Re: [talk-au] So, should we request an Oceania Community Channel?

[Sam Wilson]

I think a category on the forum is a good idea. It's easier to keep 
track of older discussions there.


On 11/10/22 19:15, Dian Ågesson wrote:


Hello,


For those that aren't aware, there is currently a big push to move 
discussions from the mailing list/old forum onto the new community 
site. https://community.openstreetmap.org/


As part of the new site, we have the ability to request a new category 
or subcategory to be created specifically for Oceania. 
(https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/about-the-new-category-requests-category/1001)


Is this something that would be useful? Would people use the category, 
or would it be left to the wayside like the previous Australia 
category on the forum?


Thoughts?

Dian


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[talk-au] Perth cycle paths

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Revisiting a discussion from February about the cycle paths in Perth:

https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/need-to-reinstate-deleted-pbn-bicycle-routes-perth-western-australia/1873


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Re: [talk-au] New OSM Discourse site: community.osm.org

[Sam Wilson]

We need to specify who will be category moderators, in the new-category 
proposal.


Who would like to be? Come to think of it, who are the mailing list admins?


On 3/5/22 07:49, Andrew Davidson wrote:

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 9:31 AM Sam Wilson  wrote:

And it sounds like there is a plan to at some point enable new posts via
email, and when that time comes we will need a category (so it can have
its own email address). Maybe we should go ahead and request an
Australia category now?

Sounds like a good idea.


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Re: [talk-au] New OSM Discourse site: community.osm.org

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On 3/5/22 05:50, Andy Townsend wrote:

On 02/05/2022 22:36, Andrew Davidson wrote:


How do we get a category we can interact with through email? I 
haven't used Discource enough to picture how it works.


If you enable mailing list mode in your profile, you will get emailed 
all messages and can reply to them by email too.  What you can't yet 
do is to create a new thread by email - to do that you'll need to go 
to e.g. https://community.openstreetmap.org/c/help-and-support/7 and 
click "new topic".




And it sounds like there is a plan to at some point enable new posts via 
email, and when that time comes we will need a category (so it can have 
its own email address). Maybe we should go ahead and request an 
Australia category now?




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Re: [talk-au] New OSM Discourse site: community.osm.org

[Sam Wilson]

It's growing in use, I think (not with Australia-specific discussion).

It feels like a pretty good site, I check the headlines most days, and I 
think one advantage is being able to get a feel for what's being 
discussed elsewhere. Also to have location-specific discussions that 
benefit either from the input of people elsewhere or to let other people 
know how one place is doing things.


I don't like the notification system that much, but part of that is I 
think that the ratio of meta posts to real topical ones is quite large 
at the moment. It is decreasing though, as more people take part.


—Sam


On 1/5/22 06:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:

So how's it going after this first month?

Any marked advantages / disadvantages over the existing mailing list?

Thanks

Graeme


On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 at 12:52, Sam Wilson  wrote:

The new community.openstreetmap.org
<https://community.openstreetmap.org> site is up and running.

It's going to replace the old forum, including the users:
Australia <https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=24>
subforum.

I'm not sure if we should ask for an Australia category to be
created on the new site. Probably not worth it until there's some
amount of content relating to Australia.


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[talk-au] Perth mapping meetup May 1st

[Sam Wilson]

Another Perth OSM meetup this weekend, this time in Mt Lawley and 
Highgate: https://osmcal.org/event/1326/




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Re: [talk-au] JOSM multipolygon how-to?

[Sam Wilson]

This might not be of use, but if you're trying to add a multipolygon for 
a building with a hole in it then in JOSM it's really easy:


1. Use the building tool to create multiple rectangles over the
   building, including any courtyard.
2. Select all the building rectangles, with the courtyard one last (or
   at least, not first).
3. Press shift-J to join them all together. It magically makes the
   required relation.

Docs at https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Action/JoinAreas

—Sam


On 31/3/22 11:15, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
Does anybody know of a simple, straight-forward, how-to for creating 
multipolygons using JOSM?


If possible, I'd prefer a document rather than video, but beggars 
can't be choosers!


I've already found a couple, but they either don't explain how-to, or 
I get different results when I do what they say?


That "could" be because I'm using JOSM for Windows? (Have to as no 
Java on my laptop!)


Thanks

Graeme

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[talk-au] New OSM Discourse site: community.osm.org

[Sam Wilson]

The new community.openstreetmap.org 
 site is up and running.


It's going to replace the old forum, including the users: Australia 
 subforum.


I'm not sure if we should ask for an Australia category to be created on 
the new site. Probably not worth it until there's some amount of content 
relating to Australia.


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Re: [talk-au] Meetup in Perth, Sunday March 20th

[Sam Wilson]

Yes, we'll do our best to resolve notes! Although, we might end up 
creating some too… :-)


Looks like there's 8 people signed up so far.


On 11/3/22 09:45, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:

Sounds like fun!

& if you're in the area ... :-)

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/-31.9291/115.8241=N 
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/-31.9291/115.8241=N>


Thanks

Graeme


On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 at 18:35, Sam Wilson  wrote:

We're having another meetup next weekend:
https://osmcal.org/event/1211/

OSGeo Oceania are providing morning tea (via a microgrant). :-)

—Sam



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We're having another meetup next weekend: https://osmcal.org/event/1211/

OSGeo Oceania are providing morning tea (via a microgrant). :-)

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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[Sam Wilson]

I think it depends on when you last updated OsmAnd! It sounds like 
perhaps you're not seeing the routes that have been deleted, because 
they're for the most part not the river or freeway ones, but rather a 
somewhat regularly-spaced network throughout the suburbs.


The other thing that occurs to me about this discussion is that aaronsta 
is not actually subscribed to this list — does anyone know? I might 
leave a comment on the changeset instead...



On 13/2/22 03:31, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:

Hi

I am looking at the map as if a cyclist visitor to Perth. I am using 
Osmand with the bike routes highlighted feature turned on. I presume 
the highlighted routes are the same ones that are being talked about. 
I can't be sure. The highlights look useful and I would use them. They 
pick out the paths on either side of the river and the ramps onto 
bridges. Routes that I would naturally gravitate towards. I can easily 
turn off the highlights. I definitely want these routes, assuming the 
highlights are the same thing as being discussed  here.


Tony


I'm also a Perth cyclist, and I think I pretty much agree with what
others have said. These routes should stay on the map if they're
signposted on the ground, but other than that I think they're often not
particularly great routes. I must admit that the cyclemap render now
(since the removal of these routes) actually looks a lot more like my
intuitive idea of what cycling looks like in Perth — i.e. there are
some good purpose-made paths along the freeways, and other than that
there's not much. With the official routes, it always looked like there
was this amazing cross-cutting network of cycleways, and actually
that's not really the case.

—Sam


On 11/2/22 13:44, ianst...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 01:11:54 +1000
From: 
To: 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Message-ID: <045901d81e90$8c77e060$a567a120$@thorsten.engler.id.au>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"

Well, he has answered a changeset comment:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873

I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to 
simply

delete

a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the

ground,

and what to do about it.

I am from Perth, and am a cyclist.  I agree with aaronsta that these 
routes
are pretty useless.  I have often looked at the signage and wondered 
about
OSM & the usefulness of the routes.  I might not have gone to the 
extent of

deleting them, but it is probably the right thing to do (they are
pretty-much obsolete and I doubt if anyone uses them)

Ian


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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[Sam Wilson]

I went for a cycle along SW8 this afternoon, and I now think that at 
least that route (and the others if they're similar) should be kept in 
OSM. It's not signposted wonderfully, and there are a few places where 
following the signs wasn't possible, but there were definitely quite a 
lot of signs — including some new ones that have been put up since 
recent roadworks in various places.


The state Department of Transport still publish the bike maps 
<https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/active-transport/at_CYC_map_PerthFremantle-Stirling.pdf> 
(although I can't find an index to them on their site; they're 
discoverable with a search 
<https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/public/SearchTransport.asp?=bike%20map=0> 
though).


Here are some examples of the signs (I took a few more photos 
<https://samwilson.id.au/T2006> too):


Image of the file attached to this post.

Image of the file attached to this post.


On 11/2/22 16:16, Sam Wilson wrote:
I'm also a Perth cyclist, and I think I pretty much agree with what 
others have said. These routes should stay on the map if they're 
signposted on the ground, but other than that I think they're often 
not particularly great routes. I must admit that the cyclemap render 
now (since the removal of these routes) actually looks a lot more like 
my intuitive idea of what cycling looks like in Perth — i.e. there are 
some good purpose-made paths along the freeways, and other than that 
there's not much. With the official routes, it always looked like 
there was this amazing cross-cutting network of cycleways, and 
actually that's not really the case.


—Sam


On 11/2/22 13:44, ianst...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 01:11:54 +1000
From: 
To: 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Message-ID: <045901d81e90$8c77e060$a567a120$@thorsten.engler.id.au>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"

Well, he has answered a changeset comment:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873

I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to 
simply

delete

a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the

ground,

and what to do about it.

I am from Perth, and am a cyclist.  I agree with aaronsta that these 
routes
are pretty useless.  I have often looked at the signage and wondered 
about
OSM & the usefulness of the routes.  I might not have gone to the 
extent of

deleting them, but it is probably the right thing to do (they are
pretty-much obsolete and I doubt if anyone uses them)

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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[Sam Wilson]

I'm also a Perth cyclist, and I think I pretty much agree with what 
others have said. These routes should stay on the map if they're 
signposted on the ground, but other than that I think they're often not 
particularly great routes. I must admit that the cyclemap render now 
(since the removal of these routes) actually looks a lot more like my 
intuitive idea of what cycling looks like in Perth — i.e. there are some 
good purpose-made paths along the freeways, and other than that there's 
not much. With the official routes, it always looked like there was this 
amazing cross-cutting network of cycleways, and actually that's not 
really the case.


—Sam


On 11/2/22 13:44, ianst...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 01:11:54 +1000
From: 
To: 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
Message-ID: <045901d81e90$8c77e060$a567a120$@thorsten.engler.id.au>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="UTF-8"

Well, he has answered a changeset comment:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873

I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply

delete

a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the

ground,

and what to do about it.


I am from Perth, and am a cyclist.  I agree with aaronsta that these routes
are pretty useless.  I have often looked at the signage and wondered about
OSM & the usefulness of the routes.  I might not have gone to the extent of
deleting them, but it is probably the right thing to do (they are
pretty-much obsolete and I doubt if anyone uses them)

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[talk-au] Perth mapping meetup

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If anyone's in Perth next Sunday (30th January) and feels like meeting up for 
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Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?

[Sam Wilson]

Thanks everyone, this is interesting.

There's not much activity on the Australia forum 
<https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=24> these days, but I 
notice that there's a possibility of a new thing, using Discourse: 
https://community.openstreetmap.org/latest 
<https://community.openstreetmap.org/latest> (it's said it's coming soon 
for quite a while now...).



On 14/1/22 1:55 pm, Dean Scott wrote:


Hi all,

In reply to previous messages regarding the OSM Discord Server, I can 
just clarify some further details:


1) Conversations stay there forever unless the specific channel is 
removed or messages deleted by admin. And conversations in a "thread" 
are archived but still easily accessible to read those messages.


2) The Discord server is kinda like the “official” server but not 
listed anywhere if being official. The only thing that makes it acting 
like the main server is because it is partnered with discord showing 
it is a verified and is the largest server related to the topic (being 
OSM)


If you have any questions regarding the Discord server in particular 
the #oceania channel, I can answer those questions for you if requested


Regards
Dean Scott
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Scottie0001 
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Scottie0001>




*From:*Phil Wyatt 
*Sent:* Friday, January 14, 2022 1:03:56 PM
*To:* 'Graeme Fitzpatrick' ; 'Sam Wilson' 
; 'OSM-Au' 

*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?

Hi Folks,

The discord channel is a bit more chatty but I am not sure if old 
conversations are archived. It’s a great place to get tagging advice 
etc and its also a good place to get information from an international 
perspective. I would still use the mailing list for anything specific 
to Australia.


There is also an informal OSGEO Oceania Slack channel which may be of 
interest to some folks (less OSM and more regional focus). You can 
join here - 
https://maptimeoceania.slack.com/join/shared_invite/enQtNDU3MTU3ODkyMjU2LThiMWU4MjZjNjM0ZWRiMWZlNWE2OTZjYjM0ZTMzZDEwMzc5MTAzN2Q2MzMyZDMzYTMwNjc5NGIxYjY4MDRiMjM#/shared-invite/email 
<https://maptimeoceania.slack.com/join/shared_invite/enQtNDU3MTU3ODkyMjU2LThiMWU4MjZjNjM0ZWRiMWZlNWE2OTZjYjM0ZTMzZDEwMzc5MTAzN2Q2MzMyZDMzYTMwNjc5NGIxYjY4MDRiMjM#/shared-invite/email>


Cheers - Phil

*From:*Graeme Fitzpatrick 
*Sent:* Friday, 14 January 2022 11:50 AM
*To:* Sam Wilson ; OSM-Au 
*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?


On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 10:31, Sam Wilson <mailto:s...@samwilson.id.au>> wrote:


And mainly I'm just wondering: how much Australia-related
discussion is happening elsewhere other than this list?

I'm curious about that as well?

Thanks

Graeme

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Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?

[Sam Wilson]

Ah that makes sense, thanks! It's let me in now.

On 14/1/22 8:38 am, Luke Stewart wrote:

Hi Sam,

The channel by default is locked unless you select the oceania role in 
the #rules-and-roles channel near the top of the list. Once you select 
that you should be able to view and participate.


Cheers,
Luke

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 11:31, Sam Wilson <mailto:s...@samwilson.id.au>> wrote:


The recent posts about bus stops have included a bunch of links to
an OSM Discord server <https://discord.gg/openstreetmap>, but I'm
a bit confused because it seems that there's a (locked?) channel
called #oceania, which it seems to not want to let me see. (I'm
not really a very active Discord user so sorry if I'm missing
something obvious).

And mainly I'm just wondering: how much Australia-related
discussion is happening elsewhere other than this list?

—Sam

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[Sam Wilson]

The recent posts about bus stops have included a bunch of links to an 
OSM Discord server , but I'm a bit 
confused because it seems that there's a (locked?) channel called 
#oceania, which it seems to not want to let me see. (I'm not really a 
very active Discord user so sorry if I'm missing something obvious).


And mainly I'm just wondering: how much Australia-related discussion is 
happening elsewhere other than this list?


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Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] INVITATION: 2021 Local Chapters and Communities Congress

[Sam Wilson]

That'd be cool!

I like the idea of being able to see only newbies in my local area, so 
would say per-state would be good. That's a fair bit of set-up though 
(each needs to have a polygon defined).


This reminded me that I've got a newbies' feed in my feed reader, e.g. 
this is for the south-west of WA:


http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmfeed.php?lon=116.6390991=-33.4226037=1 



On 4/11/21 9:13 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
I just saw reference to the Welcome tool & was going to mention it for 
discussion:


https://welcome.osm.be/ 

Would probably be a handy thing to set up, but what would be best?

All of Australia / each State / all of Oceania / each country?

Thanks

Graeme


On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 at 08:44, Edoardo Neerhut > wrote:


This is a great one for our region to be involved in. Pretty late
time zone wise for anyone east of Perth, Australia, but I wanted
to get it on your radar regardless.

-- Forwarded message -
From: *Arnalie Vicario* mailto:afsvica...@gmail.com>>
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 at 07:25
Subject: [OSM-talk] INVITATION: 2021 Local Chapters and
Communities Congress
To: osm mailto:t...@openstreetmap.org>>,
mailto:talk...@openstreetmap.org>>,
diversity-talk mailto:diversity-t...@openstreetmap.org>>, mailto:h...@openstreetmap.org>>


Hello everyone,

We invite you to the *2021 OpenStreetMap Local Chapters and
Communities Congress this Saturday, 6 November at 12:00 UTC* (see
link for local time

)!

We’ll have an Around the World session (updates from different
local chapters and communities), presentation about the new
Welcome Tool, and have breakout sessions with topics such as
becoming a local chapter, OSM in Government, OSMF Microgrants,
community building and many more!

You can find more information and the registration link here:

*http://tinyurl.com/OSM-LCCC21 *

See you there!


warm regards,
Arnalie
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[talk-au] FOSS4G SotM Oceania 2021 conference

[Sam Wilson]

Hi everyone,

The annual FOSS4G SotM Oceania  conference is 
coming up in three weeks, and I (in Perth) seem to have put my hand up 
to give a little presentation about OSM and am also helping to run an 
OSM editing workshop on the day after the conference. The former is 
going to be a general intro to OSM (aimed at people with some spatial 
background but not necessarily all that much) and the latter will be a 
day of hands-on editing and getting out and about ground-truthing 
(mainly on the UWA campus in Crawley).


So this email is just to advertise the conference, and to invite anyone 
in Perth to come to either the conference day, and/or the workshop — and 
if anyone wants to help run the workshop, even better! I'm not sure yet 
how many people are coming, but it's always good to have more people 
around who know OSM. People will have to register for the workshop, but 
it's free (the conference day costs money though).


And if anyone has any suggestions for any of this, I'm all ears! :-)

— Sam.

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Re: [talk-au] Basic question

[Sam Wilson]

Yes, good point. And equally, it'd be unlikely for natural=wood and 
natural=scrub to overlap.


On 8/10/21 8:36 am, Adam Horan wrote:
That's probably a good rule of thumb, although with the addition of 
same type and 'level'.


Admin boundaries overlap and nest all the time, but you wouldn't 
normally expect two of the same type and level to overlap.

LGA within State within Country etc

On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 11:31, Sam Wilson <mailto:s...@samwilson.id.au>> wrote:


My understanding is that areas should not overlap only where they
are of a similar type. Areas of natural=wood and
boundary=national_park aren't similar and so it's fine for them to
overlap.

On 8/10/21 6:25 am, Adam Horan via Talk-au wrote:

"Where something like the boundaries of a State Park and a
forested area are not the same."

I'd say that this is common and expected, and should be handled
with separate areas.

I feel it's very much the old style of mapping to put
'natural=wood' on a park admin boundary.

Adam


On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 08:38, mailto:fors...@ozonline.com.au>> wrote:

Hi
If you were told this by changeset comment, can you give the URL?
Tony

> Hi everyone
> I am a basic OSM editor. I usually just correct obvious map
errors I find
> while hiking/cycling. I have tried to be a little more
ambitious every now
> and then, but I have found it can be quite difficult to
keep other editors
> happy with what I do.
>
> My question is: Can you have overlapping 'areas'? I was
told by someone in
> this group that you can't.
>
> For example; Where something like the boundaries of a State
Park and a
> forested area are not the same. This is the issue where I
was told that you
> can't do that.
> This makes no logical sense to me as this happens all the time.
>
> I would appreciate some guidance on this issue.
> Kind regards
> Andrew Parker
>





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Re: [talk-au] Basic question

[Sam Wilson]

My understanding is that areas should not overlap only where they are of 
a similar type. Areas of natural=wood and boundary=national_park aren't 
similar and so it's fine for them to overlap.


On 8/10/21 6:25 am, Adam Horan via Talk-au wrote:
"Where something like the boundaries of a State Park and a forested 
area are not the same."


I'd say that this is common and expected, and should be handled with 
separate areas.


I feel it's very much the old style of mapping to put 'natural=wood' 
on a park admin boundary.


Adam


On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 08:38, > wrote:


Hi
If you were told this by changeset comment, can you give the URL?
Tony

> Hi everyone
> I am a basic OSM editor. I usually just correct obvious map
errors I find
> while hiking/cycling. I have tried to be a little more ambitious
every now
> and then, but I have found it can be quite difficult to keep
other editors
> happy with what I do.
>
> My question is: Can you have overlapping 'areas'? I was told by
someone in
> this group that you can't.
>
> For example; Where something like the boundaries of a State Park
and a
> forested area are not the same. This is the issue where I was
told that you
> can't do that.
> This makes no logical sense to me as this happens all the time.
>
> I would appreciate some guidance on this issue.
> Kind regards
> Andrew Parker
>





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Re: [talk-au] FYI Public Records VIC - Map Warper

[Sam Wilson]

MapWarper is most terrific.

Another instance that might be of use to OSMers is the Wikimedia one, 
 which allows warping of any map uploaded 
to Wikimedia Commons (i.e. has to be public domain or open licensed, so 
not 100% compatible with OSM). I've done a few. The resulting data can 
also be uploaded to OHM .



On 7/9/21 3:02 pm, Adam Horan wrote:

"what is it actually doing?"

You use it to correct/align old maps to modern maps. This enables 
browsing and overlays of old maps onto modern eg 
https://mapwarper.prov.vic.gov.au/maps/10890#Preview_Rectified_Map_tab 

There's a WMS layer produced that can be shown in JOSM and others, see 
https://mapwarper.prov.vic.gov.au/maps/10890#Export_tab 
 . I've no 
idea on the legals/copyright involved in utilising the information on 
these maps in OSM (even if data was still relevant all these years later)




On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 15:36, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Interesting, but what is it actually doing?https://warper.wmflabs.org/

Is that "correcting" the original maps to align with OSM?

I'm afraid to say that they have a lot to learn about explanatory
videos, or was it only me that was silent, & kept dropping in &
out of focus!

Thanks

Graeme


On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 14:59, Adam Horan mailto:aho...@gmail.com>> wrote:

As a group of people interested in Australia, Maps,
crowdsourcing and open data, I'm going to assume you'll also
be interested in Map Warper. It's an online tool allowing
alignment and rectification of old (any really) maps to
reality. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapWarper


I've been playing with the version hosted for Public Records
Office Vic at https://mapwarper.prov.vic.gov.au/

There's 12091 old maps and plans on the site, some have been
rectified, and some await rectification.

I've been finding looking at these old maps absolutely
fascinating. You can see which roads have moved or not, towns
that were planned to be much larger and have shrunk, roads
that have returned to tracks, or disappeared, original
(Aboriginal sounding) place names that have been retained or
lost. You can also appreciate the skill and accuracy of the
surveyors of 100+ years ago, there are coastlines and rivers
mapped in more detail here than in OSM.

Usability is a bit average, but the content is interesting.

Regards,

Adam
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Re: [talk-au] New Bing imagery?

[Sam Wilson]

I'm not sure what the best way is, but the imagery on bing.com/maps 
<https://www.bing.com/maps> appears to be the same as what's available 
in the WMS service, so it's probably quicker to check there than to fire 
up an editor. I found an edge of the high-res stuff in Dandenong South 
(would link to it but Bing maps appears not to allow permalinks). Maybe 
they publish the bounds somewhere? Maybe they're going to do more? Dunno.


On 6/9/21 6:34 am, Stéphane Guillou wrote:


Still hasn't reached us, in my part of Meanjin/Brisbane at least.


Nowadays, what is the best way to track:

- How old the imagery is?

- Where the latest update is available?

- Zoom level availability?


Cheers

On 2/9/21 9:08 am, Adam Horan wrote:

I can't see it in the suburbs of Melbourne yet. :(

However they are now marking National Parks clearly in the normal map 
mode (not that it helps us), and they seem to have a new detailed 
terrain model.
The hill shading on some sand quarries near me is much more detailed 
and accurate than I recall seeing before: eg 
https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=88fab0f8-d07a-4f80-b6ca-d951776333be=-38.130694~145.185322=16=2=2=S00027 
<https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=88fab0f8-d07a-4f80-b6ca-d951776333be=-38.130694~145.185322=16=2=2=S00027>




On Thu, 2 Sept 2021 at 03:01, <mailto:osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au>> wrote:


Yes there is. Has also shown up in NSW and Qld.

We were discussing that today in #oceania on the OSM Discord.

-Original Message-
From: Sam Wilson mailto:s...@samwilson.id.au>>
Sent: Wednesday, 1 September 2021 22:25
To: OSM-Au mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>>
Subject: [talk-au] New Bing imagery?

For Perth at any rate, it seems that there is new Bing imagery
available,
taken this year. I might be a bit slow off the mark, but this
makes tracing
buildings far far better! I'm sure it was crappier last week.


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[talk-au] New Bing imagery?

[Sam Wilson]

For Perth at any rate, it seems that there is new Bing imagery 
available, taken this year. I might be a bit slow off the mark, but this 
makes tracing buildings far far better! I'm sure it was crappier last week.



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Re: [talk-au] Sidewalks in Australia

[Sam Wilson]

I normally do separate ways, because it's easier to more accurately map 
the topology.


I just pretend I'm pushing a wheelbarrow (or stroller or am using a 
wheelchair) and wonder what sort of connectivity and data I'd want to be 
able to navigate. For instance, it might be possible as you say for lots 
of people to cross a road from pavement to pavement anywhere along the 
road, but that's not true of everyone. Instead, I think we should map 
the crossings (highway=footway and footway=crossing), even better with 
tactile paving, curb ramp info, etc. — and that's harder when the 
pavements are included in the road's way (as sidewalk tags).


But yeah, it's patchy and there doesn't seem to be much of a standard! :-)

On 10/8/21 10:55 am, Tom Brennan wrote:
I've been using the current lockdown to walk and cycle all of the 
streets of my LGA (Willoughby), and I've been checking back to OSM to 
see if there's anything needing updating. For the most part it's just 
minor edits here and there.


I had a couple of questions, one of which I'll address in this email:

highway=footway, footway=sidewalk or highway=*, sidewalk=*

Is there a view for Australia as to which method of mapping sidewalks 
(yes, I'm using the US term because it's unambiguous here) should be 
used? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sidewalks


At the moment there are a lot of separately mapped sidewalks in the 
Willoughby LGA, but it's patchy at best. There are streets with 
sidewalks mapped next to other unmapped streets, there are lots of 
connectivity issues, sidewalks end unexpectedly. I don't intend to put 
too much effort into cleaning it up, but where I do make changes, I'd 
prefer to make things better rather than worse!


Hence my asking.

I'm not much of a fan of separately mapped sidewalks, because there 
tend to be an infinite number of places you can walk/cross etc, and 
any mapping fails to capture this. But I'm not too concerned with 
opening a debate if it's already been prosecuted! Just with what the 
Australian "standard" is.


cheers
Tom

Canyoning? try http://ozultimate.com/canyoning
Bushwalking? try http://bushwalkingnsw.com

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Re: [talk-au] Funding for OpenStreetMap initiatives

[Sam Wilson]

I've also had conversations like that, and have rarely managed to 
convince people that I'm not peculiar. I remember one bloke found it 
more believable that I was collecting photos of power poles than that I 
was contributing to a map!


OSM UK has high-viz surveyor vests 
, or 
rather instructions for how to get a work-wear company to make such a 
thing on order. I wonder if we could do something similar here?


But yeah, I agree that a 'official' OSM Oceania leaflet or lanyard or 
something would be great. I mean, I realise I could just print such a 
thing, but there's something better about it having some sort of 
community standing.


—Sam.


On 13/7/21 11:33 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:

Bit of an out-there idea that I've had a couple of times.

Occasionally, when doing an on-street survey in populated areas, I've 
thought that the sight of some random stranger walking the street 
making notes about the buildings that he's passing & checking out must 
look a bit suspicious! :-)


Once, when I was writing down shop names in a shopping centre, I've 
even been asked what I was doing, & explained that I was gathering 
details to improve local maps.


It would be "nice" if we could walk around with a photo ID, emblazoned 
OSM Oceania (or maybe Australia / NZ / Fiji etc etc?) dangling around 
our necks, as it would look a lot more "professional" & "official".


At the same time, also have some brochures produced explaining what 
OSM is about, what we do & how everybody can contribute, & pass them 
out to anybody interested.


Worthwhile?

Thanks

Graeme


On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 13:03, Brendan Barnes > wrote:


Suggestions:

Loanable equipment such as high-precision handheld GPS units for
GPS traces, and Waylens or 360 degree cameras for KartaView image
sequences. Similar to the equipment loan program in Europe
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GPS_Units_for_Loan


Hardware for a loanable KartaView rig project, such as a
"trekking-style" backpack for OSM hikers, or a HD multi-camera,
high-precision GPS car rig.

Funding to help secure more OSM hardware hosting sponsors in the
region. Currently we only have two Tile Servers, and they are both
located in Melbourne, Australia.

Drone mapping infrastructure, such as a community Open Drone Map
cloud server, to process orthorectified aerial imagery.


On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 at 17:32, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-au
mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>> wrote:


9 Jul 2021, 03:06 by eneer...@gmail.com
:

  * Funding for OSM related software development

What about projects that are not
targeting specifically Oceania needs but
as useful elsewhere?

Is it going to be lower priority, with
Oceania-focused project having a clear
preference?

Or is it not useful to even propose them?
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Re: [talk-au] Abbreviations in bus stop names (Was Re: Mapping Transport for NSW transit stop numbers)

[Sam Wilson]

I'm not sure it applies everywhere, but one reason to keep the original 
abbreviations is that some transit apps aren't smart enough to search 
for the unabbreviated names. For example, on the Transperth app (but 
not, it seems, their website ) 
searching for "hampton road" gives one result of "Hampton Road, Perth" 
whereas searching for "hampton rd" gives lots of results that are actual 
bus stop names.


That said, I actually don't often map these names because they're not 
written on the signs in Perth. The stop ref numbers are more verifiable 
and can be typed into the app without too much trouble (I usually look 
up a bus stop on OsmAnd and then copy its ref to the transit app).


On 14/11/20 6:12 am, cleary wrote:

When I have added bus stop names in the past, using signposts or local knowledge, I have avoided abbreviations as I have understood that to be usual OSM practice. I am 
familiar with abbreviations so I am comfortable with them, especially "St" instead of "Street" and "Dr" instead of "Drive".   
Both methods convey the necessary information to users so I have no strong view.   My particular request is to avoid capitalising words other than street or place names 
so that "Opp" would be "opposite" or "opp" and "After" would be "after" without capital letter. I don't think these 
intermediary words are usually capitalised and it was this unfamiliar capitalisation that jarred with me as I read the names of the bus stops.  Whichever way it is done, 
this data will be a welcome addition to OSM. Thanks.




On Fri, 13 Nov 2020, at 4:17 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:

On 10/11/2020 9:08 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:

There was some work going on at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW_Data_Imports which I don't
think made it to the list. So this is the perfect opportunity to raise
it on the list and if there are any concerns or discussions for that
import, let's work that out here.

What are people's views on abbreviations in bus stop names?

When I was working on bus stops in Canberra I converted names such as:

River St Opp Morpeth St
Yamba Dr 2nd After Wisdom St

to

River Street Opposite Morpeth Street
Yamba Drive Second After Wisdom Street

Is it worthwhile doing this for the TfNSW data or are people happy if
the abbreviated versions get imported?


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[talk-au] Perth mapping party 2020-11-21

[Sam Wilson]

Hi all,

As part of FOSS4G SotM Oceania 2020, we're going to hold a mapping party 
in Perth on Saturday November 21st.


https://2020.foss4g-oceania.org/hubs/perth/#osm_mapping_party

At the conference the day before I'm going to give a little lightning 
talk about how to edit OSM (just a general thing, aimed at people who 
might have a small inkling of what OSM is), and hopefully we'll get a 
bunch of people to come along on the Saturday.


The idea is to hand out printed Field Papers and tips for what to map in 
the morning, have everyone head out for a couple of hours of 
exploring/photographing/etc, and then spend the afternoon learning JOSM 
and iD and getting the data into OSM. (And I know, mapping the CBD of 
Perth isn't probably the most brilliant as far as interest goes, but 
there's enough missing and out of date data, and it's close to the Riff 
coworking space where we've been given a free venue.)


If any Perth mappers want to come along that'd be great! And if anyone 
else has any ideas for how to make it a good mapping party (I've not 
organised one before), please share!


Thanks,
Sam.


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Re: [talk-au] Men's Shed?

[Sam Wilson]

I think it'd take all three keys, if a item needs the further 
clarification of man/woman (although my local is pretty inclusive I 
think, so it's not absolute).


Also, if anyone's in the mood for cataloguing men's sheds, there aren't 
many in Wikidata yet: https://w.wiki/9bA


:-)

On 7/10/19 3:07 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:


On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 16:25, Ewen Hill <mailto:ewen.h...@gmail.com>> wrote:


 Exceddingly happy with community.shed as proposed

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019, 5:15 PM Sam Wilson mailto:s...@samwilson.id.au>> wrote:

I think |amenity=community_centre| makes sense, and I think
there’s enough in Australia to warrant a specific
|community_centre=mens_shed| (or maybe |community_shed|, which
Wikipedia suggests as the generic term).

Yes, that has a lot going for it!

Still as community_centre=community_shed?

Or maybe community_shed=man/woman?

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 16:35, Jonathon Rossi <mailto:j...@jonorossi.com>> wrote:



I think shed (sometimes) describes the building not that they do.
How about community_centre=workshop?


No, they're not always located in a "shed", but as that's a pivotal 
part of the name, I think we should keep reference to it?


Thanks

Graeme

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Re: [talk-au] Men's Shed?

[Sam Wilson]

I think |amenity=community_centre| makes sense, and I think there’s 
enough in Australia to warrant a specific |community_centre=mens_shed| 
(or maybe |community_shed|, which Wikipedia suggests as the generic term).


On 7/10/19 1:57 pm, Warin wrote:


On 07/10/19 16:52, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:

Thanks fella's - thought I remembered seeing some mention of them!


With only 2 expressing an opinion I am reluctant to put it on the wiki 
guide.


What do you think Graeme? Anyone else?


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Re: [talk-au] What data is useful - request for ideas

[Sam Wilson]

On 5/8/19 7:44 AM, Phil Wyatt wrote:
One thing that is useful in small towns is a cruise around the main and back 
streets with a camera at 90 degrees (I shoot over the road from the 
drivers side) to capture shop fronts etc. This can be useful for 
business points - the local butcher, hardware shop, addresses etc.


I second this. It's great to have side-on imagery in lots of places. I 
guess the main trick is to ensure you're going slow enough that things 
aren't blurry.


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Re: [talk-au] User Diaries Spam

[Sam Wilson]

Here's some other recent info:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/alexkemp/diary/172800


On 5/7/19 11:18 AM, Sebastian Spiess wrote:

Every now and then I have a look at User Diaries.
Today I am on page 26 https://www.openstreetmap.org/diary?page=26 and 
still only SPAM.


I guess this was already noted but I could not find anything on mailing 
list talk.


Who and how is this managed?

Cheers,
Seb
PS: its not an new issue: 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-September/070792.html


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Re: [talk-au] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of old-style Wikipedia links in Australia

[Sam Wilson]

If you're ever in Perth I'm keen for a meetup! We have a fortnightly 
Geogeeks evening in the city, which isn't only OSM but covers similar 
ground.


The main current reason I'm adding Wikidata IDs is that they're what the 
Wikimedia map tools use to show geometry on Wikipedia articles. For example:


https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4850399
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kings_Park,_Western_Australia

On 3/18/19 9:45 AM, Sebastian Spiess wrote:
I'd like to hear more about wikidata and how it is used. Maybe during a 
meet up...


Am 2019-03-18 12:40, schrieb Sam Wilson:

Sounds good, especially as we're not the guineapig location. :)

I've given up adding wikipedia tags of any style, and now just add 
wikidata.


On 3/18/19 3:52 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:

Old style wikipedia link is one where language is stored in key, not in
value.

For example "wikipedia:en=Australia" is an old style link, while
"wikipedia=en:Australia" is a form that is currently standard.

Many old-style Wikipedia links remain and updating them to new style
manually is boring, tedious and some mistakes may appear during this.

Some OSM elements have old-style Wikipedia link without new tag what
means that this data is harder to process for editors and data
consumers.

Also, remaining old-style Wikipedia tags confuse mappers, especially
less experienced.

Therefore I propose to run an automatic edit that will replace
old-style Wikipedia links with current style of Wikipedia links.

Please comment no matter what you think about this idea! I will not
make the edit without a clear support so please comment if you think
that it is a good idea and if you think that it should not be done.

Number of affected objects should be relatively small -
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/H5x reports just 200 elements.

Plan is as follows:

I will take full responsibility for all edits and if anything goes
wrong I will fix it.

Editing is limited to objects with old-style Wikipedia tags is not
conflicting with existing wikipedia=* or wikidata=* tag or other
old-style wikipedia tags.

Links detected as invalid (leading to disambigs, articles about humans,
animals, plants, events etc) are also skipped.

Each changeset contains a single element or group of close elements to
avoid edits spanning across large areas (it is impossible in cases
where edited object itself spans very large area).

After every changeset bot sleeps for one minute.

This is proposed as reoccurring edit and may be made as soon as new
old-style wikipedia links appear.

documentation page on OSM Wiki is at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny_-_bot_account/elimination_of_old-style_Wikipedia_links_in_Australia 



I have experience with automatic edits. exactly the same task was run
in Poland to remove more than 6000 old-style Wikipedia links what was
completed without any issues.

I recently processed also old-style Wikipedia tags across USA.


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Re: [talk-au] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of old-style Wikipedia links in Australia

[Sam Wilson]

Sounds good, especially as we're not the guineapig location. :)

I've given up adding wikipedia tags of any style, and now just add wikidata.

On 3/18/19 3:52 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:

Old style wikipedia link is one where language is stored in key, not in
value.

For example "wikipedia:en=Australia" is an old style link, while
"wikipedia=en:Australia" is a form that is currently standard.

Many old-style Wikipedia links remain and updating them to new style
manually is boring, tedious and some mistakes may appear during this.

Some OSM elements have old-style Wikipedia link without new tag what
means that this data is harder to process for editors and data
consumers.

Also, remaining old-style Wikipedia tags confuse mappers, especially
less experienced.

Therefore I propose to run an automatic edit that will replace
old-style Wikipedia links with current style of Wikipedia links.

Please comment no matter what you think about this idea! I will not
make the edit without a clear support so please comment if you think
that it is a good idea and if you think that it should not be done.

Number of affected objects should be relatively small -
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/H5x reports just 200 elements.

Plan is as follows:

I will take full responsibility for all edits and if anything goes
wrong I will fix it.

Editing is limited to objects with old-style Wikipedia tags is not
conflicting with existing wikipedia=* or wikidata=* tag or other
old-style wikipedia tags.

Links detected as invalid (leading to disambigs, articles about humans,
animals, plants, events etc) are also skipped.

Each changeset contains a single element or group of close elements to
avoid edits spanning across large areas (it is impossible in cases
where edited object itself spans very large area).

After every changeset bot sleeps for one minute.

This is proposed as reoccurring edit and may be made as soon as new
old-style wikipedia links appear.

documentation page on OSM Wiki is at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny_-_bot_account/elimination_of_old-style_Wikipedia_links_in_Australia

I have experience with automatic edits. exactly the same task was run
in Poland to remove more than 6000 old-style Wikipedia links what was
completed without any issues.

I recently processed also old-style Wikipedia tags across USA.


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Re: [talk-au] Naming Bus Stops for interchanges in Sydney

[Sam Wilson]

On 1/21/19 4:58 PM, Warin wrote:
I have used (misused?) the ref to tag the routes that use that bus stop, 
then some one has put the stop 'number' in as local_ref.
Possibly the stop number is a 'operator_ref' ... whatever, no practical 
use to the normal person.


I actually find the ref super useful, because with the Transperth app in 
WA you can search by stop ID and it's quicker and a lot more accurate 
than searching by street name etc. They're displayed in OSMAnd, and 
that's usually where I get them from.


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Re: [talk-au] Naming Bus Stops for interchanges in Sydney

[Sam Wilson]

I agree, putting the stand name first makes sense.

I've been putting ref=1234 tags on stands (with their ID from the sign), 
but for some reason haven't ever thought to add the name as well; I 
shall do so from now on.


On 1/21/19 4:26 PM, Michael Collinson wrote:
In Sweden, I have seen the "F" going into the ref tag. Just a thought, I 
don't recall how it affects rendering in common schemes. Con: Clash with 
a more rigorous ref num giving by the transport authority, "40459" or 
such. Another (complementary) practice is to put just "F" as the name - 
which has the secondary benefit of being more likely to render out in a 
crowded space. The other detail perhaps being better suited to the 
corresponding bus_station node/area/relation.


Else, +1 from me, the proposal seems useful to me as a smart refinement 
of local practice.


Mike

On 2019-01-22 10:26, Warin wrote:

Are there anydissenters?
I'll give it a week.
Any feed back from other places In Australia?
On 21/01/19 20:00, cleary wrote:

As a regular user of public transport, I agree.


On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Warin wrote:

Hi,


At present the names of bus stops goes something like

name=Strathfield Station, Albert Rd (Stand F).


The web transport trip planers direct you to Stand F, yet this is not
very visiblein OSM renderings as that information is last.


Would it not be best to have the name put the more detailed information
first and the generalproximity information last, much like an address?

Such as

name=Stand F, Albert Rd, Strathfield Station


Thoughts?





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Re: [talk-au] Got an email from Royal Geographical Society of QLD about Boundaries

[Sam Wilson]

On 21/06/18 14:13, Warin wrote:

Yes to OHM.


Note that OHM is undergoing some maintenance at the moment. It'll be 
back online soon according to

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/historic/2018-June/001168.html


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Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

[Sam Wilson]

On Fri, 22 Dec 2017, at 10:44 AM, Andrew Davidson wrote:
> 
> 1. There's a Australian Slack channel? Oh, there's at least two. Great, 
> just what we need, more fragmentation.
> 

There is the Maptime Australia one — http://maptimeaustralia.slack.com
What is the other?

(And yes... don't you know that if you're not logging in to at least one new IM 
platform a month you're not Keeping Up™?!)


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Re: [talk-au] [Aust-NZ] FOSS4G-ANZ?

[Sam Wilson]

Yes, hear hear for less paperwork. :-) Those wordpressians recently
sided with Linux Australia, to make this sort of thing 
easier:https://www.linux.org.au/news/news/linux-australia-signs-mou-wordpress-community-support-facilitate-wordpress-events-australiMaybe
 there's some like-minded org that would do something similar?



On Mon, 20 Nov 2017, at 03:36 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> Extending to be a greater Free and Open Source for Geospatial (FOSS4G)
> and Open Street Map event I think is viable.> Re creating a legal body: I'd 
> err on trying avoid setting up a legal
> body - it creates a bunch of paperwork that your volunteers have to
> manage and takes them away from doing useful stuff. Ideally work in
> partnership with another legal body, like SSSI, or maybe one of the
> sponsor partners, or OSGeo.> I'd err on aiming small which will mean you can 
> keep the venue costs
> down. (Ideally team up with a University or similar who provides
> cheap rooms.)> Cheers, Cameron


> 
> On 20/11/17 11:22 am, David Dean wrote:
>> Hi everyone, 
>> 
>> I definitely want to get involved, particularly if we can incorporate
>> a local OpenStreetMap State Of The Map (OSM SOTM) conference/track to
>> go alongside/in partnership with F4G-AUNZ. There is some strong
>> interest in the AU OSM community in getting something like this off
>> the ground.>> 
>> If we can incorporate an OSM SOTM track, I would be happy to take
>> point on that, as well as any assistance need for the wider F4G-AUNZ
>> conference.>> 
>> I've CC'd this to the OSM Australia Mailing List, so if anyone is
>> coming from there, the email thread is below.>> 
>> (I've also sent this to the QGIS mailing list, but I'm not subscribed
>> yet, so I'm not sure if it will go through)>> 
>> - David
>> 
>> On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 at 09:44 Adam Steer
>>  wrote:>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>>  Sign me up to help out as well - I’ve been ruminating over the idea
>>>  of how to re-inspire the AU-NZ community, after having been to a
>>>  couple of awesome F4G global conferences now.>>> 
>>>  Osgeo seems to be the natural ‘formal group’ - Cameron knows how
>>>  this might work and will no doubt let me know if I’m barking up the
>>>  wrong tree. would formalising an ANZ Osgeo chapter be a good path?
>>>  or fraught with hazard?>>> 
>>>  cheers
>>> 
>>>  Adam
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  > On 20 Nov 2017, at 9:05 am, Alex Leith 
>>>  > wrote:>>>  >
>>>  > Hey folks
>>>  >
>>>  > As John said, I'm to get involved and help get something going
>>>  > for next>>>  > year, potentially.
>>>  >
>>>  > I think that the QGIS forum showed that there is interest around,
>>>  > and doing>>>  > a FOSS4G-ANZ would be a logical progression into an 
>>> inclusive
>>>  > event for a>>>  > wider group of geo-folks.
>>>  >
>>>  > I think that we need to be aware of the big event in spatial,
>>>  > Locate, which>>>  > is on around April each year, and as such, an event 
>>> would be best
>>>  > held in>>>  > the last half of the year. And what is unclear to me is 
>>> what
>>>  > formal bodies>>>  > we could organise an event under, i.e., who can 
>>> front up cash for
>>>  > a venue>>>  > and take the risk of an event that loses money (this 
>>> should be
>>>  > unlikely, but>>>  > it's a risk). There is, of course, a lot of 
>>> discussion around
>>>  > scale, and>>>  > format, but we can work all of that out in time.
>>>  >
>>>  > Anyhow, I'm very keen to help out. I've run some smaller
>>>  > conferences through>>>  > the SSSI in Tassie that have had 100+ 
>>> attendees, and have
>>>  > recently moved out>>>  > of my SSSI volunteering roles and as such I'm 
>>> ready for the next
>>>  > thing!>>>  >
>>>  > Kind regards,
>>>  >
>>>  > Alex
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > --
>>>  > Sent from:
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Re: [talk-au] Redacted roads in VIC QLD and WA

[Sam Wilson]

There are links to the WA roads datasets on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Western_Australia

 For both of them, you can load Landgate's WMS service with this URL:
https://services.slip.wa.gov.au/public/services/SLIP_Public_Services/Transport/MapServer/WMSServer
 (although note that there are lots of other datasets on that service,
 and you're not allowed to use most of them for OSM).
 I use JOSM, and it works pretty well. Just keep in mind that these are
 gazetted roads, and so may not actually match what's been built in
 either alignment or existence. :-)
 —Sam


On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, at 06:46 PM, Nick Hocking wrote:
> We have specific permissions to use certain QLD and WA data. Do we
> have any such permissions for VIC, or do we have anybody who knows
> who to ask?> 
> Also are there and tile servers or overlays for the QLD and WA data
> that we can use to manually get the redacted road names back easily?> 
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Re: [talk-au] OSM QGIS 'workshop' in Perth this weekend

[Sam Wilson]

Not much to show for it yet I'm afraid!

We ran into a bug with creating virtual layers from layers that have
attributes with colons in their names (e.g. toilets:disposal), and also
couldn't figure out getting relations' data in (the built-in QGIS way of
doing it creates strange layers with an 'extra_params' column that can't
easily be used in rules etc.).

We're putting together what we know here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/QGIS_tutorial

It'll be a few months till we're up to the print composer stuff I think
(we only meet fortnightly).

The idea is to have a set of instructions that any newbie can use to get
up and running with data in QGIS, so they can get on with the fun stuff
of making a pretty map. :-)

—Sam.



On Sat, 29 Jul 2017, at 08:06 PM, Phil (The Geek) Wyatt wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Any chance of some notes from this get together? Especially printing from
> composer and getting decent results!
> 
> Cheers - Phil (Tasmania)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam Wilson [mailto:s...@samwilson.id.au] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 2:07 PM
> To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [talk-au] OSM QGIS 'workshop' in Perth this weekend
> 
> Geogeeks http://geogeeks.org/ was going to run a workshop this weekend
> about how to use OSM data in QGIS, but it's also Govhack so there are
> lots of people otherwise engaged.
> 
> However, we do still have a venue, so there's going to be a small
> gathering at the state library in Perth to talk about QGIS and OSM and
> what a workshop might look like. :-)
> 
> So come along, bring your laptop, and we can all learn together!
> 
> 1 to 3 pm, State Library of Western Australia, 1st floor, BiblioTECH
> room.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sam.
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[talk-au] OSM QGIS 'workshop' in Perth this weekend

[Sam Wilson]

Geogeeks http://geogeeks.org/ was going to run a workshop this weekend
about how to use OSM data in QGIS, but it's also Govhack so there are
lots of people otherwise engaged.

However, we do still have a venue, so there's going to be a small
gathering at the state library in Perth to talk about QGIS and OSM and
what a workshop might look like. :-)

So come along, bring your laptop, and we can all learn together!

1 to 3 pm, State Library of Western Australia, 1st floor, BiblioTECH
room.

Thanks,
Sam.

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Re: [talk-au] When is a road, not a road?

[Sam Wilson]

I've found that there are quite a few MRWA road centre-lines that bear
no relation to where the actual road is. Usually because there are big
lumps of granite in the way, or quarries, or other physical reasons to
re-route the road. (I guess the road-builders don't tell MRWA that they
changed things?)

But yeah, I'm taking MRWA's geometries as a guide only, and certainly
not assuming their data is 100% complete. :-) So, I'd assume that any
non-track highway that is in OSM but not in MRWA is as-currently-mapped,
and leave it be.

Also, around towns there are often MRWA residential roads with names and
classifications etc. but which haven't actually (yet) been built. These
are sometimes currently firebreaks, but sometimes just scrub.

:-)

Of course, really what we should do it get out there for some
ground-truthing to solve these questions! :-)

—Sam

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016, at 01:11 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:
> The metadata says that it includes roads maintained by Main Roads and 
> "all roads controlled by Local Government (Local Roads) that are 
> assigned road numbers", which is great. It also has "other centreline is 
> also included for paths and unknown roads" which is a bit vague as to 
> how complete the data set is. What do the missing roads look like on 
> aerial imagery?
> 
> On 22/12/16 16:06, Warin wrote:
> > On 22-Dec-16 03:59 PM, Warren wrote:
> >> I suspect the answer to this question  is simple.
> >>
> >> Following Sam Wilson's post about the data sources available for
> >> Western Australian Roads, and using Sam's approach I have begun adding
> >> and checking road names in WA.  In  the area that I am currently
> >> working there are a number of named "roads" on  OSM (usually Highway:
> >> unclassified), that do not appear on the Main roads data.
> >>
> >> If a road is not on the Main roads database does it automatically
> >> become a named track (Highway: Track)?
> >
> > I'd leave it alone... someone thinks otherwise ... contact them for
> > their view.
> >
> > The 'Main roads database' may not include roads maintained by local
> > councils ... that does not make them OSM 'highway=track'.
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[talk-au] New data sources available for Western Australian roads

[Sam Wilson]

Hi all,

Main Roads in WA has released a bunch of data under CC-BY. I've started
using some of it. See here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Sam%20Wilson/diary/40066

So far, it's pretty cool to see that there's really not *all* that much
missing. :-)

Thanks,
Sam.

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Re: [talk-au] Osmose in Australia

[Sam Wilson]

Ah, yes! Good point, I'll fix that. :) But I think Osmose would still 
complain, because landuse and waterway shouldn't go together. I think. 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmose/issues#4030


—Sam

On 17/01/16 07:40, Ross wrote:

Probably because landuse=commercial is for office buildings etc.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dcommercial

I'd suggest that it should be landuse=industrial

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dindustrial

Cheers
Ross


On 17/01/16 08:54, Sam Wilson wrote:

This is a very groovy tool. :-)

Can anyone help me with this error 
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/error/5218289675 ?


I thought waterway=boatyard and landuse=commercial would be a 
reasonable combination. ("Boatyard - a place for constructing, 
repairing and storing vessels out of the water" says the wiki 
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Dboatyard>.) But 
then, it doesn't really make sense for that to be a 'waterway'...


Thanks,
Sam.


On 17/01/16 05:43, Frédéric Rodrigo wrote:

Hello,

This is not fully setup, yet.
We switch from check the country in one piece to do by states.

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=australia_*=

If "approximate waterway" (or other) is not appropriate for 
Australia we can switch off.


Frédéric.


As Prof. Farnsworth would say: Good news people.

It seems that some time in mid-December Australia was added to the
countries being analysed by Osmose:

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=australia=

The map is here:

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/

It's interesting that the most common error is "approximate waterway",
I'm guessing that the algorithm may be tuned for European conditions
and our quickly sketched river look bad.



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Re: [talk-au] Osmose in Australia

[Sam Wilson]

This is a very groovy tool. :-)

Can anyone help me with this error 
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/error/5218289675 ?


I thought waterway=boatyard and landuse=commercial would be a reasonable 
combination. ("Boatyard - a place for constructing, repairing and 
storing vessels out of the water" says the wiki 
.) But then, 
it doesn't really make sense for that to be a 'waterway'...


Thanks,
Sam.


On 17/01/16 05:43, Frédéric Rodrigo wrote:

Hello,

This is not fully setup, yet.
We switch from check the country in one piece to do by states.

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=australia_*=

If "approximate waterway" (or other) is not appropriate for Australia 
we can switch off.


Frédéric.


As Prof. Farnsworth would say: Good news people.

It seems that some time in mid-December Australia was added to the
countries being analysed by Osmose:

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=australia=

The map is here:

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/

It's interesting that the most common error is "approximate waterway",
I'm guessing that the algorithm may be tuned for European conditions
and our quickly sketched river look bad.



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Re: [talk-au] Osmose in Australia

[Sam Wilson]

On 17/01/16 09:09, Warin wrote:


wateruse=? :-)

Picking nits; As boat yard would be on land ... perhaps boatyard 
should not be part of the waterway tag!


landuse=industrial, industrial=boatyard?



Yeah, that makes sense. :) I reckon probably waterway=boatyard should be 
reserved for the areas of water in e.g. slipways etc., adjacent to 
industrial=boatyard land.


And thanks for adding your thoughts to the wiki too. :) 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:waterway%3Dboatyard
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Re: [talk-au] Bus shelter artwork

[Sam Wilson]

You could upload the photos to Wikimedia Commons, then use the various
tools (like https://toolserver.org/~para/GeoCommons/ for example) to view
the photos. This would pull the location info from Commons and not OSM
though. If you geocode the images before upload, and then upload with
Commonist, the correct coord template is inserted.

For example, I'm starting to upload a bunch of old photos of Fremantle
(starting the workflow in DigiKam for geocoding):
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=http:%2F%2Ftools.wikimedia.de%2F~para%2FGeoCommons%2FGeoCommons-simple.kmlll=-32.065028,115.7536spn=0.002964,0.006539t=mz=18

(Not that I usually use Google maps for much!)

- Sam.

On Tue, October 29, 2013 9:50 am, Andrew Elwell wrote:
 Hi folks,

 I'm about to embark on a pet project to photograph and tag all the
 decorated bus stops around city of Melville
 (http://www.melvillecity.com.au/community/art/bus-shelter-painting )
 and perhaps freo and others I spot on my travels

 I'd obviously check the position, route ID (for transperth) and the
 GTFS info was correct, but I'd like to display them on a photo-map
 somehow. What's the simplest way to do this - some sort of leaflet
 based site? I plan to stick pics on flickr (CC-BY-SA most likely) so I
 only need thumbnails on the mapping site.

 Does this sound reasonable? other suggestions? Anyone else already doing
 this?
 (have spoken to Melville and they're sending me what details they have
 for the artists so I can include proper credits)

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Re: [talk-au] transperth GTFS

[Sam Wilson]

On Wed, February 6, 2013 7:20 am, Andrew Elwell wrote:
 I've just moved here and discovered that I need to get tagging around
 shelley / rossmoyne areas of Perth, WA.

Welcome to Perth!  :-)


 I saw there was a NSW thread about GTFS feeds last month, but is
 anyone working on importing the other states, or even just Perth?


I'm not.  I just wonder around sometimes taking photos of them; as a
result, you'll see Freo is pretty poorly done!

- Sam.


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Re: [talk-au] Good no name layer?

[Sam Wilson]

On Tue, August 21, 2012 9:29 am, Ben Kelley wrote:
 Does anyone know a good way to find streets with no names? Potlatch no
 longer has this option, and Cloudmade's noname map is not up to date.

 Basically I'm trying to find any streets with no names in an area where
 most streets have names.

I seem to remember once seeing somewhere that someone was producing a
Garmin img file highlighting no-named streets, but I can't now find it. 
Was it derived from that Cloudmade one?  I'd rather like to use such a
thing myself, if it exists...

(Gosh, that's helpful isn't it? Sorry.)

- Sam.



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Re: [talk-au] Sydney Metroads Was: Re: M4 motorway in Sydney

[Sam Wilson]

 On 22 May 2012 23:02, Ian Sergeant ina...@gmail.com wrote:
  I was half way through rebuilding MR4 when the db went readonly.  It was
  supposed to be followed up with the deletion of the nonCT data, which
would
  have meant extensive deletions here, but that has now been delayed
until ?

I thought the deleting was already underway.  Am I wrong?  Where is
communication about this?  I haven't seen anything much on the blog
planet.

Not that I'm particularly active in seeking out info, I must admit. :-) 
But I have been resuming mapping with the idea that I don't need to be
paying attention to licensing stuff any more.

- Sam.


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Re: [talk-au] Removing ABS data

[Sam Wilson]

On Thu, December 29, 2011 9:56 am, Nick Hocking wrote:
 Sam wrote

 Is it necessary to remove that data now, before the big change-over date?
   1. Is there not still a chance that people who have declined the new
 licence
  will change their minds, and accept?
   2. Surely there's some magic in the works, that is going to swiftly and
   completely remove the non-compliant data for us?

 Yes, I think it is necessary to delete this data now...

 Firstly, the importer of this data has moved over to the dark side and
 seems to be
 relishing in the possible data loss to the OSM project. So there isn't a
 chance in hell
 of him accepting the CT's.

 Even if he did, I'm not sure the ABS data would be allowed to be relicenced
 under Odbl.
 And even if it was, this data is woefully out of date and now almost
 useless anyway.

 Also the ABS data appear as red dots and lines in Fredricks tainted data
 display and
 this masks out other bad data that needs to be removed and either remapped
 or OSM mappers
 good data recovered from history - where available.

 Also the places where people have mixed the ABS data with otherwise good
 data need to be
 looked at individually, now, to try to save as much good data as possible.

 Nick

All good points, Nick.  Thanks.

I guess I've been hoping that it doesn't come down to individually looking at
everything and manually fixing things... but it does (if we're to save as much
data as possible) and so I'm quite happy to get cracking with it...

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Re: [talk-au] I deleted a few locality boundaries...

[Sam Wilson]

Yes, I've often wondered the same: if they're officially defined as 
following particular roads etc. and then those roads move, do the 
boundaries move also?


Also, there seem to be some situations in which boundaries do not 
actually match the locations of the roads (etc.) that they're ostensibly 
following.  I mean, not way off, but 10m or what have you, and not 
consistently either -- there's some (although, I can't find one this 
afternoon; I saw a couple last week out in the WA wheatbelt somewhere) 
that cross over the road and then back again (which matches aerial 
photography and GPS traces!).  Do roads really move all that often, and 
by not much?


I always have all administrative boundaries turned off (greyed-out) in 
JOSM, because they're all a bit confusing.  And not staying after the 
licence change, it would seem!


- Sam.

On 2011-12-18 4:43PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:

Where do these official gazetted boundaries come from?

On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Ross Scanloni...@4x4falcon.com  wrote:

Wait for an import of the oficial gazetted boundaries.


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Re: [talk-au] Re-entering data to avoid licensing failure

[Sam Wilson]

Hullo everyone,

I keep well out of the whole legal/political side of OSM usually, but 
I'd just like to ask if I should be doing anything in particular whilst 
editing these days, before the licence change?  I mean, people keep 
talking about deleting and recreating data that's been added by 
decliners, and it rather sounds like a fair bit of work!  If I just 
carry on as usual, am I making more work for everyone later, or is it 
going to be okay?  I don't particularly fancy having piles of my 
contributions removed because they're building on decliners' data!


Thanks,
Sam.

PS: Please say yeah it'll all be fine!  ;-)

On 2011-12-16 11:03AM, John Henderson wrote:

Hi Nick,

Please don't concern yourself with Boorowa. I was giving it as an
example of the complexities of untangling the good data from the
tainted data.

I go there regularly. It will be no problem for me. And you've got so
much to do that I can't help you with.

John


John, I'll have a look at Boorowa tonight. Let's see if we can
untangle the acceptor/decliner edits and save as much acceptor edits
as possible. Any road info that must be lost, I will happily re-map
on my way to Adelaide next thursday.



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Re: [talk-au] [OpenStreetMap] intersections

[Sam Wilson]

On Tue, November 29, 2011 1:47 pm, Ben Johnson wrote:
 However, we need to break these rules in order to put small but
 important isolated townships on the map, so it's a case where
 tagging for the renderer is accepted, but it's something that I'm not
 comfortable with and is a perfect example to demonstrate a need for
 assisted rendering tags.

I think you've hit the crux of it there, though: that we don't necessarily
need to be tagging for the renderer, but rather tagging to indicate
*importance* (which is obviously something quite different from population or
whatever other quantitative tag is used), and then letting the renders make
sense of that.  Air strips fall into the reverse category quite often, I think
(there's some part of Texas I think it was, that I was looking at a little
while ago, and at one zoom level it looked like the whole countryside was
covered in airports and no towns!).

- Sam.


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Re: [talk-au] Project of the Week / Month

[Sam Wilson]

On 2010-11-04 10:26 PM, David Murn wrote:


With aerial imagery, its quite possible to accurately tag the exact
location of the light itself, and even a lot of street lamps have unique
ref codes which could be tagged also.  Id be quite happy to start
tagging street lamps if there was an agreed upon tag.

One thought, is that often street lights can share the same pole as
power lines, so maybe utilising the existing pole/pylon/tower tags could
be used in some way?



Actually, streetlights (at least WA ones) have separate ID numbers to 
the poles they're on.  And they're generally not written on the 
streetlight!  So better off marking the pole its ref=xxx plus something 
to indicate the presence of the streetlight.




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[talk-au] Big WA trace #5

[Sam Wilson]

Just a mention that I've uploaded another trace,19773 points:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Sam%20Wilson/traces/858568

Should I perhaps not bother announcing these?  I just thought it might 
spur someone or other on to help me trace!  :-)  But I don't want to 
clutter the list...


Thanks,
Sam.

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[talk-au] Big WA trace #4

[Sam Wilson]

Hi,

I don't know how many people on this list are on talk (where I mentioned 
this project), but I've just started uploading big traces from regional 
WA.  They're fairly sparse (30s sampling rate) but cover a lot of 
ground.  I thought I'd post here when I upload a new one, in case 
anyone's feeling like doing a bit of tracing.  The latest is:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Sam%20Wilson/traces/852126

Thanks,
Sam.

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Re: [talk-au] Overmapping?

[Sam Wilson]

On 25/2/10 3:59 AM, Liz wrote:
 On Thu, 25 Feb 2010, Roy Wallace wrote:
 This, on the other hand, may well be true. But IMHO this is NOT a
 reason to limit what gets entered into the OSM database, but simply to
 *pre-process* the OSM data (filtering out unwanted details as desired)
 prior to loading onto the GPS unit.

 i agree.
 perhaps a cyclist would want the roads removed for some styles of map
 

Yes, actually that's rather like what I had in mind: a walking map of 
Fremantle.

It was me, you see; I'm the overmapper!

I don't think the extra detail is harmful, and if one were to produce a 
map in which the footways were big and obvious, and the roads little 
incidental grey lines, then this data would be better off as ways rather 
than extrapolated from roads' tags.

Of course, it's that slippery slope again: at what point will someone 
come along and want to map footpaths as areas?!  Actually, the GIS data 
that I'm most familiar with (not to imply that I'm familiar with it at 
all, really) is that of Western Power, where every footpath /is/ an 
area, as well as every grassy verge and driveway entrance!

- Sam.

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Re: [talk-au] Overmapping?

[Sam Wilson]

On 25/2/10 6:05 PM, Richard Colless wrote:
 in to the 50m level. The attached file shows what it looks like on my 
 Etrex. The footways are much smaller than the roads, and don't really 
 add to the clutter. In fact, when I zoomed in to 8m the display became 
 less cluttered. So I guess we can really map whatever detail we feel 

(It's good to see Freo getting this much attention!)

In terms of map clutter, that parking off to the left is more of a 
worry: it's tagged access=private, so surely shouldn't really be mapped? 
  On the other hand, the fantastic café opposite it doesn't get a look 
in!  ;-)

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Re: [talk-au] Overmapping?

[Sam Wilson]

On 25/2/10 7:07 PM, John Smith wrote:
 Mapped, or shown on maps?

Ah yes, right:  shown on /that/ map.

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