Re: [Talk-us] USPS Post Boxes

[Marc Gemis]

Are you planning to run this on a regular schedule  (e.g. every month) ?

m.
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 6:18 AM Leif Rasmussen <354...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
> The opinions expressed on the USPS/United States Postal Service tagging have 
> been very mixed, with seemingly equivalent numbers of people supporting both 
> options.  Based on the following facts, I have decided to convert the tag 
> "operator"="USPS" on post boxes to "operator"="United States Postal Service".
> 1) We all agree that all USPS post boxes should have the same operator tag, 
> but disagree on the minor detail of which tag is better: "USPS" or "United 
> States Postal Service".
> 2) I saw, overall, a larger number of good arguments for expanding the 
> operator tag, including the fact that the words "United States Postal 
> Service" appear on the post boxes themselves.
> 3) Expanding USPS would be in line with the OSM "expand abbreviations" 
> guidelines.
>
> I will create the changeset Thursday evening if nobody replies with an 
> objection.  If you are strongly against this change, please stop me before 
> then!
> The changeset will do the following to post boxes tagged with 
> "operator"="USPS", "operator"="US Post Services", "operator"="US Post 
> Service", "operator"="US Postal Service", "operator"="US Postal Services", 
> "operator"="U.S. Post Services", "operator"=" U.S. Post Service", 
> "operator"="U.S. Postal Service", and "operator"="U.S. Postal Services":
> * Convert the value of "operator" to "United States Postal Service".
> * Add the tag "operator:wikidata"="Q668687".
> * Add the tag "operator:wikipedia"="en:United States Postal Service".
> * Fix any warnings or errors that come up in the JOSM validator window (such 
> as incorrect collection times format).
>
> Post offices will not be affected by this change.  If someone would like them 
> to also have uniform operator tags, they can propose that separately.
> Thank you to everyone who commented on this issue!  I highly appreciated the 
> views expressed, and believe that they greatly improved the end outcome of 
> this change.  Again, if you still strongly oppose this change or I am 
> forgetting something important, let me know before Thursday evening!
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Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import in Price George...)

[Marc Gemis]

The Belgian community lives now mostly on Riot, we do have an IRC
bridge and different channels to discuss dev or landuse related stuff.

The main drawback is the lack of threads (ever tried to follow 2
discussions taking place at the same time, let alone read was said
during the day ?). The not so great search  is another problem.

But for a quick question (with a photo) it's great.

just my .5 cent

m

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 3:13 PM, Mike Dupont
 wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have had good experience with riot.im matrix.org it is open source, mobile
> friendly and has an irc gateway.
>
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 3:27 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 10.06.2018 um 05:21 schrieb Bryan Housel:
>> >> I'm also interested in how others feel about Slack. Is it good for the
>> >> community or should we look elsewhere?
>> > Glad you asked!  I think Slack has changed the way I work for the
>> > better.
>> >
>> > Here are some advantages..
>> > * lower barrier to entry for less technical folks
>> > * great mobile experience
>> > * good for sharing files / screenshots
>> > * works well for both sync and async chat
>> > * emoji reactions, can be used to both cut down on noise comments but
>> > also mark things as read (like our welcome users feed)
>> > * integration with basically everything (GitHub, Stripe, RSS anything
>> > you want really)
>> > * easy to start focused public or private channels and pull a few people
>> > in to a discussion
>> > * ability to mute and set availability times
>> > * user profiles
>> > * decent search
>>
>> You can have all of that with a number of alternatives, matrix for
>> completely open and free, mattermost and so on for less ...
>> .. and these alternatives actually connect with other stuff (say irc).
>>
>> > * everyone is on it
>> That's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy after you've essentially
>> force migrated everybody there and then cut the ties with any other
>> competing media (in OSM) so that you can have your nice walled garden.
>>
>> SImon
>>
>> >
>> > I really can’t imagine going back to something else.  I’d happily pay
>> > for it if they asked me to.
>> >
>> > Anyway, I felt it important to speak up because I’ve noticed a very
>> > common situation when asking for people’s opinion about something, the
>> > people who are happy will stay silent, and the few who have a problem will
>> > be the ones who respond.
>> >
>> > There are currently over 800 people on the OSM-US Slack, and over 3000
>> > on the GIS Spatial Community Slack.  I have no idea how many people are
>> > subscribed to the talk-us mailing list.
>> >
>> > I don’t think we should get rid of mailing lists.  We should still copy
>> > things to the talk-us mailing that affect the entire US community.
>> >
>> > Just my thoughts
>> > Thanks, Bryan
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Talk-us] Old Bing/ESRI satellite imagery?

[Marc Gemis]

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 5:49 AM, Rihards  wrote:
> On 2018.01.31. 03:16, Albert Pundt wrote:
>> Yeah, that wasn't right of me... I've been using the other sources for a
>> bit now and it's really not as bad as I thought it was, plus there's
>> more of the old imagery still available than I thought through
>> Mapbox/Digitalglobe Standard all over Pennsylvania, just not where I'm
>> currently working on. I guess the relatively high quality (albeit very
>> outdated by the time it was updated) imagery for the whole country
>> spoiled me a little too much. :P
>>
>> Ignore my previous post, it was dumb.
>
> your original post did not seem dumb or impolite to me, but that must be
> the cultural differences all over again :)
>

I was about to write the same. I think you only mentioned some
problems with the current imagery, which are observable facts.

regards

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Re: [Talk-us] Coolidge Corner, Brookline, MA has wrong zip code

[Marc Gemis]

If you fill in "Coolidge Corner, Brookline, MA" on the nominatim
website, and run that query:
http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search.php?q=Coolidge+Corner%2C+Brookline%2C+MA_geojson=1=
Then click details, you end on the page
http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=498867

There you see how the address is computed. The postal code is computed
a bit different than the other data. From the table you see there is
no boundary or so defined in OSM with the postal code  (there is no
"details >").
This means the postal code comes from either an external source that
was imported by Nominatim or an as part of an address node. But when I
click on the address node details for "Coolidge Corner, Brookline, MA"
or Allston, I do not see a postal code at all.

So I think

1) whatever you changed is not reflected in the OSM database
2) the postal code is coming from an import (most likely Tiger data)
in the Nominatim database.

hope this make sense
m.

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 2:42 AM, Andre Robatino
 wrote:
> Nominatum's top result for "Coolidge Corner, Brookline, MA" still has 02446
> (as it did immediately after I read your reply), but the other results still
> have 02118. Shouldn't it have been copied to all the mirrors by now?
>
> BTW, I was wondering if it would make sense to use a list of specific
> addresses as a sanity check on edits. Someone could register address(es)
> they are familiar with, such as their own, and they would be notified
> automatically if any of the associated data (such as county or zip code)
> changed. If the change is wrong, they could log in and flag the error, and
> the mistake could be traced back to the offending edit. If this existed, I
> could have used it both for the zip code error, and for the wrong county
> error that I reported in July, in
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2017-July/017529.html .
>
> On 11/19/2017 02:57 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
> Nominatim should return the correct results now.
>
> Problem that Max Erickson discovered was an incomplete edit in Boston that
> caused the problem. By adding a tag to the Boston node to describe the
> feature, resulted in Nominatim returning the correct results.
>
> Clifford
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Clifford Snow 
> wrote:
>>
>> I just asked about nominatim on the IRC
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Max Erickson 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Nominatim calculates 02118:
>>>
>>> http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=498867
>>>
>>> Most of the data seems to have the correct addr:postcode:
>>>
>>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/t5e
>>>
>>> (The query includes postal_code but there aren't any in the data)
>>>
>>> So what is Nominatim looking at to come up with the calculated value?
>>> I think the next thing to check would be boundaries enclosing
>>> Brookline, not sure if that is how nominatim works though.
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Re: [Talk-us] Bicycle infrastructure

[Marc Gemis]

Do you know this
http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~ligfietser/fiets/index.html?map=cycleways
map ? It shows a lot of cycleway tags, including surfaces, cycleway
routes and common mapping mistakes. There is nothing about shoulders,
but I'm pretty sure that you ask to include them (on the Dutch forum),
they will get added.

The website is OverPass driven

regards

m.

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 8:26 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am holding a bike mapping party for our local OSM group this Thursday. We
> want to complete the bicycle infrastructure of Utah. I designed this
> Overpass query: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/s99 to extract most of the
> bicycle data. Now I have two questions:
>
> 1) Do you see any improvements I should make to this query / am I missing
> important features?
> 2) How can I best use this result for my bike mapping party?
>
> Any help appreciated! If you're in the area, please stop by:
> https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Utah/events/243371717/
>
> If you don't want to click, this is the query at the time of writing:
>
> area[name="Utah"]->.a;
> (
>   node[amenity=bicycle_rental](area.a);
>   node[amenity=bicycle_parking](area.a);
>   way[highway=cycleway](area.a);
>   way[cycleway](area.a);
>   way["cycleway:right"](area.a);
>   way["cycleway:left"](area.a);
>   way[bicycle=yes][highway!=motorway](area.a);
>   way[bicycle=designated](area.a);
> );
> out meta;
>>;
> out skel qt;
>
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Re: [Talk-us] dubious church node

[Marc Gemis]

> Another point is that if you have the outline for something that GNIS shows
> as a node, please conflate! I've done that with a lot of buildings and parks
> locally - just copy-and-paste the GNIS tags from the node to the polygon and
> then delete the node.

The utilsplugin2 [1] for JOSM and it's replace geometry is another way
to do this quickly.

m.

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/utilsplugin2

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Re: [Talk-us] Hurricane Irma - Puerto Rico

[Marc Gemis]

The hot task manager http://tasks.hotosm.org/ already lists 4 tasks :
3499, 3501, 3502 and 3504

regards

m.

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:33 AM, Jordan Brod  wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I was curious if anybody was planning to do a response similar to what was
> done in the Houston area for Puerto Rico (technically part of the US) in
> regards to Irma.  From looking at the map San Juan looks to be well mapped
> but the other areas seem to be lacking in building footprints.  The reason I
> ask is that with Puerto Rico being a commonwealth / unincorporated territory
> of the U.S. and not a state I don't know what kind of attention they will
> receive from FEMA or any of the other federal disaster departments, and if
> they are really hamstrung on data we might be able to offer assistance.  I
> don't think HOT will do an activation for Puerto Rico since they are part of
> the U.S. even if not an official state, and from the looks of the current
> response they are only activating for islands that have requested their
> help.
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Re: [Talk-us] Gender in OpenStreetMap

[Marc Gemis]

In the old thread someone wrote (paraphrasing): I map from
photographs, so I'm not biased.

Since I map in the same way, I have a couple of thoughts. A photo is a
personal interpretation of the real world. The photographer framed the
scene, leaving out or including items. This can be conscious or
unconscious. The interpretation of the photo also depends on the
individual. I once send a photo to the osm-be mailing list and asked
people what they would map. My purpose was to see whether I missed
some things or perhaps teach people to see better and map things they
did not know you could map. Different mappers gave different answers.
This means to me that mapping from a photo is not necessarily
unbiased.

I'm not saying the person in the original thread is dishonest, I
really believe he is trying to do the best he can for OSM, but some
bias can occur.
I know I might never skip taking photos of wayside shrines or dog
parks, but I might "forget" to take a picture of a shop if I'm tired
or have taken lots of pictures during a walk.

What I am missing from all the statistics that we already have about
mappers today, is how divers we map. This can be done e.g. by counting
the number of different amenities, shops, crafts, leisures that a
mapper added and/or updated. So not counting the number of amenities
one maps, but the number of different values of amenity one mapped. Of
course this depends on how well mapped your area is or how many
different features there are in your area. But I'm not the one doing
the research.
Then one can try to see whether this "diversity number" is biased by
gender, religion, education, mother tongue or any other aspect.

E.g. I know nothing about trees, so I will not map the genus of the
trees. So what I know has an impact on OSM. Depending on the OSM
population, genus will be mapped or not. I do not know whether there
are a lot of people that know the difference between the different
species of trees in OSM. So I cannot tell whether OSM is a good,
reliable database to find out about trees in different regions. This
is just one example, please do not focus on this particular example in
your replies.

Those are interesting questions to me. I understand that others do not
care, but I hope people will allow researchers to investigate this
type of topics.

regards

m

p.s. I'm a Belgian, my first language is Dutch, so forgive me when I
didn't use the best English words. It is not my intent to insult or
shame anyone.

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> Hi all,
>
> Let's continue the conversation on this new thread, keeping in mind that we
> all need to keep our mind open and have productive and positive
> conversation.
>
> I reserve the right to add a moderated cooling off period if we get too
> hostile towards each other again.
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Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Marc Gemis]

While I agree that changing peoples mapping habits is possible by
posting about certain mapping subjects, or developing apps, I do not
see why it is wrong to question whether a typical mapper only maps
what interests him/her or whether they also map other stuff.

I map a lot of items in which I have no personal interest, but because
I know other people are interested and because I want to work on the
best map possible.
Are there other mappers that map e.g. playgrounds (even if they do not
have children) ? Or are playgrounds mainly mapped by people with young
children?

Is not it worth to investigate this type of mapping habits ?


m

p.s. Who said you have to start mapping what you do not want to map? I
might have missed this with all the cross posting going on.

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Nick Hocking  wrote:
> This is how it's done
>
> http://www.dw.com/en/online-map-shows-wheelchair-accessible-locations-worldwide/a-15381244
>
> I met this bloke at SOTM Japan some years ago.   He didn't put out a
> questionaire about whether non-disabled persons tended to tag less
> accessability tags than disabled persons, because he already knew the
> answer. He just went out and mapped them, created a website to support his
> interest and got thousands of people interested in his project. Truly an
> inspirational mapper.
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Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Marc Gemis]

One of the discussion points on her diary entry was female hygiene
products found in women's toilets. How is a man going to map that,
without access to women's toilets ?

The real question for me is are men more likely going to map shop=car
than shop=clothes;clothes=underwear/fashion/ ... (sorry for the
stereotyping)
will men map leisure=playground or amenity=pub ?
will a roman catholic map a mosque ?
will a non-dog owner map leisure=dog_park ?

in short: will we map everything we  see or do we map only our
interests ? Furthermore, do we really see everything or do we only see
(and map) things we are conditioned to ?

This is not about buildings, addresses, roads and paths. They are
pretty gender neutral I think. It's about POIs.


regards

m.



On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Greg Morgan  wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Zoe Gardner  wrote:
>>
>> Dear OSM talk subscriber
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a Research Fellow in the Nottingham Geospatial Institute at the
>> University of Nottingham in the UK, interested in participation biases in
>> geospatial crowdsourced projects such as OSM and other Volunteered
>> Geographical Information (VGI) projects. My current research project is
>> concerned with the way in which participation biases in OSM may potentially
>> affect the usability of the data that is collected and subsequently what is
>> available to location based service providers which use OSM as their primary
>> geospatial database.
>>
>>
>>
>> The project is motivated by recent research that has found a strong male
>> bias in OSM participation. This has led to assertions that various
>> geospatial knowledge could be under represented or poorly recorded on the
>> map.
>
>
> Zoe,
>
> I believe that you need to go back to the drawing board.  OSM is not about
> gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation. OSM is about people with
> leisure time that are willing to spend to add nodes to a map.  If I like to
> add buidlings to the map, there is nothing about those nodes and one way
> that compose the building that would discriminate or leave out information
> based on gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation.
>
> This sounds like one of those surveys designed to damage OSM.
> "data that is collected and subsequently what is available to location based
> service providers"
> That statement sound like you are performing research for a vendor that
> cannot compete with OSM.
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Tiger Zip Data Removal Project (Update)

[Marc Gemis]

I wonder whether it is interesting to know the difference between
concrete, asphalt and pervious concrete. All three have different
characteristics whether it be comfort for the cyclist or being
dangerous under icy conditions or durability under heavy loaded
trucks. What do you think ? Is it worth recording those differences
for paved roads ?

m.

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 10:09 PM, Richard Fairhurst
 wrote:
> Kevin Kenny wrote:
>> Fair enough. I will confess that I'm a little lackadaisical about
>> tagging the surface on hard-surfaced roads. It appears that
>> some sort of hard surface is more or less assumed by default.
>> I do tag 'gravel', 'compacted', 'shale', 'sand', 'ground'
>> assiduously, and usually add some sort of assessment of
>> 'smoothness' on those.
>
> In that case you are absolutely on the side of the angels.
>
> Yes, if you clear the tiger:reviewed tag after reviewing that a residential
> (or unclassified, or tertiary, or greater) road genuinely does have a paved
> surface, that's AOK in my book - that's the assumed default for those
> highway values in developed countries. I generally wouldn't add
> surface=paved in such cases either.
>
> cheers
> Richard
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing 3

[Marc Gemis]

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Eric Ladner  wrote:
> Just to play Devil's advocate:  B is probably more TECHNICALLY correct since
> a solid white line indicates "lane change discouraged, but not illegal" and
> you'd probably want the routing software to indicate where the turn lane
> starts, not 200 feet later (esp. in heavy traffic and the lane's already
> full of cars).

In Belgium (and other European countries), it is illegal to cross a
solid white line under normal circumstances.

An OSM way represents a separate street, not a lane. When you start
representing lanes as ways, you break data consumers that count ways,
or that really need to know whether the physical divider is. Emergency
vehicles are not interested in solid white lines, but are interested
in physical dividers that they cannot cross.

For all those reasons, I will not map a separate way for a lane
separated by a solid line. I do hope that the  but routing apps should
start implementing change:lane, which is the proper way to map it
IMHO.

regards

m

(*) in some special case

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Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing 2

[Marc Gemis]

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:37 PM,   wrote:
> The turn lanes plugin seems to support this nicely:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8wmp5h2cn931pic/Screenshot%202017-06-19%2014.33.40.jpg?dl=0
> — even though the center lane is rarely marked with left turn arrows, as
> suggested by the turn lane style.

That's because in Europe they usually have those left turn arrows. :-)

m.

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Re: [Talk-us] Mapping traffic signals and stop signs using MapRoulette

[Marc Gemis]

I don't understand your roundabouts example. The give way before the
roundabout can be mapped on the road entering the roundabout, not ?
What's different from another road with a give way sign ? That the
roundabout is a one-way road ? Perhaps the rules for give way signs
before roundabouts are different between the US and Europe ?

The other examples add additional requirements and were not really
what I asked for.
I think those situations even do not exist in Belgium, which does not
mean we should not be able to map them, just that we do not need a
complex tagging system for our give ways.

If we follow the KISS principle, we can still map all the give ways
where we do no have those additional requirements without using
relations and keep relations for those cases where a give way only
applies to certain transportation modes or to certain directions. You
could compare to to not mapping turn restrictions if we can map it
with a oneway-tag.

I think you will not be able to convince me that relations are a good
thing for simple cases and I will not be able to convince you of the
opposite. But since there is no proposal for a relation, I cannot use
it. So unless someone writes a proposal, relations will not be used.

regards

m.

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> As I asked you before, show me a real world case where you have to map
>> a give way sign on the intersection of more than 1 OSM way. After
>> mapping several hundreds of them in Belgium, I have never seen a case
>> where it is needed.
>
>
> Roundabouts.  Intersections that are signalized but marked for a right turn
> yield for bicyclists.  4-way intersections with a two-way yield.

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Re: [Talk-us] Mapping traffic signals and stop signs using MapRoulette

[Marc Gemis]

As I asked you before, show me a real world case where you have to map
a give way sign on the intersection of more than 1 OSM way. After
mapping several hundreds of them in Belgium, I have never seen a case
where it is needed.

But I'm willing to map relations as well, but then someone has to make
that proposal, move it forward, make sure the tools get updated etc.

m.

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org>
>> wrote:
>> > How does it not?  A node doesn't infer a way that it's attached to,
>> > though a
>> > node may infer what nodes it crosses through.  This is why relations
>> > became
>> > a thing, to model things that can't be inferred from the other two
>> > primitive
>> > types, particularly for enforcement and turn restrictions.
>>
>> Are you saying that when I (or the software) traverse a way in forward
>> direction  and it encounters a node that has a give way  tag on it,
>> that it cannot read the direction tag on the node as well and then
>> decided whether it has to apply the give way or not ?
>
>
> In cases more complex than a simple one-way-in, one-way-out scenario on a
> one-way road, not with any real consistent accuracy, no.

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On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
> How does it not?  A node doesn't infer a way that it's attached to, though a
> node may infer what nodes it crosses through.  This is why relations became
> a thing, to model things that can't be inferred from the other two primitive
> types, particularly for enforcement and turn restrictions.

Are you saying that when I (or the software) traverse a way in forward
direction  and it encounters a node that has a give way  tag on it,
that it cannot read the direction tag on the node as well and then
decided whether it has to apply the give way or not ?

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Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing

[Marc Gemis]

Oh , I thought position 2 was where the physical barrier ended. Must
have misinterpreted the image



On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Harald Kliems <kli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:09 AM Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I thought the "standard" was to put the exit and entrance nodes at the
>> place where there is no physical barrier. Continuous white lines
>> should be mapped with change:lanes and should have no impact on the
>> position of the node. So definitely position "2".
>> IMHO This is illustrated by the picture on
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes
>
>
> Please note the footnote on the wiki page though: "There is no physical
> separation between the upper two lanes and the lower ones, just a double
> solid line. While the editing standards recommend to split the ways only
> when a physical separation is present, in many regions the ways are already
> splitted in case of a legal separation like a double solid line. In such a
> case both resulting ways should be tagged with lanes=2."
>
> So if we go by what is called the "editing standards," the example that
> Horea posted is correct as is, with a split at position 2 being common but
> not exactly right because there is no physical barrier. To me that makes
> sense, as we also wouldn't map a two-lane road with a double yellow line but
> no median as separate ways.
>
>  Harald.

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Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing

[Marc Gemis]

I thought the "standard" was to put the exit and entrance nodes at the
place where there is no physical barrier. Continuous white lines
should be mapped with change:lanes and should have no impact on the
position of the node. So definitely position "2".
IMHO This is illustrated by the picture on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes

m

On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Rihards  wrote:
> On 2017.04.25. 12:19, Horea Meleg wrote:
>> Hy guys, thanks for your responses.
>> Do you think that is better to move motorway_junction where continuous line 
>> begins? In real life you can't cross a continuous line, so I think it should 
>> be the same in OSM. What do you think?
>
> i'd probably go for "between where you may and may not enter the lane",
> maybe even leaning more towards the beginning of the allowed move.
> if you are mapping individual turning lanes, then "between" wouldn't
> work that well - for these, i'd err on starting them where one may enter
> the lane at the beginning.
>
>> Thanks,
>> Horea
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rihards [mailto:ric...@nakts.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 11:05 AM
>> To: Hans De Kryger ; Horea Meleg 
>> 
>> Cc: talk-US@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Best practice in Lane Editing
>>
>> On 2017.04.25. 09:50, Hans De Kryger wrote:
>>> The motorway link should be dropped down to 2 where the lane actually
>>> starts
>>
>> between 1 & 2 for sure.
>>
>>> *Regards,**
>>> *
>>>
>>> *Hans*
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Horea Meleg >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Me and my Telenav colleagues started to edit lane numbers in Detroit
>>> area. We met lots of cases where highway_link starts exactly at the
>>> junction of roads. For example, this case here: 42.474427,
>>> -83.155894.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Do you think it is ok to leave motorway_junction as it is already
>>> mapped and add lanes=5 between 1 and motorway_junction, or you
>>> consider it’s better to move it in position 1 or 2 and add lane
>>> number on motorway and motorway_link accordingly.
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Horea Meleg
>>>
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Re: [Talk-us] Creating dual-carraigeways where there are existing oute relations

[Marc Gemis]

JOSM has functionality to copy relations from one way to another. Of
course, you will still have to delete the relations that hold for the
other direction.
There is also a plugin that helps you check public transport
relations, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/PT_Assistant

regards

m

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:01 PM, maning sambale
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Our team at Mapbox has been adding turn lanes in several cities in the
> US. In some cases, bi-directional roads need to be converted to
> dual-carriageways when there is a physical separation.  However, we
> are finding it difficult to create dual-carriageways since most major
> roads already have route relations and there is a danger of breaking
> route relations.
>
> We are documenting the process here:
> https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/180#issuecomment-279367407
> Would love the community's inputs on how we can avoid relation breakage.
>
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[Talk-us] Mapper of the Month: Steve All

[Marc Gemis]

Steve was so kind to accept my request for an interview.

You can read it at the new website of the Belgian Community:
http://www.osm.be/2017/01/19/en-motm-Steve-All.html

Enjoy.


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Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2016-12-17

[Marc Gemis]

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Martijn van Exel
 wrote:
> There's also garmin.openstreetmap.nl where you can define your own custom
> bounding box for generating Garmin routable map files. Perhaps that helps.

Lately several people reported errors with this service.
You could use http://extract.bbbike.org/ as an alternative

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Re: [Talk-us] TopOSM

[Marc Gemis]

there is also https://opentopomap.org, is this similar to what you need ?

regards

m

On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Lars Ahlzen  wrote:
> On 05/20/2016 10:58 PM, Richard Welty wrote:
>>
>> On 5/20/16 9:24 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:
>>>
>>> I was just on TopOSM [1] which appears to be very outdated. Does
>>> anyone know who maintains this site?
>>>
>>> [1] http://toposm.ahlzen.com/
>>
>> lars ahlzen maintains it. not sure if he's still monitoring this list
>> closely or not.
>
>
> I do. It's pretty out of date indeed.
>
> TopOSM was never rendered on-the-fly. It's just a (very large) set of static
> tiles (currently hosted by Stamen). To update it I'd have to either
> re-render and upload the entire set, or improve it until it can be rendered
> in real time. I was working on the latter [1] but never quite finished it.
>
> There's already the OSM cycle map which has a lot of the same features,
> though with a slightly different focus. I guess one advantage of something
> like toposm is that it can use higher-resolution data from sources like
> USGS, and uses US conventions for things like units, symbols and other
> cartographic details.
>
> Would it be would be worth picking it up again?
>
> - Lars
>
> [1] https://github.com/Ahlzen/TopOSM2
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Re: [Talk-us] Caliparks re-tagging paths?

[Marc Gemis]

They tagged them as "social_path", according to their blog entry [1]

regards

m

[1] 
https://hi.stamen.com/patrolling-trails-in-openstreetmap-a1c4762efb70#.2qq0g0v79

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>I find this article a bit worrying:
>
> http://www.citylab.com/cityfixer/2016/03/caliparks-app-safer-hiking-trails-california/475047/
>
> It is about an app that displays tracks in California public parks based
> on OSM. When officials were unhappy about unoffical paths being displayed,
>
> "Park managers have tried to delete these trails from OpenStreetMap, but
> they often pop back up",
>
> (I sure hope they pop back up, and if I catch any park managers deleting
> existing paths I'd have a word with them), and then
>
> "developers at Stamen, GreenInfo Network, and Trailhead Labs essentially
> “muted” the data that identifies the errant trails by tagging them with
> a code from differentiates them from authorized paths."
>
> I would be interested to find out how this "muting" happened and if it
> has any adverse effects on other data consumers. There's certainly good
> and bad ways to do it, but I don't remember anything having been
> discussed with the community. Could someone from one of the groups
> participating in this commercial editing enlighten us about what exactly
> is being done, which tags are changed/used, etc?
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Why do city names display in the local language at osm.org?

[Marc Gemis]

Jochen Topf has an experimental site where you can pick the language
for the tags, see http://mlm.jochentopf.com/


regards


m

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Toby Murray  wrote:
> Yeah, the tiles on osm.org just straight up render the name=* tag
> which is supposed to contain the name of an object in the primary
> language of the area that it is in.
>
> I know Wikipedia has done some work on localizing maps. I believe the
> way they do it is to render a map without any labels and then have
> language-specific layers that have nothing but the names on them. The
> client chooses which name layer to load on top of the label-less base
> layer.
>
> I'm guessing there are better ways to handle this if you go the route
> of using vector tiles instead of bitmaps...
>
> Toby
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Steve Friedl  wrote:
>> Mapping tiles are not generated on a per-user basis; they are generated for
>> all users and shared.  The rendering software has to make intelligent
>> decisions about how to make the maps look reasonable for everybody, and my
>> suspicion is that things like city names are chosen from the local language
>> of the country that the city is within, on the grounds that most people
>> looking at a city live in the country.
>>
>>
>>
>> It would be great if tiles were rendered customly for everybody (I’d be able
>> to see elevations in feet instead of meters), but that’s not how this one
>> works.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Alan Bragg [mailto:alan.d.br...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 7:32 AM
>> To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap 
>> Subject: [Talk-us] Why do city names display in the local language at
>> osm.org?
>>
>>
>>
>> My preferred language is set to "en"
>>
>> For example Florence Italy displays as Firenze even though it's tagged with
>> many languages including en:Florence
>>
>> I get the same display in both the  chrome and internet explorer browsers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] rebooting: tagging footways and sidewalks discussion

[Marc Gemis]

I just noticed a similar question on the tagging mailing list:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-October/027115.html
It would be nice to combine efforts, not ?

regards

m

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 12:19 PM, maning sambale  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We are working on improving tags for sidewalk in the US.  Details in
> this issue [0].
> The sidewalk detection algorithm runs OK in most cases but fails in
> some [1].  Mostly the contention was whether a footway separated by a
> grassy area from the road is considered a sidewalk which was already
> discussed in this list [2].
>
> The wiki defines sidewalk as "often separated from the carriageway (or
> roadway) by a kerb (also curb)". [3]
>
> As in most cases in OSM, we would like to defer to the local (US)
> community on how they define it.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> [0] https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/125
> [1] https://www.mapbox.com/bites/00186/#
> [2]
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2014-April/012984.html
> [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sidewalks
>
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> maning
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Re: [Talk-us] Growing OSM (was OpenStreetMap US elections: October 12 townhall with candidates)

[Marc Gemis]

After 11 editions of "Mapper of the Month" in Belgium and number 12 coming,
we see that almost all people started mapping because they are coming for
from Open Source/Data communities or because the other map solutions are
lacking for their needs.

They need a map for hiking, cycling, etc. and the commercial providers do
not give them that.
The map from the commercial providers is not updated fast enough.
There are features (POIs, amenities) that are not available on the maps of
commercial providers, examples: AEDs, bread vending machines,
historical/listed buildings.

Perhaps the maps of the commercial providers fulfil the needs of the US
users better in those areas ? If not, why not contacting the communities
for which those commercial map are not sufficient ? Isn't that more
efficient than PR-message to the "whole" world ?

Do we really understand why OSM is popular in e.g. Germany and the UK ? Are
those reasons applicable in the USA as well, or why not ?

regards

m

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 14/10/2015 16:21, Steve Coast wrote:
>
>> (snipped)
>>
>> What we’ve tried so far:
>>
>> * SOTM getting bigger every year
>> * We tried paid ambassadors at CloudMade, running mapping parties with
>> some success but the timeframe was very long to see people turn in to
>> editors.
>> * We've tried making the web editor nicer multiple times (potlatch,
>> mapzen, iD etc) and that doesn’t lead to meaningful growth in editors.
>> * Mapping parties appear to have some traction, but take a long time
>> * Getting schools involved appears to work briefly, then everyone goes
>> home or to the next class
>> * Competitions to map areas (google also tried this for mapmaker)
>>
>
> From a UK perspective, what _definitely_ increases the short-term signup
> rate is any sort of national press coverage.  Re social meetups, I don't
> know whether any of other the local groups can report differently, but in
> the East Midlands of England although we get a few OSM-curious people
> coming along I don't think we've seen any new "heavy mappers" coming into
> the project that way; people just stumble across the project somehow and
> sometimes stick around.
>
> The rough analysis I did ages ago (in Italy I think) didn't suggest that
> local "welcome messages" had an effect on retention (over the couple of
> months that I looked at the data).  It didn't look at mapping quality
> though; maybe there was an effect there.
>
> I suspect that "trying to be nice to newbies" has an effect (though I've
> no idea how you'd measure that independently of other variables) and I also
> suspect that "making the web editor nicer" has an effect too, but that
> can't really be measured independently either.
>
> So I'd suggest just "get lots of press where the OpenStreetMap name is
> used" and "be really helpful to the new mappers who show up, no matter how
> many unwritten rules they break with their first edits"*.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy
>
> * It's worth mentioning that most "comments to new mappers" _are_ really
> polite and helpful (see http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussions ).
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Re: [Talk-us] Best iOS app for GPS wander, GPX to laptop into OSM?

[Marc Gemis]

Keypadmapper can send the recorded data via email.
OSMTracker can upload the GPX-trace directly to OSM
I use Bluetooth to get the data from OSMTracker or OsmAn to my laptop.

regards

m


On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 7:53 AM, stevea <stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote:

> Marc Gemis writes:
>
>> I've tried OsmAnd, OSMTracker and KeypadMapper 3.
>>
> (and more).
>
> Thank you, Marc!  I "prefer" (as it's familiar, though maybe old school) a
> dedicated GPS and a USB cable, too.  But then there ARE smartphones enabled
> with GPS, and they CAN and SHOULD do this sort of "capture and squirt" (GPX
> data at OSM) the way I'm discussing.  Just finding the right app (iOS and
> Android) to do it is all.  Wireless (Bluetooth?) would be very neat, and
> GPX seems like the right data format to act as a data format vehicle.  Yes,
> and not too darn many tap-tap-taps on that tiny screen!  The phone is the
> data capture (and squirt it) device, the laptop (and iD in a web browser)
> are the editing environment.  Let's connect these (wirelessly).
>
> SteveA
> California
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Re: [Talk-us] Best iOS app for GPS wander, GPX to laptop into OSM?

[Marc Gemis]

I've tried OsmAnd, OSMTracker and KeypadMapper 3.

The latter two do not show a map.
The first one does.

Still prefer a dedicated GPS-device, in my case a Garmin 10 + photo camera.
Reasons:

* I can take more pictures and faster with the camera. All the smartphone
apps requires to many clicks and my phone is not fast enough
* Both the GPS-device and camera are around my neck. Need because I walk
3-4 dogs while surveying. But I'm planning to buy a smartphone case +
lanyard to "simulate" this.
* I can operate the GPS device and camera with 1 hand. I have problems to
do that with the smartphone.
* my way of creating waypoints on the GPS device is still faster than
KeypadMapper 3 in most cases (for house numbers)

Drawback
* need to take "sync" picture at the start. create waypoint + photo
* need cable to transfer GPX-track
* need software to fix the time difference between pictures and GPS track.

Still those drawbacks outweighs the convenience of the dedicated devices
for surveying.

just my .5 cents

regards

m

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 2:38 AM, stevea  wrote:

> Looking at Strava, Galileo, Sygic, MAPS.ME and Cyclemeter GPS now.
> SteveA
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Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?

[Marc Gemis]

They can be mapped, especially the long ones and tagged as highway=service,
service=driveway, and typically access=private.
I don't care for the appearance of the map, it's more important to connect
houses that are further away from the main road via the proper driveway to
allow navigation to the front door.
They have been mapped in several places around the world, also in places
where there was no Tiger import.


regards

m

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Tom Bloom  wrote:

> TIGER drew thousands of driveways that are often simply wrong. They are
> tagged private and in my opinion spoil the map appearance with little red
> squiggles all over the place. No other map I've found includes them.
> Looking around the country, I notice some areas where they were removed,
> changed to service roads, drawn de novo, and one area (near Rosebud, OR)
> where they were inexplicably changed to living_street, which they just
> aren't.
>
> I've been deleting them if wildly wrong, and would like to delete all I
> encounter. Any ideas?
>
> (I mostly map in the Midwest)
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Re: [Talk-us] understanding administrative boundary relations

[Marc Gemis]

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:56 AM, Ray Kiddy  wrote:

> It has occurred to me that there will probably need to be a "boundary
> watcher" tool, which can let an interested group know about it when a
> boundary gets broken in some way. And I have started playing with the
> python libraries for accessing OSM data with this in mind.
>

There is a German team that does this. They maintain the website
https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/boundaries/ from which you can download all
administrative boundaries in a number of formats.
They also have a website with all missing (or broken) administrative
boundaries:
https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.php/projekte/internationale-administrative-grenzen/missing-boundaries
 (in German)

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Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

[Marc Gemis]

Sorry, but I'm not trolling. I just want to understand why the railway
people should get a different treatment.
If you're argument is to better understand why the landscape is like it is
now, then that is also true for razed streets [1]  where the road used to
come closer to the buildings in the north of it,
or razed buildings [2] where the open area in the forest used to be a
holiday center.

regards

m


[1] http://osm.org/go/0EpMcxF19--?m=way=36566343
[2] http://osm.org/go/0Esv3v5q?m=relation=2718260

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:



 On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com
 wrote:

 The razed sections of the abandoned railway need not confuse anybody.


 Will you allow razed buildings and razed streets as well in OSM ( just
 curious) ?
 What about previous swamps, forest, etc. that are now turned into ... ?

 Or are you requesting a exception for railways ?


 I thought that was perfectly clear: railways are an exception.
 Or maybe you're just trolling.


 There's very little else that's like an abandoned railway.
 Though if a airelway or pipeline were dug up in parts, I'd have the same
 conclusion:
 keep the man made linear feature intact until it's completely gone.
 -

 Editors can be MUCH smarter about hiding clutter.  I see nothing at all
 wrong with hiding by default
 razed railroads, boundary relations, and even land use polygons.  Anyone
 who needs/wants to edit
 those features could turn them on.


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Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects

[Marc Gemis]

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:

 The razed sections of the abandoned railway need not confuse anybody.


Will you allow razed buildings and razed streets as well in OSM ( just
curious) ?
What about previous swamps, forest, etc. that are now turned into ... ?

Or are you requesting a exception for railways ?

regards

m
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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Importing Tesla Superchargers

[Marc Gemis]

Do you think anybody will do the effort to correct some of the data, when
it will be overwritten again with each update ? That's why people ask not
to overwrite the data automatically.



regards


m

p.s. it's annoying that this is cross-posted on 2 mailing lists, I'm only
subscribed to one of them.
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Re: [Talk-us] Bus flag stops?

[Marc Gemis]

So you mean that there is at least a pole to indicate the stop, something
as on this picture [1] ?

regards

m


[1] http://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2015/2015-03-08-Kester/i-LFFfVns

On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

 On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 5:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer 
 dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:


  Am 07.03.2015 um 20:34 schrieb Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:
 
  How do we deal with bus stops that exist in transit schedules but have
 no physical presence?

 does the bus stop always at the same stop?


 If someone pulls the cord or there's someone waiting at it, yes.  But it's
 not like a bus station where the bus will always stop regardless of demand.


 Where would you wait if you wanted to take the bus at this stop?


 Next to the road roughly guesstimating the closest safe spot for the
 driver to stop at.  Occasionally an advertising company will notice the
 presence of passengers waiting and drop a bench with a billboard on it, but
 the city, the transit agency and/or the landowner they left it on are
 somewhat quick to remove them.


 Or is it just for getting off?


  No, you can board, too.

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Re: [Talk-us] I've been workin' on the railroad (in California)

[Marc Gemis]

Somehow my mail program corrupted your query, the greater-than sign was
gone.
It's easier to share Overpass Queries with the share button, so just follow
this link: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/76j . Position over an area you would
like to investigate and press Run.
If needed you could include an automatic run in the link as well. I didn't
do that here.

regards

m.
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Re: [Talk-us] GNIS POI populations

[Marc Gemis]

Or Overpass + Level0   :-)

regards

m.



On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net
wrote:

 Minh Nguyen wrote:
  I think we should consider a mechanical edit to update these tags

 While you're thinking about GNIS mechanical edits, could I suggest one for
 GNIS-sourced POIs with (historical) in the name?

 There are several gazillion amenity=post_office, name=Fred Creek Post
 Office
 (historical) in the database. Clearly these aren't actually post offices
 any
 more. Ideally I guess they should be disused:amenity=post_office, or
 historic:amenity, or something.


 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site%3Aopenstreetmap.org+gnis+historicalgws_rd=ssl

 I'd do it myself but this is about the one area where you _do_ need JOSM
 rather than P2. ;)

 cheers
 Richard





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Re: [Talk-us] Misspelled names

[Marc Gemis]

In the UK someone is trying to do the same. He's following the mechanical
edit procedure. Here is his proposal page:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Math1985/UK_Shop_Names

regards

m

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:02 AM, Eric Christensen e...@christensenplace.us
wrote:

 On , Mike Henson wrote:

 I have been trying to catch misspelled names of restaurants and fast
 food places.


 Is there a way to do mass fixes?  There is a common error where
 Chick-fil-A misspelled Chic-fil-A that messes me up when I do searches.

 --Eric

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Re: [Talk-us] Ghost Towns

[Marc Gemis]

Is the abandoned prefix [1] something for you ?
or abandoned=village [2] (in German)

both tags are rendered on [3]

regards

m




[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:abandoned
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:abandoned%3Dvillage
[3]
http://geschichtskarten.openstreetmap.de/historische_objekte/translate/en/index-en.html


On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Hans De Kryger hans.dekryge...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Anyone know if we map ghost towns in osm? Couldn't find anything, not even
 a tag.

 *Regards,*

 *Hans*

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Re: [Talk-us] Vandalism

[Marc Gemis]

Is this really vandalism or a user that wanted to add her/his company to
the map (o.a. for advertising purposes) and accidentally selected the
street instead of the building ?

regards

m

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Hans De Kryger hans.dekryge...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I'd like to report vandalism from this user - (http://goo.gl/K0utbF) for
 this changeset - (http://goo.gl/s1eooa)

 Anyone have the DWG's email?

 *Regards,*

 *Hans*


 *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13*

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Re: [Talk-us] Vandalism

[Marc Gemis]

In this case I don't mind, the user made only one edit with the purpose of
advertising a business.

 But imaging what the effect would be when you make your first edit in OSM,
and are immediately called vandal. Would you continue editing ? I doubt so.
IMHO The best solution in such a case is first contact the mapper and
friendly point out that he/she made a mistake. That it is simply to correct
this. Suggest how it can be fixed.
Immediately start yelling vandalism and contacting the DWR for such a small
issue is an overkill and turns aways new mappers.

regards

m

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.com wrote:

 On Thu, 2014-10-09 at 08:42 +0200, Marc Gemis wrote:
  Is this really vandalism or a user that wanted to add her/his company
  to the map (o.a. for advertising purposes) and accidentally selected
  the street instead of the building ?

 I fixed it. The comment I put on the changeset calls it vandalism, as
 the user changed a street to advertise their business. It may be
 unintentional but the change had what amounted to a vandalistic effect.


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Re: [Talk-us] Vandalism

[Marc Gemis]

Since when has the DWG jurisdiction on user pages ?
IMHO the DWG can only interfere when the data of OSM was affected.

I'm not saying that I like that persons' user page, but where is it written
that you cannot advertise on that page?

regards

m

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think this is still a question for the DWG.  I agree that it would be
 great to look at case from a positive perspective.  In that respect, It
 would have been great if they just added a poi for the business, address,
 etc However, when you look at the user page,
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Cheryl%20Daly, then you see that it was
 all about advertisement.  Changing a street name to the person's name and
 business and using the change set description as yet another form of
 advertisement, http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/25304540, then you
 see it was nothing more than vandalism.

 The map has been fixed. Perhaps the real question for DWG is should the
 person's bio page, the person's bio icon, and the change set description be
 scrubbed by the DWG?  Moreover, should the description say, Removed
 because of vandalism.  What do you think?

 Regards,
 Greg


 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:31 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

 It happens sometimes.  Had a campground respond and ask if I'd be willing
 to detail map their property for them.

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Hans De Kryger hans.dekryge...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 I'll attempt to reach out. But it always seems that these one edit users
 never respond.

 Regards,
 Hans
 On Oct 9, 2014 1:12 AM, Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.com wrote:

 On Thu, 2014-10-09 at 02:44 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote:
  Yeah, umm...I realize I have a bit of a history on this subject that
  I'd rather not rehash in detail right now, but I'm going to have to
  concur that we should not go zero to vandalism accusations for what
  definitely seems well within a reasonable doubt of being a good faith
  newbie attempt gone wrong.  Did anybody try reaching out to the user
  and offering to help?

 I reverted the edit (to minimize the damage), but I'm not nearly as
 comfortable doing the reaching out part at the moment.

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Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

[Marc Gemis]

In Europe (at least Germany, Belgium, The Netherlands, UK) people started
to add both source:maxspeed=country code:classification and explicit
maxspeed tags. Then there is no need for an external DB to lookup the
speeds. Although it means that when the speed changes, all roads have to be
retagged.

regards


On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:00 AM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote:

 California has a 25 MPH rule for school zones while Arizona has (or at
 least had when I lived there) a 15 MPH school zone limit. It seems that 25
 MPH in a residential area is pretty standard but I think states have enough
 discretion in setting limits that they could vary from one state to the
 next. So I think the source attribution should allow for differences
 between states for the same class of road. Thus my suggestion for
 source:maxspeed=US:CA:residential for tagging in my area.

 On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Greg Morgan wrote:



 On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote:

 Thus far I've only applied the maxspeed tag to roads with a posted speed
 limit. But here in California most residential roads are not posted,
 instead there is a state wide prima facie limit:
 http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22352.htm


 I wonder if 15 mph in a school zone and 25 mph in a residential area are
 some sort of federal standard?  The source tag might be useful but not much
 different than other states.

 Regards,
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