Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[Water-Map]

Hi Jake, CJ and Silent Spike et al.

It's probably a bit early, but could OSM UK  consider drinking water to be
a Q2 21 project theme ; ie adding more public  water fountains and refill
cafés to the database?

If there is a tentative consensus on this idea over next month or so, I
will try to make the same pitch on the French talk channel and possibly
others.

Q2 21 could be good as elementary schools are still in session and the
weather will be getting a bit better.

Best regards,

Stuart

PS: Water-Map is currently in the process of adding 20 cafes to the refill
network in Sri Lanka with the help of a local NGO in Arugam Bay.


On Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 06:13 European Water Project <
europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Silent Spike
>
> I agree that this project should probably not be prioritized for Q220
> given the global coronavirus pandemic.
>
> Maybe we can revisit for Q320 or Q420?
>
> In the meantime, if people can tag a couple of refill establishments here
> and there on an adhoc basis, it would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stuart
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 21:20 Silent Spike  wrote:
>
>> I support and appreciate the initiative and motivation for reducing
>> single use plastic water bottles, but I'm not convinced mapping this data
>> is such a priority for a quarterly project right now.
>>
>> Unsure if it differs across the UK, but I know here in Scotland I could
>> pretty quickly find somewhere willing to refill my water bottle in any
>> populated area (which makes this refill tagging most useful in more remote
>> locations or for analysis/statistical purposes).
>>
>> Surely there's something more relevant we could prioritise with the
>> currently ongoing epidemic in mind.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 6:07 PM European Water Project <
>> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Phil,
>>>
>>> 1) I carry a reusable water bottle with me all the time and I do fill up
>>> when I am traveling.
>>>
>>> 2) 1 million water bottles are manufactured every minute in the world
>>> and one third of plastic waste on beaches is water bottles . I added
>>> subtitles to this French Brut video (with their permission). It gives an
>>> overview of the  water bottles plastic issue.
>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Mp6Gpq32xcxQ5OFfbI_gGELRAY4k6uV-
>>>
>>> 3) Your point about supermarket packaging is not so off topic. But, I
>>> think it is important not to create opposition between two important
>>> issues. Plastic packaging needs to be addressed as well.
>>>
>>> Combatting single-use plastic for water bottles has the advantage that
>>> there is an readily available cheaper alternative - high quality TAP WATER
>>> which everyone in Europe has access to (with very few exceptions).  I hope
>>> people who voluntarily adopt reusable water bottles will also become more
>>> ecological conscious citizens and pressure supermarkets directly and
>>> indirectly to reduce plastic packaging.
>>>
>>> 4) Refill UK has over 25,000 establishments and there are quite a few
>>> parallel networks which are very similar.
>>>
>>> I agree 100% about the lack of transparency of Refill data.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 at 18:31, Philip Barnes 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Sat, 2020-03-14 at 18:59 +0100, European Water Project wrote:

 Hi Phil,

 I respect your opinion about the fit for the Quarterly Project. I don't
 know enough about the project criteria to have an opinion - even if I am
 passionate on the subject.


 I do understand you passion on the subject, although it does seem to me
 to be such a tiny problem in terms of plastic waste.

 How often do you take water when you leave home and need to refill it?

 I know this is going off-topic but a far bigger problem is the recent
 trend for supermarkets to go back to the 70s and sell fruit and vegetables
 in plastic packaging again, rather than weigh it at the checkout.

 This unnecessary food packaging is by far the bulk of the contents of
 my recycling box.


 With respect to the locations, there are about 25,000 in the UK and
 Northern Ireland.


 I think their lack of transparency is a big problem, licensing as
 opendata is one issue however the website doesn't even provide information
 in for personal use.

 What information they do provide suggests there are none in either
 Telford or Shrewsbury, or my small North Shropshire town.

 However I have since found stickers at three on cafes in my small town,
 there are only five in total, so quite a good uptake.

 Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[European Water Project]

Dear CJ et al.,

I have added the ability to take pictures directly in the app of drinking
water fountains and refill cafés which are already in OSM and showing in
the European Water Project Web App.

https://europeanwaterproject.org?lang=EN

Capturing an image from the webrtc camera and adding the users geo
coordinates to the exif meta data was a challenge.  The user takes the
geolocalized picture within the app and it shows up immediately within the
app after getting stored on an AWS  S3 storage (with the exif meta data).
 After that, the images are semi-manually copied to Mapillary and linked to
OpenStreetMap objects. I am separately in discussions with Wikimedia about
seeing if there is streamlined way to add the images on Commons as well.

Here is a video of how the image capture process works:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1XbYC1xwsjCySv1g9LPHx3zX07SNtCeuI

Best regards,

Stuart

PS : It's great to see so many refill cafés showing up on the map. We are
almost at 300 refill establishments !



On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 14:01, European Water Project <
europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear CJ,
>
> I agree with your opinion of how open data Refill really is.
>
> The idea of contacting chains in Q3 or Q4 (or early next year depending on
> how the current crisis unfolds) makes a lot of sense.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stuart
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 13:55 Cj Malone  wrote:
>
>> "You can download our proprietary app, that uses our proprietary data, on
>> 2 proprietary app stores, on 2 proprietary platforms. The app is open."
>>
>> Doesn't make much sense to me, but oh well.
>>
>> Seriously though, I added the only local place I know about. But would it
>> be appropriate to contact some of the corporate chains involved, like Costa
>> and Starbucks, see if it is 100% universal across there UK stores and then
>> talk about an bulk import?
>>
>> Cj
>>
>> On 20 March 2020 10:55:39 GMT, European Water Project <
>> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> Just got off a long conversation with Rebecca Burgess, CEO of Refill.
>>>
>>> Unsurprisingly, Refill has no plans to share any of their proprietary
>>> data, but their App is open because anybody can use it  :)
>>>
>>> Refill has plans to use more and more OpenStreetMap data to populate
>>> their network over time without re-contributing ...   Just a shame everyone
>>> can't just use the Refill App (sarcasm) !
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>> PS: Stay safe !
>>>
>>> On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 23:59, European Water Project <
>>> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Dear Andy,

 If Refill.org.uk  were to "license" their data to OSM, under what
 terms would that be concretely?  I don't want to misspeak (not show my
 total ignorance on the subject) when I talk to Rebecca Burgess, the Refill
 CEO on Tuesday.

 In the unlikely event that Refill's position changes, with whom can I
 put her in contact with?

 Best regards,

 Stuart

 On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 21:10 Andy Mabbett 
 wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 11:27, Jake Edmonds via Talk-GB
>  wrote:
> >
> >  I understand Refill.org.uk are unwilling to license their data.
>
> They said this in July 2017:
>
>https://twitter.com/Refill/status/31637345234945
>
> I've been pressing them on the point of open licensing, recently:
>
>https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1216689988357718018
>
> and have again today chased them for a response:
>
>https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1238919492568260609
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[European Water Project]

Dear CJ,

I agree with your opinion of how open data Refill really is.

The idea of contacting chains in Q3 or Q4 (or early next year depending on
how the current crisis unfolds) makes a lot of sense.

Best regards,

Stuart


On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 13:55 Cj Malone  wrote:

> "You can download our proprietary app, that uses our proprietary data, on
> 2 proprietary app stores, on 2 proprietary platforms. The app is open."
>
> Doesn't make much sense to me, but oh well.
>
> Seriously though, I added the only local place I know about. But would it
> be appropriate to contact some of the corporate chains involved, like Costa
> and Starbucks, see if it is 100% universal across there UK stores and then
> talk about an bulk import?
>
> Cj
>
> On 20 March 2020 10:55:39 GMT, European Water Project <
> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Just got off a long conversation with Rebecca Burgess, CEO of Refill.
>>
>> Unsurprisingly, Refill has no plans to share any of their proprietary
>> data, but their App is open because anybody can use it  :)
>>
>> Refill has plans to use more and more OpenStreetMap data to populate
>> their network over time without re-contributing ...   Just a shame everyone
>> can't just use the Refill App (sarcasm) !
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>> PS: Stay safe !
>>
>> On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 23:59, European Water Project <
>> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Andy,
>>>
>>> If Refill.org.uk  were to "license" their data to OSM, under what terms
>>> would that be concretely?  I don't want to misspeak (not show my total
>>> ignorance on the subject) when I talk to Rebecca Burgess, the Refill CEO on
>>> Tuesday.
>>>
>>> In the unlikely event that Refill's position changes, with whom can I
>>> put her in contact with?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 21:10 Andy Mabbett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 11:27, Jake Edmonds via Talk-GB
  wrote:
 >
 >  I understand Refill.org.uk are unwilling to license their data.

 They said this in July 2017:

https://twitter.com/Refill/status/31637345234945

 I've been pressing them on the point of open licensing, recently:

https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1216689988357718018

 and have again today chased them for a response:

https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1238919492568260609

 --
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 @Pigsonthewing
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[Cj Malone]

"You can download our proprietary app, that uses our proprietary data, on 2 
proprietary app stores, on 2 proprietary platforms. The app is open."

Doesn't make much sense to me, but oh well.

Seriously though, I added the only local place I know about. But would it be 
appropriate to contact some of the corporate chains involved, like Costa and 
Starbucks, see if it is 100% universal across there UK stores and then talk 
about an bulk import?

Cj

On 20 March 2020 10:55:39 GMT, European Water Project 
 wrote:
>Dear All,
>
>Just got off a long conversation with Rebecca Burgess, CEO of Refill.
>
>Unsurprisingly, Refill has no plans to share any of their proprietary
>data,
>but their App is open because anybody can use it  :)
>
>Refill has plans to use more and more OpenStreetMap data to populate
>their
>network over time without re-contributing ...   Just a shame everyone
>can't
>just use the Refill App (sarcasm) !
>
>Best regards,
>
>Stuart
>
>PS: Stay safe !
>
>On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 23:59, European Water Project <
>europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Andy,
>>
>> If Refill.org.uk  were to "license" their data to OSM, under what
>terms
>> would that be concretely?  I don't want to misspeak (not show my
>total
>> ignorance on the subject) when I talk to Rebecca Burgess, the Refill
>CEO on
>> Tuesday.
>>
>> In the unlikely event that Refill's position changes, with whom can I
>put
>> her in contact with?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 21:10 Andy Mabbett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 11:27, Jake Edmonds via Talk-GB
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >  I understand Refill.org.uk are unwilling to license their data.
>>>
>>> They said this in July 2017:
>>>
>>>https://twitter.com/Refill/status/31637345234945
>>>
>>> I've been pressing them on the point of open licensing, recently:
>>>
>>>https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1216689988357718018
>>>
>>> and have again today chased them for a response:
>>>
>>>https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1238919492568260609
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andy Mabbett
>>> @Pigsonthewing
>>> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[Mark Goodge]

On 20/03/2020 10:55, European Water Project wrote:

Dear All,

Just got off a long conversation with Rebecca Burgess, CEO of Refill.

Unsurprisingly, Refill has no plans to share any of their proprietary 
data, but their App is open because anybody can use it  :)


For comparison purposes, I installed their app. While their base list of 
establishments in my town that offer free refills concurs with my own 
observations and council data, their mapping is awful. They've moved 
Tesco half a mile further down the road than it really is. A local 
independent coffee shop is on the wrong street. A cafe that I use 
regularly is in completely the wrong part of town! In fact, of the six 
locations they list here, only one of them (Wetherspoons!) has the 
correct coordinates.


So they've clearly got significant quality control issues. It seems to 
me that an Open Data product based on OSM would be more reliable than 
their solution, however it's being implemented. Provided the location of 
a premises is correct in OSM (which it usually is), then simply tagging 
that premises as offering free refills provides all the information 
necessary. The Refill app, by contrast, expects users to supply 
coordinates themselves (by dragging and tapping on a map), which is 
always likely to be unreliable.


Refill has plans to use more and more OpenStreetMap data to populate 
their network over time without re-contributing ...   Just a shame 
everyone can't just use the Refill App (sarcasm) !


Based on what I've seen, people are better off not using it.

Mark

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[European Water Project]

Dear All,

Just got off a long conversation with Rebecca Burgess, CEO of Refill.

Unsurprisingly, Refill has no plans to share any of their proprietary data,
but their App is open because anybody can use it  :)

Refill has plans to use more and more OpenStreetMap data to populate their
network over time without re-contributing ...   Just a shame everyone can't
just use the Refill App (sarcasm) !

Best regards,

Stuart

PS: Stay safe !

On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 23:59, European Water Project <
europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Andy,
>
> If Refill.org.uk  were to "license" their data to OSM, under what terms
> would that be concretely?  I don't want to misspeak (not show my total
> ignorance on the subject) when I talk to Rebecca Burgess, the Refill CEO on
> Tuesday.
>
> In the unlikely event that Refill's position changes, with whom can I put
> her in contact with?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stuart
>
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 21:10 Andy Mabbett 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 11:27, Jake Edmonds via Talk-GB
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> >  I understand Refill.org.uk are unwilling to license their data.
>>
>> They said this in July 2017:
>>
>>https://twitter.com/Refill/status/31637345234945
>>
>> I've been pressing them on the point of open licensing, recently:
>>
>>https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1216689988357718018
>>
>> and have again today chased them for a response:
>>
>>https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1238919492568260609
>>
>> --
>> Andy Mabbett
>> @Pigsonthewing
>> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[European Water Project]

Hi Silent Spike

I agree that this project should probably not be prioritized for Q220 given
the global coronavirus pandemic.

Maybe we can revisit for Q320 or Q420?

In the meantime, if people can tag a couple of refill establishments here
and there on an adhoc basis, it would be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Stuart


On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 21:20 Silent Spike  wrote:

> I support and appreciate the initiative and motivation for reducing single
> use plastic water bottles, but I'm not convinced mapping this data is such
> a priority for a quarterly project right now.
>
> Unsure if it differs across the UK, but I know here in Scotland I could
> pretty quickly find somewhere willing to refill my water bottle in any
> populated area (which makes this refill tagging most useful in more remote
> locations or for analysis/statistical purposes).
>
> Surely there's something more relevant we could prioritise with the
> currently ongoing epidemic in mind.
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 6:07 PM European Water Project <
> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Phil,
>>
>> 1) I carry a reusable water bottle with me all the time and I do fill up
>> when I am traveling.
>>
>> 2) 1 million water bottles are manufactured every minute in the world and
>> one third of plastic waste on beaches is water bottles . I added subtitles
>> to this French Brut video (with their permission). It gives an overview of
>> the  water bottles plastic issue.
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Mp6Gpq32xcxQ5OFfbI_gGELRAY4k6uV-
>>
>> 3) Your point about supermarket packaging is not so off topic. But, I
>> think it is important not to create opposition between two important
>> issues. Plastic packaging needs to be addressed as well.
>>
>> Combatting single-use plastic for water bottles has the advantage that
>> there is an readily available cheaper alternative - high quality TAP WATER
>> which everyone in Europe has access to (with very few exceptions).  I hope
>> people who voluntarily adopt reusable water bottles will also become more
>> ecological conscious citizens and pressure supermarkets directly and
>> indirectly to reduce plastic packaging.
>>
>> 4) Refill UK has over 25,000 establishments and there are quite a few
>> parallel networks which are very similar.
>>
>> I agree 100% about the lack of transparency of Refill data.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 at 18:31, Philip Barnes  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 2020-03-14 at 18:59 +0100, European Water Project wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Phil,
>>>
>>> I respect your opinion about the fit for the Quarterly Project. I don't
>>> know enough about the project criteria to have an opinion - even if I am
>>> passionate on the subject.
>>>
>>>
>>> I do understand you passion on the subject, although it does seem to me
>>> to be such a tiny problem in terms of plastic waste.
>>>
>>> How often do you take water when you leave home and need to refill it?
>>>
>>> I know this is going off-topic but a far bigger problem is the recent
>>> trend for supermarkets to go back to the 70s and sell fruit and vegetables
>>> in plastic packaging again, rather than weigh it at the checkout.
>>>
>>> This unnecessary food packaging is by far the bulk of the contents of my
>>> recycling box.
>>>
>>>
>>> With respect to the locations, there are about 25,000 in the UK and
>>> Northern Ireland.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think their lack of transparency is a big problem, licensing as
>>> opendata is one issue however the website doesn't even provide information
>>> in for personal use.
>>>
>>> What information they do provide suggests there are none in either
>>> Telford or Shrewsbury, or my small North Shropshire town.
>>>
>>> However I have since found stickers at three on cafes in my small town,
>>> there are only five in total, so quite a good uptake.
>>>
>>> Phil (trigpoint)
>>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[Silent Spike]

I support and appreciate the initiative and motivation for reducing single
use plastic water bottles, but I'm not convinced mapping this data is such
a priority for a quarterly project right now.

Unsure if it differs across the UK, but I know here in Scotland I could
pretty quickly find somewhere willing to refill my water bottle in any
populated area (which makes this refill tagging most useful in more remote
locations or for analysis/statistical purposes).

Surely there's something more relevant we could prioritise with the
currently ongoing epidemic in mind.

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 6:07 PM European Water Project <
europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Phil,
>
> 1) I carry a reusable water bottle with me all the time and I do fill up
> when I am traveling.
>
> 2) 1 million water bottles are manufactured every minute in the world and
> one third of plastic waste on beaches is water bottles . I added subtitles
> to this French Brut video (with their permission). It gives an overview of
> the  water bottles plastic issue.
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Mp6Gpq32xcxQ5OFfbI_gGELRAY4k6uV-
>
> 3) Your point about supermarket packaging is not so off topic. But, I
> think it is important not to create opposition between two important
> issues. Plastic packaging needs to be addressed as well.
>
> Combatting single-use plastic for water bottles has the advantage that
> there is an readily available cheaper alternative - high quality TAP WATER
> which everyone in Europe has access to (with very few exceptions).  I hope
> people who voluntarily adopt reusable water bottles will also become more
> ecological conscious citizens and pressure supermarkets directly and
> indirectly to reduce plastic packaging.
>
> 4) Refill UK has over 25,000 establishments and there are quite a few
> parallel networks which are very similar.
>
> I agree 100% about the lack of transparency of Refill data.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 at 18:31, Philip Barnes  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2020-03-14 at 18:59 +0100, European Water Project wrote:
>>
>> Hi Phil,
>>
>> I respect your opinion about the fit for the Quarterly Project. I don't
>> know enough about the project criteria to have an opinion - even if I am
>> passionate on the subject.
>>
>>
>> I do understand you passion on the subject, although it does seem to me
>> to be such a tiny problem in terms of plastic waste.
>>
>> How often do you take water when you leave home and need to refill it?
>>
>> I know this is going off-topic but a far bigger problem is the recent
>> trend for supermarkets to go back to the 70s and sell fruit and vegetables
>> in plastic packaging again, rather than weigh it at the checkout.
>>
>> This unnecessary food packaging is by far the bulk of the contents of my
>> recycling box.
>>
>>
>> With respect to the locations, there are about 25,000 in the UK and
>> Northern Ireland.
>>
>>
>> I think their lack of transparency is a big problem, licensing as
>> opendata is one issue however the website doesn't even provide information
>> in for personal use.
>>
>> What information they do provide suggests there are none in either
>> Telford or Shrewsbury, or my small North Shropshire town.
>>
>> However I have since found stickers at three on cafes in my small town,
>> there are only five in total, so quite a good uptake.
>>
>> Phil (trigpoint)
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[European Water Project]

Hi Phil,

1) I carry a reusable water bottle with me all the time and I do fill up
when I am traveling.

2) 1 million water bottles are manufactured every minute in the world and
one third of plastic waste on beaches is water bottles . I added subtitles
to this French Brut video (with their permission). It gives an overview of
the  water bottles plastic issue.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Mp6Gpq32xcxQ5OFfbI_gGELRAY4k6uV-

3) Your point about supermarket packaging is not so off topic. But, I think
it is important not to create opposition between two important issues.
Plastic packaging needs to be addressed as well.

Combatting single-use plastic for water bottles has the advantage that
there is an readily available cheaper alternative - high quality TAP WATER
which everyone in Europe has access to (with very few exceptions).  I hope
people who voluntarily adopt reusable water bottles will also become more
ecological conscious citizens and pressure supermarkets directly and
indirectly to reduce plastic packaging.

4) Refill UK has over 25,000 establishments and there are quite a few
parallel networks which are very similar.

I agree 100% about the lack of transparency of Refill data.

Best regards,

Stuart




On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 at 18:31, Philip Barnes  wrote:

> On Sat, 2020-03-14 at 18:59 +0100, European Water Project wrote:
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> I respect your opinion about the fit for the Quarterly Project. I don't
> know enough about the project criteria to have an opinion - even if I am
> passionate on the subject.
>
>
> I do understand you passion on the subject, although it does seem to me to
> be such a tiny problem in terms of plastic waste.
>
> How often do you take water when you leave home and need to refill it?
>
> I know this is going off-topic but a far bigger problem is the recent
> trend for supermarkets to go back to the 70s and sell fruit and vegetables
> in plastic packaging again, rather than weigh it at the checkout.
>
> This unnecessary food packaging is by far the bulk of the contents of my
> recycling box.
>
>
> With respect to the locations, there are about 25,000 in the UK and
> Northern Ireland.
>
>
> I think their lack of transparency is a big problem, licensing as opendata
> is one issue however the website doesn't even provide information in for
> personal use.
>
> What information they do provide suggests there are none in either Telford
> or Shrewsbury, or my small North Shropshire town.
>
> However I have since found stickers at three on cafes in my small town,
> there are only five in total, so quite a good uptake.
>
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[Philip Barnes]

On Sat, 2020-03-14 at 19:09 +, Mark Goodge wrote:
> 
> People are beginning to get more used to doing that, though. A lot
> of 
> coffee shop chains offer a discount for people bringing a re-usable
> cup. 
> Waitrose gives customers free coffee if they have a re-usable cup.
> So 
> the principle is taking hold.
> 
I'm probably not in the takeaway coffee demographic, on the rare
occasion when I buy coffee out I would rather sit down and drink it out
of a proper cup :)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[Philip Barnes]

On Sat, 2020-03-14 at 18:59 +0100, European Water Project wrote:
> Hi Phil,
> I respect your opinion about the fit for the Quarterly Project. I
> don't know enough about the project criteria to have an opinion -
> even if I am passionate on the subject.

I do understand you passion on the subject, although it does seem to me
to be such a tiny problem in terms of plastic waste. 

How often do you take water when you leave home and need to refill it?

I know this is going off-topic but a far bigger problem is the recent
trend for supermarkets to go back to the 70s and sell fruit and
vegetables in plastic packaging again, rather than weigh it at the
checkout. 

This unnecessary food packaging is by far the bulk of the contents of
my recycling box.

> With respect to the locations, there are about 25,000 in the UK and
> Northern Ireland.

I think their lack of transparency is a big problem, licensing as
opendata is one issue however the website doesn't even provide
information in for personal use.

What information they do provide suggests there are none in either
Telford or Shrewsbury, or my small North Shropshire town.

However I have since found stickers at three on cafes in my small town,
there are only five in total, so quite a good uptake.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[European Water Project]

Dear Andy,

If Refill.org.uk  were to "license" their data to OSM, under what terms
would that be concretely?  I don't want to misspeak (not show my total
ignorance on the subject) when I talk to Rebecca Burgess, the Refill CEO on
Tuesday.

In the unlikely event that Refill's position changes, with whom can I put
her in contact with?

Best regards,

Stuart

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> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 11:27, Jake Edmonds via Talk-GB
>  wrote:
> >
> >  I understand Refill.org.uk are unwilling to license their data.
>
> They said this in July 2017:
>
>https://twitter.com/Refill/status/31637345234945
>
> I've been pressing them on the point of open licensing, recently:
>
>https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1216689988357718018
>
> and have again today chased them for a response:
>
>https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1238919492568260609
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[European Water Project]

In response to the question regarding the tagging the network name with the
drinking_water:refill:network key, there is value for a network which
becomes an open data partner and takes ownership for maintaining the
accuracy of "their" network. Extracting via the overpass API all
establishments that belong to a specific refill network I think will
facilitate this maintenance by mappers and network owners.


Proper database maintenance for establishments is especially important,
given the current half-life of cafés and restaurants.

Best regards,

Stuart


On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 21:33 Jake Edmonds via Talk-GB <
talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

>
>
> > On 14 Mar 2020, at 21:21, Mark Goodge  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 14/03/2020 19:36, Jake Edmonds wrote:
> >>> On 14 Mar 2020, at 20:09, Mark Goodge  m...@good-stuff.co.uk>> wrote:
> >
> >>> If we do come up with an agreed tagging system, I'd be happy to add
> tags for all the establishments in my town that I know offer this service.
> >> Maybe you have already seen them, but here is a link to the recently
> approved tags. Do you have any thoughts?
> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Adrinking_water%3Arefill
> >
> > That seems reasonable. My only real concern is that tagging as part of a
> network could cause the network to think that we are re-creating their
> proprietary database. I'd prefer to stick with a simple
> drinking_water:refill=yes
> Is that a concern from a legal standpoint or an attempt to keep a good
> relationship between OSM and Refill (or any other network?)
> As a consumer, I’m looking for a place to refill my bottle, I’m not so
> concerned about which network the establishment is part of. Maybe I missed
> it, but I can’t remember any discuss from the proposal about why
> drink_water:refill:network was needed, maybe Stuart can clarify?
>
> But could the same thing be said about most brand related tags in OSM?
>
> >
> >>> And I could do that purely by observation; I don't have the Refill app
> or any other insight into their database, so there's no danger of adding
> non-free data to OSM. I'm sure that there are plenty of other people up and
> down the country who would be in a similar position.
> >> Another way to avoid any worry of users submitting non-free data is to
> make storefront photos part of the project.
> >
> > Possibly, although that makes it less likely that we'll get a critical
> mass of contributions. I could tag several establishments in my town from
> memory. Having to go back and photograph them would be an additional
> barrier.
>
> Of course, I certainly didn’t mean to suggest it as a requirement but more
> of an optional extension that would serve to both give users greater detail
> and help contributors ‘prove’ that they were not copy Refills data.
>
> >
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

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> On 14 Mar 2020, at 21:21, Mark Goodge  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 14/03/2020 19:36, Jake Edmonds wrote:
>>> On 14 Mar 2020, at 20:09, Mark Goodge >> > wrote:
> 
>>> If we do come up with an agreed tagging system, I'd be happy to add tags 
>>> for all the establishments in my town that I know offer this service. 
>> Maybe you have already seen them, but here is a link to the recently 
>> approved tags. Do you have any thoughts?
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Adrinking_water%3Arefill
> 
> That seems reasonable. My only real concern is that tagging as part of a 
> network could cause the network to think that we are re-creating their 
> proprietary database. I'd prefer to stick with a simple 
> drinking_water:refill=yes
Is that a concern from a legal standpoint or an attempt to keep a good 
relationship between OSM and Refill (or any other network?)
As a consumer, I’m looking for a place to refill my bottle, I’m not so 
concerned about which network the establishment is part of. Maybe I missed it, 
but I can’t remember any discuss from the proposal about why 
drink_water:refill:network was needed, maybe Stuart can clarify?

But could the same thing be said about most brand related tags in OSM?

> 
>>> And I could do that purely by observation; I don't have the Refill app or 
>>> any other insight into their database, so there's no danger of adding 
>>> non-free data to OSM. I'm sure that there are plenty of other people up and 
>>> down the country who would be in a similar position.
>> Another way to avoid any worry of users submitting non-free data is to make 
>> storefront photos part of the project.
> 
> Possibly, although that makes it less likely that we'll get a critical mass 
> of contributions. I could tag several establishments in my town from memory. 
> Having to go back and photograph them would be an additional barrier.

Of course, I certainly didn’t mean to suggest it as a requirement but more of 
an optional extension that would serve to both give users greater detail and 
help contributors ‘prove’ that they were not copy Refills data.

> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[Mark Goodge]

On 14/03/2020 19:36, Jake Edmonds wrote:



On 14 Mar 2020, at 20:09, Mark Goodge > wrote:


If we do come up with an agreed tagging system, I'd be happy to add 
tags for all the establishments in my town that I know offer this 
service. 


Maybe you have already seen them, but here is a link to the recently 
approved tags. Do you have any thoughts?


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Adrinking_water%3Arefill


That seems reasonable. My only real concern is that tagging as part of a 
network could cause the network to think that we are re-creating their 
proprietary database. I'd prefer to stick with a simple 
drinking_water:refill=yes




And I could do that purely by observation; I don't have the Refill app 
or any other insight into their database, so there's no danger of 
adding non-free data to OSM. I'm sure that there are plenty of other 
people up and down the country who would be in a similar position.


Another way to avoid any worry of users submitting non-free data is to 
make storefront photos part of the project.


Possibly, although that makes it less likely that we'll get a critical 
mass of contributions. I could tag several establishments in my town 
from memory. Having to go back and photograph them would be an 
additional barrier.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[Andy Mabbett]

On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 11:27, Jake Edmonds via Talk-GB
 wrote:
>
>  I understand Refill.org.uk are unwilling to license their data.

They said this in July 2017:

   https://twitter.com/Refill/status/31637345234945

I've been pressing them on the point of open licensing, recently:

   https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1216689988357718018

and have again today chased them for a response:

   https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1238919492568260609

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[Mark Goodge]

On 14/03/2020 17:45, Philip Barnes wrote:

They do seem very secretive about the locations of these outlets, there 
appears to be no indication on their website even beyond there may be 
one somewhere in this area.


They came to the council that I sit on to ask for grant funding to get 
the scheme up and running in our area. One of the objections raised at 
the time was the lack of transparency around the scheme, and in 
particular the fact that if we did fund it, we appeared to be locking 
ourselves into a proprietary system if we wanted to promote it. Although 
a small amount of funding was approved, I suspect that it will not be 
if/when they come back to us for more. It does, unfortunately, seem to 
have more the feel of a device to sell branded water bottles than a 
genuine public service.


As it stands it does not appear to be a viable quarterly project. We 
have no indication of how common these places are, or their geographical 
spread meaning it is not a project all mappers can participate in.


I would disagree with this. I think that an observation-based database 
of establishments offering free water is, potentially, very useful. But 
it needs a certain critical mass to work, and it needs the help of 
people who can act as local observers. It seems to me that the OSM 
community is a good place to find that.


If we do come up with an agreed tagging system, I'd be happy to add tags 
for all the establishments in my town that I know offer this service. 
And I could do that purely by observation; I don't have the Refill app 
or any other insight into their database, so there's no danger of adding 
non-free data to OSM. I'm sure that there are plenty of other people up 
and down the country who would be in a similar position.



Also are these bottles just another 'single use' 'bag for life >
Like bags for life, their reuse is heavily dependent on them being 
remembered next time, and most people forget to take them, or leave home 
not realising they will even need them.


People are beginning to get more used to doing that, though. A lot of 
coffee shop chains offer a discount for people bringing a re-usable cup. 
Waitrose gives customers free coffee if they have a re-usable cup. So 
the principle is taking hold.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[European Water Project]

Hi Phil,

I respect your opinion about the fit for the Quarterly Project. I don't
know enough about the project criteria to have an opinion - even if I am
passionate on the subject.

With respect to the locations, there are about 25,000 in the UK and
Northern Ireland.

The establishments don't sell reusable water bottles, they just offer free
water bottle refill to everyone as part of the battle against single-use
plastic.

Maybe a call to map on an adhoc basis is more appropriate.

I will report back with feedback on my call on Tuesday.

Best regards,

Stuart


On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 18:46 Philip Barnes  wrote:

> On Sat, 2020-03-14 at 12:17 +0100, European Water Project wrote:
>
> Dear Jez,
>
> Gus Hoyt who was responsible at Refill UK (before being made redundant),
> for all partnerships was a vocal proponent of collaboration and open data.
>
> Unfortunately, the Refill board has consistently voted to keep their data
> proprietary to support their revenue model based on paid partnerships and
> margins on Chilly bottles.
>
> On one hand, I am very impressed by the achievements Refill UK has made
> and their significant impact in combatting single-use plastic so I really
> hope them success.  On the other hand, I think collaboration and open data
> is a better model for the creation and maintenance of a global network of
> water fountains and commercial establishments where anyone can refill their
> reusable water bottle without creating single-use waste.
>
> I will send out call notes next week.
>
> They do seem very secretive about the locations of these outlets, there
> appears to be no indication on their website even beyond there may be one
> somewhere in this area.
>
> As it stands it does not appear to be a viable quarterly project. We have
> no indication of how common these places are, or their geographical spread
> meaning it is not a project all mappers can participate in.
>
> Also are these bottles just another 'single use' 'bag for life'?
>
> Like bags for life, their reuse is heavily dependent on them being
> remembered next time, and most people forget to take them, or leave home
> not realising they will even need them.
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[Philip Barnes]

On Sat, 2020-03-14 at 12:17 +0100, European Water Project wrote:
> Dear Jez,
> Gus Hoyt who was responsible at Refill UK (before being made
> redundant), for all partnerships was a vocal proponent of
> collaboration and open data.  
> 
> Unfortunately, the Refill board has consistently voted to keep their
> data proprietary to support their revenue model based on paid
> partnerships and margins on Chilly bottles. 
> 
> On one hand, I am very impressed by the achievements Refill UK has
> made and their significant impact in combatting single-use plastic so
> I really hope them success.  On the other hand, I think collaboration
> and open data is a better model for the creation and maintenance of a
> global network of water fountains and commercial establishments where
> anyone can refill their reusable water bottle without creating
> single-use waste. 
> 
> I will send out call notes next week. 
> 
They do seem very secretive about the locations of these outlets, there
appears to be no indication on their website even beyond there may be
one somewhere in this area. 

As it stands it does not appear to be a viable quarterly project. We
have no indication of how common these places are, or their
geographical spread meaning it is not a project all mappers can
participate in.

Also are these bottles just another 'single use' 'bag for life'?  
Like bags for life, their reuse is heavily dependent on them being
remembered next time, and most people forget to take them, or leave
home not realising they will even need them.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[European Water Project]

Dear Jez,

Gus Hoyt who was responsible at Refill UK (before being made redundant),
for all partnerships was a vocal proponent of collaboration and open data.

Unfortunately, the Refill board has consistently voted to keep their data
proprietary to support their revenue model based on paid partnerships and
margins on Chilly bottles.

On one hand, I am very impressed by the achievements Refill UK has made and
their significant impact in combatting single-use plastic so I really hope
them success.  On the other hand, I think collaboration and open data is a
better model for the creation and maintenance of a global network of water
fountains and commercial establishments where anyone can refill their
reusable water bottle without creating single-use waste.

I will send out call notes next week.

best regards,

Stuart



On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 11:37, Jez Nicholson  wrote:

> It will be interesting to hear about Refill UK's policy on Open Data.
> Perhaps they believe that their business model is inoperable if the data is
> open?
>
> I believe that they are a figurehead project from Ordnance Survey's
> Geovation scheme. I hope that they haven't tainted their data.
>
> On Fri, 13 Mar 2020, 10:55 European Water Project, <
> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am due to have a call Tuesday morning (17/3) with Rebecca Burgess, CEO
>>> of Refill UK (https://refill.org.uk/ )  and the parent organisation
>>> City to Sea( https://www.citytosea.org.uk/ ) . This is one of many
>>> calls I have had with Refill.
>>>
>>> The Refill board's reluctance to share/license water refill data openly
>>> is very unfortunate.  Refill requires all partners to exclusively sell
>>> Chilly water bottles and only use their application.  I hope we can
>>> convince Refill to reconsider.
>>>
>>
>>
>>> Building a global open database of water refill points would be
>>> beneficial to all - resulting in a larger and better maintained network and
>>> less single-use plastic !
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Gareth L 
>>> *Date:* 12 March 2020 at 12:36:14 CET
>>> *To:* Jake Edmonds 
>>> *Cc:* "talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" 
>>> *Subject:* *Re:  [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion -
>>> drink_water:refill*
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Jake,
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting about this. I’m due to post on the Osm-uk loomio
>>> asking for suggestions on what the Q2 project should be. Are you aware of
>>> any other viable sources of data beyond an in person survey?
>>> I wonder why refill wouldn’t want to license their data.
>>>
>>> Gareth
>>>
>>> On 12 Mar 2020, at 11:27, Jake Edmonds via Talk-GB <
>>> talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I understand there is an existing suggestion on the UK Quarterly
>>> Project talk page about drinking water but I wanted to add my support now
>>> that the drinking_water:refill proposal was approved. The tag is used to
>>> indicate if the establishment participates in a water refill network. I
>>> understand Refill.org.uk are unwilling to license their data.
>>>
>>> The drinking_water:refill tag is currently in use by the European Water
>>> Project's website and priceless.zottelig.ch. In addition OsmAnd have
>>> just added support according to their GitHub, I hope they will push an
>>> update to their apps soon.
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Adrinking_water%3Arefill
>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:drinking_water:refill>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/commit/15f5c919d3ac25cc048c4f3e0a569f7981999f65
>>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[Jez Nicholson]

It will be interesting to hear about Refill UK's policy on Open Data.
Perhaps they believe that their business model is inoperable if the data is
open?

I believe that they are a figurehead project from Ordnance Survey's
Geovation scheme. I hope that they haven't tainted their data.

On Fri, 13 Mar 2020, 10:55 European Water Project, <
europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am due to have a call Tuesday morning (17/3) with Rebecca Burgess, CEO
>> of Refill UK (https://refill.org.uk/ )  and the parent organisation City
>> to Sea( https://www.citytosea.org.uk/ ) . This is one of many calls I
>> have had with Refill.
>>
>> The Refill board's reluctance to share/license water refill data openly
>> is very unfortunate.  Refill requires all partners to exclusively sell
>> Chilly water bottles and only use their application.  I hope we can
>> convince Refill to reconsider.
>>
>
>
>> Building a global open database of water refill points would be
>> beneficial to all - resulting in a larger and better maintained network and
>> less single-use plastic !
>>
>
>>
>> *From:* Gareth L 
>> *Date:* 12 March 2020 at 12:36:14 CET
>> *To:* Jake Edmonds 
>> *Cc:* "talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" 
>> *Subject:* *Re:  [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion -
>> drink_water:refill*
>>
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Jake,
>>
>> Thanks for posting about this. I’m due to post on the Osm-uk loomio
>> asking for suggestions on what the Q2 project should be. Are you aware of
>> any other viable sources of data beyond an in person survey?
>> I wonder why refill wouldn’t want to license their data.
>>
>> Gareth
>>
>> On 12 Mar 2020, at 11:27, Jake Edmonds via Talk-GB <
>> talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>>
>>  I understand there is an existing suggestion on the UK Quarterly
>> Project talk page about drinking water but I wanted to add my support now
>> that the drinking_water:refill proposal was approved. The tag is used to
>> indicate if the establishment participates in a water refill network. I
>> understand Refill.org.uk are unwilling to license their data.
>>
>> The drinking_water:refill tag is currently in use by the European Water
>> Project's website and priceless.zottelig.ch. In addition OsmAnd have
>> just added support according to their GitHub, I hope they will push an
>> update to their apps soon.
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Adrinking_water%3Arefill
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:drinking_water:refill>
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/commit/15f5c919d3ac25cc048c4f3e0a569f7981999f65
>>
>> Many thanks
>> Jake
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[European Water Project]

>
> I am due to have a call Tuesday morning (17/3) with Rebecca Burgess, CEO
> of Refill UK (https://refill.org.uk/ )  and the parent organisation City
> to Sea( https://www.citytosea.org.uk/ ) . This is one of many calls I
> have had with Refill.
>
> The Refill board's reluctance to share/license water refill data openly is
> very unfortunate.  Refill requires all partners to exclusively sell Chilly
> water bottles and only use their application.  I hope we can convince
> Refill to reconsider.
>


> Building a global open database of water refill points would be beneficial
> to all - resulting in a larger and better maintained network and less
> single-use plastic !
>

>
> *From:* Gareth L 
> *Date:* 12 March 2020 at 12:36:14 CET
> *To:* Jake Edmonds 
> *Cc:* "talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" 
> *Subject:* *Re:  [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion -
> drink_water:refill*
>
> 
> 
> Hi Jake,
>
> Thanks for posting about this. I’m due to post on the Osm-uk loomio asking
> for suggestions on what the Q2 project should be. Are you aware of any
> other viable sources of data beyond an in person survey?
> I wonder why refill wouldn’t want to license their data.
>
> Gareth
>
> On 12 Mar 2020, at 11:27, Jake Edmonds via Talk-GB <
> talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>  I understand there is an existing suggestion on the UK Quarterly Project
> talk page about drinking water but I wanted to add my support now that the
> drinking_water:refill proposal was approved. The tag is used to indicate if
> the establishment participates in a water refill network. I understand
> Refill.org.uk are unwilling to license their data.
>
> The drinking_water:refill tag is currently in use by the European Water
> Project's website and priceless.zottelig.ch. In addition OsmAnd have just
> added support according to their GitHub, I hope they will push an update to
> their apps soon.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Adrinking_water%3Arefill
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:drinking_water:refill>
>
>
> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/commit/15f5c919d3ac25cc048c4f3e0a569f7981999f65
>
> Many thanks
> Jake
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[Gareth L]


Hi Jake,

Thanks for posting about this. I’m due to post on the Osm-uk loomio asking for 
suggestions on what the Q2 project should be. Are you aware of any other viable 
sources of data beyond an in person survey?
I wonder why refill wouldn’t want to license their data.

Gareth

On 12 Mar 2020, at 11:27, Jake Edmonds via Talk-GB  
wrote:

 I understand there is an existing suggestion on the UK Quarterly Project talk 
page about drinking water but I wanted to add my support now that the 
drinking_water:refill proposal was approved. The tag is used to indicate if the 
establishment participates in a water refill network. I understand 
Refill.org.uk are unwilling to license their data.

The drinking_water:refill tag is currently in use by the European Water 
Project's website and priceless.zottelig.ch. In 
addition OsmAnd have just added support according to their GitHub, I hope they 
will push an update to their apps soon.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Adrinking_water%3Arefill

https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/commit/15f5c919d3ac25cc048c4f3e0a569f7981999f65

Many thanks
Jake

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[Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill

[Jake Edmonds via Talk-GB]

I understand there is an existing suggestion on the UK Quarterly Project talk 
page about drinking water but I wanted to add my support now that the 
drinking_water:refill proposal was approved. The tag is used to indicate if the 
establishment participates in a water refill network. I understand 
Refill.org.uk are unwilling to license their data.

The drinking_water:refill tag is currently in use by the European Water 
Project's website and priceless.zottelig.ch . In 
addition OsmAnd have just added support according to their GitHub, I hope they 
will push an update to their apps soon.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Adrinking_water%3Arefill 


https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/commit/15f5c919d3ac25cc048c4f3e0a569f7981999f65
 


Many thanks
Jake

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