Re: [OSM-talk] Streetview

[Nicolás Alvarez]

El dom., 6 de ene. de 2019 a la(s) 21:03, Alert Bouterse
(al...@bouterse.com) escribió:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> I know that it is not allowed to use Google Maps to "copy" streetnames, but 
> my question is: is it allowed to use Google streetview to check streetnames 
> by checking the photo's for streetname signs?

Absolutely not.

You can use (and contribute to) the free alternatives like
https://mapillary.com/ and https://openstreetcam.org/, which are
CC-BY-SA and explicitly clarify you can derive data from the images to
use in OpenStreetMap.

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Re: [OSM-talk] weird "excessive bounces" warnings from the list

[Nicolás Alvarez]

El mar., 2 de oct. de 2018 a la(s) 00:23, Paul Johnson
(ba...@ursamundi.org) escribió:
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:09 PM Tom Hughes  wrote:
>>
>> On 01/10/2018 19:54, Richard wrote:
>>
>> > The messages go straight into a dedicated gmail inbox without any
>> > filters.
>> > As far as I know gmail will only ever reject messages that contain
>> > what looks to it like executable programs - attached files
>> > (*.exe, *.com, *.bat)
>>
>> It also rejects email from a sender whose SPF record tells
>> it to - that is a problem when mail is forwarded by a mailing
>> list because it no longer appears to come from a "valid" address
>> for the sender so services like gmail which believe SPF records
>> with a "hard reject" flag will reject the email, causing us to
>> see a bounce.
>
>
> Only if the sender is sending from a server other than their normal mail 
> server, something readily detectable in the headers.  Google seems to use the 
> same strategy as I did running my own mail server for about 12 years before 
> moving to gsuite, which is, hey, not totally standards-compliant, since it'll 
> go through DATA before deciding whether or not to accept or reject, but very 
> workable to give the sender some idea what happened.

As far as GMail is concerned, the sender *is* sending from a server
other than their normal mail server. The email has @yahoo.fr yet it
arrived from OpenStreetMap servers. In addition the subject and body
got modified ([osm-talk] in subject and unsubscription instructions at
the end).

Your email got marked as "dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify)",
but messages from Yahoo are treated more strictly because Yahoo
publishes DMARC records requesting recipients to be more strict, which
is somewhat incompatible with mailing lists.

See: https://www.linuxchix.org/content/mailing-list-changes

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Re: [OSM-talk] Please unsubscribe me from this talk

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> On 5 Sep 2018, at 19:42, Stadia Arcadia  wrote:
> 
> Hi, can you please unsubscribe me from this OSM talk mails?
> 

Go to https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk and unsubscribe yourself. 
The link is at the bottom of every message in the list.

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Diversity-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2018-04-25 19:21 GMT-03:00 Tobias Knerr :
> On 25.04.2018 15:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> Unisex=yes is defined as a shortcut for male=yes + female=yes
>
> This may be a stupid question, but where are you all getting this
> definition from?
>
> I assumed the key already had the meaning that Rory is suggesting here.
> And at least on the Key:unisex and Tag:amenity=toilet wiki pages, I see
> nothing to contradict that.
>
> The former page mentions that the tag implies male=yes and female=yes,
> but "implies" should not be confused with "is equivalent to".

If most existing data is using unisex to mean "there are both male and
female toilets", then it doesn't matter one bit what the wiki says.
Reusing the tag to mean "there are gender-neutral toilets" will cause
confusion with that existing data.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Odp: Re: Nominatim - censorship at github pages

[Nicolás Alvarez]

Your message did arrive to the list. Maybe you sent it twice and the moderator 
rejected one of them (without changing the default rejection message).

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El 30 mar. 2018, a la(s) 10:55, cm-sani...@wp.pl  escribió:

> Funny thing. Same thread but on dev mailing list ended up with censorship as 
> well. That is my on topic, non vulgar and not spammy message was rejected 
> because "Your message was deemed inappropriate by the moderator.". Seriously? 
> I am raising the issue that deleting people's massages because you don't 
> agree with them is not ok and someone decides it's good idea to play censor 
> as well. My intention was not to show people in power that they can do 
> whatever they want in OSM community without facing any conseqences. So I am 
> sorry to anyone who wishes to discuss unpopular opinions here. I guess 
> instead of making this place better, I made it worse. Sorry.
> 
> Dnia 29 marca 2018 20:45 cm-sani...@wp.pl  napisał(a):
> 
> Hi,
> This time I have not risen an issue of the way how the project is 
> maintained/developed. I did it last time, nobody seemed very concerned and 
> for sure not much have change since then. I understand that maybe by being 
> nice you can achieve more. But in the end there are some facts and refusing 
> to accept them because they weren't presented in a kind way makes people a 
> bit delusional.
> 
> But as I said. I am here because of censorship and I wanted to have the 
> decision explained. Someone decided the Nominatim comes under OpenStreetMap 
> umbrella, the fork is being deployed under osm domain, it's linked around the 
> osm pages. I would have expected it runs in more transparent way and it's not 
> run without any over watch. 
> 
> Mariusz
> 
> Dnia 29 marca 2018 16:17 Imre Samu  napisał(a):
> 
> Hi Mariusz,
> 
> > I criticized that this important service is being neglected and is 
> > maintained in a way which makes it quite impossible to contribute to. 
> >... 
> >Can somebody tell me why it is that?
> > ...
> 
> imho:  
> 
> my favorite on this topics:  
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_Communication 
> and according to my experience  - moralistic judgments and diagnoses can't 
> help solve the problems. 
> on the other hand, Empathy ( for the project )  can be very powerful.
> 
> And If you want to understand the other side, read this:"Why I didn’t fix 
> your bug"   http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=518
> so "Be nice" and give a positive surprise   ( for example add a picture of a 
> cute animal for your issue;   example:  
> https://github.com/moby/moby/pull/36630 )
> disclaimer:
> - I have 1 accepted contributions:  
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/Nominatim/pull/690
> 
> 
> Regards,
>  Imre
> 
> 
> 2018-03-26 12:43 GMT+02:00 cm-sani...@wp.pl :
> Hi,
> Some time ago on this mailing list I expressed concern about the way 
> Nominatim is being maintained. In short, I criticized that this important 
> service is being neglected and is maintained in a way which makes it quite 
> impossible to contribute to. My opinion meet with hostility (which I don't 
> really mind). But what I mind is censorship. Lately somebody else noticed [1] 
> that having pull request opened for 6 years without any explanation why it's 
> not merged doesn't look good. I contributed to the discussion, explained the 
> reasoning for having it opened (which was presented to me during last time I 
> took part in discussion here). Now I look at the pull request 's discussion 
> and turns out my comment was removed.
> 
> Can somebody tell me why it is that? In my opinion the fact I am not liked by 
> the maintainers, shouldn't result in deleting my on topic comments. Is there 
> some oversight over moderation? Can I somehow repeal the decision? Or at 
> least get some explanation why my comment was removed?  
> 
> [1] - 
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/Nominatim/pull/27#issuecomment-370127296
> 
> Thanks,
> Mariusz
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Re: [OSM-talk] Unify Mapping and wiki accounts? -- WAS: Vote cheating?

[Nicolás Alvarez]

El 18 mar. 2018, a la(s) 20:50, François Lacombe  
escribió:

> 
> 2018-03-19 0:38 GMT+01:00 Michael Kugelmann :
>>> Am 18.03.2018 um 20:45 schrieb Richard:
>>> fundamental decission - maybe osm and osm-wiki accounts should be the same?
>> This had been independent in the very old history. And now you have 
>> conflicts => will not work w/o huge effort...
>> There had been requests like this 5 years ago or so w/o success. Not because 
>> nobody wanted to implement but because it was not possible.
> 
> This is a great idea.
> 
> Can you sum up what are the technical issues which make it not possible 
> please ?

Suppose user 'John' currently has a wiki account called 'JohnW'. That's 
currently possible, since the accounts are independent. What do you do if you 
unify the accounts? Does OSM user John get a new wiki account called John? What 
if that wiki account already exists? Or does he have to manually connect the 
OSM and Wiki accounts?

What if an OSM user called JohnW also exists (but never used the wiki yet), 
what wiki account do you create for him if the name JohnW is already taken on 
the wiki?

Users can rename OSM accounts. What happens if a user has accounts on both OSM 
and the wiki, with the same name, but changes his user name to "Javiersanp"? 
That name isn't taken in OSM, but it's taken in the wiki. Does the rename get 
rejected?

There are different OSM users "nicolas" and "Nicolas". Wiki usernames always 
have a uppercase first letter, so if accounts get unified, those two different 
OSM users can't get different wiki accounts. There is a similar problem with 
the wiki considering " " (space) and "_" (underscore) equivalent, while OSM 
doesn't.


I would love it if wiki accounts and OSM accounts were unified, but that would 
need to be done since the start. Now it seems too hard to do it; too many 
conflicts with existing accounts.

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Re: [OSM-talk] "The Future of Free and Open-Source Maps" Slashdot.org , Saturday February 17, 2018

[Nicolás Alvarez]

Curiously enough those same organizations and governments then run
Java web apps on their servers. Java isn't a security risk, Java
applets running inside a browser are the problem. And that's blocked
by browsers nowadays.

I don't understand why this is relevant to the original discussion though...

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2018-02-17 15:27 GMT-03:00 john whelan :
> The JAVA issue comes up as many use work machines and since JAVA has been
> identified by the US government as a security risk some time ago many
> organisations do not permit it's installation on their equipment.
>
> Which means in simple terms you can't use the building_tool plugin when
> mapping buildings and with new mappers that hurts data quality.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 17 Feb 2018 1:18 pm, "Mike N"  wrote:
>>
>> On 2/17/2018 11:01 AM, James wrote:
>>>
>>> except it wouldnt be multiplatform and only run on windows 濫冷. Java is
>>> a better alternative as it's a popular language and is multiplatform. C/c++
>>> is a bit more complicated and not everyone can contribute.
>>
>>
>> That's no longer true - .Net is open source and generates multiplatform
>> code and the C# language has an open source reference.
>>
>>  That being said, Java is quite suitable for JOSM, and the security issues
>> would rarely if ever surface in JOSM.  The big question is how well does
>> JOSM serve as an OSM editor?   Quite well by a number of indicators.

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Re: [OSM-talk] "The Future of Free and Open-Source Maps" Slashdot.org , Saturday February 17, 2018

[Nicolás Alvarez]

El 17 feb. 2018, a la(s) 06:56, Oleksiy Muzalyev  
escribió:

> This article is on the front page of the Slashdot today:
> 
> Fri 16 February 2018 "Why OpenStreetMap is in Serious Trouble"
> 
> https://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2018/02/16/osm-is-in-trouble/
> 
> 
> "The Future of Free and Open-Source Maps"
> 
> https://news.slashdot.org/story/18/02/16/2216228/the-future-of-free-and-open-source-maps
> 
> 
> I actually read the article, and though it has got insightful information and 
> interesting ideas, I have doubts about some suggestions.
> 
> For instance, reviews. I hope it will not come to what there is at some 
> commercial maps, when one adds say a building and then has to wait for a 
> month that an almighty moderator approves it, so that it appears on the map.

There is a big technical problem with reviews too, which is conflicts. 
Currently you get an edit conflict if someone makes another change to the same 
objects after you download map data and before you upload your changes; but 
usually that's a short period of time.

If changes are held for review and only "merged" back to the main database 
after they were reviewed, conflicts can happen if there is an edit between 
downloading the original data and someone approving your change, which could 
happen days or weeks later. Thus, such conflicts will be a lot more frequent. 
Who will resolve the conflict? The editor or the reviewer? And will we need 
some very smart software to try to auto-resolve some kinds of merge conflicts?

The other obvious problem is: do we have enough experienced and motivated 
people to do the reviews and keep up with the rate of incoming changes?

Finally, will this need tiering of users? If experienced users can make changes 
bypassing the review process and/or only experienced users can review other 
people's changes, who decides when you get the "experienced" flag and under 
what criteria?


All this also makes me think that the individual points of the blog post may 
need to be discussed separately. It's not a single all-or-nothing proposal, 
it's a list of mostly-independent identified problems, and some are more 
feasible to solve than others.

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Re: [OSM-talk] AI With Satellite Images for OpenStreetMap

[Nicolás Alvarez]

El 10 feb. 2018, a la(s) 17:52, john whelan  escribió:

> My personal reaction is this is frightening.
> 
> Already we have buildings mapped twice and unless the import is done very 
> very carefully I can see problems ahead.

That's why we have an import policy. Most of the problems I have seen with 
imports would be prevented if people actually followed it.

> AI and imagery isn't perfect.  Throw in LiDAR or different frequency imagery 
> and it might get a little more accurate.  Still having said that there seems 
> to be a large number of Buildings mapped in Africa at Mapathons that seem to 
> be of poor quality and if it was better than that the over all data quality 
> might improve.
> 
> What it does do is identify an area of concern.  In Canada my understanding 
> is some sort of automated or semi automated building outline mapping is being 
> done by NRC and will be released shortly under an Open Data license that has 
> been approved by the LWG.  These I might trust, an experimental algorithm on 
> less than perfect imagery I might be more wary of.  
> 
> Cheerio John
> 
>> On 10 February 2018 at 15:34, Jason Remillard  
>> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Microsoft this week granted permission to use the Bing satellite images for 
>> nonprofit AI projects that are contributing to OSM. Mapbox has indicated 
>> that they are also on board  (with some conditions/restrictions). I think 
>> this pretty big deal for OSM. If you are interested in this kind of stuff, I 
>> wrote a longish diary entry about what it might mean.
>> 
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jremillard/diary/43294
>> 
>> Jason
>> 
>> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Advertising on OSM

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2018-01-11 23:55 GMT-03:00 Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com
:
> Any opinions on this type of advertising? I can't seem to find anything on
> the OSM Wiki.
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5230186487
>
> The listed webpage says nothing about this physical address.

The company's Facebook page has the physical address and it agrees.

I would delete the advertisement-sounding 'description' tag though.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Sudden influx of bad HOTosm edits in West Bank

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2017-10-29 16:13 GMT-03:00 Blake Girardot HOT/OSM :
> Greetings,
>
> I SomeoneElse mentioned this in our HOT IRC channel.
>
> I have already asked the project creator to take a look.
>
> But, are you sure they are bad edits? did you use the 2016 imagery
> specified in the mapping projet?
>
> For example, change set 53330616, the first one i randomly looked at
> from you list looks like bad editing until you use the 2016 imagery,
> please see the linked to two images below, one with Bing/DG Premium (they
> look the same) and one with the imagery supplied with the project.
>
> So, please let us not rush to revert if you are not using the
> proper imagery.
>
> As I said, I will or someone else from HOT will look into it further,
> thank you very much for bringing it to our attention, as well as the
> other issues you pointed out, which I have not had a chance to look at
> yet.
>
> https://screenpresso.com/=l5lhb (old bing)
>
> https://screenpresso.com/=TPYpg (new aerial)

Hmm those seem to be the same image. Did you upload the wrong screenshot maybe?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Publishing bot code. GPL or AGPL?

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2017-10-17 13:27 GMT-03:00 Safwat Halaby :
> I understand that GPLv3 has a loophole in which someone could modify
> your GPL-licensed code, and then run it on a server which offers some
> service. Since a service is being sent over the wire, and not the
> executable itself, then they can keep their modified code private. AGPL
> prevents this loophole.
>
> Does the same logic apply for OSM bots? Would someone using a
> personally modified GPL'ed bot not have to publish it? Should I use
> AGPL instead if I wish to force any bot user to publish the code?

If I run a modified bot against the OSM server, that doesn't mean you
are interacting with my bot over the network, so even with AGPL I'm
not required to give you the source code.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

[Nicolás Alvarez]

> El 25 sept 2017, a las 10:54, Imre Samu  escribió:.
> 
> What about the other alternatives?
> 
> for example:
> - just adding ALL (official[1])  dual languages for only Z0-Z8 level, and 
> keeping the current design for Z9-Z19
> 
> so there will be  (z0-z8)
> - local + english
> - local + chinese
> - local + arabic
> - local + japanese
> - local + russian
> - local + german
> - local + spanish
> - ...  
> - local + greek
> - local + hungarian
> - local + 
> - .

This is 262144 more tiles *per language*. Who wants to donate a few disks?

>  
> And the other question:   Adding the English language now  - can be 
> counterproductive for implementing the full multi-language support?   ( for 
> example - less urgency?)

That sounds like an argument against any incremental improvement ever. Wouldn't 
your proposed multilingual tiles cause less urgency for vector tiles too?

> Imre
> /native Hungarian/
> 
> 
> 
> 2017-09-25 13:48 GMT+02:00 Matthijs Melissen :
>> On 25 September 2017 at 13:21, Richard Fairhurst  
>> wrote:
>> > Frederik Ramm wrote:
>> >> I'd invest the available brainpower in steps needed to achieve
>> >> this goal, even if it's a year or two in the future.
>> >
>> > Which means vector tiles... which we should be looking at anyway.
>> >
>> > But that needs to be a separate project really, rather than a facet of
>> > openstreetmap-carto.
>> 
>> Yes, to re-iterate: my question is about things we can do now. Vector
>> tiles are on the horizon, but are likely to take a year or more from
>> now. Changing some of the labels is something we could do with one
>> line of code and roll out tomorrow, if we wanted to.
>> 
>> -- Matthijs
>> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

[Nicolás Alvarez]

And now we're talking about years of work. The original post to this thread 
already said making multiple versions is technically hard and out of scope.


> El 25 sept 2017, a las 07:39, James  escribió:
> 
> That's why you could have text rendered via JavaScript and not in the JPG 
> itself
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2017 6:37 AM, "Jo"  wrote:
>> 1000 - 7000 extra layers? That's give or take the number of languages in 
>> existence... depending on who you ask, but even adding 500 extra layers is 
>> not a practical endeavour.
>> 
>> 2017-09-25 12:15 GMT+02:00 James :
>>> I think Latin as default is disrespectful to areas like Japan which might 
>>> not be able to read Latin letters as they have kana for non-japanese words. 
>>> It's a bit biased to ask if Latin should be the default on a Latin based 
>>> list(letters not language).I'm sure there would be a different opinion if 
>>> you asked on talk-jp or any other list(non-latin)
>>> 
>>> Ideally it should be a layer per language: English everywhere, Japanese 
>>> everywhere, Arabic everywhere, etc etc
>>> 
 On Sep 25, 2017 6:02 AM, "Oleksiy Muzalyev"  
 wrote:
> On 9/24/2017 11:01 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> [...]For example, we have a label 北京市 for Beijing, a label موريتانيا for
> Mauritania, and a label Magyarország for Hungary.
> 
> The openstreetmap-carto team quite frequently receives requests to
> (additionally) display labels in English (or in any case the
> Latin-alphabet). [...]
 
 Why not use the Latin language itself for an additional label to non-Latin 
 alphabet titles? It is readily available in Google translator and also in 
 Wikipedia. Here are these titles in Latin:
 
 https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pechinum
 
 https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungaria
 
 https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritania
 
 Best regards,
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] DWG survey on organised editing

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2017-09-20 1:51 GMT-03:00 Paul Norman :
> The Data Working Group is conducting a survey as part of its work on a
> policy covering paid mapping.

Thanks for this, I think it's an important topic. In Argentina we're
dealing with an organization or program that is "teaching" school
teachers to map (more like telling them to do it without any actual
instruction). This leads to thousands of accounts making <5 edits
each, usually breaking something in the process, and the local mapper
community is struggling to identify them and keep up with the cleanup.
I can elaborate on this particular case if you're interested (too
tired for that right now).

> The survey is available at https://osm-dwg.limequery.org/741554

Grammar error or typo: "Individual mappers can expected to
communicate". Is this supposed to be "can expect to" or "can be
expected to"?

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

[Nicolás Alvarez]

I don't understand what people mean with 'verifying' objects. We're
not trying to find factually-incorrect data. The data is legally
tainted. It's questionable whether looking at the current names
imported from GMaps, comparing to another source, seeing they match
and marking them as "verified" will legally change anything. And it's
impossible to know if people are really verifying anything or just
blindly marking them as verified.

I think the only clean way to solve this is to redact and then re-map
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2017-08-27 14:39 GMT-03:00 Frederik Ramm :
> Steve:
>
> thank you for your work. I'll save your list. It appears that others
> might be eager to do the same, maybe we can find a good workflow for
> that. I wasn't expecting the community to start working on this
> pre-redaction but if people prefer that to fixing issues later, it is of
> course an option. I certainly prefer out-of-band "marking" of verified
> objects to adding a new tag to each!
>
> Tod:
>
> On 08/27/2017 07:31 PM, Tod Fitch wrote:
>> When you reviewed Orange County, how did you do it so quickly? The only way 
>> I know to go through this is looking at each one, one at a time.
>
> I could of course make a page with links to the ways, even per county if
> that helps, or we could upload the list to some suitable tool. Ian
> mentioned MapRoulette but I'm not sure if that would make things easier.
> I'm certainly happy to try. Maybe Martijn would like to chip in about
> MapRoulette?
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Redacting 75, 000 street names contributed by user chdr

[Nicolás Alvarez]

Then it wouldn't be hard either to add the names again from a legal source 
after the redaction.

> El 27 ago 2017, a las 13:04, James  escribió:
> 
> As Mr.Ramm said, there can be trap streets, which should be removed.
> 
> When I inspected the data, it seems most of it is in Québec and wouldnt be 
> hard to validate streetnames for 1400 something items. 
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2017 11:24 AM, "Paul Norman"  wrote:
>>> On 8/27/2017 7:26 AM, john whelan wrote:
>>> I would suggest that any street names added by chdr in Canada were more 
>>> than likely derived from CANVEC sources
>> 
>> What makes you believe this to be so?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Draft Trademark Policy

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2017-08-04 8:53 GMT-03:00 Matthijs Melissen :
> This policy seems to protect against applications using OpenStreetMap
> in the name without using OpenStreetMap data. I don't think that's a
> serious problem, while the opposite 'problem' occurs quite often:
> projects using OpenStreetMap data without making it clear that they
> are doing so (except in some small attribution).
>
> For example, I would much rather have that people would call their app
> 'OpenStreetMap.me' rather than 'Maps.me'. This policy seems to
> discourage that.

That's actually a good example: would it have been okay if maps.me was
released as OpenStreetMap.me, we accepted it because it used only
OpenStreetMap data, and then it slowly started replacing some data
with other sources?

I personally wouldn't like something as official-sounding as
"OpenStreetMap.me" showing hotels in the wrong place where OSM has
them right, including subjective ratings and reviews for them, having
a prominent "get an Uber for this location" button, displaying ads
when tapping on POIs (I'm getting horoscopes right now), etc.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Draft Trademark Policy

[Nicolás Alvarez]

Probably it's too late for OsmAnd and it has to be grandfathered by now.

I suppose Richard's question is more "how you would formulate a policy
that would have permitted osmosis and osmium but not OsmAnd, if said
projects were to be created with the policy already in place". In
other words, how to prevent *future* OsmAnd-like naming situations.

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2017-08-05 7:04 GMT-03:00 Yves :
> " How you formulate a policy that permits osmosis and osmium but not OsmAnd,
> though, I have no idea"
>
>
> How you formulate a policy that deals with the name of established projects,
> I have no idea. But should you? Maybe a far softer grandfathering rule would
> be easier.
> Yves
>
>
> Le 5 août 2017 11:37:07 GMT+02:00, Richard Fairhurst 
> a écrit :
>>
>> Roland Olbricht wrote:
>>>
>>>  This makes clear that neither the file name extension "osm" is
>>>  jeoparday. Or you do not want to discourage people from using
>>>  "osmium", "osmosis" or a range of other software.
>>
>>
>> I see your point there, but conversely I am really uncomfortable with the
>> OsmAnd situation.
>>
>> It's evident (from IRC, help.osm.org, other non-OSM forums etc.) that a
>> lot
>> of people assume OsmAnd is the official OpenStreetMap Android app. This is
>> already a problem in terms of support burden. It could potentially become
>> a
>> problem for others building apps on OSM data (if users say "oh, no, I'd
>> rather use the official app") or by effectively encouraging mapping for
>> this
>> official-sounding renderer. In brief, I don't believe we should have
>> permitted OsmAnd to use that name, though by now the ship has almost
>> certainly sailed.
>>
>> How you formulate a policy that permits osmosis and osmium but not OsmAnd,
>> though, I have no idea.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
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>> Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] "NRCS basic OSM training" - low quality changesets in Nepal

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> El 22 jun 2017, a las 19:27, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> escribió:
> 
>> On 23-Jun-17 02:45 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote:
>>> On Thursday 22 June 2017, Ben Discoe wrote:
>>> 
>>> BTW, the likely reason I didn't see changeset comments is that my
>>> active OSM account ("bdiscoe") is registered to an old, hard-to-reach
>>> email address (b...@vterrain.org), and (so far) OSM won't let me
>>> change the email address associated with the account to my current
>>> address (this one, bdis...@gmail.com), because that email is
>>> associated with my old, unused OSM account ("Ben Discoe").  I'm not
>>> sure how to fix that, but I'd really like to.
>> You probably (temporarily) need a third email address to assign to your
>> old account to free your gmail address to use it for your normal one.
>> 
>> You can also get a feed with discussions of your changesets on
>> 
>> http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=402624
> Gmail users can use a 'dot' extension to their email address that might get 
> recognised as a different address by OSM.
> 
> Ben .. you could try, say, bdiscoe@gmail.com and bdiscoe.old...@gmail.com 
> - they should both end up in you gmail account.

Are you saying that if anyone emails nicolas.whate...@gmail.com it will reach 
me? That... doesn't sound right.

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Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2017-05-05 6:59 GMT-03:00 Frederik Ramm :
> Today, if you are looking for a job and you're being interviewed by a
> potential employer, the potential employer could say: "I can see from
> OpenStreetMap that you've been editing a lot during the day in your last
> job. Did you not have any work to do?" - and the employer would not even
> be "wrong". Harvesting the full history file for totally OSM unrelated
> information like that is not against any of our rules; it might be
> against the law in some countries but certainly not in others. If you
> publicly complained about what happened to you, it is very likely that
> there will be many people like in this thread who will say "duh, you
> idiot why didn't you use a pseudonym, didn't you read what you signed up
> for, lah lah lah".
>
> I would like to come to a point where, if this happened to you in a job
> interview, you could afterwards point to an OSM policy and say: Clearly
> this company has violated OSM rules, they must have created an account
> under false pretenses to get at this data and they're using it for
> purposes not sanctioned by OSM. That won't make you get the job, but it
> would at least make clear that we stand with our contributors against
> abuse of their data.

This scenario is not specific to OSM map edits at all. They could also
use mailing list archives to see you have been arguing about OSM
tagging conventions during work hours. Or see that you have been
editing Wikipedia. Every web forum, mailing list, social network,
wiki, etc. that has usernames and timestamps would be "vulnerable" to
that.

Yet I don't know of any such platform that has rules on how such
metadata can be used, and I don't see anyone here arguing that we need
rules on the use of mailing list archive metadata.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Revisiting traffic control and traffic calming

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2017-05-07 3:57 GMT-03:00 Paul Johnson :
> I think it's time that we seriously reconsider how stop signs, yield signs
> and traffic calming devices are handled in all but the most simple (all
> approaches to the affected node apply) cases.  This largely after having a
> protracted discussion with one person about nodes lacking direction and this
> being a big factor in turn restrictions and enforcement being handled by
> relations already (and really, the entire reason relations were introduced
> in the first place).
>
> I'm thinking it's time to start mapping this similar to how we handle
> enforcement and turn restrictions, ie, with relations, for all but the
> simplest of cases, especially since the whole forward/backward direction=*
> thing is nonapplicable to nodes by design.

Do you know of a case where you would have a traffic calming device
only affecting one direction, but not already have a reason to map
each road direction as a separate way?

I agree about the signs though. Relations add complexity, but I don't
see how else to handle that kind of directional signs...

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Re: [OSM-talk] HDYC, login requirement and "privacy"

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2017-05-04 17:21 GMT-03:00 Christoph Hormann :
> On Thursday 04 May 2017, Michał Brzozowski wrote:
>> Maybe this is due to some "moral panic" in Germany revolving around
>> privacy, just like StreetView ban - except it's made clear that your
>> edits are public and you agree to it!
>
> Just to make this clear since there are likely quite a few people
> reading here who will not be able or willing to parse the discussion on
> the German forum - discussion there was about privacy concerns w.r.t.
> editing metadata, which is what is the basis of HDYC.  Mixing this with
> the subject of openness of geodata and privacy concerns reagarding
> geodata (like mappers recording names from the doors of private homes
> etc.) is not really appropriate - two very different matters which need
> to be considered separately.

I don't think Michał was mixing those two different matters. "Your
edits are public" also means the fact that *you* edited *that
particular* piece of data is public, from which someone could infer
eg. where you live; it's not mixing the subject of privacy concerns
with the data itself.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Responding to vandalism

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2017-03-16 16:00 GMT-03:00 Mike N :
> On 3/16/2017 2:04 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>
>> And in vandalism, I would also distinguish between teenage doodles
>> ("penis! ha ha ha!"), and serious concerted efforts to harm OSM.
>
>
>   Then there's the serious and real ha ha ha
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/41.84196/-89.48580

Not so real; the actual church shape is quite different. Bing's
imagery is way too old, but if you compare with USGS Large Scale
Imagery (or with the Google photo in the article you linked), you can
see that someone simply freehand-drew a penis-shaped building there.

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Re: [OSM-talk] SHA-1 collision announced by Google

[Nicolás Alvarez]

All hashes by their nature can have collisions. The news is there is a 
practical way to intentionally generate them. It's the first time this is done 
for SHA-1, at least publicly announced (it wouldn't surprise me if the NSA had 
secret techniques and computing power to do it already).

> On Feb 25, 2017, at 10:21, James  wrote:
> 
> It's been known for a while that sha1 can generate duplicates. What next the 
> announcement that MD5s have collisions too?
> 
> On Feb 24, 2017 3:39 PM, "Pine W"  wrote:
> If you develop or run software that uses SHA-1, here's another reason to 
> upgrade to a more secure algorithm:
> 
> https://security.googleblog.com/2017/02/announcing-first-sha1-collision.html
> 
> Pine
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Re: [OSM-talk] Automated wifi=* edits

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2017-01-09 21:08 GMT-03:00 Andy Mabbett :
> On 8 January 2017 at 14:04, Jakob Mühldorfer  wrote:
>
>> this is a question about automated edits of the "wifi" key.
>> The goal would be to have all these converted to "internet_access" keys.
>
> To change wi-fi=yes to internet_access=yes would be a degradation,
> with a loss of data. My local library, for example, offers Internet
> access, but not Wi-Fi - I can use their PC, but not my device.
>
> Or do you mean to change wi-fi=yes to internet_access=wi-fi ?
>
> The proposal is not clear.

BTW, the tag in use is internet_access=wlan (it has 77075 uses, while
internet_access=wifi has 58 that probably should be changed).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Beware Pokemon users

[Nicolás Alvarez]

> El 28 dic 2016, a las 02:34, Nick Hocking  escribió:
> 
> How about we ask the game maker to code in (and let slip in social media) 
> that lots of new pokemon stuff may appear on every OSM residential road, 
> outside a residence that has a street number (in OSM) equal to todays day 
> number (e.g 28 - for today). Of course all the other OSM address tags must 
> also be correct for this stuff to appear.
> 

How could the game possibly know if newly-added tags are correct?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Strange location reading

[Nicolás Alvarez]

> El 28 sept 2016, a las 04:59, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> escribió:
> 
>> On 28-Sep-16 04:44 PM, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote:
>>> On 27.09.16 21:51, John Eldredge wrote:
>>> This past weekend, I made a long road trip. At one point, while in a 
>>> highway rest stop, I checked Google Maps to see how far I had come. To my 
>>> surprise, it showed me at a different rest stop, about 200 miles from my 
>>> actual location. I suspect that my phone couldn't get a good GPS reading, 
>>> and was relying on the WiFi ID from the rest area office. The other rest 
>>> area was probably using the same SSID.
>>> 
>>> I didn't think to launch OSMand for comparison, but I suspect it would have 
>>> given me the same bogus results, as the choice of whether to use WiFi, cell 
>>> tower, GPS, or a combination, to determine your location is set in the 
>>> system settings, not inside the mapping applications.
>> GPS signal is not influenced by clouds, rain, and snow. The GPS signal 
>> frequency of about 1575mhz was chosen expressly because it is a "window" in 
>> the weather as far as signal propagation is concerned [1]. However a coating 
>> of water, snow, or ice on a smartphone or on a car may block GPS signal. A 
>> coating of water, even a fairly thin one is NOT the same as raindrops.
>> 
>> 
>> So if one is outside and a device is dry, the GPS reading should be correct 
>> no matter what is the actual weather. Otherwise it makes sense to restart 
>> the device, or change it if an incorrect GPS location reading persists.
> 
> John .. could you have the GPS function on the phone turned off? I usually 
> have mine turned off to save battery power .. for use as a phone. There is a 
> GPS Status app that I use to check various sensors .. including what the GPS 
> is doing, suggest you use it .. that is an android app ... apple should have 
> something similar.

There is nothing similar for Apple. As far as iOS APIs are concerned, there is 
no such thing as "GPS". Apps can only request the device's location at 
different levels of accuracy, and the OS decides how to achieve that (eg. at 
coarse levels of accuracy it won't even turn on the GPS hardware). But an app 
can't even know if the location it got came from the GPS, let alone which 
satellites it's locked to or anything like that.
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Re: [OSM-talk] SearchAroundBot: a Telegram Bot for OSM

[Nicolás Alvarez]

> On Aug 24, 2016, at 05:54, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> On 08/23/2016 06:04 PM, Federico wrote:
>> I've recently developed a Telegram Bot
>> (https://telegram.me/SearchAroundBot) to enable users to easily add POI
>> (currently only drinking water and toilets amenities) into OSM. Here is
>> the OSM wiki page here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/SearchAroundBot
> 
> Please ensure that everyone who contributes data to OSM with this bot
> actually has got an OSM account (and hence has agreed to the OSM
> contributor terms), and that the data is contributed using that OSM
> account (not a generic account that you have created), and that they can
> be reached by OSM user-to-user messaging if necessary.

Aren't there several cases where this isn't followed, like Wheelmap?

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Re: [OSM-talk] SearchAroundBot: a Telegram Bot for OSM

[Nicolás Alvarez]

SearchAroundBot is for editing, not searching. I don't think they have enough 
in common to merge.

Enviado desde mi iPhone

> El 23 ago 2016, a las 14:04, Alejandro S.  escribió:
> 
> Hi, 
> You can find also OSMbot [0] that let you find many different features, maybe 
> you can contact them and work together?
> 
> [0]: https://telegram.me/OSMBbot
> 
> Kind regards,
>   Alejandro Suárez
> 
>> On 23 August 2016 at 18:04, Federico  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've recently developed a Telegram Bot (https://telegram.me/SearchAroundBot) 
>> to enable users to easily add POI (currently only drinking water and toilets 
>> amenities) into OSM. Here is the OSM wiki page here: 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/SearchAroundBot
>> 
>> I'd like to ask you to have a look at it and let me know if you have any 
>> specific suggestion for improving it. If so please go to the osm forum: 
>> http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=605383#p605383
>> 
>> Thanks for your attention,
>> Federico
>> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

[Nicolás Alvarez]

You should try giving those arguments to the organizations that are
stopping us from using the data, not to us :)

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2016-08-18 17:01 GMT-03:00 John F. Eldredge :
> I know I am replying to a two-month-old message, but the idea of
> restrictions on entering postal codes is baffling.  At least in the USA, the
> Post Office encourages the use of postal codes (called Zip codes) on mail,
> to expedite the delivery of mail, and used to publish large reference books
> listing the postal codes for every address in a particular area.  Nowadays,
> they have a web site where you can enter an address, and look up the postal
> code for that address.  What would be the purpose of postal codes that
> aren't told to the general public?  Or, is it that the postal code
> boundaries are restricted, but the postal code for a given address is not
> restricted?
>
>
> On 06/21/2016 05:14 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 06/21/2016 11:07 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>>>
>>> Perish the thought that people might add their local knowledge to OSM. I
>>> thought it was all imports, armchairing and tagwanking these days.
>>
>> Only Canadians are allowed to enter their own post codes. The other
>> countries haven't had their lawsuits resolved yet.
>>
>> Bye
>> Frederik
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim - Does it use the is_in tag?

[Nicolás Alvarez]

Wouldn't that lead to "mapping for the geocoder"? I'm sure that would
be frowned upon as much as "mapping for the renderer".

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2016-08-16 16:50 GMT-03:00 Hakuch :
> Hey Sarah, do you have documentations that explain how nominatim
> processes the queries? That could be an answer to questions like that one
>
> On 16.08.2016 21:27, Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 02:29:26PM +0100, Dave F wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I've heard a claim from a user who still wants to use the is_in:*
>>> tag as well as boundary tags that Nominatim uses is_in as preference
>>> because "geospacial mathematics is resource intensive".
>>>
>>> Is this true?
>>
>> Not at all. Nominatim happily processes boundaries and always prefers
>> it over any other hierarchy information.
>>
>> It is true that it still understands is_in:* tags but prbably not in
>> the way you would think. First of all, they are completely ignored
>> on anything at building level (e.g address points and POIs). For
>> everything else Nominatim always uses a geospatial match when
>> computing the address. is_in:* is just good to help make a decision
>> when there are two equally well suited candidates, generally when, say,
>> a road is right between two city place nodes. As soon as there are
>> boundaries, multiple candidates don't happen anymore, so that is_in:*
>> is ignored for all practical purposes.
>>
>>> I thought geospacial calculations were fairly light on processing power.
>>>
>>> I also thought is_in:* was to be discouraged. Being hard coding, if
>>> a boundary was to change all affected entities would become
>>> inaccurate.
>>
>> Yes, if possible always draw boundaries. They are more precise and easier
>> to maintain. is_in is unnecessary.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Sarah

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Re: [OSM-talk] Forum admin(s) wanted

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2016-08-15 21:13 GMT-03:00 Daniel Koć :
> If we have no current backup available, I think it would be good to have a
> script harvesting all the entries even just via plain HTML, with publishing
> date, username and user id, so we could recreate it more or less on the new
> server. Old backup may have some value, but most of the time fresh content
> is what really matters.

ArchiveTeam.org is already doing this HTML backup.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Building a free/open reviews community w/ OSM support

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2016-08-08 17:52 GMT-03:00 Erik Moeller :
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 2:56 AM, joost schouppe  
> wrote:
>> Keeping OSM and an external database linked is no mean feat. Say you load a
>> McDonalds POI to your database and someone reviews it. But then a mapper
>> comes along and changes the node to a line. Upon the next update of your POI
>> database, your review will not find the object it linked to before, because
>> it no longer exists.
>
> That makes sense. I'm assuming when you say "line", that means "way"
> in formal OSM terminology? From a data consumer's point of view, when
> I look up the original node ID, do I just get a "not found", or is
> there an easy way to tell that there's a new way or relation now
> representing the same object?

You will just get a Not Found. You can get the node history but that
won't really help much.

Sometimes people make the old node be one of the tag-less nodes of the
new building way, but that's not required, maybe not even very common.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Go Map!: Mobile mapping on iOS

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2016-07-25 20:32 GMT-03:00 Matthijs Melissen :
> Hi all,
>
> I always used to be quite sceptical about mobile mapping applications.
> Due to the small screen size and lack of a mouse pointer, mobile
> mapping seemed clumsy and error-prone. For me, collecting data in the
> field and then adding it on a personal computer with JOSM was the way
> to go.
>
> However, my mind has changed completely since I discovered Go Map!, an
> application for iOS written by Bryce Cogswell. Nowadays, I'm doing
> almost all my mapping in the field straight in Go Map!, and only
> rarely do I still resort to JOSM.
>
> Go Map! is designed with a light-weight UI, making mapping easy and
> intuitive. In particular, a lot of attention was paid to minimize the
> chance of user errors. Some examples:
> - Objects are moved by dragging a handle next to the object, rather
> than the object itself. This way, you're not obscuring the placement
> of the object.
> - When drawing a new line, a subtle animation is shown whenever you're
> about to connect a node to another node or line.
> - The application does not permit the manipulation (such as
> straightening) of objects (partially) outside of the view.
>
> I found that entering the results of my surveys straight in Go Map!
> saves me a lot of time, and additionally improves the quality of my
> data (since one data manipulation step is cut out, and I can verify
> results immediately).
>
> Of course, even with Go Map!, accidental data errors might be
> possible. And repetitive actions, or manipulation of large areas with
> many notes, is perhaps still easier on a desktop computer. But
> overall, I find Go Map! a large improvement.
>
> And an additional bonus: whenever passers-by ask you when this map
> you're creating can be viewed online, you now can tell them: "in about
> two minutes".
>
> I'd recommend every iOS user to give the application at least a try.
>
> The application can be downloaded here:
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/go-map!!/id592990211?mt=8

I have been (infrequently) using this for years and I agree about its
usefulness.

In particular, I like how I can position objects by matching aerial
imagery to what I'm seeing in the real world at the same time.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Viewing pre-redaction OSM tiles?

[Nicolás Alvarez]

The 2007 tiles on mvexel's map come from http://schaal.dyndns.org/osm/
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2016-07-15 0:17 GMT-03:00 Marc Gemis :
> Do you mean Martijn van Excel's "Now and Then" ?
> https://mvexel.github.io/thenandnow/#10/52.2644/5.2899
> It does has a slider, but it compares 2007 with now.
>
> regards
>
> m
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Michał Brzozowski  
> wrote:
>> I am not. I just don't want to say "guilty" prematurely. It's a system
>> for traffic information (public-facing site) and traffic control built
>> by some neighboring cities.
>>
>> Michał
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 9:27 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> 2016-07-14 21:11 GMT+02:00 Michał Brzozowski :

 No. They render maps on their own and also FOSM data seem not to be
 *just* before the redaction (am I right? There are no changes I made
 in May 2012)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> maybe you are talking about Apple maps? They use both, pre-redaction
>>> cc-by-sa data and also ODbl data.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping Klong Toey Slums

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2016-07-14 7:58 GMT-03:00 Mishari Muqbil :
> Hello,
>
> I just wanted to feedback from the community for our effort to map the slums
> in Klong Toey, Bangkok. The size of the area is about 1km x 2 km around here
> and I have captured a sequence on Mapillay here. There are several
> challenges here including access to internet and English literacy, so I have
> come up with the following rough plan.
>
> 1. Put out a call for volunteers, work with NGOs in the area to find local
> kids who are interested in putting their community on the map.
> 2. Train the kids in using ID editor. I think I will limit them to doing
> specific things i.e. walkways, houses, trees, restaurant, convenience stores
> with individual kids limited to 2-3 features to avoid confusion then as they
> get the hang of it, increase their repertoire.
> 3. Take over a local internet cafe for a day for training and mapping
> purpose.
>
> Now I'm not sure about the rest of the process, you can see from Mapillary
> that due to the somewhat dense nature of the community, GPS is inaccurate
> and neither Bing nor Mapbox has enough of a resolution to be meaningful. So
> I have several (possibly overlapping) ideas.
>
> a) hire or borrow a drone to take aerial imagery and upload to openaerialmap
> and use that as a basemap but I'm not sure how possible it will be to see
> through the roofs.
> b) get a team of surveyor students from Prof. Garavig to map out the paths
> in the community (it's pretty big so I'm not sure how tine consuming it is)
> then have the community kids fill in the blank.
> c) use walking papers and have the kids go out, sketching what they see from
> the rooftop but I feel this may be prone to errors.
>
> Does anyone have any experience or tips they can share on how we can achieve
> this?
>
> Best regards
> Mishari

FWIW, if you and your volunteers take tons of pictures for Mapillary
and the Internet connection isn't good enough to upload them, you can
physically mail them a hard disk. Or have them mail you a hard disk
and you fill it with photos and ship it back. They have done it before
for special situations like this.

Let me know if you're interested in that.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Viewing pre-redaction OSM tiles?

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2016-07-14 15:49 GMT-03:00 Michał Brzozowski :
> Hi.
> I would swear I saw a page doing exactly that (with a comparison slider).
> The reason is I suspect that some website uses old cc-by-sa OSM data
> (due to its nature, with their own updates) without attribution nor
> with modified map data released.

You could look at the tiles from FOSM: http://www.fosm.org/
They made a fork of OSM from cc-by-sa pre-redaction data, but they
have several orders of magnitude less edits/editors than OSM, so in
many parts of the world you can pretend it's a frozen pre-redaction
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Re: [OSM-talk] Automated edits code of conduct

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2016-07-12 23:08 GMT-03:00 tuxayo :
> On 12/07/2016 09:53, Christoph Hormann wrote:
>> I would suggest to look at things more in terms of consistency - OSM is
>> all about local knowledge and mappers mapping their day-to-day
>> environment.  It is inconsistent with this aim to allow others to mess
>> around in this local mapping through automated edits without looking at
>> individual features one by one.
>
> Automated edits should also have a place. For thing like pure tagging
> errors:
>   - URLs lacking "https://; prefix
>   - leading and trailing spaces in names
>   - common, obvious and non ambiguous typos
> The error probability is almost null (error in script or typo?)

When I searched for typos and leading and trailing spaces in my area,
I found lots of unrelated wrong things. For example, many objects with
trailing spaces in the names were "my house is here" nodes. Or roads
including the name of the political administration that was around
when the road was built (typical political bullshit that appears in
signs sometimes, but it's *not* the name of the road).

Checking them one by one was a great idea.

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Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2016-07-11 12:30 GMT-03:00 Ian Dees :
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Blake Girardot  wrote:
>>
>> On a slightly more serious note:
>>
>> There are other solutions to the issue of lack of addresses in large
>> parts of the world.
>>
>> Google has put forth a solution that tries to address most of the w3w
>> issues. It is open source, works off line, non-propriety, usable for
>> printed maps among other issues they try and solve, called Open
>> Location Codes aka "Plus Codes"
>>
>> http://openlocationcode.com/
>>
>>
>> https://maps.googleblog.com/2015/08/plus-codes-new-way-to-help-pinpoint.html
>>
>> https://plus.codes/
>>
>> It is still a work in progress for them but they are seriously seeking
>> feedback from the OSM and humanitarian communities. I have no opinion
>> on it because it is a bit beyond my full understanding at the moment,
>> but as I said, thoughtful feedback on it would help I think.
>
>
> The mailing lists have talked about what3words before, too:
>
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2015-November/075051.html

Your link is the first post on *this* thread.

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Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2016-06-21 10:28 GMT-03:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>
> 2016-06-21 14:18 GMT+02:00 Andrew Harvey :
>>
>> I assume I need to manually download these and put them in the right
>> directory on my Android?
>
>
>
> on iOS you'll have to compile and codesign the app yourself, something
> that's far from trivial in this case, because the maps.me repo has versions
> for all OS in the same repo and uses a lot of scripting and advanced
> features and libs and has lots of targets and stuff (e.g. watch OS). I had a
> look at it for hours and couldn't get it to work, an while I'm sure someone
> with good programming skills could make this fly in a few minutes, it surely
> isn't an option for Joe Avarage.

That makes no sense, why would you need to compile the app? This is
just map files. You can use iTunes to put a new .mwm into the app.

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Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2016-06-20 19:14 GMT-03:00 Frederik Ramm :
> Hi,
>
> On 06/20/2016 11:49 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>> The down side of course is that the Maps.me data isn't updated very
>> frequently so I might be duplicating data which has been added after
>> Maps.me last generated the data extracts,
>
> Isn't Maps.me Open Source - could not someone else simply make current
> extracts available?
>

Yes, and I have done it (downloaded a .pbf, applied diffs to it,
generated my own .mwm).

But you don't need to; Maps.me already provides semi-official current map files!
http://direct.mapswithme.com/regular/daily/

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Re: [OSM-talk] prostitutes in OSM

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…What is? This is the osm-talk mailing list.

Enviado desde mi iPhone

> El 7 jun 2016, a las 07:26, Rod Bera  escribió:
> 
> This is HOT OSM ;)
> 
>> On 07/06/16 12:08, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> On the Italian ML this account was mentioned sending out spam, please 
>> suspend: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Anvimurthy
>> 
>> 
>> cheers,
>> Martin 
>> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Burger King use of OSM without Attribution

[Nicolás Alvarez]

Don't rush it. Give Mapbox time to handle it from their side.

And I don't see how AWS is involved, the image is coming from
api.tiles.mapbox.com...

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2016-05-31 17:16 GMT-03:00 Clifford Snow :

> Mikel,
> I wonder if they just crop the image for the website, cutting off
> attribution? They haven't replied to me, so I am going to look for
> something like a legal contact at Burger King. Though we could issue a
> copyright takedown to AWS.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Mikel Maron 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the report, we're looking into sorting out this attribution
>> issue at Mapbox.
>>
>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:51 AM, Milo van der Linden 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Burgerking is using the static image api from mapbox:
>>
>>
>> http://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/dondeinc.ilo032fk/url-http%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fdonde-img%2Fpin-bk.png%3Fc%3D3(-117.4382504,47.71573001)/-117.4382504,47.71573001,16/640x640.png
>>
>> So perhaps mapbox should be asked why attribution is not visible in the
>> static image api.
>>
>> 2016-05-28 7:22 GMT+02:00 Clifford Snow :
>>
>> I notices a new user added a fast food node [1] in Spokane, WA. The name
>> was entered as BK. Assuming it was probably a Burger King, I did a search
>> and found that it was actually a Burger King restaurant. What I noticed was
>> their map [2] was identical to OSM.
>>
>> I sent a message via their contact me link on the page asking that they
>> comply with our terms of use.
>>
>> Has anyone else noticed Burger King using OSM data before?
>>
>> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/39617650
>> [2]
>> http://www.bk.com/restaurants/wa/spokane/1804-west-francis-ave-5816.html
>>
>> On a side note, I did send the user a message asking to verify the name.
>> First time user with MAPS.ME .
>>
>> Clifford
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Re: [OSM-talk] Navmii notes

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Duplication would be a problem even if the map was updated in real time.

I have seen maps.me users adding POIs that already exist for a long time, but 
aren't rendered by the maps.me style. Or adding name= to a gas station when the 
info is already in brand=, which isn't rendered by either maps.me or osm.org.

> El 9 may 2016, a las 13:21, Eric Grosso  escribió:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Talking about notes and edits from applications, what is the best option 
> between creating a new object in OSM or adding a note for this kind of app?
> 
> I'm here thinking about the objects added recently by some maps.me users. As 
> the offline maps provided by maps.me are only updated "with almost every new 
> release" (http://maps.me/en/help), there is a possible problem of 
> duplication. A question has been asked here about it: 
> https://github.com/mapsme/omim/issues/2953. The answer from maps.me addresses 
> only the problem of accuracy (which is another one) not the problem of 
> duplication. I already encountered both problems (one including the 
> modification of a POI name to replace it with something wrong).
> 
> A lot of people started using maps.me -- BTW a great app which allows to 
> promote nicely OSM --- or similar applications, and probably more people will 
> use it in a near future. This could lead to the need of a quite heavy 
> maintenance (mostly for the POIs) for (local) OSM contributors as these edits 
> are quite difficult to track (1 modification = 1 changeset). Is there a way 
> to link all these communities of users/contributors together in order to 
> benefit to the map?
> 
> I would be glad to have your opinion on this.
> 
> Thanks.
> Eric
> 
> 
>> On 6 May 2016 at 07:54, Paul Johnson  wrote:
>>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Deanna Earley  wrote:
>>> I'm also in discussion with Navmii themselves to try and get them to
>>> stop adding these, or at least curbing/moderating what they are adding.
>> 
>> Another suggestion would be to have some system in place that replies to 
>> notes can get back to the original submitter from the OSM community.  I 
>> don't recall encountering these notes myself, but the inability to close the 
>> communications loop is a big factor in what made Mapdust a nearly 
>> unmitigated failure (the biggest mitigating factor is that you can see a 
>> snippet to see what the routing engine was thinking, where the user was 
>> traveling and a category, so there was the possibility of getting some high 
>> quality feedback for surprisingly minimal effort from real people using it 
>> instead of map nerds).
>> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Gamification in Volunteered Geographic Information in regard with Contributors' Motivations

[Nicolás Alvarez]

There are some more "trivial" gamifications that can already help with
motivation, such as the user ranking shown in HOT tasks.

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2016-05-05 13:11 GMT-03:00 Ben Discoe :
> I thought it was odd that the survey listed two osm "gamifications" I'd
> never heard of, and didn't mention a few I do know of, like the missingmaps
> leaderboard ( http://www.missingmaps.org/leaderboards/#/missingmaps ), the
> telenav challenges (2014-2015, with leaderboard and cash prizes) or numerous
> other leaderboards like MapLesotho's ( http://maplesotho.cbroderick.me ),
> not to mention the OSM rank itself, as it appears on HDYC (
> http://hdyc.neis-one.org/ ) which I check daily. HDYC shows that there are
> still two human accounts higher-ranked than me, obviously I must map
> harder!! :)
>
> -Ben
>
> On May 4, 2016 10:56 AM, "Chen Chen"  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> My name is Chen Chen and I am a Masters student working under the
> supervision of Dr. Peter Johnson in the Department of Geography and
> Environmental Management at the University of Waterloo. We are currently
> seeking volunteers from the OpenStreetMap (OSM) community to participate in
> a study that focuses on the impact of game elements on motivations to
> contribute to OSM. We would like to invite you to join our study.
>
> Participation in this study involves a web questionnaire, with a potential
> follow-up interview. The link to the web questionnaire is:
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/osmvgigamification. The questionnaire should
> take approximately 20 minutes of your time. This study has been reviewed and
> received ethics clearance through a University of Waterloo Research Ethics
> Committee.
>
>
>
> In appreciation of the time you have given to this study, you can enter your
> email address into a draw for a $50 Amazon Gift Card. Your odds of winning
> the prize is based on the number of individuals who participate in the
> study. The final decision about participation is yours.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Chen Chen
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

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> El 2 abr 2016, a las 13:48, Blake Girardot  escribió:
> 
> It is very easy to log, anyone can do it, there is no secret anything. If you 
> have a machine that is always on, like my desktop, you just log in and you 
> have the transcript/log of whatever goes on. There are literally 100's of 
> people that do that in the #OSM channel (222 at the moment).
> 
> Many channels intentionally log their traffic to the web for transparency and 
> easy to catch up for not always connected people. Individuals and services 
> can do the same thing if they want.

I don't know about OFTC, but in freenode it is network policy that public IRC 
logging (such as publishing logs on a website) must be clearly stated for 
anyone who joins, for example by saying it in the channel topic. Public logging 
is okay, but people have to know if it's happening.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Slack

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2016-03-26 16:59 GMT-03:00 Steve Coast :
> Ok so look, Slack took over the world.

It may have taken over the internal-corporate-communication world maybe.

Slack has a million active users, Telegram gets 350.000 new users
every day. Telegram took over the world more than Slack did by that
measure. Let's all switch to a Telegram supergroup! Or heck, why not
Facebook Rooms, Facebook seems to score even higher in world
domination.

> I’m proposing that a) we have a global slack and b) it be ‘official’
> whatever that means. Having not been able to find this, I invite everyone
> over to:
>
> https://awesomestreetmap.slack.com
>
> So unless there is a secret slack somewhere that I missed, or something

Why didn't you ask if there was a secret slack somewhere *before*
creating your own?

I don't see how this is a "proposal" if you already created it and you
explicitly say you have no energy for discussion.

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Re: [OSM-talk] [BOT] [RFC]: water surfaces

[Nicolás Alvarez]

> El 22 mar 2016, a las 10:10, Frank Villaro-Dixon  
> escribió:
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I launched a bot (FrankVD_bot) this week which didn't make everyone happy, as 
> it wasn't discussed with the community, which is quite normal. Here's then 
> the RFC for (let's call it) scorpion.
> 
> 
> # Targets
> The targeted zones are actually the multipolygons with natural=water on them. 
> Working box is all the planet.
> 
> # Why ?
> Well, OSM has a quite exhaustive lakes/water surfaces database, but it's a 
> complete pain to work on because:
>* Some non closed ways have a natural=water or a water=* tag,which 
> makes no sense and is forbidden.
>* Attributes (natural, water, name, intermittent) are in therelation 
> and in the way itself, which is anti normal form (and not logical).
> 
> # First goal:
> First goal is quite simple. The idea is to work only on relations which have 
> a natural=water .  Then, it will:
>* Delete natural=water from all the ways if they are NOT closed orring 
> 0.

What if there is a way legitimately with natural=water that isn't closed 
because of an error? The correct fix is to close it, not to remove the tag. 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Using OAuth with JOSM

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2016-03-13 17:04 GMT-03:00 Mark Bradley :
> I am not familiar with OAuth.  If I upload data using JOSM from different
> computers but using the same OSM account, should I use the same access token
> key and access token secret on both computers?

You should use different tokens, that's the main advantage of OAuth.
For example, if one of those computers is compromised/stolen/whatever,
you can revoke that token alone. Using password authentication you
would have to change your password and re-login on *every* computer.

Although there is a flaw (don't know who's to blame): it's hard to
tell which computer is which in the OSM "revoke tokens" config page
since they all say just say "JOSM".

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Re: [OSM-talk] Guides to improve navigation data in OpenStreetMap

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> El 12 mar 2016, a las 04:18, Paul Johnson  escribió:
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Janko Mihelic  
>> wrote:
>> pet, 11. ožu 2016. 21:00 Martin Koppenhoefer  je 
>> napisao:
>>> 
>>> what about the pavement/sidewalk, shall it be included? If yes, what is a 
>>> lane there, e.g. when there are (partially) physical separations?
>> 
>> 
>> No,  I wouldn't include sidewalks. You could argue that sidewalks are just 
>> another lane, but there is a difference. The moment you step on a street, 
>> you are following rules of a game. Everyone on the street should know about 
>> each other, and act accordingly. 
>> Sidewalks are a different story, you can stop and chat there, there are no 
>> rules. 
>> 
>> So even if there are no physical separations, I would never include a 
>> sidewalk in the lane scheme of a road (except with the sidewalk=* 
>> attribute). 
> 
> I'm not a fan of the sidewalk tag on the centerline way; just map the 
> footways.

I see it as simplified tagging. In Buenos Aires almost every road has 
sidewalks, and I'm surely not going to draw them all as separate ways. Adding 
the sidewalk tag is much easier. I would go as far as saying I would assume 
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Re: [OSM-talk] OsmAnd financially rewarding mappers

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> El 4 mar 2016, a las 10:37, Janko Mihelić  escribió:
> 
> I think existing mappers are not the biggest problem. If mapping starts being 
> paid, there may be an influx of new mappers who do it only for the money.
> 
> They will, of course, map a lot because that's how you get more money. They 
> will introduce skewed mapping practices at best, and outright wrong mapping 
> at worst. For example, they may start mapping forests with natural=tree 
> because that way they get more money.
> 
> In my opinion this should be a very controlled practice which will guide 
> those mappers through a narrow path, and not give them the free will to get 
> paid for what ever they do.
> 

It seems they have collected about $50 worth of bitcoins from donations in 
January. February was *much* less. I'm not sure among how many mappers it was 
distributed (the website is a bit buggy).

Will we get a huge influx of mappers doing things wrong to get a cent or two at 
the end of the month?
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Re: [OSM-talk] OsmAnd financially rewarding mappers

[Nicolás Alvarez]

Why would they do that? Handing out free Osmand+ installs would *cost*
them money. This system *gets* them money (users donate, mappers get a
part, Osmand gets another part).

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2016-03-03 14:11 GMT-03:00 joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com>:
> I am surprised to see so few negative reactions. Nothing against the idea,
> but it should be better thought out to avoid perverse incentives.
>
> A quick solution someone already suggested was handing out free Osmand+
> installs.
>
> On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 09:20:05 -0300
> Nicolás Alvarez <nicolas.alva...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The reason why I didn't try this yet is that they unnecessarily ask
>> me for my OSM *password* when signing up. There are much better ways
>> to verify the account...
>
> "We will give you money once you will share your password" sounds like a
> standard unimaginative scam.
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Re: [OSM-talk] OsmAnd financially rewarding mappers

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> El 3 mar 2016, a las 08:17, Marc Gemis  escribió:
> 
> If I understand the discussion on [1] correctly OsmAnd will reward
> mappers with bitcoins. The bitcoins seem to be paid via a formula
> based on the number of changesets you upload.
> 
> I think this is a bad idea, (just like Jack Burke illustrates with the
> Dilbert strips in the linked topic).
> What do you think about this ? How should we deal with this ?
> 
> 
> regards
> 
> m
> 
> 
> [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/osmand/x2XyIOtRBGE
> 

The reason why I didn't try this yet is that they unnecessarily ask me for my 
OSM *password* when signing up. There are much better ways to verify the 
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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM 290

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2016-02-11 17:43 GMT-03:00 Michał Brzozowski :
> Can you tell me what's up with this "This entry is available only in
> Spanish"? I think people won't care if it got delayed a day later or
> so. Also weird it's Spanish if you have to aggregate multiple mostly
> English sources anyway.

Where did you see the phrase "This entry is available only in Spanish"?

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Re: [talk-latam] Anulacion de correo

[Nicolás Alvarez]

> El 14 ene 2016, a las 17:20, josafat plascencia  
> escribió:
> 
> Hola me podrian borrar de su lista de correos por fa
> 

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Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

[Nicolás Alvarez]

> El 7 ene 2016, a las 07:47, Hans De Kryger  
> escribió:
> 
> So i just came across an edit of a user near me that listed the source of his 
> edit as (Google Maps Street View) (1)

This is obviously wrong. Google Street View is not an allowed data source.

> I have just contacted the user asking for more information about his edit and 
> let him know of the the policy of OpenStreetMap not to copy from other maps.
> 
> So i thought i would search tags (source=google) hoping to find any source 
> tagged with the word google anywhere. Assuming there has to be more. Here's 
> what i found (2)
> Seems like any others should be addressed.

But this isn't necessarily wrong. source=google is ambiguous. It could mean 
Google Maps, or it could mean they did a Google search for the information, and 
then wrongly sourced Google instead of the websites found by that search.

In some areas it could also mean data taken from Google Maps satellite imagery 
that Google explicitly allowed the use of, during natural disasters.

Be suspicious of source=google, it's a red flag. But it doesn't immediately 
mean bad data to be removed.

> (1) http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3835343766#map=19/33.85088/-112.10980
> (2) https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=source%3Dgoogle
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Re: [OSM-talk] Is there a OSM map viewer program to dynamically view OSM data?

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2016-01-07 23:58 GMT-03:00 Wuzzy :
> Hi!
>
> I was wondering if there is some standalone application (preferable for
> PC) to view OSM data as a map, but dynamically and locally (not
> from some random computer on the Internet) rendered.
>
> We already have a large number of websites which show OSM data in all
> sorts of different styles and this is pretty cool. But I think all of
> them do not show OSM in its full glory, and they are all tailored to
> a specific use case.
> The www.openstreetmap.org style is already pretty nice IMO but this is
> of course not useful for all use cases.
>
> Also most of the websites them use a pre-rendered “base layer” and just
> put symbols on top of that. This is not what I want.
> Therefore, the KDE program “Marble” does not count. It is able to show
> OSM, but it's just the pre-rendered default layers of
> www.openstreetmap.org.
> JOSM kinda does what I want, but it is obviously not tailored towards
> *viewing* map data for everyday usage.
>
> What I want is an application which renders OSM data directly and based
> on configurable user settings, i.e. switching on and off certain
> features (like country borders) is as simple as clicking a checkbox.
>
> As an analogy, Google Earth has such a feature where you can toggle
> some map features, but it is not based on OSM, obviously and also it is
> rather limited in that sense.
>
> So I wonder, is there already such a tool which has such features? Or
> at least a *similar* tool. It would be very cool if the tool can render
> from OSM data directly, but if some manual conversion would be needed,
> that would be okay.
>
> I should give some examples:
> The program could have a checkbox somewhere to toggle country borders.
> So you click the checkbox and they disappear. Or you could have a map
> where only lanterns or whatever are displayed. Or a map where only the
> surface or landuse types are rendered. Etc. etc. Everything should be
> created dynamically.
>
> The reason why I am looking for such a tool is because I think it would
> be really useful in many aspects.
>
> In case no such program exists, I wonder if there has been made any
> attempt to create such a program (at least).

What do you really mean with "directly"? Would your app fetch raw data
from the OpenStreetMap API like JOSM does? That can't possibly work;
the database, API, and data format are not designed for that. If you
were zoomed out enough to see a whole country, it would have to
download *all* of the data for the country (hundreds of megabytes).
Make your "direct" app see all of spain and wait for a 533 MB download
(which would take the server significant resources and time to
generate and compress) before anything appears...

What you can do is create vector tiles from the openstreetmap data,
with reduced detail at reduced zooms, etc. for example only having
borders and no streets or points of interest when you're looking at
entire countries, and then render *that* with whatever style. But no
matter what, you have to put *some* styling decisions on the
generation of the vector tiles, mainly what data may be visible at
what zooms, eg. to stop residential streets from being on the z2
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Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned buildings

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2016-01-04 20:14 GMT-03:00 John Doe :
> I tagged some abandoned building in my native city with
> abandoned:building=yes (as wiki) and the building name but now i can't
> search these ones with nominatim (no results) and none of these appears on
> mapnik.
> Is prefix abandoned before building=yes really correct?
>

Keep in mind that the whole idea of the "abandoned:" prefix is
programs should only find them if they were explicitly designed to do
so.

For example, if you tag an abandoned gas station as amenity=fuel
abandoned=yes, any software that doesn't know about abandoned= will
think it's a working gas station, it will appear in searches, apps
will tell drivers that there is a gas station nearby, etc. It's better
to tag it as abandoned:amenity=fuel so that any existing software will
take it as an unknown tag and ignore it. If any software wants to show
abandoned gas stations in a different way, eg. as a reference point,
it can have an explicit rule for the tag.

But I'm not sure about building. An abandoned restaurant is not a
restaurant anymore (in the sense that you can't eat there), but an
abandoned building is still a building, so maybe building=yes
abandoned=yes does fit... Or maybe the map should render
abandoned:building.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server on Ubuntu 15.10

[Nicolás Alvarez]

> On Jan 3, 2016, at 02:37, Skyler F  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I am a linux newbie and I really want to get a tile server working on my 
> Ubuntu computer. I have been trying for weeks but nothing is working. 
> 
> Trying from this link:  
> http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Installing-your-own-tileserver-on-Ubuntu-td5172494.html
> Everything works until I get to install libapache2-mod-tile. Even though I 
> have added the correct repository, I still get this error:
> E: Unable to locate package libapache2-mod-tile

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Re: [OSM-talk] Status page down?

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It works for me now.

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2015-12-08 23:16 GMT-03:00 Ben Discoe :
> FWIW, it's now 2:15 AM UTC (past the time it usually updates) and
> there's still no status page at
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/stats/data_stats.html
> Perhaps the bug is still there?
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Tom Hughes  wrote:
>> On 08/12/15 17:45, Ben Discoe wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't been able to reach
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/stats/data_stats.html for the past 17
>>> hours.   Does the link work for others, or is there an ETA for it to come
>>> back?
>>
>>
>> It wasn't generated last night due to a bug, it will be back tonight.
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Re: [OSM-talk] A message to our friends at HOT, Peace Corps etc. about Changeset Comments

[Nicolás Alvarez]

El 19 nov 2015, a las 06:54, Christian Pietzsch  
escribió:

>> 
>> Worse, I see many HOT changesets that have source=Bing in the
>> changeset comment instead of a separate tag.
>> 
>> Although... Does iD allow setting changeset tags?
> 
> The ID Editor doesn't seem to support other changeset tags.
> JOSM supports as much changeset tags as you like, but you have to know that 
> this is possible. I only noticed the other tabs in the upload dialog 
> recently. I always was focused on the "settings" tab where you just can input 
> the comment and the source.

I don't think iD even has a 'source' text field.

> I like the usage of hashtags. It enables you to do better analytics but also 
> has the potential to find the root of errors. We use hashtags in our German 
> "Wochenaufgabe"(weekly task). If a lot of people start to map things in an 
> uncommon way because of the weekly task it would be more easy to know where 
> this idea came from.

Yeah, I wish the massive amount of school-adding newbies in Argentina, whose 
changesets are wrong more often than not, included a hashtag so that we could 
easily find them and clean the mess. They are coming from some sort of course 
that was never discussed with the OSM community. But considering how they can't 
communicate with us or get the students to do the basic things right 
(educational level in level=, own username in operator=, only name= but no 
amenity=school, adding school node that already existed, nodes added in a 
different continent... we have seen it all), I don't think they can get them to 
add a hashtag...

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Re: [OSM-talk] A message to our friends at HOT, Peace Corps etc. about Changeset Comments

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2015-11-19 7:54 GMT-03:00 Mikel Maron :
> ps For the Argentinian case, has anyone asked the local community there to
> reach out? I'm sure they would be able to help them get on the right track.

I am in the local community. It took us months to track down where
this flood of new users making single changes was coming from. We are
now making some progress in contacting the right people.

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Re: [OSM-talk] A message to our friends at HOT, Peace Corps etc. about Changeset Comments

[Nicolás Alvarez]

> El 19 nov 2015, a las 07:16, Ben Abelshausen  
> escribió:
> 
> These changesets are way more useful than most.
> 
> You can go the tasking manager and see exactly what the goal of the mapping 
> activity was, who is the admin that created the task and who validates, what 
> mappers contributed and so on.
> 
> That doesn't mean things couldn't be better. Maybe moving some information to 
> the changeset tags may be a solution, the id of the task for example, and the 
> tile or some description in the comment.

That is very useful information to have **in addition** to a normal changeset 
comment. 

Did you trace roads from imagery, or improve the geometry of an existing road 
and fix the highway= classification as a tile validation step? Did you add 
houses and schools? Is there anything you added where you aren't confident you 
interpreted the satellite imagery right, and someone doing validation should 
pay special attention to?

Here is one of mine from a HOT task: "Finish tracing road, add classification 
to it and some others nearby, trace storage tanks."

In fact, while I usually write descriptive changeset comments, I just took a 
look at my change history and came out thinking I should be (and should have 
been) even *more* verbose. Maybe it's because lately I have been working more 
on software code, where you can sometimes see a three-paragraph commit message 
explaining a 2-line code change...

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Re: [OSM-talk] A message to our friends at HOT, Peace Corps etc. about Changeset Comments

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2015-11-18 21:11 GMT-03:00 Frederik Ramm :
> This is *not* useful. First of all, we're not Twitter; we don't evaluate
> these hashtags. I don't know if there are some downstream services that
> do, but if so, please switch to using a secondary tag (remember,
> changesets, like other OSM objects, can have any number of tags).

Worse, I see many HOT changesets that have source=Bing in the
changeset comment instead of a separate tag.

Although... Does iD allow setting changeset tags?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Why newbies' comment/message response rate is so low?

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2015-11-15 2:06 GMT-03:00 Daniel Koć :
>
> W dniu 14.11.2015 19:44, tony wroblewski napisał(a):
>
>> I think people need a playpen where they can try out ideas and map
>> before contributing to the main map (Maybe there already is, I don't
>> know). I think it should also be a requirement that people add a
>
>
> I think this is the place for playing with editing OSM (sandbox):
>
> http://master.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org

Sure, you can play with editing there. But you can't see the rendered
result, you can't test routing, you can't test searching/geocoding...
Doesn't seem too useful as a sandbox.

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Re: [OSM-talk] opening_hours for turn restriction

[Nicolás Alvarez]

> El 10 nov 2015, a las 09:57, Badita Florin  escribió:
> 
> Hello, i have a question, how do you tag the opening hours for a turn 
> restriction that is activated only during a certain time of day or week.
> Also, do you have an idea what software is using this attributies ?
> 
> http://i.imgur.com/a1eBFoe.jpg
> 
> On the wiki the information is old and also deprecated
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:restriction
> 
> It says about hour_on but on the wiki the tag is not valid. 
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:hour_on
> 
> Should i use the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours tag, as 
> recomented ?
> 
> My fear is that i will add a restriction, and all of the apps that does not 
> parse the opening hours will use this as a default , and will make this 
> restriction permanent, producing maybe more damage then not adding the 
> restriction at all 

I don't know what the correct tag is, and the wiki is inconsistent about it. It 
says hour_on is deprecated in favor of opening_hours and conditional 
restrictions, but the Conditional restrictions page says nothing about turn 
restrictions, and the turn restrictions page says you should use hour_on...

But as far as I know there is no OSM routing engine that supports conditional 
restrictions yet, whatever the tag. It's not an easy problem, especially since 
the algorithm has to consider if the restriction applies at the time the user 
would arrive to that point, rather than at the time he asks for the route at 
the beginning of the trip.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2015-11-01 10:54 GMT-03:00  :
>
>> El 1/11/2015, a las 9:39, Max  escribió:
>>
>>> On 2015년 11월 01일 20:51, Richard wrote:
>>> not long ago (maybe even today?) pharmacies  were not only selling goods but
>>> also producing many kinds of ointments and possibly other things as ordered
>>> by the prescribing physician.
>>>
>>> So "shop" would be a too narrow definition.
>>
>> With that argument you should also change stuff like shop=florist,
>> because they aren't just selling the flowers they buy in bulk, they
>> actually make arrangements and bouquets and stuff...
>
> Okay everyone...
>
> The renderer should render the tags people actually use. amenity=pharmacy is 
> used 1000 times more than other options, so osm-carto is doing the right 
> thing by using that one and only that one.
>
> If you want to discuss changing the tag for pharmacies, make a new thread, 
> perhaps in the tagging@ mailing list.

It seems my message has been ignored so I'm bumping it again.

This thread is called "Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0". The map
style is doing the right thing with respect to pharmacies (renders
most used tag). Nothing else to discuss here. If you disagree with
amenity=pharmacy being the correct tag, take it to another thread.
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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Nicolás Alvarez]

El martes, 8 de septiembre de 2015, Mateusz Konieczny 
escribió:

> On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 13:16:17 +0100
> Lester Caine > wrote:
>
> > On 08/09/15 12:58, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> > >> The historical tag can be used to indicate that the viaduct was
> > >> > previously used as a railway. It should be used in conjunction
> > >> > with other tags such as man_made.
> > > Is there anything **currently** making clear (or at least
> > > indicating) that it is constructed as a railway bridge? Is there
> > > any difference?
> > >
> > > Historical data should not be added and if present - removed.
> >
> > This is perhaps the sticking point?
> > A structure exists due to the previous construction of say a railway
> > and it gets 're-tasked' to something else. If it's called 'the old
> > railway viaduct' then that is acceptable, but if it's just called
> > 'the viaduct' one is not allowed to add in some way 'formally the xxx
> > railway'?
>
> I would map named bridge that no longer has railway as man_made=bridge
> with appropriate name tag.
>
> > formally the xxx railway
>
> So bridge without railway is operated/owned by railway company? It seems
> to fit operator/owner tag.
>

I suspect he meant "formerly" instead of "formally". In fact, given the
context, that is how I (mis)read it at first.


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Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2015-09-07 13:36 GMT-03:00 Maarten Deen :
> On 2015-09-07 17:31, Russ Nelson wrote:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/abandonedrails/permalink/1044885352211646/
>
>
> It's on facebook and I have to log in to see it. I don't have a facebook
> account, so could someone post here whay it says?

"Added a Google Earth map of New York Central RR this morning. It
includes construction history of each line based on ICC valuation info
if you click the line. It includes abandoned routes, so it may be
helpful in exploring those. I still have to add trackage rights in
places. You must have the Google Earth program downloaded on your
computer for it to open."

And a link to a .kmz file for Google Earth.

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Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2015-08-17 6:04 GMT-03:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:



 sent from a phone

  Am 17.08.2015 um 08:28 schrieb Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl:
 
  OSM IDs are too volatile, and IIRC there were objections to putting
 foreign keys (like shop branch numbers) into OSM on the grounds that
 someone would need to maintain that link.


 Some people are adding tax identification numbers for businesses, the tag
 is ref:vatin
 but the number is typically referring to an operator. Of course this has
 to be maintained as well.


I have added many ref:vatin tags in my area. They are easy to survey and
verify: shops either have them in a sign visible from outside, or in a sign
inside near the point of sale, or they are about to get into trouble with
the tax office. They can perhaps serve as foreign keys.

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Re: [OSM-talk] New MapRoulette challenge - fix railway crossings

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2015-07-31 19:42 GMT-03:00 Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org:

 Hi all,

 Partly inspired by Google making noise about saving lives by warning
 people about crossings (see for example

 http://www.transportation.gov/fastlane/fra-google-team-to-incorporate-rail-data-in-maps
 )
 I decided to take that same railroad crossings data from the Federal
 Railway Administration, massage it a bit and turn it into a
 MapRoulette challenge!


Last time I looked at Google Maps, it didn't know about the train in my
area, and even showed some streets as continuous where in fact they were
blocked by the railroad (fence, no level crossing). Now it seems to have
the train but it's missing half the stations and there are still no
pedestrian crossings marked. I guess that's progress?

Yet another case of superior service from OpenStreetMap :)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki does not work anymore (missing Recaptcha API key?)

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2015-01-07 10:49 GMT-03:00 Michael Reichert naka...@gmx.net:
 OSM wiki only shows an error message when trying to view a page. I
 always get
 You need to set $wgReCaptchaPrivateKey and $wgReCaptchaPublicKey in
 LocalSettings.php to use the reCAPTCHA plugin. You can sign up for a
 key here.

 The page I get only contains this text, no HTML header. It seems like
 the Recaptcha API key is not valid anymore. What about to disable the
 plugin and set wiki to read-only (to prevent spam) as a dirty and quick fix?

The wiki works for me, and I can even edit...

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Re: [OSM-talk] Streams / Videos from SOTM 2014

[Nicolás Alvarez]

2014-12-24 0:44 GMT-03:00 Nicolás Alvarez nicolas.alva...@gmail.com:
 Peter Barth osm-peda at won2.de writes:

 Hi,

 is anybody aware if there is a place with the full video stream or *all*
 videos. I saw (in another thread?!) this page on Vimeo¹. From time to
 time someone uploaded further videos but for a week or so nothing changed.
 And I'm pretty sure there are still missing ones.

 Peda

 [1] http://vimeo.com/album/3134207

 I apologize for the delay in uploading the videos, it's entirely my fault
 (and depression, demotivation, etc). Videos from days 1 and 2 are all
 uploaded, but day 3 is not uploaded yet. I'm now back working on it and
 should have them all up soon.

I have uploaded the videos from day 3 to Vimeo.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Streams / Videos from SOTM 2014

[Nicolás Alvarez]

Peter Barth osm-peda at won2.de writes:
 
 Hi,
 
 is anybody aware if there is a place with the full video stream or *all*
 videos. I saw (in another thread?!) this page on Vimeo¹. From time to 
 time someone uploaded further videos but for a week or so nothing changed. 
 And I'm pretty sure there are still missing ones.
 
 Peda
 
 [1] http://vimeo.com/album/3134207

I apologize for the delay in uploading the videos, it's entirely my fault 
(and depression, demotivation, etc). Videos from days 1 and 2 are all 
uploaded, but day 3 is not uploaded yet. I'm now back working on it and 
should have them all up soon.

As for the full unedited video stream, it's only available in a pile of DVDs 
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Re: [talk-latam] sotm latinoamerica 2015

[Nicolás Alvarez]

Ah OK. Entonces es así:

- SotM Latinoamérica 2015 en Chile o Brasil
- SotM Latinoamérica 2016 en Bolivia
- SotM Internacional 2015 en Italia o Canada (son los dos bids, aun no
se eligió uno)
- SotM Internacional 2016 demasiaaado temprano para que se sepa nada

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El 11 de noviembre de 2014, 12:04, Vitor George
vitor.geo...@gmail.com escribió:
 No, la idea es hacer SotM *Latinoamerica* 2016 en Bolivia. Lo propuso Oscar
 Sergio Miranda en la reunión que tuvimos en Buenos Aires.

 2014-11-11 12:43 GMT-02:00 Nicolás Alvarez nicolas.alva...@gmail.com:

 Creo que la idea es hacer el SotM *internacional* en Bolivia para 2016.

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 El 11 de noviembre de 2014, 10:15, Agustin Rissoli
 aguztin...@gmail.com escribió:
  Estoy confundido, ¿no se iba a hacer en Bolivia?
 
  El nov 11, 2014 9:00 AM, talk-latam-requ...@openstreetmap.org
  escribió:
  Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 10:59:52 -0300
  From: Gabriela gabel...@gmail.com
  To: OpenStreetMap Latinoamérica talk-latam@openstreetmap.org
  Subject: [talk-latam] sotm latinoamerica 2015
  Message-ID:
 
  caex4u9upu_elvzzn3ucybbuvdn_fzmhkfatneeocha1czov...@mail.gmail.com
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
 
  Hola!
 
  Aca algunas notas de lo que hablamos durante state of the map en
  Buenos Aires para tener un sotm latinoamerica en 2015. No es para
  meter presión y esperamos a confirmar la gente de Chile si puede tomar
  la organización local o no.
 
  Posibles lugares
  Santiago de Chile, antes/despues de Abrelatam/Condatos (~
  Junio/Julio)
  Brasil
 
  Objetivo
 
  Un espacio donde conectar con organizadores/contribuyentes de OSM en
  Latinoamérica.
  Compartir herramientas y soluciones de mapeo y utilización de datos
  OSM en la región
  Potenciar las comunidades para que se conozca más OSM en la región.
 
 
  Actividades
  Charlas/Talleres
  Mapatón
  Show And Tell
  Consenso sobre tags en la región
 
  Quienes
  Al menos una persona de cada país (~16). Estaria bueno tener a
  algunas de las personas que más han editado/colaborado OSM en cada
  país.
 
  Presupuesto
 
  venue
  internet
  technical equipment
  coffee breaks
 
 
  Posibles sponsors
 
  para logistica
  mapbox
  OSM foundation
  para becas de pasajes (~16)
  posibles sponsors locales para café/almuerzo (tal vez gobierno?)
 
 
  https://etherpad.mozilla.org/sotm-latam
 
  abrazo,
  gaba
 
 
 

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