Re: [OSM-talk-be] Landuse mapping: farmland vs meadow/grass

[Marc Gemis]

I would use landuse=meadow, which I believe is the standard way to map it.

Furthermore there are the tags:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dmeadow>
If it is known, indicate the process that protects the meadow status.

If the meadow is retained by environmental factors, add meadow=perpetual.
If the meadow is retained by cutting or using grazing, add meadow=agricultural.


taginfo also show a large number of meadow=pasture [1], which is
mentioned on the Riding page [2]. So for grazing I add meadow=pasture.
In case it is  cut by humans you could use agricultural. Or use
agricultural for both. I use pasture, as that was the one I found
first on the wiki.

Recently there was a discussion on landuse=grass / crop=grass for the
production of "grass" (not hay) on the tagging mailing list. It was
not meant for hay but for patches of ground with grass that could be
used to lay in gardens.


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[1] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/meadow#values
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Riding

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 7:03 PM, Julien Minet  wrote:
> I'm starting mapping landuse in the South of Belgium and I don't know the
> proper way to tag meadows/pastures, being grazed or hay meadows. In Ardenne,
> a large part of meadows are permanents: there are there for decades,
> especially for grazed meadows that can hardly be ploughed (because
> non-drained, presence of trees, etc.)
>
> On the other side, even old pastures can sometimes be ploughed and sowed
> with a cereal.
>
> So how to tag meadows in Belgium:
>
> landuse=farmland + crop=grass
> landuse=meadow
> landuse= grass?
>
> From this post in the osm forum
> (https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/366/should-pastures-be-marked-as-farm-or-grass),
> the first option seems the best, but I've seen a lot of landuse=meadow in
> Belgium
>
> Also, any tag for differentiate hay meadow and  grazed pasture?
>
>
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[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v3.1.0

[Paul Norman]

Dear all,

Today, v3.1.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet (the default
stylesheet on openstreetmap.org) has been released.

Changes include

- Added coffee shop rendering
- Added health clinic rendering
- Adjusted place label typography
- Road shield rendering improvements
- Internal code cleanups

Thanks to all the contributors for this release.

For a full list of commits, see
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/compare/v3.0.1...v3.1.0

As always, we welcome any bug reports at
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues.


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[OSM-talk] agri.openstreetmap.org not working

[Ross Scanlon]

All the imagery hosted on openstreetmap servers as listed here:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aerial_imagery#Imagery_hosted_on_OSM_servers

Except for the South African imagery.

Cheers
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[talk-au] agri.openstreetmap.org not working

[Ross Scanlon]

All the imagery hosted on openstreetmap servers as listed here:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aerial_imagery#Imagery_hosted_on_OSM_servers

Except for the South African imagery.

Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Untagged Nodes and Ways

[john whelan]

> It's true untagged ways don't render, trivial amount of disk space, and
they don't route. What they do is create work to fixed or remove them. At
one time in life I was a quality person with a goal of creating systems to
do it right the first time. My sense is that it isn't a new user problem,
but a systems problem. I've spend time now and them cleaning up stuff using
Frederik's OSMI tool. I'd really rather spend my time adding and improving
the map than fixing errors.

True enough but I've added a lot more buildings and highways in Africa for
a lot less effort by just adding tags to untagged ways.  Load up a country
dump into JOSM maybe cut it down first and just let JOSM validation and the
todo list plugin do their thing.

Cheerio John

On 28 January 2017 at 19:32, Clifford Snow  wrote:

>
> On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
>
>>
>> Also, let's be honest - untagged ways aren't a "problem" in any other
>> sense other than disk space.  They won't confuse renderers or routers.  If
>> there are too many in a given area they might confuse other mappers, but
>> these other mappers are perfectly free to delete them if they can't figure
>> out what they were supposed to be.
>
>
> It's true untagged ways don't render, trivial amount of disk space, and
> they don't route. What they do is create work to fixed or remove them. At
> one time in life I was a quality person with a goal of creating systems to
> do it right the first time. My sense is that it isn't a new user problem,
> but a systems problem. I've spend time now and them cleaning up stuff using
> Frederik's OSMI tool. I'd really rather spend my time adding and improving
> the map than fixing errors.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Untagged Nodes and Ways

[Clifford Snow]

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Andy Townsend  wrote:

>
> Also, let's be honest - untagged ways aren't a "problem" in any other
> sense other than disk space.  They won't confuse renderers or routers.  If
> there are too many in a given area they might confuse other mappers, but
> these other mappers are perfectly free to delete them if they can't figure
> out what they were supposed to be.


It's true untagged ways don't render, trivial amount of disk space, and
they don't route. What they do is create work to fixed or remove them. At
one time in life I was a quality person with a goal of creating systems to
do it right the first time. My sense is that it isn't a new user problem,
but a systems problem. I've spend time now and them cleaning up stuff using
Frederik's OSMI tool. I'd really rather spend my time adding and improving
the map than fixing errors.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Untagged Nodes and Ways

[john whelan]

The interesting thing is looking at Bing there seems to be no difference
between the areas marked off and the surrounding area.  I'm not sure they
are serving any useful purpose as we get updated imagery.

Thanks for the input.

Cheerio John

On 28 January 2017 at 19:28, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 29/01/2017 00:17, john whelan wrote:
>
> I'm wandering through Africa at the moment basically tagging untagged ways
> and area=yes.  I think I've corrected several thousand but something that
> I've just hit are boxes tagged hires=yes or no.
>
>
> Those I think are referring to where there was Bing high resolution
> imagery and where there wasn't.  I've never been convinced that things like
> that belong in OSM in the first place (though others may disagree) - you'll
> probably be able to find some previous list discussion if you go back far
> enough.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Untagged Nodes and Ways

[Andy Townsend]

On 29/01/2017 00:17, john whelan wrote:
I'm wandering through Africa at the moment basically tagging untagged 
ways and area=yes.  I think I've corrected several thousand but 
something that I've just hit are boxes tagged hires=yes or no.


Those I think are referring to where there was Bing high resolution 
imagery and where there wasn't.  I've never been convinced that things 
like that belong in OSM in the first place (though others may disagree) 
- you'll probably be able to find some previous list discussion if you 
go back far enough.


Cheers,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Untagged Nodes and Ways

[john whelan]

I'm wandering through Africa at the moment basically tagging untagged ways
and area=yes.  I think I've corrected several thousand but something that
I've just hit are boxes tagged hires=yes or no.

Most are more than a year old.  These I'm unsure what to do with them if
anything should they simply be deleted if more than a year old?

Thoughts?

Thanks John

On 28 January 2017 at 18:08, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 28/01/2017 22:55, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
>>
>> iD issue 3806 [2] requested that untagged ways would prevent the user
>> from uploading a changeset. Bryan thought it is fine for user to add an
>> untagged way for someone else to fix. I see his point that they may get
>> discouraged and not continue to contribute to OSM.
>>
>
> Turning that around, can you suggest a way of communicating the fact that
> this is a problem to the user using terms that they'd understand?  I'd find
> it difficult to do that.
>
> I fairly regularly talk to new mappers about untagged ways and "area=yes"
> ways (which are the more common example) and have the "if you want
> renderers and routers to know what something is, you need to do more than
> give it a name" conversation.  It'd be impossible to do that if they
> weren't allowed to upload in the first place.
>
> Also, let's be honest - untagged ways aren't a "problem" in any other
> sense other than disk space.  They won't confuse renderers or routers.  If
> there are too many in a given area they might confuse other mappers, but
> these other mappers are perfectly free to delete them if they can't figure
> out what they were supposed to be.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
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Re: [talk-au] New User Surge.

[Andrew Davidson]

You could start off by reading the good practice guidelines:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice

how things are tagged in Australia:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines

and if your interests are in mapping cycling infrastructure:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle



On 28/01/17 22:10, Cameron Shorter wrote:

Hi all,

Probably a good time to introduce myself.

I'm Cameron Shorter, a bicycle rider, and software developer (for
geospatial open source applications).

I live in Frenchs Forest, ride to the beaches and the city, and have
been adding in some connector paths that were not on OSM yet, (in
particular I'm hoping to improve data which drives OSM bicycle routing
engine).

I'd be happy to hear any advice on how I could improve my edits. Based
on feedback so far, I could probably do a better job of commenting my
edits.

Cheers, Cameron


On 27/01/2017 9:52 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:

Good news people. There seems to have been a surge in the number of
new mappers in Australia:

http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-suspicious?country=3=96=10==t=%3E=1000=c=n#5/-30.600/148.425


and they all seem to be *very* interested in making sure every park is
on the map. Rivers and meadows are quite popular too.

In other news:

https://mic.com/articles/166654/pokemon-go-hack-altering-openstreetmap-data-may-create-new-spawn-points-in-the-game



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Re: [Talk-us] reporting Pokemon Go related vandalism

[Nelson A. de Oliveira]

You may also take a look at http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/lzN
There are a lot of Pokemon spots there in USA

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Re: [OSM-talk] Untagged Nodes and Ways

[Andy Townsend]

On 28/01/2017 22:55, Clifford Snow wrote:


iD issue 3806 [2] requested that untagged ways would prevent the user 
from uploading a changeset. Bryan thought it is fine for user to add 
an untagged way for someone else to fix. I see his point that they may 
get discouraged and not continue to contribute to OSM.


Turning that around, can you suggest a way of communicating the fact 
that this is a problem to the user using terms that they'd understand?  
I'd find it difficult to do that.


I fairly regularly talk to new mappers about untagged ways and 
"area=yes" ways (which are the more common example) and have the "if you 
want renderers and routers to know what something is, you need to do 
more than give it a name" conversation.  It'd be impossible to do that 
if they weren't allowed to upload in the first place.


Also, let's be honest - untagged ways aren't a "problem" in any other 
sense other than disk space.  They won't confuse renderers or routers.  
If there are too many in a given area they might confuse other mappers, 
but these other mappers are perfectly free to delete them if they can't 
figure out what they were supposed to be.


Best Regards,

Andy


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[OSM-talk] Untagged Nodes and Ways

[Clifford Snow]

With the influx of new mappers in the last few days, I've notices a number
of untagged ways and footpaths not connect to nearby streets in their first
edits. Some background. I am attempting to welcome new mappers in my state.
Using new user data from the IRC #som-bot channel with their first edits in
my state, I review the edit for quality and send them a welcome message and
sometimes a changeset comment as well.

Thanks to Bryan Housel for implement a fix [1] for unconnected ways in iD.
JOSM already checks for unconnected ways.

Currently there are 3,587,257,541 nodes and 289,561 ways (not part of a
relation.)

I believe having both iD and JOSM prevent uploading of untagged ways and
nodes would be a positive step to improve quality. JOSM has by far the
largest number of untagged ways, 162,289. iD has 55,199.

iD issue 3806 [2] requested that untagged ways would prevent the user from
uploading a changeset. Bryan thought it is fine for user to add an untagged
way for someone else to fix. I see his point that they may get discouraged
and not continue to contribute to OSM.

I would be interested in hearing from you why we should ever allow untagged
ways to be uploaded.

Clifford

[1]  https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/3786
[2] https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/3806
[3] http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/

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Re: [Talk-it] Tag eterogenei su nodo

[Andrea Albani]

>
>
>
> Sarebbe interessante estrarre delle statistiche: quanti utilizzatori di
> Maps.Me diventano poi mappatori OSM (cioè mappatori che utilizzano anche
> altri editor).
>
>
Ciao,

ho fatto qualche query su un mio DB dove replico i metadati dei changeset
da planet . Questi i dati che ho trovato (aggiornati al primo pomeriggio di
oggi).

Gli utenti che hanno creato almeno un changeset tramite Maps.me sono
104.262.

Di questi 94.739 hanno usato solo l'app e i rimanenti 9.523 hanno almeno un
changeset fatto tramite altri tool.

I primi nella loro attività su OSM hanno creato 294.285 changeset (media
del pollo: 3 a testa), mentre i secondi 3.681.591.

Quindi vuoto per pieno circa un 10% degli utilizzatori di Maps.me sono
anche contributori in altro modo, anche se non è chiaro se hanno iniziato
su maps.me e poi sono passati a JOSM, iD, ... o viceversa.

Se qualcuno è interessato a fare qualche analisi qui [0] trovate i dati già
aggregati per user ID.

Ciao

[0]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16l2j2yLE1apgC3_Tj05eS0bY6zEa_AojT8vlP3kuOa0/edit?usp=sharing
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Re: [Talk-it] [dev-italia] Nuovo welcome tool

[Stefano]

Ciao a tutti,
abbiamo fatto altre migliorie, ad esempio Fabrizio ha aggiunto una colonna
con il numero di changeset che si aggiorna due volte al giorno per i primi
7 giorni, così dovrebbe dare una idea dell'attività dell'utente.

Anche se non si manda il benvenuto, magari si potrebbe scrivere se si è
interagito con l'utente o se lo si ha controllato, così la persona
successiva non controlla una seconda volta.

Ciao,
Stefano


Il giorno 25 gennaio 2017 11:29, Marco Minghini 
ha scritto:

>
>
>> Ho integrato la modifica di Lorenzo,
>> adesso appare la località anche nella tabella.
>>
>> Grazie, siete super :)
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] tags étranges

[Vincent de Château-Thierry]

Bonjour,

Le 28/01/2017 à 21:23, f.dos.san...@free.fr a écrit :

Bonjour,

Si tu remontes l'historique tu verras que c'est Marc qui a exploité les données 
de la communauté de communes de Concarneau Cornouaille il y a quelques années :
- 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_France/Donn%C3%A9es_de_la_Communaut%C3%A9_de_Communes_de_Concarneau_Cornouaille

Il pourra te donner plus d'explications quand il lira ces lignes, entre temps 
tu peux toujours lire la discussion :
- https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2010-December/029290.html


- Mail original -
De: "Julien Lepiller" 
À: talk-fr@openstreetmap.org
Envoyé: Samedi 28 Janvier 2017 21:05:19
Objet: [OSM-talk-fr] tags étranges

Bonjour,

je viens de trouver une voie :
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/98034782

Elle a des tags que je ne comprends pas, comme 4C:ID_TRON. Est-ce que
vous savez ce dont il s'agit ?


On ne ferait sûrement plus comme ça aujourd'hui si la question d'un 
import des mêmes données se posait. Attention, aucune critique ici, ça 
date de 2010 et on n'avait pas le même recul sur les imports, et surtout 
sur l'Open Data.
On garderait des attributs 4C:* au plus 1 seul tag, un identifiant 
unique issu de la 4C qui serait une clé pour permettre des liens, un 
suivi et une mise à jour. Et le tag serait plutôt "ref:FR:4C".
Concrètement aujourd'hui, il serait intéressant si quelqu'un a un 
contact à l'agglo de savoir si ces identifiants sont toujours 
d'actualité. Dans le cas contraire, supprimer les 4 tags ne me 
choquerait pas. Et dans tous les cas, 4C:TYPE_VOIE est sans intérêt.


vincent

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM then and now revived

[Warin]

It is 'nice' to see the progress of OSM.

Rather than a yearly thing .. every 7 years might be ok, there was a TV 
program on some children progressing into adulthood .. think that was 
done every 7 or so years too.


On 29-Jan-17 05:12 AM, François Lacombe wrote:

Hi Martin,

Thank you, great job :)


*François

*
2017-01-28 17:25 GMT+01:00 Maarten Deen >:


What would be really wonderful is a yearly layer so you can see
the history changing. Just like http://topotijdreis.nl/

Maarten

On 2017-01-28 16:08, joost schouppe wrote:

Any chance we'll see some middle version there too in the future?
(say, 2012. And than later, 1/1/20**)

You gave us a finger, let me grab your entire arm :)

2017-01-26 23:17 GMT+01:00 Martijn van Exel >:

Hi all,

I resuscitated the OSM then and now service, where you can
compare
OSM as it was in October 2007 with now.
The service is a bit slow because 2007 tiles above z10 are not
pre-rendered. This will improve as tiles get cached.
Here is the location of SOTM 2016 as an example:
http://mvexel.github.io/thenandnow/#15/50.8178/4.3971
 [1]

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM then and now revived

[Dave F]

It's great to see it back up & running.

As has been mentioned a time slider for intervening years would be nice.

Also, would it be possible to render it in the carto of the 
corresponding year to see the difference in appearance?


DaveF


On 26/01/2017 22:17, Martijn van Exel wrote:

Hi all,

I resuscitated the OSM then and now service, where you can compare OSM 
as it was in October 2007 with now.
The service is a bit slow because 2007 tiles above z10 are not 
pre-rendered. This will improve as tiles get cached.
Here is the location of SOTM 2016 as an example: 
http://mvexel.github.io/thenandnow/#15/50.8178/4.3971


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Re: [talk-au] New User Surge.

[Warin]

Welcome Cameron!
Anything you can do to improve the map is most welcome.

As far as comments go - 2 aspects to this ;
on the overall changeset - when you upload the data- Most like to see 
something descriptive ... I like to see some comment on the source of 
the information
on the individual added nodes/ways/relations - Adding the tag source= 
here - I like to do this ... some of my edits have multiple sources .. 
so I go overboard here and add the individual source tags.


The comments and sources are really to explain what your doing ..
 both to yourself and to other mappers ... if you come to look back at 
what you did a year ago they can be very helpful.
another 'explanation' tag is the note= tag .. the fixme= tag is for when 
you know something needs more work.




On 28-Jan-17 10:10 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

Hi all,

Probably a good time to introduce myself.

I'm Cameron Shorter, a bicycle rider, and software developer (for 
geospatial open source applications).


I live in Frenchs Forest, ride to the beaches and the city, and have 
been adding in some connector paths that were not on OSM yet, (in 
particular I'm hoping to improve data which drives OSM bicycle routing 
engine).


I'd be happy to hear any advice on how I could improve my edits. Based 
on feedback so far, I could probably do a better job of commenting my 
edits.


Cheers, Cameron


On 27/01/2017 9:52 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:
Good news people. There seems to have been a surge in the number of 
new mappers in Australia:


http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-suspicious?country=3=96=10==t=%3E=1000=c=n#5/-30.600/148.425 



and they all seem to be *very* interested in making sure every park 
is on the map. Rivers and meadows are quite popular too.


In other news:

https://mic.com/articles/166654/pokemon-go-hack-altering-openstreetmap-data-may-create-new-spawn-points-in-the-game 




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[Talk-cz] osmcz: aktivní vrstva na Leaflet 1.x

[Marián Kyral]

Tak jsem učinil další pokus, po dlouhém zkoumání, jak to všechno
dohromady funguje, jsem udělal dvě změny:
https://github.com/osmcz/osmcz/commit/11b2609c4c6a4ae372735cad7464a24fee3233d4

a aktuálně mi to vyhazuje chybu, kterou moc nechápu. Nejsem si jist, zda
mi ještě něco chybí změnit v té tileGeoJSON vrstvě, nebo je to bug v
Leafletu.



Pokud by si chtěl někdo taky hrát:
https://github.com/osmcz/osmcz/tree/leaflet_1.x

Díky za každou pomoc
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Re: [Talk-at] Öffentliche Verkehrsinformationen in der OSM-WIKI

[Markus Straub]

Servus Robin,

super, dass du aufgeräumt hast! Ich finde Wiki-Seiten mit einem 
Überblick über die Relationen zu einem Thema sehr wertvoll ([1] und[2]).


Die veraltete Liste mit Stationsaufzählungen [0] scheint mir wenig 
sinnvoll - ein Link auf die Wiener Linien-Seite wäre besser 
(http://www.wienerlinien.at/eportal3/ep/channelView.do/pageTypeId/66526/channelId/-46749).


Aber den ursprünglichen Ersteller vor einem etwaigen Löschen fragen fänd 
ich auch gut.


LG, Markus

On 2017-01-28 11:30, Friedrich Volkmann wrote:

On 28.01.2017 10:34, Robin Däneke wrote:

Die Listen auf [0] sind auch so nicht mehr
aktuell. Der 67er fährt nicht nach Oberlaa (und bald überhaupt nurmehr
zum
Reumannplatz)


Das ist ein Lichtblick, hoffentlich werden auch die Gleise und
zusätzlichen Ampeln abgebaut und die Fahrbahnkurven begradigt.


in der Bus-Liste fehlen alle, von Subunternehmern geführten
Linien... Ich frage mich, ob diese (eigentlich so falsche und nicht
benötigte Liste) sogar gelöscht werden sollte.


Die eine Liste, die du noch nicht gelöscht hast, ist von einem einzigen
User, also schreibst du den besser direkt an. Ansonsten würde ich sagen:
Wenn sich jemand die Arbeit gemacht hat, so eine Liste zu erstellen,
würde ich sie nicht löschen, sondern oben (z.B. mittels Ambox) oder auf
der Diskussionsseite anmerken, wo die Probleme liegen. Und dort, wo die
Liste verlinkt ist, kann man z.B. in Klammer schreiben: "(nicht mehr
aktuell)" oder ("Stand 2011")

Selbst wenn veraltete Listen keinen Wert für die Anwender mehr haben,
dann gewinnen sie doch immer mehr an historischem Wert.



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] ***SPAM*** tags étranges

[Christian Rogel]

Le 2017 Gen. 28 à 21:05, Julien Lepiller  a écrit :
> 
> Bonjour,
> 
> je viens de trouver une voie :
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/98034782
> 
> Elle a des tags que je ne comprends pas, comme 4C:ID_TRON. Est-ce que
> vous savez ce dont il s'agit ?


4 C était le petit nom de Communauté des communes de Concarneau Cornouaille, 
cela indique qu’il s’agit d’un identifiant créé par le SIG.
Comme le dit f.dos.santos, celui-ci a exporté dans OSM toute la voirie des 
communes concernées, il y a plusieurs années. Avec le concours, parfois à 
distance, de plusieurs mappeurs.
La 4 C a été remplacée sur le même périmètre par Concarneau Cornouille 
Agglomération (CCA).


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] tags étranges

[osm . sanspourriel]

À vue de nez et en fonction de la première version j'aurais dit 4C = 
Communauté de Communes de Concarneau Cornouaille ;-).


Je suppose que Marcussacapuces91 
 avait récupéré 
ces données via



   http://freeroute.fr/4c/4c.osm.php?x=16026=11406=15

comme le changeset l'indique.

Par contre le site ne semble pas disponible.


Le 28/01/2017 à 21:05, Julien Lepiller - o...@lepiller.eu a écrit :

Bonjour,

je viens de trouver une voie :
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/98034782

Elle a des tags que je ne comprends pas, comme 4C:ID_TRON. Est-ce que
vous savez ce dont il s'agit ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] tags étranges

[f . dos . santos]

Bonjour,

Si tu remontes l'historique tu verras que c'est Marc qui a exploité les données 
de la communauté de communes de Concarneau Cornouaille il y a quelques années :
- 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_France/Donn%C3%A9es_de_la_Communaut%C3%A9_de_Communes_de_Concarneau_Cornouaille

Il pourra te donner plus d'explications quand il lira ces lignes, entre temps 
tu peux toujours lire la discussion :
- https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2010-December/029290.html


- Mail original -
De: "Julien Lepiller" 
À: talk-fr@openstreetmap.org
Envoyé: Samedi 28 Janvier 2017 21:05:19
Objet: [OSM-talk-fr] tags étranges

Bonjour,

je viens de trouver une voie :
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/98034782

Elle a des tags que je ne comprends pas, comme 4C:ID_TRON. Est-ce que
vous savez ce dont il s'agit ?

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[OSM-talk-fr] tags étranges

[Julien Lepiller]

Bonjour,

je viens de trouver une voie :
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/98034782

Elle a des tags que je ne comprends pas, comme 4C:ID_TRON. Est-ce que
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Re: [Talk-it] Segnalo utente Kostik, non si capisce la sua mappatura.

[Fabrizio Tambussa]

Il 28/Gen/2017 15:24, "THESTORM375"  ha scritto:

visto che stiamo in tema.. come si fa a segnalare un utente o a mandare un
revert? io non lo so.. me lo potreste spiegare? mi potrebbe tornare utile
in caso vedo che un utente appunto fa modifiche strane ecc... grazie acora


Scrivi qui innanzitutto.
specifica nome utente e cosa ha fatto.

Saluti


Il giorno sab 28 gen 2017 alle ore 10:57 Volker Schmidt 
ha scritto:

> Ho guardato (scelta a caso) da vicino il gruppo di modifiche nel centro
> nord della schermata
> https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=45350757
> Ecco la mappa corrispondente:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/46422#map=18/42.73726/
> 13.76239=D
> Tutti gli oggetti cancellati da Kostik sono presenti sulla mappa come
> oggetti creati da rospus  con
> data antecedente la data di cancellazione e con id diversi.
> Sembra che Kostik abbia cancellato doppioni  di questo oggetti creati da
> rospus.
> O sbaglio?
>
>
> 2017-01-28 9:04 GMT+01:00 Fabrizio Tambussa :
>
> Scusate l'impaginazione, sono col cellulare.
> Utilizzando il servizio che ho implementato all'inizio del mese si vede
> che l'utente, negli ultimi 15 giorni, ha cancellato un bel po' di cose:
> Relation:
> http://osmit3.wmflabs.org/api/page_bdc_eraser.php?name=Kostik=R
>
> Way:
> http://osmit3.wmflabs.org/api/page_bdc_eraser.php?name=Kostik=W
>
> Nodi con tag:
> http://osmit3.wmflabs.org/api/page_bdc_eraser.php?name=Kostik=N
>
> In sostanza ha eliminato delle turn restriction e una relation di un
> sentiero, più 8 nodi taggati tutti con:
> foot=yes
> barrier=gate
> bicycle=yes
>
> Casomai foste curiosi o voleste usare il servizio, le spiegazioni sono qui:
> tp://osmit3.wmflabs.org/api/
>
> Saluti
>
> Sbiri
>
>
>
> Il 27/Gen/2017 23:33, "girarsi_liste"  ha
> scritto:
>
> Per caso oggi, controllando nella mia vallata se c'erano modifiche da
> parte di altri utenti, sono incappato in questo changeset[0], dove ho
> visto che questo utente russo, o via di lì, ha effettuato modifiche e
> cancellazioni, in questo caso in qualche punto del Veneto, in maniera
> arbitraria, guardando il suo profilo [1], rilevo parecchi changeset
> [2]strani e diffusi in tutta Europa occidentale, Francia in particolare,
> non so con che criterio, ma penso male.
>
> Non l'ho contattato perchè con l'inglese non me la cavo, e poi vedo che
> scrive solo russo o quel che lè.
>
> Ad ogni modo segnalo perchè a me pare rovinamuri.
>
>
> [0] http://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=45499857
>
> [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Kostik
>
> [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Kostik/history
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Re: [Talk-it] nome posto di polizia

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-01-25 20:38 GMT+01:00 Alecs :

> Sarei per la soluzione più semplice, del tipo
> name= Posto di polizia ferroviaria agente scelto Salvatore Farinaro
> operator=Polizia Ferroviaria
>


si, ma metterei anche gli altri tag che hanno senso, tipo amenity=police, e
forse anche un sottotipo per la polizia (in taginfo non ho trovato niente
di significativo, il più usato mi sembrava "police=*"
http://taginfo.osm.org/keys/police

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Re: [Talk-it] carta qualità acqua

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-01-27 9:09 GMT+01:00 Luca Delucchi :

> ci sono i dati dell'acqua
> in OSM?
>


probabilmente ci piacerebbe di meno ;-)

Ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] Pubblicazioni commerciali

[Dario Zontini]

La dicitura la poi mettere dove preferisci,  non è  obbligatorio in basso a
destra.

Si,  è un doppione. La licenza puoi metterla per esteso : *Creative Commons
Condividi allo stesso modo 2.0
*

oppure  come sigla: CC-BY-SA 2.0


Dario Zontini

Inviato da Samsung Mobile


Il 28 Gen 2017 6:35 PM, "Daniele"  ha scritto:

Se non ho capito male la dicitura da mettere in basso a destra (su
ogni mappa) stampando le mappe di OpenStreetMap
è questa:*Dati © OpenStreetMap – **Creative Commons Condividi allo
stesso modo 2.0 **
(CC-BY-SA)*

anche se:
Condividi allo stesso modo 2.0 
e
(CC-BY-SA)

non è un doppione
Ciao e Grazie
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM then and now revived

[François Lacombe]

Hi Martin,

Thank you, great job :)




*François*
2017-01-28 17:25 GMT+01:00 Maarten Deen :

> What would be really wonderful is a yearly layer so you can see the
> history changing. Just like http://topotijdreis.nl/
>
> Maarten
>
> On 2017-01-28 16:08, joost schouppe wrote:
>
>> Any chance we'll see some middle version there too in the future?
>> (say, 2012. And than later, 1/1/20**)
>>
>> You gave us a finger, let me grab your entire arm :)
>>
>> 2017-01-26 23:17 GMT+01:00 Martijn van Exel :
>>
>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I resuscitated the OSM then and now service, where you can compare
>>> OSM as it was in October 2007 with now.
>>> The service is a bit slow because 2007 tiles above z10 are not
>>> pre-rendered. This will improve as tiles get cached.
>>> Here is the location of SOTM 2016 as an example:
>>> http://mvexel.github.io/thenandnow/#15/50.8178/4.3971 [1]
>>>
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[OSM-talk-be] Landuse mapping: farmland vs meadow/grass

[Julien Minet]

I'm starting mapping landuse in the South of Belgium and I don't know the
proper way to tag meadows/pastures, being grazed or hay meadows. In
Ardenne, a large part of meadows are permanents: there are there for
decades, especially for grazed meadows that can hardly be ploughed (because
non-drained, presence of trees, etc.)

On the other side, even old pastures can sometimes be ploughed and sowed
with a cereal.

So how to tag meadows in Belgium:

   - landuse=farmland + crop=grass
   - landuse=meadow
   - landuse= grass?

>From this post in the osm forum (
https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/366/should-pastures-be-marked-as-farm-or-grass),
the first option seems the best, but I've seen a lot of landuse=meadow in
Belgium

Also, any tag for differentiate hay meadow and  grazed pasture?

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Re: [Talk-it] Segnalo un principiante

[Giuseppe Sapuppo]

On 28/01/2017 14:47, girarsi_liste wrote:

Il 28/01/2017 13:07, Giuseppe Sapuppo ha scritto:

...

C'è qualche volenteroso che può controllare se ho fatto danni?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DustyOnTheRoad

...

Sui building invece ho visto metti addr:city, e addr:street, in questo
caso non servono, perchè addr:city, di solito quando si fà ricerca è
implicito lo si faccia all'interno del confine del confine
amministrativo, vale anche per i livelli superori, addr:country, ecc..


Ho visto che su ogni tipologia di oggetto c'è una gran quantità di tag.
Quindi cerco di inserire almeno quelli di cui sono sicuro, imitando casi 
analoghi.
Mi sono sentito un po' in colpa per non aver inserito per pigrizia 
quelli di cui non ero sicuro.

Se sono superflui li ometto volentieri.


Addr:street, sull'intera way del building, meglio di no, ho visto ci
sono già i civici mappati come nodi, frutto di un'import penso, e sono
già sufficienti quelli, anche perchè spesso associati alla Via.


Se ho capito bene, ho messo l'indirizzo sull'intero profilo del fabbricato.
Non l'ho fatto apposta!
Cioè, a parte il fatto che è sconsigliato, si può mettere un nome 
diverso di strada su ciascun segmento?



Al di là del mappare l'entrata o dove si trova la targhetta, che apre
discussioni ancor oggi esistenti, penso tutti son concordi nel mappare i
civici su un nodo, e questo sul lato building associato alla Via,...


Cioè?
Ti riferisci ai civici 20H2 e 20H3 di via di San Bartolo a Cintoia?
Non era mia intenzione piazzarli sul profilo del fabbricato, ma l'editor 
li metteva lì e dopo vari tentativi ho rinunciato e li ho messi dove 
voleva lui.

Se sono fuori standard, mi impegno di più e li correggo.

Grazie.

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM then and now revived

[Maarten Deen]

What would be really wonderful is a yearly layer so you can see the 
history changing. Just like http://topotijdreis.nl/


Maarten

On 2017-01-28 16:08, joost schouppe wrote:

Any chance we'll see some middle version there too in the future?
(say, 2012. And than later, 1/1/20**)

You gave us a finger, let me grab your entire arm :)

2017-01-26 23:17 GMT+01:00 Martijn van Exel :


Hi all,

I resuscitated the OSM then and now service, where you can compare
OSM as it was in October 2007 with now.
The service is a bit slow because 2007 tiles above z10 are not
pre-rendered. This will improve as tiles get cached.
Here is the location of SOTM 2016 as an example:
http://mvexel.github.io/thenandnow/#15/50.8178/4.3971 [1]

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM then and now revived

[joost schouppe]

Any chance we'll see some middle version there too in the future? (say,
2012. And than later, 1/1/20**)

You gave us a finger, let me grab your entire arm :)

2017-01-26 23:17 GMT+01:00 Martijn van Exel :

> Hi all,
>
> I resuscitated the OSM then and now service, where you can compare OSM as
> it was in October 2007 with now.
> The service is a bit slow because 2007 tiles above z10 are not
> pre-rendered. This will improve as tiles get cached.
> Here is the location of SOTM 2016 as an example: http://mvexel.github.
> io/thenandnow/#15/50.8178/4.3971
>
> Martijn van Exel
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[Talk-GB] any cyclists familiar with Calder Aire link

[David Groom]

There seems a lot of duplication in these two route relations:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2171660

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1573805

Both are titled "Calder Aire link"



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Re: [Talk-it] Segnalo utente Kostik, non si capisce la sua mappatura.

[THESTORM375]

visto che stiamo in tema.. come si fa a segnalare un utente o a mandare un
revert? io non lo so.. me lo potreste spiegare? mi potrebbe tornare utile
in caso vedo che un utente appunto fa modifiche strane ecc... grazie acora


Il giorno sab 28 gen 2017 alle ore 10:57 Volker Schmidt 
ha scritto:

> Ho guardato (scelta a caso) da vicino il gruppo di modifiche nel centro
> nord della schermata
> https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=45350757
> Ecco la mappa corrispondente:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/46422#map=18/42.73726/13.76239=D
> Tutti gli oggetti cancellati da Kostik sono presenti sulla mappa come
> oggetti creati da rospus  con
> data antecedente la data di cancellazione e con id diversi.
> Sembra che Kostik abbia cancellato doppioni  di questo oggetti creati da
> rospus.
> O sbaglio?
>
>
> 2017-01-28 9:04 GMT+01:00 Fabrizio Tambussa :
>
> Scusate l'impaginazione, sono col cellulare.
> Utilizzando il servizio che ho implementato all'inizio del mese si vede
> che l'utente, negli ultimi 15 giorni, ha cancellato un bel po' di cose:
> Relation:
> http://osmit3.wmflabs.org/api/page_bdc_eraser.php?name=Kostik=R
>
> Way:
> http://osmit3.wmflabs.org/api/page_bdc_eraser.php?name=Kostik=W
>
> Nodi con tag:
> http://osmit3.wmflabs.org/api/page_bdc_eraser.php?name=Kostik=N
>
> In sostanza ha eliminato delle turn restriction e una relation di un
> sentiero, più 8 nodi taggati tutti con:
> foot=yes
> barrier=gate
> bicycle=yes
>
> Casomai foste curiosi o voleste usare il servizio, le spiegazioni sono qui:
> tp://osmit3.wmflabs.org/api/
>
> Saluti
>
> Sbiri
>
>
>
> Il 27/Gen/2017 23:33, "girarsi_liste"  ha
> scritto:
>
> Per caso oggi, controllando nella mia vallata se c'erano modifiche da
> parte di altri utenti, sono incappato in questo changeset[0], dove ho
> visto che questo utente russo, o via di lì, ha effettuato modifiche e
> cancellazioni, in questo caso in qualche punto del Veneto, in maniera
> arbitraria, guardando il suo profilo [1], rilevo parecchi changeset
> [2]strani e diffusi in tutta Europa occidentale, Francia in particolare,
> non so con che criterio, ma penso male.
>
> Non l'ho contattato perchè con l'inglese non me la cavo, e poi vedo che
> scrive solo russo o quel che lè.
>
> Ad ogni modo segnalo perchè a me pare rovinamuri.
>
>
> [0] http://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=45499857
>
> [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Kostik
>
> [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Kostik/history
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Re: [Talk-it] Segnalo un principiante

[girarsi_liste]

Il 28/01/2017 13:07, Giuseppe Sapuppo ha scritto:
> Prendo spunto dalla segnalazione del rovinamuri per segnalare ... me
> stesso.
> Sono arrivato da poco.
> Vi anticipo subito che non sono (adesso) in condizioni di fare il
> mappatore a tempo pieno.
> Sono un soccorritore volontario del 118 e uso spesso OSM per trovare
> rapidamente i numeri civici.
> Ho maturato la decisione di restituire il favore integrando le mappe
> quando incomplete e correggendo piccoli errori quando li rilevo.
> Ho passato molto tempo a studiare e adesso sono passato all'azione.
> 
> C'è qualche volenteroso che può controllare se ho fatto danni?
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DustyOnTheRoad
> 
> Grazie.
> 

Ciao benvenuto, sono pure io rovinamuri... :)

Anche se di qualche annetto ormai, ma a prendere il russo hai voglia :)


Ho dato un'occhiata ai changeset, sui nomi delle vie è opinabile, alcune
le avrei messe in minuscolo ma ripeto è opinabile.

Sui building invece ho visto metti addr:city, e addr:street, in questo
caso non servono, perchè addr:city, di solito quando si fà ricerca è
implicito lo si faccia all'interno del confine del confine
amministrativo, vale anche per i livelli superori, addr:country, ecc..

Addr:street, sull'intera way del building, meglio di no, ho visto ci
sono già i civici mappati come nodi, frutto di un'import penso, e sono
già sufficienti quelli, anche perchè spesso associati alla Via.

Al di là del mappare l'entrata o dove si trova la targhetta, che apre
discussioni ancor oggi esistenti, penso tutti son concordi nel mappare i
civici su un nodo, e questo sul lato building associato alla Via, anche
perchè se ci ragioni su, quando cerchi un indirizzo preciso con un
navigatore, metti di solito, nazione-->regione-->comune-->nome
Via/Strada/Località-->numero civico, quindi quando il navigatore cerca
in una mappa OSM (qui parliamo di quella...:) ), ricerca es., dentro i
confini Italia, Regione Trentino, Comune Dro, Via quel che lè, numero 8.



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[Talk-it] Segnalo un principiante

[Giuseppe Sapuppo]

Prendo spunto dalla segnalazione del rovinamuri per segnalare ... me stesso.
Sono arrivato da poco.
Vi anticipo subito che non sono (adesso) in condizioni di fare il 
mappatore a tempo pieno.
Sono un soccorritore volontario del 118 e uso spesso OSM per trovare 
rapidamente i numeri civici.
Ho maturato la decisione di restituire il favore integrando le mappe 
quando incomplete e correggendo piccoli errori quando li rilevo.

Ho passato molto tempo a studiare e adesso sono passato all'azione.

C'è qualche volenteroso che può controllare se ho fatto danni?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DustyOnTheRoad

Grazie.

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Re: [talk-au] New User Surge.

[Cameron Shorter]

Hi all,

Probably a good time to introduce myself.

I'm Cameron Shorter, a bicycle rider, and software developer (for 
geospatial open source applications).


I live in Frenchs Forest, ride to the beaches and the city, and have 
been adding in some connector paths that were not on OSM yet, (in 
particular I'm hoping to improve data which drives OSM bicycle routing 
engine).


I'd be happy to hear any advice on how I could improve my edits. Based 
on feedback so far, I could probably do a better job of commenting my edits.


Cheers, Cameron


On 27/01/2017 9:52 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:
Good news people. There seems to have been a surge in the number of 
new mappers in Australia:


http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-suspicious?country=3=96=10==t=%3E=1000=c=n#5/-30.600/148.425 



and they all seem to be *very* interested in making sure every park is 
on the map. Rivers and meadows are quite popular too.


In other news:

https://mic.com/articles/166654/pokemon-go-hack-altering-openstreetmap-data-may-create-new-spawn-points-in-the-game 




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Re: [Talk-it] Tag eterogenei su nodo

[Davide Sandona']

Finora mi è capitato solo 3-4 volte questa evenienza, però senza ombra di
dubbio il trend aumenterà con gli utenti Maps.me. Finora, ho eliminato il
nodo con i tag addr:* importati da me, e copiato i tag corretti sul nodo
creato dall'utente Maps.Me (correggendo eventualmente la posizione), in
modo da non vanificare il suo contributo nel remoto caso diventasse un
utente OSM.

Certo che è una procedura fastidiosa, però la vedo più sensata rispetto
alla separazione dei PDI dagli addr:*. In questo possiamo anche vedere un
lato positivo: coloro che si sono occupati dell'import di determinate aree
ed hanno procedure di controllo basate su RSS feed, riescono ad assicurare
una qualità della mappa migliore.

Sarebbe interessante estrarre delle statistiche: quanti utilizzatori di
Maps.Me diventano poi mappatori OSM (cioè mappatori che utilizzano anche
altri editor).

Davide.

Il giorno 28 gennaio 2017 11:42, Cascafico Giovanni 
ha scritto:

> Era uscito questo commento ad un incontro di mappatori FVG. Sembrerebbe un
> problema non tanto di niubbi, quanto di maps.me (che io non posso
> provare).
>
> La diffusione di editor semplificati ci é sembrato un problema, anche
> perché va ad intaccare un addr import che ci ha impegnato parecchio.
>
> Il 27/gen/2017 22:32, "girarsi_liste"  ha
> scritto:
>
>> Il 27/01/2017 18:13, Cascafico Giovanni ha scritto:
>> > In tempi di crisi i PDI commerciali sono piuttosto effimeri.
>> >
>> > Sulla coesistenza sullo stesso nodo di PDI e addr:*
>> >
>> > Sarebbe auspicabile fossero separati, in quanto alcuni editor non
>> > chiariscono all'utente che sta cancellando un PDI che esistono tag addr
>> > associati; questi potrebbe essere ingiustamente cancellati.
>> >
>>
>> Detta come l'hai scritta, tanto vale fare un nodo per ogni tag, così si
>> è sicuri che il niubbo è niubbo e tale rimane. :)
>>
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Re: [Talk-it] Tag eterogenei su nodo

[Federico Cortese]

2017-01-28 11:42 GMT+01:00 Cascafico Giovanni :
> Era uscito questo commento ad un incontro di mappatori FVG. Sembrerebbe un
> problema non tanto di niubbi, quanto di maps.me (che io non posso provare).
>
> La diffusione di editor semplificati ci é sembrato un problema, anche perché
> va ad intaccare un addr import che ci ha impegnato parecchio.
>

Il problema che hai segnalato esiste e, pur se in misura molto minore,
può capitare anche a mappatori più esperti per semplice distrazione.
Nonostante questo però credo che non sia opportuno separare il poi
dell'attività commerciale dal poi del civico, a meno di casi
specifici.
Mi sembra ottimo invece il suggerimento di Davide di introdurre
un'ulteriore verifica con avvertimento, per i software e le app di
modifica.

Ciao
Federico

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[Cascafico Giovanni]

Era uscito questo commento ad un incontro di mappatori FVG. Sembrerebbe un
problema non tanto di niubbi, quanto di maps.me (che io non posso provare).

La diffusione di editor semplificati ci é sembrato un problema, anche
perché va ad intaccare un addr import che ci ha impegnato parecchio.

Il 27/gen/2017 22:32, "girarsi_liste"  ha scritto:

> Il 27/01/2017 18:13, Cascafico Giovanni ha scritto:
> > In tempi di crisi i PDI commerciali sono piuttosto effimeri.
> >
> > Sulla coesistenza sullo stesso nodo di PDI e addr:*
> >
> > Sarebbe auspicabile fossero separati, in quanto alcuni editor non
> > chiariscono all'utente che sta cancellando un PDI che esistono tag addr
> > associati; questi potrebbe essere ingiustamente cancellati.
> >
>
> Detta come l'hai scritta, tanto vale fare un nodo per ogni tag, così si
> è sicuri che il niubbo è niubbo e tale rimane. :)
>
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Re: [Talk-at] Öffentliche Verkehrsinformationen in der OSM-WIKI

[Friedrich Volkmann]

On 28.01.2017 10:34, Robin Däneke wrote:

Die Listen auf [0] sind auch so nicht mehr
aktuell. Der 67er fährt nicht nach Oberlaa (und bald überhaupt nurmehr zum
Reumannplatz)


Das ist ein Lichtblick, hoffentlich werden auch die Gleise und zusätzlichen 
Ampeln abgebaut und die Fahrbahnkurven begradigt.



in der Bus-Liste fehlen alle, von Subunternehmern geführten
Linien... Ich frage mich, ob diese (eigentlich so falsche und nicht
benötigte Liste) sogar gelöscht werden sollte.


Die eine Liste, die du noch nicht gelöscht hast, ist von einem einzigen 
User, also schreibst du den besser direkt an. Ansonsten würde ich sagen: 
Wenn sich jemand die Arbeit gemacht hat, so eine Liste zu erstellen, würde 
ich sie nicht löschen, sondern oben (z.B. mittels Ambox) oder auf der 
Diskussionsseite anmerken, wo die Probleme liegen. Und dort, wo die Liste 
verlinkt ist, kann man z.B. in Klammer schreiben: "(nicht mehr aktuell)" 
oder ("Stand 2011")


Selbst wenn veraltete Listen keinen Wert für die Anwender mehr haben, dann 
gewinnen sie doch immer mehr an historischem Wert.


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Re: [Talk-it] Segnalo utente Kostik, non si capisce la sua mappatura.

[Volker Schmidt]

Ho guardato (scelta a caso) da vicino il gruppo di modifiche nel centro
nord della schermata
https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=45350757
Ecco la mappa corrispondente:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/46422#map=18/42.73726/13.76239=D
Tutti gli oggetti cancellati da Kostik sono presenti sulla mappa come
oggetti creati da rospus  con
data antecedente la data di cancellazione e con id diversi.
Sembra che Kostik abbia cancellato doppioni  di questo oggetti creati da
rospus.
O sbaglio?


2017-01-28 9:04 GMT+01:00 Fabrizio Tambussa :

> Scusate l'impaginazione, sono col cellulare.
> Utilizzando il servizio che ho implementato all'inizio del mese si vede
> che l'utente, negli ultimi 15 giorni, ha cancellato un bel po' di cose:
> Relation:
> http://osmit3.wmflabs.org/api/page_bdc_eraser.php?name=Kostik=R
>
> Way:
> http://osmit3.wmflabs.org/api/page_bdc_eraser.php?name=Kostik=W
>
> Nodi con tag:
> http://osmit3.wmflabs.org/api/page_bdc_eraser.php?name=Kostik=N
>
> In sostanza ha eliminato delle turn restriction e una relation di un
> sentiero, più 8 nodi taggati tutti con:
> foot=yes
> barrier=gate
> bicycle=yes
>
> Casomai foste curiosi o voleste usare il servizio, le spiegazioni sono qui:
> tp://osmit3.wmflabs.org/api/
>
> Saluti
>
> Sbiri
>
>
>
> Il 27/Gen/2017 23:33, "girarsi_liste"  ha
> scritto:
>
> Per caso oggi, controllando nella mia vallata se c'erano modifiche da
> parte di altri utenti, sono incappato in questo changeset[0], dove ho
> visto che questo utente russo, o via di lì, ha effettuato modifiche e
> cancellazioni, in questo caso in qualche punto del Veneto, in maniera
> arbitraria, guardando il suo profilo [1], rilevo parecchi changeset
> [2]strani e diffusi in tutta Europa occidentale, Francia in particolare,
> non so con che criterio, ma penso male.
>
> Non l'ho contattato perchè con l'inglese non me la cavo, e poi vedo che
> scrive solo russo o quel che lè.
>
> Ad ogni modo segnalo perchè a me pare rovinamuri.
>
>
> [0] http://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=45499857
>
> [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Kostik
>
> [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Kostik/history
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Re: [Talk-it] Segnalo utente Kostik, non si capisce la sua mappatura.

[Fabrizio Tambussa]

Il 28 gennaio 2017 10:14, girarsi_liste  ha scritto:

> Mi permetto un OT per segnalarti, che gli esempi della pagina per
> costruire il report, sono fuorvianti (ci ho messo un pò a capirlo),
> hanno tutti il doppio http, il che rende un pò difficile l'esecuzione
> dello script.

Grazie, li ho corretti.
Errora da copia e incolla.
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Re: [talk-au] How to tag swimming pontoons

[Andrew Davidson]

On 28/01/17 10:43, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:

consist of a floating boom suspending an underwater net, surrounding the
designated area.


Turns out I can't read  If it's got a net then I guess it's barrier=net.

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[Talk-at] Öffentliche Verkehrsinformationen in der OSM-WIKI

[Robin Däneke]

 Hallo allesamt,


Heute habe ich mich ein wenig auf der OSM-Wiki auf den Seiten zur Wiener 
Coverage umgesehen, und dabei bemerkt, dass es hier zumindest auf 2 Seiten [0] 
& [1] doch veraltete Daten gibt. Die Listen der Bus und Straßenbahnlinien [1] 
(für die es eine andere Seite gibt) hab ich mir erlaubt zu entfernen und auf 
[2] zu verweisen (diese Seite warte ich zumindest ein paar mal im Jahr). Die 
Listen auf [0] sind auch so nicht mehr aktuell. Der 67er fährt nicht nach 
Oberlaa (und bald überhaupt nurmehr zum Reumannplatz) in der Bus-Liste fehlen 
alle, von Subunternehmern geführten Linien... Ich frage mich, ob diese 
(eigentlich so falsche und nicht benötigte Liste) sogar gelöscht werden sollte. 
Wollte aber, bevor ich irgendwas in der Wiki zur Löschung vorschlage hier mal 
nachfragen, ob die ursprünglichen Ersteller oder Bearbeiter der Seiten [0] und 
[1] eventuell einer anderen Meinung sind. Sollen die Daten weiter gewartet 
werden?


MfG

RobinD (emergency99)

[0]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wien/Öffis
[1]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vienna_OSM_Coverage
[2]: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vienna_Public_Transport
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Re: [Talk-it] Segnalo utente Kostik, non si capisce la sua mappatura.

[girarsi_liste]

Il 28/01/2017 09:04, Fabrizio Tambussa ha scritto:
> Scusate l'impaginazione, sono col cellulare.
> Utilizzando il servizio che ho implementato all'inizio del mese si vede che
> l'utente, negli ultimi 15 giorni, ha cancellato un bel po' di cose:

Mi permetto un OT per segnalarti, che gli esempi della pagina per
costruire il report, sono fuorvianti (ci ho messo un pò a capirlo),
hanno tutti il doppio http, il che rende un pò difficile l'esecuzione
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Re: [talk-au] How to tag swimming pontoons

[Andrew Davidson]

Is there something underneath eg: a net?

One suggestion is barrier=boom (there's 30 of these):

https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/37418/tag-line-of-floating-buoys-near-weir-or-dam

other people have used barrier=net (423 of these) or barrier=shark_net 
(6 of these).


On 28/01/17 10:43, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:

Continuing on with swimming areas, we've got a few on the GC that
consist of a floating boom suspending an underwater net, surrounding the
designated area. One of them then has a swimming raft in it:

http://www.goldcoastkids.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/beaches-the-broadwater-blog-header.jpg

In OSM, the boom's are currently marked as fences:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=18/-27.96790/153.41779, which
doesn't really seem right?

I can see reference in the wiki to an oil-boom, which is a floating boom
to contain oil spills, but not really appropriate.

Don't know if they'd be a pontoon either, because you can't really climb
up on it.

Any thoughts?

Graeme



Thanks

Graeme
_

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0407 754321

On 27 January 2017 at 06:23, Max Bainrot > wrote:

The swimming raft describes it exactly

man_made=pontoon was my first thought but wasn't sure (was checking
on a mobile device on the bus) so I'll use that.

With tagging the ladder, the pontoons can rotate a fair bit so how
sensitive is the position of something like a ladder?

Swimming area is also something I plan on marking as these swimming
areas do have buoys on like a cable around the perimeter marking the
boundary.

Thank you to everyone for their input so far, the help is very much
appreciated.


On 26 Jan. 2017 21:14, "Andrew Davidson" > wrote:

On 25/01/17 22:05, Andrew Harvey wrote:


As for the pontoon, per
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpier
 "The
man_made=pier tag is used for a raised walkway over water
supported by
pillars made of metal/wood, or floating and secured using
chains",
plus floating=yes


It would depend on whether we are talking about a floating jetty:

http://www.letsonslanding.com/images/IMG_4212dock_wide.jpg


or what our American friends would call a swimming raft:

http://manitoulincedar.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/swim-raft-2013.jpg



The first one is a pier but the second one isn't.

It seems that there are two ways to tag a swimming raft. The
first is from OpenSeaMap seamark:type=pontoon

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:seamark:type%3Dpontoon


There's 36 of these. The other is man_made=pontoon (There's 87
of these).


On 26/01/17 10:25, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> Would you then mark the inside of the pontoon as a swimming pool?
>
> Could you mark a swimming pool in the middle of a lake?
>

Maybe swimming_area

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dswimming_area
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Re: [Talk-it] Segnalo utente Kostik, non si capisce la sua mappatura.

[girarsi_liste]

Il 28/01/2017 00:06, Volker Schmidt ha scritto:
> Qualcuno ha controllato se commette errori di mapping (oltre a utilizzare
> sempre lo stesso commento nei changeset "мелкие правки ошибок" ovvero "bug
> minori modifiche").
> Non penso che lui sia un principiante con 23,629 changeset.
> 

Nel primo changeset da me segnalato, nel Veneto, ha sostituito una
rotonda da highway=unclassified a residential, alcune track mi pare ha
modificato la geometria, ha cancellato alcuni nodi e via dicendo.

Nei 2 o 3 changeset che h guardato, la maggior parte sono cancellazioni
di tag oppure modifiche di geometria, mi pare di lieve entità la
modifica, forse appena il movimento di un nodo, perchè mi pare su questo
si concentri.



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[Talk-se] Hack For Sweden 2017

[Hernan.De-Angelis]

Hej OSM hackare!

Jag vil uppmärksamma er om att anmälan till årets Hack For Sweden är 
fortfarande öppen. Hack for Sweden är en tävling och ett unikt samarbete mellan 
27 statliga myndigheter och organisationer. Utmaningen för deltagarna är att 
använda myndigheternas öppna data i nya applikationer och tjänster som skapar 
nya affärer och ökad nytta.

Utmärkelsen Hack for Sweden Award går till det lag eller den deltagare som bäst 
kombinerar data på ett kreativt sätt och skapar den bästa och mest nyskapande 
lösningen eller konceptet som tydligt visar nyttan med myndigheternas öppna 
data. Förutom Hack for Sweden Award delas specialpriser ut inom fyra 
kategorier: Bästa visualisering/dataanalys, Bästa nytta för allmänheten, Bästa 
IoT-lösning samt Deltagarnas pris.

Tänk på att en stor del av data som myndigheterna erbjuder är geodata med öppna 
licenser som kan vara kompatibla med användning i OSM, som t.ex. 
Naturvårdsverkets data, som tillgängliggörs enligt CC-0. Det kan också vara en 
mycket roligt och utvecklande tillfälle att träffas och utveckla. Välkomna att 
registrera er!


När: 11 - 12 mars 2017

Var: Kista Nod, Borgarfjordsgatan 12, Kista i Stockholm

Hur: Läs mer om regler och anmälan på hackforsweden.se

Anmälan: Senast den 19 februari 2017.


Hack för Sweden finns också i Facebook (facebook.com/hack4sweden) och Twitter 
(@hackforsweden).



Hälsningar


Hernán De Angelis

Naturvårdsverket
Miljöanalysavdelningen
Miljöinformationsenheten

Valhallavägen 195
106 48 Stockholm
www.naturvardsverket.se

Tänk på miljön innan du skriver ut det här mejlet
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Re: [Talk-it] Segnalo utente Kostik, non si capisce la sua mappatura.

[Fabrizio Tambussa]

Scusate l'impaginazione, sono col cellulare.
Utilizzando il servizio che ho implementato all'inizio del mese si vede che
l'utente, negli ultimi 15 giorni, ha cancellato un bel po' di cose:
Relation:
http://osmit3.wmflabs.org/api/page_bdc_eraser.php?name=Kostik=R

Way:
http://osmit3.wmflabs.org/api/page_bdc_eraser.php?name=Kostik=W

Nodi con tag:
http://osmit3.wmflabs.org/api/page_bdc_eraser.php?name=Kostik=N

In sostanza ha eliminato delle turn restriction e una relation di un
sentiero, più 8 nodi taggati tutti con:
foot=yes
barrier=gate
bicycle=yes

Casomai foste curiosi o voleste usare il servizio, le spiegazioni sono qui:
tp://osmit3.wmflabs.org/api/

Saluti

Sbiri



Il 27/Gen/2017 23:33, "girarsi_liste"  ha scritto:

Per caso oggi, controllando nella mia vallata se c'erano modifiche da
parte di altri utenti, sono incappato in questo changeset[0], dove ho
visto che questo utente russo, o via di lì, ha effettuato modifiche e
cancellazioni, in questo caso in qualche punto del Veneto, in maniera
arbitraria, guardando il suo profilo [1], rilevo parecchi changeset
[2]strani e diffusi in tutta Europa occidentale, Francia in particolare,
non so con che criterio, ma penso male.

Non l'ho contattato perchè con l'inglese non me la cavo, e poi vedo che
scrive solo russo o quel che lè.

Ad ogni modo segnalo perchè a me pare rovinamuri.


[0] http://nrenner.github.io/achavi/?changeset=45499857

[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Kostik

[2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Kostik/history


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