Re: [Talk-GB] Highway lanes data for GB
-Original Message- From: Peter Miller [mailto:peter.mil...@itoworld.com] Sent: 29 September 2011 2:33 PM To: thomas van der veen Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Highway lanes data for GB .. I was interested to see how few dual carriageways there are in Norfolk for instance. Not needed. Tractors all go at the same speed or use the verge to pass :-D Cheers Andy (who grew up there) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[OSM-talk] British Antarctic Territories
An unmapped area in OSM currently is the Antarctic Peninsular south of Argentina. Thanks to the National Library of Australia I have a number of mostly out of copyright (or nearly so) British Ordnance Survey Maps for the British Antarctic Territories . The full list of them can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OS_Misc_maps.pdf An example for Deception Island: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OS_DeceptionIsland1960.png If anyone is interested in this area let me know and I'll include getting the maps scanned when I'm done others. Most of the maps will have limited positional accuracy because the surveying was mostly done by various Antarctic survey traverses, they do however have plenty of place/natural feature names that will be useful. Place Names should be those as agreed by the Antarctic Place-names Committee (APC). Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] British Antarctic Territories
Cool! Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: juliocos...@gmail.com [mailto:juliocos...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Julio Costa Zambelli Sent: 26 September 2011 1:56 PM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org; talk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] British Antarctic Territories Dear Andy, A _relatively_ unmapped area. The Villa Las Estrellas (Post Office, School, Library, Hospital, Bank, the Russian Ortodox Church, etc.), the Base Presidente Eduardo Frei Montalva, and the Aeródromo Teniente Rodolfo Marsh (runway, apron, and VOR beacon), all in the Isla Rey Jorge (King George Island) have been mapped for a couple of years (Jul/2009): http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-62.195lon=- 58.9767zoom=14layers=M Also the user Blazejos has been mapping the Arctowski (Polish) Base for some time: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-62.18318lon=- 58.47755zoom=15layers=M Best Regards, Julio Costa Zambelli OpenStreetMap Chile julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl http://www.openstreetmap.cl/ Cel: +56(9)89981083 Postal: Casilla 9002, Correo 3, Viña del Mar, Chile On 26 September 2011 07:57, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: An unmapped area in OSM currently is the Antarctic Peninsular south of Argentina. Thanks to the National Library of Australia I have a number of mostly out of copyright (or nearly so) British Ordnance Survey Maps for the British Antarctic Territories . The full list of them can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OS_Misc_maps.pdf An example for Deception Island: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OS_DeceptionIsland1960.pn g If anyone is interested in this area let me know and I'll include getting the maps scanned when I'm done others. Most of the maps will have limited positional accuracy because the surveying was mostly done by various Antarctic survey traverses, they do however have plenty of place/natural feature names that will be useful. Place Names should be those as agreed by the Antarctic Place-names Committee (APC). Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-GB] British Antarctic Territories
An unmapped area in OSM currently is the Antarctic Peninsular south of Argentina. Thanks to the National Library of Australia I have a number of mostly out of copyright (or nearly so) British Ordnance Survey Maps for the British Antarctic Territories . The full list of them can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OS_Misc_maps.pdf An example for Deception Island: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OS_DeceptionIsland1960.png If anyone is interested in this area let me know and I'll include getting the maps scanned when I'm done others. Most of the maps will have limited positional accuracy because the surveying was mostly done by various Antarctic survey traverses, they do however have plenty of place/natural feature names that will be useful. Place Names should be those as agreed by the Antarctic Place-names Committee (APC). Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] British Antarctic Territories
Cool! Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: juliocos...@gmail.com [mailto:juliocos...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Julio Costa Zambelli Sent: 26 September 2011 1:56 PM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: t...@openstreetmap.org; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] British Antarctic Territories Dear Andy, A _relatively_ unmapped area. The Villa Las Estrellas (Post Office, School, Library, Hospital, Bank, the Russian Ortodox Church, etc.), the Base Presidente Eduardo Frei Montalva, and the Aeródromo Teniente Rodolfo Marsh (runway, apron, and VOR beacon), all in the Isla Rey Jorge (King George Island) have been mapped for a couple of years (Jul/2009): http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-62.195lon=- 58.9767zoom=14layers=M Also the user Blazejos has been mapping the Arctowski (Polish) Base for some time: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-62.18318lon=- 58.47755zoom=15layers=M Best Regards, Julio Costa Zambelli OpenStreetMap Chile julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl http://www.openstreetmap.cl/ Cel: +56(9)89981083 Postal: Casilla 9002, Correo 3, Viña del Mar, Chile On 26 September 2011 07:57, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: An unmapped area in OSM currently is the Antarctic Peninsular south of Argentina. Thanks to the National Library of Australia I have a number of mostly out of copyright (or nearly so) British Ordnance Survey Maps for the British Antarctic Territories . The full list of them can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OS_Misc_maps.pdf An example for Deception Island: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OS_DeceptionIsland1960.pn g If anyone is interested in this area let me know and I'll include getting the maps scanned when I'm done others. Most of the maps will have limited positional accuracy because the surveying was mostly done by various Antarctic survey traverses, they do however have plenty of place/natural feature names that will be useful. Place Names should be those as agreed by the Antarctic Place-names Committee (APC). Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] RSPB Middleton Lakes mis-tagged
Its tompople again. He's tracing from Streetview or 1:25k adding mostly streams and other water features etc. I've just had to fix a few of the pools/lakes around there that have been broken. He needs to be checking with BING as well and ideally not mess with anything that's already present. Brian, any recent correspondence from him? My email to him of a month or so back did not get any response. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] Sent: 06 September 2011 11:28 AM To: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] RSPB Middleton Lakes mis-tagged Somebody had tagged RSPB Middleton Lakes with boundary=national park. I've changed, but someone with the know-how might like to check that eidtor's other edits, in case it was part of a wider set of subtle vandalism. Of course, it might have been a good-faith mistake. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Albert Street
While going into the city on the train last evening I spotted that Albert street and parts of the roads that connect to it (Fox Street, Grosvenor Street, Bartholomew Stree) have been closed off while the do redevelopment work I guess in the two plots of land straddling Albert Street. I didn't get enough details to map it properly. Needs a ground survey if anyone is in the area soon? They have also started work on constructing another building or car park to the east of Millennium Point. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.481714lon=-1.887519zoom=18layers=M Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Road Improvements
Awesome work Brian, What's with the one-way invisible Burnt Tree Island though ;-) For those that wish to inspect: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.44476lon=-1.93657zoom=16layers=M and http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.513407lon=-2.06317zoom=18layers=M Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 August 2011 4:57 PM To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Road Improvements Hi All Selly Oak Relief Road now mapped and edited. While I was at it I also did the new junction at Burnt Tree Island in Dudley Regards Brian ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] FW: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Monarch's way distributed mapping party Saturday October 8th
Widening out to the rest of the gb list. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 August 2011 3:11 PM To: talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Monarch's way distributed mapping party Saturday October 8th Hi everyone After many hours wrestling with wiki formatting (ugh!) there's a page devoted to this event where you can sign up http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Monarch%27s_Way_Distibuted_Mapping_Party_ October_8 Regards Brian ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Monarch's way distributed mapping party Saturday October 8th
I'd say so Nick. No reason why the wiki page couldn't be expanded to cover the whole 9 yards (well 615miles ;-) ) Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Nick Whitelegg [mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk] Sent: 24 August 2011 3:23 PM To: li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] FW: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Monarch's way distributed mapping party Saturday October 8th Could this be distributed to other parts of the UK I wonder? The Monarch's Way passes near me, we could probably do something down south too. Nick -SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: - To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org From: SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk Date: 24/08/2011 01:31PM Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] FW: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Monarch's way distributed mapping party Saturday October 8th On 24/08/2011 13:14, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Widening out to the rest of the gb list. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 August 2011 3:11 PM To: talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Monarch's way distributed mapping party Saturday October 8th Seems to have moved - I'm guessing here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Monarch%27s_Way_Distibuted_ Mapping_Party_October_8 (and hopefully the link will survive the mailing list OK) Cheers, Another Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb = ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] October Monarchs Way event
Not the 1st Oct for me as it's the Cycle Show at the NEC. 8th would be my preference though could also do the 15th. I don't recommend beyond that as we hit the school half term on the 22nd. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 06 August 2011 2:41 PM To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] October Monarchs Way event Hi everyone Following on from the discussion at the August meeting to have a mapping event on a Saturday in October, we decided that the greatest inclusion and interest would be generated by people electing to survey a section of the Monarchs Way which meanders through large tracts of the region. Which Saturdays are best for everyone at the moment? Once we've fixed on a date we are planning to extend the event to the rest of the UK to see if we can get participants elsewhere on the 500 mile Long distance path. I'll also create a wiki page where people can sign up to a section. If us midlanders want to meet up towards the end of the day somewhere we'll also need a venue but that can come later. For Andy Mabbett ( and anyone else who's interested) the heritage itomap layer is at http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/ito_map/main?view=88. You can't see it in the main site overlay dropdown as it's a special created for my hunt of listed bdgs Regards Brian ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] FW: [Talk-GB] Routing and other problems west of Uttoxeter
-Original Message- From: Paul Williams [mailto:pjwde...@googlemail.com] Sent: 08 August 2011 11:47 AM To: talk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Routing and other problems west of Uttoxeter I've found that there is still a big problem with unconnected roads in the area west of Uttoxeter (including in Stoke-on-Trent), as well as various other problems including self intersecting and overlapping roads, and invalid turn restrictions (for example, http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1633622/history). The problems have been found on major roads such as the A50 as well as minor roads and paths in a large area mainly around North Staffordshire, so I'm guessing that the current data is largely useless for routing in the area. I've so far fixed some of the problems along the A50 in Stoke and am currently working on sorting out the Longton area, but could do with some help to fix the rest. Cheers Paul Williams (Paul The Archivist) On 11 July 2011 17:47, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 28/06/2011 20:45, Richard Bullock wrote: It seems Mr Darren39 has simply nuked all of my contributions in the north and east of the town, and replaced them with his own - and none of the ways connect to any other ways. A whole section of the A523 is missing. Much of the replacements are a complete mess. I've just noticed that there are similar issues west of Uttoxeter. I've mailed him about the deletion but do not expect a reply. Down there is a bit out of my area so am mentioning it here in case anyone needs a heads-up. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Tomorrow Night
I'm guessing that mostly he's been adding bits of the Black Country Urban Forest (though its hardly a forest!) http://www.dudley.gov.uk/environment-planning/countryside/trees/black-countr y-urban-forest-millennium-program/ See you later. Not sure what I'll be mapping yet, but I'm sure I can find something ;-) Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 August 2011 7:56 PM To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Tomorrow Night Hi All Weather permitting I'm heading to an area south of Black Patch Park to investigate a large area of forest added by user Tom Pople. See you about 8! Regards Brian ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Midlands Social on 4th Aug
Reminder that our next OSM midlands social is on Thur August 4th. This time at The Black Eagle, a fantastic old fashioned pub on Factory Road in Smethwick. Some of us will be doing a spot of mapping in the area before about 8pm. Details: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia The pub is within walking distance of the Soho, Benson Road metro station Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] Midlands Social on 4th Aug
Reminder that our next OSM midlands social is on Thur August 4th. This time at The Black Eagle, a fantastic old fashioned pub on Factory Road in Smethwick. Some of us will be doing a spot of mapping in the area before about 8pm. Details: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia The pub is within walking distance of the Soho, Benson Road metro station Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Thursday meet
You mean Harborne I hope Mike ;-) Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Mike Duffy [mailto:mdbg02...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 05 July 2011 11:10 PM To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Thursday meet Anyone going to Halesowen on Thursday evening? Miked29 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK
Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] wrote: Sent: 04 July 2011 2:03 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData and ODbL OK Mike Collinson wrote: I would like to thank the Ordnance Survey for their kind consideration and the speed in which they were able to give a response. ...and thank you, Mike and Henk, for taking this on. +1 to that Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot
Frederik, I am subspecies from the universe P281/304-II. I am a bit like a wasp, often referred to as a Yellow (High-Viz) Jacket. I annoy streets, post boxes, garden fences and hedges and anything else I can find that is floating I the ether and root it into OSM. I know nothing of imports except for bumping into bus_stops that are in the wrong place from some alien import. They hurt but I move them into their rightful locations when I find them. Thankfully there aren't too many similar features in my area to concern me. Alas I fear I am not the best person to write the paper of which you speak, since I am most likely to just chew it up and make a nest out of it. I'll stick to mapping. Cheers OSM_wasp_clone#462297 (with spatial extension upgrade 'OCOSMD') -Original Message- From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org] Sent: 10 June 2011 7:06 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot Hi, On 06/09/11 18:01, SteveC wrote: I know it's fashionable to claim imports are bad, what I seek is actual data. As in, A comparative study of the development of the OSM community in X in the standard universe where data has been imported, and in parallel universe P281/304-II where all other factors are unchanged but no data has been imported? Bye Frederik ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot
-Original Message- From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org] Sent: 10 June 2011 3:39 PM To: SteveC Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot Hi, SteveC wrote: Or as close to it as possible, yes. I don't care what the result is, it's just too fashionable to automatically believe the imports are bad thing. Funny that you should use the word fashionable, as if to discount those who say it as merely following a fashion instead of possibly having a mind of their own. If I remember correctly, it used to be the other way round; when TIGER was imported, everyone went aaah and oooh - myself included -, and even when AND became available there were very few, if any, complaints. It is only in the recent past that a more critical view of imports has established itself in the community. One should ask: What has happened (or has not happened) in the mean time? - That would perhaps go some way to explain the fashion. I have a feeling that no imports is fashionable in the same way as no smoking. It's a fairly recent development, that's true, but it is based on experience and observation; it's not just a fad. And it is unlikely to turn around again any time soon. +1 My feeling is that we did most of the early (and perhaps current) imports fairly blindly. TIGER needed two attempts and we still ended up with a bag of marbles despite much valuable work by Dave Hansen and others. The AND data was discussed and pulled apart by the NL community for quite a while but still it raised some questions afterwards. All this should be telling us something thats actually quite obvious. Other peoples data is exactly that, other peoples data. If we want it in OSM then as long as we accept it doesn't fit our expectations (and most of it never will) then perhaps we can live it (or not). I recall when AND data was imported we also had some data from them for China, which when a bit of checking was done by someone with some knowledge of reality on the ground turned out to be more fiction and fantasy than useful geographical information. Hence we ignored it. It's always going to be a difficult call to agree that an import is good or bad for OSM, even if many folks spend many hours working the mapping of tags etc etc. And it's not so easy to do anything about a poor import once it's in OSM. So in reality we are dammed if we do and dammed if we don't. Cheers Andy Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot
Nice work Matt Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Matt Amos [mailto:zerebub...@gmail.com] Sent: 10 June 2011 4:20 PM To: SteveC Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org; Richard Fairhurst Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: There are tons of things. People drive in the US so pubs are difficult to arrange things around. Mapping in the US is boring because of the big gridded cities. I map much less in the US than the UK. It's not just that there are roads there already, which by the way is a good thing because I have sat for hours correcting them against aerial. It's just not that simple to say imports killed it. some interesting facts: http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/editors_urban_per_month.png http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/editor_growth_comparison.png when the AND import ran (around sep '07), it seems the NL community was already about an order of magnitude larger than the US community when the TIGER import ran (roughly sep '07 - feb '08). in the comparison, with fewer countries but the time base adjusted so that they all hit 1 user per month per million urban population at the same time, it's pretty clear to see that the UK, NL and RU communities seem to be carving roughly the same path. the germans grew much faster over their first 3 years than other communities. the US is difficult to interpret. one view is that it grew at approximately the same rate as UK, NL and RU until about 1.5 years in, where it plateaus. that's late 2009, when there was lots of TIGER fixup activity and some big mapping parties (e.g: Atlanta). the alternative view is that the growth rate is actually smaller, but that there's a temporary peak mid-late 2009 which masks that. given that these numbers are normalised to the *urban* population, population density issues don't come into it - we're basically looking at cities. and given that AT and RU have a much lower proportion of their populations in urban areas than the US. Canada has about the same urbanisation as the US, and similar gridded cities, and similar attitudes to driving [1], but a growth curve the same as France or Spain. this doesn't tell us what the cause of slow community growth in the US is, but it does tell us that it isn't population density, it isn't driving attitudes and it isn't the interestingness (or not) of the road layout. cheers, matt [1] 77% of Canadians use public transport a few times a year or less, compared with 88% of those in the US, 48% in the UK and 13% in Russia, according to http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/kbenfield/natgeo_surveys_countries_tran s.html ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] June social
Folks, we don't have a location planned for the next social on June 2nd. Anyone wish to suggest somewhere? Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Distinctly Black Country
Richard Fairhurst pointed out this website today. They have a launch which may be of interest to folks: http://distinctlyblackcountry.org.uk/launch/ Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] On footpaths
Peter, thanks for reminding me of the link. It's useful to get a picture of what's going on here. To add my few words on the subject matter to respond to Peter Oliver's original question Since I came up with the old way I guess I should expand on my original thinking. When considering all types of ways I wanted as much as possible to simplify the root key/value pairs so that you only needed to refer to a few. My intention therefore was that any highway traversed by foot would a highway=footway. Simples as my little meerkat friends say. Now of course there are many types of footway, some paved, some not, some with access rights (permissive or public) and some which nobody seems to know the status of. Some are just worn down routes in the grass over which folks walk their dogs and after the winter maybe they reappear on a different alignment. In my view all of these are highway=footway, nothing more or less should be implied other than that their highest denominator is that you only pass over them on foot, ie they are not for bikes, horses, cars etc. To my thinking highway=path is meaningless because it doesn't tell me anything useful at all. It's a bit like highway=road which has the same wishy-washy problems. All the other stuff, eg type of construction, access rights etc etc are additional tags you might add if you were so inclined. Of course you can decide to infer that if there are no other tags that the footway carries certain other properties and perhaps depending on location (rural or urban) there is a good chance the larger percentage of instances will be correct. Eg for paved or unpaved surfaces. Not perfect but closer than not considering anything at all. Anyway, I'll be keeping with highway=footway and perhaps will add other tags as I feel like it at the time. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Peter Miller [mailto:peter.mil...@itoworld.com] Sent: 04 May 2011 3:57 PM To: Ed Avis Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] On footpaths On 4 May 2011 15:39, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Richard Fairhurst richard@... writes: The general practice in this country is to use footway for paved paths in cities and path for muddier countryside ones (or, perhaps, through city parks). Um, no it isn't. There is absolutely no consensus for using =path in the countryside rather than =footway. I strongly suspect that if you analysed the data in the UK countryside, you would find 80% footway, 20% path. Ah, sorry for making such a rash generalization. What I should have said is that to the extent path is used instead of footway, it has a sense of being an unsurfaced path. Footway is used too even in the countryside. Here is a global map view showing highway=footway in blue and highway=path in brown. http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/ito_map/main?view=97 There is indeed something like an 80/20 split in the UK with noticeable enthusiasm for 'path' in some parts of the country and a noticable preference for its use in the countryside over the town. In Germany the preference is stronger. This map will remain viewable but will not appear in the pull-down list of standard views so do please bookmark it if you want to come back to it. Regards, Peter Miller -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] On footpaths
Adam Hoyle [mailto:adam.li...@dotankstudios.com] wrote: Sent: 04 May 2011 6:07 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] On footpaths This is a very interesting discussion. I've been walking and then adding footpaths north of High Wycombe / south of Wendover and surrounding areas for a couple of years, but for various felt-too-much-like-work reasons I've only just joined this mailing list in the last few weeks. Fwiw I had thought that footway meant an official footpath and path meant an non-official, but obviously well used footpath, not that I used path that often tbh. I'm glad to hear about the designation tag, as that makes things a bit clearer, but how does designation work with highway=bridleway? Should I be adding both? I'd say yes. In a UK centric thinking it's probably sufficient to ignore it since on the whole if you can take your horse over the route its probably most likely to be an official designated public Bridleway. But I'm sure there will be those that can point to exceptions. Cheers Andy Cheers, Adam On 4 May 2011, at 14:37, SomeoneElse wrote: On 04/05/2011 13:22, Peter Oliver wrote: . There's an old method of tagging ways suitable for pedestrians, and a new method. I'd ignore the new method as documented there. It was added by a wikifiddler a couple of months ago and bears no resemblance to common usage in the UK. The huge table that was added also makes the page pretty much illegible. The new method is not wrong, but doesn't add any more information and involves more typing. Personally, I'll record new footpaths as highway=footway, and if someone already mapped one as highway=path, foot=blah I'll leave it at that. Life's too short for edit wars. As well as echoing what other people have said (e.g. recording designation=public_footpath if there's a sign) what I would add is to see please get mapping! Don't worry about getting 100% of the detail at the first attempt (if someone spots later that something was actually a bridleway and not just a footpath they can change it). Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Reminder - RE: Tamworth micro map OSM Midlands social
Reminder that the next midlands social (including micro map for those that wish) is this Thursday in Tamworth. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 April 2011 3:27 PM To: talk...@openstreetmap.org; talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Tamworth micro map OSM Midlands social At last night's Midlands social we decided to have another attack on Tamworth as there is still much to do there. Therefore the social next month on May 5th will be in Tamworth. It would be great if we could have a big turnout and it would be fantastic to see some faces from outside our local region too. We generally agree where we are mapping beforehand to save meeting at a particular time. This allows those that wish to be mapping in the later afternoon/early evening to get a head start. Meeting in the pub is normally around 8pm as the light fails. Full details are on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up Any questions please reply to the list or leave a note on the wiki page. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap
Thanks for response Andy. I'm with you regarding tagging the NB as ncn= for the reasons you give. Appreciate all your hard work in keeping the cyclemap up and running. It's a fantastic resource. On your note re Sustrans walking/cycling I did the same chuckle. I'm also surprised that they haven't yet changed the standard ranger sticker from the cycling one to the one that adds the pedestrian at the top as well. Every ranger patch I put up I have to add the walking/cycling (SPB) patch which is just a waste. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:gravityst...@gmail.com] Sent: 20 April 2011 9:23 AM To: monxton Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:22 PM, monxton gm...@jordan-maynard.org wrote: So I hope his sense of humour is robust enough for me to mention that it's 3.5 years since since the schedule for rendering the National Byway was this week. eeek! Let's face it though, in the face of trying to keep the server running under ever-increasing pressures, and dealing with problems and improvements in the cartography that affect the whole planet, it's not hugely surprising that the National Byway hasn't quite bubbled up to the top of my todo list. I mean, the key hasn't been updated in 3.5 years either, and I've never gotten around to documenting my wonderful system for highlighting places that serve fryups, and I think both of those are more important :-) But on the National Byway issue, there are a few fundamental things. I've pretty much settled on not adding any new types of cycle route highlighting, since I think three levels of hierarchy have pretty much proven sufficient in many different countries. I disagree (with Richard) that there's anything fundamentally different between a cycle route of national importance organised by one UK charity as opposed to a cycle route of national importance organised by a different UK charity. However, I'm aware that we are doing lots of non-cyclists a disfavour by classifying the national byway as only being for cycling (with the route=bicycle tag). If we keep the route=bicycle I would suggest network=ncn, name = National Byway and therefore bring it into line with all the other national cycling routes in every other country in OSM. If anyone cares about the differences between a Sustrans route and other routes, then the operator tag would be appropriate. So I expect to render it at some point (still), but it's never really been a great priority for me, and when it does get rendered I'll be treating it the same way as all the other national cycling routes[1] around the world. Cheers, Andy [1] I was at a Sustrans rangers meeting once where the big guns were discussing the fact that their network was for both cyclists and walkers, and why did so many people think it was only for cyclists. I laughed slightly and pointed out that they'd called it the National Cycle Network and the clue to the cause of the confusion might be in the name. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3584 - Release Date: 04/19/11 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap
Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] wrote: Sent: 20 April 2011 10:17 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap Andy Allan wrote: If we keep the route=bicycle I would suggest network=ncn, name = National Byway and therefore bring it into line with all the other national cycling routes in every other country in OSM. Strongly disagree. But then you know that. :) I think the root (route?) problem is that we're tagging everything as networks even if they're not. I've been as guilty as anyone of this: when I mapped the Four Castles Cycle Route around Abergavenny, I tagged it as lcn, just to get it to render. But it isn't a network, really. It's just a route. Lots of other people have done this, to the extent that I wince whenever I look at OCM at z13 - all that obtrusive dark blue in places which really don't have local cycle networks at all. This raises an important point that cropped up last week in Brum where Brian had tagged a serious of routes that the local campaign group, Pushbikes, are promoting. The issue was that these routes don't exist on the ground. Like a bus route there is nothing really to tell you a route exists though there is clearly information around (paper map etc) that confirms they do and shows you where they go, a bus route map would be similar. So for me whether it is part of a network or not is immaterial. As far as I'm concerned using ncn/lcn/lcn is the best way of tagging a signed logical route whether its part of a bigger network or not. For routes that are not signed perhaps another layer is needed so that you can print the route and follow it but it doesn't clutter the signed physical network version of the cycle map. For now I've removed the lcn tags from a couple of the Pushbikes unsigned routes in Brum and Brian and I have it on our to-do to work out how best to handle them locally going forwards as we want to help promote Pushbikes excellent work. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Licence change
West Mids mappers... If you haven't logged into your OSM account or done any editing recently you may be unaware of the forthcoming proposed licence change for OSM. A major part of that process is to sign up to new contributor terms. If you have not logged into OSM recently could you please do so and decided whether you wish to accept the new contributor terms or not. Personally I encourage you to do so though I appreciate it's your choice. Its important to make a decision so that data you have already contributed can be left in or removed as required should the change in licence go ahead. The link below shows is centred on Brum and highlights in red those ways in the map data where contribution is from someone who has declined the new terms (almost zero thankfully). Green means all contributors for a given way have agreed and blue means one or more are undecided (user hasn't agreed or declined yet). The other hues are various in-between states where an object has seen many editors of it over the last 6 years of OSM. See below the map for the key. http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/?zoom=13lat=52.48479lon=-1.89151; layers=B0 The map shows plenty of green for the west mids which is excellent, that's principally because the major contributors have already agreed to the new terms. If you need more info on the licence change process see the following link: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap
monxton [mailto:gm...@jordan-maynard.org] wrote: Sent: 19 April 2011 3:24 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap Lately I've been doing some tagging of the South-West region of the National Byway, and I'm finding it quite disappointing that it is not rendered on the cycle map. I've rummaged around in the history of this issue and located what I think are the most relevant thread starters: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-May/009449.html http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2007- September/005861.html also Richard's summary on the forum: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=4141 These, and other threads I haven't listed, tend to end with Andy saying that he will render the National Byway tags in their own colour some time in the future. I guess we need to be patient with Andy. Yes it would be nice to see it rendered as a brown line or whatever with little http://www.thenationalbyway.org/img/nb_logo.gif shields instead of the Sustrans NCN numbering. But I'm sure it will happen eventually. Is there any likelihood that that time is nigh? I know this sounds like a nag, so if there anything that can be done (style files?) to help get to that point, I'm happy to volunteer. (I know not everyone here cares for the National Byway. For me, it hits the spot for route planning much better than the Sustrans routes, which tend to be just too slow for long journeys.) The two are trying to do very different things, each to their own. Cheers Andy (Yet another Sustrans Volunteer) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Contributor Terms vs OS OpenData Licence
Robert Whittaker (OSM) [mailto:robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com]wrote Sent: 18 April 2011 2:13 PM To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] OSM Contributor Terms vs OS OpenData Licence I've just declined the new OSM Contributor Terms (CTs), because I've previously made edits based on OS OpenData, and my understanding is that the Ordnance Survey (OS) OpenData Licence is incompatible with the current version of the OSM Contributor Terms (1.2.4). I appreciate that licence discussion really belongs on legal-talk, but I thought I should post this here about this UK-specific issue -- in order to prevent people signing up to the new CTs without realizing the potential incompatibility with OS OpenData-derived content. My reasoning for the incompatibility is as follows: The OS OpenData License [1] clearly states that any sub-licences must include a specific attribution requirement, and must also enforce a similar attribution requirement on any further downstream usage. If you make sure your OS derived contributions carry the source information then that attribution will be in the OSM db for all to see for ever and a day, regardless of what OSMF does with it in the future under some other free and open format. And yes, I have signed up for the CT's and ODbL. I have no qualms at all about that. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Tamworth micro map OSM Midlands social
At last night's Midlands social we decided to have another attack on Tamworth as there is still much to do there. Therefore the social next month on May 5th will be in Tamworth. It would be great if we could have a big turnout and it would be fantastic to see some faces from outside our local region too. We generally agree where we are mapping beforehand to save meeting at a particular time. This allows those that wish to be mapping in the later afternoon/early evening to get a head start. Meeting in the pub is normally around 8pm as the light fails. Full details are on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up Any questions please reply to the list or leave a note on the wiki page. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?
Ed Avis [mailto:e...@waniasset.com] wrote: Sent: 04 April 2011 11:08 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import? I've stopped tagging route_ref because according to the wiki the preferred way to map bus routes is as a relation. Does that reflect the accepted practice in this country? I'm still adding route_refs to the stops because I'm doing the routes and the info is useful. Plus all the west midlands stops carry the route ref details so its vaild info for the stop. The biggest problem is that the route numbers keep changing and this has stopped others from mapping this data. Cheers Andy What uses the bus route data anyway? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] West Midlands social reminder for this Thursday 7th April
Reminder that our next social is this Thursday 7th April from 7pm. Usual venue, The Bull, on Price Street, Birmingham http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?
For those not aware, Christoph Böhme put together NOVAM: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN/Novam A useful resource for checking out bus stop status in an area though I'm not sure of its current status with respect to data reliability. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Stuart Grimshaw [mailto:stuart.grims...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 April 2011 2:19 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import? On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM sk53_...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: a) Do not import any NaPTAN data in areas where imports have already taken place. Experience shows that detailed survey correction of NaPTAN data is not to be undertaken lightly. IIRC about 10% is wrong. The best data are for Hullwhere Chris Hill surveyed the lot. I have done only about 20% of Nottingham's NaPTAN stops and have a similar error rate. Unfortunately processing NaPTAN alongside primary surveying just didnt prove viable, but there are plenty of stops which no longer exist, have moved or dont exist on the ground. b) Check with any mappers in the area before performing an import. There may be good reasons why they have not requested one in the past. c) The best approach would be to host current NaPTAN data in a location where OSM data can be compared then mappers could choose to import it. Having an application which did this would be way more useful than shoehorning NaPTAN data in on its own. I think this is a great idea Jerry, an app for people to compare what OSM holds already against what's in the latest version of NAPTAN, the data we were looking at was a few days old. What's the maximum area or number of points a tool like this would normally import? You don't want someone just selecting the whole of the UK then importing them. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3549 - Release Date: 04/04/11 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?
Derick, I thought Christoph had it working with the various formats of verified. Try changing the scheme (bottom right) and see if that changes anything Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Derick Rethans [mailto:o...@derickrethans.nl] Sent: 04 April 2011 10:29 AM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: 'Stuart Grimshaw'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import? On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: For those not aware, Christoph Böhme put together NOVAM: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN/Novam Oh, that is awesome. But instead of deleting the n:verified tag, I have set it to yes everywhere and sadly Novam sees that as not verified. Would it be difficult to add/change this? cheers, Derick -- http://derickrethans.nl | http://xdebug.org Like Xdebug? Consider a donation: http://xdebug.org/donate.php twitter: @derickr and @xdebug No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3549 - Release Date: 04/04/11 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import?
The Birmingham scheme should show a naptan:verified=yes as green (assuming all other tags ok) as that's what I asked Christoph to add because I was doing the same as you, I.e. adding naptan:verified=yes rather than deleting the tag. Not sure though if it works for a plan verified tag without the naptan in front. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Derick Rethans [mailto:o...@derickrethans.nl] Sent: 04 April 2011 10:34 AM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: 'Derick Rethans'; 'Stuart Grimshaw'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Rebooting the NAPTAN import? On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: I thought Christoph had it working with the various formats of verified. Try changing the scheme (bottom right) and see if that changes anything I've tried already... and although it does change things, it doesn't do the verified=yes approach in any variant. cheers, Derick -- http://derickrethans.nl | http://xdebug.org Like Xdebug? Consider a donation: http://xdebug.org/donate.php twitter: @derickr and @xdebug No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3549 - Release Date: 04/04/11 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode finder based on OSM data
Matt Williams [mailto:li...@milliams.com] wrote: Sent: 16 March 2011 7:51 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Postcode finder based on OSM data Greetings all, For the last week I've been working on a sort of 'replacement' for the Royal Mail's postcode/address finder (you know, the one with the ~5 queries a day limit without an account) [1] but based entirely on data in the OSM database. You can find my site at [2]. It's features are: - Covers the whole of Britain (based on the Geofabrik great_britain.osm.pbf file from 15 March) - Can search by full or partial postcode - Can search for street and house number or just for street name - Largely based on the Karlsruhe Schema (including the associatedStreet relation for grouping houses together) - Has a tagging guide [3] to help document the tags the system uses - Fully open-source [4] - 'Error' reporting - these are currently only shown at the bottom of the page with the error. I will probably make a map out of this at some point. I currently measure about a quarter of a million 'address points' - that is objects with a postcode or with both a housenumber and a street (associates street or addr:street). This compares with the reported 28 million entries in the Royal Mail's PAF. I will provide a more detailed breakdown when I get a chance. Of course in its current state it's not a competitor for the PAF but I'm hoping that the if you render it, they will map it rule will apply here to encourage people to add postcodes and addresses. I guess a good postcode to look at is B72 [5] given the excellent work done at [6]. I've also been doing a lot in CV4 so that should be quite good too. Please take a look a the site and give me any feedback on anything you like or don't like. As I said this is only about a week's part-time work so it's unpolished in many places but I figure that RERO is a good idea here. There are a number of features I am still planning on implementing which are recoded at [7,8]. The first time you connect to the site it might take a while to load but after that it should be snappy enough. Works a treat and it's great to see all my hard work with addressing for the B72 postcodes. Cheers Andy Regards, Matt Williams http://milliams.com [1] http://postcode.royalmail.com [2] http://milliams.dev.openstreetmap.org/postcodefinder/ [3] http://milliams.dev.openstreetmap.org/postcodefinder/tagging/ [4] http://gitorious.org/postcodefinder [5] http://milliams.dev.openstreetmap.org/postcodefinder/search/?postcode=B 72 [6] http://blog.mappa-mercia.org/2011/02/whats-in-postcode.html [7] http://gitorious.org/postcodefinder/postcode- analyser/blobs/master/TODO.rst [8] http://gitorious.org/postcodefinder/postcodefinder/blobs/master/TODO.rst ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3511 - Release Date: 03/16/11 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Reminder: OSM Midlands Social this thursday
Reminder that the next midlands social is this Thursday 3rd March from 7:00pm at The Bull, Price Street, Birmingham http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] Reminder: OSM Midlands Social this thursday
Reminder that the next midlands social is this Thursday 3rd March from 7:00pm at The Bull, Price Street, Birmingham http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] XAPI and using a home server
Graham Jones [mailto:grahamjones...@gmail.com] wrote: Sent: 22 February 2011 9:01 PM To: Roland Olbricht Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] XAPI and using a home server Roland, Thanks for this - I had never heard of OSM3S. I'll have a look at it. It sounds as though the database handling is part of the OSM3S code, rather than using an external database engine? If the hardware requirements are as modest as you say I can imagine using this as a replacement for calling xapi to download town sized areas of OSM data for rendering. Exactly my thought. Most interesting, will have to give it a try. Thanks for this Roland. Cheers Andy Regards Graham. On 22 February 2011 20:27, Roland Olbricht roland.olbri...@gmx.de wrote: Well, there could perhaps be another solution, like running your own XAPI server - the minutely diffs are usually less than 100Kb, so the required bandwidth to download from planet.openstreetmap.org would be less than 2 Kb/second in average. But the question is - how large would be the planet database on disk (how large would it get once you import the planet dump) Triggered by your request, I've made a deployable version of OSM3S. It needs only modest hardware requirements (1 GB RAM and 40 GB hard disk space for the entire world). See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM3S/install It has a different syntax than XAPI and partly different capabilities, but if you work with map data and don't need metadata about users, you likely can use it. Cheers, Roland ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3461 - Release Date: 02/22/11 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3461 - Release Date: 02/22/11 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] B72 is a wrap
Looks like you fixed it? Perhaps just needs to be rerendered. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] Sent: 16 February 2011 3:50 PM To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] B72 is a wrap On 14 February 2011 13:31, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: http://blog.mappa-mercia.org/2011/02/whats-in-postcode.html I've tried to emulate your work, but my fences aren't rendering: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.551978lon=- 1.891105zoom=18layers=M what have I missed/ done wrong? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3446 - Release Date: 02/15/11 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Nominatim searches in Brum
Doing some Brum searches with nominatim has revealed that we have some issues with place= conflicts. We have a mixture of suburb, town, village and hamlet nodes in Birmingham and the West Mids generally and sometimes this leads to unexpected results, like roads in Sutton Coldfield being in Castle Vale because castle Vale is set as a suburb and Sutton Coldfield is not. Before I go retagging stuff I thought perhaps we should discuss and agree how we best tag places within the West Mids conurbation. Something we can chat about at the next social too if you want to give it some thought. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] 1:25k OS OOC mapping for Stafford and Cannock areas
I've added a few more OS 1:25k OOC maps in the north of our region, Stafford specifically: http://ooc.openstreetmap.org/?zoom=15lat=52.80764lon=-2.11929layers=000B0 The low zoom tiles will catch up at some point. To use this layer when editing see: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Provisional/First_Edition Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] B72 is a wrap
Hi Lawrence, I tend to try and tag stuff with its primary purpose. If I really do think its more than one then I either split the object up (eg separate retail outlets within one building) or occasionally use a semicolon (like on bus stops to denote the multitude of route_ref's). Anything more complicated I ignore (though I may have made a note) on the basis that the low hanging fruit rule ok! I use the note tag mostly for some piece of information I want to convey to the next person visiting the object. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Laurence Penney [mailto:l...@lorp.org] Sent: 14 February 2011 9:15 PM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] B72 is a wrap Stunning work, Andy. I've recently been pointing people to Sutton Coldfield as an example of the standard to which we Bristolians should be aspiring. One rambling question for now... As one maps an area in such detail, what kind of principle do you operate when you encounter useful information that can't yet usefully[1] go into OSM for now. The blurry lines between pub, bar, cafe, restaurant and fast food are well-known examples, that I am often tempted to represent using the semicolon. Buildings with multiple uses, such as art centres with galleries, cinemas and cafe-bars, are another common complexity for which multiple nodes feels like a hack that will cause too much information, or at least too much text, on most renderers. And you mention the issue of multiple floors - Bristol's new Cabot Circus shopping centre is a scary mapping prospect on that score alone. Maybe in other words I'm asking: how often and with what methodology do you use the 'note' key? - L [1] i.e. render, or be useful in other well-known OSM-powered services... or at least be added without confusing simple-minded renderers that can't handle amenity=cafe;bar On 14 Feb 2011, at 13:31, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: http://blog.mappa-mercia.org/2011/02/whats-in-postcode.html Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3444 - Release Date: 02/14/11 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] B72 is a wrap
Lawrence, One thing I forgot to add. On occasion where it's difficult to add stuff without it conflicting with something else (like a snooker hall over shops for example) I might make closed ways for the retail units and then simply add a node for the snooker hall. Better than ignoring the data completely. In a couple of occasions this week I have tried overlapping closed ways over each other (some shared boundaries some not) to represent diffent uses at different levels. It sort of works in the model ok but it doesn't render well. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Laurence Penney [mailto:l...@lorp.org] Sent: 14 February 2011 9:15 PM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] B72 is a wrap Stunning work, Andy. I've recently been pointing people to Sutton Coldfield as an example of the standard to which we Bristolians should be aspiring. One rambling question for now... As one maps an area in such detail, what kind of principle do you operate when you encounter useful information that can't yet usefully[1] go into OSM for now. The blurry lines between pub, bar, cafe, restaurant and fast food are well-known examples, that I am often tempted to represent using the semicolon. Buildings with multiple uses, such as art centres with galleries, cinemas and cafe-bars, are another common complexity for which multiple nodes feels like a hack that will cause too much information, or at least too much text, on most renderers. And you mention the issue of multiple floors - Bristol's new Cabot Circus shopping centre is a scary mapping prospect on that score alone. Maybe in other words I'm asking: how often and with what methodology do you use the 'note' key? - L [1] i.e. render, or be useful in other well-known OSM-powered services... or at least be added without confusing simple-minded renderers that can't handle amenity=cafe;bar On 14 Feb 2011, at 13:31, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: http://blog.mappa-mercia.org/2011/02/whats-in-postcode.html Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3444 - Release Date: 02/14/11 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] B72 is a wrap
Ed Avis [mailto:e...@waniasset.com] wrote: Sent: 15 February 2011 3:32 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] B72 is a wrap Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists ajrlists@... writes: http://blog.mappa-mercia.org/2011/02/whats-in-postcode.html Great work! How can you tell when you have every postcode and is there some way of checking them against the OS OpenData postcode centroids? Just by being systematic. If you have Chillly's codepoint postcode layer sitting over BING its easy in the editor to assign the postcodes as you see them when adding buildings. In retail areas things go awry a bit (like many traditional banks seeming to have a unique postcode) but its easy enough to check the main retail chain's websites for their correct addresses to make sure you have used the right postcode and other than for larger buildings mostly even runs of retail units share the same postcode, even in my local shopping mall. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Armchair-mapping postcodes (was: B72 is a wrap)
Ed Avis [mailto:e...@waniasset.com] wrote: Sent: 15 February 2011 5:24 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Armchair-mapping postcodes (was: B72 is a wrap) Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists ajrlists@... writes: Great work! How can you tell when you have every postcode and is there some way of checking them against the OS OpenData postcode centroids? Just by being systematic. If you have Chillly's codepoint postcode layer sitting over BING its easy in the editor to assign the postcodes as you see them when adding buildings. http://www.raggedred.net/codepoint/ I see - so you can use your judgement to work out the area of a postcode based on its centroid and the streets and buildings nearby. It's not that simple. You need to do the ground survey first to get the house numbers and work out which property belongs to which street. Once you know that you can then assign the postcode. All the area of B72 I mapped out has been walked to get the building numbers first. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Armchair-mapping postcodes (was: B72 is a wrap)
Ed Avis [mailto:e...@waniasset.com] wrote: Sent: 15 February 2011 5:40 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Armchair-mapping postcodes (was: B72 is a wrap) Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists ajrlists@... writes: http://www.raggedred.net/codepoint/ I see - so you can use your judgement to work out the area of a postcode based on its centroid and the streets and buildings nearby. It's not that simple. You need to do the ground survey first to get the house numbers and work out which property belongs to which street. Ah, right. I thought it sounded too good to be true! Jerry C. also pointed out that house numbers have to be present. So the ground survey is to add the house numbers - or I suppose just addr:street would be sufficient in most cases? - and then the armchair part is putting those together with the code point data to find buildings in a particular postcode. OSM's coverage of streets is much better than its coverage of buildings. Might it make sense to tag postcodes on ways? Nope, streets often have more than one postcode for the properties on that street. It's not the street that has a postcode anyway, it's the delivery points for the mail, i.e. the letterbox in your front door. Hence why I only tag the building with the full postcode. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Hello! I'm Phil.
Welcome Phil, look forward to meeting you. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Philip John [mailto:p...@philipjohn.co.uk] Sent: 14 February 2011 2:46 PM To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Hello! I'm Phil. Hi :) I've just joined - I'm Phil from Lichfield (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Philipjohn) Andy Mabbett pointed me here and to the wiki after I decided to finally take the plunge and get myself some OSM apps for my new phone. I'll hopefully be attending the next Mappa Mercia meeting where I guess I'll see some of you. All the best, Phil No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3442 - Release Date: 02/13/11 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] B72 is a wrap
http://blog.mappa-mercia.org/2011/02/whats-in-postcode.html Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Incorrect use of OS VectorMap District when mapping?
Henry Gomersall [mailto:h...@cantab.net] wrote: Sent: 10 February 2011 11:07 AM To: Peter Miller Cc: Talk GB Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Incorrect use of OS VectorMap District when mapping? On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 10:30 +, Peter Miller wrote: On reflection possibly we should use river-bank as that has more information in it, but recommend that anyone importing does a 'bridge cleanup' at the same time. This is an area I'm actually really interested in (for rural rivers) and keen to contribute. So far I've been put off by exactly this problem. Is a reasonable approach to use the OS data for river edges and then fill in the gaps (bridges etc) with OSM data? +1 If the OS vector data is only assumed to be the banks and the additional data for flow direction, bridges and other features are added from survey/BING etc then we should end up with a very functional dataset. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Reminder West Mids OSM social tomorrow (Thur)
Chaps, might not be able to make it in now. Have gone down with a bug so will have to see how I am later on. If I don't see you hope you have a fun evening. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 February 2011 9:26 AM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: talk...@openstreetmap.org; Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Reminder West Mids OSM social tomorrow (Thur) I'm afraid I can't make it - have fun! No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3419 - Release Date: 02/02/11 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] Reminder West Mids OSM social tomorrow (Thur)
Reminder that our next West Mids social in Birmingham is tomorrow night (Thur 3rd Feb) at The Bull. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia for details. We had an excellent showing last month so hoping to see everyone again tomorrow, oh and I'll try to remember to turn up on time ;-) Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fwd: Recommendations for cheap GPS for data-logging
Chris, Welcome :-) No experience with a logger of that type personally but as long as you get a logged point every 1 second then it's as good as anything else we use. Having said that there isn't quite so much need for GPS logging anymore due to the availability of BING aerial imagery for tracing things like urban footpaths. Out in the countryside though they may not be so obvious from above, in which case a logger is always valuable. There are a few people who are based in the east midlands including both the Leicester and Nottingham areas. You might try a post also to the talk-gb list and see if anyone comes back to you. You can also look for those who have edited data in your region and contact them via their OSM user page. And of course you would be very welcome to come along to our monthly West Mids meet in Birmingham. Cheers Andy (blackadder) -Original Message- From: Chris Dunne [mailto:o...@cdunne.org.uk] Sent: 21 January 2011 11:07 PM To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fwd: Recommendations for cheap GPS for data-logging Hi, Its my first time posting and I'm new to this list (I'm in the Leicester area). I have some contacts who walk a lot of footpaths and was wondering if it would be worthwhile to give them a cheap GPS data-logger to record some of these. I came across this unit from Hong Kong for $26.10 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.41139 If this was equipped with a battery pack it looks like it might do the job. Has anyone had any experience of this or similar units? Thanks Chris PS does any form of informal meet exist in the east midlands? Would anyone be interested in meeting in a pub in Leicester? ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3399 - Release Date: 01/23/11 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids
Ed Avis [mailto:e...@waniasset.com] wrote Sent: 21 January 2011 11:28 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids Chris Hill osm@... writes: The Open data that OS released last year included the Code Point Open dataset which has the location of postcode centroids. These can help with adding postcodes to addresses. Please do not just add the centroid to the map. I don't see the value of that. I think the big question is whether adding them would help Nominatim resolve postcode searches. It seems to have some postcode data already but I don't know where it gets that from? Nominatim works very nicely once you have the postcodes and house numbers in OSM. Just try my postcode B72 1JU in the OSM search box for an example. It doesn't currently do the house number and the postcode together in the same query though. Cheers Andy -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3391 - Release Date: 01/19/11 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids
Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk]wrote: Sent: 21 January 2011 11:41 AM To: 'talk-gb OSM List' Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: One thing that is absolutely clear to me is that you can't add postcodes unless you have been around and assigned the right houses to the right streets. On older traditional streets where this is clear from imagery it's not so difficult but in new housing estates it's impossible unless you have walked the patch first. After that it all drops into place really rather easily. In the final analysis, a building should have it's post code as part of the address. Ideally that would be picked up from the 'road' that the building is attached to. So the address would consist of a 'house name/number' on a tag for the building, and a link somehow to the road which provides the other data for the full address. Tagging ALL that information for every building is something which should be avoided. Why to be avoided? Just because there is one way of achieving the same thing doesn't mean one way should be avoided. The problem with the OS pointcode data is that it does NOT include the road name since that is the bit that Royal Mail still demand payment for. The PAF file of cause has ALL of the buildings along with their coordinates, but the licence prevents that being used, so we have to physically recreate it from the ground up. Moving forward, where postcodes are already available as part of postal information then no problem, but it would be useful if the missing postcodes were added even if they still require linking to the relevant road. There does seem to be a disagreement between authorities over how postcodes are defined, but the Royal Mail rule is that a single road has a single postcode for a 'walk' group, so longer roads will be broken down ( and if one side of a road is on a different 'walk' then it will have a different postcode ). Where a group of roads in a small enough area, then the 'road' will be the main route that they all link to, and the 'sub-road' is secondary information ... but THAT is an area where council LLPG officers may quote different postcodes to the one listed in PAF. Do we care about this? I say no. Just go out and put some house numbers on buildings and you will see how easy it is to add the majority of postcodes using the Copdepoint data. Job done, mostly end of story. We don't need anyone/anything else. One thing that has been established is that a google lookup of a postcode may give a number of properties on the related road and so provide the missing information to link the postcode to a physical road. Don't go there Cheers Andy -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3391 - Release Date: 01/19/11 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids
Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] wrote: Sent: 21 January 2011 12:51 PM To: 'talk-gb OSM List' Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk]wrote: Sent: 21 January 2011 11:41 AM To: 'talk-gb OSM List' Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: snip Don't go there Why not? Look up a postcode, and find a link to the business you are working with, then confirm that postcode and address are correct. It's amazing how many businesses are actually using the wrong post code! And I have to confirm which is right via Royal mail - but then I'm probably not allowed to actually use the results :( That was the point I was getting at. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Postcodes
A follow up on this. Chillly (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chillly) has rendered tiles with the postcodes on which you can use in JOSM and other editors. Currently he's loaded Birmingham for us but plans to do the other areas too. Follow the instructions here to use it: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata#Code-Point_Open Those of us who have been adding postcodes over the last week or so will drop some hints and tips onto that page soon. You can also see Chillly's blog at: http://chris-osm.blogspot.com/2011/01/using-gb-postcodes.html Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 January 2011 6:26 PM To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Postcodes If anyone needs a postcode extract for their area (from OS CodePoint) then let me have the bbox of the area you are interested in and I'll send you a gpx waypoint file containing all the postcode centroids in your area which you can load into JOSM to refer to when editing. Don't make the area too big as it will slow down JSOM too much. If the area you want is outside Birmingham then tell me the first part of the postcode so that I can extract the correct csv file from the CodePoint database. I'm currently adding all the postcodes to the buildings I've mapped in B72. It's not possible to work out from CodePoint where one postcode ends and another starts on longer streets but a bit of analysis elsewhere suggests the centroid is in the centre of the set so it should be possible to work out the boundary between them and at worst have a couple of properties which need further checking. Cheers Andy No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3385 - Release Date: 01/16/11 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] invisible
Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] wrote: Sent: 18 January 2011 11:09 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] invisible Chris Saunter wrote: 2) Browser based viewer using javascript - this could be a hybrid bitmap/vector renderer that annotates bitmap tiles FWIW Potlatch 2's renderer, Halcyon, is fully stylable (using MapCSS) and also exists as a stand-alone SWF applet that you can simply drop into any webpage. It will read from an OSM API using either XML or AMF, or alternatively from .osm files served from the same domain. Richard, have you got (or know of) an example of this which is up and running and accessible somewhere? Cheers Andy I believe CloudMade offer a vector tiles service but haven't looked into it. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/invisible- tp5933851p5935197.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3387 - Release Date: 01/17/11 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Gun Location Sensors
Jonathan Bennett wrote: Sent: 11 December 2010 5:00 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Gun Location Sensors On 11/12/2010 16:27, Brian Prangle wrote: Here's a challenge and probably more of an ethical one than a physical one. The installation of these by west Midlands Police in Birmingham has caused a stir in the news. Should we attempt to map them? Despite their being installed in 31 US cities there's not a single picture of what they look like anywhere that I can find on the web, so I've got no idea what they look like. I wouldn't be surpised if they're disguised to look like CCTV cameras anyway. And as I said, it's probably an ethical problem as the whether we should map them at all. You're assuming they actually exist at all. They certainly exist as they have been testing them last week and the areas they are covering are probably easy enough to work out as West Mids police say they have targeted those areas where gun use is most widespread, ie its not a blanket coverage of the region. I'm sure they will be embedded in along with other sensing equipment the police use so unlikely to be detectable and mappable per se. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Gun Location Sensors
Peter Millar wrote: Sent: 12 December 2010 5:40 PM To: Jonathan Bennett Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Gun Location Sensors I don't know if this is what Birmingham is using: http://gizmodo.com/5489449/tiny-sensor-listens-for-gunshots-identifying- the-gun-and-location If so, it doesn't look like verifying on the ground is going to be very practical. The area covered by the system would be more interesting if it were obtainable. The news items I saw were referring to triangulation methods so perhaps they have gone for some other system than these clever devices. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Gun Location Sensors
And ShotSpotter's website confirms Birmingham as an installation location: http://www.shotspotter.com/solutions/locations.html Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Martin Sent: 13 December 2010 2:36 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Gun Location Sensors I googled and found that the brand name is Secures. I also found this article with a picture. http://media.www.jhunewsletter.com/media/storage/paper932/news/2009/ 12/03/NewsFeatures/Gun-Detection.Sensors.Installed.Around.City- 3845405.shtml This article says they may be disguised as vents or bird houses. http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/fs000201.pdf On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Millar wrote: Sent: 12 December 2010 5:40 PM To: Jonathan Bennett Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Gun Location Sensors I don't know if this is what Birmingham is using: http://gizmodo.com/5489449/tiny-sensor-listens-for-gunshots-identifyi ng- the-gun-and-location If so, it doesn't look like verifying on the ground is going to be very practical. The area covered by the system would be more interesting if it were obtainable. The news items I saw were referring to triangulation methods so perhaps they have gone for some other system than these clever devices. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Jeffrey John Martin dogs...@gmail.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3312 - Release Date: 12/12/10 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [Spam] oslVosm, OpenData Locator 2010 data and not:name
I also wonder if there is a step before the OS that can help consider the discrepancies. The naming authority for the streets we have conflict is the local authority so checking what the naming authority has in its database may reveal whether the problem is with miss information or incorrect signing on the ground. Once the Birmingham folks have completed checks (getting closer now) then we plan to check with Birmingham City Council to further evaluate. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Peter Miller Sent: 04 October 2010 10:15 AM To: Tim Francois Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] [Spam] oslVosm,OpenData Locator 2010 data and not:name great news. Regarding the not:name tag at the OS, I think we need to be a bit patient. The OS is a large organisation and do take time to change. They are actually changing fast at present and have expressed enthusiasm for the not:name technique and I think it is just a matter of us using it for some time while it gets into their systems. We are going to do some more analysis on it at some point and will be working with the OS of the processes. It would be shame if we gave up using it before they got into listening! In the mean time it is a useful way of stopping people checking a conflict that someone else has already determined is a error on their part. Regards, Peter On 3 October 2010 17:47, Tim Francois sk1pp...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: All, 1. If there are any heroes left using oslVosm http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OslVosm [1] to compare OSM data with OS Locator data, I've just updated the script a little so that it now honours the not:name tags. Any highways which include a not:name tag are automatically assumed to be 100% correct in OSM, whatever OSL says, and are ignored in any further comparisons. This assumption may have to be reviewed at a later date... 2. Anyone else using/noticed that the Locator data has been stealthily 'updated'? I remember Robert writing something about it a while back, but can't remember the conversation. In Bristol, a load of roads seem to have disappeared, whilst some more have been added. All in all, there were about 10 more roads than in the '2009' release. Anyone else notice differences? 3. not:name. Are many people using it? Is it working? And are these being sent back to OS? The reason I added it to oslVosm is that it seems to be being used here in Bristol, so it is useful for 'accurate' numbers. For those that may not be aware, oslVosm is a script which compares OSM data against OS Locator data, and can output a gpx, kml or wiki file of any discrepancies. It also tries to do some spell checking if it finds similar names. It is primarily aimed at people with a programming tilt, as it only works from the command line (and probably only in Linux). For those who want an easy to use interface, use Robert's excellent Musical Chairs [2] web interface or ITOs slippy map layer in Potlatch or JOSM [3]. Cheers Tim [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OslVosm [2] http://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/oslmusicalchairs/map and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Using_OS_Locator_files#Browseable_OS_Loc ator_to_OSM_comparison_with_fuzzy_matching [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Using_OS_Locator_files#OSM_and_OSL_Diffe rences_as_Background_Tiles ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3175 - Release Date: 10/03/10 19:33:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] OSM Midlands Social 7th Oct
A reminder that our next midlands social is Thursday 7th October from 7:00pm at The City Tavern, Birmingham. Full details on the wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Etrex Legend HCx
Few pointers for you: 1. Make sure the tracklog is set for time and recording at 1sec interval 2. In Setup, select Map and then change the screen to the Map Setup - tracks page. Set the Track Points value to 10001. This will make sure you can see the full 3 hours ish of 1 sec points on the screen. Useful if you are out mapping for a long morning etc. Setting this value has no impact on what is recoded to the SD card. 3. From Setup, System, set WASS/EGNOS to on and make sure the correct type of battery is selected. 2500mAh or better rechargeable batteries are best. For maps, I'd suggest downloading the UK dataset (routable version) from http://talkytoaster.info/ukmaps.htm Once downloaded you need to unzip the .img file to the Garmin folder on the SD card. You also need to rename the file to just IMAPSUPP.IMG Hope this helps Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-westmidlands-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- westmidlands-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Iain Simpson Sent: 08 September 2010 4:43 PM To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Etrex Legend HCx After experience mapping with mike29's Etrex last week I've bitten the bullet and got a Legend HCx of my very own to replace the 'Yellow H', First impressions ! - Wot alot of options ! I've sussed a number of them and have downloaded a .gpx track from the sdcard. V impressed with the accuracy. I've now switched 'Lock on road' off. Are there any other options I should set for OSM ? The default map display is a bit confusing with the rallying cry 'North to M6'. But I'm about to look into downloading OSM mapping (using Mkgmap) Looks fun Iain ps : sent originally to wrong address - sorry ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3123 - Release Date: 09/08/10 18:41:00 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] FW: [carto-soc] Maps available (London WC2)
Might be worth a poke around if anyone is in the area? Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: e.gasco...@lse.ac.uk [mailto:e.gasco...@lse.ac.uk] Sent: 02 August 2010 3:57 PM To: carto-...@lists.shef.ac.uk Subject: [carto-soc] Maps available (London WC2) We are updating a map room in the Department of Geography and Environment at London School of Economics.Most of the maps are housed in 12 large map chests and we are now getting rid of them (the maps). Interested parties have already taken away the more valuable maps, but there are still a large number left which might be of interest to someone.One slight problem is that we were just about to send the maps for re-cycling - and had emptied quite a few of the drawers - when I was given this email address. Thus many of the maps are just piled up on tables and the inventory doesn't really reflect what's left.If anyone is interested I could send the inventory but many of the maps listed (even if they look available) have now gone. We cannot trace maps or post them - but if anyone is in the vicinity of the Aldwych and would like to have a quick look round the map room, please send me an email and I can arrange for you to have access. The last date for viewing the maps will be 18th August. Regards Elaine Gascoyne Elaine Gascoyne Departmental Manager Department of Geography Environment London School of Economics Political Science Houghton Street LONDON WC2A 2AE Tel: 0207 955 7587 Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/planningAndCorporatePolicy/legalandComplian ceTeam/legal/disclaimer.htm No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3044 - Release Date: 08/01/10 19:40:00 Distributed by CARTO-SoC, the Society of Cartographers Mailing List. For more details about this List and the Society, visit our web site: http://www.soc.org.uk Join the Society on-line now: http://www.soc.org.uk/member.html ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NCN numbering
Richard, There is a slight different take on this with Sustrans, at least some I talk to. What I've been told is that national routes will remain 2 digit numbers and that new national routes will also, in theory, have a 2 digit number, though that doesn't exactly give them much scope to expand it the network nationally! The three digit routes I'm working on are still classed in the Sustrans system as regional routes. As you quite rightly say, all regional routes and national routes now and in the future will have the white on red patch numbering with the blue patched phased out. I'll query this with a few more today as I have a lunchtime ride booked with some of the top brass. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Richard Fairhurst Sent: 30 June 2010 7:44 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] NCN numbering Apologies for thread breakage - the otherwise excellent Nabble has fallen over. All white-on-red numbered routes are National Routes and should be tagged with ncn_ref (or the relation equivalent). This includes all the new three- figure routes. White-on-blue are Regional Routes. These are being phased out and will all either be renumbered as National Routes (usually three figures, though I know of one existing and two proposed renumberings from Regional to two- digit National) or withdrawn from the NCN entirely. Don't expect it to happen overnight, though. It's a bit confusing right now but should resolve itself into something more understandable in time. Usual proviso: local councils have been known to get the colours wrong on occasion! cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2974 - Release Date: 06/30/10 19:38:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NCN numbering
I think most of us are working with what's on the ground though there are sections of NCN that we ride that are poorly signed though the route is in use on the ground if you know where to go. Generally speaking you should find the routes in OSM pretty reliable, if at times disjointed. Bear in mind also that the OS prints routes on its maps that the LA and Sustrans provide them with. In the Sustrans mapping some are wrongly routed because they were created off the 1:50,000 mapping. Sustrans has moved all its GIS over to 1:10,000 mapping now and they are in the process of cleaning up routes, crossings and access point data. I'm doing that currently for them for instance in Birmingham. One way to fix problems with OSM data for cycling is to submit a routing bug via cyclestreets.net Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Henry Gomersall Sent: 01 July 2010 9:59 AM To: Richard Fairhurst Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] NCN numbering On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 01:49 -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I think, ultimately, Sustrans' internal semantics shouldn't really concern us documenting the system from outside (even those of us who also happen to be rangers ;) ). Are the cycle routes representative of what is on the ground, i.e. What the little signs say, or are they representative of some document somewhere? As a cyclist, I'm keen to say I'd find the a representation of what is on the ground more useful. One of my pet annoyances with maps is when they don't agree with data on the ground. Imagine trying to find an obscure cycle route, labelled as RCN on the map with a sign that says NCN. Its an extra layer of confusion that I've often encountered with crap (usually foreign) maps. Cheers, Henry ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2974 - Release Date: 06/30/10 19:38:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Reminder - Midlands social this Thursday 1st July
A reminder that this months Midlands social is in Bedworth (just to the north of Coventry) this Thursday 1st July. Details at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Events During the summer months we do a spot of mapping till around 8:00pm and then meet in the pub. Sign up for a cake section if you want to map or give me a call on the evening to check where everyone is. Cheers Andy 0777 553 7872 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
Richard Weait wrote: Sent: 16 June 2010 8:42 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Frank Sautter openstreet...@sautter.com wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin Nice catch. That's super. Is the license attribution they are using OK? It looks good to me. Different from what we recommend for what is predominantly a map, but their page is not predominantly a map. ccbysa allows appropriate attribution with similar prominence: Such credit may be implemented in any reasonable manner; provided, however, that in the case of a Derivative Work or Collective Work, at a minimum such credit will appear where any other comparable authorship credit appears and in a manner at least as prominent as such other comparable authorship credit. I'm thrilled to see OSM on Wolfram Alpha. +1, though it would even cooler if they had a link to us from the Related Links box. Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2943 - Release Date: 06/17/10 07:35:00 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
Frederik Ramm wrote: Sent: 16 June 2010 6:22 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data Hi, Frank Sautter wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin Interesting, they seem to have their own rendering as well. A little yesterday perhaps with no slippy map and zooming via a dropdown but surely a good start. Should like to find out how current they are (they say based on current OpenStreetMap data). Not that current. Areas I know mapped in early January are on but those in March are not. Cheers Andy Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2943 - Release Date: 06/17/10 07:35:00 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mappa-Mercia social - July 1st - Bedworth
Peter, I'm still up for mapping somewhere in the Midlands this Saturday. Don't mind where really but a more rural mapping experience would make a nice change from Walsall! Are there some villages we could knock off? Anyone else up for Saturday? Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Peter Millar [mailto:peter.mil...@yahoo.com] Sent: 07 June 2010 3:12 PM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mappa-Mercia social - July 1st - Bedworth The pub and train details for Thursday 1st July are now on the wiki. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up Does anyone want to meet-up and do some mapping next Saturday (12th June) somewhere around the Midlands? -- Peter Millar - Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: The next Mappa-Mercia social evening will be on Thursday July 1st in Bedworth to the north of Coventry. Mapping till 8pm and then in a local pub (venue to be confirmed. The Bedworth cake and signup table is on the wiki page [1] Hopefully we might see some of the other Coventry folks there? Peter (sherbourne) is a regular traveller to the Brum meet-ups. Cheers Andy [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2922 - Release Date: 06/06/10 19:35:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mappa-Mercia social - July 1st - Bedworth
Excellent. Atherstone works for me. I'll do a cake later this evening. Andy -Original Message- From: Mary Mooney [mailto:mooney@gmail.com] Sent: 10 June 2010 12:40 PM To: Peter Millar Cc: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists); talk-gb- westmidla...@openstreetmap.org; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mappa-Mercia social - July 1st - Bedworth The Red Lion Hotel, which is a pub, newly refurbished and has free wifi in the Sports Bar area. Mary On 10 June 2010 12:32, Mary Mooney mooney@gmail.com wrote: I am up for Atherstone. I have done a couple of spots but it could be done properly with a few of us. They also have a lot of pubs - not sure about wifi though. Do you want me to find out? Mary On 10 June 2010 12:07, Peter Millar peter.mil...@yahoo.com wrote: Andy, How about Atherstone? There are at least 4 villages within three miles of the town. Trains from Birmingham via Tamworth or Nuneaton, about two an hour. We could meet at the cafe in the Co-op Superstore in Station Street, by the railway station. An alternative would be Rugeley to the NW of Cannock Chase. It also has a few villages not too far away. I hope a few of us can meet up. -- Peter Millar - Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: Peter, I'm still up for mapping somewhere in the Midlands this Saturday. Don't mind where really but a more rural mapping experience would make a nice change from Walsall! Are there some villages we could knock off? Anyone else up for Saturday? Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Peter Millar [mailto:peter.mil...@yahoo.com] Sent: 07 June 2010 3:12 PM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mappa-Mercia social - July 1st - Bedworth The pub and train details for Thursday 1st July are now on the wiki. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up Does anyone want to meet-up and do some mapping next Saturday (12th June) somewhere around the Midlands? -- Peter Millar - Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: The next Mappa-Mercia social evening will be on Thursday July 1st in Bedworth to the north of Coventry. Mapping till 8pm and then in a local pub (venue to be confirmed. The Bedworth cake and signup table is on the wiki page [1] Hopefully we might see some of the other Coventry folks there? Peter (sherbourne) is a regular traveller to the Brum meet-ups. Cheers Andy [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb- westmidlands No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2922 - Release Date: 06/06/10 19:35:00 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2928 - Release Date: 06/09/10 19:35:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mappa-Mercia social - July 1st - Bedworth
Cake done and up. I also added a note to discussion page for the UK Chapter page to suggest we move that meet up and meeting to September 18th. Hopefully a few more folks will put it in the diary if that date works for everyone. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) [mailto:ajrli...@googlemail.com] Sent: 10 June 2010 5:48 PM To: 'Mary Mooney'; 'Peter Millar' Cc: talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: RE: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mappa-Mercia social - July 1st - Bedworth Excellent. Atherstone works for me. I'll do a cake later this evening. Andy -Original Message- From: Mary Mooney [mailto:mooney@gmail.com] Sent: 10 June 2010 12:40 PM To: Peter Millar Cc: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists); talk-gb- westmidla...@openstreetmap.org; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mappa-Mercia social - July 1st - Bedworth The Red Lion Hotel, which is a pub, newly refurbished and has free wifi in the Sports Bar area. Mary On 10 June 2010 12:32, Mary Mooney mooney@gmail.com wrote: I am up for Atherstone. I have done a couple of spots but it could be done properly with a few of us. They also have a lot of pubs - not sure about wifi though. Do you want me to find out? Mary On 10 June 2010 12:07, Peter Millar peter.mil...@yahoo.com wrote: Andy, How about Atherstone? There are at least 4 villages within three miles of the town. Trains from Birmingham via Tamworth or Nuneaton, about two an hour. We could meet at the cafe in the Co-op Superstore in Station Street, by the railway station. An alternative would be Rugeley to the NW of Cannock Chase. It also has a few villages not too far away. I hope a few of us can meet up. -- Peter Millar - Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: Peter, I'm still up for mapping somewhere in the Midlands this Saturday. Don't mind where really but a more rural mapping experience would make a nice change from Walsall! Are there some villages we could knock off? Anyone else up for Saturday? Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Peter Millar [mailto:peter.mil...@yahoo.com] Sent: 07 June 2010 3:12 PM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mappa-Mercia social - July 1st - Bedworth The pub and train details for Thursday 1st July are now on the wiki. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up Does anyone want to meet-up and do some mapping next Saturday (12th June) somewhere around the Midlands? -- Peter Millar - Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: The next Mappa-Mercia social evening will be on Thursday July 1st in Bedworth to the north of Coventry. Mapping till 8pm and then in a local pub (venue to be confirmed. The Bedworth cake and signup table is on the wiki page [1] Hopefully we might see some of the other Coventry folks there? Peter (sherbourne) is a regular traveller to the Brum meet-ups. Cheers Andy [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb- westmidlands No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2922 - Release Date: 06/06/10 19:35:00 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mappa-Mercia social - July 1st - Bedworth
The next Mappa-Mercia social evening will be on Thursday July 1st in Bedworth to the north of Coventry. Mapping till 8pm and then in a local pub (venue to be confirmed. The Bedworth cake and signup table is on the wiki page [1] Hopefully we might see some of the other Coventry folks there? Peter (sherbourne) is a regular traveller to the Brum meet-ups. Cheers Andy [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] Mappa-Mercia social - July 1st - Bedworth
The next Mappa-Mercia social evening will be on Thursday July 1st in Bedworth to the north of Coventry. Mapping till 8pm and then in a local pub (venue to be confirmed. The Bedworth cake and signup table is on the wiki page [1] Hopefully we might see some of the other Coventry folks there? Peter (sherbourne) is a regular traveller to the Brum meet-ups. Cheers Andy [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Talk-GB Digest, Vol 44, Issue 19
Mike, A very comprehensive reply, thanks for that. It would be worth having what you have written on a relevant wiki page as its probably the best write-up of the arrangements as we know them. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Mike Harris Sent: 13 May 2010 9:06 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Talk-GB Digest, Vol 44, Issue 19 Hi My understanding of PRoW law is that: 1. The definitive statement (which is prepared by an actual survey on the ground - not from a map - although it might subsequently be plotted onto a map) takes precedence over the definitive map where there are differences between the two. Thus the statement should not involve the OS. 2. The definitive map - properly defined - is the copy kept by the Highway Authority (HA). There may be 'definitive map copies' issued in hard copy to involved parties (like the charity for which I work) or in electronic form (some HAs issue full 'interactive' versions of the definitive map on the web). These have no legal standing - although very useful - and may not be as up-to-date as THE definitive map. 3. Even the definitive map may be a bit out of date as HAs often have a backlog in creating the Definitive Map Modification Orders (DMMOs) that enshrine a change in the PRoW network (diversion, creation, extinguishment, dedication) - this backlog may be more than a year in some areas and will worsen as funds disappear under present financial constraints. 4. OS mapping at 1:25k of PRoWs relies (especially outside of urban areas and ways on the 'List of Streets') on the OS being notified of any changes. This is often done (but rather haphazardly) by the HA - but can equally be done by a member of the public. They do not keep PRoWs up-to-date pro- actively. Even when notified, the OS may take years to do an update. In theory the update should be on the next copy of the relevant 1:25k map (and does tend to appear earlier on digital than on paper versions) but it can - and often does - take several years. Complex and major changes in my area have taken over 10 years of constant nagging to get the OS to update! 5. Anomalies on the ground with OS mapping are common. I log about 100 per annum in my area. There may also be anomalies on the ground compared with the definitive map. These two sets of anomalies may themselves differ. Anomalies include: - minor unofficial diversions made by the landowner (or sometimes the general public!) for convenience. This does not change the line of the PRoW. - major unofficial diversions made by a landowner for his/her convenience (sometimes with the legal route being blocked). This does not change the line of the PRoW. - official diversions not yet recorded by the OS (see above). This does not change the line of the PRoW. - genuine legal anomalies such as a path ending at a parish boundary (often because the magistrate charged with making the definitive map record was also the local landowner and 'forgot' to record the path on the original definitive map). - 'lost ways' that got missed off the original definitive map (and under current legislation will be lost for ever if not added by 2025). It's complicated and I'm not advising anyone what to do or not do (apart from forcing the OS to come clean and disavow any copyright interest in PRoW data - as others have said, the HAs are usually more than happy to release PRoW data as part of their public duty but unfortunately the OS have lost all sense of public duty - as opposed to commercial self-interest - unless pressured). mikh43 On 12/05/2010 12:00, talk-gb-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Send Talk-GB mailing list submissions to talk-gb@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-gb-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-gb-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Talk-GB digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Definitive Paths Map Source (Robert Whittaker (OSM Talk GB)) 2. Re: National Byway cycle route (Dave F.) 3. Re: National Byway cycle route (Sam Vekemans) 4. Re: Definitive Paths Map Source (Andy Robinson (blackadder- lists)) 5. Re: Definitive Paths Map Source (Andy Robinson (blackadder- lists)) 6. Re: Definitive Paths Map Source (James Davis) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Mike Harris No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus
Re: [Talk-GB] Definitive Ways - tagging? (was Re: Talk-GB Digest, Vol 44, Issue 19)
Richard Mann [mailto:richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com] wrote: Sent: 13 May 2010 2:00 PM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: Ian Spencer; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Definitive Ways - tagging? (was Re: Talk-GB Digest, Vol 44, Issue 19) If you've got reasonable non-copyright evidence that there's a PROW across the field, use designation=public_footpath. If there's a path that people seem to use, use the highway=path tag (or some other highway tag if you prefer), and maybe a surface tag. You can have a OSM way with just a designation tag; it doesn't have to have a highway tag. And how would I verify that way on the ground then? The same argument applies generally to other non physical objects in the database. Public Transport zone and boundary data both being good examples of virtual data that we currently collect. We might in the long run think about differentiating those objects which are non physical. Cheers Andy Mapnik won't render it, but someone else might want the info; may as well record it while you're there. Richard No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2870 - Release Date: 05/12/10 19:26:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Definitive Paths Map Source
Couple of comments on this in addition to the responses by others. 1. The definitive information is not always on a map. For instance, local footpath rights of way can be found in text form in many libraries. Its pretty easy to then correlate the description information with a walk of a particular path. Don't be surprised to find there are mismatches. 2. Although local authorities are responsible for maintaining public footpaths not all treat them in the same way. I know for a fact that the OS does not survey footpath changes outside of urban areas, so again the definitive information will be with the LA, and it might be in text form or it might be on an OS map (or both). My best advice is to pop into your local library first and see what they have. Their docs may be a bit out of date but is a good and easy place to start and you can always go back to the LA with any queries. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Ian Spencer Sent: 11 May 2010 10:55 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Definitive Paths Map Source (Newbie alert!!) I suspect this has been discussed before, but it seems to me that there is a big hole in open source mapping, and that is getting hold of definitive maps in electronic form to be able to document them. I presume that the definitive map is a public document that should be freely available. (???!!!) What I am interested in is the gaps between the footpaths people recognise and those which are registered on the definitive lists as there is a deadline in around 10 years for getting missing paths registered. I know local authorities are responsible for the definitive maps in their areas. Is it practical to contact the LAs and get definitive maps in electronic form, or is there a central source (knowing that OS have not released this). If there is a problem, is there an opportunity to work with the Ramblers Assoc to get definitive way mapping released? I've read the tagging controversy and it seems there is a lack of finality on tagging - is there anyone trying to resolve this? In the end, only the OS maps seem to have legal status, but they aren't releasing footpaths :( Anyway, just off for some Coast to Coast cycling... Cheers! Spenny No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2868 - Release Date: 05/11/10 19:40:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Definitive Paths Map Source
Robert Whittaker (OSM Talk GB) Sent: 11 May 2010 11:43 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Definitive Paths Map Source On 11 May 2010 21:30, martyn i...@dynoyo.plus.com wrote: In Hertfordshire, East Herts publish maps that are drawn on top of an OS layer. But for each parish, they also publish a text description of each numbered right of way, last updated in 2006. Useful as not all real-world physical signs have the number. So using that with the NPE layer in Potlatch it should be possible to check and reconstruct the present ROWs. Anyone see any problems with this method? If the textural descriptions (known as the Definitive Statement) have been written in part by someone looking at the maps (rather than just looking at the ground) then there is argument that they too are a derivative work of the OS maps, and hence contain IP rights belonging to OS. Having read quite a few of these I've yet to see any real evidence that the statement has been prepared from a map. Each time I've looked that them to me the read the other way around, that someone has translated the statement onto the map. The reason I say this is because sometimes the maps miss some of the subtle detail described in the statement. Bearing in mind that the statements form part of the legal paper chase between the LA and the landowner and lawyers always tend to work with words, I'm confident that statements dont include OS data. I also consider statements fair game, and have added all the footpath referencing for my local area by reference to them, though for the route on the ground I only trust the GPS and the physical way marked or trodden route. I don't know exactly what copyright protects, so wouldn't like to comment on whether or not the argument is valid. But without expert legal advice, I don't think it's a risk OSM should take. On the bright side though, I thought part of the result of the OS consultation was that they would look to clarify the rules on derived data. In particular, this may help with respect to PRoW data. Another avenue in the mean time would be to get copies of the definitive map and statement as they were 50 years ago (for which crown copyright will have expired), and also a list of paths that have been modified since (modification orders are hard to get, so there may not be that many). We can then get definitive information on most of the current public rights of way. My local library has the definitive statements in the one book, with subsequent versions over the ages added into the binding. So as you say its easy to compare what the statement says 50+ years ago and the changes that have occurred periodically with time. Updates in my area seem to be about every 20 years or so. Cheers Andy -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2868 - Release Date: 05/11/10 19:40:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] GB Chapter
Mary Mooney wrote: Sent: 09 May 2010 8:42 AM To: Gregory Cc: Mike Harris; Talk GB; talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org; talk-gb- theno...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] GB Chapter I do not know why, but this email (12 days old) has only just popped up in my Inbox. Perhaps it was stuck in the ether and that is why there are only a few responses to the Doodle. I cleared some mail that was pending administrator check. Mostly they are spam but occasionally there is an OSM related one from someone who is not subscribed to the list, I usually let those though, even if they are a little old. Cheers Andy Mary On 27 April 2010 14:39, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: Oops, but I'm totally accepting whatever comical/deliberate credit I get for the typo. Don't be silly, you probably already have mapped the flooded areas and 'ferry' routes the emergency services will take, along with what flooded areas are like the Red Sea because of a high concentration of salt/grit bins. Only 6 replies to the doodle poll, but June 12th is looking like it might be a winner. Greg. On 27 April 2010 04:26, Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com wrote: WetMidlands? Has has there been a weather event that I haven't heard about? Or is this just a political description? Should we be doing some emergency mapping of the flooded areas? O:-) Or perhaps it is simply that a meet of this kind could not be dry mikh43 On 19:59, Gregory wrote: For finding out when is a good date: http://doodle.com/gbm9zezspi9tz6m4 Add your name, tick the dates that are good for you. I see this is on the talk-gb-wetmidlands list, so I'm also sending to talk-gb-thenorth for anyone who just reads that. We're planning a get together on a Saturday (for some mapping and) to discuss the formation of a GB chapter. Somewhere between Birmingham and London. On 26 April 2010 11:09, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: Nick Black [mailto:nickbla...@gmail.com] wrote: Sent: 26 April 2010 6:45 PM To: Emilie Laffray Cc: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists); talk-gb OSM List (E-mail); talk-gb- westmidla...@openstreetmap.org; Richard Fairhurst Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] GB Chapter I would be super keen on Charlbury. Richard's beer pitch sold perfectly :- ) It'll need to be somewhere needing mapping to get me interested though and Charlbury should be a done deal by now ;-) Cheers Andy -- Nick On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 April 2010 15:18, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: Replying to myself here. Northampton would be another location option. Its on the London Midland line which has some cheap fares. It's also a very very unloved town. For those living near Croydon and not afraid of me driving, this could be a possibility at some point. Emilie Laffray ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b No virus found in this incoming message
Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] M6 Toll Vandalism
Brian, See if you get an email back from the user and then copy this and any response to d...@osmfoundation.org with a request to revert. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-westmidlands-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- westmidlands-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Brian Prangle Sent: 08 May 2010 2:57 PM To: talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org; Talk GB Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] M6 Toll Vandalism The M6 has acquired a new nonsense M6 Toll added (from near the M1 junction to nowhere near Meriden) by a new user Alan 1988, whose fisrt edits these are #4625552 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4625552 May 06, 2010 21:58 (none) -1.657,52.455,-1.575,52.465 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=-1.6567783minlat=52.4553012maxlon=- 1.5752391maxlat=52.4651332box=yes #4625033 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4625033 May 06, 2010 21:01 (none) -1.585,52.461,-1.430,52.474 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=-1.5851655minlat=52.4612451maxlon=- 1.4295472maxlat=52.473711box=yes #4617603 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4617603 May 05, 2010 23:41 (none) -1.494,52.350,-1.152,52.471 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=-1.493811minlat=52.3503328maxlon=- 1.151787maxlat=52.4710771box=yes (big) #4617448 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4617448 May 05, 2010 22:03 (none) -1.339,52.324,-1.128,52.429 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=-1.3390199minlat=52.3243315maxlon=- 1.1280363maxlat=52.4288591box=yes (big) All the changesets need reverting by whoever has control of these things. I'm contacting the user also just to let him know the (inadvertent?) damage he's caused Regards Brian No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2862 - Release Date: 05/08/10 19:26:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway cycle route
Richard Fairhurst wrote: Sent: 08 May 2010 12:20 PM To: OSM - Talk GB Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway cycle route On 08/05/2010 12:08, Sam Vekemans wrote: +101 for rendering it brown, so its different than NCN, RCN, LCN I can use it promote it for the 'Trans Canada Trail' as a 'exact definition' as a leasure route with 'cycling being 1 activity, but not designated for that 1 activity' mountain biking / road cycling / hiking / ATV /canoeing /motercycle /dogsled differences are 'purposly blured' -the actual activities are signposted. And the ways would very, depending on the ground truths. Thinking a bit further: At present we have three types of rendered cycle route: NCN, RCN and LCN. Really, the National Byway is a fourth category: a leisure/touring route. There are lots of these in OSM at the moment, but generally tagged as LCN (for example, the Four Castles Cycle Route in Monmouthshire, or a number around Cheshire). This is pretty unsatisfactory, as Local Cycle Networks are generally utility commuter routes. It's akin to the H holiday routes found around the country for car tourers. Perhaps we could adopt the same idea. Cheers Andy So my suggestion would be that we choose a new relation tag for this type of route. It's not a 'network' as such, so that doesn't work. But you could perhaps do 'route=leisure' and 'bicycle=designated' or something, for those who like 'designated'. Then renderers like OCM can treat this as they wish. cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2862 - Release Date: 05/08/10 19:26:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Midlands social and micro mapping in Lichfield this Thursday 6th May
A reminder that the monthly midlands social this Thursday in Lichfield: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Social_Meet_Up For those that wish we will be doing a spot of mapping before the social to wrap up the City. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] GB Chapter
Replying to myself here. Northampton would be another location option. Its on the London Midland line which has some cheap fares. It's also a very very unloved town. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) [mailto:ajrli...@googlemail.com] Sent: 26 April 2010 3:12 PM To: 'Richard Fairhurst'; 'talk-gb OSM List (E-mail)' Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] GB Chapter Banbury gets my vote. How would Saturday 12 June fit with folks? May is pretty stacked out for me already. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Richard Fairhurst Sent: 26 April 2010 10:49 AM To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] GB Chapter Andy Robinson wrote: Might be cool to set up a Saturday mapping party and social combined somewhere easy to reach and needing some mapping between London and Birmingham. We could thrash out the bones of a UK chapter and see who's interested in working on it over a beer or two. Anyone want to look and suggest a location or two? Banbury. Easy direct trains from London and Birmingham. And really needs some mapping love. Could also attract our German friends because a) Chiltern Railways are owned by Deutsche Bahn, b) Banbury sounds a bit like Banpotlatch. cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2835 - Release Date: 04/25/10 19:31:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2835 - Release Date: 04/25/10 19:31:00 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Bus Routes
Brian, click click http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bus_Routes_in_West_Midlands/Route_Refs Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-westmidlands-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- westmidlands-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Brian Prangle Sent: 26 April 2010 6:44 PM To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Bus Routes I'm sure I remember contributing to a page on the mappa-mercia wiki which listed the bus routes that had been entered as relations. I can't seem to find it - all I can find is a wikipedia entry which lists ALL the bus routes in the West Midlands. Can anyone help my memory? Regards Brian No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2835 - Release Date: 04/25/10 19:31:00 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] GB Chapter
Nick Black [mailto:nickbla...@gmail.com] wrote: Sent: 26 April 2010 6:45 PM To: Emilie Laffray Cc: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists); talk-gb OSM List (E-mail); talk-gb- westmidla...@openstreetmap.org; Richard Fairhurst Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] GB Chapter I would be super keen on Charlbury. Richard's beer pitch sold perfectly :- ) It'll need to be somewhere needing mapping to get me interested though and Charlbury should be a done deal by now ;-) Cheers Andy -- Nick On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 April 2010 15:18, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: Replying to myself here. Northampton would be another location option. Its on the London Midland line which has some cheap fares. It's also a very very unloved town. For those living near Croydon and not afraid of me driving, this could be a possibility at some point. Emilie Laffray ___ Talk-GB mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2835 - Release Date: 04/25/10 19:31:00 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] GB Chapter
Might be cool to set up a Saturday mapping party and social combined somewhere easy to reach and needing some mapping between London and Birmingham. We could thrash out the bones of a UK chapter and see who's interested in working on it over a beer or two. Anyone want to look and suggest a location or two? Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Osborne Sent: 25 April 2010 12:53 PM To: Brian Prangle Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] GB Chapter ok, taking some time off work this week for RR. Will get on this week after. Suspect the usual suspects will get involved pretty quickly. On 24 April 2010 14:20, Brian Prangle bpran...@googlemail.com wrote: We discussed this at our West Mids social meeting and thought it was a good idea - possibly the West Mids and London groups forming the nucleus to get this off the ground Rgds Brian On 24 April 2010 13:59, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: don't think so On Apr 24, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Christopher Osborne wrote: Did we get anywhere with starting a GB Chapter? -- Christopher Osborne www.itoworld.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Christopher Osborne www.itoworld.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2835 - Release Date: 04/25/10 19:31:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB Chapter
Banbury gets my vote. How would Saturday 12 June fit with folks? May is pretty stacked out for me already. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Richard Fairhurst Sent: 26 April 2010 10:49 AM To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] GB Chapter Andy Robinson wrote: Might be cool to set up a Saturday mapping party and social combined somewhere easy to reach and needing some mapping between London and Birmingham. We could thrash out the bones of a UK chapter and see who's interested in working on it over a beer or two. Anyone want to look and suggest a location or two? Banbury. Easy direct trains from London and Birmingham. And really needs some mapping love. Could also attract our German friends because a) Chiltern Railways are owned by Deutsche Bahn, b) Banbury sounds a bit like Banpotlatch. cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2835 - Release Date: 04/25/10 19:31:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB Chapter
Replying to myself here. Northampton would be another location option. Its on the London Midland line which has some cheap fares. It's also a very very unloved town. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) [mailto:ajrli...@googlemail.com] Sent: 26 April 2010 3:12 PM To: 'Richard Fairhurst'; 'talk-gb OSM List (E-mail)' Cc: talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] GB Chapter Banbury gets my vote. How would Saturday 12 June fit with folks? May is pretty stacked out for me already. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Richard Fairhurst Sent: 26 April 2010 10:49 AM To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] GB Chapter Andy Robinson wrote: Might be cool to set up a Saturday mapping party and social combined somewhere easy to reach and needing some mapping between London and Birmingham. We could thrash out the bones of a UK chapter and see who's interested in working on it over a beer or two. Anyone want to look and suggest a location or two? Banbury. Easy direct trains from London and Birmingham. And really needs some mapping love. Could also attract our German friends because a) Chiltern Railways are owned by Deutsche Bahn, b) Banbury sounds a bit like Banpotlatch. cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2835 - Release Date: 04/25/10 19:31:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2835 - Release Date: 04/25/10 19:31:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] GB Chapter
Nick Black [mailto:nickbla...@gmail.com] wrote: Sent: 26 April 2010 6:45 PM To: Emilie Laffray Cc: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists); talk-gb OSM List (E-mail); talk-gb- westmidla...@openstreetmap.org; Richard Fairhurst Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] GB Chapter I would be super keen on Charlbury. Richard's beer pitch sold perfectly :- ) It'll need to be somewhere needing mapping to get me interested though and Charlbury should be a done deal by now ;-) Cheers Andy -- Nick On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 April 2010 15:18, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: Replying to myself here. Northampton would be another location option. Its on the London Midland line which has some cheap fares. It's also a very very unloved town. For those living near Croydon and not afraid of me driving, this could be a possibility at some point. Emilie Laffray ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2835 - Release Date: 04/25/10 19:31:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Workington Bridges
Gregory wrote: Sent: 21 April 2010 11:38 AM To: Tim François Cc: OSM Talk-GB Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Workington Bridges The bridges look good, but the town is clearly lacking. Now we have OS Street View, we could quickly respond to natural disasters by improving the mappedness of the area. Of course the argument still remains that it can mean the area never gets well mapped. But think, if people see their local bridges in a news story about the fastest responding map, and then just out of town their street is missing or they go for walks in the Cumbria countryside, they could be encouraged to get adding to the amazing OSM. Even better would be if 1-2 months later a mapping party, or just a talk/workshop was held locally, but I don't know that anyone is around or able to travel there to do so. We had a discussion about this point during the Kidderminster mapping party on Saturday. Our decision (relating to the Black Country in our case) was that we would use OS OpenData StreetView, especially in partly mapped areas, but we would record some info on the wiki for each area covered so that we know which locations (slices of the cake) need still to have a ground survey. It also permits a local mapper to bag a spot for ground surveying if they would prefer to work with a blank canvas. I'd encourage mappers who are tempted to map off-piste to document what they are doing on an appropriate wiki page for the area in question. That at least informs others that come along later. As for Workington, I'm up in the area in a couple of weeks and if I have time I'll drop by and do a check of the bridges if someone hasn't got there before me. Cheers Andy On 21 April 2010 02:39, Tim François sk1pp...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I think that was the one they 'officially opened' on the One Show yesterday (BBC 1, on the iPlayer now) with a load of RiverDance girls - I kid you not Tim --- On Wed, 21/4/10, Russ Phillips r...@phillipsuk.org wrote: From: Russ Phillips r...@phillipsuk.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Workington Bridges To: OSM Talk-GB Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Date: Wednesday, 21 April, 2010, 10:34 After the November floods, the map of Workington [1] in Cumbria was updated very quickly to show the state of the bridges, and the location of the temporary road bridge that was to be built. I've just read on the BBC news site [2] that the temporary bridge is to open today, at 10:30. Can a local please update the map? I'm wary of changing it remotely. I'm giving a presentation/demonstration on OSM to my local LUG soon, and I'd really like to use this as an example of how OSM can be better than commercial maps, especially since TomTom's VP of ecommerce told PC Pro There are services like OpenStreetMap, and it's good, but sometimes there's not a bridge when it told you there would be. [3], and their map of Workington still routes people over the damaged bridges :) Russ [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.64893lon=-3.54955zoom=16 [2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/8627276.stm [3] http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/356008/tomtom-shrugs-off-free-apps- threat-with-new-iphone-app ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://mc/compose?to=Talk- g...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2824 - Release Date: 04/20/10 21:14:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] WM Hack Day
Awesome. Can this be broadcast to talk-gb yet? Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-westmidlands-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- westmidlands-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Mackenzie Sent: 19 April 2010 12:35 PM To: Christoph Böhme Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] WM Hack Day Hi all I've just confirmed with people at Aquila. The date is Saturday 22nd May at Aquila TV 94 Broad Street Birmingham B15 1AU Title: Mapitude Purpose: to introduce web developers to the potential of Open Street Map. How to use OSM and how to add to OSM. Facilities: wifi, 6 rooms over 2 floors. Large room with big screen for presentations and table which seats 8 people with laptops, upstairs quiet area with 4 smaller rooms for groups of 2 or 3 working together Numbers: 15-20 people I'll sort out an Eventbrite booking page and an outline of the programme we envisage. Andrew On 19 Apr 2010, at 11:56, Christoph Böhme wrote: Hi Ciarán, May 22 is the preliminary date, if I remember correctly. Christoph Ciarán Mooney general.moo...@googlemail.com schrieb: Hi, There was talk on Saturday about a OSM hack day in Birmingham. Was there any preliminary dates for the event? I'm going to miss the London event, and have an idea I'd like to try out (making an OSM based A-Z). Ciarán ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2819 - Release Date: 04/18/10 19:31:00 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] WM Hack Day
I'd suggest you post to the osm dev list and see who's available that day. As Andrew says, limited numbers means it really needs to be carefully targeted to those who have something to give and those who have something to gain. Some hack days that have been done on the platform (API mostly) have been invite only and that ensures that something gets done. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Christoph Böhme [mailto:christ...@b3e.net] Sent: 19 April 2010 4:11 PM To: Andrew Mackenzie Cc: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists); talk-gb- westmidla...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] WM Hack Day Hi, here is the proposed outline of topics. It is a bit ambitious and we probably cannot include all of it in one day. It really depends on finding people with knowledge in the different areas. 1. A short introduction to free Maps and OpenStreetMap in particular - using datasets (data.gov.uk) - Ordnance Survey mapping (trace, import). - expand on use scenarios like footpaths and cycleroutes - customisation potential of OSM - perhaps including the license topic (see point 7) here? 2. The Basics: Adding a map to your website - How to use OpenLayers to embed a simple slippy map on a website. - Using different maps (Mapnik, Cyclemap, etc) - Adding basic map controls (scale, pan/zoom, permalink, etc) - Mention: Plugins for Wordpress, etc 3. Advanced maps - Using Nominatim to find locations or to do reverse geo-coding - Display information on top of the map (markers, lines, photos, ...) 4. Creating custom map styles - Cloudmade's style editor - Create map styles with mapnik - Overlaying transparent map layers 5. Beyond maps: Accessing the data - Using XAPI and SSS for overlays - Routing 6. Mobile Maps 7. The License A short explanation of what the current license mean for developers and what will change with the ODBL. These topic do not really fit with the web developers scheme of the day but might neveretheless be interesting for some: - Creating maps for GPS devices - Printing large scale maps Session four and five could perhaps be done in parallel. Best, Christoph Andrew Mackenzie a.macken...@bethere.co.uk schrieb: We have an outline of topics for the day (follows). Shall we allow 48hrs for discussion here before posting to talk-gb? Numbers are limited for this venue. If there is a lot of interest I think we will need a bigger venue or more that one event. Andrew On 19 Apr 2010, at 13:27, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Awesome. Can this be broadcast to talk-gb yet? Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-westmidlands-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- westmidlands-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Mackenzie Sent: 19 April 2010 12:35 PM To: Christoph Böhme Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] WM Hack Day Hi all I've just confirmed with people at Aquila. The date is Saturday 22nd May at Aquila TV 94 Broad Street Birmingham B15 1AU Title: Mapitude Purpose: to introduce web developers to the potential of Open Street Map. How to use OSM and how to add to OSM. Facilities: wifi, 6 rooms over 2 floors. Large room with big screen for presentations and table which seats 8 people with laptops, upstairs quiet area with 4 smaller rooms for groups of 2 or 3 working together Numbers: 15-20 people I'll sort out an Eventbrite booking page and an outline of the programme we envisage. Andrew On 19 Apr 2010, at 11:56, Christoph Böhme wrote: Hi Ciarán, May 22 is the preliminary date, if I remember correctly. Christoph Ciarán Mooney general.moo...@googlemail.com schrieb: Hi, There was talk on Saturday about a OSM hack day in Birmingham. Was there any preliminary dates for the event? I'm going to miss the London event, and have an idea I'd like to try out (making an OSM based A-Z). Ciarán ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2819 - Release Date: 04/18/10 19:31:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2819 - Release Date: 04/18/10 19:31:00 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Kidderminster
Brian, Mine are done. It was a great day, one of the best I have had in a long while, which suggests I should get away from Walsall mapping a bit more ;-) Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-westmidlands-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- westmidlands-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Brian Prangle Sent: 19 April 2010 10:12 PM To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Kidderminster Hi everyone Can you let me know when you've finished your edits so I can get an after map to go on the blog with the before map. So far it's lookinbg pretty good! Regards Brian No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2819 - Release Date: 04/18/10 19:31:00 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Kidderminster this saturday - meeting place?
Those going to Kidderminster Following on from the rendezvous venue, we were looking into lunchtime pubs. Thanks Gavin for the suggestions and checking out. We don't need to decide before we meet tomorrow but it might be good to have the options in mind as we are mapping. Theses are the ones so far identified as possibilities: The top two on this search result are both listed to serve real ale: http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/results.shtml?n=st=tc=kidderminsterp c=country=rating=ra=onf=onsearch=search The King Castle and the The Red Man do Saturday lunches. The Fox Inn is probably too far out and Gavin could not contact them anyway. The King Castle is right next to Kidderminster railway station. Parking may not be free (but not a problem for those on two wheels or foot) The Red Man has little parking. The other options are: The Land Oak on the junction of the A449 and A456. It is your standard large pub and has the advantage of some parking. It is on the North East side of Kidderminster. Boars Head This pub has a bit more character but you need to park in the local car parks. This is just west of the town centre. See you tomorrow morning. Looks like its going to be a fantastic day out. I might even be tempted to ride down for afternoon tea by the Severn at Bewdley before the day is out :-) Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) [mailto:ajrli...@googlemail.com] Sent: 12 April 2010 10:20 PM To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: RE: Kidderminster this saturday - meeting place? Feedback suggests Sainsbury's at 10am is good so I've put that on the wiki. We do need a pub for lunchtime though, so can we have some suggestions for that please too. Would be nice to nail down somewhere before we go. Ideally it's a location which doesn't get too rammed on a Saturday lunchtime. Some real ale would be bonus. If you want to bag a slice of cake now then drop your name onto the wiki. Suggest we leave at least slice 10 for Gavin unless he shouts for other areas. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) [mailto:ajrli...@googlemail.com] Sent: 12 April 2010 5:29 PM To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Kidderminster this saturday - meeting place? We need to decide where we should meet up on Saturday morning. Gavin has suggested the coffee shop at the Salisbury's store here [1] as it has free parking. Or would others prefer somewhere in the town centre or closer to the Station? We said we would meet at 10:00 which works for me. [1] http://osm.org/go/euxoJ4jV Cheers Andy No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2805 - Release Date: 04/11/10 19:32:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2813 - Release Date: 04/15/10 19:31:00 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] Kidderminster mapping Party reminder - Sat 17th April
Yes, it is. I sent Mike an invite but unfortunately he is doing something else this weekend, however he wishes us good luck. He grew up in Kiddy but doesn't live there now. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Gregory [mailto:nomoregra...@googlemail.com] Sent: 13 April 2010 2:52 AM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Kidderminster mapping Party reminder - Sat 17th April Is that where the Radio 4 On The Map presenter grew up? If so, have you sent him an invite? On 12 April 2010 14:24, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: A reminder that there is a mapping party this Saturday 17th April in Kidderminster. Details here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2807 - Release Date: 04/12/10 19:32:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Kidderminster this saturday - meeting place?
Feedback suggests Sainsbury's at 10am is good so I've put that on the wiki. We do need a pub for lunchtime though, so can we have some suggestions for that please too. Would be nice to nail down somewhere before we go. Ideally it's a location which doesn't get too rammed on a Saturday lunchtime. Some real ale would be bonus. If you want to bag a slice of cake now then drop your name onto the wiki. Suggest we leave at least slice 10 for Gavin unless he shouts for other areas. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) [mailto:ajrli...@googlemail.com] Sent: 12 April 2010 5:29 PM To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Kidderminster this saturday - meeting place? We need to decide where we should meet up on Saturday morning. Gavin has suggested the coffee shop at the Salisbury's store here [1] as it has free parking. Or would others prefer somewhere in the town centre or closer to the Station? We said we would meet at 10:00 which works for me. [1] http://osm.org/go/euxoJ4jV Cheers Andy No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2805 - Release Date: 04/11/10 19:32:00 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] Kidderminster mapping Party reminder - Sat 17th April
A reminder that there is a mapping party this Saturday 17th April in Kidderminster. Details here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] West Mids Ward Boundaries
I wrote this in expectation of sending to the west mids list only, but decided to copy also to the talk-gb list as well. Apologies for cross posting. With the election process underway we might think about a topical map. If we can get the ward boundary data into OSM in time then we could show a map with some colouring that shows what the current lay of the land is in the west mids and which are marginal seats, retiring candidates, etc etc. It's just an idea and I appreciate that it needs a lot of work to see fruition, but it's an opportunity should there be time to take up the challenge. I'm sure there will be others who will be working on the boundary-line data nationally, but I suspect they will take some time to get moving and realise the data in OSM, like NaPTAN if we take and deal with our little area we can perhaps push it on a bit. I'm envisaging a manual process of ward placement on the basis of loading an OSM file as a layer in josm for each ward boundary. These would need to be generated from Boundary-Line shape file extract. I'm guessing the data we need is in the DISTRICT_BOROUGH_UNITARY_WARD_REGION shapefile though need to check the product user guide to be sure. http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/products/boundaryline/pdf/userguid e.pdf http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/index.html?bdy_wmids_summary.html is a useful resource. One fly in the ointment is that the ward boundaries in Boundary-Line are I believe the 2009 positions and not the new ward boundaries that will shape this next election. The changes are discussed in the User Guide (Annexe A). I assume that OS OpenData Boundary Line will be updated to the new boundary data in May, but I don't see anything specific on that yet. Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
