Re: [talk-au] Legal access to Public land ...

2016-07-01 Per discussione Warin 

On 7/2/2016 9:26 AM, Frank wrote:

OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been
changed on 1 July 2016 by Swanilli to say that the public has a legal 
right to access public land ...


No!

The NSW NPSW do legally exclude the public from certain areas and at 
least vehicles from certain tracks.


The NSW, WA, SA and Victorian State Forests legally exclude the public 
too .. think about the car rallies held from time to time.


Even 'public roads' get closed to the public from time to time... how 
else would the Bathurst Road Race be held?


I have remove the offending statement from the wiki. I did attempt to 
contact the user .. but the wiki page has no send a message' type 
thiny ...  hence this message.


Found the contact ... made comments on 2 changesets.
Confusion may have arisen over plain English understanding of
access=no

But the tags are
access=no
foot=yes

meaning you can access by foot but nothing else... in the OSM data base.



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Re: [OSM-ja] Mapilleryについて

2016-07-01 Per discussione insidekiwi555 
ikiyaです。

市民参加型のSVは以前からありましたが、評価も様々です。
マピラリー自体も発展途上で今後、機能変更も考えられます。


時代や状況の変化によっても判断が変わるかもしれませんね。
現在可能なぼかし機能と非表示機能でどこまで時代に対応できるかは判断の別れるところです。
写真公開について提案や改善があれば投げていくのも手段でしょう。


アップした写真の公開管理はマピラリー側が行っているので、
問題があれば非表示依頼、削除依頼をするようになるかと思います。

（直接の削除依頼については未確認です。）

その意味でも、写真アップする際には注意が必要と思います。




- Original Message -
>From: ribbon 
>To: OpenStreetMap Japanese talk  
>Date: 2016/7/2, Sat 11:37
>Subject: Re: [OSM-ja] Mapilleryについて
> 
>On Sat, Jul 02, 2016 at 10:07:37AM +0900, insidekiwi...@yahoo.co.jp wrote:
>
>> Googlストリートビューでもぼかし依頼、削除依頼が頻繁にあるように
>> それらに対応したユーザー編集機能を備えています。
>> ただし、現状、一度アップした写真について非表示のリクエストは送れますが
>> 削除はできません。
>  
>
>これ、大丈夫なんでしょうか。最近いろいろと言われている(忘れられる権利とか)
>があるので。
>
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Re: [OSM-ja] Mapilleryについて

2016-07-01 Per discussione ribbon 
On Sat, Jul 02, 2016 at 10:07:37AM +0900, insidekiwi...@yahoo.co.jp wrote:

> Googlストリートビューでもぼかし依頼、削除依頼が頻繁にあるように
> それらに対応したユーザー編集機能を備えています。
> ただし、現状、一度アップした写真について非表示のリクエストは送れますが
> 削除はできません。
  

これ、大丈夫なんでしょうか。最近いろいろと言われている(忘れられる権利とか)
があるので。

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Re: [OSM-ja] Mapilleryについて

2016-07-01 Per discussione insidekiwi555 
ikiyaです。

東さん、muramotoさんが説明されているとおり、

アップロードされた写真に自動ぼかしが試みられているのは
「自動車のナンバープレート」「人物の顔」のみです。

GoogleMapストリートビューと同様に「個人を特定できる要素」について
プライバシーの観点からぼかしを入れるようフローが作られています。

（簡易的に自動ボカシが入る） → (ユーザーが追加ボカシをリクエスト）

自動ぼかしはあくまで機械的なもので完璧ではなく、
ユーザー側によるボカシ入れの補間が必要です。

Googlストリートビューでもぼかし依頼、削除依頼が頻繁にあるように
それらに対応したユーザー編集機能を備えています。
ただし、現状、一度アップした写真について非表示のリクエストは送れますが
削除はできません。



ボカシ対応のすすめとしては、３つあります。
１．Mapillaryにアップロードする写真を撮影する際には個人情報があまり映り込まない場所、時間帯を選ぶ。
２．アップする前に、写真を事前チェックしてボカシがかなり必要な写真は削除する。
３．アップした後、Mapillaryサイトで写真を確認してボカシが必要な箇所にボカシを入れる。

また、ユーザー相互でボカシを入れあうことができます。
私も他のユーザー写真を拝見していて気が付いたらボカシ編集をしています。
私も気を付けて写真アップしていますが、おこぼれがあって自分がアップした写真に
国内外のユーザーからボカシをたびたび入れられます。
お互いにチェックし合ってデータを育てようというスタンスかと思います。


簡単ですがボカシ入れ操作の説明載せます。

１．Mapillaryサイトでログインします。
２．Mapillaryサイトにボカシ入れしたい写真を表示させます。
３．画面右側にある「Edit」ボタンを押すとその下に、「Blur」ボタンが表示されます。
４．「Blur」ボタン押した後、写真上、ボカシを入れたい箇所でマウスをドラックします。
５．赤い四角でボカシを入れたい箇所が覆われます。
６．（重要）「Blur」ボタンの下にある「Request blurring」ボタンを押して、ボカシ入れのリクエストを送信します。

以上です。ボカシの反映ははやい時もありますが数日以上かかる時もあります。





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[talk-au] Legal access to Public land ...

2016-07-01 Per discussione Frank 

OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been
changed on 1 July 2016 by Swanilli to say that the public has a legal right to 
access public land ...

No!

The NSW NPSW do legally exclude the public from certain areas and at least 
vehicles from certain tracks.

The NSW, WA, SA and Victorian State Forests legally exclude the public too .. 
think about the car rallies held from time to time.

Even 'public roads' get closed to the public from time to time... how else 
would the Bathurst Road Race be held?

I have remove the offending statement from the wiki. I did attempt to contact 
the user .. but the wiki page has no send a message' type thiny ...  hence this 
message.


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Re: [OSM-co] Mapeo de árboles

2016-07-01 Per discussione Andres Gomez Casanova 
En los mapping party que hemos en Bogotá, siempre hemos adicionado arboles pero 
es bastante difícil ser precisos.
Para la posición, las fotos aéreas no sirven porque el follaje de los árboles 
no identifica la posición del árbol, ya que se confunden. Además árboles 
pequeños pueden ser tapado por los más altos.
Finalmente, lo que se debe taggear es la posición del inicio del tronco con 
respecto a la tierra. Un árbol puede crecer torcido y los árboles son nodos, no 
líneas ni polígonos.
Para recoger los datos, fields papers puede ser complicado si no se tienen 
muchos datos de referencia. Por ejemplo, un parque puede tener muchos árboles y 
no se sabe en qué posición exacta quedan si no hay puntos de referencia.
En el mapping party de usaquen usamos un gps tracker (GPX) para ir marcando la 
ubicación de cada árbol, poste o caneca. sin embargo para mayor precisión lo 
mejor fue darle la vuelta a cada árbol (alrededor del tronco) y así l traza GPX 
muestra mejor la posición, ya que muestra una especie de círculo cuando se haga 
la edición en josm.

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> On Jul 1, 2016, at 12:21, Marco Antonio  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 11:28:41 -0500 "hyan...@gmail.com"
>  wrote:
> 
>> me preguntaba si
>> alguno de ustedes ha realizado actividades similares y pueda
>> compartir sobre aplicaciones o métodos para hacerlo.
> 
> Estoy llevando -no oficialmente- un mapeo de árboles desde hace años
> aquí donde vivo... llevo como 3000 (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/h5q). 
> En en 
> Algunos apuntes:
> 
> * prefiero no mapear usando natural=tree_row que por comodidad se hacen.
> 
> * si se va llenar genus=*, species=* es necesario tener conocimientos o
>  llevar a alguna botánica/o :). Yo hice por mi cuenta aprendiendo y
>  utilizando una app para identificar (que también esta en una página
>  web), vale la pena fotografiar de flor, hoja, tronco, fruto, y forma
>  para identificar luego con tiempo. Es para españa pero sirve bien, el
>  resto con libro en mano y wikipedia.
> 
>  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mo2o.csic.botanic
> 
> *  height=* es importante y se puede utilizar una regla especial que
>  según una proporción (un humano erguido) se puede aproximar, otra es
>  utilizar la sombra proyectada y algunos artilugios matemáticos.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_height_measurement
> http://www.wikihow.com/Measure-the-Height-of-a-Tree
> 
> * para la edad, es algo complicado y la única forma es cortando el
>  tronco y contando anillos. Hay aproximaciones pero es necesario
>  conocimiento avanzado.
> 
> * para la posición, usar osmtracker con un layout especial (quizá cada
>  botón una especie) y para comprobar, fotografiar al nivel del tronco
>  (1m) hacia algún punto de referencia, una tienda, negocio, para luego
>  coordinar con imagen satelital. Se puede utilizar una técnica de
>  marcar waypoints de dos lugares distintos a 90º y en el lugar
>  (imaginario) que cruzan es el punto. 
> 
> * el mejor editor en el lugar podría ser con una tableta y vespucci con
>  capa satelital ajustada.
> 
> * mapear previamente usando imagenes satelitales sirve mucho aunque sea
>  aproximado (en el centro de la copa del árbol). Luego con vespucci,
>  osmtracker o osmand se puede ver si esta bien o necesita arreglar la
>  ubicación. En el mapeo con imagenes satelitales habrá que jugar un
>  poco con los valores de opacidad, gama y suavidad para ver bien los
>  árboles jóvenes.
> 
> abrazos,
> 
> Marco Antonio
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Re: [Talk-GB] How to mark something as closed

2016-07-01 Per discussione Warin 
a) If you delete it from the data base ... then it is possible for 
someone else to reenter it into the data base ...
b) do something else... yes! leave it in  the data base so if someone 
else comes along and wants to enter something there .. they can see what 
has been there in the past.


dissused is one tag, as is abandoned 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:abandoned:


I have used obsolete: to mark something that is no longer there - 
avoiding the reenter problem.



On 7/2/2016 1:51 AM, Dan S wrote:

Hi

You're talking about the leisure=recreation_ground?
Change it to "disused:leisure=recreation_ground"
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disused:

Best
Dan

2016-07-01 15:27 GMT+01:00 Lester Caine :

On 01/07/16 15:15, Stuart Reynolds wrote:

Action Park, near Basildon 
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=16/51.5851/0.5568) has been closed 
since May 2015 as it contravened Green Belt planning regulations.

Should I a) just delete it, or b) do something else with it to mark it as 
historic and remove it from the map?

Depends what is left on the ground, but an 'end_date=' would be useful
for historic reference even if it is then deleted for other reasons.
This is an area where a better process needs to be laid down?

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Re: [Talk-it] Nota interessante

2016-07-01 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer 


sent from a phone

> Il giorno 02 lug 2016, alle ore 00:03, Daniele Gitto  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> Naturalmente a quel problema ci ha già pensato Poste Italiane, che li 
> denomina appunto "Messina"; "Messina 1"; "Messina 2" etc


appunto. "poste" oppure "ufficio postale" sembrano al massimo loc_names ma per 
lo più descrizioni anziché nomi.


ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] Nota interessante

2016-07-01 Per discussione Daniele Gitto 

Il 01/07/2016 20:05, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto:



per me non deve essere "coerente", lo puoi decidere da caso in caso,

>
Stragulp! e che cosa me ne faccio di siffatti dati nel database? Faccio 
una query perché voglio ottenere la lista degli uffici di Poste Italiane 
in Sicilia e ottengo:

- Ufficio postale;
- Ufficio Postale;
- Roccacannuccia;
- Poste italiane;
- poste Italiane;
- poste;
- posta;
- uff.postale di Roccacannuccia;
- Ufficio postale di Cabibbo Inf.;

A mio inutile parere, si potrebbe fare di meglio con poco sforzo.

> se ci sono più uffici postali a Roccacannuccia probabilmente il nome 
è diverso per distinguerli.

>
Naturalmente a quel problema ci ha già pensato Poste Italiane, che li 
denomina appunto "Messina"; "Messina 1"; "Messina 2" etc


Daniele


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Re: [OSM-ja] GPSログを取ろうとしたら同期出来なかった

2016-07-01 Per discussione tomoya muramoto 
muramotoです。

雨の日はGPS精度が悪くなるとは思います。

ただ、私の経験の範囲では、信号を捕まえられないほど酷かったということはなかったです。

私の場合はこんな経験があります。
・前回GPS機器を使ってからかなり時間がたっており、データ更新に時間がかかった。計測が始まるまでに5分くらいかかることもあります。
・GPS機器の衛星位置表示を見ると、ちょうど衛星が上空にない(地平線付近にはあった)タイミングのようで、まったく計測が始まらなかった。この日の計測はあきらめた。ただ似たような報告例を聞かないので、私の勘違いかもしれません。

ご参考まで。

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Re: [Talk-it] Mappe per OsmAnd su Gfoss Geodata non aggiornate

2016-07-01 Per discussione Cascafico Giovanni 
Uau!

Giusto cercavamo qualche macchina per sperimentare opentripplanner, un
router multimodale che però, oltre alle relazioni dei bus, abbbisogna di
qualche monaco certosino che trascriva gli orari delle varie aziende
trasporti "pubbic,he" che non mollano i dati.

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Il 01/lug/2016 11:45 "Simone Cortesi"  ha scritto:

> Ricordo a tutti che,
> se avete necessità di risorse hardware legati a progetti OSM,
> abbiamo macchine a disposizione finalizzate proprio a questo e rese
> disponibili da wikimedia foundation.
>
> 2016-07-01 13:39 GMT+02:00 Luca Delucchi :
> > 2016-07-01 12:36 GMT+02:00 Stefano Droghetti <
> stefano.droghe...@gmail.com>:
> >> Mi sono accorto che su Gfoss Geodata [1] le mappe per OsmAnd (le .obf,
> >> disponibili solo per l'intera Italia e non regione per regione) benché
> >> apparentemente aggiornate (le date effettivamente si aggiornano ogni
> due o
> >> tre giorni) in realtà rimangono ferme a una versione di un paio di mesi
> fa.
> >> Probabilmente lo script crea ogni giorno la nuova mappa, ma per qualche
> >> motivo usa sempre gli stessi dati, non aggiornati da mesi.
> >>
> >
> > scusa non ho capito se ti riferisci al file obf o agli altri?
> >
> > per il file obf ho un problema e non riesco ad aggiornarla perciò è
> > vecchia anche se segna che è stata aggiornata. sto facendo dei test ma
> > non so dove sbattere la testa, magari è un baco introdotto nel
> > software per la creazione del file obf
> >
> > Ottengo un errore sembra di memoria, ma gli ho assegnato 12GB :-o
> >
> > Jun 27, 2016 12:52:02 PM net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator
> > extractOsmToNodesDB
> > INFO: File indexed : 3338135
> > Jun 27, 2016 12:52:02 PM net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator
> generateIndex
> > SEVERE: OutOfMemory
> > java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space
> > at org.sqlite.core.DB.executeBatch(DB.java:743)
> > at
> org.sqlite.core.CorePreparedStatement.executeBatch(CorePreparedStatement.java:77)
> > at
> net.osmand.data.preparation.OsmDbCreator.acceptEntityToLoad(OsmDbCreator.java:393)
> > at
> net.osmand.osm.io.OsmBaseStorage.acceptEntityToLoad(OsmBaseStorage.java:294)
> > at
> net.osmand.osm.io.OsmBaseStoragePbf$1.registerEntity(OsmBaseStoragePbf.java:43)
> > at
> net.osmand.osm.io.OsmBaseStoragePbf$1.parseDense(OsmBaseStoragePbf.java:100)
> > at crosby.binary.BinaryParser.parse(BinaryParser.java:107)
> > at crosby.binary.BinaryParser.handleBlock(BinaryParser.java:51)
> > at crosby.binary.file.FileBlock.process(FileBlock.java:120)
> > at
> crosby.binary.file.BlockInputStream.process(BlockInputStream.java:15)
> > at
> net.osmand.osm.io.OsmBaseStoragePbf.parseOSMPbf(OsmBaseStoragePbf.java:214)
> > at
> net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator.extractOsmToNodesDB(IndexCreator.java:345)
> > at
> net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator.initDbAccessor(IndexCreator.java:432)
> > at
> net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator.generateIndexes(IndexCreator.java:650)
> > at
> net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator.generateIndexes(IndexCreator.java:578)
> > at
> net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator.generateIndex(IndexBatchCreator.java:552)
> > at
> net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator.generatedIndexes(IndexBatchCreator.java:464)
> > at
> net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator.runBatch(IndexBatchCreator.java:307)
> > at
> net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator.main(IndexBatchCreator.java:165)
> >
> > e lancio osmandcrator così
> >
> > java -Djava.util.logging.config.file=logging.properties -Xms128M
> > -Xmx12000M -cp "./OsmAndMapCreator.jar:lib/OsmAnd-core.jar:./lib/*.jar"
> > net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator batch_geodati.xml
> >
> >> Ho scritto a Luca Delucchi, ma se c'è qualcun altro in ascolto che può
> fare
> >> qualcosa, ben venga.
> >>
> >
> > eh direi che solo io posso fare qualcosa.
> >
> >>
> >> Stefano
> >>
> >
> > --
> > ciao
> > Luca
> >
> > www.lucadelu.org
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Re: [OSM-ja] Mapilleryについて

2016-07-01 Per discussione tomoya muramoto 
muramotoです。

東さんがコメントされているように、人の顔とナンバープレートにぼかしが入ります。あとは表札にぼかしを入れようとしているのか、看板などの文字列にもぼかしが入ります。

>Please note that once you make a public posting, you may not be able to
change or remove it.
この文については、mayが使われているので、〜かもしれない、というニュアンスだと思われます。つまり、「一度投稿したら、ぼかしを入れたり非公開にする申請はできるが、確実ではない。また、ぼかしを消す申請もできる。さらに、ぼかしを入れる前の画像をすぐにダウンロードされたら、ダウンロードした時点でのライセンスに従って誰かが再公開する可能性もある。」という感じでしょうか。

なお、写真を非公開にする申請はできるのですが、非常に時間がかかるようで、いつ手続きが終わるのかわかりません(ぼかしを入れる・消す申請は、1日もあれば反映されます)。ぼかしを入れる場所の検出精度もいまいちです。

ですので、個人的には、人力でぼかしを入れてからアップロードするようにしています。

ご参考まで

muramoto
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site

2016-07-01 Per discussione Shaun McDonald 

> On 1 Jul 2016, at 16:38, Dennis Bauszus  wrote:
> 
> I have setup a wordpress site.
> 
> http://osmuk.org/ 
> 
> Please drop me a mail if you want to become an editor and start posting or an 
> administrator and help with the general layout.

I can recommend the Divi WordPress Theme which allows extremely flexible 
layouts to be easily created all in the GUI. 
http://www.elegantthemes.com/gallery/divi/ 


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Re: [Talk-de] place=square

2016-07-01 Per discussione Georg Feddern 

Moin,

Am 30.06.2016 um 20:02 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
Il giorno 30 giu 2016, alle ore 19:05, Georg Feddern 
 ha scritto:

Wenn man die Historie betrachtet, war meist der Platz zuerst da, während sich 
die Straßen (Verkehrswege) erst in der 'Neuzeit' herausdominierten - aber 
praktisch immer noch Teil des Platzes sind. Verwaltungsmäßig wird das also eher 
der place sein.

ganz so will ich das nicht stehenlassen, historisch gab es auch durchaus 
Straßen, nicht erst in der Neuzeit. Die bedeutendsten Plätze sind oft dort, wo 
sich 2 oder mehr wichtige Straßen treffen.

vielleicht mißverstanden.
Ich meinte, dass früher die Verkehrswege über den Platz liefen, ohne 
sich allzu deutlich vom Platz abzuheben - der Platz also als Einheit 
dominierte.

Während heute eher die "Straßen" dominieren und der Platz zergliedert ist.

Grüße, Georg

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Re: [Talk-it] Impostazione cartella delle mappe Osmand su scheda microsd esterna

2016-07-01 Per discussione Alessandro Pozzato 

Alessandro quale versione di Android hai?
  Il percorso sulla SD esterna dipende dalla versione.

La versione è 5.1.1
Mi chiedo per cosa si debba cambiare percorso con la versione...

Grazie mille,

Alessandro

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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK local chapter

2016-07-01 Per discussione Adam Hoyle 
My tuppence:

I've not used it, but loomio looks great. If we decide to go with it I'm happy 
to install it somewhere (do we have OSMUK hosting), but if all we need is the 
simple version then $190 per year for their hosted version seems good value 
(and means one less thing to maintain) - https://www.loomio.org/pricing

Personally I'd definitely prefer Wordpress over Blogger, but for purely 
blogging I've noticed a lot of people preferring to post on Medium.com rather 
than hosting their own blog.

Best,

Adam


> On 1 Jul 2016, at 11:10, Christian Ledermann  
> wrote:
> 
> also there is https://openslides.org/ although I think this is
> probably overkill.
> 
> On 1 July 2016 at 11:02, Christian Ledermann
>  wrote:
>> Have you considered/evaluated https://www.discourse.org/ ?
>> I have used it (plone community, OKFN) and am quite fond of it
>> The email integration is very nice, you can get email push
>> notifications and respond to discussions via email.
>> 
>> I have not used loomio yet so I do not know how they compare
>> 
>>> On 30 June 2016 at 18:40, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
>>> BTW here are my notes from when I researched collaboration tools (focused on
>>> communication and decision making, rather than projects)
>>> 
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Z9vCilV96Tah5ruGFTIaSGxojEC9pvHo48Sc4vw5_Y/edit?usp=sharing
>>> 
>>> Feel free to add comments.
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> p.s. I'm aware that OSMF use Wordpress, Loomio, Slack (at least the SotM WG
>>> have started with this although my own research suggested Fleep may be
>>> better). If you know more, please share.
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Re: [Talk-it] Impostazione cartella delle mappe Osmand su scheda microsd esterna

2016-07-01 Per discussione Max1234Ita 
Alessandro quale versione di Android hai? 
 Il percorso sulla SD esterna dipende dalla versione. 
 
 In ogni caso prova ad installare un'applicazione tipo Total Commander e
vedi come ti viene riconosciuta...

 Poi se OsmAnd non te la propone dovrai digitare il percorso completo.

 Ricorda però che OsmAnd se la deve creare da solo, altrimenti non verranno
riconosciute le mappe, quindi aspetta di aver compiuto questa operazione
prima di copiarci dentro i file.

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Re: [Talk-se] Starta röstning för feature som annan användare föreslagit

2016-07-01 Per discussione Jimmy Utterström 
Ska kolla upp det. Nä, självklart är det så. Men fördelen med om den räknas som 
"godkänd" och finns dokumenterad på ett tydligt sätt i Wikin är ju att chansen 
är större att folk kommer att använda sig av samma tagg i framtiden. 
/Jimmy

From: andreas.vi...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:36:34 +0200
To: talk-se@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-se] Starta röstning för feature som annan användare 
föreslagit

Kolla vad som är vanligast på taginfo och kör på det. Man kan använda vilken 
tagg som helst. En tagg behöver inte vara "godkänd" och detta har heller ingen 
bäring på huruvida den renderas eller ej.
Vill ni få den renderad bör ni ta upp det i osm-cartos github: 
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues
/Andreas

Skickat från min iPhone
30 juni 2016 kl. 22:18 skrev Mikael Nordfeldth :

On 2016-06-30 20:25, Jimmy Utterström wrote:
Jag saknar att det fortfarande inte finns någon godkänd tagg för Discgolf, 
särskilt då det i Sverige trots allt finns en hel del banor. Det finns dock en 
föreslagen "leisure" feature här: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Disc_golf_course

Det tycker jag låter som en bra idé! Jag har kartlagt lite på måfå i
Umeå utifrån den dokumentation jag hittat bl.a. på den där
proposed-sidan. Nästan alla discgolfbanor i staden är någorlunda väl
kartlagda (I20, Bräntbergets, Bäcksjön) :)

Wikisidans författare Johan Jönsson angav i mars 2012 att han tänkte lägga ut 
den för röstning, sedan dess har det dock tyvärr inte hänt något. Tänkte att 
någon annan (jag till exempel) skulle kunna starta röstningen för förslaget 
istället men vill först höra med er om ni anser att det är ett okej 
förförandesätt? Eller om jag har riktigt tur kanske denne "Johan Jönsson" 
prenumererar på maillistan så att han kan svara angående ärendet själv. 

Jag har själv aldrig lagt upp något för att gå till omröstning men jag
tycker det låter helt okej, om vi inte kommer på några ändringar vi vill
lägga till först. Huvudsakligen är det ju samma taggar som gäller för
disc_golf_course som för golf_course med tee, hole, out_of_bounds (och
basket istället för pin då), så det är nog inte så mycket att mixtra med.

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[OSM-talk] MapRoulette tutorial

2016-07-01 Per discussione Martijn van Exel 
Hi all,

As the new version of MapRoulette is getting close to final release, I have
started to write tutorials. The first installment is about creating and
maintaining challenges. Some people have already given this a go and I have
received very useful feedback that helped squash some bugs (many still to
be done...) and also helped me write this tutorial. Let me know what you
think about it:
https://github.com/maproulette/maproulette2/wiki/Introducing-New-MapRoulette---Part-1.-Creating-and-Maintaining-Challenges


If you find bugs or things you think should work better or different,
please look through the issues and open a new one if your problem is not
yet covered: https://github.com/maproulette/maproulette2/issues

Have a nice weekend,
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] wegenregister now open data

2016-07-01 Per discussione joost schouppe 
Sander,

Good point: a missing road in OSM can be a mistake in OSM - or a mistake in
Wegenregister!

I'm not sure what the best way would be to deal with a clear mistake. I
think there are going to be some cases where we can tag a thing with
something indicating that Wegenregister is not more correct then we are (if
only to avoid mistakes by remote mappers). That would allow for automatic
input for AIV (former Agiv). But sometimes we will have to contact people.
As the update process will be largely community responsibility, it's
probably going to be a case of contacting the local administration. And
when integration is complete, I would suppose it should turn into a
GRB-melding. The only thing is that mere citizens aren't really invited to
do that. Something to talk to AIV about, I would suppose.

We could also build some kind of tool where you can register your progress
in comparing OSM to Wegenregister, and create a list of "definitely wrong
in Wegenregister" segments for AIV or local administrations to download.

Then when it comes to Wegenregister being slightly out of date: that isn't
really a mistake, it's more like growing pains. I believe in the future,
Wegenregister will contain both "the last measured reality" (GRB) and
"planned future situations" (fed from CRAB). In theory, when an as-built
plan is delivered, it should be updated immediately. In other cases, it
might take until the next GRB update (once or twice a year) until the
"future" situation is tagged as "current, measured". So even in the future,
there will always be some lag. But for the time being, I think it can
easily take a year for changes in the terrain to find their way into the
Wegenregister. So there's little point reporting these situations.

2016-07-01 20:15 GMT+02:00 Sander Deryckere :

>
> 2016-07-01 18:53 GMT+02:00 joost schouppe :
>
>> ...
>> It should be clear that any competition between Wegenregister and OSM is
>> a bit absurd.
>>
> ...
>>
>
> In contrary, the OSM community has been formed because it was so hard to
> access free geographical data. The fact that governments are now opening up
> data means that we are doing very well in our quest. Thanks to the work of
> every single contributor.
>
> That said, do watch out when comparing both datasets. One of the first
> differences I found shows a track in the wegenregister that definately
> doesn't exist:
> https://api.mapbox.com/styles/v1/joostschouppe/...#17.72/50.94482/3.07103
> 
> I have seen that track/path drawn on other topographical maps, and
> explicitly searched for it, but there's nothing to be found there  apart
> from a ditch (which certainly isn't suited for walking in). If there's a
> place to report those things, please tell me.
>
> There are also some obvious places where the wegenregister is a bit
> outdated. If there's a place to report these things, please tell me ;)
>
> But all in all, it's a great data source to have available (when everyone
> is a bit sensible on comparing the data). So thanks for everyone who helped
> making this available.
>
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[Talk-it] Impostazione cartella delle mappe Osmand su scheda microsd esterna

2016-07-01 Per discussione Alessandro Pozzato 

Buonasera a tutti,
vi pongo un quesito forse non completamente attinente alla lista. Sto 
cercando di configurare un Osmand (versione 2.3.3 di F-Droid) su di un 
cellulare Android. Ho il problema che non riesco ad impostare come 
destinazione per le mappe una cartella nella schedina micro-sd. Le varie 
opzioni proposte da Osmand, compresa quella che specifica la sd esterna, 
mandano tutte in realtà alla memoria interna. (Il percorso della memoria 
esterna 1 è /storage/emulated/0/Android/data/net.osmand.plus/files ). 
C'è anche la possibilità di specificare il percorso manualmente, ma non 
so se devo mettere cose tipo "ExtSDCard" dopo "storage" o altro. Anche 
cercando con l'applicazione "Archivio" non riesco a vedere il percorso 
assoluto. Qualche idea?


Alessandro Pozzato

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] wegenregister now open data

2016-07-01 Per discussione Sander Deryckere 
2016-07-01 18:53 GMT+02:00 joost schouppe :

> ...
> It should be clear that any competition between Wegenregister and OSM is a
> bit absurd.
>
...
>

In contrary, the OSM community has been formed because it was so hard to
access free geographical data. The fact that governments are now opening up
data means that we are doing very well in our quest. Thanks to the work of
every single contributor.

That said, do watch out when comparing both datasets. One of the first
differences I found shows a track in the wegenregister that definately
doesn't exist:
https://api.mapbox.com/styles/v1/joostschouppe/...#17.72/50.94482/3.07103

I have seen that track/path drawn on other topographical maps, and
explicitly searched for it, but there's nothing to be found there  apart
from a ditch (which certainly isn't suited for walking in). If there's a
place to report those things, please tell me.

There are also some obvious places where the wegenregister is a bit
outdated. If there's a place to report these things, please tell me ;)

But all in all, it's a great data source to have available (when everyone
is a bit sensible on comparing the data). So thanks for everyone who helped
making this available.

Regards,
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Re: [Talk-at] Samstagabend vor dem OSM-Sonntag in Salzburg

2016-07-01 Per discussione Michael Reichert 
Hallo,

euch interessiert das vermutlich weniger als die Deutschen, aber ich
teile es euch trotzdem mit.

Ich bin von einem Teilnehmer gefragt worden, ob man auf Stadtalm das
Viertelfinalspiel anschauen könne. Ich habe nachgefragt und mir wurde
mitgeteilt, dass es ginge, wenn das Wetter mitspielt, weil die
Übertragung im Außenbereich der Gaststätte erfolgt.

Am 23.06.2016 um 19:52 schrieb Michael Reichert:
> Wer sich noch nicht angemeldet hat oder wessen Planung sich geändert
> haben, möge seine Eintragung auf
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FOSSGIS_2016/OSM-Sonntag
> bitte korrigieren.

Wer hier "vielleicht" o.ä. eingetragen hat, möge seinen Eintrag bitte
konkretisieren, sonst gehe ich morgen um 20:00 Uhr von "nein" aus, falls
ich gefragt werde, ob die Person noch kommen werde.

Viele Grüße

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Re: [Talk-de] Samstagabend vor dem OSM-Sonntag in Salzburg

2016-07-01 Per discussione Michael Reichert 
Hallo,

ich bin von einem Teilnehmer gefragt worden, ob man auf Stadtalm das
Viertelfinalspiel anschauen könne. Ich habe nachgefragt und mir wurde
mitgeteilt, dass es ginge, wenn das Wetter mitspielt, weil die
Übertragung im Außenbereich der Gaststätte erfolgt.

Am 23.06.2016 um 19:52 schrieb Michael Reichert:
> Wer sich noch nicht angemeldet hat oder wessen Planung sich geändert
> haben, möge seine Eintragung auf
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FOSSGIS_2016/OSM-Sonntag
> bitte korrigieren.

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konkretisieren, sonst gehe ich morgen um 20:00 Uhr von "nein" aus, falls
ich gefragt werde, ob die Person noch kommen werde.

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Re: [Talk-it] Nota interessante

2016-07-01 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer 


sent from a phone

> Il giorno 01 lug 2016, alle ore 19:10, Daniele Gitto  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> Però dovrebbe essere coerente forse
> "Ufficio postale di Roccacannuccia" vs "Roccacannuccia" (finora ho usato la 
> seconda)


per me non deve essere "coerente", lo puoi decidere da caso in caso, se ci sono 
più uffici postali a Roccacannuccia probabilmente il nome è diverso per 
distinguerli.


> "Farmacia Pasqualazzi" vs "Pasqualazzi" (finora ho usato la seconda)
> "Municipio di Cazzulata" vs "Cazzulata" (per forza la prima qui)
> "Chiesa di San Coso" vs "San Coso" (ho usato la prima)
> "Stazione Carabinieri di Cazzulata" vs "Cazzulata"  (ho usato la prima)


userei sempre la prima, forse nel caso della chiesa si potrebbe discutere.

ciao,
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Re: [OSM-ja] Mapilleryについて

2016-07-01 Per discussione Shu Higashi 
補足ですが、mapillaryにはスマホの専用アプリで撮った写真を
アップする方法以外にも、
ビデオカメラで録画した動画にgpxファイルを付けてmapillaryサイトから
手動アップロードすると、適当な時間（確か5秒ごと）で動画から静止画像を
自動的に切り出して取り込んでくれる機能もあります。
thetaの動画も同様に取り込んでくれます。
このあたりがそうやってアップした全方位画像です。
http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/Qxk8hfA9_zAAAHla40ntYw/photo
東

2016/07/02 Shu Higashi :
> 東です。
>
>> 投稿されていた写真を見ましたが、人の顔がぼかされていますが、自動車の
>> ナンバープレートはぼかしが入っていないように見えました。これは、自動
>> 車のナンバープレートには対応していないと思って良いでしょうか。
>
> 写真を投稿すると自動的にぼかしが入ります。
> その対象は今のところ「自動車のナンバープレート」と「人の顔」のようです。
> ただ、その認識率は不完全で必要なものにぼかしが入らなかったり
> 違うものにぼかしが入ったりします。
> その場合はmapillaryサイトから写真の編集モードに入って
> 手動でぼかしをかけたり、ぼかしを解除したりします。
> （これは何度でも行えます。編集後の画像は原本とは別に持っている
> ようで可逆です。編集が反映されるまで少し時間が掛かります）
>
>> また、https://www.mapillary.com/privacy.html
>> をみたのですが、
>>
>> Please note that once you make a public posting, you may not be able to
>> change or remove it.
>>
>> とあります。これは、一同投稿したら、たとえプライバシーの問題等があっても
>> 消せない、と言うことでしょうか。
>
> 現在の仕様では投稿した写真そのものを物理削除することはできません。
> （消して欲しい時はありますけどね）
> ただし、編集画面でその写真だけ非表示に設定することはできます。
> どのタイミングで非表示になるかは謎な時もありますが。
> 今度のSotM Japan にmapillaryの方が（たぶん）来られるので
> その時にでも細かいところを聞いてみたいです。
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Re: [OSM-ja] Mapilleryについて

2016-07-01 Per discussione Shu Higashi 
東です。

> 投稿されていた写真を見ましたが、人の顔がぼかされていますが、自動車の
> ナンバープレートはぼかしが入っていないように見えました。これは、自動
> 車のナンバープレートには対応していないと思って良いでしょうか。

写真を投稿すると自動的にぼかしが入ります。
その対象は今のところ「自動車のナンバープレート」と「人の顔」のようです。
ただ、その認識率は不完全で必要なものにぼかしが入らなかったり
違うものにぼかしが入ったりします。
その場合はmapillaryサイトから写真の編集モードに入って
手動でぼかしをかけたり、ぼかしを解除したりします。
（これは何度でも行えます。編集後の画像は原本とは別に持っている
ようで可逆です。編集が反映されるまで少し時間が掛かります）

> また、https://www.mapillary.com/privacy.html
> をみたのですが、
>
> Please note that once you make a public posting, you may not be able to
> change or remove it.
>
> とあります。これは、一同投稿したら、たとえプライバシーの問題等があっても
> 消せない、と言うことでしょうか。

現在の仕様では投稿した写真そのものを物理削除することはできません。
（消して欲しい時はありますけどね）
ただし、編集画面でその写真だけ非表示に設定することはできます。
どのタイミングで非表示になるかは謎な時もありますが。
今度のSotM Japan にmapillaryの方が（たぶん）来られるので
その時にでも細かいところを聞いてみたいです。

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Re: [OSM-co] Mapeo de árboles

2016-07-01 Per discussione Marco Antonio 
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 11:28:41 -0500 "hyan...@gmail.com"
 wrote:

> me preguntaba si
> alguno de ustedes ha realizado actividades similares y pueda
> compartir sobre aplicaciones o métodos para hacerlo.

Estoy llevando -no oficialmente- un mapeo de árboles desde hace años
aquí donde vivo... llevo como 3000 (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/h5q). 

Algunos apuntes:

* prefiero no mapear usando natural=tree_row que por comodidad se hacen.

* si se va llenar genus=*, species=* es necesario tener conocimientos o
  llevar a alguna botánica/o :). Yo hice por mi cuenta aprendiendo y
  utilizando una app para identificar (que también esta en una página
  web), vale la pena fotografiar de flor, hoja, tronco, fruto, y forma
  para identificar luego con tiempo. Es para españa pero sirve bien, el
  resto con libro en mano y wikipedia.

  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mo2o.csic.botanic

*  height=* es importante y se puede utilizar una regla especial que
  según una proporción (un humano erguido) se puede aproximar, otra es
  utilizar la sombra proyectada y algunos artilugios matemáticos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_height_measurement
http://www.wikihow.com/Measure-the-Height-of-a-Tree

* para la edad, es algo complicado y la única forma es cortando el
  tronco y contando anillos. Hay aproximaciones pero es necesario
  conocimiento avanzado.

* para la posición, usar osmtracker con un layout especial (quizá cada
  botón una especie) y para comprobar, fotografiar al nivel del tronco
  (1m) hacia algún punto de referencia, una tienda, negocio, para luego
  coordinar con imagen satelital. Se puede utilizar una técnica de
  marcar waypoints de dos lugares distintos a 90º y en el lugar
  (imaginario) que cruzan es el punto. 

* el mejor editor en el lugar podría ser con una tableta y vespucci con
  capa satelital ajustada.

* mapear previamente usando imagenes satelitales sirve mucho aunque sea
  aproximado (en el centro de la copa del árbol). Luego con vespucci,
  osmtracker o osmand se puede ver si esta bien o necesita arreglar la
  ubicación. En el mapeo con imagenes satelitales habrá que jugar un
  poco con los valores de opacidad, gama y suavidad para ver bien los
  árboles jóvenes.

abrazos,

Marco Antonio
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Re: [Talk-it] Nota interessante

2016-07-01 Per discussione Daniele Gitto 

Il 01/07/2016 16:43, ale_z...@libero.it ha scritto:


.. Perché come hai fatto notare, se metto nel name "Ufficio postale di

Milazzo", c' è già il tag per l' ufficio postale ed è implicito che è a
Milazzo.





Avrai scelto un esempio sfortunato, ma gli uffici postali a volte si chiamano
proprio Ufficio Postale di Roccacannuccia e quello è il nome ufficiale (poi se
volessimo potremmo mettere il frazionario dell'ufficio)
L'ufficio più vicino a Roccacannuccia infattamente :-)  si chiama

Ufficio postale
NARDO'
(Frazionario 31087)
CORSO GIUSEPPE GARIBALDI 8, 73048 NARDO' (LE)

Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT


No aspetta, che sono lento a capire.
Non mi pareva così scontato che il nome ufficiale fosse "Ufficio postale 
di Roccacannuccia" Dove l'hai preso? (e soprattutto Postale in maiuscolo 
lo eviterei, ma quella è la fase 2)
Come ho detto, in provincia di Messina li ho chiamati tutti 
"Roccacannuccia". (tutti col frazionario, eh eh)
E' proprio questa la domanda quindi non era scontato - sto chiedendo se 
dobbiamo scrivere "Roccacannuccia" o "Ufficio postale di 
Roccacannuccia". Per me va bene qualunque decisione. non ho pregiudizi. 
Però dovrebbe essere coerente forse
"Ufficio postale di Roccacannuccia" vs "Roccacannuccia" (finora ho usato 
la seconda)

"Farmacia Pasqualazzi" vs "Pasqualazzi" (finora ho usato la seconda)
"Municipio di Cazzulata" vs "Cazzulata" (per forza la prima qui)
"Chiesa di San Coso" vs "San Coso" (ho usato la prima)
"Stazione Carabinieri di Cazzulata" vs "Cazzulata"  (ho usato la prima)

Grazie per l'attenzione,
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Re: [OSM-co] Mapeo de árboles

2016-07-01 Per discussione hyan...@gmail.com 
OK, este es la institución oficial que lo realiza.

Por acá con OSM estoy analizando dos aplicaciones:

https://www.opentreemap.org
http://obsmapp.org/

Lo otro es hacer el levantamiento vía fieldpapers o fotos georeferencidas,
llevado el registro en papel con las características y estado de cada árbol.

¿En serio ninguna experiencia de este tipo en Colombia con OSM?

El 1 de julio de 2016, 11:48, Fredy Rivera  escribió:

> En Bogotá esta el SIGAU del jardín Botanico.
>
> Quizá puedas encontrar documentación sobre ese proceso.
> http://190.25.157.13:8080/siga/index.jsf
>
> salu2
>
> 2016-07-01 11:28 GMT-05:00 hyan...@gmail.com :
> > Hola maperos,
> >
> > vamos a iniciar una actividad exploratoria para crear un inventario de
> > árboles en un barrio de la ciudad de Cartagena, me preguntaba si alguno
> de
> > ustedes ha realizado actividades similares y pueda compartir sobre
> > aplicaciones o métodos para hacerlo.
> >
> > Gracias,
> >
> > Humberto Yances
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Test accès BD Ortho depuis JOSM...

2016-07-01 Per discussione Christian Quest 

Yes !

Config modifiée et du coup vous pouvez maintenant utiliser 
http://proxy-ign.openstreetmap.fr/bdortho/{z}/{x}/{y}.jpg dans iD sans 
oublier l'attribution "BDOrtho IGN" dans les changeset ou en source sur 
les objets créés...



Le 01/07/2016 à 12:39, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :


1.

En fait sur les pages ID on voit que les tuiles demandées telles
que

https://ecn.t2.tiles.virtualearth.net/tiles/a031331031023230310.jpeg?g=587=en-gb=z
ont bien un referer.


2.
Referer:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/id
3.


Le 01/07/2016 à 12:25, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :


Effectivement ce que bhousel propose c'est :

- soit de changer le token quand on détecte un abus

- soit d'utiliser un cookie qui sera créé après acceptation des 
conditions d'utilisation.


Il a clos le ticket.

Philippe, oui un referer se contourne mais il montre une volonté de 
violer la licence et demande un peu de travail pas à la portée de 99 
% des utilisateurs. L'idée c'est d'éviter que n'importe qui réutilise 
les tuiles à n'importe quel dessein.


Jean-Yvon


Le 27/06/2016 à 18:42, Philippe Verdy - verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit :
Le "referer:" aussi est facile à reprendre, même pour une navigation 
sur un site tiers avec un navigateur normal, la requête peut être 
effectuée en Javascript avec les champs MIME qu'on veut (et faciles 
à obtenir juste avec la console réseau du navigateur). Cependant ça 
élimite les utilisations les plus simples avec un framework 
OpenLayers ou similaire non modifié.


Sans identification du client (inscription de compte, mot de passe, 
etc.), ou sans mise à jour régulière des clés sur le serveur web 
référent (qui doit avoir alors une connexion avec le fournisseur de 
carto tiers pour autoriser pendant un temps limité des sessions pour 
chaque client connnecté au serveur référent, le client devant 
redemander une clé au serveur référent qui la renouvellera avec le 
serveur tiers, ou bien le client devra ouvrir une session SSL 
résidente en utilisant des clés négociées par l'intermédiaire du 
serveur référent, sur laquelle transiteront ensuite les requêtes de 
tuiles en HTTPS), il n'est pas tellement possible de sécuriser cette 
restriction d'accès.






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Re: [OSM-co] Mapeo de árboles

2016-07-01 Per discussione Fredy Rivera 
En Bogotá esta el SIGAU del jardín Botanico.

Quizá puedas encontrar documentación sobre ese proceso.
http://190.25.157.13:8080/siga/index.jsf

salu2

2016-07-01 11:28 GMT-05:00 hyan...@gmail.com :
> Hola maperos,
>
> vamos a iniciar una actividad exploratoria para crear un inventario de
> árboles en un barrio de la ciudad de Cartagena, me preguntaba si alguno de
> ustedes ha realizado actividades similares y pueda compartir sobre
> aplicaciones o métodos para hacerlo.
>
> Gracias,
>
> Humberto Yances
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site

2016-07-01 Per discussione Andrew Hain 
Christian Ledermann 
 writes:

> 
> I'd also like to see an aggregator like 
http://planetpython.org/ or
> http://planet.plone.org/
> to have a central place where all UK OSM 
related blogs are consolidated
> which could be integrated in the main 
website (see http://iwlearn.net/news)

Or like blogs.openstreetmap.org?

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Re: [Talk-it] R: Re: Nota interessante

2016-07-01 Per discussione Andrea Lattmann 
>Avrai scelto un esempio sfortunato

mi sa di si, spero che si sia capito il concetto ;-D

Andrea Lattmann

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Re: [Talk-it] Mappe per OsmAnd su Gfoss Geodata non aggiornate

2016-07-01 Per discussione Max1234Ita 
Ho recuperato la stringa grazie a TeamViewer ad alla manina della Santa
Moglie :-p

Ecco qui:


> start javaw.exe -Djava.util.logging.config.file=logging.properties -Xms64M
> -Xmx10G -cp
> "./OsmAndMapCreator.jar;./lib/OsmAnd-core.jar;./lib/*.jar;./lib-gl/*.jar"
> net.osmand.swing.OsmExtractionUI

Però mi sa che questa fa partire l'interfaccia utente, poi seleziono io a
mano i pacchetti da creare (cioè tutto tranne l'Offline Rendering)...

Max





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Re: [OSM-talk-be] What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ? -- fietsparking

2016-07-01 Per discussione Marc Gemis 
De fietsparking op de foto is gemapped [1]

amenity=bicycle_parking
bicycle_parking=stands
capacity=10
covered=no
fee=no

genoeg detail ? :-)

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/424058482

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Philippe Casteleyn
 wrote:
> Ik vind fietsparkings belangrijk.
> Alhoewel het er naar mijn zin te veel zijn om zelf te mappen en ze wel
> ergens in een database moeten staan.
>
> Bij een tweede passage fotografeer ik ze wel.
>
> Ph Casteleyn
> Dahliastraat 16
> 2800 Mechelen
> animals.slippers.loaders
> gsm 0486 516261
> Ctrl+v
>
>
>> From: talk-be-requ...@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Talk-be Digest, Vol 103, Issue 2
>> To: talk-be@openstreetmap.org
>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:50:05 +
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>> 2. Re: What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ? (Marc Gemis)
>> 3. Re: What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ? (Jo)
>> 4. Re: What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ? (Marc Gemis)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 14:53:36 +0200
>> From: Gerard Vanderveken 
>> To: OpenStreetMap Belgium 
>> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ?
>> Message-ID: <577667d0.4080...@ghia.eu>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Checking on the map, learns me that most items are already thoroughly
>> mapped (street cabinets, bins, advertising, lanes, crossings,...)
>> Things lacking, but not derivable from the photo are the division of
>> buildings and the corresponding addresses of the buildings.
>> IMO addresses are of more importance then the little street furniture
>> and should get more priority in mapping.
>> Not meaning, that I don't appreciate these mappings, every added object
>> counts!
>>
>> When you have lot of time, you could also map the separated footwalk and
>> bicycle paths, but this is advanced stuff, and I don't recommend it, as
>> it is not so easy to make a correct separation and have all options for
>> connections and resulting in no foot etc on the main highway itself, so
>> that routing programs for bike and foot will always select the correct
>> paths. If not done well, it makes more clutter then making things real
>> or clear.
>> It seems these paths are already good and sufficient tagged in the map.
>>
>> So, in short, at first sight, not much extra to map from the photo.
>> (I assume the sign to TIA is simply a direction and not part of a
>> (tourist) route, which would imply a missing relation for some bicycle
>> route/network)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Gerard.
>>
>> Marc Gemis wrote:
>>
>> >I wonder whether we could learn to see/map more by looking at each
>> >other's survey pictures. Would it allow novices to "see more" ? Let's
>> >try out
>> >I know the mailing list does not allow to include pictures, so you
>> >have to do it with a link
>> >
>> >What could/would you map when you look at [1] ? What would you
>> >investigate further ?
>> >
>> >Feel free to answer in French/German/English or Dutch
>> >
>> >p.s. Feel free to look at the other pictures at the site [2] and map
>> >anything you want :-) Under the picture you'll find a (i) which shows
>> >a map when you click it
>> >
>> >
>> > Nederlands 
>> >
>> >Ik vraag me af of we van elkaar kunnen leren als we kijken naar de
>> >foto's die we maken tijdens een survey ? Zou het helpen om
>> >(beginnende) mappers meer te leren zien ? Laat ons het eens
>> >uitproberen. Jammer genoeg laat de mailing list niet toe om foto's toe
>> >te voegen, dus moet je het met een link stellen
>> >
>> >Wat zou je kunnen mappen, of wat map je gewoonlijk als je [1] bekijkt
>> >? Wat zou je van nader bij gaan bekijken ?
>> >
>> >
>> >p.s. Het staat je vrij om naar de andere foto's op de site [2] te
>> >kijken en om het even wat te mappen dat je erop ziet :-) Onder de foto
>> >staat een (i), als je daarop klikt, zie je een kaartje.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >[1]
>> > https://photos.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g/0/O/DSC_3228.jpg
>> >[2] gallery:
>> > https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site

2016-07-01 Per discussione Dave F 

Hi

To check, are editors able to create OSM slippy maps on this account? I 
believe there's a certain type of WP account that doesn't allow it.


Cheers
Dave F.

On 01/07/2016 16:38, Dennis Bauszus wrote:


I have setup a wordpress site.

http://osmuk.org/

Please drop me a mail if you want to become an editor and start 
posting or an administrator and help with the general layout.


Best,
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Re: [Talk-it] Mappe per OsmAnd su Gfoss Geodata non aggiornate

2016-07-01 Per discussione Max1234Ita 

non so dove sbattere la testa, magari è un baco introdotto nel
software per la creazione del file obf

Ottengo un errore sembra di memoria, ma gli ho assegnato 12GB :-o

Jun 27, 2016 12:52:02 PM net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator
extractOsmToNodesDB
INFO: File indexed : 3338135
Jun 27, 2016 12:52:02 PM net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator
generateIndex
SEVERE: OutOfMemory
java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space
at org.sqlite.core.DB.executeBatch(DB.java:743)
at
org.sqlite.core.CorePreparedStatement.executeBatch(CorePreparedStatement.java:77)
at
net.osmand.data.preparation.OsmDbCreator.acceptEntityToLoad(OsmDbCreator.java:393)
at
net.osmand.osm.io.OsmBaseStorage.acceptEntityToLoad(OsmBaseStorage.java:294)
at
net.osmand.osm.io.OsmBaseStoragePbf$1.registerEntity(OsmBaseStoragePbf.java:43)
at
net.osmand.osm.io.OsmBaseStoragePbf$1.parseDense(OsmBaseStoragePbf.java:100)
at crosby.binary.BinaryParser.parse(BinaryParser.java:107)
at crosby.binary.BinaryParser.handleBlock(BinaryParser.java:51)
at crosby.binary.file.FileBlock.process(FileBlock.java:120)
at
crosby.binary.file.BlockInputStream.process(BlockInputStream.java:15)
at
net.osmand.osm.io.OsmBaseStoragePbf.parseOSMPbf(OsmBaseStoragePbf.java:214)
at
net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator.extractOsmToNodesDB(IndexCreator.java:345)
at
net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator.initDbAccessor(IndexCreator.java:432)
at
net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator.generateIndexes(IndexCreator.java:650)
at
net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator.generateIndexes(IndexCreator.java:578)
at
net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator.generateIndex(IndexBatchCreator.java:552)
at
net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator.generatedIndexes(IndexBatchCreator.java:464)
at
net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator.runBatch(IndexBatchCreator.java:307)
at
net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator.main(IndexBatchCreator.java:165)

e lancio osmandcrator così

java -Djava.util.logging.config.file=logging.properties -Xms128M
-Xmx12000M -cp "./OsmAndMapCreator.jar:lib/OsmAnd-core.jar:./lib/*.jar"
net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator batch_geodati.xml



Ciao Luca,
In effetti sembra proprio che scarseggi la memoria.

Quando creo io il .obf col mio PC di casa (un vecchio I7-980 di 6 anni fa,
con 16 GB di RAM), ci mette 22 ore o giù di lì ma con "soli" 10 Giga di
memoria allocata; Probabilmente riuscirebbe anche con meno (stando a quanto
sostengono gli sviluppatori di OsmAnd sul forum dedicato, per l'Italia
dovrebbero bastare 8 Giga, ma per pigrizia mia non ci ho mai provato).

Un'altra causa di problemi potrebbe essere la versione di OsmAndMapCreator
che stai usando, in passato ho avuto anch'io dei problemi (venivano generati
output corrotti) che ho risolto installando la versione di OMC più recente.


Io però proverei a dare un'occhiata a quali file usi per compilre i .obf: le
mappe che generi sono funzionanti, ma identiche bit per bit a quelle
prodotte a marzo 2016 (confrontate con Total Commander).
Non è che per caso il tuo script scarica i .pbf aggiornati, li salva da
qualche parte e poi lancia la creazione utilizzando i file presenti in
chissà quale cache... che si trova altrove?

Al momento non ho accesso al mio desktop ma appena riesco a mettere mano
sulla stringa che uso io (batch file di Windows) te la passo.

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Re: [Talk-it] Nota interessante

2016-07-01 Per discussione Alecs 
Ciao Lorenzo,
sul primo punto concordo con te, è pacifico che nel linguaggio comune si può
dire così, ma non è quello che ci aspetteremmo di leggere su di una mappa.
Sul secondo, penso sia meglio specificare, proprio perchè non è scontato che
si chiami "Chiesa di", potrebbe essere Duomo, Basilica, Pieve, Cappella,
Oratorio ...

Ciao,
Alessandro


Lorenzo Beba Beltrami wrote
> Siccome siamo in argomento chiese, mi sono recentemente imbattuto in un
> utente della mia zona che dà nomi "colloquiali" a tutto quanto ("Pista
> polivalente", "Campetto da calcio", ecc.) tra cui le varie chiese elencate
> col nome del paese o del quartiere in cui stanno ("Chiesa di Bagnolo",
> "Parrocchia di San Biagio in Roncocesi").
> Mi chiedo:
> 1. Se parlo con chiunque mi viene da dire "Troviamoci alla 'Chiesa di
> Roncocesi'", ma (appurato che il suffisso non sia legato al santo o
> riportato da altre parti) ha senso metterlo nei tag name? Secondo me
> quella
> è una informazione geografica, del tipo building=church in "Roncocesi" più
> che name~"in Roncocesi".
> 2. Esplicitare "Chiesa" o "Parrocchia" nei tag name ha un senso? A volte
> ho
> incontrato anche solo "San Silvestro".
> 
> Concordo che la catalogazione dei name non è per nulla semplice e men che
> meno immediata...
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Re: [Talk-GB] How to mark something as closed

2016-07-01 Per discussione Dan S 
Hi

You're talking about the leisure=recreation_ground?
Change it to "disused:leisure=recreation_ground"
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disused:

Best
Dan

2016-07-01 15:27 GMT+01:00 Lester Caine :
> On 01/07/16 15:15, Stuart Reynolds wrote:
>> Action Park, near Basildon 
>> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=16/51.5851/0.5568) has been closed 
>> since May 2015 as it contravened Green Belt planning regulations.
>>
>> Should I a) just delete it, or b) do something else with it to mark it as 
>> historic and remove it from the map?
>
> Depends what is left on the ground, but an 'end_date=' would be useful
> for historic reference even if it is then deleted for other reasons.
> This is an area where a better process needs to be laid down?
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site

2016-07-01 Per discussione Dennis Bauszus 

On 01/07/2016 13:27, Christian Ledermann wrote:

I'd also like to see an aggregator like http://planetpython.org/ or
http://planet.plone.org/
to have a central place where all UK OSM related blogs are consolidated
which could be integrated in the main website (see http://iwlearn.net/news)

As an aside I've been developing websites (most of them with a strong community
background) for a living for over 10 years.


On 1 July 2016 at 13:12, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:

It very much depends what the focus of the website is and how it is
going to be used.
From a sysadmins point of view i am weary about wordpress (or joomla,
drupal) because
it requires constant vigilance to install the latest version and
patches, which are quite frequent
so the initial setup time becomes a moot point over the lifetime of a website.


Before I jump to conclusions which technology to suggest it would be
nice to gather requirements
so an informed decision can be made.


On 1 July 2016 at 11:43, Harry Wood  wrote:

I'm interested in helping out with an OSM UK website. I have a few ideas.

Actually the thing I'm most interested in is what you're touching on here. I'm 
keen to avoid a situation where we have a website festering unmaintained, or 
even just having niggling things wrong with it, and no way for me to 
pro-actively fix them.

Being easy to use, as an admin, is good...  however that doesn't help somebody 
who's not an admin. Given our large group of (quite a lot of tech savvy) UK 
OSmers, the contribution model of wordpress might feel a bit restrictive. In 
fact I've felt this frustration with some of the past SOTM websites. It's not 
so good for allowing the wider community to pro-actively fix a niggle.

I guess what I'm saying is... I'm happy with wordpress as long as I am one of 
the admins :-)

A git repo approach is quite a neat contribution model for this kind of thing. 
But yeah it's not as easy as editing wordpress. If Rob is going to be the most 
pro-active maintainer, and he's not comfortable with github, then that's 
certainly a problem with that idea.

I'm imagining an OSM UK website could be quite heavy on syndicated content. It 
could copy in and present these mailing list posts, the forum, and even have a 
chatroom (web->IRC). That would help keep it fresh, and relevant to our 
community with less onus on a restricted set of admin users (I think this idea is 
a thing we should do regardless of what the rest of the site is built with)

The key messages of the website will of course depend on the other discussion 
we're having here: What are the main goals and key messages of the OSM UK 
organisation/community?

Harry

From: Rob Nickerson 
To: dbaus...@gmail.com; Talk-GB 
Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016, 18:50
Subject: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site



Hi Dennis,

Don't worry about hosting issues when comparing the options. The group should 
probably get its own hosting anyway. The Mappa Mercia one is super easy to use 
and that's coming from somebody who is not techy at all.

To set up the wordpress account all that was needed was to sign in to Webfaction 
dashboard, select "add new application" and then click wordpress. Ta-da a fully 
functional wordpress installation! Since then we added an application for simple (static) 
pages. This is how we drive the maps on mappa-mercia.org.


Key things is that whatever we do it is easy to use. The old mappa-mercia site 
wasn't and we were dependent on one person. When he left the site died. 
Similarly the current state of the map website is github pages system and is 
too techie for me. This is frustrating as I now rely on one or two people to do 
the updates. You need the barrier to be low so that as many people as possible 
can be involved with keeping it maintained.



Rob

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you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.

1) Don’t drive species to extinction

2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.

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I have setup a wordpress site.

http://osmuk.org/

Please drop me a mail if you want to become an editor and start posting 
or an administrator and help with the general layout.


Best,
Dennis

Re: [Talk-it] Nota interessante

2016-07-01 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer 
2016-07-01 16:00 GMT+02:00 Andrea Lattmann :

> Perché come hai fatto notare, se metto nel name "Ufficio postale di
> Milazzo", c' è già il tag per l' ufficio postale ed è implicito che è a
> Milazzo.



veramente, il tag amenity=post_office non dice "ufficio postale", o meglio,
letteralmente lo dice, ma non tutti gli oggetti con quel tag sono "uffici
postali" nel senso tradizionale, sono posti dove servizi postali sono
venduti.

Faccio un esempio: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3803189115
per me il negozio è mappato correttamente (l'ho fatto io, quindi sarebbe
strano se trovassi di no), ma non metterei "ufficio postale" nel campo nome.

E' un loro ufficio / agenzia / negozio: http://www.postaexpress.it/

Ciao,
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[Talk-it] R: Re: Nota interessante

2016-07-01 Per discussione ale_z...@libero.it 
>
>.. Perché come hai fatto notare, se metto nel name "Ufficio postale di 
Milazzo", c' è già il tag per l' ufficio postale ed è implicito che è a 
Milazzo. 
>


Avrai scelto un esempio sfortunato, ma gli uffici postali a volte si chiamano 
proprio Ufficio Postale di Roccacannuccia e quello è il nome ufficiale (poi se 
volessimo potremmo mettere il frazionario dell'ufficio)
L'ufficio più vicino a Roccacannuccia infattamente :-)  si chiama

Ufficio postale
NARDO'
(Frazionario 31087)
CORSO GIUSEPPE GARIBALDI 8, 73048 NARDO' (LE) 

Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ?

2016-07-01 Per discussione Glenn Plas 
On 01-07-16 16:30, Marc Gemis wrote:
> I totally agree with you on that. I'm one of Glenn's beta testers and
> I have noticed that depending on the town, the data given by GRB/Crab
> can be good or very bad/outdated.
> Also the data is rather limited in the types of buildings that it
> recognizes, which is a problem for me.

That is why you need humans to import it.   And that is why I want a
feedback system which I yet have to make.  We should mark bad source
data in OSM with a key/value combination.

And we need to mark bad GRB data as well and make this available to the
public.  I'll not be entering a case is LARA for every error I find.

We need to think about the next mapper as well, so if someone sees a
structure doesn't match GRB , I want to prevent him from (bring to
attention) from creating an error, rather that recognise OSM has better
data.  I see this a lot: structures with wrong dimension.

But that is exactly why we don't blindly import stuff.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ?

2016-07-01 Per discussione Marc Gemis 
I totally agree with you on that. I'm one of Glenn's beta testers and
I have noticed that depending on the town, the data given by GRB/Crab
can be good or very bad/outdated.
Also the data is rather limited in the types of buildings that it
recognizes, which is a problem for me.
Feel free to take a look at [1] to see stuff that is obviously wrong
in GRB, even from aerial imagery. I gave up on adding more screenshots
recently, but it should give you an idea of the data quality you can
expect :-)


m.


[1] https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/Screenshots/AGIV-Problems/

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Gerard Vanderveken  wrote:
> Congrats!!!
> ( I didn't  connect the OSM username with you.)
>
> To me, as there are not much real unmapped places in Belgium, you should
> always start from the map and during survey check what is missing and
> otherwise, if what is present on the map is actually still present and
> correct.
> Else you could take a lot of pictures and notes of things already done.
> Seems a waste of time and effort to me.
>
> As said below, for me the current mapping of sidewalks is fine!
>
> For the buildings and house numbering, I see a lot of the same problems with
> these automatic imports as in regard with the 'import' of satelite photo's.
> Every day, buildings, new streets, ... get constructed or demolished.
> Satelite photo's and databases are frequently not on par with the real
> situation.
> eg. In Huldenberg you have Zagerijstraat, Priesterberg, 20 houses down at
> the St-Jansbergstwg, etc.
> IMO, every import at the desk, should be followed or preceeded by a survey
> at place, to verify current status.
> I consider these tools more as a drawing aid and see the real force of the
> open street map in its continual survey by the many and as such following
> much closer the reality, then the other tools.
>
> Regards,
> Gerard
>
>
> Marc Gemis wrote:
>
> I know I mapped the place in detail, but I hoped people would mention
> what they would map without looking at the map :-)
>
> I stopped mapping house numbers ( I have collected more than 20.000 by
> hand according to Pascal Neis :-)  ), as they are imported via CRAB at
> the moment and maybe later this year via a GRB import (with the
> buildings).
> That's why I turned to other stuff.
>
> I've heard pro's and con's for separate sidewalks & cycleways. I don't
> separate them as long as there is no physical barrier (hedge, guard
> rail, ditch,...)
> I'll try to map sidewalk=... or cycleway=... on the road though.
>
> I'll have a closer look at the TIA sign
>
> m.
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Gerard Vanderveken  wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Checking on the map, learns me that most items are already thoroughly mapped
> (street cabinets, bins, advertising, lanes, crossings,...)
> Things lacking, but not derivable from the photo are the division of
> buildings and the corresponding addresses of the buildings.
> IMO addresses are of more importance then the little street furniture and
> should get more priority in mapping.
> Not meaning, that I don't appreciate these mappings, every added object
> counts!
>
> When you have lot of time, you could also map the separated footwalk and
> bicycle paths, but this is advanced stuff, and I don't recommend it, as it
> is not so easy to make a correct separation and have all options for
> connections and resulting in no foot etc on the main highway itself, so that
> routing programs for bike and foot will always select the correct paths. If
> not done well, it makes more clutter then making things real or clear.
> It seems these paths are already good and sufficient tagged in the map.
>
> So, in short, at first sight, not much extra to map from the photo.
> (I assume the sign to TIA is simply a direction and not part of a (tourist)
> route, which would imply a missing relation for some bicycle route/network)
>
> Regards,
> Gerard.
>
> Marc Gemis wrote:
>
>
>
> I wonder whether we could learn to see/map more by looking at each
> other's survey pictures. Would it allow novices to "see more" ? Let's
> try out
> I know the mailing list does not allow to include pictures, so you
> have to do it with a link
>
> What could/would you map when you look at [1] ? What would you
> investigate further ?
>
> Feel free to answer in French/German/English or Dutch
>
> p.s. Feel free to look at the other pictures at the site [2] and map
> anything you want :-) Under the picture you'll find a (i) which shows
> a map when you click it
>
>
>  Nederlands 
>
> Ik vraag me af of we van elkaar kunnen leren als we kijken naar de
> foto's die we maken tijdens een survey ? Zou het helpen om
> (beginnende) mappers meer te leren zien ? Laat ons het eens
> uitproberen. Jammer genoeg laat de mailing list niet toe om foto's toe
> te voegen, dus moet je het met een link stellen
>
> Wat zou je kunnen mappen, of wat map je gewoonlijk als je [1] bekijkt
> ? Wat zou je van nader bij gaan bekijken ?
>
>
> p.s. Het

Re: [Talk-GB] How to mark something as closed

2016-07-01 Per discussione Lester Caine 
On 01/07/16 15:15, Stuart Reynolds wrote:
> Action Park, near Basildon 
> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=16/51.5851/0.5568) has been closed 
> since May 2015 as it contravened Green Belt planning regulations.
> 
> Should I a) just delete it, or b) do something else with it to mark it as 
> historic and remove it from the map?

Depends what is left on the ground, but an 'end_date=' would be useful
for historic reference even if it is then deleted for other reasons.
This is an area where a better process needs to be laid down?

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ?

2016-07-01 Per discussione Jo 
Gerard,

You are correct, of course. Still, the tools need to be beta tested,
preferably by people interested in mapping addresses and buildings.

Jo

2016-07-01 16:08 GMT+02:00 Gerard Vanderveken :

> Congrats!!!
> ( I didn't  connect the OSM username with you.)
>
> To me, as there are not much real unmapped places in Belgium, you should
> always start from the map and during survey check what is missing and
> otherwise, if what is present on the map is actually still present and
> correct.
> Else you could take a lot of pictures and notes of things already done.
> Seems a waste of time and effort to me.
>
> As said below, for me the current mapping of sidewalks is fine!
>
> For the buildings and house numbering, I see a lot of the same problems
> with these automatic imports as in regard with the 'import' of satelite
> photo's.
> Every day, buildings, new streets, ... get constructed or demolished.
> Satelite photo's and databases are frequently not on par with the real
> situation.
> eg. In Huldenberg you have Zagerijstraat, Priesterberg, 20 houses down at
> the St-Jansbergstwg, etc.
> IMO, every import at the desk, should be followed or preceeded by a survey
> at place, to verify current status.
> I consider these tools more as a drawing aid and see the real force of the
> open street map in its continual survey by the many and as such following
> much closer the reality, then the other tools.
>
> Regards,
> Gerard
>
>
> Marc Gemis wrote:
>
> I know I mapped the place in detail, but I hoped people would mention
> what they would map without looking at the map :-)
>
> I stopped mapping house numbers ( I have collected more than 20.000 by
> hand according to Pascal Neis :-)  ), as they are imported via CRAB at
> the moment and maybe later this year via a GRB import (with the
> buildings).
> That's why I turned to other stuff.
>
> I've heard pro's and con's for separate sidewalks & cycleways. I don't
> separate them as long as there is no physical barrier (hedge, guard
> rail, ditch,...)
> I'll try to map sidewalk=... or cycleway=... on the road though.
>
> I'll have a closer look at the TIA sign
>
> m.
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Gerard Vanderveken  
>  wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Checking on the map, learns me that most items are already thoroughly mapped
> (street cabinets, bins, advertising, lanes, crossings,...)
> Things lacking, but not derivable from the photo are the division of
> buildings and the corresponding addresses of the buildings.
> IMO addresses are of more importance then the little street furniture and
> should get more priority in mapping.
> Not meaning, that I don't appreciate these mappings, every added object
> counts!
>
> When you have lot of time, you could also map the separated footwalk and
> bicycle paths, but this is advanced stuff, and I don't recommend it, as it
> is not so easy to make a correct separation and have all options for
> connections and resulting in no foot etc on the main highway itself, so that
> routing programs for bike and foot will always select the correct paths. If
> not done well, it makes more clutter then making things real or clear.
> It seems these paths are already good and sufficient tagged in the map.
>
> So, in short, at first sight, not much extra to map from the photo.
> (I assume the sign to TIA is simply a direction and not part of a (tourist)
> route, which would imply a missing relation for some bicycle route/network)
>
> Regards,
> Gerard.
>
> Marc Gemis wrote:
>
>
>
> I wonder whether we could learn to see/map more by looking at each
> other's survey pictures. Would it allow novices to "see more" ? Let's
> try out
> I know the mailing list does not allow to include pictures, so you
> have to do it with a link
>
> What could/would you map when you look at [1] ? What would you
> investigate further ?
>
> Feel free to answer in French/German/English or Dutch
>
> p.s. Feel free to look at the other pictures at the site [2] and map
> anything you want :-) Under the picture you'll find a (i) which shows
> a map when you click it
>
>
>  Nederlands 
>
> Ik vraag me af of we van elkaar kunnen leren als we kijken naar de
> foto's die we maken tijdens een survey ? Zou het helpen om
> (beginnende) mappers meer te leren zien ? Laat ons het eens
> uitproberen. Jammer genoeg laat de mailing list niet toe om foto's toe
> te voegen, dus moet je het met een link stellen
>
> Wat zou je kunnen mappen, of wat map je gewoonlijk als je [1] bekijkt
> ? Wat zou je van nader bij gaan bekijken ?
>
>
> p.s. Het staat je vrij om naar de andere foto's op de site [2] te
> kijken en om het even wat te mappen dat je erop ziet :-) Onder de foto
> staat een (i), als je daarop klikt, zie je een kaartje.
>
>
>
>
> [1]https://photos.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g/0/O/DSC_3228.jpg
> [2] gallery:https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g
>
>

Re: [OSM-talk-be] What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ?

2016-07-01 Per discussione Gerard Vanderveken 

Congrats!!!
( I didn't  connect the OSM username with you.)

To me, as there are not much real unmapped places in Belgium, you should 
always start from the map and during survey check what is missing and 
otherwise, if what is present on the map is actually still present and 
correct.
Else you could take a lot of pictures and notes of things already done. 
Seems a waste of time and effort to me.


As said below, for me the current mapping of sidewalks is fine!

For the buildings and house numbering, I see a lot of the same problems 
with these automatic imports as in regard with the 'import' of satelite 
photo's.
Every day, buildings, new streets, ... get constructed or demolished.  
Satelite photo's and databases are frequently not on par with the real 
situation.
eg. In Huldenberg you have Zagerijstraat, Priesterberg, 20 houses down 
at the St-Jansbergstwg, etc.
IMO, every import at the desk, should be followed or preceeded by a 
survey at place, to verify current status.
I consider these tools more as a drawing aid and see the real force of 
the open street map in its continual survey by the many and as such 
following much closer the reality, then the other tools.


Regards,
Gerard

Marc Gemis wrote:


I know I mapped the place in detail, but I hoped people would mention
what they would map without looking at the map :-)

I stopped mapping house numbers ( I have collected more than 20.000 by
hand according to Pascal Neis :-)  ), as they are imported via CRAB at
the moment and maybe later this year via a GRB import (with the
buildings).
That's why I turned to other stuff.

I've heard pro's and con's for separate sidewalks & cycleways. I don't
separate them as long as there is no physical barrier (hedge, guard
rail, ditch,...)
I'll try to map sidewalk=... or cycleway=... on the road though.

I'll have a closer look at the TIA sign

m.

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Gerard Vanderveken  wrote:
 


Hi,

Checking on the map, learns me that most items are already thoroughly mapped
(street cabinets, bins, advertising, lanes, crossings,...)
Things lacking, but not derivable from the photo are the division of
buildings and the corresponding addresses of the buildings.
IMO addresses are of more importance then the little street furniture and
should get more priority in mapping.
Not meaning, that I don't appreciate these mappings, every added object
counts!

When you have lot of time, you could also map the separated footwalk and
bicycle paths, but this is advanced stuff, and I don't recommend it, as it
is not so easy to make a correct separation and have all options for
connections and resulting in no foot etc on the main highway itself, so that
routing programs for bike and foot will always select the correct paths. If
not done well, it makes more clutter then making things real or clear.
It seems these paths are already good and sufficient tagged in the map.

So, in short, at first sight, not much extra to map from the photo.
(I assume the sign to TIA is simply a direction and not part of a (tourist)
route, which would imply a missing relation for some bicycle route/network)

Regards,
Gerard.

Marc Gemis wrote:

   


I wonder whether we could learn to see/map more by looking at each
other's survey pictures. Would it allow novices to "see more" ? Let's
try out
I know the mailing list does not allow to include pictures, so you
have to do it with a link

What could/would you map when you look at [1] ? What would you
investigate further ?

Feel free to answer in French/German/English or Dutch

p.s. Feel free to look at the other pictures at the site [2] and map
anything you want :-) Under the picture you'll find a (i) which shows
a map when you click it


 Nederlands 

Ik vraag me af of we van elkaar kunnen leren als we kijken naar de
foto's die we maken tijdens een survey ? Zou het helpen om
(beginnende) mappers meer te leren zien ? Laat ons het eens
uitproberen. Jammer genoeg laat de mailing list niet toe om foto's toe
te voegen, dus moet je het met een link stellen

Wat zou je kunnen mappen, of wat map je gewoonlijk als je [1] bekijkt
? Wat zou je van nader bij gaan bekijken ?


p.s. Het staat je vrij om naar de andere foto's op de site [2] te
kijken en om het even wat te mappen dat je erop ziet :-) Onder de foto
staat een (i), als je daarop klikt, zie je een kaartje.




[1]
https://photos.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g/0/O/DSC_3228.jpg
[2] gallery:
https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Talk-be Digest, Vol 103, Issue 2

2016-07-01 Per discussione Philippe Casteleyn 
Ik vind fietsparkings belangrijk.Alhoewel het er naar mijn zin te veel zijn om 
zelf te mappen en ze wel ergens in een database moeten staan.
Bij een tweede passage fotografeer ik ze wel.

Ph Casteleyn 
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2800 Mechelen
animals.slippers.loaders

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> From: Gerard Vanderveken 
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> Hi,
> 
> Checking on the map, learns me that most items are already thoroughly 
> mapped (street cabinets, bins, advertising, lanes, crossings,...)
> Things lacking, but not derivable from the photo are the division of 
> buildings and the corresponding addresses of the buildings.
> IMO addresses are of more importance then the little street furniture 
> and should get more priority in mapping.
> Not meaning, that I don't appreciate these mappings, every added object 
> counts!
> 
> When you have lot of time, you could also map the separated footwalk and 
> bicycle paths, but this is advanced stuff, and I don't recommend it, as 
> it is not so easy to make a correct separation and have all options for 
> connections and resulting in no foot etc on the main highway itself, so 
> that routing programs for bike and foot will always select the correct 
> paths. If not done well, it makes more clutter then making things real 
> or clear.
> It seems these paths are already good and sufficient tagged in the map.
> 
> So, in short, at first sight, not much extra to map from the photo.
> (I assume the sign to TIA is simply a direction and not part of a 
> (tourist) route, which would imply a missing relation for some bicycle 
> route/network)
> 
> Regards,
> Gerard.
> 
> Marc Gemis wrote:
> 
> >I wonder whether we could learn to see/map more by looking at each
> >other's survey pictures. Would it allow novices to "see more" ? Let's
> >try out
> >I know the mailing list does not allow to include pictures, so you
> >have to do it with a link
> >
> >What could/would you map when you look at [1] ? What would you
> >investigate further ?
> >
> >Feel free to answer in French/German/English or Dutch
> >
> >p.s. Feel free to look at the other pictures at the site [2] and map
> >anything you want :-) Under the picture you'll find a (i) which shows
> >a map when you click it
> >
> >
> > Nederlands 
> >
> >Ik vraag me af of we van elkaar kunnen leren als we kijken naar de
> >foto's die we maken tijdens een survey ? Zou het helpen om
> >(beginnende) mappers meer te leren zien ? Laat ons het eens
> >uitproberen. Jammer genoeg laat de mailing list niet toe om foto's toe
> >te voegen, dus moet je het met een link stellen
> >
> >Wat zou je kunnen mappen, of wat map je gewoonlijk als je [1] bekijkt
> >? Wat zou je van nader bij gaan bekijken ?
> >
> >
> >p.s. Het staat je vrij om naar de andere foto's op de site [2] te
> >kijken en om het even wat te mappen dat je erop ziet :-) Onder de foto
> >staat een (i), als je daarop klikt, zie je een kaartje.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >[1] 
> >https://photos.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g/0/O/DSC_3228.jpg
> >[2] gallery: 
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:31:46 +0200
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Re: [Talk-it] Nota interessante

2016-07-01 Per discussione Andrea Lattmann 
Credo che la discussione possa deviare anche su altri oggetti, non solo sulle 
chiese, perché alla fine è il discorso name da affrontare. Perché come hai 
fatto notare, se metto nel name "Ufficio postale di Milazzo", c' è già il tag 
per l' ufficio postale ed è implicito che è a Milazzo. Visto che non si mappa 
per il rendering, a questo punto scrivendo il name si scende a compromessi? 
Quindi vale la regola di non mappare per il rendering, ma se inseriamo un name 
corto che faccia capire al volo cos'è, tanto meglio? Non ci sono delle mini 
linee guida?


Andrea Lattmann

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ?

2016-07-01 Per discussione Marc Gemis 
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Gerard Vanderveken  wrote:
> IMO addresses are of more importance then the little street furniture and
> should get more priority in mapping.

I don't use addresses a lot myself

- navigation for my walks: no addresses needed
- navigation to get to a walk: a street + nearby parking is enough
- navigation to a POI, you could search by name

only in case I need to get to someone's house I need a house number.

m

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[OSM-ja] GPSログを取ろうとしたら同期出来なかった

2016-07-01 Per discussione ribbon 
先週末に、某所でGPSのログを取ろうとしたら、GPSロガーが全く
電波を拾えず、同期出来ませんでした。
頭の上に何もないような所で、数分同じ位置で立っていたのですが、
それでも駄目でした。

天気は曇り、今にも雨が降りそうな状態でした。
天候が悪いとやはりGPS衛星を捕まえられないのでしょうか。

ちなみに使ったのはM-241です。

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ?

2016-07-01 Per discussione Marc Gemis 
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Jo  wrote:
> What about the buttons on the traffic lights? And in how much detail to map
> those traffic lights?

O, nice one !
According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:crossing you could
use "button_operated=yes"

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[OSM-ja] Mapilleryについて

2016-07-01 Per discussione ribbon 
ribbonです。

佐久島のマッピングでMapilleryが話題になっていましたので、
質問です。

投稿されていた写真を見ましたが、人の顔がぼかされていますが、自動車の
ナンバープレートはぼかしが入っていないように見えました。これは、自動
車のナンバープレートには対応していないと思って良いでしょうか。

また、https://www.mapillary.com/privacy.html
をみたのですが、

Please note that once you make a public posting, you may not be able to change 
or remove it.

とあります。これは、一同投稿したら、たとえプライバシーの問題等があっても
消せない、と言うことでしょうか。

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Re: [Talk-it] Mappe per OsmAnd su Gfoss Geodata non aggiornate

2016-07-01 Per discussione Andrea Lattmann 
>Ricordo a tutti che,
>se avete necessità di risorse hardware >legati a progetti OSM,
>abbiamo macchine a disposizione >finalizzate proprio a questo e rese
>disponibili da wikimedia foundation.

Per davvero???

Andrea Lattmann

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ?

2016-07-01 Per discussione Jo 
They put that sign there, so I'd remember how to get to my aunt's house.
She's Spanish...

What about the buttons on the traffic lights? And in how much detail to map
those traffic lights?

Gerard, addresses are indeed important. Glenn needs beta testers for adding
them from CRAB/AGIV. I'm rather busy with improving JOSM to map public
transport, so I'm not getting around to it to test his work, but he's
making great progress.
Soon, it should become possible for everybody who uses JOSM to map those
public transport routes and if they get broken by changes to the underlying
infrastructure, to figure out how to fix them with as little effort as
possible.

Cheers,

Jo



2016-07-01 15:31 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis :

> I know I mapped the place in detail, but I hoped people would mention
> what they would map without looking at the map :-)
>
> I stopped mapping house numbers ( I have collected more than 20.000 by
> hand according to Pascal Neis :-)  ), as they are imported via CRAB at
> the moment and maybe later this year via a GRB import (with the
> buildings).
> That's why I turned to other stuff.
>
> I've heard pro's and con's for separate sidewalks & cycleways. I don't
> separate them as long as there is no physical barrier (hedge, guard
> rail, ditch,...)
> I'll try to map sidewalk=... or cycleway=... on the road though.
>
> I'll have a closer look at the TIA sign
>
> m.
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Gerard Vanderveken  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Checking on the map, learns me that most items are already thoroughly
> mapped
> > (street cabinets, bins, advertising, lanes, crossings,...)
> > Things lacking, but not derivable from the photo are the division of
> > buildings and the corresponding addresses of the buildings.
> > IMO addresses are of more importance then the little street furniture and
> > should get more priority in mapping.
> > Not meaning, that I don't appreciate these mappings, every added object
> > counts!
> >
> > When you have lot of time, you could also map the separated footwalk and
> > bicycle paths, but this is advanced stuff, and I don't recommend it, as
> it
> > is not so easy to make a correct separation and have all options for
> > connections and resulting in no foot etc on the main highway itself, so
> that
> > routing programs for bike and foot will always select the correct paths.
> If
> > not done well, it makes more clutter then making things real or clear.
> > It seems these paths are already good and sufficient tagged in the map.
> >
> > So, in short, at first sight, not much extra to map from the photo.
> > (I assume the sign to TIA is simply a direction and not part of a
> (tourist)
> > route, which would imply a missing relation for some bicycle
> route/network)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gerard.
> >
> > Marc Gemis wrote:
> >
> >> I wonder whether we could learn to see/map more by looking at each
> >> other's survey pictures. Would it allow novices to "see more" ? Let's
> >> try out
> >> I know the mailing list does not allow to include pictures, so you
> >> have to do it with a link
> >>
> >> What could/would you map when you look at [1] ? What would you
> >> investigate further ?
> >>
> >> Feel free to answer in French/German/English or Dutch
> >>
> >> p.s. Feel free to look at the other pictures at the site [2] and map
> >> anything you want :-) Under the picture you'll find a (i) which shows
> >> a map when you click it
> >>
> >>
> >>  Nederlands 
> >>
> >> Ik vraag me af of we van elkaar kunnen leren als we kijken naar de
> >> foto's die we maken tijdens een survey ? Zou het helpen om
> >> (beginnende) mappers meer te leren zien ? Laat ons het eens
> >> uitproberen. Jammer genoeg laat de mailing list niet toe om foto's toe
> >> te voegen, dus moet je het met een link stellen
> >>
> >> Wat zou je kunnen mappen, of wat map je gewoonlijk als je [1] bekijkt
> >> ? Wat zou je van nader bij gaan bekijken ?
> >>
> >>
> >> p.s. Het staat je vrij om naar de andere foto's op de site [2] te
> >> kijken en om het even wat te mappen dat je erop ziet :-) Onder de foto
> >> staat een (i), als je daarop klikt, zie je een kaartje.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [1]
> >>
> https://photos.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g/0/O/DSC_3228.jpg
> >> [2] gallery:
> >> https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g
> >>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] What could you map ? / Wat kan je mappen ?

2016-07-01 Per discussione Marc Gemis 
I know I mapped the place in detail, but I hoped people would mention
what they would map without looking at the map :-)

I stopped mapping house numbers ( I have collected more than 20.000 by
hand according to Pascal Neis :-)  ), as they are imported via CRAB at
the moment and maybe later this year via a GRB import (with the
buildings).
That's why I turned to other stuff.

I've heard pro's and con's for separate sidewalks & cycleways. I don't
separate them as long as there is no physical barrier (hedge, guard
rail, ditch,...)
I'll try to map sidewalk=... or cycleway=... on the road though.

I'll have a closer look at the TIA sign

m.

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Gerard Vanderveken  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Checking on the map, learns me that most items are already thoroughly mapped
> (street cabinets, bins, advertising, lanes, crossings,...)
> Things lacking, but not derivable from the photo are the division of
> buildings and the corresponding addresses of the buildings.
> IMO addresses are of more importance then the little street furniture and
> should get more priority in mapping.
> Not meaning, that I don't appreciate these mappings, every added object
> counts!
>
> When you have lot of time, you could also map the separated footwalk and
> bicycle paths, but this is advanced stuff, and I don't recommend it, as it
> is not so easy to make a correct separation and have all options for
> connections and resulting in no foot etc on the main highway itself, so that
> routing programs for bike and foot will always select the correct paths. If
> not done well, it makes more clutter then making things real or clear.
> It seems these paths are already good and sufficient tagged in the map.
>
> So, in short, at first sight, not much extra to map from the photo.
> (I assume the sign to TIA is simply a direction and not part of a (tourist)
> route, which would imply a missing relation for some bicycle route/network)
>
> Regards,
> Gerard.
>
> Marc Gemis wrote:
>
>> I wonder whether we could learn to see/map more by looking at each
>> other's survey pictures. Would it allow novices to "see more" ? Let's
>> try out
>> I know the mailing list does not allow to include pictures, so you
>> have to do it with a link
>>
>> What could/would you map when you look at [1] ? What would you
>> investigate further ?
>>
>> Feel free to answer in French/German/English or Dutch
>>
>> p.s. Feel free to look at the other pictures at the site [2] and map
>> anything you want :-) Under the picture you'll find a (i) which shows
>> a map when you click it
>>
>>
>>  Nederlands 
>>
>> Ik vraag me af of we van elkaar kunnen leren als we kijken naar de
>> foto's die we maken tijdens een survey ? Zou het helpen om
>> (beginnende) mappers meer te leren zien ? Laat ons het eens
>> uitproberen. Jammer genoeg laat de mailing list niet toe om foto's toe
>> te voegen, dus moet je het met een link stellen
>>
>> Wat zou je kunnen mappen, of wat map je gewoonlijk als je [1] bekijkt
>> ? Wat zou je van nader bij gaan bekijken ?
>>
>>
>> p.s. Het staat je vrij om naar de andere foto's op de site [2] te
>> kijken en om het even wat te mappen dat je erop ziet :-) Onder de foto
>> staat een (i), als je daarop klikt, zie je een kaartje.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://photos.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g/0/O/DSC_3228.jpg
>> [2] gallery:
>> https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] User defamation

2016-07-01 Per discussione Brian Prangle 
Hi everyone

Sorted offlist following DWG intervention

Regards

Brian

On 1 July 2016 at 13:27, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> Use pmailkeey has taken to provocatively commenting on all his changesets
> throughout the UK, regardless of whether I've edited or not:
> Improving map or correcting deliberate damage by brianboru
>
> I have a low opinion of this mapper, and have had several conversations
> with him all of which have been fruitless and thoroughly antisocial on his
> part - to the extent I have concuded it's not worth having conversations
> with him - he's intent on doing his own thing regardless -  I just waste
> hours correcting his work.
>
> Can whoever has the authority to do something about this  sort him out
>
> He edits randomly all over the UK - you might want to check his edits -
> some are OK but many are not.
>
>
> Regards
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> Brian
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Re: [Talk-it] Nome in tag edificio e in nodo

2016-07-01 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer 


sent from a phone

> Il giorno 01 lug 2016, alle ore 09:32, Giulio Barba  
> ha scritto:
> 
> Perfetto, ho una curiosità: i vari software che prendono i PDI da 
> OpenStreetMaps individuano il punto di interesse sia che sia segnato come 
> edificio sia che sia segnato come nodo? Grazie


quelli fatti bene si


ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] Nota interessante

2016-07-01 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer 


sent from a phone

> Il giorno 01 lug 2016, alle ore 11:55, Andrea Lattmann 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Concordo che scrivere nel name Duomo quando Duomo non è può essere 
> fuorviante, quindi siamo punto a capo: cosa si mette nel name senza essere 
> fuorvianti e ridondanti con, ad esempio, il loc_name?


in "name" ci scrivi il nome "normale", non troppo lungo, quello che avrebbe 
senso vederlo sul rendering generale. Se gli altri tags come loc_name, reg_name 
sarebbero uguali, non li riempire.

Ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] Nome in tag edificio e in nodo

2016-07-01 Per discussione Marco_T 
dieterdreist wrote
> sent from a phone
> 
>> Il giorno 30 giu 2016, alle ore 14:23, Marco_T 

> totomar@

>  ha scritto:
>> 
>> Chiedo anche agli altri conferma di questa mia interpretazione.
> 
> 
> +1, meglio però un'area anche per il museo, perché consente di capire
> quanto è grande, dove sono gli ingressi ecc.

Perfetto. Grazie.

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Re: [Talk-it] associazioni varie

2016-07-01 Per discussione Marco_T 
dgitto wrote
> Il 30/06/2016 10:42, Marco_T ha scritto:
> 
>> "Associazione Nazionale Alpini sezione di [località]"
>> "Associazione Nazionale Alpini gruppo di [località]"
>>
>> o meglio accorciare con:
>> "A.N.A. sezione di [località]"
>> "A.N.A. gruppo di [località]"
>> ?
> 
> +1 per la forma estesa, in questo caso
> 
> Daniele

OK. Concordo.
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Re: [Talk-us] Join us for another import party at the L.A. Times June 25

2016-07-01 Per discussione Omar Ureta 
Hi Jon and Michael,

With the importance of having buildings on OSM, I agree that we should
have POI for the businesses or listings in a building as they may
change over the course of the year (say a business is no longer
there), the likely-hood of the building changing won't.

>From an architectural and urban planning perspective, the building
characteristics (type of building, age, height, type of construction,
of the building, SquareFootage, # of floors) are of interest for
applications or visualization (density analysis, distribution of land
uses, open space, 3d modeling) similar to identifying the
characteristics of a bridge like it's structure type. I've been
reading about the use of "Indoor_Mapping" of buildings in OSM to
indicate rooms, seating capacity, # of elevators that could eventually
be added. In Los Angeles there are buildings that are listed on
historic registers on a National, State and Local level. The architect
of the building can be listed as key,
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:architect.

In regards for emergency, how does the effort with HOTOSM play into
adding buildings for relief efforts? We're always working post
disaster. The opportunity before LA's long awaited big earthquake is
to have the LA map ready for such an event, to which I'm sure a HOTOSM
would occur for people to use recent satellite imagery of a
post-earthquake LA to tag buildings as damaged, which could serve as a
base layer for official maps for respective agencies.

With building a strong mapping community, I believe those in LA
(myself and Jon included) have a tremendous undertaking in getting
word out about OSM in general, many of the local universities (USC,
UCLA) are not even aware of OSM or such a platform, even notable is
the lack of knowledge on Free and Open Source Software (many are tied
to ESRI and other propreitary platforms). It is with this building
import that this brings newcomers to the scene and we could get the
dedicated few or "many" in contributing and maintaing the LA map.

-Omar


Sorry if this is duplication: didn't know if my last email went through.

On Jun 30, 2016, at 10:00 AM, Michael Reichert https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us>> wrote:

Hi,

Am Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:20:46 + schrieb Jonathan Schleuss:
The Los Angeles Times will host another import party to push the "Great
L.A. County Import" forward. We've imported more than half a million
buildings with the great help of locals and the folks from Mapbox.

Did each participant use a separate account for this import?

Yes. We have some users who didn't have a separate account, but most
are here:https://github.com/osmlab/labuildings/issues/40
And inside the "stats" pages under each HOT task here:
http://labuildingsimport.com



My focus is to use this import strengthen the Southern California OSM
community. But, the project is open to all. If you're in the area,
please join us.

Do you really believe that this helps the local community? A healthy map
has a strong community and a strong community consists out of people who
look after their neighbourhood on the map (i.e. keep data up to date).

I do. I've hosted four import events and reached out to a ton of local
editors. Work still needs to be done. Let me know if you have
suggestions on how to strengthen the community further.



Meetup even page Import guidelines Tasking manager I've also been
working to improve our language on why we're doing this. Feedback and
more ideas would be greatly appreciated!

Why are we doing this?

• To improve our map! More data will allow more users to create projects
and do analysis on a variety of things. How many units are located
within 1,000 feet of a freeway? What's the average building age in a
neighborhood? What's the tallest building on Sunset Boulevard? The data
will tell you.

• To catch up with other cities! New York has buildings. Seattle has
buildings. San Francisco. Portland. Even Bakersfield has buildings. L.A.
County should too!

• Because a big earthquake is coming. Free and open data will assist
first responders. And later it will allow folks to update the buildings
with tags showing whether they have been destroyed, are dangerous or
have been red-tagged.

Why do buildings have to be at OSM? Is there any problem which prevents
you and others to use a free-licensed third party source for building
data if you have/want to create an emergency map?

No problems. The buildings will improve the map and will allow a
redudant and maybe better supply of data in the event of a major
disaster. For instance, if Los Angeles is hit with a large earthquake,
will the county's GIS servers be available? Will there be power. Many
unknowns here and crowd-sourcing the disaster's effects seems like a
good move. Then anyone can download and make their own custom map. For
instance, I could update my neighborhood with services and distribute
printed maps if power/internet is out. Buildings will improve a
block-by-block map.



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Re: [Talk-it] Nota interessante

2016-07-01 Per discussione Daniele Gitto 

Il 01/07/2016 12:41, Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami ha scritto:


Mi chiedo:
1. Se parlo con chiunque mi viene da dire "Troviamoci alla 'Chiesa di
Roncocesi'", ma (appurato che il suffisso non sia legato al santo o
riportato da altre parti) ha senso metterlo nei tag name? Secondo me
quella è una informazione geografica, del tipo building=church in
"Roncocesi" più che name~"in Roncocesi".
2. Esplicitare "Chiesa" o "Parrocchia" nei tag name ha un senso? A volte
ho incontrato anche solo "San Silvestro".


Nel dire la mia (sul punto 2), approfitto per chiedere di espandere la 
questione nomi, anche se magari dovrei aprire un thread a parte:
Io finora ho scritto sempre "Chiesa di San Silvestro", perché "San 
Silvestro" mi pare più un signore morto, non un edificio.


Poi tutte le stazioni dei carabinieri della mia provincia "Stazione 
Carabinieri di Milazzo", poi tutti i municipi "Municipio di Milazzo",
Poi tutti gli uffici postali ... "Milazzo"!! (come da lista poste 
italiane). E giustamente invece potrebbe essere "Ufficio postale di 
Milazzo", come un amico mapper mi fece notare.
E quindi mi piacerebbe una specie di votazione per stabilire tutte 
queste cose.

Spero se ne parli.
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Re: [Talk-it] Mappe per OsmAnd su Gfoss Geodata non aggiornate

2016-07-01 Per discussione Simone Cortesi 
ok
grazie.

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Luca Delucchi  wrote:
> 2016-07-01 14:22 GMT+02:00 Simone Cortesi :
>
>>
>> dove trovo le istruzioni di installazione?
>>
>
> non va installato nulla è solo un file java da scaricare
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OsmAndMapCreator
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site

2016-07-01 Per discussione Christian Ledermann 
I'd also like to see an aggregator like http://planetpython.org/ or
http://planet.plone.org/
to have a central place where all UK OSM related blogs are consolidated
which could be integrated in the main website (see http://iwlearn.net/news)

As an aside I've been developing websites (most of them with a strong community
background) for a living for over 10 years.


On 1 July 2016 at 13:12, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> It very much depends what the focus of the website is and how it is
> going to be used.
> From a sysadmins point of view i am weary about wordpress (or joomla,
> drupal) because
> it requires constant vigilance to install the latest version and
> patches, which are quite frequent
> so the initial setup time becomes a moot point over the lifetime of a website.
>
>
> Before I jump to conclusions which technology to suggest it would be
> nice to gather requirements
> so an informed decision can be made.
>
>
> On 1 July 2016 at 11:43, Harry Wood  wrote:
>> I'm interested in helping out with an OSM UK website. I have a few ideas.
>>
>> Actually the thing I'm most interested in is what you're touching on here. 
>> I'm keen to avoid a situation where we have a website festering 
>> unmaintained, or even just having niggling things wrong with it, and no way 
>> for me to pro-actively fix them.
>>
>> Being easy to use, as an admin, is good...  however that doesn't help 
>> somebody who's not an admin. Given our large group of (quite a lot of tech 
>> savvy) UK OSmers, the contribution model of wordpress might feel a bit 
>> restrictive. In fact I've felt this frustration with some of the past SOTM 
>> websites. It's not so good for allowing the wider community to pro-actively 
>> fix a niggle.
>>
>> I guess what I'm saying is... I'm happy with wordpress as long as I am one 
>> of the admins :-)
>>
>> A git repo approach is quite a neat contribution model for this kind of 
>> thing. But yeah it's not as easy as editing wordpress. If Rob is going to be 
>> the most pro-active maintainer, and he's not comfortable with github, then 
>> that's certainly a problem with that idea.
>>
>> I'm imagining an OSM UK website could be quite heavy on syndicated content. 
>> It could copy in and present these mailing list posts, the forum, and even 
>> have a chatroom (web->IRC). That would help keep it fresh, and relevant to 
>> our community with less onus on a restricted set of admin users (I think 
>> this idea is a thing we should do regardless of what the rest of the site is 
>> built with)
>>
>> The key messages of the website will of course depend on the other 
>> discussion we're having here: What are the main goals and key messages of 
>> the OSM UK organisation/community?
>>
>> Harry
>> 
>> From: Rob Nickerson 
>> To: dbaus...@gmail.com; Talk-GB 
>> Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016, 18:50
>> Subject: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Dennis,
>>
>> Don't worry about hosting issues when comparing the options. The group 
>> should probably get its own hosting anyway. The Mappa Mercia one is super 
>> easy to use and that's coming from somebody who is not techy at all.
>>
>> To set up the wordpress account all that was needed was to sign in to 
>> Webfaction dashboard, select "add new application" and then click wordpress. 
>> Ta-da a fully functional wordpress installation! Since then we added an 
>> application for simple (static) pages. This is how we drive the maps on 
>> mappa-mercia.org.
>>
>>
>> Key things is that whatever we do it is easy to use. The old mappa-mercia 
>> site wasn't and we were dependent on one person. When he left the site died. 
>> Similarly the current state of the map website is github pages system and is 
>> too techie for me. This is frustrating as I now rely on one or two people to 
>> do the updates. You need the barrier to be low so that as many people as 
>> possible can be involved with keeping it maintained.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
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> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>
> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>
> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>
> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
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Re: [Talk-it] Mappe per OsmAnd su Gfoss Geodata non aggiornate

2016-07-01 Per discussione Luca Delucchi 
2016-07-01 14:22 GMT+02:00 Simone Cortesi :

>
> dove trovo le istruzioni di installazione?
>

non va installato nulla è solo un file java da scaricare

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OsmAndMapCreator

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[Talk-GB] User defamation

2016-07-01 Per discussione Brian Prangle 
Hi everyone

Use pmailkeey has taken to provocatively commenting on all his changesets
throughout the UK, regardless of whether I've edited or not:
Improving map or correcting deliberate damage by brianboru

I have a low opinion of this mapper, and have had several conversations
with him all of which have been fruitless and thoroughly antisocial on his
part - to the extent I have concuded it's not worth having conversations
with him - he's intent on doing his own thing regardless -  I just waste
hours correcting his work.

Can whoever has the authority to do something about this  sort him out

He edits randomly all over the UK - you might want to check his edits -
some are OK but many are not.


Regards


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Re: [Talk-it] Mappe per OsmAnd su Gfoss Geodata non aggiornate

2016-07-01 Per discussione Simone Cortesi 
2016-07-01 13:47 GMT+02:00 Luca Delucchi :
> 2016-07-01 13:43 GMT+02:00 Simone Cortesi :
>> Ricordo a tutti che,
>> se avete necessità di risorse hardware legati a progetti OSM,
>> abbiamo macchine a disposizione finalizzate proprio a questo e rese
>> disponibili da wikimedia foundation.
>>
>
> allora basta che fate girare lo script voi e mettete l'output su estratti.
> Io appena avrò un po' di tempo (probabilmente questo inverno) vorrei
> far conferire in estratti anche la creazione dei file img

dove trovo le istruzioni di installazione?


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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site

2016-07-01 Per discussione Christian Ledermann 
It very much depends what the focus of the website is and how it is
going to be used.
From a sysadmins point of view i am weary about wordpress (or joomla,
drupal) because
it requires constant vigilance to install the latest version and
patches, which are quite frequent
so the initial setup time becomes a moot point over the lifetime of a website.


Before I jump to conclusions which technology to suggest it would be
nice to gather requirements
so an informed decision can be made.


On 1 July 2016 at 11:43, Harry Wood  wrote:
> I'm interested in helping out with an OSM UK website. I have a few ideas.
>
> Actually the thing I'm most interested in is what you're touching on here. 
> I'm keen to avoid a situation where we have a website festering unmaintained, 
> or even just having niggling things wrong with it, and no way for me to 
> pro-actively fix them.
>
> Being easy to use, as an admin, is good...  however that doesn't help 
> somebody who's not an admin. Given our large group of (quite a lot of tech 
> savvy) UK OSmers, the contribution model of wordpress might feel a bit 
> restrictive. In fact I've felt this frustration with some of the past SOTM 
> websites. It's not so good for allowing the wider community to pro-actively 
> fix a niggle.
>
> I guess what I'm saying is... I'm happy with wordpress as long as I am one of 
> the admins :-)
>
> A git repo approach is quite a neat contribution model for this kind of 
> thing. But yeah it's not as easy as editing wordpress. If Rob is going to be 
> the most pro-active maintainer, and he's not comfortable with github, then 
> that's certainly a problem with that idea.
>
> I'm imagining an OSM UK website could be quite heavy on syndicated content. 
> It could copy in and present these mailing list posts, the forum, and even 
> have a chatroom (web->IRC). That would help keep it fresh, and relevant to 
> our community with less onus on a restricted set of admin users (I think this 
> idea is a thing we should do regardless of what the rest of the site is built 
> with)
>
> The key messages of the website will of course depend on the other discussion 
> we're having here: What are the main goals and key messages of the OSM UK 
> organisation/community?
>
> Harry
> 
> From: Rob Nickerson 
> To: dbaus...@gmail.com; Talk-GB 
> Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016, 18:50
> Subject: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site
>
>
>
> Hi Dennis,
>
> Don't worry about hosting issues when comparing the options. The group should 
> probably get its own hosting anyway. The Mappa Mercia one is super easy to 
> use and that's coming from somebody who is not techy at all.
>
> To set up the wordpress account all that was needed was to sign in to 
> Webfaction dashboard, select "add new application" and then click wordpress. 
> Ta-da a fully functional wordpress installation! Since then we added an 
> application for simple (static) pages. This is how we drive the maps on 
> mappa-mercia.org.
>
>
> Key things is that whatever we do it is easy to use. The old mappa-mercia 
> site wasn't and we were dependent on one person. When he left the site died. 
> Similarly the current state of the map website is github pages system and is 
> too techie for me. This is frustrating as I now rely on one or two people to 
> do the updates. You need the barrier to be low so that as many people as 
> possible can be involved with keeping it maintained.
>
>
>
> Rob
>
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If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.

1) Don’t drive species to extinction

2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.

3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Next Quarterly Project

2016-07-01 Per discussione Jez Nicholson 
I spent a couple of hours on data.gov.uk  this morning. I was optimistic,
having been to the #openDEFRA launch event in London this week where they
announced 11000 open datasets. I had trouble finding anything of use :(
although, user error is always  possible

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 10:43 Christian Ledermann, 
wrote:

> the best data I found is at http://cap-payments.defra.gov.uk/download.aspx
> but it only contains the postcode prefix :-(
>
> On 30 June 2016 at 19:45, Brian Prangle  wrote:
> >
> > This resource from DEFRA shows 102,836 "holdings" in 2013. The Excel
> > spreadsheet lists them by local authority. I haven't checked to see if
> it's
> > OGL. If it is, is anybody up for modifying Robert Whittaker's postcode
> > progress tool  to show progress by LA (obviously it will just be a colour
> > code of % progress as we don't have addresses with postcodes)
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > On 30 June 2016 at 19:34, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 30/06/2016 18:13, Brian Prangle wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ... some farms seem to be little more than caravan storage, some have
> >>> transformed into equestrian centres, small industrial parks or become
> just
> >>> residential ...
> >>
> >>
> >> Indeed, farms sounds like a good idea to me.  Quite a few to the east of
> >> me seem to have been added as nodes with "place=farm; name=whatever's
> on the
> >> OS OpenData" (and sometimes name is just obviously desciptive, like
> "Poultry
> >> Farm").  It'd be great to have landuse mapped instead of just a single
> node,
> >> even if it does take a note and a subsequent survey visit to resolve
> what's
> >> become just residential and what hasn't.
> >>
> >> Is any of the farm subsidy data open (in order to figure out which are
> >> genuinely still farms)?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
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> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>
> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>
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Re: [Talk-it] Mappe per OsmAnd su Gfoss Geodata non aggiornate

2016-07-01 Per discussione Luca Delucchi 
2016-07-01 13:43 GMT+02:00 Simone Cortesi :
> Ricordo a tutti che,
> se avete necessità di risorse hardware legati a progetti OSM,
> abbiamo macchine a disposizione finalizzate proprio a questo e rese
> disponibili da wikimedia foundation.
>

allora basta che fate girare lo script voi e mettete l'output su estratti.
Io appena avrò un po' di tempo (probabilmente questo inverno) vorrei
far conferire in estratti anche la creazione dei file img

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Re: [Talk-it] Mappe per OsmAnd su Gfoss Geodata non aggiornate

2016-07-01 Per discussione Simone Cortesi 
Ricordo a tutti che,
se avete necessità di risorse hardware legati a progetti OSM,
abbiamo macchine a disposizione finalizzate proprio a questo e rese
disponibili da wikimedia foundation.

2016-07-01 13:39 GMT+02:00 Luca Delucchi :
> 2016-07-01 12:36 GMT+02:00 Stefano Droghetti :
>> Mi sono accorto che su Gfoss Geodata [1] le mappe per OsmAnd (le .obf,
>> disponibili solo per l'intera Italia e non regione per regione) benché
>> apparentemente aggiornate (le date effettivamente si aggiornano ogni due o
>> tre giorni) in realtà rimangono ferme a una versione di un paio di mesi fa.
>> Probabilmente lo script crea ogni giorno la nuova mappa, ma per qualche
>> motivo usa sempre gli stessi dati, non aggiornati da mesi.
>>
>
> scusa non ho capito se ti riferisci al file obf o agli altri?
>
> per il file obf ho un problema e non riesco ad aggiornarla perciò è
> vecchia anche se segna che è stata aggiornata. sto facendo dei test ma
> non so dove sbattere la testa, magari è un baco introdotto nel
> software per la creazione del file obf
>
> Ottengo un errore sembra di memoria, ma gli ho assegnato 12GB :-o
>
> Jun 27, 2016 12:52:02 PM net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator
> extractOsmToNodesDB
> INFO: File indexed : 3338135
> Jun 27, 2016 12:52:02 PM net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator generateIndex
> SEVERE: OutOfMemory
> java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space
> at org.sqlite.core.DB.executeBatch(DB.java:743)
> at 
> org.sqlite.core.CorePreparedStatement.executeBatch(CorePreparedStatement.java:77)
> at 
> net.osmand.data.preparation.OsmDbCreator.acceptEntityToLoad(OsmDbCreator.java:393)
> at 
> net.osmand.osm.io.OsmBaseStorage.acceptEntityToLoad(OsmBaseStorage.java:294)
> at 
> net.osmand.osm.io.OsmBaseStoragePbf$1.registerEntity(OsmBaseStoragePbf.java:43)
> at 
> net.osmand.osm.io.OsmBaseStoragePbf$1.parseDense(OsmBaseStoragePbf.java:100)
> at crosby.binary.BinaryParser.parse(BinaryParser.java:107)
> at crosby.binary.BinaryParser.handleBlock(BinaryParser.java:51)
> at crosby.binary.file.FileBlock.process(FileBlock.java:120)
> at 
> crosby.binary.file.BlockInputStream.process(BlockInputStream.java:15)
> at 
> net.osmand.osm.io.OsmBaseStoragePbf.parseOSMPbf(OsmBaseStoragePbf.java:214)
> at 
> net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator.extractOsmToNodesDB(IndexCreator.java:345)
> at 
> net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator.initDbAccessor(IndexCreator.java:432)
> at 
> net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator.generateIndexes(IndexCreator.java:650)
> at 
> net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator.generateIndexes(IndexCreator.java:578)
> at 
> net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator.generateIndex(IndexBatchCreator.java:552)
> at 
> net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator.generatedIndexes(IndexBatchCreator.java:464)
> at 
> net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator.runBatch(IndexBatchCreator.java:307)
> at 
> net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator.main(IndexBatchCreator.java:165)
>
> e lancio osmandcrator così
>
> java -Djava.util.logging.config.file=logging.properties -Xms128M
> -Xmx12000M -cp "./OsmAndMapCreator.jar:lib/OsmAnd-core.jar:./lib/*.jar"
> net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator batch_geodati.xml
>
>> Ho scritto a Luca Delucchi, ma se c'è qualcun altro in ascolto che può fare
>> qualcosa, ben venga.
>>
>
> eh direi che solo io posso fare qualcosa.
>
>>
>> Stefano
>>
>
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Re: [Talk-it] Mappe per OsmAnd su Gfoss Geodata non aggiornate

2016-07-01 Per discussione Luca Delucchi 
2016-07-01 12:36 GMT+02:00 Stefano Droghetti :
> Mi sono accorto che su Gfoss Geodata [1] le mappe per OsmAnd (le .obf,
> disponibili solo per l'intera Italia e non regione per regione) benché
> apparentemente aggiornate (le date effettivamente si aggiornano ogni due o
> tre giorni) in realtà rimangono ferme a una versione di un paio di mesi fa.
> Probabilmente lo script crea ogni giorno la nuova mappa, ma per qualche
> motivo usa sempre gli stessi dati, non aggiornati da mesi.
>

scusa non ho capito se ti riferisci al file obf o agli altri?

per il file obf ho un problema e non riesco ad aggiornarla perciò è
vecchia anche se segna che è stata aggiornata. sto facendo dei test ma
non so dove sbattere la testa, magari è un baco introdotto nel
software per la creazione del file obf

Ottengo un errore sembra di memoria, ma gli ho assegnato 12GB :-o

Jun 27, 2016 12:52:02 PM net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator
extractOsmToNodesDB
INFO: File indexed : 3338135
Jun 27, 2016 12:52:02 PM net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator generateIndex
SEVERE: OutOfMemory
java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space
at org.sqlite.core.DB.executeBatch(DB.java:743)
at 
org.sqlite.core.CorePreparedStatement.executeBatch(CorePreparedStatement.java:77)
at 
net.osmand.data.preparation.OsmDbCreator.acceptEntityToLoad(OsmDbCreator.java:393)
at 
net.osmand.osm.io.OsmBaseStorage.acceptEntityToLoad(OsmBaseStorage.java:294)
at 
net.osmand.osm.io.OsmBaseStoragePbf$1.registerEntity(OsmBaseStoragePbf.java:43)
at 
net.osmand.osm.io.OsmBaseStoragePbf$1.parseDense(OsmBaseStoragePbf.java:100)
at crosby.binary.BinaryParser.parse(BinaryParser.java:107)
at crosby.binary.BinaryParser.handleBlock(BinaryParser.java:51)
at crosby.binary.file.FileBlock.process(FileBlock.java:120)
at crosby.binary.file.BlockInputStream.process(BlockInputStream.java:15)
at 
net.osmand.osm.io.OsmBaseStoragePbf.parseOSMPbf(OsmBaseStoragePbf.java:214)
at 
net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator.extractOsmToNodesDB(IndexCreator.java:345)
at 
net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator.initDbAccessor(IndexCreator.java:432)
at 
net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator.generateIndexes(IndexCreator.java:650)
at 
net.osmand.data.preparation.IndexCreator.generateIndexes(IndexCreator.java:578)
at 
net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator.generateIndex(IndexBatchCreator.java:552)
at 
net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator.generatedIndexes(IndexBatchCreator.java:464)
at 
net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator.runBatch(IndexBatchCreator.java:307)
at 
net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator.main(IndexBatchCreator.java:165)

e lancio osmandcrator così

java -Djava.util.logging.config.file=logging.properties -Xms128M
-Xmx12000M -cp "./OsmAndMapCreator.jar:lib/OsmAnd-core.jar:./lib/*.jar"
net.osmand.data.index.IndexBatchCreator batch_geodati.xml

> Ho scritto a Luca Delucchi, ma se c'è qualcun altro in ascolto che può fare
> qualcosa, ben venga.
>

eh direi che solo io posso fare qualcosa.

>
> Stefano
>

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Re: [Talk-se] Starta röstning för feature som annan användare föreslagit

2016-07-01 Per discussione Andreas Vilén 
Kolla vad som är vanligast på taginfo och kör på det. Man kan använda vilken 
tagg som helst. En tagg behöver inte vara "godkänd" och detta har heller ingen 
bäring på huruvida den renderas eller ej.

Vill ni få den renderad bör ni ta upp det i osm-cartos github: 
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues

/Andreas

Skickat från min iPhone

> 30 juni 2016 kl. 22:18 skrev Mikael Nordfeldth :
> 
>> On 2016-06-30 20:25, Jimmy Utterström wrote:
>> Jag saknar att det fortfarande inte finns någon godkänd tagg för Discgolf, 
>> särskilt då det i Sverige trots allt finns en hel del banor. Det finns dock 
>> en föreslagen "leisure" feature här: 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Disc_golf_course
> 
> Det tycker jag låter som en bra idé! Jag har kartlagt lite på måfå i
> Umeå utifrån den dokumentation jag hittat bl.a. på den där
> proposed-sidan. Nästan alla discgolfbanor i staden är någorlunda väl
> kartlagda (I20, Bräntbergets, Bäcksjön) :)
> 
>> Wikisidans författare Johan Jönsson angav i mars 2012 att han tänkte lägga 
>> ut den för röstning, sedan dess har det dock tyvärr inte hänt något. Tänkte 
>> att någon annan (jag till exempel) skulle kunna starta röstningen för 
>> förslaget istället men vill först höra med er om ni anser att det är ett 
>> okej förförandesätt? Eller om jag har riktigt tur kanske denne "Johan 
>> Jönsson" prenumererar på maillistan så att han kan svara angående ärendet 
>> själv.
> 
> Jag har själv aldrig lagt upp något för att gå till omröstning men jag
> tycker det låter helt okej, om vi inte kommer på några ändringar vi vill
> lägga till först. Huvudsakligen är det ju samma taggar som gäller för
> disc_golf_course som för golf_course med tee, hole, out_of_bounds (och
> basket istället för pin då), så det är nog inte så mycket att mixtra med.
> 
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Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: HELP per rollback gruppo di modifiche

2016-07-01 Per discussione Simone Cortesi 
Grazie a tutti!

2016-07-01 13:00 GMT+02:00 S. Berga :
> Grazie tante a tutti e scusate per l'errore!
>
> Vi segnalo che l'utente sorcrosc mi ha scritto in privato ed ha individuato
> gli errori che avevo fatto e li ha corretti. Mi ha inoltre fornito vari
> suggerimenti che cercherò di mettere in atto.
>
> Grazie ancora,
> Stefano
>
>
> 
> Da: Simone Cortesi 
> A: openstreetmap list - italiano ; Lorenzo
> Mastrogiacomi 
> Cc: S. Berga 
> Inviato: Giovedì 30 Giugno 2016 19:28
> Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: HELP per rollback gruppo di modifiche
>
> Grazie!
>
> 2016-06-30 19:02 GMT+02:00 Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi :
>> Ci penserò io
>>
>>
>>
>> Il giorno gio, 30/06/2016 alle 18.20 +0200, Simone Cortesi ha scritto:
>>
>> Ciao,
>> mi chiedono aiuto per questo revert.
>>
>> C'e' qualcuno che può dare una mano?
>>
>> Grazie,
>> S.
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: S. Berga 
>> Date: 2016-06-30 17:41 GMT+02:00
>> Subject: HELP per rollback gruppo di modifiche
>> To: "sim...@osmfoundation.org" 
>>
>>
>> Ciao Simone,
>>
>> mi chiamo Stefano e sono un utente di OSM, ho trovato il tuo indirizzo
>> nelle pagine di wiki...
>>
>> Ti scrivo per chiederti un supporto e/o nel caso sapere a chi mi
>> potrei rivolgere.
>>
>> Ho effettuato alcune modifiche per mappare sentieri, strade, case ma
>> soprattuto estendere l'utilizzo del terreno cercando di copiare quanto
>> più realistico possibile tra foreste, terreni agricoli, pietraie,
>> etc...
>>
>> Ho paura di aver cancellato/modificato qualcosa (e non riesco a capire
>> cosa) per la quale tutta la zona boschiva che con fatica via-via ho
>> mappato è sparita.
>> Penso di aver individuato il "gruppo di modifiche" che ha portato a
>> questo "disastro" e dovrebero essere il 40394917 e/o il 40394421 (o
>> forse anche il 40385388).
>> Ho cercato ma non ho trovato il modo di fare il roolback di questi
>> gruppi di modifiche. C'è un modo?
>> Gli aggiornamenti li ho fatti con l'editor web iD
>>
>> Grazie tante,
>> Stefano
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site

2016-07-01 Per discussione Harry Wood 
I'm interested in helping out with an OSM UK website. I have a few ideas. 

Actually the thing I'm most interested in is what you're touching on here. I'm 
keen to avoid a situation where we have a website festering unmaintained, or 
even just having niggling things wrong with it, and no way for me to 
pro-actively fix them.

Being easy to use, as an admin, is good...  however that doesn't help somebody 
who's not an admin. Given our large group of (quite a lot of tech savvy) UK 
OSmers, the contribution model of wordpress might feel a bit restrictive. In 
fact I've felt this frustration with some of the past SOTM websites. It's not 
so good for allowing the wider community to pro-actively fix a niggle.

I guess what I'm saying is... I'm happy with wordpress as long as I am one of 
the admins :-)

A git repo approach is quite a neat contribution model for this kind of thing. 
But yeah it's not as easy as editing wordpress. If Rob is going to be the most 
pro-active maintainer, and he's not comfortable with github, then that's 
certainly a problem with that idea.

I'm imagining an OSM UK website could be quite heavy on syndicated content. It 
could copy in and present these mailing list posts, the forum, and even have a 
chatroom (web->IRC). That would help keep it fresh, and relevant to our 
community with less onus on a restricted set of admin users (I think this idea 
is a thing we should do regardless of what the rest of the site is built with)

The key messages of the website will of course depend on the other discussion 
we're having here: What are the main goals and key messages of the OSM UK 
organisation/community?

Harry

From: Rob Nickerson 
To: dbaus...@gmail.com; Talk-GB  
Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016, 18:50
Subject: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site



Hi Dennis,

Don't worry about hosting issues when comparing the options. The group should 
probably get its own hosting anyway. The Mappa Mercia one is super easy to use 
and that's coming from somebody who is not techy at all. 

To set up the wordpress account all that was needed was to sign in to 
Webfaction dashboard, select "add new application" and then click wordpress. 
Ta-da a fully functional wordpress installation! Since then we added an 
application for simple (static) pages. This is how we drive the maps on 
mappa-mercia.org.


Key things is that whatever we do it is easy to use. The old mappa-mercia site 
wasn't and we were dependent on one person. When he left the site died. 
Similarly the current state of the map website is github pages system and is 
too techie for me. This is frustrating as I now rely on one or two people to do 
the updates. You need the barrier to be low so that as many people as possible 
can be involved with keeping it maintained.



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Re: [Talk-GB] RFC: Semi Automatic Import of schools

2016-07-01 Per discussione Christian Ledermann 
A new version is available for review at http://schools.mapthe.uk/

As I have heard no major objections from the community
I will go ahead and move this to the imports mailing list.

On 9 June 2016 at 20:50, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> OK I rolled out the new version, can you take another look?
>
> Thanks again for your detailed and helpful comments.
>
> On 9 June 2016 at 15:40, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
>  wrote:
>> On 9 June 2016 at 10:50, Christian Ledermann
>>  wrote:
>>> I'd like to propose to use http://schools.mapthe.uk for a semi automatic 
>>> import
>>> of Ordonance Survey Open School grounds data combined with
>>> edubase and seed data into OpenStreetMap.
>>>
>>> The Tool is available at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
>>> The sourcecode and documentation is available at
>>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase
>>>
>>> My tests with this tool are very encouraging, I'd like to go forward
>>> to the imports mailing list with this proposal.
>>
>> I have a quick look at your tool, but I'm afraid the instances I was
>> presented with initially left me rather confused about exactly what it
>> is doing and where the data is coming from. (I didn't read the github
>> readme to start with, as that looked from the start to be instructions
>> for installing the app yourself, rather than how to use it.) I think
>> that basic info should be provided on the page itself so users don't
>> have to go elsewhere to find  out what is what. It would also be good
>> to have a better description of how things are selected / matched up
>> between the datasets. In particular, is the tool trying to go through
>> all school polygons in OS Open Map, or just those matched to an
>> Edubase entry that doesn't have an existing ref:edubase match in OSM?
>> Are you just matching / showing things based on proximity to the
>> current OS Open Map polygon?
>>
>> The first few things I was shown were as follows:
>>
>> * http://schools.mapthe.uk/assign/22701/ -- The blue polygon seems to
>> be for a churchyard, not a school. Why/how was is chosen / matched? Is
>> it an error in OS Open Map perhaps?
>>
>> * http://schools.mapthe.uk/assign/22591/ -- There's a school name but
>> no other data shown. Is this because there are no nearby edubase
>> entries? (It would be helpful if the page says so.) This might not
>> mean the site is not/no longer a school though, as it could be a
>> satellite site for a school with a main address elsewhere.
>>
>> * http://schools.mapthe.uk/assign/5733/ -- The red area is an existing
>> OSM polygon, but this isn't made clear on the page. Also could the
>> full set of tags be shown in the section at the bottom, ideally as a
>> table?
>>
>> A few other comments / suggestions:
>>
>> * It would also be helpful if you could explicitly list the source
>> data items their key data explicitly on your page view (as you already
>> partially do with the OSM data) and also provide clickable links to
>> the OSM object (e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148997325) and
>> full Edubase entry (e.g.
>> http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/establishment/summary.xhtml?urn=111777)
>> to allow people to inspect them.
>>
>> * In the case where you think an OSM object already exists, could
>> there be a button to add/replace the existing tags with the data you
>> think is appropriate (ideally with an option to overwrite or preserve
>> each existing tag that clashes)? Any maybe an option to completely
>> replace/update the geometry too -- though this is a bit dangerous, as
>> you'd have to be careful with what to do with the original nodes in
>> case they were also being used for other things.
>>
>> * I don't think "os-open" is a suitable source tag if it's supposed to
>> be referring to OS Open Map Local. Using something approximating the
>> full name would be better as it is less ambiguous. "os-open" could be
>> mistaken for a general tag referring to any of the OS OpenData
>> products.
>>
>> * The tags to be added would be easier to read if they were presented
>> as separate rows in a table.
>>
>> * Could the map layer switcher be shown open all the time? Before
>> adding a polygon, one should really check the Satellite view, so this
>> would save a click each time.
>>
>> * The height of the map view is annoying small on my large monitor.
>>
>> * Are you looking for OSM nodes and relations as well as ways? (e.g.
>> at http://schools.mapthe.uk/assign/26893/ there's an existing node
>> that doesn't seem to be detected.)
>>
>> * When there's no OSM data, the forwards and backwards links look like
>> they're in a box with a title "Openstreetmap Data", when they're
>> actually nothing to do with any OSM data. If there's no OSM data to
>> display, then you should either have some placeholder text to say so,
>> or omit the heading.
>>
>> * The telephone numbers (phone=*) aren't in the international format
>> specified at

Re: [Talk-it] Nota interessante

2016-07-01 Per discussione Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami 
Siccome siamo in argomento chiese, mi sono recentemente imbattuto in un
utente della mia zona che dà nomi "colloquiali" a tutto quanto ("Pista
polivalente", "Campetto da calcio", ecc.) tra cui le varie chiese elencate
col nome del paese o del quartiere in cui stanno ("Chiesa di Bagnolo",
"Parrocchia di San Biagio in Roncocesi").
Mi chiedo:
1. Se parlo con chiunque mi viene da dire "Troviamoci alla 'Chiesa di
Roncocesi'", ma (appurato che il suffisso non sia legato al santo o
riportato da altre parti) ha senso metterlo nei tag name? Secondo me quella
è una informazione geografica, del tipo building=church in "Roncocesi" più
che name~"in Roncocesi".
2. Esplicitare "Chiesa" o "Parrocchia" nei tag name ha un senso? A volte ho
incontrato anche solo "San Silvestro".

Concordo che la catalogazione dei name non è per nulla semplice e men che
meno immediata...

Ciao!
Lorenzo

Il giorno 1 luglio 2016 11:55, Andrea Lattmann 
ha scritto:

> >Per fare un esempio sciocco, ma molto >reale, nel paesino in cui abito io
> la >chiesa viene comunemente chiamata "Il >vaticano" da ben più della metà
> della >popolazione. Cominciarono a chiamarla >così per scherno a inizio
> secolo, poi >però, per stare al gioco, anche i >parrocchiani si sono messi
> a chiamarla >in quel modo ed è riconosciuta in quel >modo.
>
> In questo caso lo metterei nel loc_name, se è chiamata cosi solo nel tuo
> paese o paesi limitrofi. Non è facilissimo scegliere il tag giusto.
> Esempio: io abito lontano da Como ma ho sempre saputo che il nome "del
> Duomo" era Duomo di Como, quindi sapendo che in almeno 3 province è
> conosciuto come Duomo di Como, escludo a priori un loc_name , al di fuori
> della regione è conosciuto come Duomo di Como? Se si, lo escludo dal
> reg_name  e così fino a trovare il tag giusto. Concordo che scrivere nel
> name Duomo quando Duomo non è può essere fuorviante, quindi siamo punto a
> capo: cosa si mette nel name senza essere fuorvianti e ridondanti con, ad
> esempio, il loc_name?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Test accès BD Ortho depuis JOSM...

2016-07-01 Per discussione osm . sanspourriel 

1.

   En fait sur les pages ID on voit que les tuiles demandées telles que
   
https://ecn.t2.tiles.virtualearth.net/tiles/a031331031023230310.jpeg?g=587=en-gb=z
   ont bien un referer.


2.
   Referer:
   http://www.openstreetmap.org/id
3.


Le 01/07/2016 à 12:25, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :


Effectivement ce que bhousel propose c'est :

- soit de changer le token quand on détecte un abus

- soit d'utiliser un cookie qui sera créé après acceptation des 
conditions d'utilisation.


Il a clos le ticket.

Philippe, oui un referer se contourne mais il montre une volonté de 
violer la licence et demande un peu de travail pas à la portée de 99 % 
des utilisateurs. L'idée c'est d'éviter que n'importe qui réutilise 
les tuiles à n'importe quel dessein.


Jean-Yvon


Le 27/06/2016 à 18:42, Philippe Verdy - verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit :
Le "referer:" aussi est facile à reprendre, même pour une navigation 
sur un site tiers avec un navigateur normal, la requête peut être 
effectuée en Javascript avec les champs MIME qu'on veut (et faciles à 
obtenir juste avec la console réseau du navigateur). Cependant ça 
élimite les utilisations les plus simples avec un framework 
OpenLayers ou similaire non modifié.


Sans identification du client (inscription de compte, mot de passe, 
etc.), ou sans mise à jour régulière des clés sur le serveur web 
référent (qui doit avoir alors une connexion avec le fournisseur de 
carto tiers pour autoriser pendant un temps limité des sessions pour 
chaque client connnecté au serveur référent, le client devant 
redemander une clé au serveur référent qui la renouvellera avec le 
serveur tiers, ou bien le client devra ouvrir une session SSL 
résidente en utilisant des clés négociées par l'intermédiaire du 
serveur référent, sur laquelle transiteront ensuite les requêtes de 
tuiles en HTTPS), il n'est pas tellement possible de sécuriser cette 
restriction d'accès.






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[Talk-it] Mappe per OsmAnd su Gfoss Geodata non aggiornate

2016-07-01 Per discussione Stefano Droghetti 
Mi sono accorto che su Gfoss Geodata [1] le mappe per OsmAnd (le .obf, 
disponibili solo per l'intera Italia e non regione per regione) benché 
apparentemente aggiornate (le date effettivamente si aggiornano ogni due 
o tre giorni) in realtà rimangono ferme a una versione di un paio di 
mesi fa.
Probabilmente lo script crea ogni giorno la nuova mappa, ma per qualche 
motivo usa sempre gli stessi dati, non aggiornati da mesi.


Ho scritto a Luca Delucchi, ma se c'è qualcun altro in ascolto che può 
fare qualcosa, ben venga.


Nel frattempo avviso che le mappe scaricabili dall'applicazione OsmAnd, 
benché ancora ferme al primo di giugno, sono comunque più aggiornate di 
quella dell'Italia scaricabile da Gfoss Geodata, benché targata 30 giugno.


[1] http://geodati.fmach.it/gfoss_geodata/osm/italia_osm.html

Stefano

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Test accès BD Ortho depuis JOSM...

2016-07-01 Per discussione osm . sanspourriel 

Effectivement ce que bhousel propose c'est :

- soit de changer le token quand on détecte un abus

- soit d'utiliser un cookie qui sera créé après acceptation des 
conditions d'utilisation.


Il a clos le ticket.

Philippe, oui un referer se contourne mais il montre une volonté de 
violer la licence et demande un peu de travail pas à la portée de 99 % 
des utilisateurs. L'idée c'est d'éviter que n'importe qui réutilise les 
tuiles à n'importe quel dessein.


Jean-Yvon


Le 27/06/2016 à 18:42, Philippe Verdy - verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit :
Le "referer:" aussi est facile à reprendre, même pour une navigation 
sur un site tiers avec un navigateur normal, la requête peut être 
effectuée en Javascript avec les champs MIME qu'on veut (et faciles à 
obtenir juste avec la console réseau du navigateur). Cependant ça 
élimite les utilisations les plus simples avec un framework OpenLayers 
ou similaire non modifié.


Sans identification du client (inscription de compte, mot de passe, 
etc.), ou sans mise à jour régulière des clés sur le serveur web 
référent (qui doit avoir alors une connexion avec le fournisseur de 
carto tiers pour autoriser pendant un temps limité des sessions pour 
chaque client connnecté au serveur référent, le client devant 
redemander une clé au serveur référent qui la renouvellera avec le 
serveur tiers, ou bien le client devra ouvrir une session SSL 
résidente en utilisant des clés négociées par l'intermédiaire du 
serveur référent, sur laquelle transiteront ensuite les requêtes de 
tuiles en HTTPS), il n'est pas tellement possible de sécuriser cette 
restriction d'accès.




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[Talk-br] Mapeando os Bairros do Jordão, Jordão Baixo e Jardim Jordão.

2016-07-01 Per discussione raphaelmirc . 
Bom Dia,

Gostaria de informar que hoje estou mapeando os bairros do Jordão,
Jordão Baixo e Jardim Jordão, todos em Recife/PE.

Um ótimo final de semana a todos e bom Mapeamento...

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Att;
Um Forte Abraço,


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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK local chapter

2016-07-01 Per discussione Christian Ledermann 
also there is https://openslides.org/ although I think this is
probably overkill.

On 1 July 2016 at 11:02, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> Have you considered/evaluated https://www.discourse.org/ ?
> I have used it (plone community, OKFN) and am quite fond of it
> The email integration is very nice, you can get email push
> notifications and respond to discussions via email.
>
> I have not used loomio yet so I do not know how they compare
>
> On 30 June 2016 at 18:40, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
>> BTW here are my notes from when I researched collaboration tools (focused on
>> communication and decision making, rather than projects)
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Z9vCilV96Tah5ruGFTIaSGxojEC9pvHo48Sc4vw5_Y/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Feel free to add comments.
>>
>> Rob
>> p.s. I'm aware that OSMF use Wordpress, Loomio, Slack (at least the SotM WG
>> have started with this although my own research suggested Fleep may be
>> better). If you know more, please share.
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> <*)))>{
>
> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>
> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>
> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>
> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>
> }<(((*>



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<*)))>{

If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.

1) Don’t drive species to extinction

2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.

3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.

}<(((*>

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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK local chapter

2016-07-01 Per discussione Christian Ledermann 
Have you considered/evaluated https://www.discourse.org/ ?
I have used it (plone community, OKFN) and am quite fond of it
The email integration is very nice, you can get email push
notifications and respond to discussions via email.

I have not used loomio yet so I do not know how they compare

On 30 June 2016 at 18:40, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
> BTW here are my notes from when I researched collaboration tools (focused on
> communication and decision making, rather than projects)
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Z9vCilV96Tah5ruGFTIaSGxojEC9pvHo48Sc4vw5_Y/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Feel free to add comments.
>
> Rob
> p.s. I'm aware that OSMF use Wordpress, Loomio, Slack (at least the SotM WG
> have started with this although my own research suggested Fleep may be
> better). If you know more, please share.
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Re: [Talk-it] devo trasferire tag da perimetro a relazione

2016-07-01 Per discussione Aury88 
grazie a tutti ragazzi, anche per i consigli su altre funzioni di josm!
comincerò a fare il trasferimento del tag nei prox giorni ;-)
Ciao



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Re: [Talk-it] Nota interessante

2016-07-01 Per discussione Andrea Lattmann 
>Per fare un esempio sciocco, ma molto >reale, nel paesino in cui abito io la 
>>chiesa viene comunemente chiamata "Il >vaticano" da ben più della metà della 
>>popolazione. Cominciarono a chiamarla >così per scherno a inizio secolo, poi 
>>però, per stare al gioco, anche i >parrocchiani si sono messi a chiamarla >in 
>quel modo ed è riconosciuta in quel >modo.

In questo caso lo metterei nel loc_name, se è chiamata cosi solo nel tuo paese 
o paesi limitrofi. Non è facilissimo scegliere il tag giusto. Esempio: io abito 
lontano da Como ma ho sempre saputo che il nome "del Duomo" era Duomo di Como, 
quindi sapendo che in almeno 3 province è conosciuto come Duomo di Como, 
escludo a priori un loc_name , al di fuori della regione è conosciuto come 
Duomo di Como? Se si, lo escludo dal reg_name  e così fino a trovare il tag 
giusto. Concordo che scrivere nel name Duomo quando Duomo non è può essere 
fuorviante, quindi siamo punto a capo: cosa si mette nel name senza essere 
fuorvianti e ridondanti con, ad esempio, il loc_name?

Andrea Lattmann

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Re: [Talk-GB] Next Quarterly Project

2016-07-01 Per discussione Christian Ledermann 
the best data I found is at http://cap-payments.defra.gov.uk/download.aspx
but it only contains the postcode prefix :-(

On 30 June 2016 at 19:45, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>
> This resource from DEFRA shows 102,836 "holdings" in 2013. The Excel
> spreadsheet lists them by local authority. I haven't checked to see if it's
> OGL. If it is, is anybody up for modifying Robert Whittaker's postcode
> progress tool  to show progress by LA (obviously it will just be a colour
> code of % progress as we don't have addresses with postcodes)
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
> On 30 June 2016 at 19:34, Andy Townsend  wrote:
>>
>> On 30/06/2016 18:13, Brian Prangle wrote:
>>>
>>> ... some farms seem to be little more than caravan storage, some have
>>> transformed into equestrian centres, small industrial parks or become just
>>> residential ...
>>
>>
>> Indeed, farms sounds like a good idea to me.  Quite a few to the east of
>> me seem to have been added as nodes with "place=farm; name=whatever's on the
>> OS OpenData" (and sometimes name is just obviously desciptive, like "Poultry
>> Farm").  It'd be great to have landuse mapped instead of just a single node,
>> even if it does take a note and a subsequent survey visit to resolve what's
>> become just residential and what hasn't.
>>
>> Is any of the farm subsidy data open (in order to figure out which are
>> genuinely still farms)?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Andy
>>
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you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.

1) Don’t drive species to extinction

2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.

3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.

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Re: [OSRM-talk] Accuracy of distance matrix calculation

2016-07-01 Per discussione Florian Lohoff 
Hi Daniel,

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 07:10:35PM +0200, Daniel Hofmann wrote:
> There's also a debug endpoint showing the assigned speeds:
> http://map.project-osrm.org/debug/#12.21/52.5233/13.3987

thats i great Debug view i had look some days ago already.

Looking again - Is there a possibility to change the average
speed but not the maxspeed?

The Road in question here:

http://map.project-osrm.org/debug/#17/51.90112/8.36067

Is listed as 67km/h - The problem is that the maxspeed
on that road is indeed 70km/h but there is a traffic light
switching which only allows 60km/h. There is also signage
saying so:

Maxspeed:
http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/GhQe0Sz2_kFMdNBfNEurSg/photo

On the very right side "Grüne Welle bei 60Km/h":
http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/HEH51PLoU2n_gtcz0kN7pg/photo

That means the average travel speed would be much more like 55km/h or
something.

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Re: [Talk-it] Nota interessante

2016-07-01 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer 


sent from a phone

> Il giorno 01 lug 2016, alle ore 08:27, Lorenzo Beba Beltrami 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Occhio che però stiamo parlando di nomi. Conosco situazioni in cui (per 
> motivi storici, affettivi, ecc.) si chiama "Duomo" una chiesa che duomo non è.


se si chiama "Duomo" è duomo :)


> 
> Per fare un esempio sciocco, ma molto reale, nel paesino in cui abito io la 
> chiesa viene comunemente chiamata "Il vaticano" da ben più della metà della 
> popolazione. Cominciarono a chiamarla così per scherno a inizio secolo, poi 
> però, per stare al gioco, anche i parrocchiani si sono messi a chiamarla in 
> quel modo ed è riconosciuta in quel modo.


in quel caso potresti usare loc_name

ciao,
Martin 
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Re: [Talk-it] Nome in tag edificio e in nodo

2016-07-01 Per discussione Giulio Barba 
Perfetto, ho una curiosità: i vari software che prendono i PDI da
OpenStreetMaps individuano il punto di interesse sia che sia segnato come
edificio sia che sia segnato come nodo? Grazie

Il giorno gio 30 giu 2016 alle ore 20:24 Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > Il giorno 30 giu 2016, alle ore 14:23, Marco_T  ha
> scritto:
> >
> > Chiedo anche agli altri conferma di questa mia interpretazione.
>
>
> +1, meglio però un'area anche per il museo, perché consente di capire
> quanto è grande, dove sono gli ingressi ecc.
>
> ciao,
> Martin
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Re: [Talk-it] Nota interessante

2016-07-01 Per discussione Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami 
Il giorno 30 giugno 2016 12:29, Paolo Monegato 
ha scritto:

> Il 30/06/2016 12:21, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto:
>
>
> 2016-06-30 12:17 GMT+02:00 Paolo Monegato :
>
>> Duomo e cattedrale dovrebbero essere la stessa cosa (sede di un vescovo).
>>>
>>
>> No. Il Duomo se è sede vescovile allora è cattedrale, ma in ogni diocesi
>> c'è più di un duomo.
>
>
>
> hai ragione, WP it dice il duomo è la chiesa principale di un centro
> abitato, spesso è anche la cattedrale. Quindi non in ogni caso il duomo è
> sede vescovile. Non è detto però che ci siano più di un duomo in una
> diocesi.
>
>
> Vero, ma spesso è così.
>

Occhio che però stiamo parlando di nomi. Conosco situazioni in cui (per
motivi storici, affettivi, ecc.) si chiama "Duomo" una chiesa che duomo non
è.
Se, per assurdo, in un paese tutti quanti invece di "Duomo di Santa Maria
Assunta" dicono "Pomodoro di Santa Barbara" quello, seppur buffo, è a tutti
gli effetti un nome valido (name o loc_name?).

Per fare un esempio sciocco, ma molto reale, nel paesino in cui abito io la
chiesa viene comunemente chiamata "Il vaticano" da ben più della metà della
popolazione. Cominciarono a chiamarla così per scherno a inizio secolo, poi
però, per stare al gioco, anche i parrocchiani si sono messi a chiamarla in
quel modo ed è riconosciuta in quel modo.

Just my 2 cents
Lorenzo
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