Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin maps for India? Contours?
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: Contours are a pain. If you've really left this to the last minute then you're not going to want to get up the learning curve for creating your own for Garmin devices. I have a little script which can do it from download to mkgmap. requires a bunch of utilities installed like gdal, proj4, shp2osm, perl ... once this is done it is only a question of compute time. Yeah, I hadn't realised that contours are so complicated. I definitely don't have the time to investigate all that stuff, but I got some help on talk-in, so I'll see how that goes. Thanks all, Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin maps for India? Contours?
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Charlie Ferrero char...@cferrero.netwrote: Contours are a pain. If you've really left this to the last minute then you're not going to want to get up the learning curve for creating your own for Garmin devices. I have a little script which can do it from download to mkgmap. requires a bunch of utilities installed like gdal, proj4, shp2osm, perl ... once this is done it is only a question of compute time. for northern india srtm is probably bad quality and viewfinderpanorama will be much better with all the voids filled in. don't have access to my machine currently so can't help for a short term map creation. eventually can get to access the scripts later today -- Charlie ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin maps for India? Contours?
On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 22:55 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: Hi all, As usual I've left this to the last minute, but wondering if anyone knows of any downloadable Garmin maps, preferably bicycle ones, for northern India (Himachal Pradesh). I'm going to try the Cloudmade ones as a backup (they're not routable or bike specific), but are there any others? Secondly, what about contours? I'm going to try this site: http://blog.bokhorst.biz/1864/computers-en-internet/how-to-create-custom-garmin-contour-maps/ but it's a worry when the author thinks that a 21 step process involving 6 downloads is very easy. post on talk-in - I know there is at least one guy working on that area, possibly a few more -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin maps for India? Contours?
On 18/10/2010 15:55, Steve Bennett wrote: Hi all, As usual I've left this to the last minute, but wondering if anyone knows of any downloadable Garmin maps, preferably bicycle ones, for northern India (Himachal Pradesh). I'm going to try the Cloudmade ones as a backup (they're not routable or bike specific), but are there any others? Secondly, what about contours? I'm going to try this site: http://blog.bokhorst.biz/1864/computers-en-internet/how-to-create-custom-garmin-contour-maps/ but it's a worry when the author thinks that a 21 step process involving 6 downloads is very easy. Thanks, Steve How about: http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php or http://openmtbmap.org/download/ Contours are a pain. If you've really left this to the last minute then you're not going to want to get up the learning curve for creating your own for Garmin devices. -- Charlie ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:28:36 -0700, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Is there an #osm-garmin IRC chat for those who specialize in making custom garmin maps? I think there is a need to combine the tallent that is collectively known about all the tools available to make it. With an aim to make a better central repository for the maps. And a slippy map system where Contours typ styles can be made. Isn't the mkgmap mailinglist suitable for that? http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkgmap-dev Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 9:34 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Why do you take responsibility for postal losses? That seems super bad luck. You're running a business right not a socialist theocracy. Just put a note on the checkout that says uninsured postal delivery: £4 recorded, insured delivery: £10 I can tell you haven't run an online shop yet :-) The insurance and recording is irrelevant to the customer, since it's me who is insured and/or making the claim - so it makes no sense to offer the customer the choice. I have two choices, either to charge considerably more for recorded post, which adds hassle to both me and my customers, or go with the default postage and hope that both the mail company delivers and the customers don't falsely claim non-receipt. I say hope but it's actually carefully balanced - the extra cost-per-sale (and subsequent reduction in sales) is weighed against the occasional loss but increased revenue from lower prices. The tipping point depends largely on the margin per sale (the bigger the margin, the less of a problem re-sending becomes), so I handle some products differently to others. Good to know that you are confusing great customer services and careful economics with misplaced religious belief systems! Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
interesting: http://reviews.ebay.co.uk/When-Items-Get-Lost-In-The-Post_W0QQugidZ103212591 out of interest, does RM actually compensate you then? On May 21, 2010, at 7:07 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 9:34 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Why do you take responsibility for postal losses? That seems super bad luck. You're running a business right not a socialist theocracy. Just put a note on the checkout that says uninsured postal delivery: £4 recorded, insured delivery: £10 I can tell you haven't run an online shop yet :-) The insurance and recording is irrelevant to the customer, since it's me who is insured and/or making the claim - so it makes no sense to offer the customer the choice. I have two choices, either to charge considerably more for recorded post, which adds hassle to both me and my customers, or go with the default postage and hope that both the mail company delivers and the customers don't falsely claim non-receipt. I say hope but it's actually carefully balanced - the extra cost-per-sale (and subsequent reduction in sales) is weighed against the occasional loss but increased revenue from lower prices. The tipping point depends largely on the margin per sale (the bigger the margin, the less of a problem re-sending becomes), so I handle some products differently to others. Good to know that you are confusing great customer services and careful economics with misplaced religious belief systems! Cheers, Andy Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
On 22 May 2010 01:55, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: out of interest, does RM actually compensate you then? I don't know about RM in the UK, but Auspost in Australia hates paying up on insurance claims and they will usually track it down and find it as a result :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
Why do you take responsibility for postal losses? That seems super bad luck. You're running a business right not a socialist theocracy. Just put a note on the checkout that says uninsured postal delivery: £4 recorded, insured delivery: £10 or whatever. On May 18, 2010, at 5:03 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: For people who can't manage downloading a file, Andy provides a nice service of posting garmin maps on an SD card. http://shop.opencyclemap.org/ I don't know if he gets a tiny profit margin or not, but the prices are good just for blank SD cards! Thanks. I make a small profit on each sale, after everyone else takes their cut (paypal fees, shipping, and so on). But profit on each sale of SD cards is eaten up entirely by the combination of monthly site running costs, postal losses (grr) and other overheads. I'll need a lot more sales before I can fund the rest of opencyclemap with income from the shop, and I laugh when I think of what my hourly rate works out as! The situation is even worse for the OSM surveyors jackets, where the margin is so small (under a pound) that a single lost item would take me around another 20 sales just to make back. So far I've sold three, and the first one of those (to a certain someone you might know) actually worked out at a materials loss (of 17p), not counting monthly overheads. But it's great promotion for OSM, helps raise money for OSMF, and I think these things are important. So if anyone is wondering, the little shop that I have is time-consuming and barely breaks even, but it's good fun to run and has many happy customers, and that's really why I do it. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote: For people who can't manage downloading a file, Andy provides a nice service of posting garmin maps on an SD card. http://shop.opencyclemap.org/ I don't know if he gets a tiny profit margin or not, but the prices are good just for blank SD cards! Thanks. I make a small profit on each sale, after everyone else takes their cut (paypal fees, shipping, and so on). But profit on each sale of SD cards is eaten up entirely by the combination of monthly site running costs, postal losses (grr) and other overheads. I'll need a lot more sales before I can fund the rest of opencyclemap with income from the shop, and I laugh when I think of what my hourly rate works out as! The situation is even worse for the OSM surveyors jackets, where the margin is so small (under a pound) that a single lost item would take me around another 20 sales just to make back. So far I've sold three, and the first one of those (to a certain someone you might know) actually worked out at a materials loss (of 17p), not counting monthly overheads. But it's great promotion for OSM, helps raise money for OSMF, and I think these things are important. So if anyone is wondering, the little shop that I have is time-consuming and barely breaks even, but it's good fun to run and has many happy customers, and that's really why I do it. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
Hi, On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 08:48:53PM -0400, Sami Dalouche wrote: The http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php page contains only auto-routable maps, right ? My current need is to get : - routable maps for Quebec, Vermont, New Hampshire, and NY - hiking maps for Quebec, Vermont, New Hampshire, and NY But more generally, I think I would like to (and think it would benefit the OSM community if it were possible) be able to just go one one website, that presents me with all the maps I can download for a given (predefined) area, and quickly load it to my GPS device. There's also http://gpsmapsearch.com/ which links to other people's maps. This is the highest referrer to my own web page of Irish Garmin maps. Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
Nice, I've added a 'downloads' section on each of Canada's provincial wiki pages, for those who dont need upto the minuite Garmin Maps. Thanks to Cloudmade.com for having the .osm files made. -i'll need to figure out how to get my listing on their Sam On 5/17/10, Andrew McCarthy m...@andrewmccarthy.ie wrote: Hi, On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 08:48:53PM -0400, Sami Dalouche wrote: The http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php page contains only auto-routable maps, right ? My current need is to get : - routable maps for Quebec, Vermont, New Hampshire, and NY - hiking maps for Quebec, Vermont, New Hampshire, and NY But more generally, I think I would like to (and think it would benefit the OSM community if it were possible) be able to just go one one website, that presents me with all the maps I can download for a given (predefined) area, and quickly load it to my GPS device. There's also http://gpsmapsearch.com/ which links to other people's maps. This is the highest referrer to my own web page of Irish Garmin maps. Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
It might be worth looking at Maperitive, its new, in beta but does some very nice things like export bit map and a SVG export command is planned. The really nice thing is though that since it can work with either a local file (save an OSM file from JOSM) or on the web linked to the OSM database you get a lot more control over what is rendered and how it is rendered since the processing is done locally. So here in Canada I have it displaying the street names in French in a bilingual region. If it can be linked to the Garmins then you get control over which area you want, and just the area you want, at what level of detail and which brand of coffee shops you're most interested in. Cheerio John On 15 May 2010 22:13, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Sami Dalouche sko...@free.fr wrote: What I see is hundreds of small projects or individual people creating ... So, I am currently thinking of starting a complementary project to OSM See the problem here? IMHO if you want to put some effort into this, the best thing you could do would be to try and unite/combine/link/organise all those hundreds of small projects - rather than just start another one. My experience has been that for part of the world, there is a different project somewhere producing the maps you need. For example, in australia, it's really easy: http://www.osmaustralia.org/downloads.php In the case of Garmin, complication seems to also arise from the fact that earlier Garmins required special software (like Mapsource) to load the maps onto the device. Newer ones (like my Oregon 550) are trivial: simply download a .img file, and copy it into the right directory. So, I think there need to be more services of this kind: websites that regularly (eg, every week or more often) generate .img files of a given area, in a number of styles (eg, hiking, cycling, driving...) There is already a central registry of these kinds of sites: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/Download But it could be improved. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
This kind of project is definitely exciting ! However, I still think it is meant to be used by advanced users, and I would first like to focus on achieving the simple use case of loading the GPS with some data, without detailed control of the exact area nor the rendering. (I think it is reasonable to assume that someone is going to download the complete data for a given state even if he's only interested in part of it... ) So, I see this tool as another part of the toolkit that supports people's generation of new maps, that can then be aggregated on the user-centric website I am talking about. Am I wrong to assume this ? Sami On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 08:12 -0400, john whelan wrote: It might be worth looking at Maperitive, its new, in beta but does some very nice things like export bit map and a SVG export command is planned. The really nice thing is though that since it can work with either a local file (save an OSM file from JOSM) or on the web linked to the OSM database you get a lot more control over what is rendered and how it is rendered since the processing is done locally. So here in Canada I have it displaying the street names in French in a bilingual region. If it can be linked to the Garmins then you get control over which area you want, and just the area you want, at what level of detail and which brand of coffee shops you're most interested in. Cheerio John On 15 May 2010 22:13, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Sami Dalouche sko...@free.fr wrote: What I see is hundreds of small projects or individual people creating ... So, I am currently thinking of starting a complementary project to OSM See the problem here? IMHO if you want to put some effort into this, the best thing you could do would be to try and unite/combine/link/organise all those hundreds of small projects - rather than just start another one. My experience has been that for part of the world, there is a different project somewhere producing the maps you need. For example, in australia, it's really easy: http://www.osmaustralia.org/downloads.php In the case of Garmin, complication seems to also arise from the fact that earlier Garmins required special software (like Mapsource) to load the maps onto the device. Newer ones (like my Oregon 550) are trivial: simply download a .img file, and copy it into the right directory. So, I think there need to be more services of this kind: websites that regularly (eg, every week or more often) generate .img files of a given area, in a number of styles (eg, hiking, cycling, driving...) There is already a central registry of these kinds of sites: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/Download But it could be improved. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
Hi, OSMAustralia is awesome, and it's exactly the kind of simple user-centric website that I think is useful for end-users. However, I am not sure of what are you suggesting me. How do you see uniting/combining/linking/organizing all those hundreds of small projects without creating a new fresh repository ? In any case, we're on the same track here. I do not want to duplicate any effort, and do not feel like developing the NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrom. Sami On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 12:13 +1000, Steve Bennett wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Sami Dalouche sko...@free.fr wrote: What I see is hundreds of small projects or individual people creating ... So, I am currently thinking of starting a complementary project to OSM See the problem here? IMHO if you want to put some effort into this, the best thing you could do would be to try and unite/combine/link/organise all those hundreds of small projects - rather than just start another one. My experience has been that for part of the world, there is a different project somewhere producing the maps you need. For example, in australia, it's really easy: http://www.osmaustralia.org/downloads.php In the case of Garmin, complication seems to also arise from the fact that earlier Garmins required special software (like Mapsource) to load the maps onto the device. Newer ones (like my Oregon 550) are trivial: simply download a .img file, and copy it into the right directory. So, I think there need to be more services of this kind: websites that regularly (eg, every week or more often) generate .img files of a given area, in a number of styles (eg, hiking, cycling, driving...) There is already a central registry of these kinds of sites: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/Download But it could be improved. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 18:53 -0700, Sam Vekemans wrote: Hi, On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Sami Dalouche sko...@free.fr wrote: snip So, if you already have all the rendering machinery in place, I would be happy to create the scripts to regularly go fetch the maps you render and publish them onto some kind of user-centric website. That would be awesome ! sami Yup it would :) ... yes they are routable, and your talking about 2 different countries and 3 different states, and cycling / hiking / routing / contour (topographical) which cover a big area. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.41lon=-74.69zoom=7layers=B000FTFT (zoom in to where you like and click the Permalink button at the bottom right corner) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.1481lon=-71.6721zoom=13layers=B000FTF is an example of an area that is of interest to me. However, as I prefer simplicity of use over complete control, I prefer loading a 4GB SD card with the whole area I am possibly interested in (let's say, new england + NY + quebec), and then forget about it. Are you saying that it is an unreasonable use case ? Contour + Hiking map/cycling - non-routable on MapSource is possable hiking + routable (no contours on MapSource) is possable. routable + contours on MapSource is not possable (because of licence proprietary software) When you say possible/impossible on MapSource, do you mean technically possible/impossible using Garmin's .img format ? What is the licensing problem that prevents creating routable + contour maps ? However, transparent contour IMG files (that i'm making) can be used as a background map (And a contour -only MapSource Installer and/or as available IMG tiles., for any map that you want. (is also in progress) I'm sorry I'm not yet familiar with the GPS I just got, but please let me rephrase that so I am sure to understand : it is impossible to create a contour + routable + hiking on garmin, but you are circomventing this limitation by generating an additional transparent background map that can be overlaid on top of any other map, including hiking+routable. Is that what you mean ? Also, I wonder : what is the difference between the contour map that you talk about and garmin's official topographic maps ? Do the topographic map contain more information than the contour ? Yup, Slowly but surely, this is the goal todo. In order to get to that point, there is a WHOLE LOT of technical process that needs to be done. No doubt about that ;) The beauty of software development ;-) To talk@ osm: In other words, I just need to get a .nsis script file created using ground truth, (just like makemap has). I can do that myself with an .iss file, but it will stall is not automatic, other than that were set on the back-end side. For the front-end. I have it set to edting a txt file. and following dos command prompts. But thats as technical as i know how. ( Because it is using outside programs, the details i'll post on a blog or something) Cheers, Sam Regards, Sami ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
On 05/16/2010 01:57 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Yes, such a project would be useful. I suggest you get in contact with some of the people already running something similar, e.g.: http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php That project has selectable maps, a mapsource installer and more. Presumably it could use some programming help to perhaps make custom maps. I would like that to happen (users choosing their own product id, add contours, prefer cycling or car etc) but the server is already overloaded and there is just no chance that more functionality could be added. So, that's left to others (and there are plenty of others already). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
Yes, such a project would be useful. I suggest you get in contact with some of the people already running something similar, e.g.: http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php That project has selectable maps, a mapsource installer and more. Presumably it could use some programming help to perhaps make custom maps. There's also style support in mkgmap, but I don't know of any nice UI for setting those styles. Something neat for that would be nice, and could be used by such a project. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
Hi, In short, thats what im working on (as well as many others) OSM is still in its infancy, we have all of the pieces of the puzzle available, but not yet to the point where you can do to the main openstreetmap.org page, zoom into an area click on the 'download tab' (it doesn't exist yet) and you will get options for downloading nice pre-done pdf maps / MapSource Installers . What is the exact area you are interested in? (zoom in permalink) I can make a routable -osm installer for that area (just like the http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php site.) I can also produce a set of transparent contour IMG files, were you install those onto the device. http://www.img2gps.co.cc/ is a simple windows program to load the IMG files to the device. There are pre-made Garmin IMG files which are nice 1x1 degree tiles http://touren.mospace.de/kachel.html (zoom into an area select the OSM icon on the bounding box submit. Cheers, Sam On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Sami Dalouche sko...@free.fr wrote: Hi, I just bought a garmin GPS device and thought it would be fun to load it with OSM maps. (I am especially interested in maps that provide me with some value while hiking in New Hampshire, Vermont and NY) However, after searching a little bit, I came to the conclusion that populating a GPS device with the right OSM map is definitely more suited for a hacker than an end-user. What I see is hundreds of small projects or individual people creating incredibly useful work, but good luck finding what is actually available and what you are looking for. Every google search leads me to forum or wiki pages that describe (complex) procedures to generate my own maps.. So, I am currently thinking of starting a complementary project to OSM that would be aimed at Garmin (maybe others later?) GPS end-users. You know, some kind of website that gives you a direct download link to a file that is of the right type (Cycling, Hiking/Mountainbiking, Routing, Topographic) for the right place (Country, province/state). In other words, my use case is : Search free garmin hiking maps new hampshire on google, and the first result should bring you a simple-to-use download page that provides you with a file to copy on your SD card. So, my questions are : 1/ Is there already an OSM subproject or OSM-linked project that tries to achieve the same goal, and that I might have missed ? 2/ Is there anyone who thinks it is worth putting some effort into this ? 3/ Is there anyone interested in helping me achieving this simple goal ? Any kind of help is welcome, including pointing me to the right information and spending an hour or so on skype with me to kickstart me into the OSM jungle. thanks, Sami ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
Hi, thanks for the prompt reply ! The http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php page contains only auto-routable maps, right ? My current need is to get : - routable maps for Quebec, Vermont, New Hampshire, and NY - hiking maps for Quebec, Vermont, New Hampshire, and NY But more generally, I think I would like to (and think it would benefit the OSM community if it were possible) be able to just go one one website, that presents me with all the maps I can download for a given (predefined) area, and quickly load it to my GPS device. So for example, if I decide to go cycling tomorrow, I'd like to quickly go to some website that tells me that for the region of Quebec, I can download : - cycling maps - hiking maps (are topographic maps and hiking maps the same ?) - routing maps I see my options, choose one or to depending on my needs, load it onto the GPS, and I'm done. Should not be more complicated than buying the official garmin maps.. So, if you already have all the rendering machinery in place, I would be happy to create the scripts to regularly go fetch the maps you render and publish them onto some kind of user-centric website. That would be awesome ! sami On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 17:09 -0700, Sam Vekemans wrote: Hi, In short, thats what im working on (as well as many others) OSM is still in its infancy, we have all of the pieces of the puzzle available, but not yet to the point where you can do to the main openstreetmap.org page, zoom into an area click on the 'download tab' (it doesn't exist yet) and you will get options for downloading nice pre-done pdf maps / MapSource Installers . What is the exact area you are interested in? (zoom in permalink) I can make a routable -osm installer for that area (just like the http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php site.) I can also produce a set of transparent contour IMG files, were you install those onto the device. http://www.img2gps.co.cc/ is a simple windows program to load the IMG files to the device. There are pre-made Garmin IMG files which are nice 1x1 degree tiles http://touren.mospace.de/kachel.html (zoom into an area select the OSM icon on the bounding box submit. Cheers, Sam On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Sami Dalouche sko...@free.fr wrote: Hi, I just bought a garmin GPS device and thought it would be fun to load it with OSM maps. (I am especially interested in maps that provide me with some value while hiking in New Hampshire, Vermont and NY) However, after searching a little bit, I came to the conclusion that populating a GPS device with the right OSM map is definitely more suited for a hacker than an end-user. What I see is hundreds of small projects or individual people creating incredibly useful work, but good luck finding what is actually available and what you are looking for. Every google search leads me to forum or wiki pages that describe (complex) procedures to generate my own maps.. So, I am currently thinking of starting a complementary project to OSM that would be aimed at Garmin (maybe others later?) GPS end-users. You know, some kind of website that gives you a direct download link to a file that is of the right type (Cycling, Hiking/Mountainbiking, Routing, Topographic) for the right place (Country, province/state). In other words, my use case is : Search free garmin hiking maps new hampshire on google, and the first result should bring you a simple-to-use download page that provides you with a file to copy on your SD card. So, my questions are : 1/ Is there already an OSM subproject or OSM-linked project that tries to achieve the same goal, and that I might have missed ? 2/ Is there anyone who thinks it is worth putting some effort into this ? 3/ Is there anyone interested in helping me achieving this simple goal ? Any kind of help is welcome, including pointing me to the right information and spending an hour or so on skype with me to kickstart me into the OSM jungle. thanks, Sami ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
Hi, On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Sami Dalouche sko...@free.fr wrote: snip So, if you already have all the rendering machinery in place, I would be happy to create the scripts to regularly go fetch the maps you render and publish them onto some kind of user-centric website. That would be awesome ! sami Yup it would :) ... yes they are routable, and your talking about 2 different countries and 3 different states, and cycling / hiking / routing / contour (topographical) which cover a big area. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.41lon=-74.69zoom=7layers=B000FTFT (zoom in to where you like and click the Permalink button at the bottom right corner) Contour + Hiking map/cycling - non-routable on MapSource is possable hiking + routable (no contours on MapSource) is possable. routable + contours on MapSource is not possable (because of licence proprietary software) However, transparent contour IMG files (that i'm making) can be used as a background map (And a contour -only MapSource Installer and/or as available IMG tiles., for any map that you want. (is also in progress) Yup, Slowly but surely, this is the goal todo. In order to get to that point, there is a WHOLE LOT of technical process that needs to be done. To talk@ osm: In other words, I just need to get a .nsis script file created using ground truth, (just like makemap has). I can do that myself with an .iss file, but it will stall is not automatic, other than that were set on the back-end side. For the front-end. I have it set to edting a txt file. and following dos command prompts. But thats as technical as i know how. ( Because it is using outside programs, the details i'll post on a blog or something) Cheers, Sam ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Sami Dalouche sko...@free.fr wrote: What I see is hundreds of small projects or individual people creating ... So, I am currently thinking of starting a complementary project to OSM See the problem here? IMHO if you want to put some effort into this, the best thing you could do would be to try and unite/combine/link/organise all those hundreds of small projects - rather than just start another one. My experience has been that for part of the world, there is a different project somewhere producing the maps you need. For example, in australia, it's really easy: http://www.osmaustralia.org/downloads.php In the case of Garmin, complication seems to also arise from the fact that earlier Garmins required special software (like Mapsource) to load the maps onto the device. Newer ones (like my Oregon 550) are trivial: simply download a .img file, and copy it into the right directory. So, I think there need to be more services of this kind: websites that regularly (eg, every week or more often) generate .img files of a given area, in a number of styles (eg, hiking, cycling, driving...) There is already a central registry of these kinds of sites: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/Download But it could be improved. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin maps with SRTM countours and OSM data?
On 23/03/2008, David Ebling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, just wondering if anyone can help me - I want to make a Garmin .IMG file of the whole of cumbria that includes NASA SRTM data, as the IMG files from here do: http://www.smc.org.uk/ContourMaps.htm but i'd also like to have OSM road, footpath, cycle path etc data on there too. The Garmin unit i'm trying to use it on is a 60Csx, which doesn't seem able to display more than one map for an area at a time, so i'm not able to have the SRTM data in one map file and the OSM/MapSource data in another, and show both at once. I am a bit surprised you can only show one map at a time, but I have an etrex and their capabilities may vary. I could simply be that both maps you are trying to show are non-transparent. While OSM has its own map compiler I have always used cgpsmapper ( www.cgpsmapper.com) which uses an input format known as the 'Polish' or mp format. Anyway, technically you can use GPSMapEdit to extract the map data from the SMC file into 'Polish format' and there are some older programs on the OSM site on how to transform the OSM format into the Polish format as well. You can then simply provide a combined input file for both raw data formats and recompile the data into a single map. There is also a program called gmaptool (difficult to find: http://www.anpo.republika.pl/download.html#gmaptool) which has a simple join facility, but it might not work if you are dealing with overlapping maps (the main purpose is to combine non-overlapping maps for use with some of the newer Garmins which only allow a single image to be present). HTH Ludwig ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin maps with SRTM countours and OSM data?
Hi David, David Ebling wrote: Hi all, just wondering if anyone can help me - I want to make a Garmin .IMG file of the whole of cumbria that includes NASA SRTM data, as the IMG files from here do: http://www.smc.org.uk/ContourMaps.htm but i'd also like to have OSM road, footpath, cycle path etc data on there too. The Garmin unit i'm trying to use it on is a 60Csx, which doesn't seem able to display more than one map for an area at a time, so i'm not able to have the SRTM data in one map file and the OSM/MapSource data in another, and show both at once. Are you sure? I use eTrex Vista, which is a cheaper model than 60csx and I use OSM data + separate contours without problems. The order of loading maps is important (when you look at the list of maps on your GPS unit, contours maps should be at the end of the list). And I think certain maps have some sort of transparency setting turned on, and some do not, but I'm not sure. I use contours which were generated with DEM2TOPO tool (I didn't do this myself). Can anyone help with this? I would like to do the same for the south downs area too once I've worked out how to do this? I'm not hugely familiar with the more technical aspects of this, and am working on windows. I am pretty computer literate though. Check out http://home.cinci.rr.com/creek/garmin.htm and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Srtm2Osm#Categorizing_Contours_For_Mkgmap. Igor -- http://igorbrejc.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin maps with SRTM countours and OSM data?
I've tried this, and had all sorts of problems doing this myself, on my Windows machine. First of all, all the maps have to be in a single gmapsupp.img file, but can still be separate maps within that file, as long as you have combined them before converting to the Garmin format. Combining the SMC Contours with OSM maps produced by mkgmap (the OSM map needed splitting with osmcut.jar which introduces additional problems itself including some roads not appearing) causes problems - as you scroll through the various zoom levels you either get contours or OSM maps, and only at certain zoom levels will you get both. I'm sure spending a lot more time with changing the mkgmap settings would result in getting everything right... However, I've been working with some other guys and we are now planning to take the raw SRTM data and ensuring it's built with the same mkgmap settings as the OSM map, which removes these zooming problems. We are working on producing regular updates of the OSM map for Garmin (with and without contours) from a dedicated website www.mapomatic.net Right now, we are beta testing the non-contour maps with a group of people to make sure the maps work fine on a variety of different Garmin units before we release this publicly and move onto working on the contour version (and then onto some other OSM related projects). Hopefully within the next few weeks / months, we would be able to provide you with a full map of the UK with contours that you could use with your 60CSx, although you are welcome to sign up as a beta tester (I believe Stuart has already contacted you directly offering you this). Steve On 23/03/2008, David Ebling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, just wondering if anyone can help me - I want to make a Garmin .IMG file of the whole of cumbria that includes NASA SRTM data, as the IMG files from here do: http://www.smc.org.uk/ContourMaps.htm but i'd also like to have OSM road, footpath, cycle path etc data on there too. The Garmin unit i'm trying to use it on is a 60Csx, which doesn't seem able to display more than one map for an area at a time, so i'm not able to have the SRTM data in one map file and the OSM/MapSource data in another, and show both at once. Can anyone help with this? I would like to do the same for the south downs area too once I've worked out how to do this? I'm not hugely familiar with the more technical aspects of this, and am working on windows. I am pretty computer literate though. Thanks for any help, David __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. More Ways to Keep in Touch. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
