Re: [Talk-hr] Names of towns in Istria
Actually in Croatia there are a lot of locations which have bilingual names, for example there are towns/villages in Baranja regionhttp://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%C4%91ari_u_Hrvatskoj populated by Hungarian minority, then there is Czech minority in and around Daruvarhttp://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daruvarand Končanica http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kon%C4%8Danica. It seams to me that we have one rule for Istria and one for every other region, which I think is wrong and inconsistent. The best solution IMHO is to use the official name from geonames, for example http://www.geonames.org/search.html?q=rovinjcountry= and define tags as Bernhard wrote: name=Rovinj name:it=Rovigno Best regards, Davor On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: Well, there has been a lot of discussion about this, and no real solution. Japanese are putting their (english) names, just so tourists could read their map (bad solution IMO). We could make a script that has a list of bilingual towns (or we could invent a tag, something like multilingual=hr;it), and that script would put name:hr / name:it into the name tag. But until then, I think this is the best solution. Janko 2012/6/19 Bernhard R. Fischer b...@abenteuerland.at ** On Monday 18 June 2012 14:02:23 Janko Mihelić wrote: I'm not sure if you are right. Those towns have two official languages, Croatian and Italian. Towns around Trieste also have two languages, and are named like that (I thought Trieste was also named like this). Those parts of Croatia, Slovenia and Italy have a complicated history and I think we have to have more discussion about this to get to the best solution. Janko Yes, I am well aware of these language issues in Istria. We have bi-lingual towns in Austria as well and they are tagged in the same way but nevertheless I think that this is why there are tags like name:hr=*, name:it=*, and so and. IMO the renderer should be responsible for generating the combined strings and not the map editor. Bernhard ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
[Talk-hr] OSM Radionica na FESB-u Splitu na jesen u suradnji sa DUMP.hr
Pozdrav kartografi, Evo u suradnji sa DUMP.hr planiramo izvesti radionicu OSM-a u Splitu na FESB-u na jesen. Molim vas koji bi htjeli voditi i predavati na radionici u 10. om mjesecu da u Doodle-u potvrde datume koji bi vam najbolje odgovarali: ---http://doodle.com/ek24eir3yawwnwba Pozdrav, Ana ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
[Talk-hr] Fw: [Announce] Redaction underway
Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:14:15 To: talk...@openstreetmap.org; annou...@openstreetmap.org; t...@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Announce] Redaction underway [posted to talk-ie@, announce@ and talk@; follow-ups to talk@ unless Ireland-specific] Hello all, The redaction process is now underway with Ireland as planned. Further updates will be posted to relevant lists as and when each phase starts and ends: - to talk-ie@ and talk-gb@ when Ireland ends and Great Britain begins - to talk-gb@ and talk@ when Great Britain ends and Western Europe/Belarus begins - to talk@, talk-us@ and talk-ca@ when Belarus ends and North America begins - to talk-us@, talk-ca@ and talk-au@ when North America ends and Australia begins - to talk-au@ and talk@ when Australia ends and the rest of the world begins - to talk@ when the rest of the world ends ...and, of course, if anything interrupts the progress of the redaction more than briefly. All updates will be cc:ed to announce@. cheers Richard ___ Announce mailing list annou...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/announce ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
[Talk-hr] Fw: [Announce] Suspend Imports / Bulk edits / Bots
Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:10:51 To: Talk Openstreetmapt...@openstreetmap.org; OSM Dev Listd...@openstreetmap.org; annou...@openstreetmap.org; importsimpo...@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Announce] Suspend Imports / Bulk edits / Bots Dear All, Summary: Please stop Imports, Automated Edits, Bulk edits Bots until the redaction process has ended. The redaction bot has just started running. Until the redaction process has been completed please suspend all imports and bulk edit operations. Imports or bots which ignore this request may be subject to an immediate temporary account block to ease up load on the API and database servers. Normal editing operations should be unaffected although I would recommend saving often. If you have any questions or a pressing need for such an edit please contact the sysadmins in advance on IRC. See #osm-dev on OFTC via http://irc.openstreetmap.org/ Grant on behalf of OpenStreetMap Sysadmins ___ Announce mailing list annou...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/announce ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] OSM Radionica na FESB-u Splitu na jesen u suradnji sa DUMP.hr
Hvala na lijepoj (oba)vijesti, drago mi je da ce se i u Splitu konacno odrzati OSM radionica! Sve pohvale organizatorima na ovom koraku! Nastojat cu doci (kao sudionik) cim budu precizirani termini odrzavanja. --- Pozdrav, Goran OSM: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/CroKimba --Original Message-- From: A To: talk-hr@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-hr] OSM Radionica na FESB-u Splitu na jesen u suradnji sa DUMP.hr Sent: Jul 11, 2012 14:29 Pozdrav kartografi, Evo u suradnji sa DUMP.hr planiramo izvesti radionicu OSM-a u Splitu na FESB-u na jesen. Molim vas koji bi htjeli voditi i predavati na radionici u 10. om mjesecu da u Doodle-u potvrde datume koji bi vam najbolje odgovarali: ---http://doodle.com/ek24eir3yawwnwba Pozdrav, Ana ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] Naselja u RH
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 04:13:31PM +0200, Janko Mihelić wrote: Dana 29. lipnja 2012. 13:33 Matija Nalis mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr je napisao/la: pa mogu ja, trebao bih slijedeci tjedan imati nesto slobodnog vremena. Ideja za realizaciju, pa komentirajte: Čini se sjajno. Ja mogu pomoći kod točke 5. evo radim na scripti, pa sam zapeo na DSZ tablici... Kao prvo i manje bitno, pretpostavlajm da zelimo kolonu ukupan broj stanovnika a ne ukupno popisane osobe (ili nesto trece)? A kao drugo, imamo npr. Grad Zagreb sa 792875 stanovnika, a koji se sastoji uz hrpu sela tipa Adamovec i sl. i od Zagreba od 686568 stanovnika. Mislio sam tu uzeti samo ovo drugo sto je bas zagreb bez suokolnih sela, jer cemo njih zasebno brojati (a i znacajno mi je lakse za parsiranje da gledam samo sve max identano :). To OK? 5) rucno popraviti/dodati podatke iz 4, pa ponoviti sve od 1 Ručno treba samo provjeriti mjesta koja ima u osm-u a nema u dzs-u, obrnuto ne možemo puno napraviti jer ne znamo gdje su mjesta koja nedostaju :) Višak mjesta možemo preimenovati u hamlet ili locality, ovisno o slučaju. I još nešto, moramo se dogovoriti što je city a što town. Trenutno lokal-patrioti svoja mjesta vole pretvoriti u city, makar nema osnove. U wikiju piše granica od 100.000, u što kod nas upadaju četiri najveća grada (OS, RI, ST, ZG). Ako se slažemo ostale možemo proglasiti town. meni zvuci ok. mislim da smo imali to jednom u proslosti vec raspravu, a ovo bio zakljucak: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hr:Kreiranje_gradova_sela - city 100k - town 100k a koji ima status grada (wiki pak kaze samo 10k-100k) - village sve ostale 100k koje nemaju status grada (uh, to bih trebao izvuci tablicu sa http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hrvatski_gradovi). (wiki kaze pak samo 1k-10k) - hamlet 30 kuca (wiki kaze 100-200 ljudi) ako imamo DZS data za taj grad, mogu dodati provjeru u scriptu da vice ako nesto ne stima oko brojki... Iako kaze http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dcity da bi trebali tu biti For the largest urban settlement or settlements within the territory, normally including the national, state and provincial capitals. Defined by charter or official designation in some territories and as a matter of judgement others. Should normally have a population of at least 100,000 people and be larger than nearby place=towns. dakle mozda dodati (osim svega 100k) i glavne gradove po Zupanijama? Ono tipa Sisacko-Moslovacka zupanija da ima Sisak za city ili sl... Dunno... Ja cu dodati u scriptu da ispise warning samo gledano po broju, pa mozemo kasnije vidjeti je li tu ima sto za fiksati ili ne... Sela su točno odjeljena u xls-u pa za to ne trebamo izmišljati granicu. Err, gdje su sela tocno odjeljena? mislis, sve sto je na najdubljem nivou identacije je selo? To ne stima, jer je onda i Zagreb selo :) Ili nesto drugo si vidio? Dana 29. lipnja 2012. 13:58 hbogner hbog...@gmail.com je napisao/la: treba biti ili source:population=dzs.hr ili population:source=dzs.hr Našao sam source:population=* na slijedećoj stranici: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dneighbourhood ok -- Opinions above are GNU-copylefted. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
[talk-ph] Fwd:[OSM-talk] Redaction underway
Fyi. -- Forwarded message -- From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net Date: Jul 11, 2012 11:16 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Redaction underway To: talk...@openstreetmap.org, annou...@openstreetmap.org, t...@openstreetmap.org [posted to talk-ie@, announce@ and talk@; follow-ups to talk@ unless Ireland-specific] Hello all, The redaction process is now underway with Ireland as planned. Further updates will be posted to relevant lists as and when each phase starts and ends: - to talk-ie@ and talk-gb@ when Ireland ends and Great Britain begins - to talk-gb@ and talk@ when Great Britain ends and Western Europe/Belarus begins - to talk@, talk-us@ and talk-ca@ when Belarus ends and North America begins - to talk-us@, talk-ca@ and talk-au@ when North America ends and Australia begins - to talk-au@ and talk@ when Australia ends and the rest of the world begins - to talk@ when the rest of the world ends ...and, of course, if anything interrupts the progress of the redaction more than briefly. All updates will be cc:ed to announce@. cheers Richard __**_ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Fwd:[OSM-talk] Suspend Imports / Bulk edits / Bots
And the sysad's appeal to imports /bulk edits/imports. -- Forwarded message -- From: Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com Date: Jul 11, 2012 11:20 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Suspend Imports / Bulk edits / Bots To: Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org, OSM Dev List d...@openstreetmap.org, annou...@openstreetmap.org, imports impo...@openstreetmap.org Dear All, Summary: Please stop Imports, Automated Edits, Bulk edits Bots until the redaction process has ended. The redaction bot has just started running. Until the redaction process has been completed please suspend all imports and bulk edit operations. Imports or bots which ignore this request may be subject to an immediate temporary account block to ease up load on the API and database servers. Normal editing operations should be unaffected although I would recommend saving often. If you have any questions or a pressing need for such an edit please contact the sysadmins in advance on IRC. See #osm-dev on OFTC via http://irc.openstreetmap.org/ Grant on behalf of OpenStreetMap Sysadmins ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd:[OSM-talk] Redaction underway
And if you're curious at what the Redaction Bot is doing, here is the account editing history: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/OSMF%20Redaction%20Account/edits On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:32 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Fyi. -- Forwarded message -- From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net Date: Jul 11, 2012 11:16 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Redaction underway To: talk...@openstreetmap.org, annou...@openstreetmap.org, t...@openstreetmap.org [posted to talk-ie@, announce@ and talk@; follow-ups to talk@ unless Ireland-specific] Hello all, The redaction process is now underway with Ireland as planned. Further updates will be posted to relevant lists as and when each phase starts and ends: - to talk-ie@ and talk-gb@ when Ireland ends and Great Britain begins - to talk-gb@ and talk@ when Great Britain ends and Western Europe/Belarus begins - to talk@, talk-us@ and talk-ca@ when Belarus ends and North America begins - to talk-us@, talk-ca@ and talk-au@ when North America ends and Australia begins - to talk-au@ and talk@ when Australia ends and the rest of the world begins - to talk@ when the rest of the world ends ...and, of course, if anything interrupts the progress of the redaction more than briefly. All updates will be cc:ed to announce@. cheers Richard ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk] Can Mapzen POI collected get some love?
Hi, Myself and Harry Wood have the code with a view of open sourcing Mapzen POI Collector and allowing the community to improve it. Unfortunately with my change of jobs and house move, I've not had any time to work on it. Hopefully that'll change shortly. Shaun On 11 Jul 2012, at 04:47, John Harvey j...@johnharveyphoto.com wrote: Hey! I keep hoping that Mapzen POI Collector will magically return to working, but every time I try I'm sadly disappointed. As far as I can tell, it is still the best OSM editor for the iPhone - if anyone can recommend a better replacement, I'd love to hear it. From what I understand, Mapzen POI Collector is basically no longer supported by the Cloudmade guys and a change to how it authorizes against the OSM servers has broken it: http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/9412/mapzen-unable-to-log-in Any chance someone more technically savvy than me can give this problem some love? I'd really like to get back to adding content using my iPhone. Thanks! John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Can Mapzen POI collected get some love?
Thank you for considering that, Shaun! A On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.ukwrote: Hi, Myself and Harry Wood have the code with a view of open sourcing Mapzen POI Collector and allowing the community to improve it. Unfortunately with my change of jobs and house move, I've not had any time to work on it. Hopefully that'll change shortly. Shaun On 11 Jul 2012, at 04:47, John Harvey j...@johnharveyphoto.com wrote: Hey! I keep hoping that Mapzen POI Collector will magically return to working, but every time I try I'm sadly disappointed. As far as I can tell, it is still the best OSM editor for the iPhone - if anyone can recommend a better replacement, I'd love to hear it. From what I understand, Mapzen POI Collector is basically no longer supported by the Cloudmade guys and a change to how it authorizes against the OSM servers has broken it: http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/9412/mapzen-unable-to-log-in Any chance someone more technically savvy than me can give this problem some love? I'd really like to get back to adding content using my iPhone. Thanks! John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Updated CC-BY-SA coastlines
Hi! I have spent a few hours yesterday to fix all important problems with the coastline, so that we have a last good coastline dataset with the CC-BY-SA license before the redaction starts. Downloads are available from http://openstreetmapdata.com/ . I will leave the daily update process running, but chances are that either the redaction process or some mapper will break the coastline in a short while and then the system will recognize that and will always give you the last known good data. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Submitting POI to OSM made easy
## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos and brevity. Am 10.07.2012 16:51 schrieb moenk moenk...@geo.hu-berlin.de: Dear all, I'd like to introduce a tiny tool. It's purpose is to submit POI to the OSM database. The focus is not to replace things like Potlatch or JOSM, it was developed for Geocachers for easy POI submitting. But I'm sure you'll know some people who might have use for this simple mapping tool. Just point on a map and enter some information what can be found there. Also it is possible to upload geotagged JPGs or GPX from navigation devices. It's so easy that I assume even my grandma could do it. The most complicated thing is getting the required account for OSM. Let me know what you think about it: http://yapis.eu/?id=0lang=en Cheers, -moenk - -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Submitting-POI-to-OSM-made-easy-tp5715878.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
Hi guys, this routing map based on OSM is awesome, drag and drop is great, too bad it is unusable until turn restrictions get supported :( But it is a great demo. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Submitting POI to OSM made easy
Sorry ... Should be a privat mail to Moenk ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos and brevity. Am 11.07.2012 09:40 schrieb Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com: ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos and brevity. Am 10.07.2012 16:51 schrieb moenk moenk...@geo.hu-berlin.de: Dear all, I'd like to introduce a tiny tool. It's purpose is to submit POI to the OSM database. The focus is not to replace things like Potlatch or JOSM, it was developed for Geocachers for easy POI submitting. But I'm sure you'll know some people who might have use for this simple mapping tool. Just point on a map and enter some information what can be found there. Also it is possible to upload geotagged JPGs or GPX from navigation devices. It's so easy that I assume even my grandma could do it. The most complicated thing is getting the required account for OSM. Let me know what you think about it: http://yapis.eu/?id=0lang=en Cheers, -moenk - -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Submitting-POI-to-OSM-made-easy-tp5715878.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
On 2012-07-11 10:45, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, this routing map based on OSM is awesome, drag and drop is great, too bad it is unusable until turn restrictions get supported :( But it is a great demo. We're still talking about http://map.project-osrm.org aren't we? osrm certainly supports turn restrictions! I tried a few in my area and they all worked fine. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Submitting POI to OSM made easy
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:48 AM, moenk moenk...@geo.hu-berlin.de wrote: Dear all, I'd like to introduce a tiny tool. It's purpose is to submit POI to the OSM database. The focus is not to replace things like Potlatch or JOSM, it was developed for Geocachers for easy POI submitting. But I'm sure you'll know some people who might have use for this simple mapping tool. This looks great, thanks for doing this. However, I'd say the hardest part of using the tool will be finding it! Make sure to update the wiki, and put it in a prominent place (within one or two clicks from the homepage). Perhaps change the beginners guide to include a list of easy tools like this one, that is tools which don't require knowledge of nodes/ways/relations, tags, or other such terminology. For the selection page, it would be great to add search as you type, as well as a brief description of each pulled from the wiki, synonyms (also searchable) and a link to the wiki. These links will perhaps get some users to dive a little deeper into OSM. It's also worth considering using a common set of nice names as other sites/projects, or at least add synonyms (as an American user I'd never have known to look for Off license when I want to add a liquor store if I hadn't seen this pull request: https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/52). -Josh ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Submitting POI to OSM made easy
Josh Doe wrote: ... However, I'd say the hardest part of using the tool will be finding it! Make sure to update the wiki, and put it in a prominent place (within one or two clicks from the homepage). From memory I think that there's at least one help.osm.org question about how do I just add some POIs - worth sticking an answer on there too. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Cookies on OSM
In very simplistic terms, the EU cookie directive requires a web site to prominently disclose the fact that it uses cookies and what for (and in the case of tracking cookies to explicitly obtain the user's consent before doing so). I notice the OSM site doesn't yet do this, even though it uses cookies, but this mail is more about third party users who need to make their own statements about cookies they use when they embed OSM maps. If a OSM map is embedded in another site as an IFRAME as from the Export tab or similar, then it appears to plant two sets of cookies, ones starting _osm_... whose function seems pretty obvious, and ones starting _pk_... which are more mysterious. Please could someone who knows put up a brief page on the wiki which explains what these are for, for the purpose of helping sites make their cookie usage clear, as required by law (or at least for them to conduct the cookie audit needed in good faith). I am (I hope not naively!) assuming that OSM wouldn't indulge in any intrusive cookie tracking which would require explicit consent. Is anyone addressing this for the OSM site itself? I see there is a privacy policy, but that doesn't mention cookies and it isn't prominent on the home page as the directive requires. Thanks, David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 2012-07-11 10:45, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, this routing map based on OSM is awesome, drag and drop is great, too bad it is unusable until turn restrictions get supported :( But it is a great demo. We're still talking about http://map.project-osrm.org aren't we? osrm certainly supports turn restrictions! I tried a few in my area and they all worked fine. Regards, Maarten Ups, you are right, I actually had few turn restriction bugs in osm data, routing work great, this service is awesome. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cookies on OSM
Hi, On 07/11/12 14:03, David Earl wrote: I am (I hope not naively!) assuming that OSM wouldn't indulge in any intrusive cookie tracking which would require explicit consent. I believe OSM uses Piwik which is something like Google Analytics but without giving the data to a third party. That's probably the reason you are seeing this pk cookie. I don't know if that requires explicit consent. It's not much more than looking at log files really but I'm not up to date on legislation. (TBH I've seen a lot of is it ok if we set a cookie popups on UK web sites recently but none on German sites so I'm not sure if this is really an EU thing or just UK? Or UK being first in adopting some EU law into national law maybe, improbable as it sounds?) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: We're still talking about http://map.project-osrm.org aren't we? osrm certainly supports turn restrictions! I tried a few in my area and they all worked fine. Regards, Maarten Restrictions when via is a way, not a node, still don't work on OSRM (and most other services). Example: OSRM (bad route): http://map.project-osrm.org/SJ MapQuest (good route): http://mapq.st/OxnDYh Janko ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cookies on OSM
(Change email address !!!) Frederik Ramm wrote: On 07/11/12 14:03, David Earl wrote: I am (I hope not naively!) assuming that OSM wouldn't indulge in any intrusive cookie tracking which would require explicit consent. I believe OSM uses Piwik which is something like Google Analytics but without giving the data to a third party. That's probably the reason you are seeing this pk cookie. THAT is interesting ... I need to look closer I'm using my own port of Piwik on a faster database. I don't know if that requires explicit consent. It's not much more than looking at log files really but I'm not up to date on legislation. Piwik requires explicit consent as it's not an 'essential' cookie Even session cookies are still a grey area! (TBH I've seen a lot of is it ok if we set a cookie popups on UK web sites recently but none on German sites so I'm not sure if this is really an EU thing or just UK? Or UK being first in adopting some EU law into national law maybe, improbable as it sounds?) The cookie directive was passed into law across EUROPE last May. The UK relaxed implementation in an attempt to get the browser developers to handle the problem centrally, but none have, so they now require that every website does the job themselves. I've ended up with a system which allows 'social media', 'piwik' and other cookies to be switched off separately ... http://medw.co.uk/ is an example. But I still need to link this in with the some of the third party elements fully yet. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cookies on OSM
On 11/07/2012 13:36, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 07/11/12 14:03, David Earl wrote: I am (I hope not naively!) assuming that OSM wouldn't indulge in any intrusive cookie tracking which would require explicit consent. I believe OSM uses Piwik which is something like Google Analytics but without giving the data to a third party. That's probably the reason you are seeing this pk cookie. Thanks. I don't know if that requires explicit consent. It's not much more than looking at log files really but I'm not up to date on legislation. The general view seems to be that Google Analytics doesn't require explicit consent, merely disclosure, so I can't see that something even less intrusive could require explicit consent. (TBH I've seen a lot of is it ok if we set a cookie popups on UK web sites recently but none on German sites so I'm not sure if this is really an EU thing or just UK? Or UK being first in adopting some EU law into national law maybe, improbable as it sounds?) The directive was actually enacted in May 2011, but the UK Information Commissioner's office gave people until May this year to implement it. A few have, as you say (notably the BBC), but the ones that really go to town on the issues the directive is supposed to protect against - e.g. Amazon - have completely ignored it. There will have to be a test case before long if it is supposed to be taken seriously. (It is a daft law IMO, exactly the kind of 'red tape' the Government says it is committed to abolishing). David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cookies on OSM
On 11/07/12 13:03, David Earl wrote: In very simplistic terms, the EU cookie directive requires a web site to prominently disclose the fact that it uses cookies and what for (and in the case of tracking cookies to explicitly obtain the user's consent before doing so). So, how is http://www.frankieandshadow.com/gallery/ using PHPSESSID then ;-) Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cookies on OSM
Piwik requires explicit consent as it's not an 'essential' cookie Even session cookies are still a grey area! http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_organisations/privacy_and_electronic_commu nications/the_guide/cookies.aspx mentions: European data protection authorities opinion In June 2012, European data protection authorities (as part of the Article 29 Working Party) adopted an opinion which clarifies that some cookie uses might be exempt from the requirement to gain consent: Some cookies can be exempted from informed consent under certain conditions if they are not used for additional purposes. These cookies include cookies used to keep track of a user’s input when filling online forms or as a shopping card, also known as session-id cookies, multimedia player session cookies and user interface customisation cookies, eg language preference cookies to remember the language selected by the user. First party analytics cookies are not likely to create a privacy risk if websites provide clear information about the cookies to users and privacy safeguards, eg a user friendly mechanism to opt out from any data collection and where they ensure that identifiable information is anonymised. I'm not sure which of the osm cookies count as session cookies, first party analytics cookies, or other. Ed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cookies on OSM
On 11/07/2012 13:55, Tom Hughes wrote: On 11/07/12 13:03, David Earl wrote: In very simplistic terms, the EU cookie directive requires a web site to prominently disclose the fact that it uses cookies and what for (and in the case of tracking cookies to explicitly obtain the user's consent before doing so). So, how is http://www.frankieandshadow.com/gallery/ using PHPSESSID then ;-) You can remove the ';-)' - my email wasn't a criticism, but is made in all seriousness to try to bring other web sites I have involvement in within the law. That includes my own site too (and I don't actually know the answer except that it is, of course, a PHP session cookie - that's the point of doing a cookie audit as required by the ICO). David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cookies on OSM
On 11/07/2012 13:53, Lester Caine wrote: Piwik requires explicit consent as it's not an 'essential' cookie No, the requirement is for informed consent. The ICO is clear that Implied consent is a valid form of consent and can be used in the context of compliance with the revised rules on cookies. Explicit consent (asking an explicit question in which the user can decline to have cookies set) is about whether a cookie is intrusive or not - aimed mainly at third-party tracking cookies. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cookies on OSM
Ed Loach wrote: Piwik requires explicit consent as it's not an 'essential' cookie Even session cookies are still a grey area! http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_organisations/privacy_and_electronic_commu nications/the_guide/cookies.aspx mentions: European data protection authorities opinion In June 2012, European data protection authorities (as part of the Article 29 Working Party) adopted an opinion which clarifies that some cookie uses might be exempt from the requirement to gain consent: Some cookies can be exempted from informed consent under certain conditions if they are not used for additional purposes. These cookies include cookies used to keep track of a user’s input when filling online forms or as a shopping card, also known as session-id cookies, multimedia player session cookies and user interface customisation cookies, eg language preference cookies to remember the language selected by the user. First party analytics cookies are not likely to create a privacy risk if websites provide clear information about the cookies to users and privacy safeguards, eg a user friendly mechanism to opt out from any data collection and where they ensure that identifiable information is anonymised. I'm not sure which of the osm cookies count as session cookies, first party analytics cookies, or other. Until there is 'case law' nothing can be assumed. The current recommendation HAVE changed again since I started sorting this for our hosting customers. The key word above is 'might be' ... no one has yet produced a document that says 'is' ... so we either simply ignore the directive, or we provide the facility for people to be able to switch off 'social media' and 'analytics' cookie tracking even if some people's opinion is that it's not necessary. I'm option for the safe path since it does also allow users to switch off things that they may object to even with anonymous tracking. The law may be an ass, but it was VERY interesting identifying what cookies were created as a result of loading a supposedly clean site, and it is perhaps the 'due diligence' that has resulted from the exercise that is more important. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cookies on OSM
David Earl wrote: In very simplistic terms, the EU cookie directive requires a web site to prominently disclose the fact that it uses cookies and what for (and in the case of tracking cookies to explicitly obtain the user's consent before doing so). So, how is http://www.frankieandshadow.com/gallery/ using PHPSESSID then ;-) You can remove the ';-)' - my email wasn't a criticism, but is made in all seriousness to try to bring other web sites I have involvement in within the law. That includes my own site too (and I don't actually know the answer except that it is, of course, a PHP session cookie - that's the point of doing a cookie audit as required by the ICO). Up until May I had simply assumed that PHPSESSID was a simple 'essential' cookie and that it was exempt, but that is the very cookie that has yet to be specifically flagged as exempt and is why I have wasted so much time on the safe approach. I also assumed that adding social media links to a site did not require ME to get permission, but the advise now makes it clear that it is the site which is responsible for these third party cookies! So we give people the option to refuse if they want to. While the ICO has changed the advise again in June it HAS also said that it will not be taking action against anybody any time soon, so sitting on hands is probably equally safe at the moment. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
OSRM is mostly awesome. Map changes are reflected within a very short period after an edit, however routing updates can be much slower. It would be great if it was possible to find out the date of the OSM data being used by the router. I did some corrections to roundabouts on the A41, I will admit that I messed them up during licence changes, on 13th June. Am still getting the same error. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 11/07/2012 13:26 valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 2012-07-11 10:45, md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi guys, this routing map based on OSM is awesome, drag and drop is great, too bad it is unusable until turn restrictions get supported :( But it is a great demo. We're still talking about http://map.project-osrm.org aren't we? osrm certainly supports turn restrictions! I tried a few in my area and they all worked fine. Regards, Maarten Ups, you are right, I actually had few turn restriction bugs in osm data, routing work great, this service is awesome. ___ talk mailing list md...@xs4all.nl http://map.project-osrm.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Redaction underway
[posted to talk-ie@, announce@ and talk@; follow-ups to talk@ unless Ireland-specific] Hello all, The redaction process is now underway with Ireland as planned. Further updates will be posted to relevant lists as and when each phase starts and ends: - to talk-ie@ and talk-gb@ when Ireland ends and Great Britain begins - to talk-gb@ and talk@ when Great Britain ends and Western Europe/Belarus begins - to talk@, talk-us@ and talk-ca@ when Belarus ends and North America begins - to talk-us@, talk-ca@ and talk-au@ when North America ends and Australia begins - to talk-au@ and talk@ when Australia ends and the rest of the world begins - to talk@ when the rest of the world ends ...and, of course, if anything interrupts the progress of the redaction more than briefly. All updates will be cc:ed to announce@. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Suspend Imports / Bulk edits / Bots
Dear All, Summary: Please stop Imports, Automated Edits, Bulk edits Bots until the redaction process has ended. The redaction bot has just started running. Until the redaction process has been completed please suspend all imports and bulk edit operations. Imports or bots which ignore this request may be subject to an immediate temporary account block to ease up load on the API and database servers. Normal editing operations should be unaffected although I would recommend saving often. If you have any questions or a pressing need for such an edit please contact the sysadmins in advance on IRC. See #osm-dev on OFTC via http://irc.openstreetmap.org/ Grant on behalf of OpenStreetMap Sysadmins ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] Suspend Imports / Bulk edits / Bots
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 11-07-12 17:10, Grant Slater wrote: Summary: Please stop Imports, Automated Edits, Bulk edits Bots until the redaction process has ended. What is your ETA? Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAk/9nB0ACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn3FPACfbjcLUeNVa0iCOY6RcwbL5bpW lz8An1RQWW0MNUwdUdmGrojm6pJEtO6i =vCti -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction underway
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: [posted to talk-ie@, announce@ and talk@; follow-ups to talk@ unless Ireland-specific] Hello all, The redaction process is now underway with Ireland as planned. Further updates will be posted to relevant lists as and when each phase starts and ends: - to talk-ie@ and talk-gb@ when Ireland ends and Great Britain begins - to talk-gb@ and talk@ when Great Britain ends and Western Europe/Belarus begins - to talk@, talk-us@ and talk-ca@ when Belarus ends and North America begins - to talk-us@, talk-ca@ and talk-au@ when North America ends and Australia begins - to talk-au@ and talk@ when Australia ends and the rest of the world begins - to talk@ when the rest of the world ends ...and, of course, if anything interrupts the progress of the redaction more than briefly. All updates will be cc:ed to announce@. I just saw on IRC that the redaction bot seems to have broken minutely diffs due to a problem in osmosis. I'm sure details will follow at some point but Grant advised any diff consumers to suspend consumption for now. There may end up being a short rollback of diffs which would require a manual adjustment to the sequence number in your osmosis state file. Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] map of impact of licence change on Australia and New Zealand
Hello all, I would like to generate a map showing the impact of the license change on Australia and New Zealand. Any advice on how to generate such a map? Kind regards, Nick Lawrence Senior Spatial Science Officer| Geospatial, Road Assets Design Engineering Technology| Department of Transport and Main Roads Floor 6 | Spring Hill Office Complex | 477 Boundary Street | Spring Hill Qld 4000 GPO Box 1412 | Brisbane Qld 4001 P: (07) 38342477 | F: (07) 38342998 E: nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au W: www.tmr.qld.gov.au *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email without appropriate authority. If this email was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or email me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this email and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this email does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Department of Transport and Main Roads, Maritime Safety Queensland or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM Inspector is not working?
Is OSM Inspector working? There appears to a Layer problem error? Kind regards, Nick Lawrence Senior Spatial Science Officer| Geospatial, Road Assets Design Engineering Technology| Department of Transport and Main Roads Floor 6 | Spring Hill Office Complex | 477 Boundary Street | Spring Hill Qld 4000 GPO Box 1412 | Brisbane Qld 4001 P: (07) 38342477 | F: (07) 38342998 E: nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au W: www.tmr.qld.gov.au *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email without appropriate authority. If this email was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or email me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this email and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this email does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Department of Transport and Main Roads, Maritime Safety Queensland or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] map of impact of licence change on Australia and New Zealand
May be you could use the already existing map: http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=5lat=-31.44831lon=144.98999layers=00B It is possible to switch between a cleanmap (map after license switch) and badmap (details to be deleted). Ciao André 2012/7/12 nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au: Hello all, I would like to generate a map showing the impact of the license change on Australia and New Zealand. Any advice on how to generate such a map? Kind regards, Nick Lawrence Senior Spatial Science Officer | Geospatial, Road Assets Design Engineering Technology | Department of Transport and Main Roads Floor 6 | Spring Hill Office Complex | 477 Boundary Street | Spring Hill Qld 4000 GPO Box 1412 | Brisbane Qld 4001 P: (07) 38342477 | F: (07) 38342998 E: nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au W: www.tmr.qld.gov.au *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email without appropriate authority. If this email was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or email me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this email and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this email does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Department of Transport and Main Roads, Maritime Safety Queensland or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk-nl] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Redaction underway
Ter info. -- Forwarded message -- From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net Date: Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:14 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Redaction underway To: talk...@openstreetmap.org, annou...@openstreetmap.org, t...@openstreetmap.org [posted to talk-ie@, announce@ and talk@; follow-ups to talk@ unless Ireland-specific] Hello all, The redaction process is now underway with Ireland as planned. Further updates will be posted to relevant lists as and when each phase starts and ends: - to talk-ie@ and talk-gb@ when Ireland ends and Great Britain begins - to talk-gb@ and talk@ when Great Britain ends and Western Europe/Belarus begins - to talk@, talk-us@ and talk-ca@ when Belarus ends and North America begins - to talk-us@, talk-ca@ and talk-au@ when North America ends and Australia begins - to talk-au@ and talk@ when Australia ends and the rest of the world begins - to talk@ when the rest of the world ends ...and, of course, if anything interrupts the progress of the redaction more than briefly. All updates will be cc:ed to announce@. cheers Richard __**_ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Licence redaction ready to begin
The edits by the redaction bot can be seen here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/OSMF%20Redaction%20Account/edits ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] map of impact of licence change on Australia and New Zealand
Hello all, I would like to generate a map showing the impact of the license change on Australia and New Zealand. Any advice on how to generate such a map? Kind regards, Nick Lawrence Senior Spatial Science Officer| Geospatial, Road Assets Design Engineering Technology| Department of Transport and Main Roads Floor 6 | Spring Hill Office Complex | 477 Boundary Street | Spring Hill Qld 4000 GPO Box 1412 | Brisbane Qld 4001 P: (07) 38342477 | F: (07) 38342998 E: nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au W: www.tmr.qld.gov.au *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email without appropriate authority. If this email was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or email me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this email and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this email does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Department of Transport and Main Roads, Maritime Safety Queensland or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] OSM Inspector is not working?
Is OSM Inspector working? There appears to a Layer problem error? Kind regards, Nick Lawrence Senior Spatial Science Officer| Geospatial, Road Assets Design Engineering Technology| Department of Transport and Main Roads Floor 6 | Spring Hill Office Complex | 477 Boundary Street | Spring Hill Qld 4000 GPO Box 1412 | Brisbane Qld 4001 P: (07) 38342477 | F: (07) 38342998 E: nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au W: www.tmr.qld.gov.au *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email without appropriate authority. If this email was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or email me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this email and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this email does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Department of Transport and Main Roads, Maritime Safety Queensland or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] map of impact of licence change on Australia and New Zealand
Why re-invent the wheel? http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=5lat=-25.69199lon=137.92578layers=B00 Shows good and bad map. Cheers Ross On 12/07/12 14:05, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Hello all, I would like to generate a map showing the impact of the license change on Australia and New Zealand. Any advice on how to generate such a map? Kind regards, * Nick Lawrence* Senior Spatial Science Officer | Geospatial, Road Assets Design *Engineering Technology* | Department of Transport and Main Roads Floor 6 | Spring Hill Office Complex | 477 Boundary Street | Spring Hill Qld 4000 GPO Box 1412 | Brisbane Qld 4001 P: (07) 38342477 | F: (07) 38342998 E: _nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au_ mailto:nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au W: _www.tmr.qld.gov.au_ http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/ *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email without appropriate authority. If this email was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or email me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this email and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this email does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Department of Transport and Main Roads, Maritime Safety Queensland or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] map of impact of licence change on Australia and New Zealand
It really depends on what you want to visualize. None of the available tools give an 100% exact picture (simply because that would have required setting up a clone of the main DB and essentially carrying out the redaction on it). The shape files from Frederiks OSMI layer are available, however I'm not quite sure if everything is working right now due to the couple of hiccups the redaction process has caused in the diff generation (the mechanism we use to sync with the main DB). Simon Am 12.07.2012 06:05, schrieb nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au: Hello all, I would like to generate a map showing the impact of the license change on Australia and New Zealand. Any advice on how to generate such a map? Kind regards, * Nick Lawrence* Senior Spatial Science Officer | Geospatial, Road Assets Design *Engineering Technology* | Department of Transport and Main Roads Floor 6 | Spring Hill Office Complex | 477 Boundary Street | Spring Hill Qld 4000 GPO Box 1412 | Brisbane Qld 4001 P: (07) 38342477 | F: (07) 38342998 E: _nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au_ mailto:nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au W: _www.tmr.qld.gov.au_ http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/ *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email without appropriate authority. If this email was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or email me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this email and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this email does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Department of Transport and Main Roads, Maritime Safety Queensland or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] map of impact of licence change on Australia and New Zealand
It really depends on what you want to visualize. None of the available tools give an 100% exact picture (simply because that would have required setting up a clone of the main DB and essentially carrying out the redaction on it). The shape files from Frederiks OSMI layer are available, however I'm not quite sure if everything is working right now due to the couple of hiccups the redaction process has caused in the diff generation (the mechanism we use to sync with the main DB). I wasn't after anything too exact, just a quick summary. I thought OSM Inspector would be ideal, because it would show the bad spots in red. But the License Change option in the drop down view does not load the map, it just sits there churning. Is that the hiccups you refer to? nick *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email without appropriate authority. If this email was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or email me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this email and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this email does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Department of Transport and Main Roads, Maritime Safety Queensland or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen aus der Sicht der Auswertung - Segen oder Fluch??
Am 11.07.2012 00:50, schrieb Christian Müller: Am 10.07.2012 21:21, schrieb Peter Wendorff: Wenn ich einen overpass-link erzeuge wie (nicht geprüft, nur schematisch) [bbox=][highway][ref=B 7], dann kann man anhand !dieses Links! genausogut diskutieren wie anhand der relations-id 0815, die die gleichen Elemente enthält: - Das Abfragen ist genauso einfach (wenn ich osm.org/browse/* mal ausnehme, das bricht nämlich gerade bei großen Relationen sowieso regelmäßig zusammen). - Das Verteilen des Links ist genauso einfach, nämlich in beiden Fällen per CopyPaste - Das Ändern des Inhalts ist einfacher: ich muss mich nämlich gar nicht darum kümmen, solange ich das ref-Tag richtig setze - Das Ändern des Links ist auch nicht schwieriger; wenn man das überhaupt braucht (dürfte nur dann der Fall sein, wenn auf einmal z.B. die gerade neu eingetragene B 7 in Österreich zufällig die BoundingBox überschneidet) +1 Ist doch alles richtig. Die besagten B-Relationen waren nur ein Beispiel, um das Problem an sich zu verdeutlichen - nicht alle derzeit verwendeten Sammelrelationen dürften auf diese Weise ersetzbar sein. Weiterhin fehlt: - remote josm link ist aber simpel machbar - guck dir das mal bei taginfo an, das erzeugt solche Links ja bereits; die haben dann die Form (Parameter nicht korrekt maskiert für bessere Lesbarkeit) http://localhost:8111/import?url=http://overpass-api.de?api... - die von dir schon angesprochene /browse/ -Geschichte die ist aber doch mit den Relationen jetzt auch nicht besser, das ist also kein Argument. - außerdem dürfte es nervig sein, die bbox in jeder URL anzugeben (hier würden Aliase der admin. Grenzen helfen, etwa [bbox=Europe,Germany]) Ein Tool, dass diese BBox automatisch erzeugt, halte ich aber für relativ einfach machbar. Zudem ist zu schauen, was momentan eigentlich in der Relation gepflegt wird - evtl. sind auch Raststätten, Notrufsäulen etc. dabei, welche die Query ebenso liefern muss, will sie die Relationen ersetzen. Woher hast du das denn jetzt? Nie was von gehört - und wo ist die Grenze? Raststätte, Mc-Doof und Co direkt hinter der Abfahrt? Autohof vierhundert Meter weiter? Versuche eine Query für Overpass zu finden, welche Dir alle Brücken über x (x=Rhein, Elbe, etc.) liefert - das wird kein Einzeiler mehr, sollte es überhaupt nur mit Overpass machbar sein. Das ist richtig, aber gib mir bitte einen Anwendungsfall, der tatsächlich nur diese Abfrage braucht - oder so wenige Abfragen, dass sich eine komplexere Eigeneinrichtung tatsächlich nicht lohnt. Das Beispiel sieht mir bisher ziemlich konstruiert aus. Ob da (im wiki) aber jetzt ein /browse/relation/#-link steht oder eine z.B. overpass-query, ist doch sch***-egal. Aus Anwendersicht schon, soll auch so sein. Aus Entwicklersicht offenbar nicht. Ich vermute, auch aus Entwicklersicht ist das egal - nur sind es oft nicht die Entwickler, die das ins wiki einpflegen, sondern Mapper, die es nicht anders kennen. Gemeint war: aus Entwicklersicht ist es nicht egal, ob des Anwenders Daten aus Relation oder Overpass-Query kommt. Sie bevorzugt (momentan) letzteres. Nein. Wie der ANWENDER die Daten bekommt, ist den meisten Entwicklern tatsächlich egal; nur sollten die Informationen, wo möglich, auch außerhalb der Relation vorhanden sein, weil sie sonst von den Anwendungen oft ignoriert werden. Gruß Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen aus der Sicht der Auswertung - Segen oder Fluch??
Am 11.07.2012 07:53, schrieb Manuel Reimer: Christian Müller cmue81 at gmx.de writes: Ich stimme Dir zu, dass overlapping ways dem Nahe kommen. Nur ist die Fangemeinde von overlapping ways auch nicht besonders groß, da sie ebenso wie mancher Relationstyp schlecht oder gar nicht visualisiert werden. Werden Wanderwege, bzw. deren Relationen auf der Hauptkarte visualisiert? Ehrlich gesagt: Wie ich das erste Mal vor dem Problem gestanden habe, einen Wanderweg selber eintragen zu wollen, da war mein erster Gedanke auch einfach Way über die Punkte -- Fertig. Mir erschien eine solche Vorgehensweise, basierend auf meinem bisherigen OSM-Wissen, als durchaus logisch und sinnvoll. Auf sowas wie Wege stückeln und eine Relation bauen bin ich erst garnicht gekommen. Zudem wäre mal eben nachmalen auch einfacher wie Wege zerstückeln und dann alles in Relation kippen. Folge der Relationen ist, dass die Wanderwege von Unwissenden immer wieder kaputt gemacht werden. Man wird also schon deshalb nie arbeitslos werden, weil man immer mal wieder von jemandem verbundene Wege wieder aufsplitten darf, um Linienzüge in Relationen wieder ganz zu machen. Das ist leider nur halb richtig. In den vorhandenen Editoren wäre das Eintragen so tatsächlich viel einfacher, das nachträgliche Bearbeiten ist allerdings erstmal sogar schwieriger, weil das gezielte Auswählen eines Weges von mehreren, die über die gleichen Knoten verlaufen, blöd ist. [...] Weiterhin könnte man argumentieren, das Gebäude, die wirklich so stark verschmolzen sind, dass die Wand hier nicht gedoppelt ist, ein einziges Gebäude sind. Die Wand muss also garnicht eingezeichnet werden. Einerseits aber schon eine wichtige Information, weil man eine solche Trennmauer u.a. aus Brandschutzgründen nicht durchbrechen dürfte (und wenn ich ein Haus einer bestimmten Mindestgröße suche, hilft mir das also nichts); Andererseits auch für OSM sinnvoller als zwei Gebäude einzuzeichnen, weil üblicherweise die Adresse unterschiedlich ist. Gruß Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Kreuzungen finden mit Nominatim?
Hallo! Danke für die Antwort! Ich habe mir nun mit Hilfe der Overpass API ein kleines Script gebaut. https://github.com/marians/geogut Es findet die Knoten zu zwei Straßen und sucht heraus, welche Knoten beide Straßen gemeinsam haben. Wenn es mehrere sind, errechnet es den Mittelwert. Grüße vom Marian Am 9. Juli 2012 16:39 schrieb Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de: Hi Marian, soweit ich das beurteilen kann, klappt das (noch) nicht http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim/Development_overview Ich glaub die Leute von frankfurt-gestalten.de hatten mal ein ähnliches Problem, bin mir aber nicht sicher ob/wie die es gelöst hatten. Matthias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Kreuzungen finden mit Nominatim?
Moin, Am 11.07.2012 11:01, schrieb Marian Steinbach: Hallo! Es findet die Knoten zu zwei Straßen und sucht heraus, welche Knoten beide Straßen gemeinsam haben. Wenn es mehrere sind, errechnet es den Mittelwert. ganz spontan fallen mir dazu mehrere ...ring-Straßen ein, die beidseits an die gleiche Straße angebunden sind, deren Kreuzungen aber mehrere hundert Meter auseinanderliegen. Davon dann den Mittelwert genommen ... Gruß Georg ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen aus der Sicht der Auswertung - Segen oder Fluch??
Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de schrieb: Nein. Wie der ANWENDER die Daten bekommt, ist den meisten Entwicklern tatsächlich egal; nur sollten die Informationen, wo möglich, auch außerhalb der Relation vorhanden sein, weil sie sonst von den Anwendungen oft ignoriert werden. Das ist jetzt nicht dein Ernst oder? Wir taggen weder für Renderer, noch für bestimmte oder spezielle Anwendungen. Wenn eine Anwendung nicht mit Relationen umgehen kann, ist das in erster Linie Problem der Anwendung, solange die Relation einen Sachverhalt der Realität adäquat modelliert. Auf Relationen wird nicht aus Gründen der Anwendungskompat. verzichtet, wenn sie der klar einfachere und intuitive Weg sind, Daten einzutragen. Es ist Entwicklern hier ganz klar nicht egal, wo die Daten herkommen, denn aus ihrem Kreise kommt der verständliche Wunsch, dass Sammelrelationen explizit nicht (mehr) aus der main db kommen sollten. Wäre es ihnen egal, könnten sie so belassen werden, denn selbst wenn sie redundant sind, sie modellieren einen Ausschnitt der Realität adäquat. Eine B 2 kann eben sowohl als Route als auch als Eigenschaft des Weges B 2 zu sein, aufgefasst werden. Gruß Christian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen aus der Sicht der Auswertung - Segen oder Fluch??
Am 11.07.2012 13:12, schrieb Christian Müller: Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de schrieb: Nein. Wie der ANWENDER die Daten bekommt, ist den meisten Entwicklern tatsächlich egal; nur sollten die Informationen, wo möglich, auch außerhalb der Relation vorhanden sein, weil sie sonst von den Anwendungen oft ignoriert werden. Das ist jetzt nicht dein Ernst oder? Wir taggen weder für Renderer, noch für bestimmte oder spezielle Anwendungen. Wenn eine Anwendung nicht mit Relationen umgehen kann, ist das in erster Linie Problem der Anwendung, solange die Relation einen Sachverhalt der Realität adäquat modelliert. Das ist das typische Missverständnis dieses Schlagworts. Wir taggen nicht für den Renderer meint ja nicht, dass das Tagging Anwendungen/Renderer ignorieren soll. Es meint, dass ein Park nicht korrekt eingetragen ist, wenn man ihn als Wald tagged, nur weil einem das Grün auf der Karte besser gefällt. Ich habe auch nicht für eine bestimmte Anwendung argumentiert, sondern eben für den Großteil: Ein Multipolygon, das ein simples Polygon modelliert, wird aus einigen Anwendungen rausfallen, weil diese damit nicht umgehen können - es hat aber keinerlei praktische Vorteile gegenüber einem geschlossenen Weg. Eine Routen-Relation für eine Straße, nur weil der Name auf aneinanderhängenden Wegen dann nicht mehrfach angegeben werden müsste, hat keinen praktischen Vorteil für irgendeine Anwendung - schon, weil keine Anwendung sich erlauben kannn, die Namen auf den einzelnen Ways komplett zu ignorieren - die Funktionalität muss also trotzdem eingebaut werden. Wenn eine Anwendung nicht mit Relationen umgehen kann, ist das ihr Problem, das ist richtig. Wenn aber die Nutzung von Relationen die Hürde sowohl für Anwendungsentwickler als auch für Mapper anhebt, dann ist das für mich ein eindeutiges Signal, dass es anders vermutlich besser ist. Auf Relationen wird nicht aus Gründen der Anwendungskompat. verzichtet, wenn sie der klar einfachere und intuitive Weg sind, Daten einzutragen. Richtig. Momentan sind sie das aber nicht - weder einfach noch intuitiv einzutragen - und noch weniger gut korrekt zu halten. Gruß Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen aus der Sicht der Auswertung - Segen oder Fluch??
Mal ein Beispiel aus der Vergangenheit zu Radrouten/Wanderrouten: Zu Beginn wurden diese einfach an den Weg getaggt, über den diese verlaufen (Bsp: ref_rcn=ThSk). Das funktionierte sehr gut, bis es gehäuft vorkam, dass über manche Wege mehrere Routen verliefen (Bsp: ref_rcn=Ilm;ThSk;Fei). Für meine Karte wäre das vollkommen ausreichend. Mich interessiert die Info, ob auf diesem Weg eine Radroute verläuft und die ganzen Abkürzungen als ein String für den Namen, den man noch mit Stringreplace etwas aufhübschen kann. Projekte wie die Karten von Lonvia dürften damit nur sehr kompliziert umsetzbar sein. Was nun der einfache Weg ist und was nicht halte ich für nebensächlich, sobald ein Editor mit ins Spiel kommt. Den kann man immer so anpassen, dass dieser eine Weg möglichst einfach ist. In josm sind doch eineige Sachen über Relationen nur so einfach, weil josm die Relation speziell behandelt und Tools bereit stellt, einfach damit zu arbeiten. Wenn man sich nicht auf Routenrelationen geeinigt hätte, hätte josm wahrscheinlich andere Tools, die die Arbeit mit Routen unterstützen würden. Henning ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Kreuzungen finden mit Nominatim?
Am 11. Juli 2012 12:11 schrieb Georg Feddern o...@bavarianmallet.de: Es findet die Knoten zu zwei Straßen und sucht heraus, welche Knoten beide Straßen gemeinsam haben. Wenn es mehrere sind, errechnet es den Mittelwert. Du hast völlig Recht. In solchen Fällen wird der Punkt ziemlich daneben liegen. Man tut also gut daran, das Ergebnis zu kontrollieren. Eine komplexere Logik würde die Distanz zwischen den Punkten bestimmen und dann ab einem bestimmten Schwellenwert mindestens eine Warnung ausgeben. Grüße vom Marian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen aus der Sicht der Auswertung - Segen oder Fluch??
Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de schrieb: Wenn eine Anwendung nicht mit Relationen umgehen kann, ist das ihr Problem, das ist richtig. Wenn aber die Nutzung von Relationen die Hürde sowohl für Anwendungsentwickler als auch für Mapper anhebt, dann ist das für mich ein eindeutiges Signal, dass es anders vermutlich besser ist. Auf Relationen wird nicht aus Gründen der Anwendungskompat. verzichtet, wenn sie der klar einfachere und intuitive Weg sind, Daten einzutragen. Richtig. Momentan sind sie das aber nicht - weder einfach noch intuitiv einzutragen - und noch weniger gut korrekt zu halten. Das ist Ansichtssache. Ich finde sie einfach und intuitiv und möchte in Gebieten mit hohen Datendichten diese Art der Modellierung nicht missen. Sie erhöht die Verständlichkeit und Übersichtlichkeit enorm. Zudem beendet sie das Gezerre um die Debatte, ob Wege überlappend oder ganz dicht beieinander gezeichnet werden sollen. Man zeichnet eine Flächengrenze und ordnet diese den Flächen zu, an denen sie 'teilnimmt' - fertig. Im Prinzip wiederholst Du hier einen ähnlich gelagerten Fall, der zwischen - nur POI für ein Geschäft - nur building+tags für ein Geschäft - beides parallel eingetragen bestand. Es gab einen Zeitpunkt, da reichte es aus, nur die POIs zu betrachten, aber der OSM-Planet hat sich weiter gedreht und sämtliche Software, die heute ernsthaft Geschäfte auswertet, wertet getaggte buildings aus (und transformiert ggf.). Gleiches wird auf absehbare Zeit für Relationen gelten, insbes. MPs. Wenn es eine legacy Software gibt, die damit nicht umgehen kann, müssen die Daten geeignet transformiert werden - wie das z.B. m.W. mkgmap für die POIs macht. Eine einfache Fläche gleich als MP anzulegen, bedeutet gewissermaßen Zukunftssicherheit, denn i.d.R. grenzt jede Fläche an irgendeine oder mehrere andere. Der closed way ist hier nicht die bessere Darstellungsform, sondern ein Überbleibsel aus den Anfängen von OSM. Er wird allenfalls der Bequemlichkeit wegen oder weil man es nicht besser weiß verwendet. Er lässt sich mal schnell eben grob anlegen ohne weiter nachzudenken, aber für die langfristige Pflege der Daten eignet sich ein MP viel besser, weil nur die Abschnitte der Flächengrenze betrachtet/geändert werden müssen, die auch bearbeitet werden sollen, statt immer den kompletten closed way zu bearbeiten. Je größer oder komplexer die zu bearbeitende Fläche ist, umso spürbarer wird dieser Vorteil. Dein Argument, dass Relationen die Hürde anheben, empfinde ich als hypothetisch. Relationen und im speziellen MPs sind als Lösung für Probleme entstanden, die es vorher gab. Wer sich davon abwendet, kehrt zu den alten Problemen zurück - schwacher Datenzusammenhang, approximative Rechnerei als Krücke fehlender Relationen, etc. pp. Ich empfinde als bedenklich, sie zu vermeiden, nur weil sie schlecht gepflegt werden oder von Editoren nur beschränkt unterstützt werden, von unnötigen Sammelrelationen, die sich eindeutig anders zusammensetzen lassen, einmal abgesehen. Das hat etwas von Selbstgeißelung. Ich mache mir doch auch keine Gedanken darüber, ob es ohne Gesundheit geht, nur weil das Gesundheitssystem schlecht funktioniert.. Gruß Christian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen aus der Sicht der Auswertung - Segen oder Fluch??
Am 10.07.2012 21:17, schrieb Christian Müller: Aneinandergereihte Gebäude nutzen häufig overlapping ways, da stimme ich Dir ebenso zu. Eigentlich gibt es die Wand nur einmal, welche da durch zwei Wege in OSM repräsentiert wird. Das geschieht aus Bequemlichkeit, nicht weil es logisch und/oder plausibel ist. Wie man am Schlüssel building (und nicht etwa wall o. dgl.) erkennen kann, mappen wir keine Wände, sondern Umrisse von Gebäudeflächen. Daher trifft der Mapper mit der Verwendung zweier Ways keinerlei Aussage über die Anzahl der Wände an dieser Stelle. Das Einzeichnen aneinander gebauter Gebäude mit overlapping ways ist also nicht bloß bequemer und verständlicher, sondern auch 100% korrekt. Streng genommen müßte ein MP her, welches die Wand in Bezug zu den Gebäuden setzt, an denen sie teilnimmt. Wir zeichnen auch Ländergrenzen nicht doppelt. Egal, wie streng du es nimmst, es muss keineswegs ein MP her - s.o. Dass wir Ländergrenzen nicht doppelt zeichnen, liegt ganz praktisch daran, dass diese - weit mehr gemeinsame Nodes haben als zwei benachbarte Gebäude - eine sehr große Fläche einschließen - wegen der Gesamtlänge ohnehin MP mit zerlegten outers brauchen. Die Anzahl gemeinsamer Nodes benachbarter Gebäude ist hingegen selten höher als 2, die Gesamtzahl der Nodes im einstelligen oder niedrigen zweistelligen Bereich, und die bedeckte Fläche so klein, dass sie ohnehin als Ganzes heruntergeladen wird. Gebäude sind daher ein Musterbeispiel für einen Fall, wo eine pauschale Modellierung über mehrere Ways und eine Relation statt einen einzelnen Way wirklich total fehl am Platz wäre. Gruß, Tobias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Flughafenkarte - falsch verstanden ?
Hi ! ich meine vielmehr eine Karte die es erlaubte zwischen verschiedenen Levels zu schalten um zu sehen auf welcher Ebene sich welcher Shop befindet Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Licence redaction ready to begin
Die Edits des bots sind hier: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/OSMF%20Redaction%20Account/edits ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen aus der Sicht der Auswertung - Segen oder Fluch??
Am 11.07.2012 07:53, schrieb Manuel Reimer: Zudem wäre mal eben nachmalen auch einfacher wie Wege zerstückeln und dann alles in Relation kippen. Folge der Relationen ist, dass die Wanderwege von Unwissenden immer wieder kaputt gemacht werden. Man wird also schon deshalb nie arbeitslos werden, weil man immer mal wieder von jemandem verbundene Wege wieder aufsplitten darf, um Linienzüge in Relationen wieder ganz zu machen. Das passiert auch mit Wegen generell - die werden ebenso regelmäßig repariert. Da beschwert sich niemand. Was hier fehlt, sind eine stärkere Editorintegration, um Relationen zu bearbeiten. Es ist doch ein Modus denkbar, der genauso, wie Du es beschreibst, das Nachzeichnen erlaubt, aber im Hintergrund einfach Wegsegmente bildet und die in eine Relation kippt. Für Routenrelationen würde eine Relation ausgewählt und in der Folge - alle neu angelegten Wege im Hintergrund addiert - Wege, über die gezeichnet wird, entsprechend gesplittet bzw. in Gänze hinzugefügt Josm hat da in letzter Zeit viele kleinere Verbesserungen erhalten, z.B. ist es nicht mehr notwendig, jedesmal den Dialog einer Relation aufzurufen, wenn Elemente hinzugefügt werden sollen. Das lässt sich nun auch über Rechtsklick erledigen. Evtl. wird die Handhabung von Relationen in Zukunft noch stärker integriert, anstatt (durch den Dialog) wie ein Zusatzfeature zu wirken. Woher weißt du eigentlich bei aneinandergereihten Gebäuden, ob die Wand an der Stoßstelle wirklich nur eine Wand ist? In aller Regel gibt es diese Wand in der Tat zweimal. In diesem Fall liegen sie dann aber auch nebeneinander ;-) Ich weiß, dass das (noch) Haarspalterei ist - aber mit der Verfügbarkeit der letzten Bing-Bilder sind ja nun mittlerweile auch die Gulli-Deckel sichtbar geworden.. Gruß Christian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Flughafenkarte - falsch verstanden ?
Hallo Jan. Kenne ich von der Uni Lausanne [1] - aber ein Flughafen ist das nicht gerade ;). Wenn Du mehr Beispiele findest, würden mich die aber auch interessieren Gruß Peter [1] http://plan.epfl.ch/ Am 11.07.2012 17:00, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Hi ! ich meine vielmehr eine Karte die es erlaubte zwischen verschiedenen Levels zu schalten um zu sehen auf welcher Ebene sich welcher Shop befindet Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] [Übersetzung] Fwd: Licence redaction ready to begin
[Ganz zu Anfang der Hinweis, dass der Bot seit Mittwoch, dem 11. Juli 2012, 14:29 Uhr MESZ läuft] Hier nach bestem Wissen und Gewissen die Übersetzung von Richards Mail in der Hoffnung, dass nicht jeder exzellent englisch spricht. ;) Hallo alle miteinander, Ich freue mich ankündigen zu können, dass der Lizenz-Bot startbereit ist. Beginnend diese Woche, werden wir die Beiträge (weniger als 1%) aus der Live-Datenbank redigieren, die nicht mit der neuen Vereinbarung für Mitwirkende (Contributor Terms) und der Open Database License (ODbL) kompatibel sind. In anderen Worten: auf diese Beiträge wird man nicht mehr zugreifen können. Wir erwarten, am _Mittwoch_, dem elften Juli¹ beginnen zu können in der Annahme, dass bis dahin die letzten Details der Einstellungen vollständig sind. Der Bot wird in dieser Reihenfolge vorgehen: 1. Irland 2. Großbritannien 3. Westeuropa 4. Nordamerika 5. Australien 6. Rest der Welt Sobald der Bot die Arbeit beendet hat sind wir bereit, die Daten unter der ODbL zur Verfügung zu stellen. Dies werden wir in einer gesonderten Ankündigung bekannt geben. Der letzte unter CC-by-SA stehende Datensatz vor dem Start des Bots wurde erzeugt und ist verfügbar unter http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-120704.osm.bz2 Wo Daten redigiert wurden wird jeder Versuch, über die API oder die browse-Seiten von osm.org darauf zuzugreifen eine entsprechende Antwort liefern. Testläufe haben gezeigt, dass der Bot so funktioniert wie wir es wünschen, aber natürlich werden wir den Ablauf überwachen. Gegenwärtig erwarten wir, dass er einen Monat benötigt, um seine Aufgabe zu erledigen. Aufgrund der vielen Variablen fürchte ich, dass wir keine genauere Richtung angeben können, aber wir versuchen, jedermann auf dem Laufenden zu halten (über die announce@ und talk@-Mailinglisten). Es wird _keine_ API-Abschaltung geben und keine andere Unterbrechung von Bearbeitungen. Wenn der Bot in eurer Gegend aktiv ist, speichert eure Bearbeitungen bitte oft, um die Wahrscheinlichkeit von Konflikten zu minimieren. (Separate Nachrichten gehen an talk-ie@ und talk-gb@ als den ersten zwei betroffenen Gebieten. Bitte leitet diese Nachricht an eure lokalen Mailinglisten weiter und übersetzt sie.) Wie ihr wisst erwarteten wir, dass dies kurz nach dem ersten April geschehen würde. Die Verzögerung ist der Komplexität der Aufgabe geschuldet. Vielen Dank euch allen für die Geduld, bis wir den Bot auf den Weg brachten. Ein besonderer Dank geht an alle, die durch Patches, Vorschläge und andere Verbesserungen zum Code beitrugen. Richard für das OSMF-Board ¹ im Original wird offensichtlich falsch der neunte Juli genannt ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Relationen aus der Sicht der Auswertung - Segen oder Fluch??
Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de schrieb: Das Einzeichnen aneinander gebauter Gebäude mit overlapping ways ist also nicht bloß bequemer und verständlicher, sondern auch 100% korrekt. Meinetwegen, jeder Architekt und jedes Katasteramt würde das zwar eindeutig anders sehen, aber für OSM ist es momentan wohl ausreichend - 100% korrekt würde ich in diesem Zshg. nicht verwenden. - wegen der Gesamtlänge ohnehin MP mit zerlegten outers brauchen. Ja, aber Du verwendest auch für eine Ländergrenze mit nur 4 nodes ein MP - ganz einfach weil das dort usus ist. So, umgekehrt hast Du nun zigtausend Gebäude, zu denen es nicht mehr Infos gibt (evtl. geben sollte), als ein Umrißrechteck. Heißt das dann für Dich, weil es bei Gebäuden so üblich ist, dass Du auch echt komplexe Gebäude, wie innerstädtische Bahnhöfe oder überdimensionierte Einkaufstempel ohne MP modellieren willst? Du schreibst es ja selbst, es ist eine Frage der Komplexität. Schau Dir z.B. den Hbf Berlin mit mehreren Ebenen an. Solange man dort nur das Umrißrechteck zeichnet, kommt man ohne MP aus, zugegeben. Mit jedem Detail wächst aber der Datenbestand, closed ways werden länger, oder überlappen sich z.B. bei drei Geschossen und der Modellierung von Halle und innenliegendem Raum schon so sechs Mal. Um Bezüge herstellen zu können schreibst Du deine eigenen Algorithmen und ärgerst Dich dann, das irgendwo ein Node aus der Reihe tanzt, manche Mapper legen sich den extra an, weil sie nicht wissen, wie sie sonst den fünften von sechs überlappenden Wegen selektieren sollen. Anders mit MPs, da zeichne ich einmal die Wände und kann dann Räume, Umriße und Hallen, etc. in Bezug setzen. Gebäude sind daher ein Musterbeispiel für einen Fall, wo eine pauschale Modellierung über mehrere Ways und eine Relation statt einen einzelnen Way wirklich total fehl am Platz wäre. Ok, aber das gilt m.E. nur, solange nicht mehr als ein Umrißrechteck drin ist. Sobald Innenhöfe, Rolltreppen, Aufzüge, mehrere Ebenen und Innenräume hinzukommen empfinde ich overlapping ways als fehleranfälliger und umständlicher in der Wartung. Zudem ist die Wahrscheinlichkeit höher, dass alles heruntergeladen wird und Konflikte beim Editieren erzeugt werden, obwohl ich bsp.-weise nur am Westflügel eines Geb. interessiert bin, oder nur am UG.. Andererseits ist Indoor-Mapping so und so nicht einfach, da hier eine andere Rechtslage besteht (Hausrecht statt Panoramafreiheit). Gruß, Christian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Fwd: [Announce] Redaction underway
FYI: [da nicht alle die Englischsprachigen Mailinglisten lesen] der Redaction Bot ist jetzt in Betrieb! Scheinbar wird er erst mal auf Irland losgelassen. In dem Zusammenhang wurde auch in einer Ankündigung von Grant Slater (einer der Admins) explizit darum gebeten, dass alle Massenedits, Importe und anderen Bots bis auf weiteres unterbleiben/gestoppt werden (ansonsten wir der Account möglicherweise geblockt). Hintergrund: die Performance der API soll für den Redaction BOT zur Verfügung stehen. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/announce/2012-July/66.html Ferner wird empfohlen bei normalen Edits (die weiterhin möglich sind) häufig die Daten zu sichern bzw. hoch zu laden. Grüße, Michael. (freut sich, dass wir endlich einen Schritt vorwärts machen) Original-Nachricht Betreff:[Announce] Redaction underway Datum: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:14:15 +0100 Von:Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net An: talk...@openstreetmap.org, annou...@openstreetmap.org, t...@openstreetmap.org Followup-An:t...@openstreetmap.org [posted to talk-ie@, announce@ and talk@; follow-ups to talk@ unless Ireland-specific] Hello all, The redaction process is now underway with Ireland as planned. Further updates will be posted to relevant lists as and when each phase starts and ends: - to talk-ie@ and talk-gb@ when Ireland ends and Great Britain begins - to talk-gb@ and talk@ when Great Britain ends and Western Europe/Belarus begins - to talk@, talk-us@ and talk-ca@ when Belarus ends and North America begins - to talk-us@, talk-ca@ and talk-au@ when North America ends and Australia begins - to talk-au@ and talk@ when Australia ends and the rest of the world begins - to talk@ when the rest of the world ends ...and, of course, if anything interrupts the progress of the redaction more than briefly. All updates will be cc:ed to announce@. cheers Richard ___ Announce mailing list annou...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/announce ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Flughafenkarte - falsch verstanden ?
Am 11.07.2012 18:36, schrieb Peter Wendorff: Hallo Jan. Kenne ich von der Uni Lausanne [1] - aber ein Flughafen ist das nicht gerade ;). Wenn Du mehr Beispiele findest, würden mich die aber auch interessieren Gruß Peter [1] http://plan.epfl.ch/ Hallo Peter, vielen Dank - das geht schon in die richtige Richtung. Die gesuchte Seite hat so ähnlich gearbeitet - war nur schneller aber dafür einfacher. Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] scoprire nuovi utenti con un nuovo tool: New OSM Contributor Feed
Io sono piu' comodo con le notifiche via mail. Quindi ho appena creato una ricetta pubblica su ifttt.com. che prende il feed e ti manda una mail ogni mattina se un nuovo utente ha iniziato a mappare nella tua zona. ecco il link: http://ifttt.com/recipes/44673 2012/7/9 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Segnalo questo nuovo tool di Pascal Neis, che crea un newsfeed per scoprire nuovi utenti secondo i primi edits che fanno: Il suo articolo nel blog è in inglese: http://neis-one.org/2012/07/new-contributor-feed/ ma per utilizzare il tool è sufficiente di modificare questo esempio (Roma) e fare un abbonamento del feed atom: http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmfeed.php?lon=12.48lat=41.89deg=1 deg indica la grandezza del bounding box in gradi. Il tool mostra tutti utenti nuovi che hanno fatto un edit negli ultimi 7 giorni in quella bounding box. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Vialetti in parchi urbani
All'interno del parco di Trenno a Milano alcuni vialetti ciclopedonali sono stati taggati con: highway=track gradetype=grade1 Io non sono molto d'accordo con questa classificazione, non danno certo l'idea di sentieri (in campagna o in un bosco). Sono per lo piu' asfaltati. Potete vedere alcune foto qui: http://www.ciclomi.it/mappa/schede/MI_061.pdf Cosa ne pensate? grazie maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Il fatto quotidiano parla di noi (terremoto in emilia e openstreetmap
http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2012/07/10/terremoto-in-emilia-mappe-online-e-crowdsourcing-per-gestire-lemergenza/289641/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Vialetti in parchi urbani
a seconda dei casi direi: highway=cycleway (o anche footway o path) bicycle=official/yes/permissive foot=official/yes segregated=yes/no surface=paved/asphalt ciao 2012/7/11 emmexx emm...@tiscalinet.it All'interno del parco di Trenno a Milano alcuni vialetti ciclopedonali sono stati taggati con: highway=track gradetype=grade1 Io non sono molto d'accordo con questa classificazione, non danno certo l'idea di sentieri (in campagna o in un bosco). Sono per lo piu' asfaltati. Potete vedere alcune foto qui: http://www.ciclomi.it/mappa/schede/MI_061.pdf Cosa ne pensate? grazie maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [OT] Re: access destination
... e allora, quali sono le conclusioni della nostra estesa conversazione per l'aspetto ciclisti (che mi interessa particolarmente). Abbiamo su un lato i puristi che mappano secondo la legge con l'effetto che i routers per bici, che vengono prodotti in paesi non-italiani, non funzionano, e sul altro i pragmatisti che vogliono mappare la prassi per permettere di utilizzare questi routers anche in Italia. Vero che questo pragmatismo puzza di mappare per il renderer/routing, ma non vedo altre alternative. Mi sembra anche il caso di tentare una pagina wiki italiano con le linee guide, *se* arriviamo a una conclusione comune. 2012/7/10 Paolo Pozzan pa...@z2z.it Il 10/07/2012 13:23, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: [cut] E' vero che i cartelli sono spesso assurdi, per esempio ho visto un maxspeed=30, che però diventava un 40 in caso di ghiaccio o pioggia ;-). Credo che il problema è meno quello di mettere i cartelli giusti che di non rimuovere quelli vecchi. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/File:Maxspeed_snow.jpghttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Maxspeed_snow.jpg [cut] Di certo questa è una situazione confusionaria, ma nei cartelli più vecchi i pannelli integrativi di precipitazioni atmosferiche e gelo si riferiscono solo al segnale di pericolo, non al limite di velocità. Penso che situazioni del genere si possano creare nel momento in cui la gestione della strada passa da un ente a un'altro, quindi si formano le classiche empasse burocratiche all'italiana. Ciao! Paolo __**_ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ithttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Vialetti in parchi urbani
Il 11 luglio 2012 13:22, Tiziano D'Angelo tiziano.dang...@gmail.com ha scritto: a seconda dei casi direi: highway=cycleway (o anche footway o path) bicycle=official/yes/permissive foot=official/yes segregated=yes/no surface=paved/asphalt +1 ciao -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [OT] Re: access destination
2012/7/11 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: Abbiamo su un lato i puristi che mappano secondo la legge con l'effetto che i routers per bici, che vengono prodotti in paesi non-italiani, non funzionano, e sul altro i pragmatisti che vogliono mappare la prassi per permettere di utilizzare questi routers anche in Italia. Ci fai un esempio di router che non funziona, così possiamo capire se è un bug del router o della mappatura? Vero che questo pragmatismo puzza di mappare per il renderer/routing, ma non vedo altre alternative. Non mi è molto chiaro il problema. 1. Di fronte ad una specifica strada nel mondo reale, dobbiamo essere in grado di capire se è percorribile in bici oppure no. Fin qui OSM non c'entra. 2. Una volta che abbiamo capito qual è la percorribilità nel mondo reale di quella strada, allora dobbiamo mappare OSM di conseguenza. A meno di bug nel router, questo secondo passo non è difficile: basta usare il tag bicycle con il valore corretto. Io ho l'impressione che tu voglia lavorare sul punto 2, mentre secondo me è il punto più facile e invece bisogna lavorare sul punto 1. Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Avmap Geosat2c
Ciao mi hanno chiesto se il GPS in oggetto può utilizzare una mappa derivata da OSM. Facendo qualche ricerca mi sembrerebbe di no. Idee? Ciao /niubii/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Avmap Geosat2c
2012/7/11 niubii f.pelu...@gmail.com: mi hanno chiesto se il GPS in oggetto può utilizzare una mappa derivata da OSM. Facendo qualche ricerca mi sembrerebbe di no. no, non funziona, ma telefonare ad avmap e dire quanto ti farebbe piacere poter usare osm sui loro navigatori, potrebbe mettere in moto delle cose che sono ferme da un po'. tirato il sasso...adesso, nascondo la mano... :) -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [OT] Re: access destination
Ci sono due punti sui quali vorrei arrivare ad un consenso: 1) Il segnale divieto d'accesso ( https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segnali_di_prescrizione_nella_segnaletica_verticale_italiana#Segnali_di_divieto) che vorrei generalmente interpretare in modo approssimativo come divieto di accesso a mezzi motorizzati, perché viene usato ed interpretato così (in Italia). 2) L'altro aspetto che è saltato fuori sono le interpretazioni di private. private vieta l'accesso a tutti che non hanno una autorizzazione esplicita ed individuale e non può essere condizionato con bicycle=yes o permissive o simili. E mi sembra che anche gli algoritmi di routing lo interpretano così. Ma devo ammettere che conosco gli algoritmi di routing, posso solo dire che incontro un sacco di problemi quando faccio routing reale per la bici (e ne ho fatto per milgia di km in Italia ed al estero). In alcuni rari casi mi sono preso il tempo di guardare i tags in OSM, ma normalmente non ho il tempo e cerco di indovinare la situazione reale e continuo la creazione della traccia senza routing per superare l'ostacolo. In questa discussione sono meno un mappatore che un utente di OSM. Volker 2012/7/11 Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com 2012/7/11 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: Abbiamo su un lato i puristi che mappano secondo la legge con l'effetto che i routers per bici, che vengono prodotti in paesi non-italiani, non funzionano, e sul altro i pragmatisti che vogliono mappare la prassi per permettere di utilizzare questi routers anche in Italia. Ci fai un esempio di router che non funziona, così possiamo capire se è un bug del router o della mappatura? Vero che questo pragmatismo puzza di mappare per il renderer/routing, ma non vedo altre alternative. Non mi è molto chiaro il problema. 1. Di fronte ad una specifica strada nel mondo reale, dobbiamo essere in grado di capire se è percorribile in bici oppure no. Fin qui OSM non c'entra. 2. Una volta che abbiamo capito qual è la percorribilità nel mondo reale di quella strada, allora dobbiamo mappare OSM di conseguenza. A meno di bug nel router, questo secondo passo non è difficile: basta usare il tag bicycle con il valore corretto. Io ho l'impressione che tu voglia lavorare sul punto 2, mentre secondo me è il punto più facile e invece bisogna lavorare sul punto 1. Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Avmap Geosat2c
OK, io ci provo. Piuttosto che telefonargli, preferisco inviare qualche mail. Concludo con una riflessione a voce alta. Certe volte proprio non capisco per quale motivo queste aziende non si siano ancora buttate a palla. Secondo me, con un minimo sforzo, potrebbero conseguire grandi risultati. Forse la diffusione di Android li costringerà a cambiare idea. Ciao /niubii/ Il giorno 11 luglio 2012 15:02, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha scritto: 2012/7/11 niubii f.pelu...@gmail.com: mi hanno chiesto se il GPS in oggetto può utilizzare una mappa derivata da OSM. Facendo qualche ricerca mi sembrerebbe di no. no, non funziona, ma telefonare ad avmap e dire quanto ti farebbe piacere poter usare osm sui loro navigatori, potrebbe mettere in moto delle cose che sono ferme da un po'. tirato il sasso...adesso, nascondo la mano... :) -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [OT] Re: access destination
Il 11 luglio 2012 15:09, Volker Schmidt ha scritto: 1) Il segnale divieto d'accesso (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segnali_di_prescrizione_nella_segnaletica_verticale_italiana#Segnali_di_divieto) che vorrei generalmente interpretare in modo approssimativo come divieto di accesso a mezzi motorizzati, perché viene usato ed interpretato così (in Italia). -1 non possiamo fare altro che riportare i cartelli (e come cittadini cercare di far cambiare o togliere i cartelli sbagliati) -- Daniele Forsi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [OT] Re: access destination
Il problema è reale, molto reale. Sono coinvolto attivamente nel lato utenza (cicloturismo) e posso garantirti che parliamo di decine di migliaia di segnali - è completamente fuori questione di farli cambiare. E bloccare queste decine di migliaia di km di stradine ideali per i ciclisti è altrettanto fuori questione. Si nasconde lì un problema ancora più insidioso della questione routing, cioè il problema della responsabilità civile e penale del ciclista in caso di incidenti) 2012/7/11 Daniele Forsi dfo...@gmail.com Il 11 luglio 2012 15:09, Volker Schmidt ha scritto: 1) Il segnale divieto d'accesso ( https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segnali_di_prescrizione_nella_segnaletica_verticale_italiana#Segnali_di_divieto ) che vorrei generalmente interpretare in modo approssimativo come divieto di accesso a mezzi motorizzati, perché viene usato ed interpretato così (in Italia). -1 non possiamo fare altro che riportare i cartelli (e come cittadini cercare di far cambiare o togliere i cartelli sbagliati) -- Daniele Forsi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Fontana decorativa con acqua potabile
Domanda da principiante: come si tagga una fontana ornamentale (amenity=fountain) con acqua potabile (amenity= drinking_water)? ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Fontana decorativa con acqua potabile
Volker Schmidt, on 11/07/2012 16.38, wrote: Domanda da principiante: come si tagga una fontana ornamentale (amenity=fountain) con acqua potabile (amenity= drinking_water)? Direi [0]: amenity=fountain drinkable=yes Damjan [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dfountain ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] A1 o A 1?
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:45:40AM +0200, Simone Saviolo wrote: Il giorno 11 luglio 2012 11:40, Alexander Roalter alexan...@roalter.it ha scritto: Quale versione è da adottare? A 1 o A1 ? Mi sembra che la versione corretta sia A1. Tu stesso hai scritto A22 quando ti riferivi all'autostrada del Brennero :-) Anche io sono per A1 senza spazio: più compatto, non crea problemi di andate a capo, ecc. Se non ricordo male lo avevamo scritto anche sul Wiki italiano. Il problema è che esiste (o almeno esisteva) un bot automatico che correggeva il ref mettendoci lo spazio, solo per le autostrade (A*) e per i percorsi europei (E*). Il bot agiva a livello mondiale, forse sul wiki inglese c'è scritto che lo spazio ci vuole. Io rivendico l'autonomia di decidere qui in Italia come mappare le autostrade, e anche i percorsi europei. Se il bot è ancora attivo sarebbe il caso di scrivere al gestore in modo che smetta di fare modifiche in Italia? Se c'è un minimo di consenso lo faccio. -- Niccolo Rigacci - http://www.rigacci.net/ Firenze - Italy Tel. ufficio: 055-9331021 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] A1 o A 1?
On 12/07/2012 00:25, Niccolo Rigacci wrote: Se il bot è ancora attivo sarebbe il caso di scrivere al gestore in modo che smetta di fare modifiche in Italia? Se c'è un minimo di consenso lo faccio. +1 Carlo -- .' `. | Registered Linux User #443882 |a_a | | http://counter.li.org/ .''`. \_)__/ +--- : :' : /( )\ ---+ `. `'` |\`/\ Registered Debian User #9 | `- \_|=='|_/ http://debiancounter.altervista.org/ | ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [OT] Re: access destination
Il giorno mer, 11/07/2012 alle 15.56 +0200, Volker Schmidt ha scritto: Il problema è reale, molto reale. Sono coinvolto attivamente nel lato utenza (cicloturismo) e posso garantirti che parliamo di decine di migliaia di segnali - è completamente fuori questione di farli cambiare. E bloccare queste decine di migliaia di km di stradine ideali per i ciclisti è altrettanto fuori questione. -1 IMHO non possiamo mappare l'interpretazione approssimativa, generale... di un segnale che nel codice della strada non da' adito ad approssimazioni o distorsioni. Il segnale indicato vieta la circolazione di tutti i veicoli, compresi i velocipedi! Unica eccezione riportata dal codice della strada si trova nelle aree pedonali: in questo caso è sempre consentito il transito in bicicletta a meno di apposita indicazione di divieto. Le stradine ideali per i ciclisti sono piste ciclabili? Sono state citate più volte le alzaie di navigli o canali: queste solitamente non sono piste ciclabili ma strade di servizio alla manutenzione dei corsi d'acqua. Per queste ultime è solitamente l'ente gestore che deve stabilire a chi consentire il transito e secondo quali regole. Si nasconde lì un problema ancora più insidioso della questione routing, cioè il problema della responsabilità civile e penale del ciclista in caso di incidenti) Proprio ciò che successe sull'alzaia Naviglio Grande nel 2010 in seguito ad un incidente mortale di un ciclista (urtato da un altro ciclista): il tribunale riconosceva la corresponsabilità dell'ente gestore in quanto la strada era mancante dei requisiti di sicurezza necessari Da quel fatto, l'ente gestore ha installato la segnaletica di divieto d'accesso esplicito per pedoni e ciclisti) con l'intento di sollevarsi dalle responsabilità di eventuali altri incidenti. Inutile dire che, dopo qualche tempo, sia pedoni che ciclisti hanno transitato normalmente su quelle strade. Scopro ora che da luglio 2012 è cambiato l'ente gestore [1] che in accordo con la Regione Lombardia, ... in condizioni normali il transito [ciclopedonale] sarà tollerato a rischio del passante, un po’ come per i sentieri di montagna. In ogni caso non saranno ammesse velocità superiori ai 15 chilometri orari Dicono che a breve installeranno la relativa segnaletica [2] con esplicite indicazioni testuali. [1]http://www.parcoticino.it/parco/50_messa-in-sicurezza-delle-alzaie.html [2]http://www.etvilloresi.it/portal-villoresi/page220a.do?link=oln659a.redirectseu318a.oid.set=68dau260a.oid=372alt30a=page222a Ciao. Umberto. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-co] Se inicia el proceso de redacción de la Base de Datos
De: Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl Fecha: 10 de julio de 2012 22:24:11 GMT-05:00 Para: talk-cl talk...@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [Talk-cl] Se inicia el proceso de redacción de la Base de Datos Estimados, Para su información: http://blog.openstreetmap.cl/2012/07/10/se-inicia-el-proceso-de-redaccion-de-la-base-de-datos/ Saludos, Julio Costa Zambelli OpenStreetMap Chile julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl http://www.openstreetmap.cl/ Cel: +56(9)89981083 Postal: Casilla 9002, Correo 3, Viña del Mar, Chile ___ Talk-cl mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cl ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
Re: [Talk-co] Se inicia el proceso de redacción de la Base de Datos
Me deja de enviar eso -Original Message- From: CeSar CaRrEñO fErNaNdEz Sent: 11 Jul 2012 11:32:19 GMT To: OpenStreetMap Colombia Subject: Re: [Talk-co] Se inicia el proceso de redacción de la Base de Datos Me dejan de enviar ese tipo de informacion a mi correo ??? Les agradeceria . -Original Message- From: Fredyrivera Sent: 11 Jul 2012 11:27:07 GMT To: OpenStreetMap Colombia Subject: [Talk-co] Se inicia el proceso de redacción de la Base de Datos De: Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl Fecha: 10 de julio de 2012 22:24:11 GMT-05:00 Para: talk-cl talk...@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [Talk-cl] Se inicia el proceso de redacción de la Base de Datos Estimados, Para su información: http://blog.openstreetmap.cl/2012/07/10/se-inicia-el-proceso-de-redaccion-de-la-base-de-datos/ Saludos, Julio Costa Zambelli OpenStreetMap Chile julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl http://www.openstreetmap.cl/ Cel: +56(9)89981083 Postal: Casilla 9002, Correo 3, Viña del Mar, Chile ___ Talk-cl mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cl ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
Re: [Talk-co] Se inicia el proceso de redacción de la Base de Datos
-Original Message- From: CeSar CaRrEñO fErNaNdEz Sent: 11 Jul 2012 11:33:51 GMT To: OpenStreetMap Colombia Subject: Re: [Talk-co] Se inicia el proceso de redacción de la Base de Datos Me deja de enviar eso -Original Message- From: CeSar CaRrEñO fErNaNdEz Sent: 11 Jul 2012 11:32:19 GMT To: OpenStreetMap Colombia Subject: Re: [Talk-co] Se inicia el proceso de redacción de la Base de Datos Me dejan de enviar ese tipo de informacion a mi correo ??? Les agradeceria . -Original Message- From: Fredyrivera Sent: 11 Jul 2012 11:27:07 GMT To: OpenStreetMap Colombia Subject: [Talk-co] Se inicia el proceso de redacción de la Base de Datos De: Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl Fecha: 10 de julio de 2012 22:24:11 GMT-05:00 Para: talk-cl talk...@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [Talk-cl] Se inicia el proceso de redacción de la Base de Datos Estimados, Para su información: http://blog.openstreetmap.cl/2012/07/10/se-inicia-el-proceso-de-redaccion-de-la-base-de-datos/ Saludos, Julio Costa Zambelli OpenStreetMap Chile julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl http://www.openstreetmap.cl/ Cel: +56(9)89981083 Postal: Casilla 9002, Correo 3, Viña del Mar, Chile ___ Talk-cl mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cl ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
Re: [Talk-co] Se inicia el proceso de redacción de la Base de Datos
Haber no entiende ??? -Original Message- From: CeSar CaRrEñO fErNaNdEz Sent: 11 Jul 2012 11:33:51 GMT To: OpenStreetMap Colombia Subject: Re: [Talk-co] Se inicia el proceso de redacción de la Base de Datos Me deja de enviar eso -Original Message- From: CeSar CaRrEñO fErNaNdEz Sent: 11 Jul 2012 11:32:19 GMT To: OpenStreetMap Colombia Subject: Re: [Talk-co] Se inicia el proceso de redacción de la Base de Datos Me dejan de enviar ese tipo de informacion a mi correo ??? Les agradeceria . -Original Message- From: Fredyrivera Sent: 11 Jul 2012 11:27:07 GMT To: OpenStreetMap Colombia Subject: [Talk-co] Se inicia el proceso de redacción de la Base de Datos De: Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl Fecha: 10 de julio de 2012 22:24:11 GMT-05:00 Para: talk-cl talk...@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [Talk-cl] Se inicia el proceso de redacción de la Base de Datos Estimados, Para su información: http://blog.openstreetmap.cl/2012/07/10/se-inicia-el-proceso-de-redaccion-de-la-base-de-datos/ Saludos, Julio Costa Zambelli OpenStreetMap Chile julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl http://www.openstreetmap.cl/ Cel: +56(9)89981083 Postal: Casilla 9002, Correo 3, Viña del Mar, Chile ___ Talk-cl mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cl ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
Re: [Talk-co] disminucion de mapeo
Saludos cordiales. Esta tarde reiniciamos labores de openstreetmap en el colegio salesiano de duitama. Con humberto hemos trabajado conjuntamente y nos ha indicado zonas prioritarias de mapeo, si alguien quiere sugerir alguna zona, bienvenida la sugerencia. Enviado desde BlackBerry® de COMCEL S.A. -Original Message- From: Igor TAmara i...@tamarapatino.org Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 10:37:55 To: OpenStreetMap Colombiatalk-co@openstreetmap.org Reply-To: OpenStreetMap Colombia talk-co@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-co] disminucion de mapeo ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
Re: [Talk-co] disminucion de mapeo
En correo del 9 de mayo envié los polígonos 'hires=yes' .osm de las imágenes Orbview3, hay que documentar en la wiki. Sobre Bing existe esta herramienta http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=10.699059549939122lon=-74.9646653439298zoom=10 El 8 de julio de 2012 10:37, Igor TAmara i...@tamarapatino.org escribió: Creo que debe haber suficientes mapeadores, creo que lo que hace falta es un poco de organización en lo que hay por hacer, de esa forma los grupos tendrán información acerca de qué es prioritario mapear, o qué actividades hay para hacer. Pero con esta página que estás reforumlando creo que entiendo un poco más. Creo que otras cosas por hacer es calcar detalles de las nuevas imágenes de bing, también de hacer corrección de errores manuales que hemos identificado. En este sentido va la herramienta que propuse el otro día, lo que hace es mostrar sitios donde hay errores y que requieren ayuda de humanos para corregirlos, es exclusivamente errores de nombres...[1] Quiero montar un WFS para identificar los sitios en los que tenemos hires para Bing, pero no tengo claro cómo es el asunto con orbview, no se si tengamos una guía paso a paso de orbview. En este sentido, podríamos ofrecer a los maperos zonas en las cuales sería chévere que calcaran vías, ojos de agua e incluso construcciones. Todavía estoy en la búsqueda de un servidor de WFS que sea muy liviano, así que recomendaciones son bienvenidas. Creo que lo que nos hace falta es enriquecer un poco más el wiki para que haya tutoriales sencillos para seguir en las fiestas de mapeo o consulta para quienes se están iniciando. Cada vez que veo correos me siento newbie :) , porque hay mucho por aprender y hacer. 1.http://test.openstreetmap.co:5000/ El 6 de julio de 2012 14:30, hyan...@gmail.com hyan...@gmail.comescribió: +1 reformulación. El 6 de julio de 2012 14:26, Federico Explorador (Nevados.org) federico.explora...@nevados.org escribió: Hola Buena iniciativa Humberto. ** ** Relacionado con la disminución del mapeo está la calidad del mapeo y el wiki ** ** Para la página actual con el título de : **- **2011 Colombia floods Y los subtítulos **o **Flood emergencies [Timeline] **o **Working areas Imagery request ** ** Quisiera proponer reestructurarla, como sigue: **- **Colombia Emergencies and working areas **o **Natural Disasters [Timeline] **o **Complex emergencies [Timeline] **o **Working areas Imagery request ** ** En “Natural Disasters [Timeline]” se puede incluir tanto inundaciones, como terremotos o erupción de volcanes En “Complex emergencies [Timeline]” se incorporan las emergencias humanitarias derivadas por el conflicto, en la línea de OCHA. “Working areas Imagery request” refleja la respuesta a lo anterior.** ** ** ** Qué opinan? Puedo colaborar en la reformulación de la página. Saludos, Federico ** ** *De:* hyan...@gmail.com [mailto:hyan...@gmail.com] *Enviado el:* viernes, 06 de julio de 2012 08:21 a.m. *Para:* OpenStreetMap Colombia *Asunto:* Re: [Talk-co] disminucion de mapeo ** ** Hola, Acabo de actualizar la tabla de AOI para mapeo humanitario con la actividad de los pueblos indígenas. ** ** http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2011_Colombia_floods#Working_areas_.26_Imagery_request ** ** (En el ejercicio diario) Me he topado con varios nuevos mapeadores, creo que nuestra labor como más experimentados es guiar sobre las técnicas para ir en línea con la calidad de los datos cartográficos. ** ** Otro punto es realizar talleres en colegios y universidades. Una labor para resaltar es la que hace Leonardo Gutierrez en Duitama con estudiantes del Colegio Salesiano [1], han colaborado en muchos de los proyectos humanitarios y diligentemente se reúnen todos los miércoles a mapear en las latitudes del país donde tenemos cobertura de imágenes aéreas (Orbview3, Bing). ** ** Estudiantes de la Universidad de Cartagena han colaborado para realizar el mapeo en campo de http://bit.ly/laboquilla Seguro hay muchos más ejemplos. Esta es la torta [2] que compartimos en la última fiesta de mapeo [3] (hubo un pequeño accidente con ella...) ** ** Saludos, ** ** Humberto Yances ** ** ** ** [1] http://ceelat.org/mapas/osm-en-duitama/ [2] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1720266/Map%20pie.jpg [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_parties ** ** El 5 de julio de 2012 23:21, Harrier Co harrie...@hotmail.com escribió: Es cada vez mas dificil encontrar mapeadores de imagenes o es mi impresión?? harrierco ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ** ** ___ Talk-co mailing list
Re: [Talk-lt] Miškų kvartalų numeriai, kvartalinės linijos, kvartaliniai stulpeliai
Sveiki, 2012/7/10 Ramas ies...@ramuno.lt: ... siūlyčiau tokius dalykus atidėti projektui OpenForestMap :) ... Kaip pirštu į akį :) Jei nebus prieštaraujančių, žymėsiu: Visas miškas landuse:forest name:pavadinimas type:multipolygon Miške esantys kvartalai: type:multipolygon loc_ref:kvartalo_numeris loc_ref o ne ref naudosiu, nes kvartalai bendru adveju unikalūs tik vieno miško ribose. ref ko gero tiktų unikaliems bent jau šalies mastu dalykams. Stulpelių / skruzdėlynų / atskirų medžių miške nežymėsiu :) -- Keisas (Gintaras Kasiulionis) ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [Talk-es] Red Natura 2000
Hola: En principio me medioresponsabilicé yo, pero entre pitos y flautas y gaitas personales de la universidad no me puse en contacto directo con ninguna administración. Sin que esto sirva de disculpa, para empezar hay cierto cacao sobre el origen de los datos. La UE ordena a los países miembros la responsabilidad de cartografiar los espacios RN2000. En el caso de España a su vez la responsabilidad es delegada a las CCAA, que a su vez encarga a alguna de sus consejerías hacerlo. Estas a su vez se lo pueden transferir a sus departamentos o institutos especialiados en medioambiente. Por lo tanto no me queda nada claro de a donde dirigirme, pues los dueños de la información pueden ser muchos. No sé cómo fue la experiencia de colaboración con otras administraciones para que liberasen sus datos. Estaría interesante conocerlas para por lo menos saber por donde empezar. Manuel (Montgomery) El 10 de julio de 2012 05:37, Cruz Enrique Borges cruz.bor...@deusto.esescribió: Buenas Estaba buscando info sobre la red natura 2000 para un proyecto y me acorde de que en la lista se había hablado de importar los shapefiles y no se que más cosas, ¿al final en que quedó lo de la licencia? -- Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández Email: cruz.bor...@deusto.es DeustoTech Energy Telefono: 944139000 ext.2052 Avda. Universidades, 24 48007 Bilbao, Spain ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-at] Mittwoch!
Nur mal so als Erinnerung, bisher haben sich erst 3 User im Wiki eingetragen... lg bis heute Abend, Felix On 09.07.2012 19:26, Andreas Labres wrote: On 09.07.12 19:14, Werner Macho wrote: Ich wollt mich nur kurz melden und euch sagen das Mittwoch für mich leider nicht geht. Ich bin grad mit Arbeit eingedeckt worden und fahre Donnerstag aber für ne Woche weg. Leider keine Chance die Neuigkeiten Agit zu Präsentieren .. Wobei ich aber ehrlich gesagt auch nicht gewusst hätte was ich dazu sagen soll .. Alles klar. Danke! Ich werde die Ankündigung im Wiki dann gleich auf 18:30 beim Wieden Bräu ändern... BTW, falls jemand früher dort ist, könnte im Garten zwei Tische besetzen... sie nehmen im Garten keine Reservierungen an... Servus, Andreas ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
[Talk-lv] Darbu sāk datu korekcijas bots
Sveiki! Ātrai informācijai - šodien darbu beidzot sāk datu korekcijas bots, kas dzēsīs vai koriģēs datus atbilstoši jaunajai licensei. Cik saprotu, viss process varētu aizņemt mēnesi, bet varētu būt arī ātrāk. Sākumā Īrija, Anglija, Vācija, pēc tam visa pārējā pasaule. Lai sokas, Pēteris. ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv
Re: [Talk-lv] Darbu sāk datu korekcijas bots
Cool, ir kāds plāns pa kontinentiem? Kad mēs varam viņu sagaidīt latvijā? Viesturs 2012/7/11 pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com Sveiki! Ātrai informācijai - šodien darbu beidzot sāk datu korekcijas bots, kas dzēsīs vai koriģēs datus atbilstoši jaunajai licensei. Cik saprotu, viss process varētu aizņemt mēnesi, bet varētu būt arī ātrāk. Sākumā Īrija, Anglija, Vācija, pēc tam visa pārējā pasaule. Lai sokas, Pēteris. ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv
Re: [Talk-lv] Darbu sāk datu korekcijas bots
Citēju epastu no Ričarda Fairhursta http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-July/063420.html The bot will run in the following order: 1. Ireland 2. UK 3. Western Europe 4. North America 5. Australia 6. rest of the world Kad precīzi nepateikšu, bet ja viss strādās nesāpīgi, tas būs pāris nedēļu jautājums, augusta sākums kaut kur. P. 2012. gada 11. jūlijs 11:27 Viesturs Zarins viest...@gmail.com rakstīja: Cool, ir kāds plāns pa kontinentiem? Kad mēs varam viņu sagaidīt latvijā? Viesturs 2012/7/11 pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com Sveiki! Ātrai informācijai - šodien darbu beidzot sāk datu korekcijas bots, kas dzēsīs vai koriģēs datus atbilstoši jaunajai licensei. Cik saprotu, viss process varētu aizņemt mēnesi, bet varētu būt arī ātrāk. Sākumā Īrija, Anglija, Vācija, pēc tam visa pārējā pasaule. Lai sokas, Pēteris. ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv -- mortigi tempo Pēteris Krišjānis ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv
Re: [Talk-lv] Darbu sāk datu korekcijas bots
Papildinot - šeit ir koordinātes minētajiem reģioniem. https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-license-change/blob/df0e9b5bde11136e6bac10d412c48d2761f5f019/bounds.xml P. 2012. gada 11. jūlijs 11:32 pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com rakstīja: Citēju epastu no Ričarda Fairhursta http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-July/063420.html The bot will run in the following order: 1. Ireland 2. UK 3. Western Europe 4. North America 5. Australia 6. rest of the world Kad precīzi nepateikšu, bet ja viss strādās nesāpīgi, tas būs pāris nedēļu jautājums, augusta sākums kaut kur. P. 2012. gada 11. jūlijs 11:27 Viesturs Zarins viest...@gmail.com rakstīja: Cool, ir kāds plāns pa kontinentiem? Kad mēs varam viņu sagaidīt latvijā? Viesturs 2012/7/11 pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com Sveiki! Ātrai informācijai - šodien darbu beidzot sāk datu korekcijas bots, kas dzēsīs vai koriģēs datus atbilstoši jaunajai licensei. Cik saprotu, viss process varētu aizņemt mēnesi, bet varētu būt arī ātrāk. Sākumā Īrija, Anglija, Vācija, pēc tam visa pārējā pasaule. Lai sokas, Pēteris. ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv -- mortigi tempo Pēteris Krišjānis -- mortigi tempo Pēteris Krišjānis ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv
[Talk-lv] jelgava izzuud
hmm. nezinu, vai peecha mineetais bots liidz latvijai jau ir nonaacis, bet jelgavaa jau daudz kas ir izzudis : http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=13lat=56.6637lon=23.75007layers=00B pasleegaajamies starp cleanmap badmap -- Rich ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv
Re: [Talk-lv] V886 un V917
On 2012-07-10 21:54, Instigater wrote: Nav vairs V886, tas tagad ir pārkonvertējies apvienojies ar V917, un V917 ir tagad līdz sidrabiņiem. Man JOSM slinkums instalēt, gan jau sapratīsiet kartē. tur jau nav nekas jaainstalee, vai nu viens jarfails, vai pat java webstart ;) varbuut tomeer varam tevi piedabuut uz sho izmainju veikshanu ? bez konkretas saprashanas negribas neko mainiit... -- Rich ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv
Re: [Talk-lv] jelgava izzuud
Nav gadījumā tā, ka, ja kāds cits parediģē kādu objektu, tad datu licence uz attiecīgo objektu nepāriet pie lietotāja, kurš pēdējais viņu rediģējis?Ceru ka izteicu domu saprotami :) Citējot Rich ric...@nakts.net: On 2012-07-11 13:57, Rich wrote: hmm. nezinu, vai peecha mineetais bots liidz latvijai jau ir nonaacis, bet jelgavaa jau daudz kas ir izzudis : ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv
Re: [Talk-lv] Darbu sāk datu korekcijas bots
Izmaiņu sarakstā izmaiņas būs. Mistiski pazudīs objektu vēsture. http://redaction.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/573785524/history http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/rebuild/2012-July/000306.html Viesturs 2012/7/11 pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com Starp citu vēl piebilde - lietotājs/bots kas to darīs ir šis http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/OSMF%20Redaction%20Account Ne vienmēr izmaiņām būs Changeset, realitātē izmaiņas ir daudz viltīgākas, tāpēc izmaiņu sarakstā nekā daudz visticamāk nebūs. Lai sokas, Pēteris. 2012. gada 11. jūlijs 12:12 Jānis Ročāns janis.roc...@gmail.com rakstīja: Parastajam Latvijas OSM lietotājam jāreiķinās, ka daļa datu pazudīs un būs nepieciešams tos atjaunot :) 2012/7/11 Pilnais vārds aiv...@inbox.lv kas dzēsīs vai koriģēs datus atbilstoši jaunajai licensei a kāds no šitā labums parastam Latvijas OSM lietotājam? ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv -- Jānis ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv -- mortigi tempo Pēteris Krišjānis ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv
[Talk-lv] blogposts par osmand latviskojumu
paldies gintam par blogpostu - reklameejam osm kartes androiidos latviski :) http://osm.lv/blog/2012/07/osm-karte-android-iekartam-latviski joprojaam aicinaam jebkuru, kam ir ko teikt par osm, rakstiit blogpostus (es vienam listeniekam apsoliiju kaadu specifisku blogpostu uzrakstiit, bet, kaa redzams, tas tik veikli nenotiek...) -- Rich ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv
[Talk-lv] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Suspend Imports / Bulk edits / Bots
-- Forwarded message -- From: Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com Date: 2012/7/11 Subject: [OSM-talk] Suspend Imports / Bulk edits / Bots To: Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org, OSM Dev List d...@openstreetmap.org, annou...@openstreetmap.org, imports impo...@openstreetmap.org Dear All, Summary: Please stop Imports, Automated Edits, Bulk edits Bots until the redaction process has ended. The redaction bot has just started running. Until the redaction process has been completed please suspend all imports and bulk edit operations. Imports or bots which ignore this request may be subject to an immediate temporary account block to ease up load on the API and database servers. Normal editing operations should be unaffected although I would recommend saving often. If you have any questions or a pressing need for such an edit please contact the sysadmins in advance on IRC. See #osm-dev on OFTC via http://irc.openstreetmap.org/ Grant on behalf of OpenStreetMap Sysadmins ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- mortigi tempo Pēteris Krišjānis ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv