Re: [OSM-talk-be] more stats: data density in the Belgian regions

[Marc Gemis]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Glenn Plas  wrote:
> You'll be surprised how much crap you find.  In
> my case half of them are from Marc, which I kind of skip.. since I know
> what work he delivers I just glance over them.  But some are worth fixing...

For a moment I thought you wrote that my stuff is crap :-)

But you're right, it's always better to check a changeset, no matter
who made it.

regards

m

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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Sven Geggus]

Andreas Schmidt  wrote:

> https://www.polizei.rlp.de/internet/nav/092/09250455-9958-bb31-7a52-f616a313445c.htm
> 
> 
> Nutzt die Polizei dort eine OSM-Karte und ist dort keine Urheber-Notiz
> vorhanden?

Sieht so aus, aber ehrlich gesagt kotzen mich diese Copyright Nazis
imzwischen sowas von an, dass ich mir echt eine Lizenz ohne Namensnennung
wünschen würde. Mir ist der virale Charakter der Lizenz echt wichtig, aber
diese namensnennungs Masturbation kotzt micht echt an.

Mannomann! Wir haben OSM mal gegründet, damit wir Daten haben die alle frei
verwenden können und nicht damit wir Menschen die genau das tun anpöbeln.

Mal ehrlich: Findest Du wirklich, dass man bei einer solchen Briefmarke
wirklich einen Copyrightnotiz verlangen sollte?

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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Manfred A. Reiter]

Moin,

1. wen machen wir [freundlich] rund?
-
Herausgeber Ministerium des Innern, für Sport und Infrastruktur
Rheinland-Pfalzoder
- http://www.ict.ag/Startseite/

und
2. wer macht's ...

LG


Am 17. November 2015 um 10:35 schrieb Hartmut Holzgraefe <
hartmut.holzgra...@gmail.com>:

> On 17.11.2015 10:26, Andreas Schmidt wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.polizei.rlp.de/internet/nav/092/09250455-9958-bb31-7a52-f616a313445c.htm
>>
>>
>> Nutzt die Polizei dort eine OSM-Karte und ist dort keine Urheber-Notiz
>> vorhanden?
>>
>
> ja, sieht so aus.
>
> Sieht aber auch so aus als ob wer auch immer die Seite gestaltet hat auch
> von Web allgemein eher so wenig bis garkeine Ahnung hat?
>
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Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

[Simon Poole]

I assume that you have got legal advice on the COPPA related
consequences of your activities and are willing to share this with the OSMF?

Simon

Am 17.11.2015 um 02:45 schrieb Steven Johnson:
> Hello list,
>
> Just in time for #OSMGeoweek, TeachOSM with support from Mapstory.org
> and American Geographical Society, has released the first
> OpenStreetMap Surveyor I badge.[1] 
>
> The badge is aimed at the newest open mappers of any age and is
> awarded for successful acquisition of basic editing skills on
> OpenStreetMap. We envision this badge to be the first in a
> constellation of more specialized badges based on skill sets, domains,
> area knowledge, and so forth. For more info on the mechanics of
> GeoBadges, see the AGS blog post[2].
>
> We have a special deal during OSMGeoweek: Anyone who maps in any of
> the #100Mapathons, #MissingMaps, #PeaceCorps, or #HOT events during
> OSMGeoweek will be eligible to claim the badge. Just make sure to
> comment your changeset with one of the 2015 OSMGeoweek hashtags so we
> can find it. 
>
> Happy Mapping, everyone...
>
> [1] http://bit.ly/1NAhybF
> [2] http://bit.ly/1Pwsi0G  
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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Hartmut Holzgraefe]

On 17.11.2015 11:46, Sven Geggus wrote:


Mal ehrlich: Findest Du wirklich, dass man bei einer solchen Briefmarke
wirklich einen Copyrightnotiz verlangen sollte?


In diesem speziellen Fall, bei dieser speziellen Art von Behörde:
auf jeden Fall!

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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Mattiszik, Michael]

Am 17. November 2015 um 11:46 schrieb Sven Geggus <
li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de>:

> Mal ehrlich: Findest Du wirklich, dass man bei einer solchen Briefmarke
> wirklich einen Copyrightnotiz verlangen sollte?
>

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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Christoph Hormann]

On Tuesday 17 November 2015, Sven Geggus wrote:
>
> Sieht so aus, aber ehrlich gesagt kotzen mich diese Copyright Nazis
> imzwischen sowas von an, dass ich mir echt eine Lizenz ohne
> Namensnennung wünschen würde. Mir ist der virale Charakter der Lizenz
> echt wichtig, aber diese namensnennungs Masturbation kotzt micht echt
> an.

Ein sinnvoller Ansatz eine Grenze zu ziehen wäre hier die Anwendung der 
amerikanischen 'fair use'-Kriterien.  Fair use wird zwar oft falsch 
interpretiert, Fälle wie der hier fallen aber recht eindeutig darunter.  
Und auch wenn das rechtlich in Deutschland natürlich nichts bedeutet 
bietet es sich an, in solchen Fällen die Grenze an der selben Stelle zu 
ziehen und bei eindeutigen 'fair use'-Verwendungen nicht auf eine 
Attributierung zu bestehen.

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Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM Carto: White Roads & Road Widths

[Dave F.]

On 04/11/2015 17:36, Lester Caine wrote:
The simple answer is secondary, tertiary and unclassified roads in 
many areas of the world have the same importance, so rendering them 
drastically differently is a mistake!


If, as you state, there are no differences in some areas, they shouldn't 
be tagged differently. Pick one class & map them all as that.


These tags are for use where there is a clear distinction.


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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Stephan Knauss]

Habe gerade kein so tolles Netz, aber ist der Fossgis als gemeinnützig 
anerkannt? Dann könnte er sich, bzw. OSM in die Bußgeldliste eintragen lassen. 
Dann können wir wirklich Spenden bekommen... 

Stephan 

On November 17, 2015 5:01:01 PM GMT+07:00, Andreas Schmidt 
 wrote:
>Internet ist ja auch Neuland.
>Es ist übrigens die Bußgeldstelle. Ob man die um eine Spende für OSM
>bitten könnte? So als pauschale Lizenzabgeltungsgebühr? :-)
>
>Am 17.11.2015 um 10:35 schrieb Hartmut Holzgraefe:
>> On 17.11.2015 10:26, Andreas Schmidt wrote:
>>>
>https://www.polizei.rlp.de/internet/nav/092/09250455-9958-bb31-7a52-f616a313445c.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nutzt die Polizei dort eine OSM-Karte und ist dort keine
>Urheber-Notiz
>>> vorhanden?
>>
>> ja, sieht so aus.
>>
>> Sieht aber auch so aus als ob wer auch immer die Seite gestaltet hat
>> auch von Web allgemein eher so wenig bis garkeine Ahnung hat?
>>
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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Michael Buege]

Zitat Hartmut Holzgraefe:

> On 17.11.2015 11:46, Sven Geggus wrote:
>
>> Mal ehrlich: Findest Du wirklich, dass man bei einer solchen Briefmarke
>> wirklich einen Copyrightnotiz verlangen sollte?
>
> In diesem speziellen Fall, bei dieser speziellen Art von Behörde:
> auf jeden Fall!

Attributierung nach Sympathielevel?

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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Hartmut Holzgraefe]

On 17.11.2015 12:30, Michael Buege wrote:

Zitat Hartmut Holzgraefe:


On 17.11.2015 11:46, Sven Geggus wrote:


Mal ehrlich: Findest Du wirklich, dass man bei einer solchen Briefmarke
wirklich einen Copyrightnotiz verlangen sollte?


In diesem speziellen Fall, bei dieser speziellen Art von Behörde:
auf jeden Fall!


Attributierung nach Sympathielevel?


Das hat mit Sympathie oder Antipathie nichts zu tun.

Es handelt sich hier um eine Behörde deren Aufgabe es ist geltendes
Recht durchzusetzen, die hat sich dann gefälligst auch selbst mit
gutem Beispiel voranzugehen.

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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Sven Geggus]

Christoph Hormann  wrote:

> Ein sinnvoller Ansatz eine Grenze zu ziehen wäre hier die Anwendung der 
> amerikanischen 'fair use'-Kriterien.  Fair use wird zwar oft falsch 
> interpretiert, Fälle wie der hier fallen aber recht eindeutig darunter.  
> Und auch wenn das rechtlich in Deutschland natürlich nichts bedeutet 
> bietet es sich an, in solchen Fällen die Grenze an der selben Stelle zu 
> ziehen und bei eindeutigen 'fair use'-Verwendungen nicht auf eine 
> Attributierung zu bestehen.

Das kann ich zu 100% unterscchreiben. Diese Aktion hier ist nicht dass erste
mal, dass es mir peinlich ist bei OSM Aktiv zu sein.

Es ist ein Himmelweiter Unterschied ob wie hier jemand einen kleinen
Kartenausschnitt zur Illustration verwendet und nicht attributiert oder ob
Firmen wie Mapbox, deren Geschäftsmodell ohne OSM gar nicht denkbar wäre,
das tun.

Gruss

Sven

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Editing previous data (was Re: more stats: data density in the Belgian regions)

[Marc Gemis]

Thanks for explaining the problems you encountered.

Since those early onroerend erfgoed nodes, I have changed my mapping
habits. This means that I solve  the problems that you mention (1
historic item matching multiple buildings/1 building/part of  a
building) myself now.

At this moment I still do both building drawing and adding house
numbers in 1 go, but I prefer to work more in residential areas
(individual houses) than town centers (rows of houses).

regards

m

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Glenn Plas  wrote:
> I agree, since there were not too many individual houses in the city, it
> was a lot better (plus nominatim can find nodes addresses).  They were
> -for a long time- the only house numbers we had in OSM.
>
> Sometimes it's in fact difficult as a monument can be a facade which
> encompasses 3 house numbers.  So I had to check the 'onroerenderfgoed'
> links to make sure what house numbers they refer to.
>
> Often it's a 1 on 1 downward merge , but I've seen plenty of cases where
> there is a 1-house size offset.
>
> All in all, I would say AGIV is pretty accurate for Mechelen (I did all
> of Zemst, Bonheiden and Mechelen now) but there are still issues of more
> recent data not being there (and the house + number exist).  New
> street(names), demolished buildings still in the AGIV database etc. it's
> never complete.  But I believe the results OSM Mechelen vs Google
> Mechelen is worth it.
> http://aptum.bitless.be/?pcode=2800=true=
>
> You also need a house/building to be there to work efficiently, I found
> a lot of errors on corners ( that leaded me to the conclusion that most
> house numbers where 'guessed' by using other sources , or by
> extrapolating, not too scientific.
>
> I think I did a lot of them now.  wish I had a decent analysis tool to
> show me exactly how much crab work I've done so far, but to conclude:
>
>  - having decent buildings before migration house numbers is almost
> essential.
>  - mapping houses together with numbers is painstakingly slow.  Better
> create houses first, then later on (days, months, whatever) they will be
> visible on the map when you start with phase 2:
>  - mapping house numbers.  Sanders tool is essential, especially the
> integration with JOSM remote control.
>  - extra care needs to be taken when you have existing data, associated
> street relations will be deleted (most of them yours too ;-) once a road
> is completed, all the houses are there.
>  - Sometimes there is NO house number attached to the 'erfgoed',   So I
> have to check the inventory to see what it applies to.
>  - Sometimes is also needed to make it more complex, like
> https://inventaris.onroerenderfgoed.be/dibe/relict/88684 ->
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5620662
>  - There have been occasions where I used the erfgoed information to
> validate a house number.
>
> You don't want to change the house number on the erfgoed itself, as that
> would be inacurate, just to accommodate the map (or routers), hence you
> need to change that single node into a site relation (which I think is
> very well suited for this)
>
> I believe that was a good call you made by making nodes. migration that
> information with the terracing plugin is as easy as doing CTRL+shift+T
>
> Cheers!
>
> Glenn
>
> On 17-11-15 13:30, Marc Gemis wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Glenn Plas  wrote:
>>> and I encountered many
>>> 'monumenten' from you, which I nicely migrated from node to buildings :)
>>
>> that's very kind of you. I didn't do that from the beginning, because
>> it was too difficult to find the location of the house numbers back
>> then. We didn't had AGIV CRAB. I thought individual nodes were easier
>> to merge/reposition than badly shaped/positioned building areas.
>>
>> What is your opinion ?
>>
>> regards
>>
>> m
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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 11/17/2015 11:46 AM, Sven Geggus wrote:
> kotzen ... Nazis ... Masturbation ... anpöbeln.

Bloss weil heute mal wieder Pegida in Karlsruhe ist, musst Du ja nicht
gleich in die Luft gehen.

Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] more stats: data density in the Belgian regions

[Glenn Plas]

Hi Joost,

I get your point, I was kind of cherry picking a small part of the
discussion.  I was thinking about the same in the back of my mind,
trying to find users that 'do the same'.  In my case that would probably
be postal code (AGIV) work ... lately.  I tend to move on as well in my
work.  I used to be into putting buildings on the map.

I find it easier to monitor an area and then analysing changeset that
the rss feeds shows me.  You'll be surprised how much crap you find.  In
my case half of them are from Marc, which I kind of skip.. since I know
what work he delivers I just glance over them.  But some are worth fixing...

On the subject of analyses (centered around last touched), those are plenty.

So with a detour, I kind of did answer 'how do I find mappers with
similar interests?' . For me that is simple: they are geographically
close the my area's of interest, which are spread over a number of
locations.

You might want to start to read from this page :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_Studies ( and the links)

http://www.cs.nuim.ie/~pmooney/OSM-CAT/

There are more of those user analysis docs scattered all over the wiki.
Make sure you're not re-inventing the wheel here. You're probably aware
of this url as well (sure Marc is) http://hdyc.neis-one.org/

It's not easy but I love to help analysing the data, I've done this for
about 8 years now, it's fascinating.

Glenn


On 17-11-15 08:38, joost schouppe wrote:
> Glenn,
> 
> You are saying this doesn't solve a problem which we weren't trying to
> solve.
> 
> My mail was a response on Marc about how you could find mappers with
> similar interests as yourself. So the suggestion was to take some
> tagging you use often, and see who has an interest in these things. Yes,
> it would be nice to see who actually created these things in the first
> place, but as a crude measure it might be worth exploring.
> 
> 
> 2015-11-17 9:11 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas  >:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Last touched says nothing imho.  What does that really mean?  If you
> want to monitor an area for (auditing) changes use :
> 
> http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/
> 
> in combination with OSM history viewer.
> 
> http://osmhv.openstreetmap.de/index.jsp
> 
> You cannot measure contributions in this way.  Some are small but hard
> work, some are large but easy.
> 
> Just like the number of edits it says nothing and drawing conclusions
> from it is futile and leads to empty conclusions.
> 
> The map will never be complete anyway, it's a dynamic thing.
> 
> Glenn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 17-11-15 07:18, joost schouppe wrote:
> > Marc,
> >
> > I was thinking about your "similar mappers" idea. of course, you can
> > make this very complicated (create a dataset of actions by users, then
> > let loose a similarity algorithm). However, it can also be very simple.
> > For example, using this [1] Overpass Turbo query, you can  get the
> > usernames of all the mappers who last touched a historic=monument thing.
> > It wouldn't be very hard to do this for a larger area and aggregate by
> > user, so as to see who thee bigger contributors are. It is a crude
> > measure, but it's just to get a list of people whose work you might want
> > to check out, so I think it would do.
> > You might want to download without the geometry and without first
> > loading in your browser when checking larger areas or wider queries.
> >
> > [1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/cMm
> >
> > 2015-11-10 17:31 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis  
> > >>:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:17 AM, joost schouppe
> > 
> >>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > As to the thing you want to do with similar mappers: does it
> > have to be a history file? I'm not sure, and if it isn't, it's
> > probably easier to do it on a snapshot. That would make
> regular
> > updating also easier.
> >
> >
> > On a snapshot is fine. No need to find who was mapping the
> same as me.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That said, I can release some of my intermediate files as
> tables
> > or csv, someone might be able to make some kind of website out
> > of that. But that would again be with a local scope, as I
> don't
> > have the capacity to process global files at once. (I cut
> up the
> > world in little pieces to run analysis, but that means you
> need
> > to finish a processing script before rolling it out, and
> I'm not
> > good at finishing 

[Talk-cz] Vandalismus (?) v Celakovicich

[Pavel Machek]

Ahoj!

Zda-se ze nekdo posunul par bodu z Celakovic kamsi daleko na
jiho-vychod. Je to jasne videt, protoze tam natahnul i modrou
znacku...

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Re: [Talk-cz] Vandalismus (?) v Celakovicich

[Petr Vejsada]

To není vandalizmus, Petr Dlouhý, changeset 35079371, nejspíš chytil pár 
samotných uzlů a přetáhl je kam neměl.

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Dne Út 17. listopadu 2015 12:22:49, Pavel Machek napsal(a):

> Ahoj!
> 
> Zda-se ze nekdo posunul par bodu z Celakovic kamsi daleko na
> jiho-vychod. Je to jasne videt, protoze tam natahnul i modrou
> znacku...
> 
>   Pavel

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[Talk-GB] Novermber Derby pub meeting

[SK53]

Sorry for the rather late notice, but I am postponing this meeting until
next Tuesday, 23rd November 19:30 at the Silk Mill. Details are now updated
on the wiki.

My fault, I'd not realised I'd chosen this week rather than next week when
I set the dates at the start of the year, and although Andy pointed this
out to me I've  been a bit under the weather the last couple of days too.

Sorry for any inconvenience caused.

Jerry
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Re: [Talk-GB] Novermber Derby pub meeting

[SK53]

That should of course be 24th November.

On 17 November 2015 at 15:23, SK53  wrote:

> Sorry for the rather late notice, but I am postponing this meeting until
> next Tuesday, 23rd November 19:30 at the Silk Mill. Details are now updated
> on the wiki.
>
> My fault, I'd not realised I'd chosen this week rather than next week when
> I set the dates at the start of the year, and although Andy pointed this
> out to me I've  been a bit under the weather the last couple of days too.
>
> Sorry for any inconvenience caused.
>
> Jerry
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Re: [Talk-es] I Flash Map Mob

[Miguel Sevilla-Callejo]

¡Qué buena idea esto del FlasMapMob! ¡Me gusta!

No creo que haya masa crítica en Zaragoza para moverlo, si no sería una
buena idea coordinarnos en varias ciudades.

Ya nos contareis como fué.

Un saludo

M

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*Doctor en Geografía | Doctor in Geography*
*Consultor freelance e investigador | Freelance Consultant & Researcher*
Colaborador del Instituto Pirenaico de Ecología, CSIC, Zaragoza | Fellow at
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2015-11-16 17:09 GMT+01:00 Moises Arcos :

> Buenas tardes,
>
> desde Geoinquietos Sevilla hemos organizado nuestra I Flash Map Mob [1].
>
> En lo que consiste es en quedar en un café repartirnos las calles aledañas
> y mediante una aplicación móvil subir los datos de los comercios, bares,
> restaurantes ... que nos vayamos encontrando en la calle asignada.
>
> Queremos replicar este caso [2] y ver si es factible ponerlo en marcha en
> una Mapping Party, ya que hemos notado que el grueso de la información que
> se recoge en las Mappings después no se sube, ya que se dispersa el
> espíritu de colaboración al tener que hacerlo uno en casa sólo.
>
> Todo el que quiera participar que se registre en el meetup!!!
>
> Es un evento en Sevilla, pero que se puede hacer extensible fácilmente al
> resto de ciudades.
>
> Un saludo
>
> [1]
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Editing previous data (was Re: more stats: data density in the Belgian regions)

[Glenn Plas]

I agree, since there were not too many individual houses in the city, it
was a lot better (plus nominatim can find nodes addresses).  They were
-for a long time- the only house numbers we had in OSM.

Sometimes it's in fact difficult as a monument can be a facade which
encompasses 3 house numbers.  So I had to check the 'onroerenderfgoed'
links to make sure what house numbers they refer to.

Often it's a 1 on 1 downward merge , but I've seen plenty of cases where
there is a 1-house size offset.

All in all, I would say AGIV is pretty accurate for Mechelen (I did all
of Zemst, Bonheiden and Mechelen now) but there are still issues of more
recent data not being there (and the house + number exist).  New
street(names), demolished buildings still in the AGIV database etc. it's
never complete.  But I believe the results OSM Mechelen vs Google
Mechelen is worth it.
http://aptum.bitless.be/?pcode=2800=true=

You also need a house/building to be there to work efficiently, I found
a lot of errors on corners ( that leaded me to the conclusion that most
house numbers where 'guessed' by using other sources , or by
extrapolating, not too scientific.

I think I did a lot of them now.  wish I had a decent analysis tool to
show me exactly how much crab work I've done so far, but to conclude:

 - having decent buildings before migration house numbers is almost
essential.
 - mapping houses together with numbers is painstakingly slow.  Better
create houses first, then later on (days, months, whatever) they will be
visible on the map when you start with phase 2:
 - mapping house numbers.  Sanders tool is essential, especially the
integration with JOSM remote control.
 - extra care needs to be taken when you have existing data, associated
street relations will be deleted (most of them yours too ;-) once a road
is completed, all the houses are there.
 - Sometimes there is NO house number attached to the 'erfgoed',   So I
have to check the inventory to see what it applies to.
 - Sometimes is also needed to make it more complex, like
https://inventaris.onroerenderfgoed.be/dibe/relict/88684 ->
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5620662
 - There have been occasions where I used the erfgoed information to
validate a house number.

You don't want to change the house number on the erfgoed itself, as that
would be inacurate, just to accommodate the map (or routers), hence you
need to change that single node into a site relation (which I think is
very well suited for this)

I believe that was a good call you made by making nodes. migration that
information with the terracing plugin is as easy as doing CTRL+shift+T

Cheers!

Glenn

On 17-11-15 13:30, Marc Gemis wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Glenn Plas  wrote:
>> and I encountered many
>> 'monumenten' from you, which I nicely migrated from node to buildings :)
> 
> that's very kind of you. I didn't do that from the beginning, because
> it was too difficult to find the location of the house numbers back
> then. We didn't had AGIV CRAB. I thought individual nodes were easier
> to merge/reposition than badly shaped/positioned building areas.
> 
> What is your opinion ?
> 
> regards
> 
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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Sven Geggus]

Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> Bloss weil heute mal wieder Pegida in Karlsruhe ist, musst Du ja nicht
> gleich in die Luft gehen.

Es gibt wichtigers auf dieser Welt als fehlende Attribution echt. Man tut
dem Projekt als Ganzes sicher keinen Gefallen, wenn man sich dauernd bei
Nutzern darüber beschwert. Nervt mich eigentlich schon länger.

Gruss

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[Talk-de] Flughafen in Mapnik

[Markus]

Wenn man wissen möchte, wo in DE (oder anderswo)
die grossen Verkehrsflughäfen sind,
dann wäre eine Übersicht z.B. in z=7 hilfreich.

Flughäfen werden derzeit aber erst ab z=10 gerendert.

Und dort sieht man dann auch gleich alle Flughäfen,
ohne Unterscheidung von "gross" und klein...

Mit aerodrome=* (international,regional,gliding,private)
müsste doch schon eine gute Differenzierung möglich sein.

Ein tag für "Grösse" (Passagier-/Fracht-Umsatz) habe ich nicht gefunden.

Mit herzlichem Gruss,
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[talk-latam] Semanario Nr. 277

[Laura Barroso]

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[Talk-es] Semanario Nr. 277

[Laura Barroso]

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] more stats: data density in the Belgian regions

[Glenn Plas]

Never , I take great care over your OSM crap!  I've about finished
Mechelen housenumbers (took me about a year), and I encountered many
'monumenten' from you, which I nicely migrated from node to buildings :)

Here are some nice analysis maps : http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/

src: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stats#Contributor_statistics_reports

The difficulty in doing this analysis is the historical factor.  I still
think it's possible to do it, find all monuments, then get the histories
of those.  All that data together , you might find all kinds of
interesting things.

Glenn


On 17-11-15 12:10, Marc Gemis wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Glenn Plas  wrote:
>> You'll be surprised how much crap you find.  In
>> my case half of them are from Marc, which I kind of skip.. since I know
>> what work he delivers I just glance over them.  But some are worth fixing...
> 
> For a moment I thought you wrote that my stuff is crap :-)
> 
> But you're right, it's always better to check a changeset, no matter
> who made it.
> 
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[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2015-11-14

[Dave Hansen]

These are based off of Lambertus's work here:

http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.

Downloads:

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-11-14

Map to visualize what each file contains:


http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-11-14/kml/kml.html


FAQ



Why did you do this?

I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
on removable media.  

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-11-14

Can or should I seed the torrents?

Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
side of the Atlantic.

Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?

There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
want to update if you had issues with the last set.

Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?

If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB
file.

Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?

Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
non-US area to get included, let me know. 

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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Florian Lohoff]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 04:43:04PM +, Sven Geggus wrote:
> Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> 
> > Bloss weil heute mal wieder Pegida in Karlsruhe ist, musst Du ja nicht
> > gleich in die Luft gehen.
> 
> Es gibt wichtigers auf dieser Welt als fehlende Attribution echt. Man tut
> dem Projekt als Ganzes sicher keinen Gefallen, wenn man sich dauernd bei
> Nutzern darüber beschwert. Nervt mich eigentlich schon länger.

Aber das ist doch alles so dermaßen vorprogrammiert mit der Lizenz. Das
ist doch auch erst die Spitze des Eisbergs. Wenn du eine Lizenz
draufklebst dann musst du sie auch Durchsetzen. Das muss ein Staat
mit seinen Gesetzen auch. Wenn du es nicht durchsetzt kannst du es
dir gleich komplett Sparen.

Ich habe das lang und breit bei dem Lizenzwechsel Diskutiert. Ich war
und bin der überzeugung das PD/CC0 mit einer Art "Social Contract"
wie bei Debian die beste Geschichte wäre. Dann MUSS man die Lizenz
nicht durchsetzen aber man kann zur Not auch eine "Hall of Shame"
pflegen wer es eben nicht tut.

Ich habe von vorneherein nicht verstanden was die OSMF da versucht
zu beschützen. Die waren Werte von OSM sind nicht die Daten sondern
die Community - und mit der kann man nicht wegrennen.

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Re: [Talk-de] Flughafen in Mapnik

[Joachim]

Aerodrome=* ist noch nicht in der Renderingdatenbank. Hier ist alles
und mehr was du zum Thema wissen möchtest:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1143
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/1734

PS: Der Standardstil heißt OpenStreetMap Carto oder OSM-Carto.

Am 17. November 2015 um 17:44 schrieb Markus :
> Wenn man wissen möchte, wo in DE (oder anderswo)
> die grossen Verkehrsflughäfen sind,
> dann wäre eine Übersicht z.B. in z=7 hilfreich.
>
> Flughäfen werden derzeit aber erst ab z=10 gerendert.
>
> Und dort sieht man dann auch gleich alle Flughäfen,
> ohne Unterscheidung von "gross" und klein...
>
> Mit aerodrome=* (international,regional,gliding,private)
> müsste doch schon eine gute Differenzierung möglich sein.
>
> Ein tag für "Grösse" (Passagier-/Fracht-Umsatz) habe ich nicht gefunden.
>
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Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

[Steven Johnson]

Hi Simon,
The developers selected the Credly platform specifically so that the OSM
community is not in the business of collecting and managing personally
identifiable information (PII). Also, we're doing two things to insure
GeoBadges users understand terms and conditions of the badging process:

1. We're adding language to the 'About' section of the site to clarify the
relationship: *"**For GeoBadge earning and issuing, we work with the
Credly.com platform. Credly manages all earner-level data and security. By
partnering with Credly, we can help earners increase the impact of their
achievements by sharing it on social media platforms and connecting to
other digital badging projects that also use Credly. To learn more about
Credly, visit credly.com .*

*GeoBadges complies with the COPPA and DCMA laws of the United States. Only
individuals age 13+ are eligible to earn GeoBadges. If any content on the
site seems inappropriate or out of compliance, please contact us
immediately at geobad...@americangeo.org ."*

2. We're removing the Grade 3-5 option, since clearly that would be
marketed to under 13.

Thanks for your concern. Hope I've addressed your question. Best regards,


-- SEJ
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On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:

>
> I assume that you have got legal advice on the COPPA related consequences
> of your activities and are willing to share this with the OSMF?
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 17.11.2015 um 02:45 schrieb Steven Johnson:
>
> Hello list,
>
> Just in time for #OSMGeoweek, TeachOSM with support from Mapstory.org and
> American Geographical Society, has released the first OpenStreetMap
> Surveyor I badge.[1]
>
> The badge is aimed at the newest open mappers of any age and is awarded
> for successful acquisition of basic editing skills on OpenStreetMap. We
> envision this badge to be the first in a constellation of more specialized
> badges based on skill sets, domains, area knowledge, and so forth. For more
> info on the mechanics of GeoBadges, see the AGS blog post[2].
>
> We have a special deal during OSMGeoweek: Anyone who maps in any of the
> #100Mapathons, #MissingMaps, #PeaceCorps, or #HOT events during OSMGeoweek
> will be eligible to claim the badge. Just make sure to comment your
> changeset with one of the 2015 OSMGeoweek hashtags so we can find it.
>
> Happy Mapping, everyone...
>
> [1] http://bit.ly/1NAhybF
> [2] http://bit.ly/1Pwsi0G 
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[Talk-cl] Semanario Nr. 277

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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Heinz-Jürgen Oertel]

Am Dienstag, 17. November 2015, 18:45:50 schrieb Florian Lohoff:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 04:43:04PM +, Sven Geggus wrote:
> > Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> > 
> > > Bloss weil heute mal wieder Pegida in Karlsruhe ist, musst Du ja nicht
> > > gleich in die Luft gehen.
> > 
> > Es gibt wichtigers auf dieser Welt als fehlende Attribution echt. Man tut
> > dem Projekt als Ganzes sicher keinen Gefallen, wenn man sich dauernd bei
> > Nutzern darüber beschwert. Nervt mich eigentlich schon länger.
> 
> Aber das ist doch alles so dermaßen vorprogrammiert mit der Lizenz. Das
> ist doch auch erst die Spitze des Eisbergs. Wenn du eine Lizenz
> draufklebst dann musst du sie auch Durchsetzen. Das muss ein Staat
> mit seinen Gesetzen auch. Wenn du es nicht durchsetzt kannst du es
> dir gleich komplett Sparen.
> 
> Ich habe das lang und breit bei dem Lizenzwechsel Diskutiert. Ich war
> und bin der überzeugung das PD/CC0 mit einer Art "Social Contract"
> wie bei Debian die beste Geschichte wäre. Dann MUSS man die Lizenz
> nicht durchsetzen aber man kann zur Not auch eine "Hall of Shame"
> pflegen wer es eben nicht tut.
> 
> Ich habe von vorneherein nicht verstanden was die OSMF da versucht
> zu beschützen. Die waren Werte von OSM sind nicht die Daten sondern
> die Community - und mit der kann man nicht wegrennen.
> 
> Flo
> 
gutes Statement (oder wie auch immer das auf Deutsch heißt)

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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Sven Geggus]

Florian Lohoff  wrote:

> Ich habe das lang und breit bei dem Lizenzwechsel Diskutiert. Ich war
> und bin der überzeugung das PD/CC0 mit einer Art "Social Contract"
> wie bei Debian die beste Geschichte wäre. 

Das letzte was ich hier jetzt anzetteln wollte war die hundertste
Lizenzdiskussion.

Ich bin nach wie vor der Meinung, dass es gut ist eine GPL-artigen Lizenz zu
haben. Den Attributtierungszwang sehe ich allerdings zunehmend kritisch,
denn der bringt niemandem was.

Wie auch immer. Es kommt drauf an wie man das lebt und bei solch kleinen
snippets täten wir IMO besser daran das da nicht auf die namensnennung zu
bestehen.

Gruss

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Re: [Talk-it] Mancata attribuzione

[Simone Cortesi]

2015-11-17 9:36 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
>> CIT: "in una mappa elettronica navigabile, i crediti devono essere
>> mostrati nell'angolo della mappa .."
> questo è un'interpretazione/desiderio  nostro/a però, non è scritto nella 
> licenza

è pero' consuetudine farlo.

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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Florian Lohoff]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:06:10PM +0100, Simon Poole wrote:
> Du wiederholst nur den gleichen alten Schmarrn. Der Lizenzgeber kann in
> seinem eigenen Ermessen entscheiden wie und wann er allfällige
> Lizenzverletzungen verfolgt oder nicht, bis jetzt hat immer hat mehr
> oder weniger sanfter Druck gereicht (von wegen "nicht plant").

Okay - ich suche mir jetzt also alle Mapper die in dem Ausschnitt
was gemacht haben (Es ist ja keine Slippy Map sondern nur
ein Ausschnitt) und die sind die alleinigen die die Verletzung
verfolgen dürfen? Ich sehe was du mir sagen willst und ja - nur der
Rechteinhaber hat das Recht seine Lizenz durchzusetzen. Aber das ist
doch gar nicht der Punkt!?!? 

Aus den Deutschen Contributor Terms:

" ... Unterlizenzen und das Recht der Klage gegen jede
Urheberrechtsverletzung, welche im direkten Zusammenhang mit den der
OSMF unter dieser Vereinbarung eingeräumten Rechte steht, ein."

Damit hat sich die OSMF ein RECHT einräumen lassen gegen
Urheberrechtsverstöße vorzugehen. Für den Otto-Normal-Mapper entspringt
damit auch die PFLICHT oder besser Erwartung das sie eben dieses auch
tut. Dann sind wir bei §14 GG "Eigentum verpflichtet".

Wenn jetzt die OSMF das nicht konsequent macht werden hier Erwartungen
von Mappern enttäuscht weil jeder einzeln je nach persöhnlicher
Präferenz dagegen vorgehen muss. Mir Persöhnlich ist das ziemlich egal was die
korrekte Nennung von OSM angeht oder die Nutzung der Daten in
kommerziellen Produkten. Wie wir aber in diesem Thread sehen gibt es
durchaus Mapper die das GANZ anders sehen. Die auch und gerade bei der
Nutzung in diesem Fall drauf bestehen das eine korrekte Nennung von OSM
stattfindet.

Die Fragen für mich sind:

a) Wer verfolgt für OSM die Urheberrechtsverstöße?
b) Nach welchen Regeln wird gegen Verstöße vorgegangen?
c) Wenn es nicht die OSMF ist warum mussten dann alle Mapper die CT
   absegnen und der OSMF ein sonderrecht einräumen?
d) Wenn die OSMF nicht plant systematisch Urheberrechtsverstößen
   nachzugehen warum haben wir dann DIESE Lizenz?  Denn wenn wir
   auf die durchsetzung des Rechts verzichten hätte man das auch
   gleich in der Lizensierung anders gestalten können. Dann müssten
   wir jetzt nicht klarstellungen zu geocoding resultaten schreiben
   etc etc etc. 

Wenn die OSMF die in meinen Augen die Verpflichtung eingegangen ist OSM
Urheberrechtlich zu schützen auf dieses Recht "verzichtet" dann ist die
Lizenz und die CT nichts wert. Dann sind wir wieder bei meinem initialen
Vorschlag doch lieber das ganze ethisch moralische zu betrachten.

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Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

[Simon Poole]

Hi Kate

The changes on Geobadges are naturally OK (in a way, more see below)  it
just isn't backed up by measures on the OSMF side. Aka we don't do any
age checking at all and I'm slightly concerned that addressing US youths
and only having (whatever) enforcement for half of the equation is not
such a good idea. I'm further slightly concerned that multi-million
budget US based organisations, likely with dozens of highly paid
in-house lawyers, need me to point out their local legislation to them.

The more general, relevant for OSM, issue is that we should fix the
problem properly where we can, given that sooner or later we wont be
able to ignore it. And it seems that it is now "sooner".  Either arrange
things that we are either exempt from getting consent from the parents,
having a procedure in place for this to be documented or at least some
measures in place that outline what the potential dangers are (doodling
"my home" on the map has a different quality if a 60 year does it than a
10 year old) . 

To be clear: "I" don't want to exclude a 12 year old US resident that is
interested in collecting  data in their neighbourhood from making
surveying for OSM their hobby*, as a result I'm slightly unhappy with
the above, but short term it is likely the only thing we can do.

As to "people all over the world are encouraging teenagers": there are
likely numerous other countries where their is similar legislation. it
is simply that the US is a  well known case. The oldest discussions of
this go back to at least 2009 (before I was an active member of the
community). From the LWG side, if I'm not totally mistaken, the policy
has always been to not specifically target children and youths. This may
have been considered so sensitive that it was never minuted,, but the
current and past board members that were involved are well aware of this.

Simon


* personal opinion as a parent is that I don't see a value in trying to
get kids to spend even more time in from of a screen simply arm
chairing, but going outside collecting stuff, great.

Am 17.11.2015 um 22:11 schrieb Kate Chapman:
> Hi Simon,
>
> What do you mean by address the OSM side of things? People all over
> the world are encouraging teenagers to contribute to OSM, this has
> been on going for years. Steven removed the part which encouraged
> people under the age of 13. What is the issue?
>
> -Kate
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Simon Poole  > wrote:
>
> Thais good, but doesn't address the OSM side of things.
>
> Historically, aka pre 2013 revision of COPPA, we couldn't touch
> sub 13teeners with a long pole. That may have improved a bit,
> theoretically, with the 2013 revision of COPPA, but nobody has
> actually done the foot- and paperwork involved to find out and
> address any issues.
>
> I don't want to dig too deep in to the things that might be
> considered problematic given general US paranoia on such topics,
> but I would consider completely ignoring this a bit risky.
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 17.11.2015 um 19:03 schrieb Steven Johnson:
>> Hi Simon,
>> The developers selected the Credly platform specifically so that
>> the OSM community is not in the business of collecting and
>> managing personally identifiable information (PII). Also, we're
>> doing two things to insure GeoBadges users understand terms and
>> conditions of the badging process:
>>
>> 1. We're adding language to the 'About' section of the site to
>> clarify the relationship: /"//For GeoBadge earning and issuing,
>> we work with the Credly.com platform. Credly manages all
>> earner-level data and security. By partnering with Credly, we can
>> help earners increase the impact of their achievements by sharing
>> it on social media platforms and connecting to other digital
>> badging projects that also use Credly. To learn more about
>> Credly, visit credly.com ./
>> /
>> /
>> /GeoBadges complies with the COPPA and DCMA laws of the United
>> States. Only individuals age 13+ are eligible to earn GeoBadges.
>> If any content on the site seems inappropriate or out of
>> compliance, please contact us immediately
>> at geobad...@americangeo.org ."/
>> /
>> /
>> 2. We're removing the Grade 3-5 option, since clearly that would
>> be marketed to under 13.
>>
>> Thanks for your concern. Hope I've addressed your question. Best
>> regards,
>>
>>
>> -- SEJ
>> -- twitter: @geomantic
>> -- skype: sejohnson8
>>
>> "Wretches, utter wretches, keep your hands off beans!" -
>> v.141, /On Nature, /Empedocles
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Simon Poole > > wrote:
>>
>>
>> I assume that you have got legal advice on the COPPA related
>> consequences of your activities and are 

Re: [Talk-br] Editor para Android

[Tiago Fassoni A. A. Leite]

Qual editor? O novo?

2015-11-17 19:45 GMT-02:00 :

>
>
> O Editor para Android não salva ou pelo menos não consigo visualisar uma
> inclusão de POI que fiz usando o editor .
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Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Simon,

The groups releasing Geobadges "TeachOSM with support from Mapstory.org and
American Geographical Society" are not large multi-million dollar US
organizations. None of them have highly paid in-house lawyers. Thank you
for pointing out the legislation, do you hangout on all of the other
country specific lists to point out legislation to people?

I was an active member of the community in 2009 and I'm unaware of any
specific discussions of this nature. There have been efforts to perform
outreach to high schools and scouts at least since that time. If something
was too sensitive to minute, then how is anyone supposed to know that is
the case?

-Kate







On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> Hi Kate
>
> The changes on Geobadges are naturally OK (in a way, more see below)  it
> just isn't backed up by measures on the OSMF side. Aka we don't do any age
> checking at all and I'm slightly concerned that addressing US youths and
> only having (whatever) enforcement for half of the equation is not such a
> good idea. I'm further slightly concerned that multi-million budget US
> based organisations, likely with dozens of highly paid in-house lawyers,
> need me to point out their local legislation to them.
>
> The more general, relevant for OSM, issue is that we should fix the
> problem properly where we can, given that sooner or later we wont be able
> to ignore it. And it seems that it is now "sooner".  Either arrange things
> that we are either exempt from getting consent from the parents, having a
> procedure in place for this to be documented or at least some measures in
> place that outline what the potential dangers are (doodling "my home" on
> the map has a different quality if a 60 year does it than a 10 year old) .
>
> To be clear: "I" don't want to exclude a 12 year old US resident that is
> interested in collecting  data in their neighbourhood from making surveying
> for OSM their hobby*, as a result I'm slightly unhappy with the above, but
> short term it is likely the only thing we can do.
>
> As to "people all over the world are encouraging teenagers": there are
> likely numerous other countries where their is similar legislation. it is
> simply that the US is a  well known case. The oldest discussions of this go
> back to at least 2009 (before I was an active member of the community).
> From the LWG side, if I'm not totally mistaken, the policy has always been
> to not specifically target children and youths. This may have been
> considered so sensitive that it was never minuted,, but the current and
> past board members that were involved are well aware of this.
>
> Simon
>
>
> * personal opinion as a parent is that I don't see a value in trying to
> get kids to spend even more time in from of a screen simply arm chairing,
> but going outside collecting stuff, great.
>
>
> Am 17.11.2015 um 22:11 schrieb Kate Chapman:
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> What do you mean by address the OSM side of things? People all over the
> world are encouraging teenagers to contribute to OSM, this has been on
> going for years. Steven removed the part which encouraged people under the
> age of 13. What is the issue?
>
> -Kate
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:
>
>> Thais good, but doesn't address the OSM side of things.
>>
>> Historically, aka pre 2013 revision of COPPA, we couldn't touch sub
>> 13teeners with a long pole. That may have improved a bit, theoretically,
>> with the 2013 revision of COPPA, but nobody has actually done the foot- and
>> paperwork involved to find out and address any issues.
>>
>> I don't want to dig too deep in to the things that might be considered
>> problematic given general US paranoia on such topics, but I would consider
>> completely ignoring this a bit risky.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> Am 17.11.2015 um 19:03 schrieb Steven Johnson:
>>
>> Hi Simon,
>> The developers selected the Credly platform specifically so that the OSM
>> community is not in the business of collecting and managing personally
>> identifiable information (PII). Also, we're doing two things to insure
>> GeoBadges users understand terms and conditions of the badging process:
>>
>> 1. We're adding language to the 'About' section of the site to clarify
>> the relationship: *"**For GeoBadge earning and issuing, we work with the
>> Credly.com platform. Credly manages all earner-level data and security. By
>> partnering with Credly, we can help earners increase the impact of their
>> achievements by sharing it on social media platforms and connecting to
>> other digital badging projects that also use Credly. To learn more about
>> Credly, visit credly.com .*
>>
>> *GeoBadges complies with the COPPA and DCMA laws of the United States.
>> Only individuals age 13+ are eligible to earn GeoBadges. If any content on
>> the site seems inappropriate or out of compliance, please contact us
>> immediately at geobad...@americangeo.org 

[Talk-es] Mover valores del Nominatim del IGN

[Alejandro S.]

Hola a todos,

Estamos ya en pleno curso de introducción a OSM en Zaragoza y me surge una
duda. ¿Se pueden mover los puntos place=locality de la importación del
Nominatim del IGN si se sabe que no están correctamente situados? ¿O se
trata de puntos fijos como las fronteras y los vértices geodésicos?

Por ejemplo este nodo (que ha desplazado un alumno en su desconocimiento):
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1242148342

Un cordial saludo y espero vuestras respuestas.

Atentamente,
  Alejandro Suárez
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Re: [Talk-es] Mover valores del Nominatim del IGN

[Cruz Enrique Borges Hernandez]

Hasta donde yo me acuerdo de cuando se estuvo haciendo la importación había
una directrices de donde poner cada nodo. Si no recuerdo mal la idea
principal era "ponerlo en la plaza del ayuntamiento" así que no creo que
fueran "inmutables". En cualquier caso, has mirado en la wiki? Estas cosas
hay que documentarlas. Creo que la página relevante es:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:NGBE

En cualquier caso, tampoco es que las fronteras no sean editables sino que
"arreglarlar" una frontera suele llevar a consigo un conflicto
internacional :P

Saludos.

El 18 de noviembre de 2015, 0:33, Alejandro S. 
escribió:

> Hola a todos,
>
> Estamos ya en pleno curso de introducción a OSM en Zaragoza y me surge una
> duda. ¿Se pueden mover los puntos place=locality de la importación del
> Nominatim del IGN si se sabe que no están correctamente situados? ¿O se
> trata de puntos fijos como las fronteras y los vértices geodésicos?
>
> Por ejemplo este nodo (que ha desplazado un alumno en su desconocimiento):
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1242148342
>
> Un cordial saludo y espero vuestras respuestas.
>
> Atentamente,
>   Alejandro Suárez
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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Sven Geggus]

Florian Lohoff  wrote:

> Wie du schon sagst - "Lizenz oder attributierungs Nazis". Entweder alle
> oder keiner - Es kann ja keine "Nasenfaktor" Regel geben.

Das ist ja nicht wahr. Was wir dringen brauchen ist fair use auch wenn es
das im europäischen Copyright so nicht gibt.

Gruss

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Stand au Capitole du Libre 2015

[Laurent Combe]

en guise de réponse je reprend les propos de JB

"Bonjour,
Un petit mot pour indiquer que le rendu R25 orienté rando au 1:25000 passe
dans sa version 8. Les principales modifications au programme :
 - les courbes de niveau ne sont plus imprimées sur les étendues d'eau (une
amélioration de Maperitive le permet depuis quelques mois)
 - les traits indiquant le bas des falaises et autres talus et murets sont
imprimés sous les routes (idem)
 - rendu spécifique des tables d'orientation
 - divers résolutions de bugs, d'incohérences et autres maniaqueries, dont
la liste est indiquée dans la feuille de style.
Le téléchargement, tutoriels compris, se fait toujours ici :
http://jb.tradfrance.com/R25.zip
Je n'ai pas refait de série de démo depuis la mort d'osm107, mais le carnet
téléchargeable ici : http://jb.isonoe.net/CR/demo/Volcans_A5_d%C3%A9mo.pdf
utilise cette version (ou quasiment).
La légende à jour est également visible ici :
http://jb.isonoe.net/CR/demo/l%C3%A9gende8.png
JB."

Laurent


Le 17 novembre 2015 10:04, Jérôme Seigneuret  a
écrit :

> Bonjour,
>
>
>
 J'en suis !

 Pour ce qui est du matériel de promotion, je n'ai à disposition
 qu'une
 carte imprimée du Parc des Volcans d'Auvergne au format A0
 utilisant le
 style R25 de JB.

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/R25_Maperitive_style

 Le lien est mort sur la page en question
> http://osm107.openstreetmap.fr/jbtopo/
>
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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Florian Lohoff]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 06:52:39PM +, Sven Geggus wrote:
> Ich bin nach wie vor der Meinung, dass es gut ist eine GPL-artigen Lizenz zu
> haben. Den Attributtierungszwang sehe ich allerdings zunehmend kritisch,
> denn der bringt niemandem was.

Aber WAS willst du WIE durchsetzen? Wenn du Regeln aufstellst musst
du sie durchsetzen - Und das ist ein riesiges Problem auch im Free
Software/GPL Umfeld. Millionen kleine DSL Router sind unterwegs mit
GPL Software und keiner macht was "dagegen". Am Ende gibts dann so 
Jungs wie gpl-violations.org die dann versuchen das hier und da mal
durchzusetzen. Das ist aber ein Tropfen auf den heissen Stein.

> Wie auch immer. Es kommt drauf an wie man das lebt und bei solch kleinen
> snippets täten wir IMO besser daran das da nicht auf die namensnennung zu
> bestehen.

Wie du schon sagst - "Lizenz oder attributierungs Nazis". Entweder alle
oder keiner - Es kann ja keine "Nasenfaktor" Regel geben.

Die Attributierung sehe ich gar nicht als das Problem. Auch die Polizei
werden wir an der Stelle verschrecken. Eine Lizenz die IRGENDWAS 
von einem Nutzer fordert ist eine Hürde. Ich möchte die rechtliche Hürde
möglichst auf null bringen - für viele ist das Technische schon
schwierig genug.

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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Simon Poole]

Du vergisst natürlich nur eine Kleinigkeit (respektive redest dir seit
Jahren was schön) 

all die Daten die schon damals.und auch jetzt, in OSM sind die
mindestens einen indirekten Quellenhinweis verlangen.

Natürlich können wir, wenn wir jetzt aufhören Drittquellen zu verwenden,
so in ca. 70 Jahren auf eine Lizenz ohne Quellenhinweis umstellen. aber
das wird die meisten hier, inklusive mich, nicht mehr so wirklich
interessieren.

Simon

Am 17.11.2015 um 18:45 schrieb Florian Lohoff:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 04:43:04PM +, Sven Geggus wrote:
>> Frederik Ramm  wrote:
>>
>>> Bloss weil heute mal wieder Pegida in Karlsruhe ist, musst Du ja nicht
>>> gleich in die Luft gehen.
>> Es gibt wichtigers auf dieser Welt als fehlende Attribution echt. Man tut
>> dem Projekt als Ganzes sicher keinen Gefallen, wenn man sich dauernd bei
>> Nutzern darüber beschwert. Nervt mich eigentlich schon länger.
> Aber das ist doch alles so dermaßen vorprogrammiert mit der Lizenz. Das
> ist doch auch erst die Spitze des Eisbergs. Wenn du eine Lizenz
> draufklebst dann musst du sie auch Durchsetzen. Das muss ein Staat
> mit seinen Gesetzen auch. Wenn du es nicht durchsetzt kannst du es
> dir gleich komplett Sparen.
>
> Ich habe das lang und breit bei dem Lizenzwechsel Diskutiert. Ich war
> und bin der überzeugung das PD/CC0 mit einer Art "Social Contract"
> wie bei Debian die beste Geschichte wäre. Dann MUSS man die Lizenz
> nicht durchsetzen aber man kann zur Not auch eine "Hall of Shame"
> pflegen wer es eben nicht tut.
>
> Ich habe von vorneherein nicht verstanden was die OSMF da versucht
> zu beschützen. Die waren Werte von OSM sind nicht die Daten sondern
> die Community - und mit der kann man nicht wegrennen.
>
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Re: [Talk-hr] Missing Map Mapathlon – Radionica u sklopu OsmGeoWeeka

[hbogner]

Samo da vas podsjetim na sutra.

On 11/13/2015 08:52 PM, hbogner wrote:

http://osm-hr.org/2015/11/13/missing-map-osmgeoweek/

OSM Hrvatska [1], HrOSGeo [2], IT-sekcija Studentskog zbora Geodetskog
fakulteta[3] i OSGL Geodetskog fakulteta[4] pozivaju Vas na druženje i
učenje u sklopu OsmGeoWeek[5] radionice na kojoj ćemo kartirati u
OpenStreetMapu za humanitarne svrhe[6].

Radionicu organiziramo kao dio tjedna geografije[7], na međunarodni dan
GIS-a[8], 18. 11. 2015. s početkom u 17:00 sati na Geodetskom fakultetu
Sveučilišta u Zagrebu, Kačićeva 26.

Za sudjelovanje je potrebno obaviti prijavu[9] i ponijeti vlastito
prijenosno računalo.

Pogledajte detaljni program u prilogu i pridružite nam se. Ulaz
slobodan. Broj sudionika je ograničen na 50.

[1] http://osm-hr.org
[2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Croatia
[3] http://student.geof.unizg.hr/?page_id=41
[4] http://www.geof.unizg.hr/mod/book/view.php?id=1166
[5] http://osmgeoweek.org/
[6] http://osmgeoweek.org/projects/
[7]
http://education.nationalgeographic.com/programs/geographyawarenessweek/
[8] http://www.gisday.com/
[9]
http://www.eventbrite.com/e/osm-geo-awarenes-week-missing-map-mapathlon-zagreb-tickets-19477787587



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Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

[Simon Poole]

Am 18.11.2015 um 01:26 schrieb Kate Chapman:
> Hi Simon,
>
> The groups releasing Geobadges "TeachOSM with support from
> Mapstory.org and American Geographical Society" are not large
> multi-million dollar US organizations. None of them have highly paid
> in-house lawyers. Thank you for pointing out the legislation, do you
> hangout on all of the other country specific lists to point
> out legislation to people?
>
> I was an active member of the community in 2009 and I'm unaware of any
> specific discussions of this nature. There have been efforts to
> perform outreach to high schools and scouts at least since that time.
> If something was too sensitive to minute, then how is anyone supposed
> to know that is the case?
>
>
The 2009 public discussions were, well, public, and mainly in the
context of the contributor terms and other T (see the legal-talk
archives), further there is at least one draft of a OSM privacy policy
with relevant text (which likely started to bitrot immediately) see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Privacy_Policy_-_Discussion_Draft#Children
.

As to other records, there are two problems: a) the OSMF wiki site isn't
searchable so finding something is near impossible, and b) there is no
guarantee that something was minuted in the first place, particularly if
it was advice received from counsel (former boards have been very
concerned about that) As a result I can just relate hearsay that the
board or at least the subset that made up the LWG at the time, was
informed and aware of the issue.

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Re: [Talk-es] Mover valores del Nominatim del IGN

[Rafael Avila Coya]

Hola, Alejandro:

Al mover ese nodo de sitio lo único que estás haciendo es mejorar el
mapa, pues sabes que la posición correcta es la actual, y no la de la
versión anterior. De hecho, si ves el historial del nodo [1], la versión
anterior es la 2 (la actual vuestra es la 3). El usuario que creó esa
versión sobre la primera fue para limpiar en masa etiquetas inútiles de
esos nodos locality [2]. Entre esas etiquetas estaba note:es="Si
realizas algún cambio en este nodo, por favor, comunícalo a
nomenclatorign at gmail dot com. Gracias.", que pertenece a la versión 1.

En realidad, no tienes la obligación de comunicarlo a ese email. Se
supone que el IGN o los responsables de esa importación, si quieren ver
que nodos fueron modificados en su etiquetado o localización, o bien
eliminados, lo hagan por medio de algún script.

Yo, concretamente, moví ya una buena cantidad de esos nodos. Al
principio se lo comunicaba, pero ahora ya no lo hago, pues no tiene
sentido. Como digo, esos cambios los pueden controlar regularmente por
medio de software. Lo que nunca haría sería borra ninguno de esos nodos,
pues recuperar un objeto eliminado es un poco un rollo (salvo que ese
sitio (locality) estuviésemos completamente seguros de que no existe).

Un saludo,

Rafael Ávila Coya.

[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1242148342/history
[2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/27001391

On 18/11/15 00:33, Alejandro S. wrote:
> Hola a todos,
> 
> Estamos ya en pleno curso de introducción a OSM en Zaragoza y me surge
> una duda. ¿Se pueden mover los puntos place=locality de la importación
> del Nominatim del IGN si se sabe que no están correctamente situados? ¿O
> se trata de puntos fijos como las fronteras y los vértices geodésicos?
> 
> Por ejemplo este nodo (que ha desplazado un alumno en su desconocimiento):
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1242148342
> 
> Un cordial saludo y espero vuestras respuestas.
> 
> Atentamente,
>   Alejandro Suárez
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] more stats: data density in the Belgian regions

[Marc Gemis]

Indeed "last touched" does not mean that the mapper is actively adding
e.g. historic tag. It is possible that she added a house number or
improved the alignment of a building.
Nevertheless, Overpass queries are a starting point to find some
people that do map around a specific topic, especially rare topic or
things that are not modified to often (e.g. onroerend erfgoed or
fences). It won't work for certain road tags (e.g. who is adding
maxspeed)
Perhaps I should just be happy to see whether certain features are
mapped all over Belgium or not. And that is perfectly feasible with
Overpass.


Glenn, I'm not looking for auditing changes, I just want to know who
is also mapping historic buildings or heritage tags or fences or ...

regards

m

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Glenn Plas  wrote:
> Last touched says nothing imho.  What does that really mean?  If you
> want to monitor an area for (auditing) changes use :
>
> http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/
>
> in combination with OSM history viewer.
>
> http://osmhv.openstreetmap.de/index.jsp
>
> You cannot measure contributions in this way.  Some are small but hard
> work, some are large but easy.
>
> Just like the number of edits it says nothing and drawing conclusions
> from it is futile and leads to empty conclusions.
>
> The map will never be complete anyway, it's a dynamic thing.

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Re: [Talk-it] Application for local chapter status: Wikimedia Italia

[girarsi_liste]

Hi Paul,
I am in favour of the proposal.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] more stats: data density in the Belgian regions

[Marc Gemis]

An nice example is

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/cMw

It seems that only 3 people has mapped power=minor_line in Belgium so
far (I didn't click on all results): Sanderd17, Mercator and escada
This is clearly not a popular feature

Another interesting one is barrier=fence. Again some clusters in certain areas.

regards

m

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Marc Gemis  wrote:
> Indeed "last touched" does not mean that the mapper is actively adding
> e.g. historic tag. It is possible that she added a house number or
> improved the alignment of a building.
> Nevertheless, Overpass queries are a starting point to find some
> people that do map around a specific topic, especially rare topic or
> things that are not modified to often (e.g. onroerend erfgoed or
> fences). It won't work for certain road tags (e.g. who is adding
> maxspeed)
> Perhaps I should just be happy to see whether certain features are
> mapped all over Belgium or not. And that is perfectly feasible with
> Overpass.
>
>
> Glenn, I'm not looking for auditing changes, I just want to know who
> is also mapping historic buildings or heritage tags or fences or ...
>
> regards
>
> m
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Glenn Plas  wrote:
>> Last touched says nothing imho.  What does that really mean?  If you
>> want to monitor an area for (auditing) changes use :
>>
>> http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/
>>
>> in combination with OSM history viewer.
>>
>> http://osmhv.openstreetmap.de/index.jsp
>>
>> You cannot measure contributions in this way.  Some are small but hard
>> work, some are large but easy.
>>
>> Just like the number of edits it says nothing and drawing conclusions
>> from it is futile and leads to empty conclusions.
>>
>> The map will never be complete anyway, it's a dynamic thing.

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Re: [Talk-it] Application for local chapter status: Wikimedia Italia

[Oscar Formaggi]

Hi Paul,
I am in favour of the proposal.

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2015-11-17 8:53 GMT+01:00 Aury88 :

> Hi Paul,
> I am in favour and happy of the proposal.
>
> Aurelio (Aury88)
>
>
>
> -
> Ciao,
> Aury
> --
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] more stats: data density in the Belgian regions

[Glenn Plas]

Hi,

Last touched says nothing imho.  What does that really mean?  If you
want to monitor an area for (auditing) changes use :

http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/

in combination with OSM history viewer.

http://osmhv.openstreetmap.de/index.jsp

You cannot measure contributions in this way.  Some are small but hard
work, some are large but easy.

Just like the number of edits it says nothing and drawing conclusions
from it is futile and leads to empty conclusions.

The map will never be complete anyway, it's a dynamic thing.

Glenn




On 17-11-15 07:18, joost schouppe wrote:
> Marc,
> 
> I was thinking about your "similar mappers" idea. of course, you can
> make this very complicated (create a dataset of actions by users, then
> let loose a similarity algorithm). However, it can also be very simple.
> For example, using this [1] Overpass Turbo query, you can  get the
> usernames of all the mappers who last touched a historic=monument thing.
> It wouldn't be very hard to do this for a larger area and aggregate by
> user, so as to see who thee bigger contributors are. It is a crude
> measure, but it's just to get a list of people whose work you might want
> to check out, so I think it would do.
> You might want to download without the geometry and without first
> loading in your browser when checking larger areas or wider queries.
> 
> [1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/cMm
> 
> 2015-11-10 17:31 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis  >:
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:17 AM, joost schouppe
> > wrote:
> 
> 
> As to the thing you want to do with similar mappers: does it
> have to be a history file? I'm not sure, and if it isn't, it's
> probably easier to do it on a snapshot. That would make regular
> updating also easier.
> 
> 
> On a snapshot is fine. No need to find who was mapping the same as me. 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> That said, I can release some of my intermediate files as tables
> or csv, someone might be able to make some kind of website out
> of that. But that would again be with a local scope, as I don't
> have the capacity to process global files at once. (I cut up the
> world in little pieces to run analysis, but that means you need
> to finish a processing script before rolling it out, and I'm not
> good at finishing things)
> Some of the questions you asked have little to do with local
> context, so it might be more interesting to see how a thing like
> taginfo works and build upon that.
> 
> 
>  There national versions of taginfo for France and the UK. That is,
> they only look at the tags in 1 country.
> 
>  I saw all my questions in local, Belgian context. E.g. is there
> someone else mapping heritage buildings in Belgium, or am I the only
> one ? If not, we could get in touch and exchange ideas specific for
> Belgium. (or Flanders or ...)
> 
>  
> 
> 
> My personal interest is more about "map completeness" for road
> networks, landuse, amenities, etc; with a global scope. In the
> second place mapper inequality and remote mapping. For things
> like that, I don't see another approach than taking world
> history and cutting it in pieces...
>  
> 
> 
> Do you compare with an external source, or is something complete
> when less mappers are mapping it now compared to "yesterday" ? 
> 
> My first interest is what are we (the Belgian community) mapping
> now. This is somehow related to your "map completeness", something
> that is complete, will no longer be mapped. I'm looking forward to
> see what you mean with complete :-)
> 
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Re: [Talk-it] Non sarebbe il caso di conservare i dati storici?

[Maurizio Napolitano]

> Tra quattromila anni i ricercatori dell'Università di Titano
> potranno sapere cos'era quell'enorme scodella di pietra trovata in
> mezzo alla giungla del Parco Archeologico Terra. :-)

Forse potranno dire "guarda come gli utenti di openstreetmap hanno
disegnato la giugla del Parco Archeologico Terra"
Nel senso che dimentichi anche che c'è chi fa correzioni ai dati.

> Dite che i dati rimangono, ma come devo fare allora quando, ad
> esempio, cancello un incrocio con semaforo e ci metto una rotatoria?

Quello rimane nello storico del planet

> Finora aggiungevo il nuovo tracciato ed eliminavo il vecchio con la
> noncuranza di un unno. Dite che c'è modo di marcare come obsoleto il
> vecchio incrocio, e poi rivederlo?

personalmente preferisco riusare il nodo spostandolo, ma è solo una mia
follia.
Puoi anche cancellare, non ne capisco il problema, intanto la modifica
è registrata nel planet.

Guardati osm history renderer
https://github.com/MaZderMind/osm-history-renderer

In diversi lo abbiamo usato per fare animazioni dell'evoluzione di osm
Es.
https://vimeo.com/45714694

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[Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Andreas Schmidt]

https://www.polizei.rlp.de/internet/nav/092/09250455-9958-bb31-7a52-f616a313445c.htm


Nutzt die Polizei dort eine OSM-Karte und ist dort keine Urheber-Notiz
vorhanden?

Grüße
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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Hartmut Holzgraefe]

On 17.11.2015 10:26, Andreas Schmidt wrote:

https://www.polizei.rlp.de/internet/nav/092/09250455-9958-bb31-7a52-f616a313445c.htm


Nutzt die Polizei dort eine OSM-Karte und ist dort keine Urheber-Notiz
vorhanden?


ja, sieht so aus.

Sieht aber auch so aus als ob wer auch immer die Seite gestaltet hat 
auch von Web allgemein eher so wenig bis garkeine Ahnung hat?



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Stand au Capitole du Libre 2015

[Laurent Combe]

peut-on au moins maintenir une rencontre entre contributeurs OSM le samedi
après-midi ou le dimanche ?

Le 16 novembre 2015 22:37, Philippe Verdy  a écrit :

> Le lieu est fermé, cela ne devrait pas empêcher une réunion virtuelle en
> ligne... Nos projets doivent continuer, et les réunions maintenues même si
> elles sont plus petites.
>
> Mais l'heure est maintenant aux projets de cyberdéfense collaborative
> citoyenne, pour faire taire sur le net l'armée virtuelle des ennemis de la
> paix.
> On doit aider nos gouvernements et couper les communications des barbares
> assassins, violeurs et esclavagistes, qui blasphèment toutes les religions
> y compris celle qu'ils prétendent la leur, et qui justifient l'innommable
> par trop de mensonges, pour ne génèrer de gros profits que chez
> quelques-uns et détruire tout le reste autour.
>
> OSM c'est seulement un moyen de plus de développement pour tous, mais
> aucun développement n'est possible sans sécurité ni liberté. Existe-t-il un
> projet cartographique de cyberdéfense collaborative? Au moins pour faire du
> signalement, ou pour aider ceux qui sont en réelle difficulté, dont les
> réfugiés, et les protéger là où ils sont?
>
> On ne peut pas laisser les Etats décider seuls, ils n'en ont pas les
> moyens, ne savent pas s'entendre et en sont réduits à ne défendre en fin de
> compte que des intérets occultes où nous n'avons pas un mot à dire, ou bien
> ils prendront des mesures liberticides très contraignantes pour tout le
> monde, au risque certain d'aggraver les problèmes à court comme à long
> terme.
>
> Le 16 novembre 2015 21:45, orhygine  a écrit :
>
>> L’événement n'aura pas lieu.
>>
>> Plus d'informations ici https://2015.capitoledulibre.org/.
>>
>> Le 7 novembre 2015 12:01, Laurent Combe  a écrit :
>>
>>> on parlera un peu BANO c'est dans l'air du temps
>>> et le 82 (oui je sais c'est loin de toulouse) est vraiment en souffrance
>>>
>>> rien que sur montauban plus de 350 voies en ecart
>>> y a de quoi organiser une cartopartie, non ?
>>>
>>> bon à bientot
>>> en terme de dispo je ne suis pas encore sur d'etre disponible
>>> complètement sur ce week-end mais au moins une journée entière
>>> on peut se recontacter si besoin de s'organiser
>>>
>>> Laurent
>>>
>>> Le 6 novembre 2015 21:48, orhygine  a écrit :
>>>
 Salut Laurent,
 Merci d'avance pour ta participation.
 Christophe
 Le 6 nov. 2015 7:41 PM, "Laurent Combe"  a
 écrit :

> Bonsoir,
>
> je suis volontaire pour participer
>
> Laurent
>
> Le 2 novembre 2015 22:23, Sébastien Dinot  a
> écrit :
>
>> Bonsoir Christophe,
>>
>> orhygine a écrit :
>> > Y a-t-il d'autres contributeurs motivés pour être présents sur le
>> > stand et parler de leur passion ?
>>
>> J'en suis !
>>
>> Pour ce qui est du matériel de promotion, je n'ai à disposition qu'une
>> carte imprimée du Parc des Volcans d'Auvergne au format A0 utilisant
>> le
>> style R25 de JB.
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/R25_Maperitive_style
>>
>> Ce n'est pas grand chose mais elle en jette (merci JB).
>>
>> Sébastien
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-it] Mancata attribuzione

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 16.11.2015 um 23:33 schrieb Andrea Lattmann :
> 
> Data CC-By-SA by OpenStreetMap. I dati rilasciati CC-By-SA?? Non hanno fatto 
> un po di macelli?


cc-by-sa 2.0 unported è la licenza per dati prima di 8/2012, ed è anche la 
licenza dei tiles (cartografia osm), quindi potrebbe essere possibile (ma non 
probabile)

ciao 
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Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

[Paul Norman]

On 11/16/2015 6:09 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:

Hi Frederik,
Thanks for the suggestion and I appreciate the distinction. Because 
this is our first outing, we're sure that the badge will evolve and 
the requirements are terminology will evolve with them.


I would suggest "Editor" for the criteria listed on 
http://www.geobadges.org/#/pathway/564211c60b3048110032e5c2 and only to 
use Surveyor where someone has surveyed. To do otherwise is to mislead 
people as to someone's accomplishments.


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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Tom Pfeifer]

Nur wenn du vorher beim Mappen siebenmal den Blitzer auslöst, um
zu testen ob es sich um ein enforcement device oder eine fake_camera
handelt...

Andreas Schmidt wrote on 2015-11-17 11:01:

Internet ist ja auch Neuland.
Es ist übrigens die Bußgeldstelle. Ob man die um eine Spende für OSM
bitten könnte? So als pauschale Lizenzabgeltungsgebühr? :-)



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Re: [Talk-it] Application for local chapter status: Wikimedia Italia

[Alessandro]

Hi,

I've agreed in the past and I'm still do

Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT

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Re: [Talk-it] Statistiche interessanti OSM?

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Grazie, Luca! Funziona: 
https://web.archive.org/web/20151117080950/http://www.gfoss.it/osm/stat/?historic=str_con_nome; 
(ci mette un po' a recepire il nuovo robots.txt).


Quanto alla macchina wmflabs.org, io ho accesso e posso eventualmente 
spostarci roba (questi sono tutti HTML statici, no? potrebbero persino 
stare su altervista gratis ;) ). Però serve che qualcuno di quelli che 
la gestiscono continuativamente ci dica che va bene e che si cureranno 
che resti su.


Nemo

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Re: [Talk-it] Mancata attribuzione

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 17.11.2015 um 08:10 schrieb alessandro.pal...@wikimedia.it:
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
> CIT: "in una mappa elettronica navigabile, i crediti devono essere
> mostrati nell'angolo della mappa .."


questo è un'interpretazione/desiderio  nostro/a però, non è scritto nella 
licenza 

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] more stats: data density in the Belgian regions

[joost schouppe]

Glenn,

You are saying this doesn't solve a problem which we weren't trying to
solve.

My mail was a response on Marc about how you could find mappers with
similar interests as yourself. So the suggestion was to take some tagging
you use often, and see who has an interest in these things. Yes, it would
be nice to see who actually created these things in the first place, but as
a crude measure it might be worth exploring.


2015-11-17 9:11 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas :

> Hi,
>
> Last touched says nothing imho.  What does that really mean?  If you
> want to monitor an area for (auditing) changes use :
>
> http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/
>
> in combination with OSM history viewer.
>
> http://osmhv.openstreetmap.de/index.jsp
>
> You cannot measure contributions in this way.  Some are small but hard
> work, some are large but easy.
>
> Just like the number of edits it says nothing and drawing conclusions
> from it is futile and leads to empty conclusions.
>
> The map will never be complete anyway, it's a dynamic thing.
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
>
> On 17-11-15 07:18, joost schouppe wrote:
> > Marc,
> >
> > I was thinking about your "similar mappers" idea. of course, you can
> > make this very complicated (create a dataset of actions by users, then
> > let loose a similarity algorithm). However, it can also be very simple.
> > For example, using this [1] Overpass Turbo query, you can  get the
> > usernames of all the mappers who last touched a historic=monument thing.
> > It wouldn't be very hard to do this for a larger area and aggregate by
> > user, so as to see who thee bigger contributors are. It is a crude
> > measure, but it's just to get a list of people whose work you might want
> > to check out, so I think it would do.
> > You might want to download without the geometry and without first
> > loading in your browser when checking larger areas or wider queries.
> >
> > [1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/cMm
> >
> > 2015-11-10 17:31 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis  > >:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:17 AM, joost schouppe
> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > As to the thing you want to do with similar mappers: does it
> > have to be a history file? I'm not sure, and if it isn't, it's
> > probably easier to do it on a snapshot. That would make regular
> > updating also easier.
> >
> >
> > On a snapshot is fine. No need to find who was mapping the same as
> me.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That said, I can release some of my intermediate files as tables
> > or csv, someone might be able to make some kind of website out
> > of that. But that would again be with a local scope, as I don't
> > have the capacity to process global files at once. (I cut up the
> > world in little pieces to run analysis, but that means you need
> > to finish a processing script before rolling it out, and I'm not
> > good at finishing things)
> > Some of the questions you asked have little to do with local
> > context, so it might be more interesting to see how a thing like
> > taginfo works and build upon that.
> >
> >
> >  There national versions of taginfo for France and the UK. That is,
> > they only look at the tags in 1 country.
> >
> >  I saw all my questions in local, Belgian context. E.g. is there
> > someone else mapping heritage buildings in Belgium, or am I the only
> > one ? If not, we could get in touch and exchange ideas specific for
> > Belgium. (or Flanders or ...)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > My personal interest is more about "map completeness" for road
> > networks, landuse, amenities, etc; with a global scope. In the
> > second place mapper inequality and remote mapping. For things
> > like that, I don't see another approach than taking world
> > history and cutting it in pieces...
> >
> >
> >
> > Do you compare with an external source, or is something complete
> > when less mappers are mapping it now compared to "yesterday" ?
> >
> > My first interest is what are we (the Belgian community) mapping
> > now. This is somehow related to your "map completeness", something
> > that is complete, will no longer be mapped. I'm looking forward to
> > see what you mean with complete :-)
> >
> > regards
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Re: [Talk-it] Non sarebbe il caso di conservare i dati storici?

[Marco Predicatori]

Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 16/11/2015 10:58:
> 2015-11-16 10:36 GMT+01:00 Elena ``of Valhalla''
> :
> 
>> lo storico del database rimane, l'informazione che in un certo
>> periodo c'è stata una certa strada in una certa posizione sul
>> database rimane presente, anche se magari meno immediata da
>> ritrovare.
>> 
> 
> 
> si, ma attualmente non abbiamo un modo per distinguere delle
> strade reali, poi rimosse nella realtà ed in osm, da strada
> inventate (da un utente vandalo), mai esistite nella realtà e poi
> rimosse da OSM.
> 
> In realtà c'è il concetto, ma non viene applicato...

Grazie a tutti! Openhistoricalmap, di cui vergognosamente ignoravo
l'esistenza, sarebbe quello che intendevo, ma mi sembra un'idea
molto azzoppata dal fatto di avere un DB autonomo. Inevitabilmente
quindi conterrà solo alcuni luoghi in alcune epoche reputate
interessanti.

OSM teoricamente dà la possibilità di vedere l'evolvere di un luogo
momento per momento, e sarà un'informazione sempre più inestimabile
col passare del tempo.

Tra quattromila anni i ricercatori dell'Università di Titano
potranno sapere cos'era quell'enorme scodella di pietra trovata in
mezzo alla giungla del Parco Archeologico Terra. :-)

Dite che i dati rimangono, ma come devo fare allora quando, ad
esempio, cancello un incrocio con semaforo e ci metto una rotatoria?
Finora aggiungevo il nuovo tracciato ed eliminavo il vecchio con la
noncuranza di un unno. Dite che c'è modo di marcare come obsoleto il
vecchio incrocio, e poi rivederlo? Per quanto riguarda la fonte
dell'informazione, problema posto da Elena, direi che vale quella
generale di OSM: un mappatore vede e riporta.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Stand au Capitole du Libre 2015

[Jérôme Seigneuret]

Bonjour,



>>> J'en suis !
>>>
>>> Pour ce qui est du matériel de promotion, je n'ai à disposition
>>> qu'une
>>> carte imprimée du Parc des Volcans d'Auvergne au format A0 utilisant
>>> le
>>> style R25 de JB.
>>>
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/R25_Maperitive_style
>>>
>>> Le lien est mort sur la page en question
http://osm107.openstreetmap.fr/jbtopo/

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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Andreas Schmidt]

Internet ist ja auch Neuland.
Es ist übrigens die Bußgeldstelle. Ob man die um eine Spende für OSM
bitten könnte? So als pauschale Lizenzabgeltungsgebühr? :-)

Am 17.11.2015 um 10:35 schrieb Hartmut Holzgraefe:
> On 17.11.2015 10:26, Andreas Schmidt wrote:
>> https://www.polizei.rlp.de/internet/nav/092/09250455-9958-bb31-7a52-f616a313445c.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> Nutzt die Polizei dort eine OSM-Karte und ist dort keine Urheber-Notiz
>> vorhanden?
>
> ja, sieht so aus.
>
> Sieht aber auch so aus als ob wer auch immer die Seite gestaltet hat
> auch von Web allgemein eher so wenig bis garkeine Ahnung hat?
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Re: [Talk-it] Mancata attribuzione

[Luca Delucchi]

Il 17/nov/2015 08:46, "Aury88"  ha scritto:
>
> se la mappa è digitale (aka puoi muoverti al suo interno ed esplorare) la
> licenza è la ODBL altrimenti se è solo un'immagine della mappa con il
render
> di osm mapnik va usata la CC-SA-BY
>

Aury non è assolutamente così, le mappe non seguono assolutamente la ODbL,
in primis perché non sono un database.
Le mappe, sia web che cartacee, vengono rilasciate con la licenza scelta
dall'autore, anche un copyright completo. Le tiles di osm sono in cc-by-sa,
per esempio invece le tiles di opencyclemap invece ricadono sotto il
copyright di Andy.

Cerchiamo di rispondere in modo appropriato.

>
> Ciao,
> Aury
>

ciao
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[OSM-talk-be] strange looping tracks

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

While mapping one of the last holes of landuse in Flanders, I found several
looping tracks like this:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/380924073#map=15/51.0490/3.0673

Anyone recognize what they are? There are also a lot of small but long
meadows on the same terrains. My idea was maybe a race horse breeding
center? But googling the combination of horses and the adresses turned up
nothing.


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Re: [Talk-es] Mover valores del Nominatim del IGN

[Matías Taborda Barroso]

Hola.

Como uno de los "responsables" de esa importación, lo que dice Rafael es
exacto. Cuando hicimos esa importación, estuvimos en contacto con el IGN
(no recuerdo el responsable, sería cuestión de tirar de correos) y nos
dijeron que podía existir en el futuro una colaboración con OSM, por lo que
se nos ocurrió que la forma de anotar las modificaciones podía ser mediante
notificaciones a una dirección de correo o anotando dichas modificaciones
en la wiki [1]. Evidentemente no era el método más adecuado y de hecho
con el paso del tiempo, los usuarios dejaron de notificar esos cambios

Aprovechando la circunstancia y mi ignorancia en temas de scripts, si que
me gustaría preguntar como se puede desarrollar (lenguaje, forma,
precedentes similares) un script para averiguar los cambios
(principalmente la eliminación) de determinados nodos de una importación
más o menos masiva.

En el caso que preguntas, la importación de los parajes de la cartografía
del IGN, aparte de la gran cantidad de errores que contiene, es evidente
que la modificación de situación o eliminación de determinados nodos, es
necesaria y se debe confiar en el buen hacer del usuario de turno. Pero ha
habido otras importaciones de datos del IGN, como son los vértices
geodésicos y clavos de nivelación, que la eliminación de esos datos, están
hechos o sin tener conocimiento de lo que se hacía o verdaderamente con
mala intención (me he encontrado vértices geodésicos cambiados de sitios y
colocados en el agua de un pantano y muchos de ellos eliminados sin más).

Lo dicho, agradecería cualquier tipo de ayuda en este particular.

Saludos.

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:NGBE/Correcciones

El 18 de noviembre de 2015, 2:12, Rafael Avila Coya 
escribió:

> Hola, Alejandro:
>
> Al mover ese nodo de sitio lo único que estás haciendo es mejorar el
> mapa, pues sabes que la posición correcta es la actual, y no la de la
> versión anterior. De hecho, si ves el historial del nodo [1], la versión
> anterior es la 2 (la actual vuestra es la 3). El usuario que creó esa
> versión sobre la primera fue para limpiar en masa etiquetas inútiles de
> esos nodos locality [2]. Entre esas etiquetas estaba note:es="Si
> realizas algún cambio en este nodo, por favor, comunícalo a
> nomenclatorign at gmail dot com. Gracias.", que pertenece a la versión 1.
>
> En realidad, no tienes la obligación de comunicarlo a ese email. Se
> supone que el IGN o los responsables de esa importación, si quieren ver
> que nodos fueron modificados en su etiquetado o localización, o bien
> eliminados, lo hagan por medio de algún script.
>
> Yo, concretamente, moví ya una buena cantidad de esos nodos. Al
> principio se lo comunicaba, pero ahora ya no lo hago, pues no tiene
> sentido. Como digo, esos cambios los pueden controlar regularmente por
> medio de software. Lo que nunca haría sería borra ninguno de esos nodos,
> pues recuperar un objeto eliminado es un poco un rollo (salvo que ese
> sitio (locality) estuviésemos completamente seguros de que no existe).
>
> Un saludo,
>
> Rafael Ávila Coya.
>
> [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1242148342/history
> [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/27001391
>
> On 18/11/15 00:33, Alejandro S. wrote:
> > Hola a todos,
> >
> > Estamos ya en pleno curso de introducción a OSM en Zaragoza y me surge
> > una duda. ¿Se pueden mover los puntos place=locality de la importación
> > del Nominatim del IGN si se sabe que no están correctamente situados? ¿O
> > se trata de puntos fijos como las fronteras y los vértices geodésicos?
> >
> > Por ejemplo este nodo (que ha desplazado un alumno en su
> desconocimiento):
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1242148342
> >
> > Un cordial saludo y espero vuestras respuestas.
> >
> > Atentamente,
> >   Alejandro Suárez
> >
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Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

[Simon Poole]

Thais good, but doesn't address the OSM side of things.

Historically, aka pre 2013 revision of COPPA, we couldn't touch sub
13teeners with a long pole. That may have improved a bit, theoretically,
with the 2013 revision of COPPA, but nobody has actually done the foot-
and paperwork involved to find out and address any issues.

I don't want to dig too deep in to the things that might be considered
problematic given general US paranoia on such topics, but I would
consider completely ignoring this a bit risky.

Simon

Am 17.11.2015 um 19:03 schrieb Steven Johnson:
> Hi Simon,
> The developers selected the Credly platform specifically so that the
> OSM community is not in the business of collecting and managing
> personally identifiable information (PII). Also, we're doing two
> things to insure GeoBadges users understand terms and conditions of
> the badging process:
>
> 1. We're adding language to the 'About' section of the site to clarify
> the relationship: /"//For GeoBadge earning and issuing, we work with
> the Credly.com platform. Credly manages all earner-level data and
> security. By partnering with Credly, we can help earners increase the
> impact of their achievements by sharing it on social media platforms
> and connecting to other digital badging projects that also use Credly.
> To learn more about Credly, visit credly.com ./
> /
> /
> /GeoBadges complies with the COPPA and DCMA laws of the United States.
> Only individuals age 13+ are eligible to earn GeoBadges. If any
> content on the site seems inappropriate or out of compliance, please
> contact us immediately at geobad...@americangeo.org
> ."/
> /
> /
> 2. We're removing the Grade 3-5 option, since clearly that would be
> marketed to under 13.
>
> Thanks for your concern. Hope I've addressed your question. Best regards,
>
>
> -- SEJ
> -- twitter: @geomantic
> -- skype: sejohnson8
>
> "Wretches, utter wretches, keep your hands off beans!" - v.141, /On
> Nature, /Empedocles
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Simon Poole  > wrote:
>
>
> I assume that you have got legal advice on the COPPA related
> consequences of your activities and are willing to share this with
> the OSMF?
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 17.11.2015 um 02:45 schrieb Steven Johnson:
>> Hello list,
>>
>> Just in time for #OSMGeoweek, TeachOSM with support from
>> Mapstory.org and American Geographical Society, has released the
>> first OpenStreetMap Surveyor I badge.[1] 
>>
>> The badge is aimed at the newest open mappers of any age and is
>> awarded for successful acquisition of basic editing skills on
>> OpenStreetMap. We envision this badge to be the first in a
>> constellation of more specialized badges based on skill sets,
>> domains, area knowledge, and so forth. For more info on the
>> mechanics of GeoBadges, see the AGS blog post[2].
>>
>> We have a special deal during OSMGeoweek: Anyone who maps in any
>> of the #100Mapathons, #MissingMaps, #PeaceCorps, or #HOT events
>> during OSMGeoweek will be eligible to claim the badge. Just make
>> sure to comment your changeset with one of the 2015 OSMGeoweek
>> hashtags so we can find it. 
>>
>> Happy Mapping, everyone...
>>
>> [1] http://bit.ly/1NAhybF
>> [2] http://bit.ly/1Pwsi0G  
>> -- SEJ
>> -- twitter: @geomantic
>> -- skype: sejohnson8
>>
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>> v.141, /On Nature, /Empedocles
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Obstacle central sur route 2 x 1 voie ?

[Philippe Verdy]

A mon avis c'est plutôt sur le segment en double-sens avec ligne continue
qu'and met une unique restriction "no u-turn" pour interdire le demi-tour
dessus. C'est suffisant pour l'interdire aussi au noeud puisque le
demi-tour est interdit déjà avant (séparation des voies) et après le Y
(ligne continue).
Donc pas besoin de relation non plus.

Le 17 novembre 2015 20:27, lenny  a écrit :

> Le 16/11/2015 10:35, pepilepi...@ovh.fr a écrit :
>
> Le 16/11/2015 08:59, Francescu GAROBY a écrit :
>
> Bonjour,
> Ne pas oublier par contre de mettre une interdiction de tourner à gauche (
> "restriction=no_left_turn"
> ). C'est sans
> doute ce qui va le mieux faire comprendre (pour les calculateurs
> d'itinéraires) qu'il est impossible (physiquement ou non) de tourner.
>
>
> Bonne idée.
>
> Mais où faut-il mettre ça ? Sur chacun des points d'intersection ? Sur le
> chemin ? Pour info le séparateur que j'ai indiqué est
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/380472347.
>
> Bonsoir,
> dans ton cas, avec la séparation (que tu as créée) il n'y a pas besoin
> d'interdiction de tourner (puisqu'il y a deux voies séparées taggées
> "oneway=yes").
> A la limite, lorsque les voies se rejoignent (pour éviter le problème du
> demi-tour) puisqu'il y a une ligne continue.
>
> dans le cas de Francescu (
> https://www.google.fr/maps/@42.6806511,9.4468312,3a,75y,128.27h,67.37t/data=%213m6%211e1%213m4%211snUWZq2T-JzR2QWW-2PFA8w%212e0%217i13312%218i6656%216m1%211e1)
> , il faut le mettre, car la voie sur laquelle on arrive est représenté dans
> osm par un highway à double sens
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5138995#map=17/42.68311/9.44672.
>
> Et question annexe, si je sais quel tag employer (comme par exemple ici le
> restriction=no_left_turn), y a-t-il un moyen (autre qu'un appel à la
> connaissance commune comme celui-ci) de trouver un cas d'emploi par un
> quelconque moteur de recherche ?
>
> Pour trouver un cas, tu peux utiliser 
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.fr/
> tu mets "restriction=no_left_turn" dans la zone de recherche en haut à
> droite
> tu choisis une valeur
> en haut à droite tu clique sur "overpass turbo"
> tu choisi la zone dans la quelle tu veux rechercher en déplaçant/zoomant
> tu cliques sur exécuter à gauche
> s'il y a des données qui correspondant, elles s'affichent sur la carte et
> tu peux les sélectionner pour les consulter
>
> cordialement
> Lenny
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Obstacle central sur route 2 x 1 voie ?

[lenny]

Le 16/11/2015 10:35, pepilepi...@ovh.fr a écrit :

Le 16/11/2015 08:59, Francescu GAROBY a écrit :

Bonjour,
Ne pas oublier par contre de mettre une interdiction de tourner à 
gauche ("restriction=no_left_turn" 
). C'est 
sans doute ce qui va le mieux faire comprendre (pour les calculateurs 
d'itinéraires) qu'il est impossible (physiquement ou non) de tourner.


Bonne idée.

Mais où faut-il mettre ça ? Sur chacun des points d'intersection ? Sur 
le chemin ? Pour info le séparateur que j'ai indiqué est 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/380472347.



Bonsoir,
dans ton cas, avec la séparation (que tu as créée) il n'y a pas besoin 
d'interdiction de tourner (puisqu'il y a deux voies séparées taggées 
"oneway=yes").
A la limite, lorsque les voies se rejoignent (pour éviter le problème du 
demi-tour) puisqu'il y a une ligne continue.


dans le cas de Francescu 
(https://www.google.fr/maps/@42.6806511,9.4468312,3a,75y,128.27h,67.37t/data=%213m6%211e1%213m4%211snUWZq2T-JzR2QWW-2PFA8w%212e0%217i13312%218i6656%216m1%211e1) 
, il faut le mettre, car la voie sur laquelle on arrive est représenté 
dans osm par un highway à double sens 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5138995#map=17/42.68311/9.44672.


Et question annexe, si je sais quel tag employer (comme par exemple 
ici le restriction=no_left_turn), y a-t-il un moyen (autre qu'un appel 
à la connaissance commune comme celui-ci) de trouver un cas d'emploi 
par un quelconque moteur de recherche ?



Pour trouver un cas, tu peux utiliser http://taginfo.openstreetmap.fr/
tu mets "restriction=no_left_turn" dans la zone de recherche en haut à 
droite

tu choisis une valeur
en haut à droite tu clique sur "overpass turbo"
tu choisi la zone dans la quelle tu veux rechercher en déplaçant/zoomant
tu cliques sur exécuter à gauche
s'il y a des données qui correspondant, elles s'affichent sur la carte 
et tu peux les sélectionner pour les consulter


cordialement
Lenny
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Première contrib OpenSolarMap ver OSM...

[Christian Quest]

On 16/11/2015 20:08, PanierAvide wrote:

Bonsoir,

Sur le choix des tags, pourquoi du 3dr:type et pas un simple
roof:shape=flat ? La première est présente 5500 fois en base, roof:shape
755500 fois. D'autant que la page wiki de 3dr:type laisse entendre qu'il
faut quand même préciser roof:shape=3dr.

Cordialement.


Effectivement... je rectifie ça, c'est une mauvaise habitude liée à mes
preset JOSM qui me propose les tags 3dr:... mais pas roof:shape

J'ai fait ça manuellement pour l'instant, c'est surtout pour valider que 3
choix identiques de plus que les autres choix semble la bonne limite... et
ça n'est pas forcément l'idéal car sur certains bâtiments où il n'y a pas
de consensus sur la forme de toit on peut avoir un 10/7. Je pense que je
vais plutôt limiter le nombre de contributions sur ces bâtiments à
problème, ça évitera de les reproposer sans arrêt alors qu'on n'arrive pas
à converger dessus.

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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Florian Lohoff]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:11:23PM +0100, Simon Poole wrote:
> So was wie "Attributierung" gibt es nicht, wie wärs mal mit Deutsch.
> 
> Es gibt im Urheberrecht überhaupt keine Pflicht seine Rechte 
> durchzusetzen auch wenn du seit Jahren immer wieder den gleichen
> Blödsinn behauptest.

Wo habe ich geschrieben das sich das aus dem Urheberrecht ergibt?

Ich sage: Warum denkt man sich eine tolle, neue und komplizierte Lizenz
aus wenn man dann nicht plant diese durchzusetzen?

Flo
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Traduction du modèle attributaire production électrique

[osm . sanspourriel]

Le 16/11/2015 01:07, Philippe Verdy - verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit :
Le 15 novembre 2015 23:19, > a écrit :



Concernant la puissance totale d'une centrale elle peut être inférieure à la
somme de ses générateurs. Juste pour éviter de payer trop à ERDF/RTE, il est
possible de sous dimensionner volontairement le maximum.

Il est question de puissance installée et pas instantanée.

Je parle bien de puissance installée et bridée.
Très précisément :
http://www.armorgreen.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/201501Enercoop-vdef.pdf
La puissance installée est de 300 kWc mais de 240 kW raccordé.
Au delà ils auraient été considérés comme gros producteurs et
soumis à d'autres contraintes.
Le bâtiment ne figure pas encore sur OSM.


C'est courant d'avoir des surcapacités,
Il n'est pas question de surcapacités (ou encore réserves, la France se 
fait taper dessus par l'UE pour rémunérer un marché de capacité).
Il s'agit bien d'un bridage (au niveau de l'onduleur) afin de ne pas 
dépasser les 240 MW.
C'est par contre effectivement un problème commercial. Quand celui qui 
gère le réseau est une filiale de l'opérateur historique, il ne faut pas 
espérer autre chose qu'une accumulation des défauts du capitalisme et de 
ceux du soviétisme, mais nous sommes loin d'OSM ;-).


Le 16/11/2015 20:50, Jérôme Seigneuret - jseigneuret-...@yahoo.fr a écrit :
Donc l’hydrolienne est un éolienne  dont l'hélice est dans l'eau. En 
effet, j'ai vu un projet d’éoliennes flottantes

la densité de l'air et celle de l'eau étant très différentes, oui et non.
D'un point de vue théorique oui (le fluide est brassé mais il peut 
passer à côté).
Et vue la densité, pour avoir un fort couple tu restes à faible vitesse, 
on est plus proche des éoliennes de pompes que des éoliennes de 
production électrique.
D'un point de vue pratique, non : c'est beaucoup plus compact et 
potentiellement très différent.
L'hydrolienne Sabella D03 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabella_%28entreprise%29 ressemble à une 
éolienne, mais c'est un petit proto, le démonstrateur D10 est très 
différent (même lien).
OpenHydro/DCNS a un concept différent (pas d'axe central) 
http://renews.biz/88020/openhydro-to-get-connected/
 Là pour le moment on est à un proto/démonstrateur par site, 4 maxi 
(OpenHydro/DCNS).


Autre différence avec l'éolien : peu de sites très favorables (Raz 
Blanchard, Fromveur en France) mais fort potentiel : le premier installé 
a gagné.


Éolien flottant  
: grosso modo, tu prends une éolienne terrestre et tu la marinise (il 
faut qu'elle résiste à des vents plus violents, à du sel et à de 
mouvements du socle, de plus la maintenance est extrêmement coûteuse, il 
faut donc faire robuste). Ça c'est la conclusion de la DCNS avec des 
études Nass 
(http://www.energies-renouvelables.org/articles/newsletter_15102014/see-reed.asp).


Si vous pensez que des parties doivent être reprises (peut-être juste 
des liens) pour éclairer les pages en question, n'hésitez pas (à les 
reprendre ou à me le dire).


Pour l'adresse de retour, essaye "répondre à" et non "répondre à la liste".
J'ai repris l'adresse antispam directe, dis-moi si c'est mieux.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Obstacle central sur route 2 x 1 voie ?

[pepilepi...@ovh.fr]

  
  
Le 17/11/2015 20:27, lenny a écrit :


  
  Le 16/11/2015 10:35, pepilepi...@ovh.fr a
  écrit :
  

Le 16/11/2015 08:59, Francescu
  GAROBY a écrit :


  

  Bonjour,
  
  Ne pas oublier par contre de mettre une interdiction de
  tourner à gauche ("restriction=no_left_turn").



  C'est sans doute ce qui va le mieux faire comprendre (pour
  les calculateurs d'itinéraires) qu'il est impossible
  (physiquement ou non) de tourner.

  


Bonne idée.

Mais où faut-il mettre ça ? Sur chacun des points
  d'intersection ? Sur le chemin ? Pour info le séparateur que
  j'ai indiqué est https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/380472347.

  
  Bonsoir,
  dans ton cas, avec la séparation (que tu as créée) il n'y a pas
  besoin d'interdiction de tourner (puisqu'il y a deux voies
  séparées taggées "_oneway_=yes").
  A la limite, lorsque les voies se rejoignent (pour éviter le
  problème du demi-tour) puisqu'il y a une ligne continue.
  
  dans le cas de Francescu (https://www.google.fr/maps/@42.6806511,9.4468312,3a,75y,128.27h,67.37t/data="">)
  , il faut le mettre, car la voie sur laquelle on arrive est
  représenté dans osm par un highway à double sens http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5138995#map=17/42.68311/9.44672.
  
  
 
Et question annexe, si je sais quel tag employer (comme par
  exemple ici le restriction=no_left_turn), y a-t-il un moyen
  (autre qu'un appel à la connaissance commune comme celui-ci)
  de trouver un cas d'emploi par un quelconque moteur de
  recherche ?

  
  Pour trouver un cas, tu peux utiliser http://taginfo.openstreetmap.fr/
  tu mets "restriction=no_left_turn" dans la zone de recherche en
  haut à droite
  tu choisis une valeur
  en haut à droite tu clique sur "overpass turbo"
  tu choisi la zone dans la quelle tu veux rechercher en
  déplaçant/zoomant
  tu cliques sur exécuter à gauche
  s'il y a des données qui correspondant, elles s'affichent sur la
  carte et tu peux les sélectionner pour les consulter
  
  cordialement
  Lenny


Super, merci !

Bonne soirée,

Jean-Pierre


 
  
  
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Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

[Kate Chapman]

Hi Simon,

What do you mean by address the OSM side of things? People all over the
world are encouraging teenagers to contribute to OSM, this has been on
going for years. Steven removed the part which encouraged people under the
age of 13. What is the issue?

-Kate

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> Thais good, but doesn't address the OSM side of things.
>
> Historically, aka pre 2013 revision of COPPA, we couldn't touch sub
> 13teeners with a long pole. That may have improved a bit, theoretically,
> with the 2013 revision of COPPA, but nobody has actually done the foot- and
> paperwork involved to find out and address any issues.
>
> I don't want to dig too deep in to the things that might be considered
> problematic given general US paranoia on such topics, but I would consider
> completely ignoring this a bit risky.
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 17.11.2015 um 19:03 schrieb Steven Johnson:
>
> Hi Simon,
> The developers selected the Credly platform specifically so that the OSM
> community is not in the business of collecting and managing personally
> identifiable information (PII). Also, we're doing two things to insure
> GeoBadges users understand terms and conditions of the badging process:
>
> 1. We're adding language to the 'About' section of the site to clarify
> the relationship: *"**For GeoBadge earning and issuing, we work with the
> Credly.com platform. Credly manages all earner-level data and security. By
> partnering with Credly, we can help earners increase the impact of their
> achievements by sharing it on social media platforms and connecting to
> other digital badging projects that also use Credly. To learn more about
> Credly, visit credly.com .*
>
> *GeoBadges complies with the COPPA and DCMA laws of the United States.
> Only individuals age 13+ are eligible to earn GeoBadges. If any content on
> the site seems inappropriate or out of compliance, please contact us
> immediately at  geobad...@americangeo.org
> ."*
>
> 2. We're removing the Grade 3-5 option, since clearly that would be
> marketed to under 13.
>
> Thanks for your concern. Hope I've addressed your question. Best regards,
>
>
> -- SEJ
> -- twitter: @geomantic
> -- skype: sejohnson8
>
> "Wretches, utter wretches, keep your hands off beans!" - v.141, *On
> Nature, *Empedocles
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:
>
>>
>> I assume that you have got legal advice on the COPPA related consequences
>> of your activities and are willing to share this with the OSMF?
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> Am 17.11.2015 um 02:45 schrieb Steven Johnson:
>>
>> Hello list,
>>
>> Just in time for #OSMGeoweek, TeachOSM with support from Mapstory.org and
>> American Geographical Society, has released the first OpenStreetMap
>> Surveyor I badge.[1]
>>
>> The badge is aimed at the newest open mappers of any age and is awarded
>> for successful acquisition of basic editing skills on OpenStreetMap. We
>> envision this badge to be the first in a constellation of more specialized
>> badges based on skill sets, domains, area knowledge, and so forth. For more
>> info on the mechanics of GeoBadges, see the AGS blog post[2].
>>
>> We have a special deal during OSMGeoweek: Anyone who maps in any of the
>> #100Mapathons, #MissingMaps, #PeaceCorps, or #HOT events during OSMGeoweek
>> will be eligible to claim the badge. Just make sure to comment your
>> changeset with one of the 2015 OSMGeoweek hashtags so we can find it.
>>
>> Happy Mapping, everyone...
>>
>> [1] http://bit.ly/1NAhybF
>> [2] http://bit.ly/1Pwsi0G 
>> -- SEJ
>> -- twitter: @geomantic
>> -- skype: sejohnson8
>>
>> "Wretches, utter wretches, keep your hands off beans!" - v.141, *On
>> Nature, *Empedocles
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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Simon Poole]

So was wie "Attributierung" gibt es nicht, wie wärs mal mit Deutsch.

Es gibt im Urheberrecht überhaupt keine Pflicht seine Rechte 
durchzusetzen auch wenn du seit Jahren immer wieder den gleichen
Blödsinn behauptest.

Simon

Am 17.11.2015 um 20:58 schrieb Florian Lohoff:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 06:52:39PM +, Sven Geggus wrote:
>> Ich bin nach wie vor der Meinung, dass es gut ist eine GPL-artigen Lizenz zu
>> haben. Den Attributtierungszwang sehe ich allerdings zunehmend kritisch,
>> denn der bringt niemandem was.
> Aber WAS willst du WIE durchsetzen? Wenn du Regeln aufstellst musst
> du sie durchsetzen - Und das ist ein riesiges Problem auch im Free
> Software/GPL Umfeld. Millionen kleine DSL Router sind unterwegs mit
> GPL Software und keiner macht was "dagegen". Am Ende gibts dann so 
> Jungs wie gpl-violations.org die dann versuchen das hier und da mal
> durchzusetzen. Das ist aber ein Tropfen auf den heissen Stein.
>
>> Wie auch immer. Es kommt drauf an wie man das lebt und bei solch kleinen
>> snippets täten wir IMO besser daran das da nicht auf die namensnennung zu
>> bestehen.
> Wie du schon sagst - "Lizenz oder attributierungs Nazis". Entweder alle
> oder keiner - Es kann ja keine "Nasenfaktor" Regel geben.
>
> Die Attributierung sehe ich gar nicht als das Problem. Auch die Polizei
> werden wir an der Stelle verschrecken. Eine Lizenz die IRGENDWAS 
> von einem Nutzer fordert ist eine Hürde. Ich möchte die rechtliche Hürde
> möglichst auf null bringen - für viele ist das Technische schon
> schwierig genug.
>
> Flo
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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Stefan Kaufmann]

Am 2015-11-17 um 22:34 schrieb Florian Lohoff:


Ich sage: Warum denkt man sich eine tolle, neue und komplizierte Lizenz
aus wenn man dann nicht plant diese durchzusetzen?


Das ist eine enorm gute Frage. Ist die Lizenz ein Selbstzweck, oder gibt 
es ein uebergreifendes Ziel, das damit verfolgt werden soll?


Falls letzteres: Welches ist das?

regards,
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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Florian Lohoff]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:02:58PM +0100, Simon Poole wrote:
> Du vergisst natürlich nur eine Kleinigkeit (respektive redest dir seit
> Jahren was schön) 
> 
> all die Daten die schon damals.und auch jetzt, in OSM sind die
> mindestens einen indirekten Quellenhinweis verlangen.
> 
> Natürlich können wir, wenn wir jetzt aufhören Drittquellen zu verwenden,
> so in ca. 70 Jahren auf eine Lizenz ohne Quellenhinweis umstellen. aber
> das wird die meisten hier, inklusive mich, nicht mehr so wirklich
> interessieren.

Dieses ergibt sich aber aus alten Lizenzbestimmungen. Die Bestimmungen
der CC-BY-SA haben wir ja eben beim Lizenzwechsel "aufgegeben".

Diesen Weg gibt es auch in jegliche andere Richtung.

Flo
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[Talk-br] Editor para Android

[belnuovo]

O Editor para Android não salva ou pelo menos não consigo visualisar uma
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Re: [Talk-de] OSM bei Polizei?

[Simon Poole]

Du wiederholst nur den gleichen alten Schmarrn. Der Lizenzgeber kann in
seinem eigenen Ermessen entscheiden wie und wann er allfällige
Lizenzverletzungen verfolgt oder nicht, bis jetzt hat immer hat mehr
oder weniger sanfter Druck gereicht (von wegen "nicht plant").

Simon


Am 17.11.2015 um 22:34 schrieb Florian Lohoff:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:11:23PM +0100, Simon Poole wrote:
>> So was wie "Attributierung" gibt es nicht, wie wärs mal mit Deutsch.
>>
>> Es gibt im Urheberrecht überhaupt keine Pflicht seine Rechte 
>> durchzusetzen auch wenn du seit Jahren immer wieder den gleichen
>> Blödsinn behauptest.
> Wo habe ich geschrieben das sich das aus dem Urheberrecht ergibt?
>
> Ich sage: Warum denkt man sich eine tolle, neue und komplizierte Lizenz
> aus wenn man dann nicht plant diese durchzusetzen?
>
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Re: [Talk-us] GeoBadges 1.0 for OpenStreetMap

[Greg Morgan]

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 6:45 PM, Steven Johnson 
wrote:

> Hello list,
>
> Just in time for #OSMGeoweek, TeachOSM with support from Mapstory.org and
> American Geographical Society, has released the first OpenStreetMap
> Surveyor I badge.[1]
>
> The badge is aimed at the newest open mappers of any age and is awarded
> for successful acquisition of basic editing skills on OpenStreetMap. We
> envision this badge to be the first in a constellation of more specialized
> badges based on skill sets, domains, area knowledge, and so forth. For more
> info on the mechanics of GeoBadges, see the AGS blog post[2].
>
> We have a special deal during OSMGeoweek: Anyone who maps in any of the
> #100Mapathons, #MissingMaps, #PeaceCorps, or #HOT events during OSMGeoweek
> will be eligible to claim the badge. Just make sure to comment your
> changeset with one of the 2015 OSMGeoweek hashtags so we can find it.
>
> Happy Mapping, everyone...
>
> [1] http://bit.ly/1NAhybF
> [2] http://bit.ly/1Pwsi0G 
> -- SEJ
> -- twitter: @geomantic
> -- skype: sejohnson8
>
>
Steven Johnson,

Like dude!  My hat is off to you!!!  You dared to violate the mainstream
[1] way of doing OSM business.  I don't know if we should call you Newton
[2], Galileo [3], Ignaz [4], Lincoln [6], or suffrage [7].  All I know is
that it takes a long [4][8] to make changes around here. I don't get why
OpenStreetMap has such a problem with some of the key tenants of Open
Source:
* Show me the code to make it better if the current code is wrong.
* Release early and release often.
* Use the force read the source.
I just saw these videos today. I get what you are trying to do!!!
1.) You are trying to help new mappers choose a lovable project to focus
on. [9][10].
2.) You are helping new mappers by picking one topic at a time to focus
energy on. [9][10]
3.) You are doing new mappers a favor by helping them define a performance
level. [9][10]
4.) and how to deconstructing the skill into subskills for them with badge
levels.
5) What's totally awesome about your plan is that you are providing time
frames for each subskill in say 20 hours. [9][10]
Oh my goodness! Steven your are a rocket scientist when it comes to those
little badges.  I get that you are starting at "Surveyor I" with just
setting up an account.  You have a plan to build on badge I with editing,
advanced editing, reading aerials, using KeepRight, and finally ending up
at say,Surveyor 25 after learning all the survey techniques.

I hope that you keep at your idea as you have dared to "Release early" in
hopes of developing a community around the system.  I hope that you can
ignore all the negative feedback [11] and return here for further refine
your badge ideas,"release often".  Hey I know that there are some pervs on
the network.  Even though the pervs exist, there are all these kids out
there that lie behind their parents backs and have a facebook page at 12.
Yes and they also lie about their age too to get that FB account.  If your
program fails approval based on age issues, I think you are on track to
develop the idea for "adults". The rewards idea are awesome. The current
plan of making new mappers think that have to have $20,000 of GPS
equipment[12] before adding a single node isn't working.

Keep up the good work Steve!

Regards,
Greg


mainstream
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__dDAD0Y_WU=309
Newton
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__dDAD0Y_WU=470
Galileo
[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__dDAD0Y_WU=617
Ignaz Semmelweis
[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__dDAD0Y_WU=716
It takes a long time.
[5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__dDAD0Y_WU=836
Lincoln
[6] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__dDAD0Y_WU=866
Suffrage
[7] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__dDAD0Y_WU=912
It takes a long time like gravity
[8] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__dDAD0Y_WU=946
Visual summary "The First 20 Hours"
[9]
http://sachachua.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/20130705-Visual-Book-Review-The-First-20-Hours-How-to-Learn-Anything...-Fast-Josh-Kaufman.png
You tube "The First 20 Hours" interview.
[10] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB6K60mkmho
feedback
[11] https://youtu.be/Bxtb-PpZih8?t=653
$20,000 to mark plant locations for a database.
[12] http://www.meetup.com/PHXGeo/photos/21943882/364216142/#364216142
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