.at Layer
>> vorgestellt:
>> * Basemap Schummerung Oberfläche
>> * Basemap Schummerung Gelände
>> Beide haben eine Auflösung von einem Meter!
> 
> 
> danke für den Hinweis!
> 
> ich habe die Ebenen ein bisschen genauer angeschaut:
> 
> nachdem man noch den alten Südbahnhof in Wien sehen kann ist der Scan
> mindestens 10 Jahre alt. man sollte die Layer also nicht als aktuelle
> Referenz verwenden.

Ein Blick in die Metadaten hätten diese Vermutung bestätigt.

https://www.data.gv.at/katalog/dataset/e9117efe-a216-4766-a658-794c8b377b8b



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Re: [Talk-se] Naturvårdsverkets nya Nationella MarktäckeData

2019-04-07 Thread egil


On 2019-04-06 09:00, Christian Asker wrote:
Hej. Jag tycker att planen ser bra ut, även om jag själv inte har några 
erfarenheter av att skriva sådana planer.


En fråga bara: hur går själva importen till rent tekniskt sedan? Vi vill 
ju lägga in marktäckedata bara där detta redan saknas; ska man 
identifiera områden manuellt för import, eller kan man göra en enda 
import för hela landet? Någon som vet hur det går till?


En särskild användare bör skapas. Hur vi ska identifiera områden vet jag ej.

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Re: [Talk-se] Naturvårdsverkets nya Nationella MarktäckeData

2019-04-07 Thread egil


Hej

On 2019-04-07 09:08, Grigory Rechistov via Talk-se wrote:

Hej,
Nyss körde jag mina nya skript på samma Vinön-area som tidigare. Med nya 
`remap-raster.py` skriptet finns det inte längre några redundanta 
intilliggande skogsvägar, de är nu sammanslagna.


Efter Chaikens utjämningsalgoritm (med 20 meter som tröskelvärde) körde 
jag dessutom Douglas-Peucker (med 5 meter tröskeln) för att räta avlånga 
vägar. `process-osmxml.py` används som tidigare.


Resultatet (utan några vidare manuella ändringar) kan du hitta här: 
https://atakua.org/p/nmd/vinon-cdp-2.osm.gz , förhandsvisningsbild: 
https://atakua.org/p/nmd/vinon-cdp-2.png . 


Det här ser mycket bättre ut än dina förre försök i tråden med Gränsö.

Jag är skeptisk till att importera dem olika skogstyperna eftersom dem 
verkar vara skapad via AI och flygfoto/sattelitbilder och inte särskilt 
pålitliga. Underlaget för detta verkar inte vara tillgängligt.


Skulle du kunna göra ett exempel där alla skogstyper slås ihop som 
landuse=forest i vektorer med mindre än 2000 noder som jämförelse?


Mvh
Egil

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Re: [talk-cz] prosba ohledně openstreetmap.cz

2019-04-07 Thread Pavel Zbytovský

ad Tom) devosm má záměrně nastavené `osmcz.production = true`, je to kvůli
cestě ke složce /theme a pár dalším věcem. Mariánův návrh oifovat
osmcz.photoDbUrl mi přijde dobrý. Šlo by dát něco jako `if (location.href
=== 'openstreetmap.cz) produkční - jinak dev url`

ad note.js) díky za odstranění, Mariáne. Přidal jsem to omylem pouze
do @layout.latte commitem c5bed updates from osmcz-web
,
protože jsem myslel že se jedná o vrstvu s poznámkami, ale byl to zřejmě
jen nějaký pokus.

ad aktivní vrstva) to by chtělo nějak prozkoumat. V tom stacktracu za to
může tileReady funkce
,
ale zakomentovat jí asi nepůjde. A komentovat věci v leaflet.js mi přijde
nebezpečné.


Nevím kdy se k tomu dostanu, klidně to někdo nacommitujte přímo do větve
devosm.  Já mám teď prioritu v těch mých přednáškách.

P.
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Re: [Talk-se] Naturvårdsverkets nya Nationella MarktäckeData

2019-04-07 Thread Grigory Rechistov via Talk-se


Hej,
Nyss körde jag mina nya skript på samma Vinön-area som tidigare. Med nya 
`remap-raster.py` skriptet finns det inte längre några redundanta intilliggande 
skogsvägar, de är nu sammanslagna.

Efter Chaikens  utjämningsalgoritm (med 20 meter som  tröskel värde) körde jag 
dessutom Douglas-Peucker (med 5 meter tröskeln) för att räta  avlånga  vägar. 
`process-osmxml.py` används som tidigare.

Resultatet (utan några vidare manuella ändringar) kan du hitta här:  
https://atakua.org/p/nmd/vinon-cdp-2.osm.gz , förhandsvisningsbild:  
https://atakua.org/p/nmd/vinon-cdp-2.png . Slutsatser:

1. Jag behöver förbättra `process-osmxml.py`, det ska även slå samman identiska 
polygoner. Det borde lösa den kvarstående "Vägar med samma position " varningen.
2. Douglas-Peuckers algoritm kan  skapa ett fel med självkorsande 
multipolygonsdelar. Chaiken gör det inte.

Angående de små krafspolygonerna (4-10 noder) kanske kan jag nu försöka fixa 
`gdal_sieve.py` för att behålla färgtabellen. Det borde någorlunda minska 
brusnivån i utdata.

Med vänliga hälsningar,
Grigory Rechistov
With best regards,
Grigory Rechistov
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[OSM-talk-fr] Josm, couche cadastre, fausse manip

2019-04-07 Thread Stéphane Péneau


Hello,

Il y a une fausse manip que je fais régulièrement :

- Je charge une zone de donnée Osm dans Josm

- Je rouvre la fenêtre de chargement des données, vais sur l'onglet du 
cadastre et charge des données dans un autre calque.


- J'édite mes données Osm

Au bout d'un moment j'ai besoin d'agrandir l'emprise des données osm, et 
là, réflexe habituel, je fais ctrl+shift+flèche bas, puis je valide.


Et bam ! je me retrouve avec les données du cadastre mélangées avec 
celles d'Osm ! Pas d'undo possible, je n'ai plus qu'à supprimer mon 
calque et recommencer mes éditions à zéro.



Ca arrive à d'autres ? Il y aurait une astuce pour éviter de jeter mes 
éditions ?



Stf


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