Re: [Talk-transit] Updating the NaPTAN bus stops in Birmingham
The update has been completed now. It's changeset 3194365 on the NaPTAN account. Cheers, Christoph Christoph Böhme christ...@b3e.net schrieb: Hi, I plan to do an update of the NaPTAN bus stops in Birmingham to bring them in line with the imports in the rest of the country. The update will make the following changes: 1. All naptan:unverified=yes tags are changed to naptan:verified=no. This will make maintenance of the colour schemes in Novam easier. 2. naptan:unverified=no tags are removed. I think this makes more sense than replacing them with naptan:verified=yes. 3. naptan:AdministrativeAreaRef tags will be removed as they have only been used in the Birmingham import and nowhere else. So the tag is quite useless (tagwatch lists 105 as the only value for the tag). 4. naptan:Bearing tags will be added to all NaPTAN stops that do not have them yet (i.e. the stops in Birmingham). 5. naptan:BusStopType=CUS will be added when available and not yet existing. I am currently making the finishing touches on the import script and will test it then. So, if there are no objections against the changes the update should ready to go ahead in a couple of days. Method used for the update: I extracted atco-code, bearing, and bus stop type with an xsl script from the NaPTAN xml file for the West Midlands and placed the data into a new table in the Novam database. Since Novam maintains an up-to-date extract of all bus stops in OSM the bus stops which need be updated can easily be selected and joined with the new data in the table created before. Finally, a python script goes through the selected bus stops, applies the modifications outlined above to each them, and uploads them through the python osm api to OSM. If the upload fails due to a version conflict the latest version of the bus stop is retrieved from OSM and the script changes this node and uploads it again. The scripts are currently tailored to add and remove some tags from the Birmingham bus stops. However, I think this update might be a helpful step towards more complex updates of the NaPTAN data in OSM. Cheers, Christoph ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-hr] Okupljanje ZG OSM mappera
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 05:21:25PM +0100, Marko Dimjasevic wrote: On Srijeda, 18. Studeni 2009. 05:31:30 you wrote: Vidi http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/16.11.2009_-_drugo_okupljanje Predlažem da se doda mapping party u kalendar zbivanja na glavnoj stranici wikija (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Main_Page). Dobra ideja Marko, dodah. Ajmo ljudi koji ste bili (ili cete extra doci) napisite *cim prije* sto imate i sto donosite. Kost, ti si pricao da HULK ima x GPSova za donjeti ? Bolje da imamo viska nego da se netko slucajno ne pojavi (obori ga svinjska gripa ili sl. :-) pa da nam fali pol toga. Tko jos ima aute osim Darka (ja nemam) ? Tko bude isprintao mape podrucja ? Kakvi smo sa laptopima ? I di je ta dvorana gdje se nalazimo, predlagac valjda zna ? Ima tamo klope/interneta/struje ? To nam je bitno za raspored, editiranje, a i samo nalazenje. Organizator ima neki mob za kontakt ako/kada se ljudi zagube ? Dodajte i dopisite na: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/16.11.2009_-_drugo_okupljanje ili barem na listu pa ce netko staviti gore. nemojte cekati predugo jer ima vremena jer bude onda zadnji dan rasulo :) Pisite odmah, jos samo par dana ima za definiranje svega i pripreme... -- Opinions above are GNU-copylefted. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Cycleway or path?
Pierre Parmentier wrote: Hello, This kind of tool prepared by Ben may be of a great help. For the Sonian Forest I have prepared some guidelines for tagging tracks/path/etc., following the idea of Alain Empain. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Sonian_Forest. Should we merge this in Belgian Roads in a special part dedicated to our forests/woods/parks? That's something we'll have to tackle as well. Some time ago I've also started with some Flemish signs here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Eimai/Flemish_Nature_Reserves but didn't look into properly tagging it (although I do have my ideas on it anyway :-) ) Of course it's again something which is handled differently in Flanders, Wallonia and Brussels (resulting for example in the different kinds of signage in the Sonian Forest). We may need some tag saying that it's a path which is under the forest decree (bosdecreet). Because rules are quite different compared with a path that isn't. The latter basically allows anything that can go on it, the former by default only allows pedestrians (at least in Flanders). Furthermore, there are other kinds of domains that aren't signed with traffic signs or with nature reserve signs. They just might have some information sign at the entrance telling in words what's allowed or not. So how do we fit that into the tagging rules as well... That's basically my main concern: how can we get a tagging method in Belgium which makes it easy to translate the situation into tags, and make sure that the tags themselves aren't ambiguous. If two paths have exactly the same tags, it should have the same signage in real world. That last part is necessary because rules can change (the Flemish forest decree just changed, the traffic code will be rewritten in a year or so, so we have to be able to handle it). If your tagging method depended too much on interpreting the situation (i.e. explicitly tagging for each vehicle class what's allowed and what isn't) this ends in trouble where you basically have to revisit most paths to check the actual situation when the rules change. Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-legal-talk] The Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earth
I would like to know more you can place this site as a source of data http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/sseop/, I see no problem in inform them of what we do and put in source tag, in some small things I already and we need image as those ex: http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseop/QuickView.pl?directory=ESCID=ISS021-E-7154 http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseop/QuickView.pl?directory=ESCID=ISS018-E-36635 http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseop/QuickView.pl?directory=ESCID=ISS006-E-5713 nasa wrote this email about same question From: jsc-earth...@mail.nasa.gov To: superrich...@hotmail.com Thank you for your message. You are welcome to use our photos, for which NASA does not maintain a copyright. If the images are used in publications, websites, formal presentations, etc., our requests are: 1. That you credit the Image Science Analysis Laboratory, NASA Johnson Space Center as the source of the information. 2. That you link to our homepage or otherwise list the URL so that other web surfers can find the base materials. 3. That you let us know about your links. We're glad you are finding the photos to be useful for educational purposes, and would like to see the results. 4. If used in a publication, please send us a complete citation when the work is in hardcopy for our records. For more information regarding the conditions for using our imagery, please visit the following link: http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/Info/use.htm. If the resolution of the available images is not sufficient for your purposes, please contact Jody Russell (mary.j.russel...@nasa.gov) in the Johnson Space Center Media Center for information on ordering a custom product. I`m georeference this photos with falconview opensource other page is http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/Info/use.htm best regards _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping a favela (slum)
Congrats, Arlindo! Here in Kibera, we purchased recent satellite imagery, but you can only tell so much. And we use the Garmin eTrex Legend HCx. Kibera is very dense, and the tracks are often not that precise. But in combination, we can have good certainty of where the paths lie .. the GPS tracks give a rough guide, and interpretation of the imagery with local knowledge helps a lot. So my recommendation is the combination :) We're using Walking Papers too. We need to put some more work into WP .. Kibera POIs are so dense, some of the nodes aren't rendered, which can be confusing. Cheers Mikel == Mikel Maron == http://mapkibera.org/ +254 (0) 724899738 mi...@osmfoundation.org From: Arlindo Pereira nig...@nighto.net To: osm-talk talk@openstreetmap.org Cc: Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com; Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, November 23, 2009 4:39:24 AM Subject: Mapping a favela (slum) Hi there, I'm very proud to announce that I started to map my first favela here in Rio, the Favela Santa Marta [1] [2] [3]. It has a funicular system to the top, and I've added a couple of POIs. However (and obviously), the GPS tracks were completely erratic due to the sub-meter wide footpaths. I've tried with my Nokia N95 GPS. It is very dense [4] there, you can check how erratic was the log [5]. But it is already something! :D Judging the satelite image, what do you think it would be better: purchasing sub-meter pixel satellite imagery, an expensive GPS unit or a combination of both? I believe that once the main footpaths/stairways are mapped, we can have mapping parties with Walking Papers. I'd love to have the kids helping by adding POIs, for instance. Perhaps talking with the local school... Cheers, 1: http://osm.org/go/OVcx0aKmL- 2: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favela_Santa_Marta 3: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=yprev=_thl=pt-BRie=UTF-8u=http%3A%2F%2Fpt.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFavela_Santa_Martasl=pttl=en 4: Check on Google Maps sat imagery (just to have an idea because Yahoo! imagery is very poor): http://maps.google.com.br/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=pt-BRgeocode=q=dona+marta,+botafogo,+rjsll=0,0sspn=74.600551,158.027344ie=UTF8hq=hnear=Botafogo+-+Rio+de+Janeiro+-+RJll=-22.947333,-43.194632spn=0.002262,0.004823t=kz=18 5: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Nighto/traces/570988 Please notice I forgot to pause the logging as soon as I left the slum so the track continue in a few streets (already mapped) -- Arlindo Saraiva Pereira Jr. Bacharelando em Sistemas de Informação - UNIRIO - uniriotec.br Consultor de Software Livre da Uniriotec Consultoria - uniriotec.com Acadêmico: arlindo.pere...@uniriotec.br Profissional: arlindo.pere...@uniriotec.com Geral: cont...@arlindopereira.com Tel.: +5521 92504072 Jabber/Google Talk: nig...@nighto.net Skype: nighto_sumomo Chave pública: BD065DEC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Fwd: Idea: shp2osm2gpx2donateBYseparate login
Hi everyone, What do you think of the idea to convert the shp files to OSM, then to GPX and upload it that way? This way, we (at a minimum) just have a gpx track of where the data that is available, geographically is. It doesnt mean that the features will end up being uploaded, it just provides a 'tracer'. This can be VERY handy for the leavely mapped areas, as well as not so heavely mapped areas. (since its a 'guide' 1 of many gpx tracks around) This way, i can create a separate login for this, and just upload these 'created' gpx tracks, and it will NOT interfer with ANY osm data. Would it be possable to allow me to upload these tracks? Thanks, Sam -- Forwarded message -- From: Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:15:27 -0800 Subject: Idea: shp2osm2gpx2donateBYseparate login To: impo...@openstreetmap.org Hi, I'm working on the Ontario Trails Network. Some of it list 'trails' as being 'on road with vehicles' so that would be a 'tertiary' or 'unclassified' instead, so im wondering if i could convert the file to gpx and upload that (under a different login) That way, it is all available, at the min. tracable. This can prove 'helpful' in any area, so that it can be 'traced' or used to correct (or re-align) tracks where people have already mapped. Thanks, Sam P.S. For each import source. I think that it's best if i create a new login for it? -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Does Google use automated tracing from satellite imagery ?
I find the Yahoo satellite imagery useful for tracing in JOSM with wmsplugin, but when I just want to gaze at stunning sights of Earth's surface I go to Google, the quality of whose imagery never ceases to amaze me. I have noticed that in many places, in countries in which Google does not have significant commercial interest, even many villages have part of their street grid mapped. But looking a little closer, this is a partial mapping of a seemingly random subset of the grid, and none of those streets have names. Example in Takoradi, Ghana : http://j.mp/7Ay7wZ. This looks like what some grid recognition automaton would produce if configured to only trace the streets it detects with a certainty above a certain threshold. The result is imperfect, but it looks like a nice way to kickstart manual mapping of an area with the techniques we currently use. So is anyone aware of automated tracing techniques that Google might be using ? Is automated tracing from legally available imagery something that the Openstreetmap project should study ? Street grid detection and automated tracing would make a nice JOSM plugin wouldn't it ? Lakewalker does it for waterlines (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Lakewalker) and coastline tracing of Landsat imagery using other tools has been experimented with (http://www.mail-archive.com/talk@openstreetmap.org/msg12661.html). Other people have been playing with Potrace and Autotrace (http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel_talk:How_to_draw_a_map#Automated_tracing_potrace_vs._autotrace) But I have found no mention of street tracing automation yet. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Potlatch 1.3
Hi all, I'm pleased to announce Potlatch 1.3 - a new version with one major improvement. Potlatch now lets you zoom in as far as zoom level 23. Previous versions only went up to z19, and even then with some loss of positional accuracy. This makes Potlatch much more suitable for tracing buildings, and other fine detail, from high quality aerial imagery like the NearMap imagery available in Australia. Don't forget that there's the option to 'Use thin lines at all scales' to make high-resolution work easier, too. A fair amount of the scaling code has been reworked to cope with this, so if you spot any mishaps on the way, reports at http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ are welcome as usual. This might be the last major revision of Potlatch 1.x - because work is now well underway on Potlatch 2, which is a complete rewrite with some whizzy new features. But more on that anon! cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Idea: shp2osm2gpx2donateBYseparate login
2009/11/23 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com: Hi everyone, What do you think of the idea to convert the shp files to OSM, then to GPX and upload it that way? I don't think this would be a good idea, they aren't GPS traces, it would also remove or make more difficult if things need to be attributed to know what to attribute to whom. It would be better to have a parallel system for things like shape files that could be loaded similar to GPS traces rather than show horning things into existing frame work. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Does Google use automated tracing from satellite imagery ?
2009/11/23 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: So is anyone aware of automated tracing techniques that Google might be using ? Is automated tracing from legally available imagery something I was under the impression that google used their mapmaker technology and had employees, and since releasing it to the public others too, to trace out areas, if it's so hit and miss it's probably not automated. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Seeing only my traces in JOSM ?
In Potlatch, 'Shift+g' shows only your traces and 'g' show all the traces (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch/Keyboard_shortcuts). But the same shortcuts don't work in JOSM and nothing similar is listed in http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Shortcuts. Is there a way to do that or should I file a wishlist bug for JOSM ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Seeing only my traces in JOSM ?
You should check Raw GPS data on the download dialog, but I don't know a way to download just my traces (I didn't need that). --Ciprian On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: In Potlatch, 'Shift+g' shows only your traces and 'g' show all the traces (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch/Keyboard_shortcuts). But the same shortcuts don't work in JOSM and nothing similar is listed in http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Shortcuts. Is there a way to do that or should I file a wishlist bug for JOSM ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Seeing only my traces in JOSM ?
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: In Potlatch, 'Shift+g' shows only your traces and 'g' show all the traces (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch/Keyboard_shortcuts). But the same shortcuts don't work in JOSM and nothing similar is listed in http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Shortcuts. Is there a way to do that or should I file a wishlist bug for JOSM ? You can load your traces from local files. If you then don't download the public traces (or hide the layer if you do) you'll only see them. -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Seeing only my traces in JOSM ?
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 02:32:41PM +, Jonathan Bennett wrote: In Potlatch, 'Shift+g' shows only your traces and 'g' show all the traces (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch/Keyboard_shortcuts). But the same shortcuts don't work in JOSM and nothing similar is listed in http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Shortcuts. Is there a way to do that or should I file a wishlist bug for JOSM ? You can load your traces from local files. If you then don't download the public traces (or hide the layer if you do) you'll only see them. My workflow is,, roughly: 1) Load my own traces into josm, those that I intend to map from today. 2) Download both GPS data and map data from OSM. Make sure to tick the download as new layer, so that the GPS data is not mixed with yours. 3) Change the color for my own GXS tracks, so that I see what is my own and what is downloaded. 4) If things get too cluttered from GPS points, it's easy to hide the downloaded GPX points and just see your own. 5) After you're done with a GPX, upload it to OSM. It's good to have as a source reference. -- - Vegard Engen, member of the first RFC1149 implementation team. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Seeing only my traces in JOSM ?
Ciprian Talaba wrote: You should check Raw GPS data on the download dialog, but I don't know a way to download just my traces I didn't need that). That is what I need - it is sometimes necessary when too many noisy traces are present and make me wonder which ones I can trust. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Seeing only my traces in JOSM ?
veg...@vegard.engen.priv.no wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 02:32:41PM +, Jonathan Bennett wrote: In Potlatch, 'Shift+g' shows only your traces and 'g' show all the traces (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch/Keyboard_shortcuts). But the same shortcuts don't work in JOSM and nothing similar is listed in http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Shortcuts. Is there a way to do that or should I file a wishlist bug for JOSM ? You can load your traces from local files. If you then don't download the public traces (or hide the layer if you do) you'll only see them. My workflow is,, roughly: 1) Load my own traces into josm, those that I intend to map from today. 2) Download both GPS data and map data from OSM. Make sure to tick the download as new layer, so that the GPS data is not mixed with yours. 3) Change the color for my own GXS tracks, so that I see what is my own and what is downloaded. 4) If things get too cluttered from GPS points, it's easy to hide the downloaded GPX points and just see your own. 5) After you're done with a GPX, upload it to OSM. It's good to have as a source reference. This looks like a good workaround, thanks. The only drawback is that it depends on always working on the same host. I often move and I would have preferred a solution that does not depend on local data but only on what is on the server. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Seeing only my traces in JOSM ?
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 14:55, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: The only drawback is that it depends on always working on the same host. I often move and I would have preferred a solution that does not depend on local data but only on what is on the server. Then make a personal rule of always uploading your data to the server just as you would with Potlatch, then you never have to worry about local data and can just get it from the server. If you mark your trace as identifiable you can distinguish it from other traces you get from the sever, of course JOSM may need some software support for that, if that's the case file a bug at http://josm.openstreetmap.de for that feature. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 1.3
Richard Fairhurst wrote: Hi all, I'm pleased to announce Potlatch 1.3 - a new version with one major improvement. Potlatch now lets you zoom in as far as zoom level 23. Excellent news. Thank you Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Seeing only my traces in JOSM ?
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 14:55, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: The only drawback is that it depends on always working on the same host. I often move and I would have preferred a solution that does not depend on local data but only on what is on the server. Then make a personal rule of always uploading your data to the server just as you would with Potlatch, then you never have to worry about local data and can just get it from the server. Yes, that is what I do. If you mark your trace as identifiable you can distinguish it from other traces you get from the sever, of course JOSM may need some software support for that, if that's the case file a bug at http://josm.openstreetmap.de for that feature. Yes, it seems to me that JOSM does not support that : the GPX layer shows a list of all the traces that it contains, but I have found no way to identify them individually. So I guess that a wishlist item is necessary - I'll file it. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 1.3
El Lunes, 23 de Noviembre de 2009, Richard Fairhurst escribió: Potlatch now lets you zoom in as far as zoom level 23. Previous versions only went up to z19, and even then with some loss of positional accuracy. I can already see the headlines of Potlatch 2.0: Potlatch, now with more resolution than the real world! :-P -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Seeing only my traces in JOSM ?
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: The only drawback is that it depends on always working on the same host. I often move and I would have preferred a solution that does not depend on local data but only on what is on the server. USB key? That has the advantage of working now, rather than waiting for code, which might take rather a long time. -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Seeing only my traces in JOSM ?
On 23 Nov 2009, at 16:59, Jonathan Bennett wrote: Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: The only drawback is that it depends on always working on the same host. I often move and I would have preferred a solution that does not depend on local data but only on what is on the server. USB key? That has the advantage of working now, rather than waiting for code, which might take rather a long time. I use Dropbox to sync all my GPS traces between all the computers that I generally use. I can access the files remotely too. Shaun ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Seeing only my traces in JOSM ?
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 16:59, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: The only drawback is that it depends on always working on the same host. I often move and I would have preferred a solution that does not depend on local data but only on what is on the server. USB key? That has the advantage of working now, rather than waiting for code, which might take rather a long time. I store all my GPX traces in a git repository. I can clone it anywhere, push between machines, it's easy to merge if I make changes at two machines at the same time etc. You can also get free git hosting online.. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
Hi, I'm looking for the best mobile phone for OpenStreetMap. Which mobile phone do you think is better for OpenStreetMap? Things for consideration are: - onboard GPS precision - applications for GPS logging - applications for POI collection - battery life when mapping (how long can you map) Please share any experience that you have with any or even better if you had experience with both of them. I only user iPhone for a short while, and haven't even seen Android for real but I ran Android emulator via SDK to get a feel for it. Here are some of my thoughts... Android positive points: - platform on the uptake, more apps coming every day - nice POI collection app [1] - runs multiple apps at once - quite open platform Android negative points: - less apps than iPhone, both for OSM and general - not so good as multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - a bit bigger and heavier than iPhone iPhone positive points: - lots of apps, both for OSM and general [2] - CloudMade MapZen POI collector supports for iPhone [3] - multitouch interface - great multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - nice deal for a 2 year T-Mobile contract iPhone negative points: - runs only one app at once :( - pretty closed platform :( - quite expensive, no carrier in Croatia offers it in contract deals :( [1] http://maps.bigtincan.com/btc-mapper.php [2] http://blog.cloudmade.com/2009/03/19/bring-cloudmade-maps-to-your- iphone-application/ [3] http://mapzen.cloudmade.com/mapzen-poi-collector -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:03:00 +, Valent Turkovic wrote: - quite expensive, no carrier in Croatia offers it in contract deals This negative point should have been in Android section not in iPhone. -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm looking for the best mobile phone for OpenStreetMap. Which mobile phone do you think is better for OpenStreetMap? Things for consideration are: - onboard GPS precision - applications for GPS logging - applications for POI collection - battery life when mapping (how long can you map) Please share any experience that you have with any or even better if you had experience with both of them. I only user iPhone for a short while, and haven't even seen Android for real but I ran Android emulator via SDK to get a feel for it. Here are some of my thoughts... Android positive points: - platform on the uptake, more apps coming every day - nice POI collection app [1] - runs multiple apps at once - quite open platform Android negative points: - less apps than iPhone, both for OSM and general - not so good as multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - a bit bigger and heavier than iPhone iPhone positive points: - lots of apps, both for OSM and general [2] - CloudMade MapZen POI collector supports for iPhone [3] - multitouch interface - great multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - nice deal for a 2 year T-Mobile contract iPhone negative points: - runs only one app at once :( - pretty closed platform :( - quite expensive, no carrier in Croatia offers it in contract deals :( [1] http://maps.bigtincan.com/btc-mapper.php [2] http://blog.cloudmade.com/2009/03/19/bring-cloudmade-maps-to-your- iphone-application/ [3] http://mapzen.cloudmade.com/mapzen-poi-collector Hi Valent, as for myself I'm using Nokia E51 with gpsmid as my primary mapping software. Used to utilize TrekBuddy but now that I discovered beauty of vector maps and audio tagging I am using TB only when gpsmid has some real issues which leads us to its downsides. Dunno whether it's j2me implementation, hardware problem or problem with gpsmid but sometimes I have some hard time with it: bluetooth connection drops randomly (I'm using external bluetooth module), crash or freeze and I also ended up with a corrupted midlet once. But still.. I was unable to find anything better. Anyway your mileage may vary with a different phone (Sony Ericsson?). Hope it helps, joe ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
2009/11/23 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com: Things for consideration are: - onboard GPS precision - applications for GPS logging - applications for POI collection - battery life when mapping (how long can you map) Please share any experience that you have with any or even better if you had experience with both of them. I only user iPhone for a short while, and haven't even seen Android for real but I ran Android emulator via SDK to get a feel for it. Here are some of my thoughts... Android positive points: - platform on the uptake, more apps coming every day - nice POI collection app [1] - runs multiple apps at once - quite open platform Android negative points: - less apps than iPhone, both for OSM and general - not so good as multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - a bit bigger and heavier than iPhone iPhone positive points: - lots of apps, both for OSM and general [2] - CloudMade MapZen POI collector supports for iPhone [3] - multitouch interface - great multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - nice deal for a 2 year T-Mobile contract iPhone negative points: - runs only one app at once :( - pretty closed platform :( - quite expensive, no carrier in Croatia offers it in contract deals :( If anyone has experience with any of the two and additionally the Palm Pre, I'd love to see a comparison too, and especially if there are any OSM related apps. My experience with Pre so far: + very exact aided GPS - no un-aided GPS at all (until the protocol is reverse engineered) + pretty open OS (Linux based webOS, partially closed-source, but on some accounts it's more transparent than Android since it's all javascript) - none GPS related apps whatsoever, that I've seen (but a lot of developer uptake) + multitouch, 3D graphics accel, accelerometers, etc etc Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
On 23 Nov 2009, at 21:45, Jozef Riha wrote: Hi Valent, as for myself I'm using Nokia E51 with gpsmid as my primary mapping software. Used to utilize TrekBuddy but now that I discovered beauty of vector maps and audio tagging I am using TB only when gpsmid has some real issues which leads us to its downsides. Dunno whether it's j2me implementation, hardware problem or problem with gpsmid but sometimes I have some hard time with it: bluetooth connection drops randomly (I'm using external bluetooth module), crash or freeze and I also ended up with a corrupted midlet once. But still.. I was unable to find anything better. Anyway your mileage may vary with a different phone (Sony Ericsson?). I'm using TrackMyJourney on a Sony Ericsson W995 (previously on a K850i and K750i) and haven't had a problem of bluetooth to the GPS dropping out. Note that TMJ won't work on Android (which the original poster asked about), as it is a completely different platform even so it's still Java, just not the standard J2ME that TMJ uses. Shaun ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
Safari in iPhone is better for maps than Android browser o no SVG in Android browser o no multitouch in Android browser Javascript (evt.touches) o no 3d CSS in Android browser 3d css is good for fast zooming) bernhard Valent Turkovic schrieb: Hi, I'm looking for the best mobile phone for OpenStreetMap. Which mobile phone do you think is better for OpenStreetMap? Things for consideration are: - onboard GPS precision - applications for GPS logging - applications for POI collection - battery life when mapping (how long can you map) Please share any experience that you have with any or even better if you had experience with both of them. I only user iPhone for a short while, and haven't even seen Android for real but I ran Android emulator via SDK to get a feel for it. Here are some of my thoughts... Android positive points: - platform on the uptake, more apps coming every day - nice POI collection app [1] - runs multiple apps at once - quite open platform Android negative points: - less apps than iPhone, both for OSM and general - not so good as multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - a bit bigger and heavier than iPhone iPhone positive points: - lots of apps, both for OSM and general [2] - CloudMade MapZen POI collector supports for iPhone [3] - multitouch interface - great multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - nice deal for a 2 year T-Mobile contract iPhone negative points: - runs only one app at once :( - pretty closed platform :( - quite expensive, no carrier in Croatia offers it in contract deals :( [1] http://maps.bigtincan.com/btc-mapper.php [2] http://blog.cloudmade.com/2009/03/19/bring-cloudmade-maps-to-your- iphone-application/ [3] http://mapzen.cloudmade.com/mapzen-poi-collector ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
2009/11/24 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com: - onboard GPS precision The iPhone has a poor GPS chip from what I've read. - a bit bigger and heavier than iPhone There is more than one phone that runs Android, some are very similar in weight/size to the iPhone, also some have a physical keypad which is much much more useful that soft keypads. - multitouch interface I've had multitouch running on Android and I didn't find it that useful, and a motorola handset being launched in Europe with Android will have multitouch, Android isn't a single phone and different phones have different features. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
2009/11/24 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com: If anyone has experience with any of the two and additionally the Palm Pre, I'd love to see a comparison too, and especially if there are any OSM related apps. My experience with Pre so far: Is there a GSM version of the Pre yet? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 1.3
2009/11/23 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es: El Lunes, 23 de Noviembre de 2009, Richard Fairhurst escribió: Potlatch now lets you zoom in as far as zoom level 23. Previous versions only went up to z19, and even then with some loss of positional accuracy. I can already see the headlines of Potlatch 2.0: Potlatch, now with more resolution than the real world! :-P On that note, snapping to the nearest 0.001 degrees would be appreciated, since that is (I believe) the smallest resolution currently allowed by the OSM database, and is (usually, I believe) less than one pixel at z23. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 1.3
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: 2009/11/23 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es: El Lunes, 23 de Noviembre de 2009, Richard Fairhurst escribió: Potlatch now lets you zoom in as far as zoom level 23. Previous versions only went up to z19, and even then with some loss of positional accuracy. I can already see the headlines of Potlatch 2.0: Potlatch, now with more resolution than the real world! :-P On that note, snapping to the nearest 0.001 degrees would be appreciated, since that is (I believe) the smallest resolution currently allowed by the OSM database, and is (usually, I believe) less than one pixel at z23. Nevermind. That's about half an inch, and it doesn't seem to be less than a pixel (at my latitude/longitude, anyway). For some reason last time i calculated it I thought it was more. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 1.3
2009/11/24 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Nevermind. That's about half an inch, and it doesn't seem to be less than a pixel (at my latitude/longitude, anyway). For some reason last time i calculated it I thought it was more. You should use metric it's easier since metric distances were based on a rough approximation of the circumference of the earth ;) 1 degree of latitude and at the equator, 1 degree of longitude ~= 100km, so every decimal place from there is an order of magnitude less. 0.1 ~= 10km 0.01 ~= 1km 0.001 ~= 100m 0.0001 ~= 10m 0.1 ~= 1m 0.01 ~= 10cm 0.001 ~= 1cm An inch was standardised based on metric :) 1 inch = 2.54cm exactly ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
Am Dienstag 24 November 2009 03:49:42 schrieb John Smith: 2009/11/24 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com: If anyone has experience with any of the two and additionally the Palm Pre, I'd love to see a comparison too, and especially if there are any OSM related apps. My experience with Pre so far: Is there a GSM version of the Pre yet? yes. I got mine yesterday :-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 1.3
Hi, John Smith wrote: You should use metric it's easier since metric distances were based on a rough approximation of the circumference of the earth ;) 1 degree of latitude and at the equator, 1 degree of longitude ~= 100km Maybe ~= 100km, but == 60 nm. One nautical mile is exactly one minute of arc. Say again which system was naturally suited for all things geo? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 1.3
2009/11/24 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Maybe ~= 100km, but == 60 nm. One nautical mile is exactly one minute of Because they estimated the circumference to 36,000km, but it's over 40,000km arc. Say again which system was naturally suited for all things geo? 1 nautical mile is exactly 1852m Actual circumference of the earth: 40,075.02 KM (equatorial) 40,007.86 KM (meridional) 40,041.47 KM (mean) 1.852*60*360 = 40003.2 Yet another close approximation. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 1.3
2009/11/24 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 1 nautical mile is exactly 1852m Sorry, it was set to 1853m. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautical_mile ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Noordelijke mapping party - Update
Afgelopen zaterdag zijn Rik, Theo, Theun, Taede en ondergetekende bezig geweest in Veendam. Het was een prima nazomer dag. Droog en een comfortabel temperatuurtje. Er zijn een behoorlijke hoeveelheid fouten uit de KeepRight en OpenStreetBugs opgelost. Er is een begin gemaakt met addresseringen, een nieuwe woonwijk compleet gemaakt, ontbrekende fietspaden toegevoegd, enz. Mogelijk is nog niet alles verwerkt. Om een indruk te krijgen: Zie hier de verbeteringen in KeepRight http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_EUzoom=14lat=53.09883lon=6.87711layers=B00Tch=0%2C30%2C40%2C50%2C60%2C70%2C90%2C100%2C110%2C120%2C130%2C150%2C160%2C170%2C180%2C191%2C192%2C193%2C194%2C201%2C202%2C203%2C204%2C210%2C220%2C231%2C232%2C270%2C281%2C282%2C283%2C284show_ign=1show_tmpign=1 en in de OpenStreetBugs: http://bugs.openstreetmap.nl/?zoom=14lat=53.09461lon=6.87236layers=B00T Al met al best een succes. Volgend jaar zal er absoluut weer een nieuwe bijeenkomst ergens in het noorden gaan plaatsvinden. Gr, Henk Op 18 november 2009 19:20 schreef Henk Hoff h...@toffehoff.nl het volgende: Inmiddels zijn de gebouwen in Veendam ook al op de kaart. Dit op basis van 3D-Shapes. Maar daarover later meer... Hoe dan ook. A.s. zaterdag kun je helpen Veendam te verbeteren. Wanneer je nog een lift nodig hebt vanaf station Assen of Groningen, laat dan ook even een berichtje achter bij mij of Taede. Tot in Veendam? Gr, Henk Op 10 november 2009 00:27 schreef Henk Hoff h...@toffehoff.nl het volgende: Mensen, Inmiddels heb ik een locatie gevonden om als uitvalsbasis te dienen: Hotel Parkzicht; of beter gezegd het Cafe erbij: Grand Cafe 't Plein. Zie voor de details de wiki-pagina. Graag ook even hier aanmelden wanneer je van plan bent te komen. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Netherlands_Mapping_Parties_2009#Noordelijke_mapping_party_-_21_november_2009 Gr, Henk Hoff ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] (Off-Topic) Ordnance Survey maps worden vrijgegeven
Interessante ontwikkeling voor OSM aan de overkant van het Kanaal: de Britse overheid gaat Ordnance Survey maps vanaf 1:1 en hoger vrijgevenhttp://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/2009/11/gordon-brown-announces-os-maps-to-be-free-online/. Dit als gevolg van een Free-our-data actiehttp://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/free-our-datavan de Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/free-our-data(motto: give us back our crown jewels). Aardige column http://geothought.blogspot.com/2009/11/openstreetmap-helps-free-ordnance.htmlover wat dit betekent voor OSM in de UK. Wim ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Noordelijke mapping party - Update
Henk, als je het hebt over het 3Dshapes-bestand van ObjectVision, dat een tijdje op hun website heeft gestaan, dan is een waarschuwing wel op zijn plaats: ik heb eens voor een ander doeleinde navraag gedaan naar de herbruikbaarheid (licentietechnisch) van dit bestand, en kreeg als reactie dat ze het onde druk van het Kadaster van de site hebben gehaald, denkelijk omdat het om een afgeleid werk gaat van Top10NL / TOp10Vector. Ik vind dat we extreem voorzichtig moeten zijn met het importeren van data waarvan niet onomstoten is vastgesteld dat we hiermee juridisch kunnen wegkomen. Ik zie trouwens dat alle zorgvuldig handgetekende gebouwen (met binnentuinen) uit de Pijp zijn verdwenen. Zelfde import? Dat vind ik jammer! martijn van exel http://schaaltreinen.nl/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2009/11/18 Henk Hoff h...@toffehoff.nl: Inmiddels zijn de gebouwen in Veendam ook al op de kaart. Dit op basis van 3D-Shapes. Maar daarover later meer... Hoe dan ook. A.s. zaterdag kun je helpen Veendam te verbeteren. Wanneer je nog een lift nodig hebt vanaf station Assen of Groningen, laat dan ook even een berichtje achter bij mij of Taede. Tot in Veendam? Gr, Henk Op 10 november 2009 00:27 schreef Henk Hoff h...@toffehoff.nl het volgende: Mensen, Inmiddels heb ik een locatie gevonden om als uitvalsbasis te dienen: Hotel Parkzicht; of beter gezegd het Cafe erbij: Grand Cafe 't Plein. Zie voor de details de wiki-pagina. Graag ook even hier aanmelden wanneer je van plan bent te komen. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Netherlands_Mapping_Parties_2009#Noordelijke_mapping_party_-_21_november_2009 Gr, Henk Hoff ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Noordelijke mapping party - Update
Licentie van het moment van downloaden was ccbysa. Stefan Op 23 nov 2009 om 17:27 heeft Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven:\ Henk, als je het hebt over het 3Dshapes-bestand van ObjectVision, dat een tijdje op hun website heeft gestaan, dan is een waarschuwing wel op zijn plaats: ik heb eens voor een ander doeleinde navraag gedaan naar de herbruikbaarheid (licentietechnisch) van dit bestand, en kreeg als reactie dat ze het onde druk van het Kadaster van de site hebben gehaald, denkelijk omdat het om een afgeleid werk gaat van Top10NL / TOp10Vector. Ik vind dat we extreem voorzichtig moeten zijn met het importeren van data waarvan niet onomstoten is vastgesteld dat we hiermee juridisch kunnen wegkomen. Ik zie trouwens dat alle zorgvuldig handgetekende gebouwen (met binnentuinen) uit de Pijp zijn verdwenen. Zelfde import? Dat vind ik jammer! martijn van exel http://schaaltreinen.nl/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2009/11/18 Henk Hoff h...@toffehoff.nl: Inmiddels zijn de gebouwen in Veendam ook al op de kaart. Dit op basis van 3D-Shapes. Maar daarover later meer... Hoe dan ook. A.s. zaterdag kun je helpen Veendam te verbeteren. Wanneer je nog een lift nodig hebt vanaf station Assen of Groningen, laat dan ook even een berichtje achter bij mij of Taede. Tot in Veendam? Gr, Henk Op 10 november 2009 00:27 schreef Henk Hoff h...@toffehoff.nl het volgende: Mensen, Inmiddels heb ik een locatie gevonden om als uitvalsbasis te dienen: Hotel Parkzicht; of beter gezegd het Cafe erbij: Grand Cafe 't Plein. Zie voor de details de wiki-pagina. Graag ook even hier aanmelden wanneer je van plan bent te komen. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Netherlands_Mapping_Parties_2009#Noordelijke_mapping_party_-_21_november_2009 Gr, Henk Hoff ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Noordelijke mapping party - Update
Stefan de Konink wrote: Licentie van het moment van downloaden was ccbysa. Stefan Op 23 nov 2009 om 17:27 heeft Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven:\ Henk, als je het hebt over het 3Dshapes-bestand van ObjectVision, dat een tijdje op hun website heeft gestaan, dan is een waarschuwing wel op zijn plaats: ik heb eens voor een ander doeleinde navraag gedaan naar de herbruikbaarheid (licentietechnisch) van dit bestand, en kreeg als reactie dat ze het onde druk van het Kadaster van de site hebben gehaald, denkelijk omdat het om een afgeleid werk gaat van Top10NL / TOp10Vector. Ik vind dat we extreem voorzichtig moeten zijn met het importeren van data waarvan niet onomstoten is vastgesteld dat we hiermee juridisch kunnen wegkomen. Het lijkt er toch sterk op dat als er sprake is van schending dat OSM (of *wij*) vrijuit gaan. Al zou het ze er niet van weerhouden een 'cease and desist' brief te schrijven... Zou die dan naar Cloudemade gezonden worden? We hoeven strafrechtelijk denk ik niets te vrezen, al is het maar om ter goede trouw handelen. Geef wel ff een seintje dan kan ik iig een kopie van Delft maken ;-) :P Mvg, Remy ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Noordelijke mapping party - Update
++ 23/11/09 17:45 +0100 - Stefan de Konink: Licentie van het moment van downloaden was ccbysa. Gezien Martijn's bedenkingen is het wellicht zinvol om iets uitgebreider te zijn. Zou je misschien kunnen aangegeven op basis waarvan je de claim kunt maken dat het om CC BY-SA gelicentieerd materiaal gaat? -- Rejo Zenger . r...@zenger.nl . 0x21DBEFD4 . https://rejo.zenger.nl GPG encrypted e-mail prefered. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Noordelijke mapping party - Update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 R. Bosch schreef: Het lijkt er toch sterk op dat als er sprake is van schending dat OSM (of *wij*) vrijuit gaan. Oh het is vrij simpel; 3dshapes was CC-BY-NC. Daar hebben we in ieder geval (tijdelijk) CC-BY-SA kunnen maken. Onder de voorwaarden van de Creative Commons dus een licentie voor kopiëren en gebruiken van gekregen. Wat dat betreft is dat dus richting OSM afgedekt. Ik heb op de rest van mijn reply even [knip] gedaan. Neem van mij aan dat ik Lennard voldoende heb ingelicht en ik voldoende emails in mijn inbox heb over 3dshapes dat ik niet zomaar zeg 'dit kan zonder problemen'. Dat deze (en alle andere imports) met een losse user zijn gedaan laat reverten ook toe, dus zelfs als ik en [] fout zitten dan kunnen we altijd nog terug. Al zou het ze er niet van weerhouden een 'cease and desist' brief te schrijven... Zou die dan naar Cloudemade gezonden worden? Wat heeft Cloudemade met OSM te maken? Geef wel ff een seintje dan kan ik iig een kopie van Delft maken ;-) :P http://mirror.openstreetmap.nl/ voor al uw 'illegale' zaken. Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAksK/u4ACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn1VLgCgghvQJl7RL/rhMqg55RDq/HRj 35IAmwdDU4tyglOorrZKbRU9wwYnwefF =eKwM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] intransparantie m.b.t. rechtmatigheid geimporteerde data (was: Re: Noordelijke mapping party - Update)
++ 23/11/09 22:31 +0100 - Stefan de Konink: Licentie van het moment van downloaden was ccbysa. Gezien Martijn's bedenkingen is het wellicht zinvol om iets uitgebreider te zijn. Zou je misschien kunnen aangegeven op basis waarvan je de claim kunt maken dat het om CC BY-SA gelicentieerd materiaal gaat? Zoals afgesproken niet op de publieke lijst. Eeuh? Ik vind dit persoonlijk een bijzonder vreemd antwoord. Ik weet ook best dat CC BY-SA geen verplichting met zich mee brengt bewijs voor de rechtmatigheid van het gebruik te openbaren. Desondanks lijkt me dat wel een bijzonder gezond uitgangspunt voor een project als OpenStreetMap. Voor mij gaat OpenStreetMap over de openheid, de toegangelijkheid en de transparatie van data. Dat gaat mijn inziens om geografische informatie, maar ook om hetgeen wat daar direct een relatie mee heeft. Het niet- publiekelijke zijn van het bewijs voor de rechtmatigheid van het gebruik van de informatie die aan deze import ten grondslag ligt, is mijn inziens daarmee strijdig. Ik heb geen reden om aan de juridische correctheid te twijfelen. Het tegenovergestelde overigens ook niet. -- Rejo Zenger . r...@zenger.nl . 0x21DBEFD4 . https://rejo.zenger.nl GPG encrypted e-mail prefered. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] intransparantie m.b.t. rechtmatigheid geimporteerde data
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Rejo Zenger schreef: ++ 23/11/09 22:31 +0100 - Stefan de Konink: Licentie van het moment van downloaden was ccbysa. Gezien Martijn's bedenkingen is het wellicht zinvol om iets uitgebreider te zijn. Zou je misschien kunnen aangegeven op basis waarvan je de claim kunt maken dat het om CC BY-SA gelicentieerd materiaal gaat? Zoals afgesproken niet op de publieke lijst. Eeuh? Ik vind dit persoonlijk een bijzonder vreemd antwoord. Ik ben blij dat jij het persoonlijk een erg vreemd antwoord vindt. Ik investeer in mijn relaties om voor OSM data te verkrijgen. Ik ga niet al mijn (non-)WOB mailtjes publiceren op talk-nl en alles wat er toedoet staat op bestaande geo data hergebruiken. Oftewel kijk eens op onze blog terug; http://blog.openstreetmap.nl/index.php/2009/03/02/een-mirror-en-nieuwe-data/ Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAksLBooACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn3F0ACeJzOnTLCaZ2bMpjU/qCIwxYiE xDEAnjAcb7NIaTNpg811OWtKTJN0hReF =gmp/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Noordelijke mapping party - Update
2009/11/23 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 R. Bosch schreef: Het lijkt er toch sterk op dat als er sprake is van schending dat OSM (of *wij*) vrijuit gaan. Oh het is vrij simpel; 3dshapes was CC-BY-NC. Daar hebben we in ieder geval (tijdelijk) CC-BY-SA kunnen maken. Onder de voorwaarden van de Creative Commons dus een licentie voor kopiëren en gebruiken van gekregen. Wat dat betreft is dat dus richting OSM afgedekt. Ik heb op de rest van mijn reply even [knip] gedaan. Neem van mij aan dat ik Lennard voldoende heb ingelicht en ik voldoende emails in mijn inbox heb over 3dshapes dat ik niet zomaar zeg 'dit kan zonder problemen'. Dat deze (en alle andere imports) met een losse user zijn gedaan laat reverten ook toe, dus zelfs als ik en [] fout zitten dan kunnen we altijd nog terug. Ik denk dat het dan zinvol is om e.e.a. op de Wiki te zetten zodat het voor eenieder traceerbaar is. Als er straks een enthousiasteling van het kadaster OSM gaat vergelijken met de Top10 bouwvlakken en ziet dat deze precies hetzelfde zijn, dan moet hij kunnen zien waar wij die dingen vandaan hebben en dat wij gerechtigd zijn (of ten tijde van de import / download waren - ik weet niet wat dat juridisch waard is trouwens) om die polygonen toe te voegen aan OSM. Martijn ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] intransparantie m.b.t. rechtmatigheid geimporteerde data
On Monday 23 November 2009 23:02:50 Stefan de Konink wrote: Oftewel kijk eens op onze blog terug; http://blog.openstreetmap.nl/index.php/2009/03/02/een-mirror-en-nieuwe-data Hee, ik lees daar dat er ook hoogte-informatie beschikbaar is, waarom is dat niet meegenomen bij de import? -- Freek ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Noordelijke mapping party - Update
2009/11/24 Martijn van Exel mve...@gmail.com: 2009/11/23 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 R. Bosch schreef: Het lijkt er toch sterk op dat als er sprake is van schending dat OSM (of *wij*) vrijuit gaan. Oh het is vrij simpel; 3dshapes was CC-BY-NC. Daar hebben we in ieder geval (tijdelijk) CC-BY-SA kunnen maken. Onder de voorwaarden van de Creative Commons dus een licentie voor kopiëren en gebruiken van gekregen. Wat dat betreft is dat dus richting OSM afgedekt. Ik heb op de rest van mijn reply even [knip] gedaan. Neem van mij aan dat ik Lennard voldoende heb ingelicht en ik voldoende emails in mijn inbox heb over 3dshapes dat ik niet zomaar zeg 'dit kan zonder problemen'. Dat deze (en alle andere imports) met een losse user zijn gedaan laat reverten ook toe, dus zelfs als ik en [] fout zitten dan kunnen we altijd nog terug. Ik denk dat het dan zinvol is om e.e.a. op de Wiki te zetten zodat het voor eenieder traceerbaar is. Als er straks een enthousiasteling van het kadaster OSM gaat vergelijken met de Top10 bouwvlakken en ziet dat deze precies hetzelfde zijn, dan moet hij kunnen zien waar wij die dingen vandaan hebben en dat wij gerechtigd zijn (of ten tijde van de import / download waren - ik weet niet wat dat juridisch waard is trouwens) om die polygonen toe te voegen aan OSM. Martijn Ik zie dat je dit grotendeels al gedaan hebt trouwens, my bad, niet goed gezocht. Wat er evt. nog aan toegevoegd zou kunnen worden is een afschrift van de correspondentie die de formele toestemming bevat. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Objectvision martijn van exel http://schaaltreinen.nl/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[talk-au] Nearmap Gold Coast
Nearmap (http://www.nearmap.com/) now has imagery available for the Gold Coast, QLD area. For further updates, follow http://twitter.com/nearmap. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Nearmap Gold Coast
Argh, never mind, I think it was a caching issue. I had been trying it out the last few days. Quoting morb@beagle.com.au: Quoting Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Nearmap (http://www.nearmap.com/) now has imagery available for the Gold Coast, QLD area. There seems to be a bug just now where you go to zoom level 13, then as you scroll in the resolution doesn't seem to get any better ... I almost gave up on it. May I recommend you persevere until zoom level 18 where the detailed imagery kicks in. This trick works for at least the Surfers Paradise, Robina and Varsity Lakes areas. Here's the Q1 building: http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-28.006205,153.429968z=18t=h Brendan ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-de] Handy für OSM
Am 19. November 2009 23:42 schrieb Dieter Jasper dieter_jas...@web.de: Hallo Liste, da ich nun als bisher Handy-Vereigerer ein Handy brauche, hätte ich gerne Info über Handys ,die auch gut für OSM geeignet sind: - GPS-Funkion - Sprachaufzeichnung, Synchronistion mir JOS möglich - Bidaufzeichnung, Synchrosination mit JOS möglich - Betriebssysten, optiomal für derzeitge und zukünftige Anwendungprogramme - und was sonst noch wichtig wäre Denke für Datenerfassung von POI's, Korekkturen aller Art der Datenbasis OSM, Erfassen von Hausnummer, maxspeed, usw. korrigiert mich, wenn ich irre, aber nach allem was ich bisher gehoert habe gibt es kein Handy, das einem reinen GPS in Punkto Genauigkeit, Batteriedauer oder Bedienkomfort das Wasser reichen kann. Gruss Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Handy für OSM
qbert biker qbe...@gmx.de wrote: Als Windows- und iPhoneverweigerer bin ich am ueberlegen ob ich mir ein Nokia N900 zulege. dto. Kamera, GPS Co ist alles an Bord und getrieben wird das Ding offensichtlich von einem recht originalem Linux. OSM2GO wird da schonmal sicher laufen. Sven -- Trotz der zunehmenden Verbreitung von Linux erfreut sich der Bär, und - dank Knut - insbesondere der Eisbär, deutlich größerer Beliebtheit als der Pinguin. (Gefunden bei http://telepolis.de/) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] NaviPOWM 0.2.3 freigegeben - Planet komplett
Hallo zusammen, die MAP-Files für NaviPOWM (0.2.3) stehen nun für den ganzen Planeten zur Verfügung! Ich ergänze die Teile, die in den Geofabrik-Kontinenten fehlen mit Abfragen an die XAPI. Alle Daten und Infos unter: http://wince.dentro.info/koord/osm/ Falls noch etwas fehlt, bitte Info an mich! Gruß, Stefan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Handy für OSM
Mit welchem reinen gps kannst du denn live daten eintragen? Das ist alles eine frage der software(bis auf die laufzeit). Ich habe mir z.B. ein gebrauchtes telefon von htc zugelegt. Unter schwierigen bedingungen schlägt es sich teils besser als das garmin, zudem hat es eine tastatur und seit kurzem läuft der android-port recht gut und einen einfachen osm-editor gibts auch (vespucci) Bleibt das Problem mit der fehlenden Geoid-Undulation... Aber warum sollte man sich ein zusätzliches Gerät anschaffen, wenn man nur hin und wieder etwas aufzeichnen will? Gruß, Martin 23.11.2009 10:04 schrieb am Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 19. November 2009 23:42 schrieb Dieter Jasper dieter_jas...@web.de: Hallo Liste, da ich nun als bisher Handy-Vereigerer ein Handy brauche, hätte ich gerne Info ... korrigiert mich, wenn ich irre, aber nach allem was ich bisher gehoert habe gibt es kein Handy, das einem reinen GPS in Punkto Genauigkeit, Batteriedauer oder Bedienkomfort das Wasser reichen kann. Gruss Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Merkwürdig(?): Zeitsprung in O SM-Daten ??
Hallo Liste, ich habe eine Frage zu OSM-Veränderungen. Aus einem File Osnabrueck_april.osm (wurde vor kurzem sauber erstellt aus dem world-planet-osm-file): node id=304318568 version=1 timestamp=2008-10-23T15:27:33Z uid=36317 user=Kai Behncke lat=52.2788693 lon=8.0795906 tag k=name v=Gasthof Bachmayers/ tag k=amenity v=restaurant/ /node Sehr merkwürdig dann: osnabrueck_november.osm node id=304318568 version=2 timestamp=2008-10-23T16:27:33Z uid=36317 user=Kai Behncke changeset=535155 lat=52.2788693 lon=8.0795906 tag k=amenity v=restaurant/ tag k=name v=Gasthof Bachmayers/ /node Auf ein mal ist der Timestamp eine Stunde später??? Wird da irgendwie zusätzliche Winterzeit einberechnet oder so? Faktisch ist bei dem Objekt sonst ja alles gleich geblieben. Das Problem ist, dass mir ein solches Objekt dann bei einem Vergleich April-Nov. durch den timestamp als Veränderung angezeigt wird :-( Kennt jemand einen Weg dieses Problem zu lösen? Merkwürdig ist eben: Wenn ich mir die Historie anschaue: http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/node/304318568/history ...dann steht dort als aktueller Timestamp (ist er ja scheinbar auch) --- 2008-10-23T16:27:33Z nur warum taucht dieser im April_09.osm-File nicht auf?? Es sieht so aus, als habe es zwischen April 09 und November 09 einen Zeitprung gegeben?? Viele Grüße, Kai -- Preisknaller: GMX DSL Flatrate für nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Merkwürdig(?): Zeitsprung in O SM-Daten ??
Kai Behncke schrieb: Es sieht so aus, als habe es zwischen April 09 und November 09 einen Zeitprung gegeben?? Neuer Probelauf des LHC? scnr, olvagor ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Merkwürdig(?): Zeitsprung in O SM-Daten ??
Kai Behncke schrieb: Es sieht so aus, als habe es zwischen April 09 und November 09 einen Zeitprung gegeben?? Dazwischen gab es eine Sommer- auf Winterzeitumstellung - kann es damit irgendwie zusammenhängen? Garry ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Merkwürdig(?): Zeitsprung in O SM-Daten ??
Hallo, Kai Behncke wrote: Es sieht so aus, als habe es zwischen April 09 und November 09 einen Zeitprung gegeben?? Das April-File ist noch aus einer Zeit, als der Backend-Server mit MySQL betrieben wurde. Mittlerweile haben wir PostgreSQL. Es ist durchaus moeglich, dass bei der Umstellung da irgendwie die Zeitzonen durcheinander gekommen sind. Je nachdem, was Du genau vorhast, wuerde ich Objekte nur dann als geaendert markieren, wenn sich wirklich was dran geaendert hat (Position oder Tags oder bei Ways die Liste der Nodes usw.), nicht, wenn sich nur die Metadaten aendern (Timestamp, Version oder Autor). Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Doppelte Nodes - verdoppelung in zwei Wochen?!
Hallo zusammen, Ich lasse gelegentlich Gary86s Doublenode-Script[1] über die Schweiz laufen. Hier die Ergebnisse: DatumDoppelte Nodes 04.09.2009 4832 01.10.2009 3069 01.11.2009 4256 05.11.2009 4256 07.11.2009 4258 11.11.2009 4048 13.11.2009 4069 14.11.2009 4058 19.11.2009 7384 20.11.2009 7390 22.11.2009 8905 Wie man sieht, hat sich die Zahl vom 14.11. bis heute mehr als verdoppelt! Wie finde ich am einfachsten heraus, wer/was das verursacht haben könnte? Am Script wurde in der Zwischenzeit nichts verändert. Leider bricht bei mir* OSMdiff[2] mit out of memory ab. Die entsprechenden Planet-Extrakte sowie die Script-Reporte habe ich auf meinem Server abgelegt: http://osm.t-i.ch/tmp/ Gruss, Thomas * Windows Vista, 3 GB Arbeitsspeicher [1] http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/gary68/checkdoublenodes.pl [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmdiff ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Openlayers oder Mapstraction
Am Donnerstag, 19. November 2009 schrieb Sebastian Klemm: Ja, das ist der Standard-Start-Mittelpunkt der Karte. Die Zoomstufe steht in der nächsten Zeile, hier 12: if (!map.getCenter()) map.setCenter (lonLat, 12); Danke, diese Bedingung war offenbar nicht erfüllt (auch ohne Parameter in der URL) - ich habe sie weggenommen und rufe nun map.setCenter() unbedingt auf. So klappt es. Die Grundfunktionalität ist auf http://www.skolelinux.no/testskoler/map/openlayers.html zu sehen. (Unter welcher Lizenz steht der Code eigentlich?) Es gibt eine PHP-Seite mit einem Formular, wo sich Schulen eintragen können. Am meisten Fehler passieren bei den Koordinaten. Da wäre es doch nett, wenn man einen Locator setzen könnte, der die Daten direkt ins Formular übernimmt. Ist das mit vertretbarem Aufwand machbar? Danke Gruß Ralf ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Doppelte Nodes - verdoppelung in zwei Wochen?!
Am Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:27:57 +0100 schrieb Thomas Ineichen: Hallo zusammen, Ich lasse gelegentlich Gary86s Doublenode-Script[1] über die Schweiz laufen. Hier die Ergebnisse: DatumDoppelte Nodes [...] 14.11.2009 4058 19.11.2009 7384 20.11.2009 7390 22.11.2009 8905 Es wird nicht besser.. :-( Ergebnis von heute: 23.11.2009 10127 Es sind also in 24 Stunden wieder über 1000 neue Nodes dazugekommen! Gruss, Thomas - Upload folgt ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] ... und was ist mit dem Südpol?
Die Beiden haben den Platz getauscht ;) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=0lon=0zoom=19 MfG, Chris. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Doppelte Nodes - verdoppelung in zwei Wochen?!
hi, nimm doch mal nur einen teil der schweiz. oder das programm UserActivity. Ciao Gerhard On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 14:27 +0100, Thomas Ineichen wrote: Hallo zusammen, Ich lasse gelegentlich Gary86s Doublenode-Script[1] über die Schweiz laufen. Hier die Ergebnisse: DatumDoppelte Nodes 04.09.2009 4832 01.10.2009 3069 01.11.2009 4256 05.11.2009 4256 07.11.2009 4258 11.11.2009 4048 13.11.2009 4069 14.11.2009 4058 19.11.2009 7384 20.11.2009 7390 22.11.2009 8905 Wie man sieht, hat sich die Zahl vom 14.11. bis heute mehr als verdoppelt! Wie finde ich am einfachsten heraus, wer/was das verursacht haben könnte? Am Script wurde in der Zwischenzeit nichts verändert. Leider bricht bei mir* OSMdiff[2] mit out of memory ab. Die entsprechenden Planet-Extrakte sowie die Script-Reporte habe ich auf meinem Server abgelegt: http://osm.t-i.ch/tmp/ Gruss, Thomas * Windows Vista, 3 GB Arbeitsspeicher [1] http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/gary68/checkdoublenodes.pl [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmdiff ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] wiki+rules zum Schutzgebiete kartieren: Nationalpark, Naturschutzgebiet, etc.
Hallo, Am 20. November 2009 08:05 schrieb tshrub my-email-confirmat...@online.de: ein paar mehr Schutzgebiet-Unterscheidungen als NtP und NSG waren m.E. nötig. Ich habe hier ein System zusammengestellt: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary=protected_area http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Protected_Area_Rendering#Other_Ways Was haltet ihr davon? Habt ihr dazu ggf. Ideen oder Verbesserungen? Schön, dass Du Dich der Sache angenommen hast. Wenn ich Deinen Vorschlag richtig deute, dann setzt Du boundary=protected_area mehr oder weniger mit innerhalb dieser Grenzen wird die Natur geschützt, damit sie als solche erhalten bleibt. Wie verhält sich Dein Vorschlag beispielsweise zu Trinkwasserschutzgebieten. Auch das sind geschützte Gebiete und somit nach meinem Verständnis boundary=protected_area[s]. Vermutlich gibt es ähnliches auch noch in anderen Bereichen. Das von Dir gewählte Tag könnte also Sinnvoll auch auf andere Bereiche angewendet werden. So wie Du es jetzt vorschlägst erschwerst du eine entsprechende zukünftige Verwendung in anderen Bereichen. Dein boundary=protected_area ist eigentlich ein boundary=nature_protected_area ohne dass man (oder der Renderer) es aus dem verwendeten Schema erkennen kann. Eine andere Frage ist, ob Du mit deinem Schema auch verschiedene Schutzzonen kennzeichnen kannst. Im Nationalpark beispielsweise gibt es verschiedene Schutzzonen. Die Kernzone beispielsweise ist für Besucher tabu, wogegen die anderen Zonen zumindest auf wegen betreten oder sogar noch bewirtschaftet werden dürfen. Gruß, Falk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] layer=0
Hier gibts noch interessante Arbeit für Layer-Spezialisten: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.76169lon=113.58032zoom=17 Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] [Fwd: Anfrage der Westdeutschen Allgemeinen Zeitung]
Hallo Liste, ist denn wirklich keiner aus Bochum auf der Liste? Bräuchte dringend einen Kontakt (s.u.). Grüße Christian (OSM Presse) Christian Hartnick schrieb: Hallo Liste, ich such für die WAZ einen Mapper-Kontakt in Bochum (s.u.). Bitte Mails an ich, damit die gute Frau nicht überschwemmt wird (Bochum soll ja sehr aktiv sein). Grüße Christian (OSM Presse) Original-Nachricht Betreff: Anfrage der Westdeutschen Allgemeinen Zeitung Datum:Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:09:42 +0100 Von: m.decl...@waz.de An: o...@postkammer.de Lieber Herr Hartnick, wie gerade telefonisch besprochen, schicke ich Ihnen meine Anfrage per Mail zum Weiterleiten. Für die Redaktion Bochum suche ich den Kontakt zu hier aktiven Kartographen von openstreetmap.de, um über das Projekt aus lokaler Perspektive berichten zu können. Ich freue mich darauf, von jemandem zu hören. Vom 24. bis 30. November habe ich Urlaub, davor oder danach bin ich aber jederzeit unter dieser Mailadresse und Telefonnummer zu erreichen. Vielen Dank und viele Grüße - Monique de Cleur Volontärin Journalistenschule Ruhr GmbH Schederhofstraße 55-57 45145 Essen Zur Zeit: WAZ-Redaktion Bochum Huestraße 25 44787 Bochum Tel.: 0234/966-1434 Fax: 0234/966-1477 E-Mail: m.decl...@waz.de - ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen besser als Tags?
Original-Nachricht Datum: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:04:51 +0100 Von: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com An: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch talk-de@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Relationen besser als Tags? das halte ich nach wie vor fuer einen umstaendlichen und vor allem unnoetig abstrakten Weg, die Realitaet abzubilden. Zudem verliert man Lagedetails. Ein klein wenig abstrakt vielleicht, aber gleich unnoetig abstrakt? Und die Lagedetails, die man verliert, sind meist pseudogenau. Radwege werden z.b. gerne mal im Abstand der Visualisierung angepasst und auch wenn nicht ist die Angabe 'dieser Bereich ist 3m breit' fast immer genauer als der versuch, parallele Linien per Hand reinzumalen. Ich habe in der Vergangenheit hier schon Beispiele gepostet (zugegebenermassen extreme), wo man am Ende auf ueber 30 einzelne virtuelle Spuren kommt. Und warum nimmt man nicht die 95% der Wege zum vorbild, die nicht extrem sind und macht fuer die eine passende Abstraktion? Fuer die 5% Rest kann man dann immer noch ueberlegen, ob man aufdroeselt. Da blickt man selbst mit Editorunterstuetzung kaum noch durch, vor allem, weil diese Spueren ja noìicht durchgaengig laufen, sondern irgendwo anfangen und aufhoeren (d.h. splitten waere auch da ziemlich oft noetig). Kommt eben auf den Editor an, das im link gezeigte Plugin macht das alles schon ganz handlich. Und zum splitten: Auch beim Ansatz mit eigenen ways fuer jede Spur wird gesplittet und nicht zu knapp. Aber nicht nur eindimensional wie beim Vorschlag hier, sondern das ganze Netz wird gespreizt. Ich plaediere fuer den Ansatz, die Spuren und divider separat zu mappen, und dann ueber Relationen die Verbindung bzw. den Bezug herzustellen (z.B. auch, wenn es eine trennende Mauer ist, aber auch, um bei parallelen Spuren eine unterbrochene oder durchgezogene Linie abzubilden). Wenn es eine physische Trennung (Mauer, Gruenstreifen) gibt, wird ja i.A. schon immer mit getrennten ways gearbeitet. Neben der erhoehten Lagegenauigkeit sehe ich dabei auch einen Vorteil in der unmittelbaren Abbildung der Realitaet (einfacher fuer den Mapper), und auch ohne extreme Erweiterung der Tools ist das Resultat besser nachvollziehbar und optisch ueberpruefbar. Ich bezweifle eben, dass ein ganzes Geflecht von ways besser handhabbar ist als ein way, dessen Gestalt ueber Zusatzinfos ausgearbeitet ist. Besonders bei den Relationen, die die Beziehungen der Spuren untereinander klaeren sollen, bin ich bei Einzelways skeptisch. Gruesse Hubert -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3.5 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/chbrowser ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Doppelte Nodes - verdoppelung in zwei Wochen?!
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 02:27:57PM +0100, Thomas Ineichen wrote: Hallo zusammen, Ich lasse gelegentlich Gary86s Doublenode-Script[1] über die Schweiz laufen. Hier die Ergebnisse: DatumDoppelte Nodes 04.09.2009 4832 01.10.2009 3069 01.11.2009 4256 05.11.2009 4256 07.11.2009 4258 11.11.2009 4048 13.11.2009 4069 14.11.2009 4058 19.11.2009 7384 20.11.2009 7390 22.11.2009 8905 Wie man sieht, hat sich die Zahl vom 14.11. bis heute mehr als verdoppelt! Wie finde ich am einfachsten heraus, wer/was das verursacht haben könnte? Am Script wurde in der Zwischenzeit nichts verändert. Leider bricht bei mir* OSMdiff[2] mit out of memory ab. Die entsprechenden Planet-Extrakte sowie die Script-Reporte habe ich auf meinem Server abgelegt: http://osm.t-i.ch/tmp/ Ich habe dir mal schnell ein Diff zwischen den beiden HTMLs vom 14. und 20., sowie 20. und 23., gemacht: http://osm.lonvia.de/stuff/nodediff_14_20.txt http://osm.lonvia.de/stuff/nodediff_20_23.txt Weitere Nachforschungen überlasse ich dir. (Falls es interessiert, unter Linux einfach die Holzhammermethode: grep 'http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node' 2009-11-14-double.html | grep -o '[[:digit:]]\+' | sort -u 14.out grep 'http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node' 2009-11-20-double.html | grep -o '[[:digit:]]\+' | sort -u 20.out diff 14.out 20.out ) Gruss Sarah ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Openlayers oder Mapstraction
RalfGesellensetter schrieb:
Am Donnerstag, 19. November 2009 schrieb Sebastian Klemm:
Ja, das ist der Standard-Start-Mittelpunkt der Karte. Die Zoomstufe
steht in der nächsten Zeile, hier 12:
if (!map.getCenter()) map.setCenter (lonLat, 12);
Danke, diese Bedingung war offenbar nicht erfüllt (auch ohne Parameter
in der URL) - ich habe sie weggenommen und rufe nun map.setCenter()
unbedingt auf. So klappt es.
Hmm, so funktioniert aber scheinbar der Aufruf mit Koordinaten mittels
URL-Parametern nicht mehr. Falls Du das brauchst, dann bau einfach noch
die folgenden Zeilen für einen Permalink in Deine JS init() Funktion
ein, dann sollte es auch mit der obigen Bedingung wieder funktionieren,
frag aber bitte nicht warum... ;-)
this.permalink = new OpenLayers.Control.Permalink('permalink');
map.addControl(this.permalink);
Die Grundfunktionalität ist auf
http://www.skolelinux.no/testskoler/map/openlayers.html zu sehen.
Ahh, nett - das Verbreitungsgebiet des gemeinen Tux :-)
(Unter welcher Lizenz steht der Code eigentlich?)
Laut [1]:
OpenLayers is completely free, Open Source JavaScript, released under a
BSD-style License.
Die komplette Lizenz als Text gibts unter [2].
Es gibt eine PHP-Seite mit einem Formular, wo sich Schulen eintragen
können. Am meisten Fehler passieren bei den Koordinaten. Da wäre es doch
nett, wenn man einen Locator setzen könnte, der die Daten direkt ins
Formular übernimmt. Ist das mit vertretbarem Aufwand machbar?
Du meinst eine Möglichkeit wie Klicken Sie auf der Karte an dem Ort, wo
sich Ihre Schule befindet um die genauen Koordinaten zu erhalten?
Das sollte mit etwas Javascript möglich sein. Schau Dir evtl. mal den
Code [3] von OpenStreetBugs [4] an, dort wird sowas ähnliches gemacht um
neue Fehler einzutragen. Da lässt sich bestimmt was verwenden...
Viele Grüße
Sebastian
[1] http://www.openlayers.org/
[2] http://svn.openlayers.org/trunk/openlayers/license.txt
[3] http://github.com/emka/openstreetbugs
[4] http://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org
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Re: [Talk-de] [Fwd: Anfrage der Westdeutschen Allgemeinen Zeitung]
Hi, hab's mal ins Forum kopiert. Ansonsten könntest Du die Bochumer Mapper ja noch direkt anmailen http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bochum#An_Bochum_beteiligen_sich Die Autoren-Liste aus JOSM schick ich Dir per Mail. Chris Christian Hartnick schrieb: Hallo Liste, ist denn wirklich keiner aus Bochum auf der Liste? Bräuchte dringend einen Kontakt (s.u.). Grüße Christian (OSM Presse) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Doppelte Nodes - verdoppelung in zwei Wochen?!
Am Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:09:27 +0100 schrieb Sarah Hoffmann: Hallo Sarah, Ich habe dir mal schnell ein Diff zwischen den beiden HTMLs vom 14. und 20., sowie 20. und 23., gemacht: http://osm.lonvia.de/stuff/nodediff_14_20.txt http://osm.lonvia.de/stuff/nodediff_20_23.txt Danke! Weitere Nachforschungen überlasse ich dir. Die erste Datei hat 1033 Einträge, wovon über 900 auf einen Potlatch-Fehler zurückzuführen sind, bei dem _ein_ einziger Kreisverkehr auf 917 Nodes aufgebläht wurde. Da z.B. 10 nebeneinander liegende Nodes 45 Einträge produzieren, wurde die Anzahl gefundener Doppel-Nodes so aufgebläht. (Ich habe diesen Fehler bereits vor ein paar Tagen in der Potlatch-Liste monniert, aber hier nicht bedacht, dass sich die Fehler derart multiplizieren.) In der zweiten Datei hat es über 5000 Nodes, wovon nach meiner Stichprobe die meisten von hdus und seinem Gewässer Import stammen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/hdus/edits Ich habe ihn nun angeschrieben und gebeten, dass er die Gewässer wieder in Ordnung bringt. (Falls es interessiert, unter Linux einfach die Holzhammermethode: grep 'http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node' 2009-11-14-double.html | grep -o '[[:digit:]]\+' | sort -u 14.out grep 'http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node' 2009-11-20-double.html | grep -o '[[:digit:]]\+' | sort -u 20.out diff 14.out 20.out ) Wenn das Holz genügend hart ist, kann man auch damit Nägel einschlagen.. ;) Gruss, Thomas ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Tags an Relations vs. Tags am Way
Hi! Es wird empfohlen, bei Multipolygon-Relationen bevorzugt Tags an der Relation zu setzen und nicht an den einzelnen Ways. Da die meisten Tools sowas noch nicht auswerten können, werden häufig auch zusätzlich die Tags direkt an den Ways gesetzt. Daß man bei solchen Konstrukten schnell die Übersicht verliert, zeigt eine Auswertung, die ich mal in den Lauf von Composer nebenbei eingebaut habe. Sie zeigt die Inkonsistenzen auf, die dabei in kurzer Zeit bereits entstanden sind. Die Liste beinhaltet die Ways nach folgenden Kritierien: - Multipolygon-Relationen in D/A/CH - Es sind Tags an der Relation gesetzt - Es gibt dieselben Tags auch direkt am Objekt - Der Inhalt der Tags an Relation und Way stimmt nicht überein Damit ist nicht mehr klar, was eigentlich gemeint ist bzw. welches Tag ein Tool letztendlich auswertet. bye Nop Conflicting relation tag CLC:code for way 42376705 Conflicting relation tag CLC:code for way 42463894 Conflicting relation tag CLC:code for way 43903898 Conflicting relation tag CLC:id for way 42376705 Conflicting relation tag CLC:id for way 42463894 Conflicting relation tag amenity for way 39685961 Conflicting relation tag amenity for way 39685962 Conflicting relation tag building for way 24595410 Conflicting relation tag building for way 33188113 Conflicting relation tag denomination for way 39671759 Conflicting relation tag landuse for way 25776616 Conflicting relation tag landuse for way 26519445 Conflicting relation tag landuse for way 27606108 Conflicting relation tag landuse for way 27774699 Conflicting relation tag landuse for way 28197648 Conflicting relation tag landuse for way 28462598 Conflicting relation tag landuse for way 30737036 Conflicting relation tag landuse for way 32977366 Conflicting relation tag landuse for way 35089567 Conflicting relation tag landuse for way 35089572 Conflicting relation tag landuse for way 35421524 Conflicting relation tag landuse for way 35797769 Conflicting relation tag landuse for way 39301364 Conflicting relation tag landuse for way 39301371 Conflicting relation tag landuse for way 42317300 Conflicting relation tag name for way 10054545 Conflicting relation tag name for way 13007353 Conflicting relation tag name for way 13207715 Conflicting relation tag name for way 13858691 Conflicting relation tag name for way 15241539 Conflicting relation tag name for way 15587527 Conflicting relation tag name for way 15805019 Conflicting relation tag name for way 15975049 Conflicting relation tag name for way 15976893 Conflicting relation tag name for way 17704533 Conflicting relation tag name for way 18650301 Conflicting relation tag name for way 18825494 Conflicting relation tag name for way 19428440 Conflicting relation tag name for way 21155836 Conflicting relation tag name for way 22737653 Conflicting relation tag name for way 22754798 Conflicting relation tag name for way 23065583 Conflicting relation tag name for way 23118578 Conflicting relation tag name for way 23213319 Conflicting relation tag name for way 23288215 Conflicting relation tag name for way 23321484 Conflicting relation tag name for way 2332 Conflicting relation tag name for way 23450045 Conflicting relation tag name for way 23837585 Conflicting relation tag name for way 24013646 Conflicting relation tag name for way 24238761 Conflicting relation tag name for way 24262321 Conflicting relation tag name for way 24378138 Conflicting relation tag name for way 24591269 Conflicting relation tag name for way 24694668 Conflicting relation tag name for way 24795974 Conflicting relation tag name for way 24938759 Conflicting relation tag name for way 25196339 Conflicting relation tag name for way 25533205 Conflicting relation tag name for way 25645566 Conflicting relation tag name for way 25791579 Conflicting relation tag name for way 25823946 Conflicting relation tag name for way 26419086 Conflicting relation tag name for way 26443912 Conflicting relation tag name for way 26519445 Conflicting relation tag name for way 26658759 Conflicting relation tag name for way 27066777 Conflicting relation tag name for way 27107749 Conflicting relation tag name for way 27145914 Conflicting relation tag name for way 27633228 Conflicting relation tag name for way 27633269 Conflicting relation tag name for way 27774699 Conflicting relation tag name for way 27774699 Conflicting relation tag name for way 27917646 Conflicting relation tag name for way 27917816 Conflicting relation tag name for way 28005571 Conflicting relation tag name for way 28197648 Conflicting relation tag name for way 28197648 Conflicting relation tag name for way 28359908 Conflicting relation tag name for way 28383739 Conflicting relation tag name for way 28465351 Conflicting relation tag name for way 28475228 Conflicting relation tag name for way 28520237 Conflicting relation tag name for way 28659446 Conflicting relation tag name for way 28692974 Conflicting relation tag name for way 28801457 Conflicting
Re: [Talk-in] Who else is attending foss.in ?
I will be there. ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] new tag for auto stand
i had made an icon for auto long back. ive added an indicator next to it which could indicate a metered or non metered stand. let me know if it ok On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.orgwrote: On Friday 20 Nov 2009 6:03:39 am Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: While autorickshaws are an Indian pecularity, other countries have very similar transport options by name of tuk-tuks, jeepneys, tricycles, pilots, etc. certainly a more elegant way of doing it. Currently amenity=taxi does not have a 'transport' tag. If we have a vehicle tag, then we can accomodate, autos, jeeps, share autos and the like (we can even accomodate 4 wheelers). here we go: amenity=taxi (already there) vehicle=autorick autorick = prepaid/meter so in OSM it will default to taxi icon, but in our map we will see the auto icon. I wanted to use autorick rather than auto because that could be ambigous. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- http://j.mp/ArunGanesh attachment: autostand_nometer.pngattachment: autostand_meter.png___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
[Talk-in] gillMapping: A mapping party for village
Event coverage by media: http://epaper.hindustantimes.com//artMailDisp.aspx?article=24_11_2009_193_010typ=1pub=722 http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20091124/punjab.htm#13 Press release: http://docs.google.com/View?id=dwzsbzt_60hbsvsxp9 Results so for: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=30.84596lon=75.862zoom=17layers=0B00FTF http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=30.84585lon=75.862zoom=17layers=B000FTF Of course it require cleaning up. The area before event: http://picasaweb.google.co.in/hardeep.rai/GillMapping#5407467142921351602 -- H.S.Rai ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Who else is attending foss.in ?
If you have difficulty in finding the way, then there is lovely Google map showing you the directions http://foss.in/info/venue-guide From: PlaneMad Sent: Monday, 23 November 2009 23:11 To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-in] Who else is attending foss.in ? hopefully i can catch you guys outside the venue :D On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Jithesh E J writes: But why is that Kenneth oppose participating in foss.in! Will anybody care to explain? Some guy called kenneth gonsalves is a bit grumpy about the management and structure of foss.in. He does not believe that said management and structure will help advance open source in India. My summary of his position: foss.in is solving the wrong problem and a correct solution to a wrong problem is itself a wrong solution. But anyway, other OSMers disagree, so let's not let his grumpiness get in the way of running a mapping party at FOSS.in. If you have a GPS receiver, please bring it. I will bring five GPS receivers BUT BUT BUT three of them are only logging receivers, so you WILL need a digital camera. Otherwise you will be reduced to writing down timestamps from your wristwatch. :-) And yes, I'm pasty-white. Not gonna apologize. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- http://j.mp/ArunGanesh ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in Emoticon1.gif___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] gillMapping: A mapping party for village
On Tuesday 24 Nov 2009 6:29:42 am H.S.Rai wrote: Event coverage by media: http://epaper.hindustantimes.com//artMailDisp.aspx?article=24_11_2009_193_0 10amp;typ=1amp;pub=722 http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20091124/punjab.htm#13 way to go -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Who else is attending foss.in ?
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Jithesh E J igothackedbyf...@gmail.com wrote: But why is that Kenneth oppose participating in foss.in! Will anybody care to explain? I guess following is the venue area http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=12.94464lon=77.59596zoom=16layers=0B00FTF and organisers chose not to use / promote openstreetmap on their website. -- H.S.Rai ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Who else is attending foss.in ?
On Tuesday 24 Nov 2009 9:49:45 am H.S.Rai wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Jithesh E J igothackedbyf...@gmail.com wrote: But why is that Kenneth oppose participating in foss.in! Will anybody care to explain? I guess following is the venue area http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=12.94464amp;lon=77.59596amp;zoom=16amp ;layers=0B00FTF and organisers chose not to use / promote openstreetmap on their website. mere drawing lines on maps is beneath the contempt of the big shots in foss.in. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Who else is attending foss.in ?
On Monday 23 Nov 2009 11:07:24 pm Russ Nelson wrote: But why is that Kenneth oppose participating in foss.in! Will anybody care to explain? Some guy called kenneth gonsalves is a bit grumpy about the management and structure of foss.in. He does not believe that said management and structure will help advance open source in India. My summary of his position: foss.in is solving the wrong problem and a correct solution to a wrong problem is itself a wrong solution. totally misunderstood my stance But anyway, other OSMers disagree, so let's not let his grumpiness get in the way of running a mapping party at FOSS.in. some other OSMers disagree. What has grumpiness got to do with this? assuming for the purpose of argument that I am grumpy? If you have a GPS receiver, please bring it. I will bring five GPS receivers BUT BUT BUT three of them are only logging receivers, so you WILL need a digital camera. Otherwise you will be reduced to writing down timestamps from your wristwatch. :-) would not the most appropriate place to organise this be the mailing list of foss.in? maybe you could do some advocacy for osm. And yes, I'm pasty-white. Not gonna apologize. no need to, it is not your fault. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Who else is attending foss.in ?
H.S.Rai writes: and organisers chose not to use / promote openstreetmap on their website. Sure, that happens a lot of times. Sometimes people have heard of OSM, checked it out a few years ago, saw big blank spaces where they live, and haven't bothered to look recently. Sometimes they've simply never heard of it. And sometimes OSM simply isn't usable for them, but the solution to that is obvious. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-it] signpost= ?
2009/11/22 niubii f.pelu...@libero.it: Nello specifico, sono i segnavia di questo sentiero: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Signpost_03.png E' chiaro che stai passando troppo tempo su OSM quando vedi il cartello della foto e pensi subito foot=yes, horse=yes, bicycle=yes :-) Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Viuzze di collegamento tra strade a carreggiate separate
Ciao, spesso in città se un viale è a carreggiate separate ci sono delle viuzze di collegamento tra le due carreggiate per fare inversione a U. Che classificazione devono avere? Mi spiego meglio: se il viale è a carreggiate separate è probabile che sia più di unclassified (da tertiary a primary). A questo punto vedo tre scelte: A. stessa classificazione del viale: se il viale è primary, anche le viuzze di collegamento lo sono B. unclassified, che spesso nelle città italiane su OSM viene usato come strada generica C. service: dopotutto è proprio una strada di servizio La classificazione ha impatti sia sul rendering (aspetto grafico) che sul routing. A me sembrano ragionevoli sia A che C, ma A è abbastanza brutto dal punto di vista grafico e non so quale sia l'effetto di C dal punto di vista del routing. Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Viuzze di collegamento tra strade a carreggiate separate
-Original Message- From: talk-it-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-it- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Federico Cozzi Sent: lunedì 23 novembre 2009 10.30 To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: [Talk-it] Viuzze di collegamento tra strade a carreggiate separate Ciao, spesso in città se un viale è a carreggiate separate ci sono delle viuzze di collegamento tra le due carreggiate per fare inversione a U. Che classificazione devono avere? Mi spiego meglio: se il viale è a carreggiate separate è probabile che sia più di unclassified (da tertiary a primary). A questo punto vedo tre scelte: A. stessa classificazione del viale: se il viale è primary, anche le viuzze di collegamento lo sono B. unclassified, che spesso nelle città italiane su OSM viene usato come strada generica C. service: dopotutto è proprio una strada di servizio Per me al pari di link e delle rotonde prendono la classificazione della strada che collegano, dunque A. Se invece si tratta di varchi fisici in cui l'inversione ad U non è permessa, direi service con una relation restriction e, se si riesce ad individuarli, tag except per i veicoli che possono usarla. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Viuzze di collegamento tra strade a carreggiate separate
B. unclassified, che spesso nelle citta` italiane su OSM viene usato come strada generica unclassified, per quello che ho capito io, e` quaternary. Ovvero una strada a basso traffico ma non residenziale. Per me al pari di link e delle rotonde prendono la classificazione della strada che collegano, dunque A. Per quello che conta, non sono d'accordo. Link e rotonde li percorre tutto il traffico della strada, queste invece no. Non fanno parte del flusso di traffico principale: la loro importanza nella rete viaria e` nulla, quindi unclassified. /alessandro ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Viuzze di collegamento tra strade a carreggiate separate
2009/11/23 Alessandro Rubini rubini-l...@gnudd.com: Per me al pari di link e delle rotonde prendono la classificazione della strada che collegano, dunque A. Per quello che conta, non sono d'accordo. Link e rotonde li percorre tutto il traffico della strada, queste invece no. Non fanno parte del flusso di traffico principale: la loro importanza nella rete viaria e` nulla, quindi unclassified. Anch'io ritengo che il ragionamento sulle rotonde non si applichi per lo stesso motivo. Ma a questo punto mi sembra più ragionevole service piuttosto che unclassified. Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] signpost= ?
-Original Message- From: talk-it-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-it- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of niubii Sent: domenica 22 novembre 2009 18.31 To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: Re: [Talk-it] signpost= ? E se invece utilizzassimo, per i segnavia, qualcosa tipo: tourism=information information=route_marker mentre, per le tabelle, rimarrebbe l'attuale tourism=information information=signpost che ne pensate? Tourism mi sembra troppo limitativo per segnali che possono stare su qualsiasi tipo di percorso. Preferirei highway=route_marker, e un tag aggiuntivo per specificare il tipo, es: route_marker=milestone: le pietre o i cartelli che indicano la chilometrica route_marker=ref: i cartelli che riportano il numero o il nome identificativo route_marker=paint_blaze: per i segnavia fatti con la vernice, tipo http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Signpost_01.png route_marker=affixed_marker: per le targhette di plastica o metallo route_marker=cairn: per gli 'ometti di pietra', quelle specie di piramidi accatastate che si trovano in montagna route_marker=trail_head: cartelli posti all'inizio/fine del sentiero, come potrebbe essere http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Signpost_03.png Se necessario i valori vanno combinati, es: route_marker=milestone;ref per i segnali che riportano sia la chilometrica sia l'identificativo della strada route_marker= paint_blaze;ref per quelli a vernice che riportano anche il numero Troppo complicato? Ciao, Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] signpost= ?
Alberto Nogaro ha scritto: Tourism mi sembra troppo limitativo per segnali che possono stare su qualsiasi tipo di percorso. Preferirei highway=route_marker, e un tag aggiuntivo per specificare il tipo, es: route_marker=milestone: le pietre o i cartelli che indicano la chilometrica route_marker=ref: i cartelli che riportano il numero o il nome identificativo route_marker=paint_blaze: per i segnavia fatti con la vernice, tipo http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Signpost_01.png route_marker=affixed_marker: per le targhette di plastica o metallo route_marker=cairn: per gli 'ometti di pietra', quelle specie di piramidi accatastate che si trovano in montagna route_marker=trail_head: cartelli posti all'inizio/fine del sentiero, come potrebbe essere http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Signpost_03.png Se necessario i valori vanno combinati, es: route_marker=milestone;ref per i segnali che riportano sia la chilometrica sia l'identificativo della strada route_marker= paint_blaze;ref per quelli a vernice che riportano anche il numero Troppo complicato? No, e' abbastanza scorrevole. Io verificherei solo lo stato d'uso di highway=milestone, che e' stato proposto tempo fa e non so quanto ne' dove sia gia' utilizzato. Per il resto mi sembra buona. Se credi mettiamo su una pagina wiki per la proposta. Ciao /niubii/ Nessun virus nel messaggio in uscita. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 8.5.425 / Database dei virus: 270.14.78/2521 - Data di rilascio: 11/23/09 07:52:00 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [Wiki] Nuovo portale italiano
Il 22 novembre 2009 14.45, Francesco de Virgilio fradev...@gmail.com ha scritto: Buondì, considerato che sono mesi (da Giugno) che si parla di riorganizzare il wiki, di rifare il portale italiano, ecc, da qualche parte si deve pur cominciare. Muovo la mia prova di portale italiano in posizione definitiva e sposto l'attuale (ed obsoleto) portale italiano in una pagina, giusto per averne imperitura memoria. Ovviamente, chiunque voglia fare delle modifiche è il benvenuto, la mia intenzione è solo quella di fornire uno scheletro intorno al quale posizionare e riorganizzare pagine e contenuti. ottimo bravo fra! Ciao ciao Luca PS dicci dov'è finito il vecchio in modo da recuperare un po' di link ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Viuzze di collegamento tra strade a carreggiate separate
Il 23 novembre 2009 11.20, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ma a questo punto mi sembra più ragionevole service piuttosto che unclassified. +1 Ciao, Federico ciao Luca ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] server openstreetmap.it
Il 23 novembre 2009 15.30, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha scritto: ciao, volevo fare il punto della situazione sulle possibili proprietà web della comunità italiana: abbiamo il blog: chiunque abbia un minimo di impegno puo' candidarsi a scrivere qualche articolo per lo stesso. l'obiettivo è quello di dare una idea all'esterno di quello che avviene nel mondo openstreetmap. uno dei miei obiettivi/desideri sarebbe quello di allargare verso il basso, dove basso è l'utenza meno tecnicamente coinvolta. articoli che sembrerebbero inutili per chi conosce osm come voi, non lo sono per le persone che ci seguono dall'esterno. planet.openstreetmap.it - potrebbe contenere i planet vecchi di osm, ritagliati sull'italia. con edo si era pensato che potrebbe ospitare i siti delle varie edizioni di OSMit, proposta che andrebbe comunque valutata di volta in volta con gli organizzatori poichè alcuni potrebbero essere interessati ad avere il sito nel loro dominio per farsi pubblicità! -- -S ciao Luca ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Viuzze di collegamento tra strade a carreggiate separate
Federico Cozzi ha scritto: 2009/11/23 Alessandro Rubini rubini-l...@gnudd.com: Per me al pari di link e delle rotonde prendono la classificazione della strada che collegano, dunque A. Per quello che conta, non sono d'accordo. Link e rotonde li percorre tutto il traffico della strada, queste invece no. Non fanno parte del flusso di traffico principale: la loro importanza nella rete viaria e` nulla, quindi unclassified. Anch'io ritengo che il ragionamento sulle rotonde non si applichi per lo stesso motivo. Ma a questo punto mi sembra più ragionevole service piuttosto che unclassified. Io invece sarei più propenso per l'unclassified. Comunque se si decidesse per il service avvisatemi, che ho creato un po di questi collegamenti a Milano e li vado ad aggiornare. ciao ilrobi Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [Wiki] Nuovo portale italiano
ottimo bravo fra! Ciao ciao Luca PS dicci dov'è finito il vecchio in modo da recuperare un po' di link http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Old_WikiProject_Italy Attenzione: nessun parte della vecchia pagina è stata ignorata nella nuova distribuzione dei contenuti, soltanto, le informazioni sono state spostate in sottopagine, qundi... chi cerca trova ;) Felice che vi piaccia :) Ciao -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia projects contributor* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [Wiki] Nuovo portale italiano
Ciao. Dov'è nel nuovo portale il paragrafo relativo ai Software? Ciao, Marco. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Uploadare icone su OSM subversion repository
Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: 2009/11/22 Fabri erfab...@gmail.com Domanda, è possibile uploadare icone per OSM su: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/applications/share/map-icons ? icone fatto da te? Ci sono anche delle pagine nel wiki dove si possono uploadare delle icone. Icone di quale tipo vuoi uploadare? Ottimo sarebbe formato svg + varie versioni bitmap con pochi punti (16x16, 32x32), probabilmente in png. ciao, Martin Si, ho già letto qui: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Icons ma si possono uploadare nel repository? -- www.openstreetmap.org - Io mappo il mio quartiere, tu mappi il tuo, tutti quanti insieme mappiamo l'intero pianeta ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [Wiki] Nuovo portale italiano
Il giorno 23 novembre 2009 23.29, Marco Certelli lt;marco_certe...@yahoo.itgt; ha scritto: gt; gt; Ciao. Dov'è nel nuovo portale il paragrafo relativo ai Software? gt; gt; Ciao, Marco. gt; Nella sezione Come posso usare OpenStreetMap?, ultimo link. L'ho rinominato Software, howto, guide e link utili così da meglio l'idea. Ciao PS: Ho cominciato a tradurre/pulire/sistemare la Guida ai Principianti: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Beginners%27_Guide -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* nbsp; mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org nbsp; http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia projects contributor* nbsp; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* nbsp; http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* nbsp; http://fradeve.netsons.org nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-co] Fin de semana OSM en Medellín
Hola Maperxs Quiero comentarles, especialmente a los residentes de Medellín que estaremos realizando algunos talleres y reuniones en la ciudad y que sería magnifico que nos pudiéramos ver en ellos. El principal es en el marco del SEMINARIO DE COMUNICACIÓN JUVENIL (26 y 27 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2009) donde el 27 de noviembre a las 11am se realizará la presentación de OSM, esto se realizará en las instalaciones de la Corporación Otraparte [0] entrada libre pero cupo para 150 personas solamente. Las otras actividades se realizaran en la biblioteca de la loma incluyendo un hacklab y trabajo de campo espero pronto confirmar horas y coordenadas. salu2 Humano [0] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=6.179321mlon=-75.583966zoom=18layers=B000FTF -- http://GaleNUx.com es el sistema de información para la salud --///-- Teléfono USA: (347) 688-4473 (Google voice) skype: llamarafredyrivera ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
[Talk-dk] Tilbagerulning af Niels Becks data
Jeg har kigget lidt på Niels Beck's data. Niels har været særdeles flittig og har i perioden 11.08.09 til 22.11.09 upload'et 451 changesets. Fra en kursorisk gennemgang kan jeg se at de omhandler mange steder på Sjælland, ikke kun København. Af diskussionen her på listen ser det ud til at flere ønsker at rulle Niels' edits tilbage. Det virker jo lidt drastisk at fjerne hele Niels' opus, men jeg har svært ved at se anden udvej med mindre nogen har tid og lyst til at gennemgå det hele for at se hvad der er værd at beholde og hvad der skal ud. Niels Beck selv har efter min mening været kontrær og uvillig til at forstå etiketten i OSM. Havde Niels haft lidt villighed til at lytte kunne vi nok have undgået at komme hertil. Jeg vedhæfter en tekstfil med id'er på Niels' changesets, så kan I selv gå ind og se om der er changesets der skal tages ud af listen. Ellers mener jeg at det som udgangspunkt må være dem der skal rulles tilbage. Vi skal også beslutte hvem der skal gøre det, og hvornår. Evt. kan vi dele listen op i flere stumper. Givet at det første changeset er flere måneder gammelt vil tilbagerulningen potentielt give anledning til konflikter og kan blive møjsommelig. Mvh, Morten aka mok0 nielsbeck.dat Description: Netscape Proxy Auto Config ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
