Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] wrote: Sent: 09 October 2011 21:16 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap snip However, if a bunch of OSM activists want to get sponsorship _outside_ OSMF to set up a tile-serving co-op which charges cost-plus, go for it. There is a sort of list at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Commercial_OSM_Software_and_Services Though I don't know how complete it is. Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
Zsombor Szabó zsom...@gmail.com wrote: About OpenMaps: OpenMaps is a powerful iOS app based on maps and web services around OpenStreetMap. To date it was downloaded more than 250.000 times and as of 2011.09.07 it is the 7th most popular OSM editor. I'm also a happy user of openmaps on iPad. To temporaly solve the problem (using openmaps) i add openmapquest tile server to openmaps. http://otile[1234].mqcdn.com/tiles/1.0.0/osm/zoom/x/y.png But it doesn't really solve anything. If openmaps users is growing you probably needs your own tile server solution, as said before. -- Pierre-Alain Dorange OSM experiences : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
Please bear in mind that, even if we wanted to offer free tiles to every commercial app in the world, our hosts would not permit us to do so. Nor is it OSM's role to give OpenMaps a competitive advantage by providing it with a free server when (for example) the OffMaps developers offer similar apps but pay for their own servers. (Of course, if any individuals wanted to start a project to provide such a free tile server, I'm sure it would be very popular.) Absolutely. This may be a rather controversial opinion, but would it maybe be a good idea to offer Qt like licencing for use of the OSM tile server? Rather than paying say GBP100 a month for their hosting (I'm guessing it would be that much for a serious tile provider , as I pay around GBP25 for mine and still encounter osm2pgsql import issues) could closed-source/commercial apps maybe pay a similar amount to OSM instead to pay for increased server power? If you're making a profit on your app, it kind-of seems fair to pay for use of tiles, while app or library developers using an open-source licence would still be able to use the tiles for free, with a perhaps more generous usage allowance than presently. The original suggestion of vector rendering seems a good one though, perhaps better, in certain cases than setting up your own tile server. Given that planet extracts are readily downloadable, and as server resources are the thing that need to be minimised if at all possible, offloading rendering to the client can only be a good thing. Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
I am a user of your product, and I think you made a nice product. I also think that now your product is mature (25+), it's time for you to supply your own tiles to your users. Not only would that allow a better service to us, but also makes it possible for us to download all zoom levels and to create a better map, as you may render more then one view on the world. (cycles, walking, skiing hills etc) OSM provides free map data but: Free data is one, but free tile access is something else. The download feature of openmaps is a paid extension to openmaps. With the money it earns it may be easy to setup your own servers... A bit of negotiations with the community might even lead to mutual load sharing, a win-win for all of us. (Also Openmaps is not an editor, but merely a map viewer. For us to use it as an editor an additional fee needs to be paid. I think that is strange.) Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) Before printing, think about the environment. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Zsombor Szabó [mailto:zsom...@gmail.com] Verzonden: Saturday, October 08, 2011 2:40 PM Aan: OSM Talk Onderwerp: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap Dear OSMers, we, the developers of OpenMaps, wrote a blog post about OpenMaps getting blocked by OpenStreetMap Mapnik tile servers: http://blog.izeize.com/2011/10/openmaps-app-blocked-by-openstreetmap.html For convenience I pasted the whole text of the blog post below: Earlier this week it came to my attention that OpenMaps' access was blocked to the OpenStreetMap Mapnik tile servers. We suspect that the reason why it was blocked is a tool named the Download tool. The Download tool enables users to download an area of a map from a given map tile server, even custom ones. Users were using this tool to download map tiles from the OpenStreetMap Mapnik tile servers and with this behavior they were violating the tile usage policy of OpenStreetMap. We are very sorry for causing such a problem for the OpenStreetMap project. To our defense, the tile usage policy wasn't available when we first introduced the Download tool in OpenMaps. Today we submitted an updated version (v4.5.4) of OpenMaps to the App Store and are waiting for approval from Apple. The following modifications were made to the app: - Download tool is still present with a clear discouraging message that it should not be used in abusive behavior. - Maximum of 2 download threads. - Download disabled for 17, 18 and 19 zoom levels. - User agent of non-bulk downloading of map tiles was changed to Op3nMaps(Not.Bulk.Download)/x CFNetwork/x Darwin/x while the user agent for bulk downloading remains unmodified (OpenMaps/x CFNetwork/x Darwin/x). This way browsing and bulk downloading users can clearly be identified on the server side and throttled or banned if necessary. This is our short term solution for the problem, but the long term solution is clearly a vector based renderer. I previously alluded that it is coming on my twitter profile. About OpenMaps: OpenMaps is a powerful iOS app based on maps and web services around OpenStreetMap. To date it was downloaded more than 250.000 times and as of 2011.09.07 it is the 7th most popular OSM editor. Best regards, Zsombor Szabo IZE, Ltd. http://izeize.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: I am a user of your product, and I think you made a nice product. I also think that now your product is mature (25+), it's time for you to supply your own tiles to your users. Not only would that allow a better service to us, but also makes it possible for us to download all zoom levels and to create a better map, as you may render more then one view on the world. (cycles, walking, skiing hills etc) OSM provides free map data but: Free data is one, but free tile access is something else. The download feature of openmaps is a paid extension to openmaps. With the money it earns it may be easy to setup your own servers... A bit of negotiations with the community might even lead to mutual load sharing, a win-win for all of us. (Also Openmaps is not an editor, but merely a map viewer. For us to use it as an editor an additional fee needs to be paid. I think that is strange.) Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) Before printing, think about the environment. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Zsombor Szabó [mailto:zsom...@gmail.com] Verzonden: Saturday, October 08, 2011 2:40 PM Aan: OSM Talk Onderwerp: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap Dear OSMers, we, the developers of OpenMaps, wrote a blog post about OpenMaps getting blocked by OpenStreetMap Mapnik tile servers: http://blog.izeize.com/2011/10/openmaps-app-blocked-by-openstreetmap.html For convenience I pasted the whole text of the blog post below: Earlier this week it came to my attention that OpenMaps' access was blocked to the OpenStreetMap Mapnik tile servers. We suspect that the reason why it was blocked is a tool named the Download tool. The Download tool enables users to download an area of a map from a given map tile server, even custom ones. Users were using this tool to download map tiles from the OpenStreetMap Mapnik tile servers and with this behavior they were violating the tile usage policy of OpenStreetMap. We are very sorry for causing such a problem for the OpenStreetMap project. To our defense, the tile usage policy wasn't available when we first introduced the Download tool in OpenMaps. Today we submitted an updated version (v4.5.4) of OpenMaps to the App Store and are waiting for approval from Apple. The following modifications were made to the app: - Download tool is still present with a clear discouraging message that it should not be used in abusive behavior. - Maximum of 2 download threads. - Download disabled for 17, 18 and 19 zoom levels. - User agent of non-bulk downloading of map tiles was changed to Op3nMaps(Not.Bulk.Download)/x CFNetwork/x Darwin/x while the user agent for bulk downloading remains unmodified (OpenMaps/x CFNetwork/x Darwin/x). This way browsing and bulk downloading users can clearly be identified on the server side and throttled or banned if necessary. This is our short term solution for the problem, but the long term solution is clearly a vector based renderer. I previously alluded that it is coming on my twitter profile. About OpenMaps: OpenMaps is a powerful iOS app based on maps and web services around OpenStreetMap. To date it was downloaded more than 250.000 times and as of 2011.09.07 it is the 7th most popular OSM editor. Best regards, Zsombor Szabo IZE, Ltd. http://izeize.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk There are multiple sites that render map tiles based upon the OpenStreetMap database. Since these different renderers serve different purposes, they don't all render the same subset of data. Having a single official set of tiles, rather than different sets for different purposes, would reduce the usefulness of the data. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 08-10-11 14:39, Zsombor Szabó schreef: This is our short term solution for the problem, but the long term solution is clearly a vector based renderer. I previously alluded that it is coming on my twitter profile. The long term solution is offering a service for your users hosted by yourself and not depending on the openstreetmap servers for rendering or handing out data. In this way you can offer a better cache ratio. Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAk6QWM4ACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn2lLQCgjelNKZcEt9STy8p9vRdpWFYR /lUAn3dHVbvNxp1XKrAU8OxqpAYS65P7 =c8AO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
Thanks for the update Zsombor! Well for all of you that didn't noticed the problem with our servers, you might check out the following discussions: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Blocked_applications http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=194881 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/!i!/diary/15046 There are some updates on the other apps as well: Locus: current (already done) steps: 1. today I'll release new version 1.3.4 2. direct downloading from openstreemap.org server will be disable. I'll leave only viewing and caching data. This should reduce locus to only some mobile viewer 3. today I finished new vector maps, (update that finally cover whole planet) so I hope that many users will use them 4. I also moved MapQuest server on first place in list of maps, this should also help to reduce using of OSM classic server 5. And finally I donated amount that at least should cover some damage done due to enormous numbers of users plans: 1. I was yesterday playing for whole day with mapnik, openlayers, mod_tile and some other stuff and even when I never did something like this, seems it should work (I have already simple map of Czech republic in Locus from own server ... nice), so I decided that I'll create own tile server that will move completely all trafic from osm classic server to this (only for locus) server. One my friend is more experience with these server stuff so I'll meet him in monday and hope that we should start work on this soon ... http://forum.asamm.cz/viewtopic.php?f=10t=1166p=6874#p6870 The author of NaviComputer wrote me a mail and pointed out, that the had made some modifications time ago: -limited DL speed and 2 threads only -limited areas (so for zoom 17/18 only smal areas) -additional hints, pleasing the users not to cause to much traffic So we might remove the warnings from the corresponding wiki pages, do we? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Blocked_applications bye Matthias (!i!) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
Hi, we have experimented with hosting the tiles on archive.org there are no size limits or bandwith limits, http://ia600606.us.archive.org/31/items/SharedMap2/index.html mike On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:45 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: I am a user of your product, and I think you made a nice product. I also think that now your product is mature (25+), it's time for you to supply your own tiles to your users. Not only would that allow a better service to us, but also makes it possible for us to download all zoom levels and to create a better map, as you may render more then one view on the world. (cycles, walking, skiing hills etc) OSM provides free map data but: Free data is one, but free tile access is something else. The download feature of openmaps is a paid extension to openmaps. With the money it earns it may be easy to setup your own servers... A bit of negotiations with the community might even lead to mutual load sharing, a win-win for all of us. (Also Openmaps is not an editor, but merely a map viewer. For us to use it as an editor an additional fee needs to be paid. I think that is strange.) Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) Before printing, think about the environment. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Zsombor Szabó [mailto:zsom...@gmail.com] Verzonden: Saturday, October 08, 2011 2:40 PM Aan: OSM Talk Onderwerp: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap Dear OSMers, we, the developers of OpenMaps, wrote a blog post about OpenMaps getting blocked by OpenStreetMap Mapnik tile servers: http://blog.izeize.com/2011/10/openmaps-app-blocked-by-openstreetmap.html For convenience I pasted the whole text of the blog post below: Earlier this week it came to my attention that OpenMaps' access was blocked to the OpenStreetMap Mapnik tile servers. We suspect that the reason why it was blocked is a tool named the Download tool. The Download tool enables users to download an area of a map from a given map tile server, even custom ones. Users were using this tool to download map tiles from the OpenStreetMap Mapnik tile servers and with this behavior they were violating the tile usage policy of OpenStreetMap. We are very sorry for causing such a problem for the OpenStreetMap project. To our defense, the tile usage policy wasn't available when we first introduced the Download tool in OpenMaps. Today we submitted an updated version (v4.5.4) of OpenMaps to the App Store and are waiting for approval from Apple. The following modifications were made to the app: - Download tool is still present with a clear discouraging message that it should not be used in abusive behavior. - Maximum of 2 download threads. - Download disabled for 17, 18 and 19 zoom levels. - User agent of non-bulk downloading of map tiles was changed to Op3nMaps(Not.Bulk.Download)/x CFNetwork/x Darwin/x while the user agent for bulk downloading remains unmodified (OpenMaps/x CFNetwork/x Darwin/x). This way browsing and bulk downloading users can clearly be identified on the server side and throttled or banned if necessary. This is our short term solution for the problem, but the long term solution is clearly a vector based renderer. I previously alluded that it is coming on my twitter profile. About OpenMaps: OpenMaps is a powerful iOS app based on maps and web services around OpenStreetMap. To date it was downloaded more than 250.000 times and as of 2011.09.07 it is the 7th most popular OSM editor. Best regards, Zsombor Szabo IZE, Ltd. http://izeize.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 08-10-11 14:39, Zsombor Szabó schreef: This is our short term solution for the problem, but the long termriv solution is clearly a vector based renderer. I previously alluded that it is coming on my twitter profile. The long term solution is offering a service for your users hosted by yourself and not depending on the openstreetmap servers for rendering or handing out data. In this way you can offer a better cache ratio. I'd say this is not the long term solution, but a sane short term solution, and business opportunity. OSM data is a non-rivalrous good. That is your use does not detract from anyone else's use. The tile server, though, is a rivalrous good. Use of the tile server costs OSM resources, and detracts from other users. If downloaded maps are in such demand, why not find out where your customers want the maps, and then simply offer them in some way (either on demand via your own tile server) of offline in mbtiles bundles by area. Make that part of your pay service (since it certainly costs you money as well). Such tiles don't need to be updated as frequently as normal on-demand tiles, and can be processed in parallel. In other words, you move from frustrating the OSM community and your customers (who can't use the OSM tiles they want) to: 1. Offloading the work from the OSM tile server. 2. Providing a useful service for your customers that's fast (faster than the current method for sure). 3. Providing a new revenue stream for yourself and your business. - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
Zsombor Szabó wrote: This way browsing and bulk downloading users can clearly be identified on the server side and throttled or banned if necessary. It's good that you're making changes, but there's two misapprehensions that need clearing up. Firstly, our sysadmins are unpaid volunteers who are already busy enough maintaining OSM's servers for mappers. They do not have the time to repeatedly identify and block individual users. As a result, individual apps (like OpenMaps) can be expected to be uniformly blocked if the behaviour or sheer number of their users is causing a problem. Secondly, the tile usage policy does _not_ say if you use proper headers, don't download in bulk, and avoid z17-19, you'll be ok. It says you must use proper headers, must not download in bulk, and must avoid z17-19 - but even that does not automatically mean your app is ok. As the Heavy Users section explains, apps that generate significant traffic must use another provider and may be blocked without notice, even if they fulfil the above requirements. Please bear in mind that, even if we wanted to offer free tiles to every commercial app in the world, our hosts would not permit us to do so. Nor is it OSM's role to give OpenMaps a competitive advantage by providing it with a free server when (for example) the OffMaps developers offer similar apps but pay for their own servers. (Of course, if any individuals wanted to start a project to provide such a free tile server, I'm sure it would be very popular.) Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OpenMaps-App-Blocked-By-OpenStreetMap-tp6872391p6872589.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: OSM data is a non-rivalrous good. That is your use does not detract from anyone else's use. The tile server, though, is a rivalrous good. Use of the tile server costs OSM resources, and detracts from other users. it is not any more, we have free hosting for the terabytes. archive.org mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
Am 08.10.2011 16:06, schrieb Matthias Meisser: So we might remove the warnings from the corresponding wiki pages, do we? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Blocked_applications bye Matthias (!i!) I think we should not remove the warnings, but add a note to updated versions that are found to be clean usage. If somebody uses the old app version the modifications won't help and the info page in the wiki is useful. regards Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
Hi, On 10/08/2011 07:25 PM, Mike Dupont wrote: The tile server, though, is a rivalrous good. Use of the tile server costs OSM resources, and detracts from other users. it is not any more, we have free hosting for the terabytes. archive.org http://archive.org This might solve your distribution issue, but ready rendered tiles to not fall from the sky. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 10/08/2011 07:25 PM, Mike Dupont wrote: The tile server, though, is a rivalrous good. Use of the tile server costs OSM resources, and detracts from other users. it is not any more, we have free hosting for the terabytes. archive.org http://archive.org This might solve your distribution issue, but ready rendered tiles to not fall from the sky. My distribution? I am suggesting that OSM use this. mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
Hi, On 10/08/2011 08:19 PM, Mike Dupont wrote: This might solve your distribution issue, but ready rendered tiles to not fall from the sky. My distribution? I am suggesting that OSM use this. Then: This might solve our distribution issue, but ready rendered tiles do not fall from the sky. Also, are you sure that archive.org is a viable platform for the kind of requests we make? I just tried to zoom in on Sydney and was greeted with lots of pink OpenLayers error tiles. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
Hi Mike, Mike Dupont wrote: Hi, we have experimented with hosting the tiles on archive.org there are no size limits or bandwith limits, http://ia600606.us.archive.org/31/items/SharedMap2/index.html Can you clarify this a bit? Have the archive.org people officially said, you're welcome to store as much data as you like and to download as much as you want? In case anyone is curious, I have a couple of non-OSM map apps which I serve from Amazon S3 EC2. On average, each user downloads in the order of 1 GB of map tiles. So this is affordable for any paid-for app - but it's unlikely to be viable for a free or ad-supported product. I would expect OSM-based apps to be similar. Regards, Phil. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
We asked for permission to host osm tiles and they gladly gave it ( internetarchive i...@archive.org, ) There are license restrictions creative commons and public domain you can see the hardware here. http://www.archive.org/web/petabox.php @frederik, I have not looked at the tiles in a while, maybe there is a bug in the js, but I have never had problems with files hosted there. Also if we are talking about hosting tiles for people to download, I think it is a great solution, that does not mean you have to host the tiles from osm.org on there for displaying. I am just saying there are options for hosting tiles out there. mike On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Phil Endecott spam_from_osm_t...@chezphil.org wrote: Hi Mike, Mike Dupont wrote: Hi, we have experimented with hosting the tiles on archive.org there are no size limits or bandwith limits, http://ia600606.us.archive.**org/31/items/SharedMap2/index.**htmlhttp://ia600606.us.archive.org/31/items/SharedMap2/index.html Can you clarify this a bit? Have the archive.org people officially said, you're welcome to store as much data as you like and to download as much as you want? In case anyone is curious, I have a couple of non-OSM map apps which I serve from Amazon S3 EC2. On average, each user downloads in the order of 1 GB of map tiles. So this is affordable for any paid-for app - but it's unlikely to be viable for a free or ad-supported product. I would expect OSM-based apps to be similar. Regards, Phil. __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
you can see a large number of tiles being hosted here, http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3ASharedMapsort=-publicdate John Smith has been working on this, he can tell you more about it. since I am writing to everyone, just want to let you know. we are working on the next edition of the sfk conference in prishtina on nov 12, you are all welcome to come. sfk11.eventbrite.com mike On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.comwrote: We asked for permission to host osm tiles and they gladly gave it ( internetarchive i...@archive.org, ) There are license restrictions creative commons and public domain you can see the hardware here. http://www.archive.org/web/petabox.php @frederik, I have not looked at the tiles in a while, maybe there is a bug in the js, but I have never had problems with files hosted there. Also if we are talking about hosting tiles for people to download, I think it is a great solution, that does not mean you have to host the tiles from osm.org on there for displaying. I am just saying there are options for hosting tiles out there. mike On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Phil Endecott spam_from_osm_t...@chezphil.org wrote: Hi Mike, Mike Dupont wrote: Hi, we have experimented with hosting the tiles on archive.org there are no size limits or bandwith limits, http://ia600606.us.archive.**org/31/items/SharedMap2/index.**htmlhttp://ia600606.us.archive.org/31/items/SharedMap2/index.html Can you clarify this a bit? Have the archive.org people officially said, you're welcome to store as much data as you like and to download as much as you want? In case anyone is curious, I have a couple of non-OSM map apps which I serve from Amazon S3 EC2. On average, each user downloads in the order of 1 GB of map tiles. So this is affordable for any paid-for app - but it's unlikely to be viable for a free or ad-supported product. I would expect OSM-based apps to be similar. Regards, Phil. __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
