Re: [OSM-talk-be] Cycleways tag as oneway=yes ?
Marc Gemis schreef op 12/11/2014 om 5:34: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:36 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: e) the word fuzzy is removed from OSM, at least for routing, that is. Could you be less fuzzy ? :-) and please list the actions one could take to remove fuzzy from OSM? regards m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be Hi, Very interesting. Something that seems easy and used from the early days of OSM is sensitive for personal interpret. Good link: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Cycle_lanes_in_oneway_motor_car_roads image with possible tag next to it. Like it @ André Click FileDownload from OSMBounding Box and you have a OSM.org URL to copypaste down below. I think that's what you're asking. Indeed almost, its the generally view of what I selected for download, but the zoom in link in this examples was de roundabout to point to. @Marc Sorry no German at all. (English, French use of Google translate and other online translators) Frank ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Cycleways tag as oneway=yes ?
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com wrote: Very interesting. Something that seems easy and used from the early days of OSM is sensitive for personal interpret. Good link: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Cycle_lanes_in_ oneway_motor_car_roads image with possible tag next to it. Like it Zit ook in de Benelux preset voor JOSM. Met de letter-cijfer combinatie, zonder beelden evenwel. 'k zou kunnen proberen om die er ook in te stoppen. mvg m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Changed tagging of bus stops of De Lijn/TEC and MIVB/STIB
What are you doing about the stop positions? I noticed that the position from De Lijn is often much worse than the position in OSM. Regards, Sander 2014-11-12 21:18 GMT+01:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: Hi, After a few years of tagging bus stops around Belgium, I noticed we've been doing it wrong... :-) I changed this wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Bus_stops The biggest problem I ran into, was that it seemed easier to use several nodes for the different companies. As long as this was an exception in border areas and Brussels, it didn't matter too much. TEC behaves like 6 different companies each assigning their own refs and now it became commonplace. After a discussion on the German forum I came to the conclusion there is a better way. For consistency I want to change all bus stops in Belgium to this scheme and not only the ones which are near to other stops from different companies. While at this, I want to add network tags, they seem to be important for some applications. Up to now we only mentioned operator. For the past 2 days I've been preparing a dataset with 7 stops, which will probably be reduced to 60k to 65k stops by the time it's ready to be uploaded. Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Changed tagging of bus stops of De Lijn/TEC and MIVB/STIB
I improve(d) the positions of the bus stops where possible. Not everything can be determined from aerial imagery though (the letters B U S and the shelters), so survey by all of us remains necessary and important. Jo 2014-11-12 21:41 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: What are you doing about the stop positions? I noticed that the position from De Lijn is often much worse than the position in OSM. Regards, Sander 2014-11-12 21:18 GMT+01:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: Hi, After a few years of tagging bus stops around Belgium, I noticed we've been doing it wrong... :-) I changed this wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Bus_stops The biggest problem I ran into, was that it seemed easier to use several nodes for the different companies. As long as this was an exception in border areas and Brussels, it didn't matter too much. TEC behaves like 6 different companies each assigning their own refs and now it became commonplace. After a discussion on the German forum I came to the conclusion there is a better way. For consistency I want to change all bus stops in Belgium to this scheme and not only the ones which are near to other stops from different companies. While at this, I want to add network tags, they seem to be important for some applications. Up to now we only mentioned operator. For the past 2 days I've been preparing a dataset with 7 stops, which will probably be reduced to 60k to 65k stops by the time it's ready to be uploaded. Jo ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map US 2015 in New York, NY, June 6-8
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Randy Meech randy.me...@gmail.com wrote: It's that the US org has a demonstrated track record of running large conferences very well, and it seemed like a better partner for this. I'm sure other countries can organize large conferences as well. The location inside the country is more important than the country itself (all large conferences have the same needs). For context, during this submission process the Buenos Aires event didn't post a schedule until the last minute, had sponsorship issues with logos not correct, not up on time, etc. For such issues, I would expect some support from the foundation. To my mind, since OSM is a worlwide project, the SOTM's should play like all international events and should happen around the world, not excluding any one. And like football world cup or olympic games, it should target a kind of continents rotation policy and not exclusively Europe or US (idealy). This conference will be very visible and we can't have stuff like that happening, so we opted for the US group. Visible... in US. This is always the same. The conference is mostly visible in the country where it is organized. Your request and arguments sound a bit too much US centric and will probably hurt a large part of the community. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map US 2015 in New York, NY, June 6-8
On 12/11/2014 03:13, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: They are technically extraterritorial through a treaty agreement with the U.S. government (1). Good luck getting there without a US visa though! Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map US 2015 in New York, NY, June 6-8
I meant that the UN General Assembly Hall is an appropriate venue for a combined Stated of the Map (EU, US, World, etc.). There was such a suggestion. It would be a challenge to fill up this hall with the capacity of 1800+ in any case. If it is a large combined event, it could generate positive international publicity for the project. The UN has got headquarters and large halls in three other cities, - Nairobi, Vienna, and Geneva. So this approach could be continued later in other cities too. And there is still more than enough of time till June to obtain a visa. brgds Oleksiy On 12.11.2014 13:22, SomeoneElse wrote: On 12/11/2014 03:13, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: They are technically extraterritorial through a treaty agreement with the U.S. government (1). Good luck getting there without a US visa though! Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Location SOTM 2015?
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de wrote: Hello, as I didn't read anything about it: was there an announcement about the location for the 2015 SOTM at the 2014 SOTM Buenos Aires? IIRC there was a statement about the intention to announce the 2015 locataion there... The Waiting (is the hardest part) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMyCa35_mOg$t=0m14s :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] State of the Map US 2015 in New York, NY, June 6-8
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Oleksiy Muzalyev oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch wrote: It would be a challenge to fill up this hall with the capacity of 1800+ in any case. If it is a large combined event, it could generate positive international publicity for the project. Our proposal said 1,200, but because of a large balcony area it can have 800 attendees without feeling empty. Since DC last year was 500-600, I think we can hit at least 800. Pic: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2o6kn0apqsj9rdi/2014-09-19%2009.55.05.jpg?dl=0 The UN has got headquarters and large halls in three other cities, - Nairobi, Vienna, and Geneva. So this approach could be continued later in other cities too. Sounds great -- we can make introductions when ready! And there is still more than enough of time till June to obtain a visa. Yes! Right now we're raising money for scholarships -- the proposal had 80 total and 50 international. We wanted to leave enough time to get visas. -Randy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map US 2015 in New York, NY, June 6-8
Hello there, At the beginning that this discussion, I guessed it could turn sour rather quickly. Let's just say that, as a mere contributor, I would just not understand if NYC were attributed the SOTM 2015 whithout having submitting an official request that would be considered on the same level as all other proposals. I would disaprove any shortcut, UN or not UN. After the saga of the OSMF Board, I guess a second such epic situation would do no good to the contributor community. JB. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map US 2015 in New York, NY, June 6-8
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de wrote: I personally have a somehow different opinion: 2014 was in (South) America, so why host the next SOTM again relativeley close to there (from the viewpoint of an European)? OK, the UN is prestigious location for such a meeting. But I would prefer more to have the SOTM circulating the globe... Last year's SotM was in Birmingham and the year before that was in Tokyo. The distance from Tokyo to Birmingham is about 9,500 km. On the other hand, the distance from Buenos Aires to New York is a comparable 8,500 km. So I wouldn't say that having SotM be in New York after Buenos Aires is relatively close. Also remember that the first 4 SotMs were all in Europe. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map US 2015 in New York, NY, June 6-8
Hi JB, all, 2014-11-12 16:02 GMT+01:00 JB jb...@mailoo.org: Hello there, At the beginning that this discussion, I guessed it could turn sour rather quickly. Let's just say that, as a mere contributor, I would just not understand if NYC were attributed the SOTM 2015 whithout having submitting an official request that would be considered on the same level as all other proposals. I would disaprove any shortcut, UN or not UN. +1 After the saga of the OSMF Board, I guess a second such epic situation would do no good to the contributor community. +1 -- ## Manfred ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map US 2015 in New York, NY, June 6-8
On 12.11.2014 17:52, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de mailto:michaelk_...@gmx.de wrote: But I would prefer more to have the SOTM circulating the globe... So I wouldn't say that having SotM be in New York after Buenos Aires is relatively close. I don't measure close always in numbers, but in regions/continets. Also remember that the first 4 SotMs were all in Europe. maybe because the very biggest part of the community was located there and the local community was willing to organize a SOTM? To make it clear: I was not involved in the organisation of these conferences neither the decission process for the location (and I am not at all aware which criteria have been used in the decision process). But what I really would like to see is that teh SOTM is going around the continets = Africa would be very fine. Although: the was no bid for... Cheers, Michael. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map US 2015 in New York, NY, June 6-8
Hi Pieren, Randy, all, 2014-11-12 11:14 GMT+01:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Randy Meech randy.me...@gmail.com wrote: It's that the US org has a demonstrated track record of running large conferences very well, and it seemed like a better partner for this. I'm sure other countries can organize large conferences as well. The location inside the country is more important than the country itself (all large conferences have the same needs). +1 For context, during this submission process the Buenos Aires event didn't post a schedule until the last minute, had sponsorship issues with logos not correct, not up on time, etc. For such issues, I would expect some support from the foundation. To my mind, since OSM is a worlwide project, the SOTM's should play like all international events and should happen around the world, not excluding any one. And like football world cup or olympic games, it should target a kind of continents rotation policy and not exclusively Europe or US (idealy). +1 This conference will be very visible and we can't have stuff like that happening, so we opted for the US group. Visible... in US. This is always the same. The conference is mostly visible in the country where it is organized. Your request and arguments sound a bit too much US centric and will probably hurt a large part of the community. Yes, IMHO we could have the chance for a great visibilty, but I can not see the NY bid here anymore ... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2015/Call_for_venues/Toronto,_Canada it was there, but withdrawn, so it is pointless to discuss about SoTM 2105 in NY. -- ## Manfred ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
To compare an alternative: A live service could look up the relationship in real time as a person clicked. Meaning you could make a map with the wikidata feature, without adding anything to OSM. Is simply using OSM as a cache for the output of a script that can be run later? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Townlands map scan request
On 12 November 2014 11:18, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: Could I have: 20/25 SE NE and SW http://mapwarper.net/maps?field=titlequery=IRL-GSGS-3906-20-25show_warped=0 23/27 NE and SE http://mapwarper.net/maps?field=titlequery=IRL-GSGS-3906-23-27show_warped=0 Hmm - I cant seem to find IRL-GSGS-3906-23-27-SE I'll see if I have it elsewhere D ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
[Talk-br] Situação das Traduções - Edição 9
Olá, O Tasking Manager chegou a 100%, parabéns aos envolvidos! Adicionei um diff para a tradução do Taginfo, já que não existe um indicador direto do percentual de tradução, como informou o John. O iD deve estar com bastante coisas novas, pois sua tradução baixou um 15%. Adicionei a tradução do OsmAnd à lista, mas ela é em Português de Portugal. Se alguém conseguir criar uma pt-br, me avise. Abraços! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- *HOT Tasking Manager - 100%* *https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/osm-tasking-manager2/ https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/osm-tasking-manager2/* *ID - presets - 98%* https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/id-editor/resource/presets *ID - core - 85%* https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/id-editor/resource/core *JOSM - 99,2%* https://translations.launchpad.net/josm/trunk/+pots/josm/pt_BR/+details *OSMAnd - 92,2%* *https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/osmand/main/pt/ https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/osmand/main/pt/* Keepright - 100% https://translations.launchpad.net/keepright/trunk/+pots/keepright/pt_BR/+details *Merkaator - 93%* https://translations.launchpad.net/merkaartor/trunk/+pots/merkaartor/pt_BR/+details Merkaator (templates) - 100% https://translations.launchpad.net/merkaartor/trunk/+pots/templates/pt_BR/+details *Overpass Turbo - 84%* https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/overpass-turbo *Taginfo - Incompleta* https://github.com/joto/taginfo/blob/master/web/i18n/pt.yml diff: http://www.diffnow.com/?report=469sk Site do OpenStreetMap - 100% http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:MessageGroupStatsgroup=out-osm-site *GraphHopper - Incompleta* http://bit.ly/1CM61na CheckAutopista https://github.com/k1wiosm/checkautopista/blob/master/lang/translations.js#L112 ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Situação das Traduções - Edição 9
Dia desses eu tinha lido: agora tem Camada de Fotos (Mapillary). 2014-11-12 16:24 GMT-03:00 John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com: Parece que eles estão incluindo no editor iD uma funcionalidade de filtros para não mostrar dados que não são relevantes para o editor. Engraçado que ontem mesmo eu verifiquei se tinha algo pra traduzir no iD-core e não tinha. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] Suche Ansprechpartner und Lösungsvorschlag (elotse)
Hallo Georg, danke für den privaten Mailwechsel. Ich bin inzwischen auch an der gleichen Stelle gelandet. ... denn von dem Network-Vorschlag halte ich persönlich für nicht optimal (Änderung eines Verwendungszweckes eines Tag's, müsste auch erst ausführlich diskutiert werden). Es mag sein, dass network=* nicht so optimal ist, aber mir fällt momentan auch nichts besseres ein. Bei der Analyse der network-Werteverteilung [1] findet man jedoch so ein wohlgeordnetes kreatives Chaos, dass es auf ein network=eBusinesslotse eigentlich auch nicht mehr ankommt. Ziel dieser wie auch immer aussehenden Kennzeichnung soll sein, die dezentral eingegebenen Daten für eine App einzusammeln. Das könnte man prinzipiell auch über die Auswertung des Anfangs des Name-Tags bei einer einheitlichen Namensgebung machen, aber ich finde eine eigene key/value Kombination dennoch besser. Sollte jemand eine optimalere Lösung anstatt network=eBusinesslotse haben, dann möge er seinen Vorschlag hier bitte präsentieren. Für den ganzen Rest wie Rolle, Profil, Events, ... habe ich eine Idee ähnlich des von Georg erwähnten Meshings außerhalb von OSM. Dies werde ich im Laufe der Woche mit den Lotsen diskutieren. Am Rande sei erwähnt, dass der Erfinder des umstrittenen Taggings bereits seit 6 Jahren aktiver Mapper ist und hier jetzt vermutlich zum ersten Mal so richtig angeeckt ist. Persönlich sehe ich die Lotsen nach Beilegung der Meinungsverschiedenheiten durchaus als Multiplikatoren für OSM. Sie können dann die Hilfesuchen bei Bedarf auch darüber informieren, was man bei OSM besser nicht machen sollte ;-) [1] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/network#values Grüße Joachim ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neues Feature auf OSM: Changeset-Diskussion
On 12.11.2014 00:00, Peter Barth wrote: Außerdem wäre allgemein noch ein Feed für Changesetkommentare in meiner Umgebung interessant. Ich will mich ja nicht für jeden Changeset in meiner Umgebung extra subscriben ;) Ich wollte jetzt grade http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/ vorschlagen bis mir auffiel das Du was ganz anderes meinst Irgendwie brauchen wir griffigere Begriffe um zwischen dem ursprünglichen Changeset-Kommentar des Autors und späteren Kommentaren zum Changeset besser unterscheiden zu können :o -- hartmut ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neues Feature auf OSM: Changeset-Diskussion
Peter Barth wrote on 12.11.2014 00:00: Frederik Ramm schrieb: Das ganze ist das Resultat eines Google Summer of Code-Projekts und wurde von Lukasz Gurdek, einem Studenten aus Polen, implementiert. Mentor in dem Projekt war Serge Wroclawski. Eine Kleinigkeit gibts aber, die ich derzeit doof finde: Man ist nur für die eigenen *neuen* Changesets registriert aber nicht für schon bestehende. Könnte man das noch ändern? An wen wende ich mich dafür am besten? Ist schon gemeldet: https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/823 tomhughes schrieb dazu: I'm quite happy to add the necessary records, but I'd rather wait until we've expanded the RAID array on the slave server as space is a bit tight at the moment. Es müssen halt für alle existierenden changesets subscription einträge generiert werden. Außerdem wäre allgemein noch ein Feed für Changesetkommentare in meiner Umgebung interessant. Ich will mich ja nicht für jeden Changeset in meiner Umgebung extra subscriben ;) Auch schon bekannt: https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/826 und der Antwort des website maintainers This will only really work once we have a way of filtering changesets by bbox though ;-) -- Grüße Holger ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Suche Ansprechpartner und Lösungsvorschlag (elotse)
Am 11. November 2014 16:06 schrieb Andreas Neumann andr-neum...@gmx.net: Nun ist ebusiness als Wert beim Office-Tag eingefügt worden. tags bitte auf Englisch und ohne Abkürzungen, m.E. electronic_business oder evtl. e_business oder e-business Gruß, Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Suche Ansprechpartner und Lösungsvorschlag (elotse)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 12.11.2014 um 01:54 schrieb Stephan Knauss: Ich habe nicht recherchiert wer dieser Andreas eigentlich ist, aber der Kommentar einen Tag zu löschen falls er nicht binnen Frist im Wiki dokumentiert (und vorher abgestimmt ist) zeigt doch ein größeres Defizit im Verständnis wie das Tagging bei OSM funktioniert. Das ist natürlich immer die beste Basis: Ohne Kenntnis urteilen. ;) Ich denke es würde auch nicht auf deine Gegenliebe stoßen wenn ich absofort highway=Autobahn verwende und auf diesem Wert an diesem Objekt bestehen würde ;) Wenn es ein etabliertes Tagging für etwas gibt, dann soll dies benutzt werden. Ansonsten sollte man zumindest eine Diskussion anstoßen, welches tagging sinnvoll wäre. Henning -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUY7mAAAoJEKXggIeC16WPa4wH/RGMq91nt2Qjwo3ui3uC6eTI fp5ykolDZQm3JUig0yJsmCd/Br/Yr9DIAnpsCK7W5CyJnQ3Se7Dsv2rDWTCW39Yn IybDRGBEYTBtdYnBPx9HxczIgYp99yhaZ/5NNFhd7kVVf8/uw/2ugn5cvE3uI4DE WTDhLAErYtJQYPRNxFUEwHJ895Uvowr5KnWKDoajlpNssKm7ZQ8xUZlKcyoBVvqz jemrp0OmJKpvbKVtUMnyAY9cc8+0n2plRi34lDID6dPSi3MmjNkRLFixpZAMKcWb m18PFzFmAXBuiBem4loZK68RAhftaYHXmw2yUuh6zNlUf+RzOjNLxCW1rRhr36c= =9mCw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-it] Fwd: Invito 22 novembre formazione networking Il Mappathon di Piemonte Visual Contest
Ciao a tutti, scusate il cross-posting . inoltro questa mail per chi non ne fosse a conoscenza. Potrebbe essere un'occasione per richiedere la pubblicazione di temi di interesse per OSM e il Contest ... Ciao Cesare Cesare Gerbino http://cesaregerbino.wordpress.com/ http://www.facebook.com/cesare.gerbino http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cesare-Gerbino-GIS-Blog/246234455498174?ref=hl https://twitter.com/CesareGerbino http://www.linkedin.com/pub/cesare-gerbino/56/494/77b -- Messaggio inoltrato -- Da: Piemonte Visual Contest cont...@cr.piemonte.it Date: 11 novembre 2014 17:28 Oggetto: Invito 22 novembre formazione networking Il Mappathon di Piemonte Visual Contest A: Cesare cesare.gerb...@gmail.com *Sabato 22 novembre* alle *ore 15.30* presso *Toolbox Coworking http://piemontevisualcontest.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=cf8ce39a6d38c955012156f0cid=867ca5af13e=f209422552* a Torino vi invitiamo a partecipare a un pomeriggio di *formazione networking *dedicato ad approfondire temi e tools per candidare un proprio progetto al Mappathon di Piemonte Visual Contest. La prima parte dell’incontro (*talking*) illustra quali open data regionali sono disponibili e offre idee su cosa mappare; la seconda parte prevede un *workshop di formazione all’uso di OpenStreetMap*: mappers esperti spiegano come raccogliere e implementare i dati, quali tool e servizi utilizzare, come realizzare mashup con altre fonti. Chi è *in cerca di un gruppo di lavoro*, può cogliere l’occasione del momento aperitivo networking. Programma completo su *www.piemontevisualcontest.eu/workshop http://piemontevisualcontest.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=cf8ce39a6d38c955012156f0cid=e96b9a2e92e=f209422552* Vi aspettiamo! Il team di Piemonte Visual Contest http://piemontevisualcontest.us9.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=cf8ce39a6d38c955012156f0cid=1218f47d7fe=f209422552 Per la parte di formazione su OSM è consigliato portare il proprio PC *Per maggiori informazioni:* cont...@cr.piemonte.it cont...@cr.piemonte.it?subject=Informazione%20Mappathon%20-%20Evento%2022%20novembre unsubscribe from this list http://piemontevisualcontest.us9.list-manage.com/unsubscribe?u=cf8ce39a6d38c955012156f0cid=89305b0c8be=f209422552c=55527cd719 update subscription preferences http://piemontevisualcontest.us9.list-manage1.com/profile?u=cf8ce39a6d38c955012156f0cid=89305b0c8be=f209422552 This email was sent to cesare.gerb...@gmail.com *why did I get this?* http://piemontevisualcontest.us9.list-manage1.com/about?u=cf8ce39a6d38c955012156f0cid=89305b0c8be=f209422552c=55527cd719 unsubscribe from this list http://piemontevisualcontest.us9.list-manage.com/unsubscribe?u=cf8ce39a6d38c955012156f0cid=89305b0c8be=f209422552c=55527cd719 update subscription preferences http://piemontevisualcontest.us9.list-manage1.com/profile?u=cf8ce39a6d38c955012156f0cid=89305b0c8be=f209422552 Piemonte Visual Contest · Via Alfieri 15 · Torino, TO 10121 · Italy [image: Email Marketing Powered by MailChimp] http://www.mailchimp.com/monkey-rewards/?utm_source=freemium_newsletterutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=monkey_rewardsaid=cf8ce39a6d38c955012156f0cafl=1 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: Invito 22 novembre formazione networking Il Mappathon di Piemonte Visual Contest
Dovrei riuscire a venire. Mi iscrivo nei giorni prossimi. Il 11/12/2014 09:17 AM, cesare gerbino ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, scusate il cross-posting . inoltro questa mail per chi non ne fosse a conoscenza. Potrebbe essere un'occasione per richiedere la pubblicazione di temi di interesse per OSM e il Contest ... Ciao Cesare Cesare Gerbino http://cesaregerbino.wordpress.com/ http://www.facebook.com/cesare.gerbino http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cesare-Gerbino-GIS-Blog/246234455498174?ref=hl https://twitter.com/CesareGerbino http://www.linkedin.com/pub/cesare-gerbino/56/494/77b -- Messaggio inoltrato -- Da: *Piemonte Visual Contest* cont...@cr.piemonte.it mailto:cont...@cr.piemonte.it Date: 11 novembre 2014 17:28 Oggetto: Invito 22 novembre formazione networking Il Mappathon di Piemonte Visual Contest A: Cesare cesare.gerb...@gmail.com mailto:cesare.gerb...@gmail.com *Sabato 22 novembre* alle *ore 15.30* presso *Toolbox Coworking http://piemontevisualcontest.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=cf8ce39a6d38c955012156f0cid=867ca5af13e=f209422552* a Torino vi invitiamo a partecipare a un pomeriggio di *formazione networking *dedicato ad approfondire temi e tools per candidare un proprio progetto al Mappathon di Piemonte Visual Contest. La prima parte dell’incontro (*talking*) illustra quali open data regionali sono disponibili e offre idee su cosa mappare; la seconda parte prevede un *workshop di formazione all’uso di OpenStreetMap*: mappers esperti spiegano come raccogliere e implementare i dati, quali tool e servizi utilizzare, come realizzare mashup con altre fonti. Chi è *in cerca di un gruppo di lavoro*, può cogliere l’occasione del momento aperitivo networking. Programma completo su *www.piemontevisualcontest.eu/workshop http://piemontevisualcontest.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=cf8ce39a6d38c955012156f0cid=e96b9a2e92e=f209422552* Vi aspettiamo! Il team di Piemonte Visual Contest http://piemontevisualcontest.us9.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=cf8ce39a6d38c955012156f0cid=1218f47d7fe=f209422552 Per la parte di formazione su OSM è consigliato portare il proprio PC *Per maggiori informazioni:*cont...@cr.piemonte.it mailto:cont...@cr.piemonte.it?subject=Informazione%20Mappathon%20-%20Evento%2022%20novembre unsubscribe from this list http://piemontevisualcontest.us9.list-manage.com/unsubscribe?u=cf8ce39a6d38c955012156f0cid=89305b0c8be=f209422552c=55527cd719update subscription preferences http://piemontevisualcontest.us9.list-manage1.com/profile?u=cf8ce39a6d38c955012156f0cid=89305b0c8be=f209422552 This email was sent to cesare.gerb...@gmail.com mailto:cesare.gerb...@gmail.com /why did I get this?/ http://piemontevisualcontest.us9.list-manage1.com/about?u=cf8ce39a6d38c955012156f0cid=89305b0c8be=f209422552c=55527cd719 unsubscribe from this list http://piemontevisualcontest.us9.list-manage.com/unsubscribe?u=cf8ce39a6d38c955012156f0cid=89305b0c8be=f209422552c=55527cd719 update subscription preferences http://piemontevisualcontest.us9.list-manage1.com/profile?u=cf8ce39a6d38c955012156f0cid=89305b0c8be=f209422552 Piemonte Visual Contest · Via Alfieri 15 · Torino, TO 10121 · Italy Email Marketing Powered by MailChimp http://www.mailchimp.com/monkey-rewards/?utm_source=freemium_newsletterutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=monkey_rewardsaid=cf8ce39a6d38c955012156f0cafl=1 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Gianluca Boero ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] audio georeferenziato... ma SENZA smartphone?
On 2014-11-10 10:23, Volker Schmidt wrote: Qualcuno può darmi consigli come registrare messaggi audio georeferenziati per uso in JOSM. buongiorno, vorrei spostare l'interessante discussione seguita a questa richiesta (anche) in un'altra direzione. Anch'io voglio fare la STESSA identica cosa ma... in escursioni a piedi, magari di diversi giorni, sarebbe molto, ma proprio molto molto meglio del tenere sempre acceso o anche solo in stand-by qualsiasi smartphone solo per questo: avere un micro-registratore separato, che consumi molto meno, sia molto più piccolo, possa stare attaccato allo spallaccio dello zaino e vada a batterie AAA, che trovi di sicuro anche nel più perso paesello di montagna in caso di imprevisti. Anni fa avevo chiesto informazioni su una cosa del genere, ma senza successo: http://strider.zona-m.net/2011/02/vgps-900-a-nice-little-gps-logger-for-backpacking-with-one-big-limit Rimango comunque convinto che audio georeferenziato in escursione è cosa ottima, ma senza i limiti di uno smartphone. E dovrebbe costare molto meno di una microcamera da mettersi in testa, che comunque non saprei che farci (preferisco le foto di una fotocamera vera). Conoscete qualcosa del genere? Oggi poi, forse, sarebbe anche possibile e molto divertente farsi qualcosa del genere con Arduino, spendendo poco. Idee, consigli, link? grazie, Marco -- http://mfioretti.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Differenza tra barrier=entrance ed entrance=yes
Che differenza c'è tra barrier=entrance ed entrance=yes ? Nel mio caso devo aggiungere le porte di un edificio pubblico http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dentrance http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:entrance ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] audio georeferenziato... ma SENZA smartphone?
Il 12/11/2014 11:19, M. Fioretti ha scritto: ... avere un micro-registratore separato, che consumi molto meno, sia molto più piccolo, ... La soluzione esiste ed è molto semplice! Ingredienti: - un GPS o un datalogger - un registratore audio - l'uso dell'editor Josm col plugin audio Io nelle lunghe escursioni ho il mio fedele datalogger fissato sullo spallaccio dello zaino e in tasca un lettore MP3/registratore audio; all'avvio della registrazione audio faccio coincidere il primo POI (detto anche waypoint) del datalogger, ogni volta che pigio il tasto di registrazione di un POI scandisco il commento nel registratore. Il registratore è quindi in registrazione continua e nella traccia audio ci sarà ogni tanto un commento. Arrivato a casa carico la traccia GPX su Jsom; seleziono (nella finestra livelli) la traccia GPX e clicco col tasto destro del mouse; seleziono dal menù che appare importa l'audio. A questo punto accanto ad ogni POI apparirà un piccolo fumetto che, quando cliccato, farà partire l'audio corrispondete all'attimo in cui si è preso il POI. Variante: se l'escursione dura molti giorni e i POI sono molto distanziati allora accendo e spengo il registratore, in tal caso registro un file audio ad ogni POI per ascoltarli in sequenza con un lettore audio esterno a Josm (in questo caso un consiglio: ogni 3 o 4 tracce audio scandisci anche l'ora, a me una volta è capitato di non pigiare bene il tastino di registrazione e di non capire più l'audio a quale POI si riferisse :-( ). E se volessi importare le foto come ausilio alla mappatura? No problem! Dallo stesso menù che appare cliccando col tasto destro sulla traccia GPX abbiamo anche Importa immagini, ovviamente l'ora della fotocamera dovrà essere precisa; se non sono sicuro di ciò, scatto la prima foto alla mia mano mentre pigia il tasto per registrare il primo POI: in quel modo il menù di Josm mi permetterà di sincronizzare l'ora di tutte le foto basandosi sulla prima. Al posto del fumetto vedrai una miniatura della foto, cliccandoci sopra la foto si ingrandisce. Variante: usare la App Mapillary (se avete uno smarphone): così fotomappate il mondo e potete usare le foto come ausilio alla mappatura usando l'editor on-line ID. Happy Mapping Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Josm e nodi collegati
Ciao, nelle precedenti versioni di Josm riuscivo ad avere dei bei nodi, in corrispondenza delle giunzioni delle vie con dei bei quadrati grandi che mi facevano cogliere subito se le vie erano intersecate con giunzione o meno però ora non riesco più a configurare la visualizzazione in modo soddisfacente. Qualcuno ha idea su come fare? In pratica i nodi con giunzione somigliano troppo a quelli senza giunzione. Ciao, Mirco -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Josm-e-nodi-collegati-tp5824075.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] utilizzare osmfilter
Ciao a tutti, sto provando ad estrarre dati da un file osm utilizzando osmfilter. Vorrei ottenere le capitali dell'europa, ho eseguito questo comando osmfilter europe-latest.o5m --keep-nodes=capital=yes and admin_level=2 -o=europe_capital.osm ma mi ha creato un file osm da più di 200GB. Devo aggiungere qualche altro parametro? -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] audio georeferenziato... ma SENZA smartphone?
On 2014-11-12 11:46, Alessandro wrote: Il 12/11/2014 11:19, M. Fioretti ha scritto: ... avere un micro-registratore separato, che consumi molto meno, sia molto più piccolo, ... La soluzione esiste ed è molto semplice! certo che esiste, lo sapevo già. Ma non è certo ottimale, non nel senso che serve a me almeno: se avessi GIA' un datalogger e/o un miniregistratore avrebbe senso, ma dovendo comprare tutto da zero vorrei un solo oggetto, non 2, con batteria facilmente sostituibile ovunque, meno post processing, garanzia che se registro l'ora verrà scritta da qualche parte anche se dimentico di dirla... Marco -- http://mfioretti.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] wami
mi piace molto la loro soluzione... continuo a non capire perché non espongano le voci di wikipedia ;-) Il giorno 11 novembre 2014 12:13, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha scritto: 2014-11-11 12:01 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-11-11 11:09 GMT+01:00 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com: mi hanno chiesto un feedback sui loro prodotti, li trovate anche su twitter: https://twitter.com/wamiguides gli avevo scritto all'inizio di Luglio e c'era uno scambio di qualche mail, perché c'era un problema di attribuzione, hanno risolto nel frattempo? a me sembra tutto a posto, sia mobile che sul web. -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- luca corsato luc...@gmail.com @lucacorsato fb luca.corsato skype luc0rs www.lucacorsato.it +39 3339187853 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] audio georeferenziato... ma SENZA smartphone?
Il 12/11/2014 12:58, M. Fioretti ha scritto: certo che esiste, lo sapevo già. Ma non è certo ottimale, non nel senso che serve a me almeno: se avessi GIA' un datalogger e/o un miniregistratore avrebbe senso, ma dovendo comprare tutto da zero vorrei un solo oggetto Anch'io 3 mesi fa ero alla ricerca di un prodotto simile ma dopo varie ricerche ho acquistato (per la terza volta) un datalogger BT747A (59,90€ spedizione compresa). Quello che si avvicina di più alle tue richieste è il Columbus V-990, io l'ho scartato perchè non ha la batteria sostituibile (e ha autonomia inferiore al 747). Di buono ha che registra l'audio e ha lo slot per la microUsb. Per contro il 747 registra più di 200.00 punti; ha autonomia di quasi 30 ore e la batteria è identica al alcuni cellulari Nokia (se ne vuoi una di riserva la trovi quasi ovunque da 12€ in sù); ha un'ottima precisione per essere un datalogger minuscolo; funge contemporaneamente da datalogger che da gps bluetooth. Se trovi qualche prodotto che ti sembra valido scrivilo in lista, sono informazioni che vengono sempre bene (io in 7 anni ho acquistato 6 GPS :) ). Alessandro ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] utilizzare osmfilter
Il 12/11/2014 12:45, Luca Delucchi ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, sto provando ad estrarre dati da un file osm utilizzando osmfilter. Vorrei ottenere le capitali dell'europa, ho eseguito questo comando osmfilter europe-latest.o5m --keep-nodes=capital=yes and admin_level=2 -o=europe_capital.osm ma mi ha creato un file osm da più di 200GB. Devo aggiungere qualche altro parametro? Ciao Luca! Magari lo fa di default, ma hai provato a droppare le eventuali relations che si portano dietro le capitali? Prova ad aggiungere --drop-ways --drop-relations e male non gli fai Alessandro ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Differenza tra barrier=entrance ed entrance=yes
Come scritto nel wiki barrier=entrance è solo un buco in una recinzione (in particolare non è un cancello, non è una porta, ecc...) Il tag entrance=* invece indica il punto di ingresso (tipicamente in un edificio, tipicamente chiuso da una porta). Nel caso classico dell'ingresso di un edificio sicuramente metti entrance=* (specificando se possibile il tipo: main, service, ...) Soprattutto se l'edificio è molto grande ci possono essere anche più ingressi principali. Se conosci bene la zona aggiungi anche altre informazioni (accesso in carrozzina, numeri civici, se di dimensioni particolari potrebbe essere utile mappare altezza e larghezza della porta, ...) Buon mapping! 2014-11-12 11:29 GMT+01:00 Germano Massullo germano.massu...@gmail.com: Che differenza c'è tra barrier=entrance ed entrance=yes ? Nel mio caso devo aggiungere le porte di un edificio pubblico http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dentrance http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:entrance ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] wami
Bella esecution. Sono diretti concorrenti di ma2app che peró usa le mappe della concorrenza. B. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Josm e nodi collegati
-Original Message- From: mircozorzo [mailto:mircozo...@inwind.it] Sent: mercoledì 12 novembre 2014 11:59 To: talk-it@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-it] Josm e nodi collegati Ciao, nelle precedenti versioni di Josm riuscivo ad avere dei bei nodi, in corrispondenza delle giunzioni delle vie con dei bei quadrati grandi che mi facevano cogliere subito se le vie erano intersecate con giunzione o meno però ora non riesco più a configurare la visualizzazione in modo soddisfacente. Qualcuno ha idea su come fare? In pratica i nodi con giunzione somigliano troppo a quelli senza giunzione. Fai questa prova: - richiama il pannello Map Pant Styles (shortcut Alt+Shift+M) - nel pannello, clicca con il tasto destro sulla voce JOSM default (MapCSS) - dal menu seleziona Style settings e deseleziona Less obtrusive node symbols at low zoom Così ti mostra tutti i nodi un po' più grossi, ed è più facile distinguere quelli di giunzione. Ciao, Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] utilizzare osmfilter
2014-11-12 14:12 GMT+01:00 Alessandro ale_z...@libero.it: Ciao Luca! Magari lo fa di default, ma hai provato a droppare le eventuali relations che si portano dietro le capitali? Prova ad aggiungere --drop-ways --drop-relations e male non gli fai +1, ci sono 29 relazioni con capital=yes, se quelli vengono considerati (forse anche con tutti i figli ecc. in maniera recursiva), potrei imaginare che arrivi a tanto (200 GB mi sembra comunque tantissimo). ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] utilizzare osmfilter
Ciao Il giorno 12 novembre 2014 12:45, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha scritto: sto provando ad estrarre dati da un file osm utilizzando osmfilter. Vorrei ottenere le capitali dell'europa, ho eseguito questo comando osmfilter europe-latest.o5m --keep-nodes=capital=yes and admin_level=2 -o=europe_capital.osm ma mi ha creato un file osm da più di 200GB. Devo aggiungere qualche altro parametro? Devi dirgli esplicitamente che non ti interessano ways e relations, lasciando i parametri vuoti: osmfilter europe-latest.o5m --keep-nodes=capital=yes and admin_level=2 --keep-ways= --keep-relations= -o=europe_capital.osm http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmfilter#Keep_specific_Object_Type Ciao, Simone F. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Josm e nodi collegati
Grazie della risposta, era quello che cercavo. Ora va meglio però vorrei i nodi connessi più grandi e mi ricordo che cambiando, mi sembra, questo parametro mappaint.node.connection-size 20 funzionava, un tempo. Adesso sono vecchio e o non mi accorgo che la dimensione aumenta oppure anche se vario il valore del parametro i nodi rimangono uguali. Ciao, Mirco -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Josm-e-nodi-collegati-tp5824075p5824157.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Josm e nodi collegati
Ho capito ho fatto delle prove: il problema è nello stile, cambiando stile (non MapCss quello predefinito) ma Illuminazione o Segnaletica limiti di velocità il parametro della dimensione dei nodi connessi funziona come mi aspetto. Domanda: posso modificare lo stile in modo che funzioni anche con MapCss? Ciao, Mirco -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Josm-e-nodi-collegati-tp5824075p5824158.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-es] Datos de portales de municipio de Madrid
Hola David. No sé si sigues trabajando en el tema de los portales de Madrid. Si es así yo te ofrezco mi web personal para alojar el fichero. Además, aunque se me acumulan las cosas voy intentar echar un ojo a los script que creaste. El 16 de junio de 2014, 22:43, David Marín Carreño dav...@gmail.com escribió: Hola de nuevo. Script corregido y mejorado. Había un error en el proceso de calles con acentos o eñes que ya está solucionado. He hecho que no se exporten los números correspondientes a solares, parques o jardines. Los números correspondientes a «fachadas» se exportan con una nota indicándolo. Por lo que he visto en el barrio que estoy trabajando, los números de fachadas suelen corresponderse a locales comerciales, por lo que creo que es buena idea mantenerlos. Sin embargo hay algunos que no tienen reflejo físico alguno, y esos, quizá, habría que eliminarlos. Me gustaría alojar el script php con su fichero de base de datos de más de cien megas. ¿Algún lugar donde pueda instalar esto? Gracias. Un cordial saludo El 16/06/2014 16:17, David Marín Carreño dav...@gmail.com escribió: Hay cosas que aún tengo que mejorar. Por lo que veo, el catálogo incluye también las numeraciones de huecos. Por ejemplo, una calle que es contigua a un parque le asigna numerosos números al parque. Supongo que para si en el futuro el parque deja de serlo y construyen en él... Hay maneras de saberlo mirando una columna de la base de datos, que dice si el número está asignado a un portal, a un garaje, a un parque o jardín, a una fachada... A ver si puedo hoy darle un par de vueltas a esto. Os mantengo informados -- David Marín Carreño dav...@gmail.com Saludo a la NSA que me estará viendo - Best regards to the NSA workers who are reading this mail El 16 de junio de 2014, 15:18, Almorca almo...@gmail.com escribió: Sin haberlo mirado muy a fondo yo lo veo bastante bien. Lo único que quitaría las etiquetas addr:city y addr:country por verlas innecesarias. Esto puede ser un avance muy grande para los GPS que se basan en OSM. El 16 de junio de 2014, 0:49, David Marín Carreño dav...@gmail.com escribió: Hola a todos. He trabajado un poquito más y ya tengo una base de datos sqlite con el fichero de portales de Madrid, y una mini-web en php que permite hacer queries a esta base de datos generando el fichero XML OSM correspondiente. El código de la mini-web está en https://github.com/davefx/osm-callejero-importer La base de datos está en dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i4hd1nibj3roqye/callejero-madrid.sqlite. El fichero de la base de datos debe dejarse en la misma carpeta donde se encuentran el resto de ficheros que conforman la web. He subido ya algunos datos de mi barrio actual: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/40.46261/-3.63051 Los datos que estoy importando son: - addr:city, que es Madrid en todos los casos - addr:country, que es ES en todos los casos - addr:housenumber, con el número - addr:postcode, con el código postal (¡que también viene!) - addr:street, con la calle. ¿Añadimos o quitamos algún tag antes de elevar esto a la lista de imports? La idea sería hacer una importación manual, calle a calle, y mezclar los datos nuevos con los datos viejos en los sitios en los que aplique. Por ejemplo, en la zona con la que he trabajado, he mezclado los nuevos datos con números y sus datos con una oficina de una ONG y un colegio que ya existían en el mapa. ¿Dudas? ¿comentarios? ¿tirones de orejas? -- David Marín Carreño dav...@gmail.com Saludo a la NSA que me estará viendo - Best regards to the NSA workers who are reading this mail El 30 de mayo de 2014, 19:18, Santiago Crespo openstreet...@flanera.net escribió: OᴗO He añadido el portal de datos abiertos del ayuntamiento al wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Spain_Potential_Datasources#Portal_de_Datos_abiertos_del_Ayuntamiento_de_Madrid Y he creado otra página para organizar la importación. Por ahora sólo tiene los enlaces a los conjuntos de datos que he considerado interesantes, sin ordenar: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_Ayuntamiento_Madrid Lo que se me ha ocurrido es hacer una pequeña ficha por cada archivo (cada conjunto de datos puede tener varios archivos) en la que conste: Nombre Descripción Propuesta de importación de cada campo y su etiqueta en OSM Enlaces a los archivos de datos Estas fichas pueden ser una sección en la misma página. ¿Se os ocurre qué más cosas poner en cada ficha? Es un currazo! Si alguien se anima a echar una mano que lo vaya comentando para no repetir el trabajo. Por mi parte hoy lo dejo aquí, otro día haré una primera ficha y un script para convertir los archivos del ayuntamiento a formato XML OSM. Saludos, Santiago Crespo El 30/05/14 12:30, David Marín Carreño escribió: Hola a todos. El otro día descubrí el portal de Open data del Ayuntamiento de Madrid.
Re: [Talk-es] Datos de portales de municipio de Madrid
Hola. Hice alguna importación como prueba de concepto por la zona de Hortaleza, pero poco más. El script ahí está, para quien lo quiera usar. Si te hace falta algo, no dudes en comentarme. El Wed Nov 12 2014 at 15:37:37, Almorca (almo...@gmail.com) escribió: Hola David. No sé si sigues trabajando en el tema de los portales de Madrid. Si es así yo te ofrezco mi web personal para alojar el fichero. Además, aunque se me acumulan las cosas voy intentar echar un ojo a los script que creaste. El 16 de junio de 2014, 22:43, David Marín Carreño dav...@gmail.com escribió: Hola de nuevo. Script corregido y mejorado. Había un error en el proceso de calles con acentos o eñes que ya está solucionado. He hecho que no se exporten los números correspondientes a solares, parques o jardines. Los números correspondientes a «fachadas» se exportan con una nota indicándolo. Por lo que he visto en el barrio que estoy trabajando, los números de fachadas suelen corresponderse a locales comerciales, por lo que creo que es buena idea mantenerlos. Sin embargo hay algunos que no tienen reflejo físico alguno, y esos, quizá, habría que eliminarlos. Me gustaría alojar el script php con su fichero de base de datos de más de cien megas. ¿Algún lugar donde pueda instalar esto? Gracias. Un cordial saludo El 16/06/2014 16:17, David Marín Carreño dav...@gmail.com escribió: Hay cosas que aún tengo que mejorar. Por lo que veo, el catálogo incluye también las numeraciones de huecos. Por ejemplo, una calle que es contigua a un parque le asigna numerosos números al parque. Supongo que para si en el futuro el parque deja de serlo y construyen en él... Hay maneras de saberlo mirando una columna de la base de datos, que dice si el número está asignado a un portal, a un garaje, a un parque o jardín, a una fachada... A ver si puedo hoy darle un par de vueltas a esto. Os mantengo informados -- David Marín Carreño dav...@gmail.com Saludo a la NSA que me estará viendo - Best regards to the NSA workers who are reading this mail El 16 de junio de 2014, 15:18, Almorca almo...@gmail.com escribió: Sin haberlo mirado muy a fondo yo lo veo bastante bien. Lo único que quitaría las etiquetas addr:city y addr:country por verlas innecesarias. Esto puede ser un avance muy grande para los GPS que se basan en OSM. El 16 de junio de 2014, 0:49, David Marín Carreño dav...@gmail.com escribió: Hola a todos. He trabajado un poquito más y ya tengo una base de datos sqlite con el fichero de portales de Madrid, y una mini-web en php que permite hacer queries a esta base de datos generando el fichero XML OSM correspondiente. El código de la mini-web está en https://github.com/davefx/osm-callejero-importer La base de datos está en dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i4hd1nibj3roqye/callejero-madrid.sqlite. El fichero de la base de datos debe dejarse en la misma carpeta donde se encuentran el resto de ficheros que conforman la web. He subido ya algunos datos de mi barrio actual: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/40.46261/-3.63051 Los datos que estoy importando son: - addr:city, que es Madrid en todos los casos - addr:country, que es ES en todos los casos - addr:housenumber, con el número - addr:postcode, con el código postal (¡que también viene!) - addr:street, con la calle. ¿Añadimos o quitamos algún tag antes de elevar esto a la lista de imports? La idea sería hacer una importación manual, calle a calle, y mezclar los datos nuevos con los datos viejos en los sitios en los que aplique. Por ejemplo, en la zona con la que he trabajado, he mezclado los nuevos datos con números y sus datos con una oficina de una ONG y un colegio que ya existían en el mapa. ¿Dudas? ¿comentarios? ¿tirones de orejas? -- David Marín Carreño dav...@gmail.com Saludo a la NSA que me estará viendo - Best regards to the NSA workers who are reading this mail El 30 de mayo de 2014, 19:18, Santiago Crespo openstreet...@flanera.net escribió: OᴗO He añadido el portal de datos abiertos del ayuntamiento al wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Spain_Potential_Datasources#Portal_de_Datos_abiertos_del_Ayuntamiento_de_Madrid Y he creado otra página para organizar la importación. Por ahora sólo tiene los enlaces a los conjuntos de datos que he considerado interesantes, sin ordenar: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_Ayuntamiento_Madrid Lo que se me ha ocurrido es hacer una pequeña ficha por cada archivo (cada conjunto de datos puede tener varios archivos) en la que conste: Nombre Descripción Propuesta de importación de cada campo y su etiqueta en OSM Enlaces a los archivos de datos Estas fichas pueden ser una sección en la misma página. ¿Se os ocurre qué más cosas poner en cada ficha? Es un currazo! Si alguien se anima a echar una mano que lo vaya comentando para no repetir el trabajo. Por mi parte hoy lo dejo aquí, otro día
Re: [Talk-it-trentino] proposta di incontro tra Contributors trentini
2014-11-12 10:38 GMT+01:00 Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com: questa sera dovrei riuscire a liberarmi per le 22:30 o forse un po' prima. Farò comunque un salto all'Uva Menta Café per vedere se qualcuno è ancora lì. secondo me trovi qualcuno, più che altro dovremo prenotare. ci può pensare qualcuno? E' la versione birreria dell'uvamenta, non penso si possa prenotare. -- -S ___ Talk-it-trentino mailing list Talk-it-trentino@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it-trentino
Re: [Talk-it-trentino] proposta di incontro tra Contributors trentini
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 at 10:41 AM From: Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com E' la versione birreria dell'uvamenta, non penso si possa prenotare. L'ho già vista prenotata per altri «gruppi». Più tardi provo a dare un pronto. Vi tengo aggiornati. -- Matteo Quatrida GNU/Linux User #498939 OpenStreetMap Contributor since 2009 «Be GREEN and keep it on your SCREEN!» ___ Talk-it-trentino mailing list Talk-it-trentino@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it-trentino
Re: [Talk-it-trentino] proposta di incontro tra Contributors trentini
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM From: Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com Ah ok, avevo perso Cafè, però ci fanno mangiare perchè se no dopo un po' potrei mangiarmi qualcuno di voi :-) Assieme alle ottime birre, portano sempre da sgranocchiare. Mal che vada, basta prendere una pizza «dietro»! PS. Non so se siano comunicanti... cioè se chiedi una pizza, te la servano stile aperitivo anche al Cafè! -- Matteo Quatrida GNU/Linux User #498939 OpenStreetMap Contributor since 2009 «Be GREEN and keep it on your SCREEN!» ___ Talk-it-trentino mailing list Talk-it-trentino@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it-trentino
Re: [Talk-it-trentino] proposta di incontro tra Contributors trentini
2014-11-12 14:10 GMT+01:00 Matteo Quatrida matteo.quatr...@linuxmail.org: Okay. Ho prenotato alle 20:30 all'Uva Menta Cafè per 8 persone. Preparano i tavoli. Ho detto loro che un paio di persone potrebbero anche mangiare un pasto. *Il tavolo è riservato a nome OSM*. grazie. A più tardi. -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it-trentino mailing list Talk-it-trentino@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it-trentino
[Talk-it-trentino] R: Re: proposta di incontro tra Contributors trentini
Un grazie ancora a Matteo per aver promosso l'incontro di ieri sera.
A breve spero di darvi qualche dettaglio in più in merito al progetto
M(')appare Il Lagorai - Cima d'asta.
Un ciao a tutti
Giorgio
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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM
From: Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com
Ah ok, avevo perso Cafè, però ci fanno mangiare perchè se no dopo un
po' potrei mangiarmi qualcuno di voi :-)
Assieme alle ottime birre, portano sempre da sgranocchiare.
Mal che vada, basta prendere una pizza «dietro»!
PS. Non so se siano comunicanti... cioè se chiedi una pizza, te la servano
stile aperitivo anche al Cafè!
--
Matteo Quatrida
GNU/Linux User #498939
OpenStreetMap Contributor since 2009
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Re: [Talk-ca] canvec release schedule
Well, as far as I know, NRCan have no more projects around OSM community since fall 2012 - no more Canvec in .osm format, no more participation to the talk-ca list. Governmental priorities change and they could eventually get back to the community but, for the moment, I am even surprised the ftp site is running! Hoping for the best Daniel -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:andrew.alli...@teksavvy.com] Sent: November-08-14 15:28 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] canvec release schedule Hello List: I seem to remember that Canvec had a 6 month release schedule for OSM, but the data on the ftp site seams to be about a year and half old. http://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/OSM/pub/042/F/ Now I do see some newer data in: http://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/pub/canvec+/ Is the Canvec data no longer being converted / made available for OSM? Any tidbit of wisdom? Andrew ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-cz] Nová fíčura - kde chybí natrasovat budovy
Ahoj, znova připomínám, že v RÚIANu jsou i budovy, kde byla vedena účelová katastrální mapa, seznam těchto míst vedených již v RÚIANu je zde: http://www.cuzk.cz/Uvod/Produkty-a-sluzby/RUIAN/2-Poskytovani-udaju-RUIAN- ISUI-VDP/Informace-o-uzemni-identifikaci-%281%29/Katastralni-uzemi-s-OMP-V. aspx Dá se předpokládat, že katastrální mapa bude v těchto místech jednou digitální. Avšak tyto budovy lze naimportovat jako dočasné řešení. Několik území jsem již naimportoval, např. Častolovice, Černošice, ... Zdraví Pavel Kwiecien -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Petr Vejsada o...@propsychology.cz Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org Datum: 27. 10. 2014 22:24:55 Předmět: [Talk-cz] Nová fíčura - kde chybí natrasovat budovy Ahoj, tak první fíčura je hledač území, kde chybí natrasovat budovy, http://ruian.poloha.net/budovy . Tabulka poněkud nešikovná, jsou v ní všechna KÚ najednou. A protože se ve městě těžko hledá, kde chybí dům mezi mnoha jinými, je tu vrstvička, která zobrazuje jen takové chybějící domy a jmenuje se budovy- todo, tedy http://tile.poloha.net/budovy-todo/... K vidění na http://ruian.poloha.net . Zkuste při trasování dát pozor, aby to nedělalo víc lidí najednou. Třeba si těsně před uploadem ještě jednou stáhnout nějakou malou část oblasti a přesvědčit se, zda se na místě budovy mezitím neobjevily. -- Petr Dne Po 27. října 2014 00:05:10, xkomc...@centrum.cz napsal(a): Jinak díky za práci, na fíčury se těšíme xkomczax ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz;___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] Nová fíčura - kde chybí natrasovat budovy
Cau, jak postupovat, pokud v RUIAN jsou spatne udaje? Napriklad: Kromeriz - Hanacky namesti, jedna budova je zborena... https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/49.29289/17.39111layers=N Zbylo jen cislo popisne. Smazat cp? Nejaka moznost, jak opravit i na http://ruian.poloha.net/ , aby ostatni nemuseli resit, ze budova podle RUIAN chybi, ale je to spravne? R. Dne 12. listopadu 2014 16:23 Pavel Kwiecien pavel.kwiec...@seznam.cz napsal(a): Ahoj, znova připomínám, že v RÚIANu jsou i budovy, kde byla vedena účelová katastrální mapa, seznam těchto míst vedených již v RÚIANu je zde: http://www.cuzk.cz/Uvod/Produkty-a-sluzby/RUIAN/2-Poskytovani-udaju-RUIAN-ISUI-VDP/Informace-o-uzemni-identifikaci-%281%29/Katastralni-uzemi-s-OMP-V.aspx Dá se předpokládat, že katastrální mapa bude v těchto místech jednou digitální. Avšak tyto budovy lze naimportovat jako *dočasné řešení*. Několik území jsem již naimportoval, např. Častolovice, Černošice, ... Zdraví Pavel Kwiecien -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Petr Vejsada o...@propsychology.cz Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org Datum: 27. 10. 2014 22:24:55 Předmět: [Talk-cz] Nová fíčura - kde chybí natrasovat budovy Ahoj, tak první fíčura je hledač území, kde chybí natrasovat budovy, http://ruian.poloha.net/budovy . Tabulka poněkud nešikovná, jsou v ní všechna KÚ najednou. A protože se ve městě těžko hledá, kde chybí dům mezi mnoha jinými, je tu vrstvička, která zobrazuje jen takové chybějící domy a jmenuje se budovy-todo, tedy http://tile.poloha.net/budovy-todo/... K vidění na http://ruian.poloha.net . Zkuste při trasování dát pozor, aby to nedělalo víc lidí najednou. Třeba si těsně před uploadem ještě jednou stáhnout nějakou malou část oblasti a přesvědčit se, zda se na místě budovy mezitím neobjevily. -- Petr Dne Po 27. října 2014 00:05:10, xkomc...@centrum.cz napsal(a): Jinak díky za práci, na fíčury se těšíme xkomczax ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] Nová fíčura - kde chybí natrasovat budovy
Ahoj, tohle je problém, no. V RUIAN je právní stav, nikoli realita. Pokud majitel ohlásí zbourání budovy, měla by z RUIAN zmizet i s adresou. Pokud to nenahlásí, tak je to blbé. Mohl bych skladovat seznam zbořených či z jiného důvodu neplatných budov a ty by se pak nevykreslovaly ani netrasovaly. Muselo by se vymyslet, jak ty neplatné budovy do seznamu přidávat a taky jak je dát ze seznamu zase pryč. Pryč by se daly automaticky, kdyby z RUIAN budova zmizela, to je jasné. A kdyby se budova znovu postavila a měla stejné RUIAN ID, počet takových případů se bude blížit nule. Nejsi jediný, kdo tento problém zmiňuje (že v RUIAN jsou budovy, které už neexistují). Záleží kolik by takových budov bylo. Kdyby málo, můžu je do seznamu přidávat ručně (insert into ...) - nejjednodušší. Pak se nabízí nějaká webová stránka, kam by je mohl přidávat kdokoli. Ochrana před vandaly a pitomými boty? Jak? Kapča? :( Ideálně autentizace proti OSM serveru, jenže ta se nejspíš nekoná. Našel jsem jen http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Single_sign_on , což vypadá, že OSMF prostě není identity provider :\. Nebo to udělat jako fci Pointinfo, což by měl Marián jistě radost, on má totiž spoustu zbytečného času. Jsou ještě jiné možnosti? Poznámka: jsem provozovatelem poloha.net -- Petr Dne St 12. listopadu 2014 18:00:05, Radek Kuznik napsal(a): Cau, jak postupovat, pokud v RUIAN jsou spatne udaje? Napriklad: Kromeriz - Hanacky namesti, jedna budova je zborena... https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/49.29289/17.39111layers=N Zbylo jen cislo popisne. Smazat cp? Nejaka moznost, jak opravit i na http://ruian.poloha.net/ , aby ostatni nemuseli resit, ze budova podle RUIAN chybi, ale je to spravne? ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
[Talk-cz] Nová fíčura II - landuse/landcover
Ahoj, jak jsem sliboval nové fíčury, tak se to trochu protahuje, protože jsem nezprovoznil Mapnik3 ke své spokojenosti a tak zůstávám u Mapniku2, což znamená větší pracnost, ale jde to. Další vrstvička se jmenuje landuse a je to to, s čím jsem už před měsíci experimentoval. Podařilo se uspokojivě vyřešit problém s paměťovou nenažraností, když jsem se pokoušel seskupit 40mil. parcel podle jejich využití. Při rozdělení republiky do okresů a grupování parcel po okresech se postgre spokojí s přiměřeným množstvím paměti a tak se dá ta vrstva sestavit už za cca 13 hodin, což je v pohodě. (fyi vrstva buildings-todo trvá asi 3.5 hodiny, tak proto není aktualizovaná denně). Rozdělení do okresů způsobuje pak efekt podobný, jako v RUIAN rozdělení do KÚ - na hranici okresů je vše rozříznuté, což ani moc nevadí, viz dále. Vrstvu najdete tam, co ostatní, tedy na tile.poloha.net/landuse/atd., demo na http://ruian.poloha.net Trasování je více méně (spíš více) rozpracované. Docela dobře funguje ve městech třeba na zahrady obytných čtvrtí. Dělal jsem pokusy v a v okolí obce Prušánky v okr. Hodonín, tak je možné si výsledek prohlédnout. Vypadá to, že ve městech by mohlo být dost přesné i trasování cest - silnic. Trochu problém je, že dopravní komunikace se zgrupuje klidně do obrovského polygonu, který teoreticky může pokrýt celý okres :-). V praxi jsou to klidně desetitisíce bodů. Natrasoval jsem v okolí Prušánek i nějaké vinice i pole. Dělal jsem to s neustálou kontrolou podle foto, tak to snad není úplně špatně. Jinak se to na trasování polí příliš nehodí; může to být dost mimo realitu. No koho to zajímá, může si vrstvu prohlédnout a opřipomínkovat či přijít s nápady. -- Petr ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] Nová fíčura - kde chybí natrasovat budovy
Ahoj, -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Petr Vejsada o...@propsychology.cz Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org Datum: 12. 11. 2014 23:40:54 Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Nová fíčura - kde chybí natrasovat budovy Ahoj, tohle je problém, no. V RUIAN je právní stav, nikoli realita. Pokud majitel ohlásí zbourání budovy, měla by z RUIAN zmizet i s adresou. Pokud to nenahlásí, tak je to blbé. Mohl bych skladovat seznam zbořených či z jiného důvodu neplatných budov a ty by se pak nevykreslovaly ani netrasovaly. Muselo by se vymyslet, jak ty neplatné budovy do seznamu přidávat a taky jak je dát ze seznamu zase pryč. Pryč by se daly automaticky, kdyby z RUIAN budova zmizela, to je jasné. A kdyby se budova znovu postavila a měla stejné RUIAN ID, počet takových případů se bude blížit nule. Nejsi jediný, kdo tento problém zmiňuje (že v RUIAN jsou budovy, které už neexistují). Záleží kolik by takových budov bylo. Kdyby málo, můžu je do seznamu přidávat ručně (insert into ...) - nejjednodušší. Pak se nabízí nějaká webová stránka, kam by je mohl přidávat kdokoli. Ochrana před vandaly a pitomými boty? Jak? Kapča? :( Ideálně autentizace proti OSM serveru, jenže ta se nejspíš nekoná. Našel jsem jen http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Single_sign_on , což vypadá, že OSMF prostě není identity provider :\. Nebo to udělat jako fci Pointinfo, což by měl Marián jistě radost, on má totiž spoustu zbytečného času. Já už tady něco podobného navrhoval. Stačí projít starší emaily. Nemusel by to být právě PointInfo. Mohl by to být nový doplněk, třeba ReportRuianErrors. Ten by plnil nějakou databázi na poloha.net a ta by jednak sloužila pro účely vykreslování a zároveň by mohla sloužit jako takový mezičlánek mezi uživatelem a ČÚZK, až bude možné hlásit chyby. Měli bychom tak přehled o všech žádostech na ČÚZK a mohli tím zabránit vzniku duplicitních hlášení, byly by možné statistiky, kolik kdo podal žádostí, v jakém jsou stavu a jak byly vyřešeny (opraveno, zamítnuto...) Času sice moc nemám, ale Tracer má teď v parádě Martin Švec (a jde mu to moc dobře, doufám, že se to podaří dodělat a vydat co nejdříve ;-) ), Já hlavně testuji, takže pokud bych dostal nějaký nový impuls, tak není problém nějaký plugin vyvinout. Jen je potřeba se dohodnout, co a jak. Marián Jsou ještě jiné možnosti? Poznámka: jsem provozovatelem poloha.net -- Petr Dne St 12. listopadu 2014 18:00:05, Radek Kuznik napsal(a): Cau, jak postupovat, pokud v RUIAN jsou spatne udaje? Napriklad: Kromeriz - Hanacky namesti, jedna budova je zborena... https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/49.29289/17.39111layers=N Zbylo jen cislo popisne. Smazat cp? Nejaka moznost, jak opravit i na http://ruian.poloha.net/ , aby ostatni nemuseli resit, ze budova podle RUIAN chybi, ale je to spravne? ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz;___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] Nová fíčura - kde chybí natrasovat budovy
Tak jeste by se to dalo resit, ze si udelas vlastni login pro par lidi co na tom delaji (nebo overeni proti google nebo openID). Treba kdyz se podivam na Kromeriz, tak je tam toho hodne nedodelaneho. Kdyz jsem par veci zkoumal, tak jsem zjistil, ze je to v poradku. Takto si k tomu sedne bohuzel dalsi clen a zase bude hledat a nic nezjisti :/ Navic to muze nahlasit jedna skupina lidi a pak jen napise, ze je to projito a ostatni muzou natrasovat zbytek (i kdyz neznaji jak to tam presne je). I kdyz nastane, ze by nova budova dostala stejny RUIAN cislo, tak to neni taky takovy problem. Sice bude jako zbourana, ale nekdo mzue nahlasit, ze ta budova uz je zpet a muze se povolit, pripadne zamalovat z katastru. Radek Dne 12. listopadu 2014 23:40 Petr Vejsada o...@propsychology.cz napsal(a): Ahoj, tohle je problém, no. V RUIAN je právní stav, nikoli realita. Pokud majitel ohlásí zbourání budovy, měla by z RUIAN zmizet i s adresou. Pokud to nenahlásí, tak je to blbé. Mohl bych skladovat seznam zbořených či z jiného důvodu neplatných budov a ty by se pak nevykreslovaly ani netrasovaly. Muselo by se vymyslet, jak ty neplatné budovy do seznamu přidávat a taky jak je dát ze seznamu zase pryč. Pryč by se daly automaticky, kdyby z RUIAN budova zmizela, to je jasné. A kdyby se budova znovu postavila a měla stejné RUIAN ID, počet takových případů se bude blížit nule. Nejsi jediný, kdo tento problém zmiňuje (že v RUIAN jsou budovy, které už neexistují). Záleží kolik by takových budov bylo. Kdyby málo, můžu je do seznamu přidávat ručně (insert into ...) - nejjednodušší. Pak se nabízí nějaká webová stránka, kam by je mohl přidávat kdokoli. Ochrana před vandaly a pitomými boty? Jak? Kapča? :( Ideálně autentizace proti OSM serveru, jenže ta se nejspíš nekoná. Našel jsem jen http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Single_sign_on , což vypadá, že OSMF prostě není identity provider :\. Nebo to udělat jako fci Pointinfo, což by měl Marián jistě radost, on má totiž spoustu zbytečného času. Jsou ještě jiné možnosti? Poznámka: jsem provozovatelem poloha.net -- Petr Dne St 12. listopadu 2014 18:00:05, Radek Kuznik napsal(a): Cau, jak postupovat, pokud v RUIAN jsou spatne udaje? Napriklad: Kromeriz - Hanacky namesti, jedna budova je zborena... https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/49.29289/17.39111layers=N Zbylo jen cislo popisne. Smazat cp? Nejaka moznost, jak opravit i na http://ruian.poloha.net/ , aby ostatni nemuseli resit, ze budova podle RUIAN chybi, ale je to spravne? ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] Nová fíčura - kde chybí natrasovat budovy
Nedal by se na autentizaci proti OSM serveru použít OAuth? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OAuth Sice to není přímo identity provider, ale na ověření, zda má uživatel platný OSM login by to IMHO stačilo. TT On Wed Nov 12 2014 at 23:40:55 Petr Vejsada o...@propsychology.cz wrote: Ahoj, tohle je problém, no. V RUIAN je právní stav, nikoli realita. Pokud majitel ohlásí zbourání budovy, měla by z RUIAN zmizet i s adresou. Pokud to nenahlásí, tak je to blbé. Mohl bych skladovat seznam zbořených či z jiného důvodu neplatných budov a ty by se pak nevykreslovaly ani netrasovaly. Muselo by se vymyslet, jak ty neplatné budovy do seznamu přidávat a taky jak je dát ze seznamu zase pryč. Pryč by se daly automaticky, kdyby z RUIAN budova zmizela, to je jasné. A kdyby se budova znovu postavila a měla stejné RUIAN ID, počet takových případů se bude blížit nule. Nejsi jediný, kdo tento problém zmiňuje (že v RUIAN jsou budovy, které už neexistují). Záleží kolik by takových budov bylo. Kdyby málo, můžu je do seznamu přidávat ručně (insert into ...) - nejjednodušší. Pak se nabízí nějaká webová stránka, kam by je mohl přidávat kdokoli. Ochrana před vandaly a pitomými boty? Jak? Kapča? :( Ideálně autentizace proti OSM serveru, jenže ta se nejspíš nekoná. Našel jsem jen http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Single_sign_on , což vypadá, že OSMF prostě není identity provider :\. Nebo to udělat jako fci Pointinfo, což by měl Marián jistě radost, on má totiž spoustu zbytečného času. Jsou ještě jiné možnosti? Poznámka: jsem provozovatelem poloha.net -- Petr Dne St 12. listopadu 2014 18:00:05, Radek Kuznik napsal(a): Cau, jak postupovat, pokud v RUIAN jsou spatne udaje? Napriklad: Kromeriz - Hanacky namesti, jedna budova je zborena... https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/49.29289/17.39111layers=N Zbylo jen cislo popisne. Smazat cp? Nejaka moznost, jak opravit i na http://ruian.poloha.net/ , aby ostatni nemuseli resit, ze budova podle RUIAN chybi, ale je to spravne? ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Outil libre pour créer et insérer carte avec parcours + POI?
Le 7 novembre 2014 14:13, Romain MEHUT romain.me...@gmail.com a écrit : C'est aussi un problème d'OSM de parfois montrer des itinéraires qui ne sont en fait que la re-copie de ceux publiés dans des guides officiels... et qui sur le terrain se révèlent impraticables. Pour mémoire, il y a eu cette autre discussion dans le même genre d'idée: https://www.mail-archive.com/talk-fr%40openstreetmap.org/msg65003.html Au passage, à lire les commentaires suivants sur http://isabelleetlevelo.20minutes-blogs.fr/archive/2014/11/01/de-flers-au-mont-saint-michel-et-retour-907934.html Romain ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Bano en panne ?
Bonjour De: Stéphane Péneau stephane.pen...@wanadoo.fr Est-ce qu'il y a eu un souci avec les scripts BANO cette nuit ? Le 44 vient de perdre environ 200 voies rapprochées, et à priori ce n'est pas le seul département dans cette situation, le rapprochement étant passé de 11.15 à 11.14 millions d'adresses. J'ai opéré une modification hier soir en effet [1], dans le but de tenir compte des noms de voies suffixés par un terme (souvent un nom de lieu-dit, mais pas toujours). Sur mes communes de test, dont aucune dans le 44, ça apportait plutôt du gain. Tu mets le doigt sur des endroits où il y a potentiellement régression, ce qui évidemment n'était pas le but. Je regarderai plus dans le détail ce soir. À noter que dans le même temps le nombre de voies rapprochées augmente : http://munin.openstreetmap.fr/osm12.free.org/osm104.openstreetmap.fr/bano_rapproche.html qui est l'indicateur que je privilégiai au cours du développement. Je vais donc y revenir Si ce n'est pas un problème de script, est-ce qu'il y a un moyen simple de trouver dans quelles communes se situe le souci ? J'ai regardé layers.openstreetmap.fr au cas ou des frontières seraient cassées, mais ça ne semble pas être le cas. Les communes impactées sont celles où on trouve des patates oranges sur cette page : http://osm.vdct.free.fr/hameaux/index.html L'idée est de gérer des morceaux de nom parasites, comme par exemple à Lège - Cap-Ferret : http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/fantoir/#insee=33236 vincent [1] : https://github.com/osm-fr/bano/commit/8ec5eea2485133a22359c25bed4079349f2d1384 ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] BANO - Rapprochement avec et sans adresse
De: Stéphane Péneau stephane.pen...@wanadoo.fr Je tombe sur un cas un peu bizarre : Ce n'est pas rare que la couche BANO affiche une rue non rapprochée, sans code Fantoir, mais qu'on le retrouve en passant par cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/fantoir. Sur Crossac (44), je vois une rue nommée Route de PontChâteauplanche mar . En réalité c'est la section de la Route de PontChâteau qui passe par le hameau La Planche Marion, avec 11 adresses. Sur la couche BANO, elle n'a pas de code fantoir. Ce qui est curieux, c'est que sur le site, je la trouve bien, avec le code fantoir 440500139R , mais dans la section Voies sans adresses. En fait tu as : Route de Ponchâteau (440500140S) dans les voies avec adresses _et_ rapprochées RTE DE PONTCHATEAU - PIOLAIS (440500142U) dans les voies avec adresses _non_ rapprochées RTE DE PONTCHATEAU-PLANCHE MAR (440500139R) dans les voies _sans_ adresses _non_ rapprochées En gros si on veut tout gérer, il faudrait morceler les highways portant le nom Route de Ponchâteau selon leur inclusion dans un hameau et leur affecter explicitement le bon code Fantoir. vincent ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] BANO - Rapprochement avec et sans adresse
Oui oui, j'ai bien compris, et j'ai fait le découpage de la rue, mais pourquoi est-ce que RTE DE PONTCHATEAU-PLANCHE MAR (440500139R) est listée dans les voies sans adresses alors que le rendu affiche des numéros : http://layers.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=18lat=47.42208lon=-2.14853layers=BFT Stf Le mercredi 12 novembre 2014 10:46:46, Vincent de Château-Thierry a écrit : De: Stéphane Péneau stephane.pen...@wanadoo.fr Je tombe sur un cas un peu bizarre : Ce n'est pas rare que la couche BANO affiche une rue non rapprochée, sans code Fantoir, mais qu'on le retrouve en passant par cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/fantoir. Sur Crossac (44), je vois une rue nommée Route de PontChâteauplanche mar . En réalité c'est la section de la Route de PontChâteau qui passe par le hameau La Planche Marion, avec 11 adresses. Sur la couche BANO, elle n'a pas de code fantoir. Ce qui est curieux, c'est que sur le site, je la trouve bien, avec le code fantoir 440500139R , mais dans la section Voies sans adresses. En fait tu as : Route de Ponchâteau (440500140S) dans les voies avec adresses _et_ rapprochées RTE DE PONTCHATEAU - PIOLAIS (440500142U) dans les voies avec adresses _non_ rapprochées RTE DE PONTCHATEAU-PLANCHE MAR (440500139R) dans les voies _sans_ adresses _non_ rapprochées En gros si on veut tout gérer, il faudrait morceler les highways portant le nom Route de Ponchâteau selon leur inclusion dans un hameau et leur affecter explicitement le bon code Fantoir. vincent ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Outil libre pour créer et insérer carte avec parcours + POI?
Le 12 nov. 2014 à 10:04, Romain MEHUT romain.me...@gmail.com a écrit : Au passage, à lire les commentaires suivants sur http://isabelleetlevelo.20minutes-blogs.fr/archive/2014/11/01/de-flers-au-mont-saint-michel-et-retour-907934.html http://isabelleetlevelo.20minutes-blogs.fr/archive/2014/11/01/de-flers-au-mont-saint-michel-et-retour-907934.html Intéressant :) Je cite EM : « Je ne connais pas de lieu de discussion sur le sujet, à la fois très particulier et très mis en avant, des itinéraires cyclables en France sur OpenStreetMap. J'ai évoqué à plusieurs endroits le sujet, cela tourne hélas vite à une défense des principes d'OSM (et à un procès d'intention envers ceux qui mentionnent des défauts), ou encore à la pirouette consistant à asséner s'il y a une erreur, corrigez-la (ce qui rate totalement la cible sur ce point-là, justement). » Les discussions sont effectivement parfois animées sur cette (les ?) listes ;-) « Alors, comment cartographier cet itinéraire cyclable 7 ? Je sais que l'itinéraire présent dans OSM est faux, vu son tracé au départ qui ne rime à rien quand on est sur place. Mais comment corriger ? D'une part ce n'est pas évident techniquement, d'autre part je ne sais déjà pas quoi choisir, entre les données officielles de la mairie, non visibles sur le terrain, et les quelques panneaux présents sur le terrain … » On peut mettre être lui suggérer de mettre une note sur la carte, avec un lien vers la page du parcours sur son site. Au passage, je trouve http://www.sortirdeparisavelo.fr http://www.sortirdeparisavelo.fr/ clair et bien fait. Peut-être pourrait-il mettre à jour le comparatif : Geoportail, Google Maps, OpenStreetMap, etc… http://www.sortirdeparisavelo.fr/ressourcesenligne.html Et pour les cartographieurs à distance, je ne crois pas qu’on peut faire facilement le lien entre les traces GPX et les photos avec les descriptions du trajet et ou la vidéo… (pas de coordonnées GPS dans les métadonnées de la photo ex: La Rue Brahms http://regex.info/exif.cgi?imgurl=http://www.sortirdeparisavelo.fr/img/pcouleev/pcouleev_007.jpg) … du moins pour le moment ;-) — Yves ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Outil libre pour créer et insérer carte avec parcours + POI?
Le 12 novembre 2014 11:08, Yves Pratter yves.prat...@gmail.com a écrit : *« Alors, comment cartographier cet itinéraire cyclable 7 ? Je sais que l'itinéraire présent dans OSM est faux, vu son tracé au départ qui ne rime à rien quand on est sur place. Mais comment corriger ? D'une part ce n'est pas évident techniquement, d'autre part je ne sais déjà pas quoi choisir, entre les données officielles de la mairie, non visibles sur le terrain, et les quelques panneaux présents sur le terrain … »* On peut mettre être lui suggérer de mettre une note sur la carte, avec un lien vers la page du parcours sur son site. Déjà fait mais plus globalement il faudrait davantage de cyclistes de terrain qui s'approprient la contribution à OSM... Romain ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Bano en panne ?
Salut Vincent, Le mercredi 12 novembre 2014 10:38:24, Vincent de Château-Thierry a écrit : J'ai opéré une modification hier soir en effet [1], dans le but de tenir compte des noms de voies suffixés par un terme (souvent un nom de lieu-dit, mais pas toujours). Sur mes communes de test, dont aucune dans le 44, ça apportait plutôt du gain. Tu mets le doigt sur des endroits où il y a potentiellement régression, ce qui évidemment n'était pas le but. Je regarderai plus dans le détail ce soir. A priori ça pose un problème à certains endroits, et c'est flagrant à Pornic. De nombreuses voies avec le bon nom ne sont plus rapprochées. Un exemple parmi d'autres : http://layers.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=18lat=47.42208lon=-2.14853layers=BFT Stéphane ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Outil libre pour créer et insérer carte avec parcours + POI?
Romain Déjà fait mais plus globalement il faudrait davantage de cyclistes de terrain qui s'approprient la contribution à OSM… C’est ce qu’il mentionne effectivement sur une de ses pages :-) Ce que j’ai pu voir sur son site, c’est qu’il a utilisé JOSM (l’informatique ne doit pas être un pb pour lui)… mais qu’il a fini par être dégouté par les modifications sauvages d’autres contributeurs probablement non cyclistes. Donc on en revient à la question de la motivation, de la communication… au sein de la communauté OSM mais aussi avec les autres communautés (ici les cyclistes). — Yves ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Outil libre pour créer et insérer carte avec parcours + POI?
Le 12 novembre 2014 11:19, Yves Pratter yves.prat...@gmail.com a écrit : Romain Déjà fait mais plus globalement il faudrait davantage de cyclistes de terrain qui s'approprient la contribution à OSM… C’est ce qu’il mentionne effectivement sur une de ses pages :-) Ce que j’ai pu voir sur son site, c’est qu’il a utilisé JOSM (l’informatique ne doit pas être un pb pour lui)… mais qu’il a fini par être dégouté par les modifications sauvages d’autres contributeurs probablement non cyclistes. C'est cela en effet. J'ai continué à échanger avec lui en dehors de talk-fr. Donc on en revient à la question de la motivation, de la communication… au sein de la communauté OSM mais aussi avec les autres communautés (ici les cyclistes). On est d'accord ;) ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Outil libre pour créer et insérer carte avec parcours + POI?
Question de débutant : où trouve-t-on les itinéraires tracés dans OSM? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Outil-libre-pour-creer-et-inserer-carte-avec-parcours-POI-tp5823365p5824080.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Outil libre pour créer et insérer carte avec parcours + POI?
Le 12 nov. 2014 à 12:30, Shohreh codecompl...@free.fr a écrit : Question de débutant : où trouve-t-on les itinéraires tracés dans OSM? En tant que cartographieur : C’est une relation de type route ou superordre. Tu peux la voir avec ton éditeur favori (Id, JOSM…) avec une requête overpass ou simplement sur la carte OSM : http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2938 http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2938 EV6 En tant qu’utilisateur (ici cycliste) : Elle est visible sur l’un des fonds de carte spécialisé (Carte cyclable http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2938#map=14/47.2365/6.0246layers=C de ThunderForest, couche parcours cyclables de WayMarkedTrails…), Sur des sites spécialisés (Waymarked Trails http://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/fr/relation/2764576?zoom=15lat=47.2287lon=6.03901hill=0.455#pref : à vélo, …), Ou tout simplement sur OSM : http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2764576#map=15/47.2287/6.0390layers=C http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2764576#map=15/47.2287/6.0390layers=C Listes non exhaustives ;-) — Yves ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Bano en panne ?
De: Stéphane Péneau stephane.pen...@wanadoo.fr A priori ça pose un problème à certains endroits, et c'est flagrant à Pornic. De nombreuses voies avec le bon nom ne sont plus rapprochées. Un exemple parmi d'autres : http://layers.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=18lat=47.42208lon=-2.14853layers=BFT Oui c'est net. L'approche patatoïdale montre ses limites, car à Pornic il y a un bel enchevêtrement de noms suffixés et de noms à considérer tels que. Copie à revoir, à suivre. vincent ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] BANO - Rapprochement avec et sans adresse
De: Stéphane Péneau stephane.pen...@wanadoo.fr Oui oui, j'ai bien compris, et j'ai fait le découpage de la rue, mais pourquoi est-ce que RTE DE PONTCHATEAU-PLANCHE MAR (440500139R) est listée dans les voies sans adresses alors que le rendu affiche des numéros : http://layers.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=18lat=47.42208lon=-2.14853layers=BFT Le mercredi 12 novembre 2014 10:46:46, Vincent de Château-Thierry a En fait tu as : Route de Ponchâteau (440500140S) dans les voies avec adresses _et_ rapprochées RTE DE PONTCHATEAU - PIOLAIS (440500142U) dans les voies avec adresses _non_ rapprochées RTE DE PONTCHATEAU-PLANCHE MAR (440500139R) dans les voies _sans_ adresses _non_ rapprochées En gros si on veut tout gérer, il faudrait morceler les highways portant le nom Route de Ponchâteau selon leur inclusion dans un hameau et leur affecter explicitement le bon code Fantoir. J'ai parlé trop vite, le bon code Fantoir sur chaque portion ne suffit pas ici. Le fait que plusieurs voies distinctes au sein d'une commune puissent porter le même nom et correspondre à plus de 1 code Fantoir n'est pas géré et demandera des évolutions de code : un nom = une voie = un code Fantoir est un postulat fort pour l'instant, et le cas que tu pointes obligera à l'assouplir. Pour la raison du classement en Voie sans adresse pour le cas ci-dessus ça ressemble à un bug. Je regarderai ce soir avec les données sous la main. vincent ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Outil libre pour créer et insérer carte avec parcours + POI?
Merci mais je me suis mal exprimé : je ne cherche pas les /pistes cyclables/ (telles qu'affichées notamment dans OCM) mais les /balades /remontées par des cyclistes. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Outil-libre-pour-creer-et-inserer-carte-avec-parcours-POI-tp5823365p5824103.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Site web pour récupérer coordonnées coin gauches, coin droite?
Le 10 novembre 2014 15:03, Shohreh codecompl...@free.fr a écrit : J'ai cliqué sur Export en haut et ça télécharge le fichier de 1.4MB. J'ai besoin des quatre coins (coordonnées) de la carte pour construire mon URL : comment faire? Salut, pour ma part quand je clique sur le bouton Exporter du menu principal, ça m'ouvre un onglet sur la gauche avec une petite boite qui affiche les coordonnées nord/sud/est/ouest + un lien Sélectionner manuellement une autre zone, et seulement en dessous le bouton exporter qui fait télécharger un fichier. Les chiffres présents dans la boite correspondent aux coordonnées dont il y a besoin pour afficher la carte topo sur la zone voulue (testé). Pas besoin de télécharger de fichier, juste un copier/coller depuis le site principal osm ... Sylvain ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Site web pour récupérer coordonnées coin gauches, coin droite?
Bonjour Nominatim ? Lorsque je rentre une demande de lieux, il me propose une liste et en cliquant sur la donnée, la carte se déplace sur ledit lieu et dans la boite s'affiche les 2 coordonées Cordialement -- David Crochet ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Site web pour récupérer coordonnées coin gauches, coin droite?
- Mail d'origine - De: Sylvain Maillard sylvain.maill...@gmail.com À: Discussions sur OSM en français talk-fr@openstreetmap.org Envoyé: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 16:01:52 +0100 (CET) Objet: Re: [OSM-talk-fr]Site web pour récupérer coordonnées coin gauches, coin droite? Le 10 novembre 2014 15:03, Shohreh codecompl...@free.fr a écrit : J'ai cliqué sur Export en haut et ça télécharge le fichier de 1.4MB. J'ai besoin des quatre coins (coordonnées) de la carte pour construire mon URL : comment faire? avec josm: menu fichier-Telecharger = dans l'onglet carte glissante, sélectionner l'emprise voulue (sans telecharger) = clic sur l'onglet zone delimitée = utiliser les coordonnées maxi et mini des latitude et longitude Salut, pour ma part quand je clique sur le bouton Exporter du menu principal, ça m'ouvre un onglet sur la gauche avec une petite boite qui affiche les coordonnées nord/sud/est/ouest + un lien Sélectionner manuellement une autre zone, et seulement en dessous le bouton exporter qui fait télécharger un fichier. Les chiffres présents dans la boite correspondent aux coordonnées dont il y a besoin pour afficher la carte topo sur la zone voulue (testé). Pas besoin de télécharger de fichier, juste un copier/coller depuis le site principal osm ... Sylvain ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Outil libre pour créer et insérer carte avec parcours + POI?
2014-11-12 14:59 GMT+01:00 Shohreh codecompl...@free.fr: Merci mais je me suis mal exprimé : je ne cherche pas les /pistes cyclables/ (telles qu'affichées notamment dans OCM) mais les /balades /remontées par des cyclistes. Les balades d'ordre privées ne sont (ne doivent pas être) strockées dans OSM. Les parcours que l'on tolère sont ceux qui ont présence sur le terrain (signalisation) ou un caractère officiel (encore que, on peut lire sur un autre fil de discussion que des parcours promus par les offices de tourismes sont plus qu'approximatifs) Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Outil libre pour créer et insérer carte avec parcours + POI?
Par contre on peut enregistrer les traces GPS des balades, cela permet d'aider les contributeurs pour tagger les voies ouvertes aux vélos. Pour récupérer les traces c'est déjà moins évident : - https://www.openstreetmap.org/traces/tag/velo Francisco - Mail original - De: Pieren pier...@gmail.com À: Discussions sur OSM en français talk-fr@openstreetmap.org Envoyé: Mercredi 12 Novembre 2014 19:13:51 Objet: Re: [OSM-talk-fr]Outil libre pour créer et insérer carte avec parcours + POI? 2014-11-12 14:59 GMT+01:00 Shohreh codecompl...@free.fr: Merci mais je me suis mal exprimé : je ne cherche pas les /pistes cyclables/ (telles qu'affichées notamment dans OCM) mais les /balades /remontées par des cyclistes. Les balades d'ordre privées ne sont (ne doivent pas être) strockées dans OSM. Les parcours que l'on tolère sont ceux qui ont présence sur le terrain (signalisation) ou un caractère officiel (encore que, on peut lire sur un autre fil de discussion que des parcours promus par les offices de tourismes sont plus qu'approximatifs) Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Obtenir une carte avec des courbes de niveau avec Maperitive
Hello, la liste, Peut-on m’indiquer une solution pour la question qui m’est posée par un jeune étudiant : Pour mon projet de diplôme je travaille en binôme avec ma pote Milena sur le val de Suse, en italie. Pour analyser le territoire on utilise Open Street Map. Sauf qu'en fait on ne parvient pas du tout à extraire les données OSM en vectoriel En fait, le problème c'est que nous essayons d'extraire des cartes OSM vers Illustrator (notamment les courbes de niveaux), c'est-à-dire au format vectoriel SVG. Pour cela nous avons télécharger Maperitive. Comme décrit dans les tutoriaux trouvés sur internet: - ouverture de Maperitive qui affiche le fond de map web (Mapnick). - importation d'un fichier map.osm exportée depuis OSM - inactivation de la map web (Mapnick) - utilisation de la commande générer le relief depuis le menu maperitive, qui fait apparaitre les courbes de niveaux. Or, une fois ces étapes effectuées, nous avons exporté en SVG pour Illustrator, mais l'exportation ne nous donne que des morceaux d'images éparses sans les courbes de niveaux. Est-ce, d'après toi, la bonne amorce pour obtenir ces courbes en .svg ? Merci d’avance, car, cela dépasse mes compétences. Christian R.___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Capitole du Libre : appel à animateurs de stand et d'atelier
Bonsoir, Sébastien Dinot a écrit : Mes propositions de stand OSM et d'atelier sur JOSM viennent d'être retenues par les organisateurs de l'édition 2014 de Capitole du Libre qui se déroulera les 15 et 16 novembre prochains à Toulouse : http://2014.capitoledulibre.org/ Le stand sera tenu le samedi 15/11/2014, de 11h à 18h. L'atelier aura lieu le dimanche 16/11/2014 et il durera 3 heures (la programmation n'étant pas encore en ligne, je ne sais pas s'il sera programmé le matin ou l'après-midi). À l'attention des mappeurs qui participeront à l'animation du stand ou de l'atelier, voici les dernières infos pratiques transmises par les organisateurs : [...] Samedi 15 nous continuons la mise en place dès 8h, heure à laquelle vous pouvez vous aussi arriver. L'entrée au public est à 10h30 (nous avons indiqué 11h sur les communications, mais bien souvent les gens arrivent plus tôt), et les premières conférences commencent à 11h. À midi est prévu une collation pour les bénévoles et les intervenants, au Foy' de l'N7 (de l'autre côté de la cour). Les conférences et stands durent jusqu'à 18h (sauf exception jusqu'à 18h20). Il y a un atelier seulement le samedi au final : le Tableau blanc interactif. À 18h30 vient la conférence du soir, par Adrienne Charmet et Benjamin Bayart : http://2014.capitoledulibre.org/programme/presentation/125/ À 20h jusqu'à 23h est prévu un apéro-buffet au Foy' de l'N7 pour tout le monde : bénévoles, intervenants et public. Dimanche 14 les ateliers débutent à 10h jusqu'à 17h, mais l'N7 est ouvert dès 9h pour les bénévoles et les intervenants. Il y aura également quelques conférences à partir de 13h30. Un repas est prévu pour tout le monde : gratuit pour les bénévoles et les intervenants, il est payant pour le public. Le programme complet : http://2014.capitoledulibre.org/programme/ [...] Sébastien -- Sébastien Dinot, sebastien.di...@free.fr http://sebastien.dinot.free.fr/ Ne goûtez pas au logiciel libre, vous ne pourriez plus vous en passer ! ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Obtenir une carte avec des courbes de niveau avec Maperitive
Salut, pour l'export en svg il y a plusieurs solutions qui fonctionnent pas mal, mais la plus simple est sur le site principal : le bouton partager ouvre un onglet à droite, avec la possibilité de faire un export au format svg. Ca fonctionne aussi pour de grandes zones ! Par contre il n'y aura pas de courbes de niveau, ces données ne sont pas présentes dans OSM ! Pour les obtenir il faudra utiliser d'autres jeux de données, soit en opendata italien, soit par exemple le EU-GDEM ( http://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/data/eu-dem) Sylvain Le 12 novembre 2014 23:48, Christian Rogel christian.ro...@club-internet.fr a écrit : Hello, la liste, Peut-on m'indiquer une solution pour la question qui m'est posée par un jeune étudiant : Pour mon projet de diplôme je travaille en binôme avec ma pote Milena sur le val de Suse, en italie. Pour analyser le territoire on utilise Open Street Map. Sauf qu'en fait on ne parvient pas du tout à extraire les données OSM en vectoriel En fait, le problème c'est que nous essayons d'extraire des cartes OSM vers Illustrator (notamment les courbes de niveaux), c'est-à-dire au format vectoriel SVG. Pour cela nous avons télécharger Maperitive. Comme décrit dans les tutoriaux trouvés sur internet: - ouverture de Maperitive qui affiche le fond de map web (Mapnick). - importation d'un fichier map.osm exportée depuis OSM - inactivation de la map web (Mapnick) - utilisation de la commande générer le relief depuis le menu maperitive, qui fait apparaitre les courbes de niveaux. Or, une fois ces étapes effectuées, nous avons exporté en SVG pour Illustrator, mais l'exportation ne nous donne que des morceaux d'images éparses sans les courbes de niveaux. Est-ce, d'après toi, la bonne amorce pour obtenir ces courbes en .svg ? Merci d'avance, car, cela dépasse mes compétences. Christian R. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Obtenir une carte avec des courbes de niveau avec Maperitive
Le 13/11/2014 à 09:48:49 +1100 Christian Rogel christian.ro...@club-internet.fr a écrit Objet: [OSM-talk-fr] Obtenir une carte avec des courbes de niveau avec Maperitive : Est-ce, d'après toi, la bonne amorce pour obtenir ces courbes en .svg ? J'ai utilisé avec succès le programme en ligne de commande Srtm2Osm.exe de Igor Brejc qui crée un fichier OSM-XML avec les courbes au niveaux désirés depuis les données téléchargées de la NASA. Après il faut voir comment continuer, peut-être donner manuellement ce fichier vectoriel à Maperitive et exporter en svg. (adapter éventuellement le fichier des règles de rendu) Ou bien voir si Qgis ne peut pas tirer profit de ces données en XML. -- Cordialement Hendrik Oesterlin - Nouvelle-Calédonie ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Obtenir une carte avec des courbes de niveau avec Maperitive
Bonjour, Illustrator n'est pas connu pour son respect des standard du svg, le problème vient probablement de là : https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/maperitive/illustrator/maperitive/a06P381rkH8/Xg7R9CIODqQJ https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/maperitive/illustrator/maperitive/1dwKnq-S1ik/olq7MNEx0XQJ J'ai essayé un export en svg pour Inkscape, il donne bien ce qu'il faut… Sinon, vous avez pensé à l'utilisation des courbes de niveau issues du SRTM au format .osm ? http://geoweb.hft-stuttgart.de/SRTM/srtm_as_osm/ JB. Le 12/11/2014 23:48, Christian Rogel a écrit : Hello, la liste, Peut-on m’indiquer une solution pour la question qui m’est posée par un jeune étudiant : Pour mon projet de diplôme je travaille en binôme avec ma pote Milena sur le val de Suse, en italie. Pour analyser le territoire on utilise Open Street Map. Sauf qu'en fait on ne parvient pas du tout à extraire les données OSM en vectoriel En fait, le problème c'est que nous essayons d'extraire des cartes OSM vers Illustrator (notamment les courbes de niveaux), c'est-à-dire au format vectoriel SVG. Pour cela nous avons télécharger Maperitive. Comme décrit dans les tutoriaux trouvés sur internet: - ouverture de Maperitive qui affiche le fond de map web (Mapnick). - importation d'un fichier map.osm exportée depuis OSM - inactivation de la map web (Mapnick) - utilisation de la commande générer le relief depuis le menu maperitive, qui fait apparaitre les courbes de niveaux. Or, une fois ces étapes effectuées, nous avons exporté en SVG pour Illustrator, mais l'exportation ne nous donne que des morceaux d'images éparses sans les courbes de niveaux. Est-ce, d'après toi, la bonne amorce pour obtenir ces courbes en .svg ? Merci d’avance, car, cela dépasse mes compétences. Christian R. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking.
More info on this - it seems to be a bunch of people working for this company: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/%C3%96V_Firma_Mentz_Datenverarbeitung_GmbH I've had no reply from the mapper that I tried to contact (although they have fixed at least one of the problems that they created) so I've tried again via direct message, comment on the firm's OSM wiki page and an OSM message to the company's main OSM account. What concerns me is that they're still editing (with various accounts). It's relatively easy to trace straight lines from Bing, but it needs experience and interpretation (and a local survey!) to see how everything on the ground relates to everything else. Based on their error rate so far I'd definitely still suggest that local mappers check their edits. Cheers, Andy On 08/11/2014 22:51, SomeoneElse wrote: An anonymous note adder (http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/267719) and someone on IRC noticed some problematical railway edits near Sutton-in-Ashfield: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/311380489#map=15/53.1247/-1.2346layers=N It looks like an attempt to dual the Robin Hood line went a bit wrong and ended up slicing through an industrial estate and some areas of housing (though I'm sure it was cock-up rather than conspiracy as Sir Bernard Ingham would have said). Looking at some other edits in the same changeset, there are some other, less obvious, issues too, which I've added to the changeset discussion: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26590071 The most obvious problem seems to be tracing the railway in but not joining properly to other features (such as crossings). Some information (e.g. cutting=yes) has also been lost. Another local changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26587435 has some similar issues. There have been a number of other edits, some with rather a lot of deletions in them, including: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26613977 All of these changesets could probably also benefit from a review from local mappers to identify potential issues. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking.
Yes, I looked at the first user in the list and the first page of changesets loaded with one close to me which is a railway platform apparently in the middle of a housing estate. http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24439915 As it’s a U_Bahn entry I'm assuming its meant to be a platform on an underground line that’s just totally in the wrong geographical location. However the name of station 1 might suggest its someone practicing too. Reverting and will look for others in the west mids area. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk] Sent: 12 November 2014 10:23 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking. More info on this - it seems to be a bunch of people working for this company: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/%C3%96V_Firma_Mentz_Datenverarbeitung_GmbH I've had no reply from the mapper that I tried to contact (although they have fixed at least one of the problems that they created) so I've tried again via direct message, comment on the firm's OSM wiki page and an OSM message to the company's main OSM account. What concerns me is that they're still editing (with various accounts). It's relatively easy to trace straight lines from Bing, but it needs experience and interpretation (and a local survey!) to see how everything on the ground relates to everything else. Based on their error rate so far I'd definitely still suggest that local mappers check their edits. Cheers, Andy On 08/11/2014 22:51, SomeoneElse wrote: An anonymous note adder (http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/267719) and someone on IRC noticed some problematical railway edits near Sutton-in-Ashfield: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/311380489#map=15/53.1247/-1.2346laye rs=N It looks like an attempt to dual the Robin Hood line went a bit wrong and ended up slicing through an industrial estate and some areas of housing (though I'm sure it was cock-up rather than conspiracy as Sir Bernard Ingham would have said). Looking at some other edits in the same changeset, there are some other, less obvious, issues too, which I've added to the changeset discussion: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26590071 The most obvious problem seems to be tracing the railway in but not joining properly to other features (such as crossings). Some information (e.g. cutting=yes) has also been lost. Another local changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26587435 has some similar issues. There have been a number of other edits, some with rather a lot of deletions in them, including: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26613977 All of these changesets could probably also benefit from a review from local mappers to identify potential issues. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking.
Interestingly, the source given is the German phrase for surveyed in the field... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 12 November 2014 10:52, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I looked at the first user in the list and the first page of changesets loaded with one close to me which is a railway platform apparently in the middle of a housing estate. http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24439915 As it’s a U_Bahn entry I'm assuming its meant to be a platform on an underground line that’s just totally in the wrong geographical location. However the name of station 1 might suggest its someone practicing too. Reverting and will look for others in the west mids area. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk] Sent: 12 November 2014 10:23 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking. More info on this - it seems to be a bunch of people working for this company: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/%C3%96V_Firma_Mentz_Datenverarbeitung_GmbH I've had no reply from the mapper that I tried to contact (although they have fixed at least one of the problems that they created) so I've tried again via direct message, comment on the firm's OSM wiki page and an OSM message to the company's main OSM account. What concerns me is that they're still editing (with various accounts). It's relatively easy to trace straight lines from Bing, but it needs experience and interpretation (and a local survey!) to see how everything on the ground relates to everything else. Based on their error rate so far I'd definitely still suggest that local mappers check their edits. Cheers, Andy On 08/11/2014 22:51, SomeoneElse wrote: An anonymous note adder (http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/267719) and someone on IRC noticed some problematical railway edits near Sutton-in-Ashfield: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/311380489#map=15/53.1247/-1.2346laye rs=N It looks like an attempt to dual the Robin Hood line went a bit wrong and ended up slicing through an industrial estate and some areas of housing (though I'm sure it was cock-up rather than conspiracy as Sir Bernard Ingham would have said). Looking at some other edits in the same changeset, there are some other, less obvious, issues too, which I've added to the changeset discussion: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26590071 The most obvious problem seems to be tracing the railway in but not joining properly to other features (such as crossings). Some information (e.g. cutting=yes) has also been lost. Another local changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26587435 has some similar issues. There have been a number of other edits, some with rather a lot of deletions in them, including: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26613977 All of these changesets could probably also benefit from a review from local mappers to identify potential issues. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking.
Greetings, all. Mentz (aka mdv) is a German company that provides the journey planner used by a number of the traveline regions, as well as for Transport for London. As you may recall from my previous posts, a number traveline regions are now using OSM as the GIS. We found a problem (internally) with how railways were mapped, and mdv told us that they had found a way around it. It looks like that involved amending things in ways that are not appropriate. Please pass the details back to me, and I will discuss it with them and also with the community if things need reverting. Regards, Stuart -Original Message- From: SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk] Sent: 12 November 2014 10:23 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking. More info on this - it seems to be a bunch of people working for this company: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/%C3%96V_Firma_Mentz_Datenverarbeitung_GmbH I've had no reply from the mapper that I tried to contact (although they have fixed at least one of the problems that they created) so I've tried again via direct message, comment on the firm's OSM wiki page and an OSM message to the company's main OSM account. What concerns me is that they're still editing (with various accounts). It's relatively easy to trace straight lines from Bing, but it needs experience and interpretation (and a local survey!) to see how everything on the ground relates to everything else. Based on their error rate so far I'd definitely still suggest that local mappers check their edits. Cheers, Andy On 08/11/2014 22:51, SomeoneElse wrote: An anonymous note adder (http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/267719) and someone on IRC noticed some problematical railway edits near Sutton-in-Ashfield: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/311380489#map=15/53.1247/-1.2346laye rs=N It looks like an attempt to dual the Robin Hood line went a bit wrong and ended up slicing through an industrial estate and some areas of housing (though I'm sure it was cock-up rather than conspiracy as Sir Bernard Ingham would have said). Looking at some other edits in the same changeset, there are some other, less obvious, issues too, which I've added to the changeset discussion: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26590071 The most obvious problem seems to be tracing the railway in but not joining properly to other features (such as crossings). Some information (e.g. cutting=yes) has also been lost. Another local changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26587435 has some similar issues. There have been a number of other edits, some with rather a lot of deletions in them, including: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26613977 All of these changesets could probably also benefit from a review from local mappers to identify potential issues. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking.
Here's just one example of an odd type of edit. Adding priority=yard to rail objects. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/96973880 I did not see anything on the schema page to suggest odd tags: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=detl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2F%25C3%2596V_Firma_Mentz_Datenverarbeitung_GmbH%2FModellierungsvorschl%25C3%25A4ge Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Stuart Reynolds [mailto:stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk] Sent: 12 November 2014 10:59 To: SomeoneElse; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Cc: project Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking. Greetings, all. Mentz (aka mdv) is a German company that provides the journey planner used by a number of the traveline regions, as well as for Transport for London. As you may recall from my previous posts, a number traveline regions are now using OSM as the GIS. We found a problem (internally) with how railways were mapped, and mdv told us that they had found a way around it. It looks like that involved amending things in ways that are not appropriate. Please pass the details back to me, and I will discuss it with them and also with the community if things need reverting. Regards, Stuart -Original Message- From: SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk] Sent: 12 November 2014 10:23 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking. More info on this - it seems to be a bunch of people working for this company: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/%C3%96V_Firma_Mentz_Datenverarbeitung_GmbH I've had no reply from the mapper that I tried to contact (although they have fixed at least one of the problems that they created) so I've tried again via direct message, comment on the firm's OSM wiki page and an OSM message to the company's main OSM account. What concerns me is that they're still editing (with various accounts). It's relatively easy to trace straight lines from Bing, but it needs experience and interpretation (and a local survey!) to see how everything on the ground relates to everything else. Based on their error rate so far I'd definitely still suggest that local mappers check their edits. Cheers, Andy On 08/11/2014 22:51, SomeoneElse wrote: An anonymous note adder (http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/267719) and someone on IRC noticed some problematical railway edits near Sutton-in-Ashfield: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/311380489#map=15/53.1247/-1.2346laye rs=N It looks like an attempt to dual the Robin Hood line went a bit wrong and ended up slicing through an industrial estate and some areas of housing (though I'm sure it was cock-up rather than conspiracy as Sir Bernard Ingham would have said). Looking at some other edits in the same changeset, there are some other, less obvious, issues too, which I've added to the changeset discussion: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26590071 The most obvious problem seems to be tracing the railway in but not joining properly to other features (such as crossings). Some information (e.g. cutting=yes) has also been lost. Another local changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26587435 has some similar issues. There have been a number of other edits, some with rather a lot of deletions in them, including: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26613977 All of these changesets could probably also benefit from a review from local mappers to identify potential issues. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking.
OK. I agree that it is odd, but my ability to influence them will be restricted to UK edits that they will have done (theoretically) to resolve issues that we have raised with them. I'll take a look at some of the other edits referred to in the trail below. Regards, Stuart -Original Message- From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] Sent: 12 November 2014 11:09 AM To: Stuart Reynolds; 'SomeoneElse'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Cc: project Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking. Here's just one example of an odd type of edit. Adding priority=yard to rail objects. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/96973880 I did not see anything on the schema page to suggest odd tags: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=detl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2F%25C3%2596V_Firma_Mentz_Datenverarbeitung_GmbH%2FModellierungsvorschl%25C3%25A4ge Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Stuart Reynolds [mailto:stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk] Sent: 12 November 2014 10:59 To: SomeoneElse; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Cc: project Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking. Greetings, all. Mentz (aka mdv) is a German company that provides the journey planner used by a number of the traveline regions, as well as for Transport for London. As you may recall from my previous posts, a number traveline regions are now using OSM as the GIS. We found a problem (internally) with how railways were mapped, and mdv told us that they had found a way around it. It looks like that involved amending things in ways that are not appropriate. Please pass the details back to me, and I will discuss it with them and also with the community if things need reverting. Regards, Stuart -Original Message- From: SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk] Sent: 12 November 2014 10:23 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking. More info on this - it seems to be a bunch of people working for this company: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/%C3%96V_Firma_Mentz_Datenverarbeitung_GmbH I've had no reply from the mapper that I tried to contact (although they have fixed at least one of the problems that they created) so I've tried again via direct message, comment on the firm's OSM wiki page and an OSM message to the company's main OSM account. What concerns me is that they're still editing (with various accounts). It's relatively easy to trace straight lines from Bing, but it needs experience and interpretation (and a local survey!) to see how everything on the ground relates to everything else. Based on their error rate so far I'd definitely still suggest that local mappers check their edits. Cheers, Andy On 08/11/2014 22:51, SomeoneElse wrote: An anonymous note adder (http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/267719) and someone on IRC noticed some problematical railway edits near Sutton-in-Ashfield: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/311380489#map=15/53.1247/-1.2346laye rs=N It looks like an attempt to dual the Robin Hood line went a bit wrong and ended up slicing through an industrial estate and some areas of housing (though I'm sure it was cock-up rather than conspiracy as Sir Bernard Ingham would have said). Looking at some other edits in the same changeset, there are some other, less obvious, issues too, which I've added to the changeset discussion: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26590071 The most obvious problem seems to be tracing the railway in but not joining properly to other features (such as crossings). Some information (e.g. cutting=yes) has also been lost. Another local changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26587435 has some similar issues. There have been a number of other edits, some with rather a lot of deletions in them, including: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26613977 All of these changesets could probably also benefit from a review from local mappers to identify potential issues. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking.
On 12/11/2014 10:59, Stuart Reynolds wrote: Please pass the details back to me, and I will discuss it with them and also with the community if things need reverting. Thanks Stuart. All of my detailed comments so far have been on changesets. I went through http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26590071 in some detail (since I'm very familiar with the area), and also http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26587435 and http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26588170?way_page=2 . The user concerned has tried to fix some but not all of the issues raised, but the biggest issue so far I think is the lack of communication with the UK community (I've not had any reply to messages to that user)* Meaningful changeset comments (i.e. not just modified railway like on http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26597441 ) would also help. If these really are just source=bing (as that last changeset suggests then there are going to be some major issues with Bing offset). Cheers, Andy * though I have just now had a reply from a message to the main OSM MDV account ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking.
According to http://hdyc.neis-one.org .The ÖV Firma Mentz Datenverarbeitung GmbH users that have edited in the UK are: tklug thomas-oliver-berlin mjessen Gavaasuren haytigran rotkelch taoxue I'm sure many edits are perfectly valid, but clearly there are concerns with some. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Stuart Reynolds [mailto:stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk] Sent: 12 November 2014 11:25 To: Andy Robinson; 'SomeoneElse'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Cc: project Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking. OK. I agree that it is odd, but my ability to influence them will be restricted to UK edits that they will have done (theoretically) to resolve issues that we have raised with them. I'll take a look at some of the other edits referred to in the trail below. Regards, Stuart -Original Message- From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] Sent: 12 November 2014 11:09 AM To: Stuart Reynolds; 'SomeoneElse'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Cc: project Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking. Here's just one example of an odd type of edit. Adding priority=yard to rail objects. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/96973880 I did not see anything on the schema page to suggest odd tags: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=detl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2F%25C3%2596V_Firma_Mentz_Datenverarbeitung_GmbH%2FModellierungsvorschl%25C3%25A4ge Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Stuart Reynolds [mailto:stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk] Sent: 12 November 2014 10:59 To: SomeoneElse; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Cc: project Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking. Greetings, all. Mentz (aka mdv) is a German company that provides the journey planner used by a number of the traveline regions, as well as for Transport for London. As you may recall from my previous posts, a number traveline regions are now using OSM as the GIS. We found a problem (internally) with how railways were mapped, and mdv told us that they had found a way around it. It looks like that involved amending things in ways that are not appropriate. Please pass the details back to me, and I will discuss it with them and also with the community if things need reverting. Regards, Stuart -Original Message- From: SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk] Sent: 12 November 2014 10:23 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking. More info on this - it seems to be a bunch of people working for this company: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/%C3%96V_Firma_Mentz_Datenverarbeitung_GmbH I've had no reply from the mapper that I tried to contact (although they have fixed at least one of the problems that they created) so I've tried again via direct message, comment on the firm's OSM wiki page and an OSM message to the company's main OSM account. What concerns me is that they're still editing (with various accounts). It's relatively easy to trace straight lines from Bing, but it needs experience and interpretation (and a local survey!) to see how everything on the ground relates to everything else. Based on their error rate so far I'd definitely still suggest that local mappers check their edits. Cheers, Andy On 08/11/2014 22:51, SomeoneElse wrote: An anonymous note adder (http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/267719) and someone on IRC noticed some problematical railway edits near Sutton-in-Ashfield: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/311380489#map=15/53.1247/-1.2346laye rs=N It looks like an attempt to dual the Robin Hood line went a bit wrong and ended up slicing through an industrial estate and some areas of housing (though I'm sure it was cock-up rather than conspiracy as Sir Bernard Ingham would have said). Looking at some other edits in the same changeset, there are some other, less obvious, issues too, which I've added to the changeset discussion: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26590071 The most obvious problem seems to be tracing the railway in but not joining properly to other features (such as crossings). Some information (e.g. cutting=yes) has also been lost. Another local changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26587435 has some similar issues. There have been a number of other edits, some with rather a lot of deletions in them, including: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26613977 All of these changesets could probably also benefit from a review from local mappers to identify potential issues. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list
Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking.
On 12/11/14 11:40, Andy Robinson wrote: According to http://hdyc.neis-one.org .The ÖV Firma Mentz Datenverarbeitung GmbH users that have edited in the UK are: tklug thomas-oliver-berlin mjessen Gavaasuren haytigran rotkelch taoxue I don't see anything to link that last one to mentzdv? Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking.
taoxue is listed on: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/%C3%96V_Firma_Mentz_Datenverarbeitung_GmbH#Users_that_work_for_us Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Tom Hughes [mailto:t...@compton.nu] Sent: 12 November 2014 12:03 To: Andy Robinson; 'Stuart Reynolds'; 'SomeoneElse'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Cc: 'project' Subject: Re: Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking. On 12/11/14 11:40, Andy Robinson wrote: According to http://hdyc.neis-one.org .The ÖV Firma Mentz Datenverarbeitung GmbH users that have edited in the UK are: tklug thomas-oliver-berlin mjessen Gavaasuren haytigran rotkelch taoxue I don't see anything to link that last one to mentzdv? Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking.
Mdv tell me that they have replied to SomeoneElse - presumably privately, as I didn't see it on the list - and have withdrawn the editor in question. They will also send a response to the list. Regards, Stuart -Original Message- From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] Sent: 12 November 2014 1:31 PM To: 'Tom Hughes'; Stuart Reynolds; 'SomeoneElse'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Cc: project Subject: RE: Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking. taoxue is listed on: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/%C3%96V_Firma_Mentz_Datenverarbeitung_GmbH#Users_that_work_for_us Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Tom Hughes [mailto:t...@compton.nu] Sent: 12 November 2014 12:03 To: Andy Robinson; 'Stuart Reynolds'; 'SomeoneElse'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Cc: 'project' Subject: Re: Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking. On 12/11/14 11:40, Andy Robinson wrote: According to http://hdyc.neis-one.org .The ÖV Firma Mentz Datenverarbeitung GmbH users that have edited in the UK are: tklug thomas-oliver-berlin mjessen Gavaasuren haytigran rotkelch taoxue I don't see anything to link that last one to mentzdv? Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking.
For completeness, I've also added a changeset discussion comment to: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26688781 Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-us] Anyone from New York State around?
I happened to notice https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24646348 while looking at something else. It looks a bit odd - doesn't seem to match the underlying imagery. The previous changeset by this user https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24646289 is a similar bunch of deletions, some former railway, but http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/20661001/history looks like it was a plausible road before it was deleted. I'm happy to revert if that's what people think's best, but didn't want to do so if anyone said why yes, that area is all woodland now. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Anyone from New York State around?
i'm taking a look at them now. On 11/12/14 1:01 PM, SomeoneElse wrote: I happened to notice https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24646348 while looking at something else. It looks a bit odd - doesn't seem to match the underlying imagery. The previous changeset by this user https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24646289 is a similar bunch of deletions, some former railway, but http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/20661001/history looks like it was a plausible road before it was deleted. I'm happy to revert if that's what people think's best, but didn't want to do so if anyone said why yes, that area is all woodland now. -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Anyone from New York State around?
On 11/12/14 2:36 PM, Richard Welty wrote: i'm taking a look at them now. i see tags deleted, and then restored by pnorman_mechanical. so there was a problem, but it seems that it's long since fixed (thanks paul) richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Anyone from New York State around?
On 12/11/2014 19:43, Richard Welty wrote: On 11/12/14 2:36 PM, Richard Welty wrote: i'm taking a look at them now. i see tags deleted, and then restored by pnorman_mechanical. so there was a problem, but it seems that it's long since fixed (thanks paul) richard Some of them were reverted but not https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24646348 I think? Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Anyone from New York State around?
On 11/12/14 2:55 PM, SomeoneElse wrote: On 12/11/2014 19:43, Richard Welty wrote: On 11/12/14 2:36 PM, Richard Welty wrote: i'm taking a look at them now. i see tags deleted, and then restored by pnorman_mechanical. so there was a problem, but it seems that it's long since fixed (thanks paul) richard Some of them were reverted but not https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24646348 I think? the highways were sections of NY 94 and NY 207, both of which appear to be correct and properly tagged now. there was also a poly from the NYS DEC landuse import that Russ Nelson did, part of the Stewart State Forest, not quite sure what is going on there. this might have been a changeset that needed to be reverted back then, but it appears any damage is largely corrected now and reversion is no longer in order. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] New I.D Feature
Hi, On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 10:33:58AM -0500, Richard Welty wrote: 1) the Census Bureau has an area based version of zip codes (postal codes to the non-US types) called ZCTA. it is not a complete representation, it covers about 30,000 of the 50,000 unique zip codes, but it covers all the ones that can be reasonably envisioned as areas. Nominatim is already using a version of the ZCTA data as an additional source. I know there are some bad errors in there preceisly because it seems that US zip codes don't really cover areas. The search allows a certain degree of fuzziness by accepting all nearby zip codes but that is really not good enough. 2) missing from ZCTA is the mapping from zip codes to postal city as you call it. there is more to it than just a many-to-one mapping, which i'll address in a minute. 3) most of the US mappers are opposed to importing this into OSM for a couple of good reasons, i'm one of those opposed. I can see that there are good reasons not to import ZCTA. It is just an estimate after all. Until now I was under the impression that the postal cities are different than postcodes in that they are well defined areas, i.e. I thought that they are much more similar to administrative boundaries just created by a different branch of the government. But from your mail, it sounds like they are much closer to the zip codes. 4) however, there is also a movement in the US mapping community towards having certain types of data kept out of the core OSM database, including various types of admin boundaries. there are two projects looking at admin boundaries in this manner; i'm working on one of them. 5) so if we could 1) come up with the ZCTA-City mappings and 2) provide them in a convenient external database for use by geocoders, is this something that might reasonably be made use of in Nominatim? i've been considering what a project to crowdsource the zip-city mappings for the US might look like. currently the data exists in OSM to handle about 4% of the mappings, but a maproulette style challenge might get us a lot of the rest. as for that many to one mapping that isn't, basically, for each zip code there is a primary city and potentially a number of secondary cities. the primary city is the city name of the post office that serves the routes; the secondary cities are generally traditional place names within the delivery area; for example, for years i lived in the Lansingburgh neighborhood of Troy NY, and the post office would deliver mail for either city name. any effort to crowd source this data would need to take care of that detail. If I understand you right then the 'secondary cities' are the actual cities/towns/villages already mapped as either place nodes or administrative boundaries. Those are already used by Nominatim. So it seems the primary cities are what I was thinking of when referring to postal cities and they can actually be inferred from the postcode. If that is right, it should be somehow possible to add that concept to Nominatim. I'd have to give it a bit of thought. Sarah ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] New I.D Feature
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Sarah Hoffmann lon...@denofr.de wrote: If I understand you right then the 'secondary cities' are the actual cities/towns/villages already mapped as either place nodes or administrative boundaries. Those are already used by Nominatim. So it seems the primary cities are what I was thinking of when referring to postal cities and they can actually be inferred from the postcode. If that is right, it should be somehow possible to add that concept to Nominatim. I'd have to give it a bit of thought. I think that might solve a problem with Census Designated Place, CDP. If the CDP has a different name than the postcode city, Nominatim might have a problem today. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] New I.D Feature
I share Sarah's skepticism about importing ZCTAs. ZCTAs are generalized polygons created by the US Census Bureau and derived from *point* data furnished by the US Postal Service. Given the variability of ZIP codes in general, and the fact that OSM is two steps removed from the source data makes ZCTAs problematic. Likewise, postal cities are a fiction of the US Postal Service and in many localities, bear little relation to the actual, legally recognized administrative boundaries. Similarly, CDPs serve as a place name for named places that typically have no boundary, e.g. Tysons Corner in suburban Washington, DC. I can see CDPs imported into OSM before postal cities. The CDPs have a regular and well-understood update cycle and a centroid. The same cannot be said of postal cities and I think that trying to map ZIP to city on a one-to-one basis is fraught with difficulty all the way round. Sort of related to this: I gave a presentation at SotM-US in Portland where I tried (with very modest success) to argue that our addr:* tagging scheme is overloaded, making it difficult to search for the 'Stone Brook Drives', to disambiguate directional prefixes/suffixes, and so on. Might be worth talking about the general addressing scheme in the larger context of addresses. -- SEJ -- twitter: @geomantic -- skype: sejohnson8 There are two types of people in the world. Those that can extrapolate from incomplete data. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Sarah Hoffmann lon...@denofr.de wrote: If I understand you right then the 'secondary cities' are the actual cities/towns/villages already mapped as either place nodes or administrative boundaries. Those are already used by Nominatim. So it seems the primary cities are what I was thinking of when referring to postal cities and they can actually be inferred from the postcode. If that is right, it should be somehow possible to add that concept to Nominatim. I'd have to give it a bit of thought. I think that might solve a problem with Census Designated Place, CDP. If the CDP has a different name than the postcode city, Nominatim might have a problem today. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
