Re: [Talk-us] Best iOS app for GPS wander, GPX to laptop into OSM?

[stevea]

I want to say Thank You to all who replied.  I/we are still 
evaluating the softwares suggested, and while "free" (as in beer) 
wasn't mentioned (and is an appreciated feature!) some of the 
software which costs a modest price ($1.99) also seem worthy of 
consideration.  This research helps me/us (one or more professors) 
for a University of California-based Mapping Party to take place in 
early- or mid-2016.  So, Thank You!


SteveA
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Re: [Talk-us] Best iOS app for GPS wander, GPX to laptop into OSM?

[Ben Miller]

I like MotionX-GPS for recording tracks. You can easily export and share
them in GPX format via email. It's not free, but for a regular mapper it
would be $2 well spent.

You can also use OSM map tiles in the app, although I'm pretty sure that
it's MotionX's own rendering, and it's not usually very up to date.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 7:55 PM stevea  wrote:

> You know what I mean.  This would be a Mapping Party method.  Why
> loan out GPS hardware?
>
> OK, Android, too.  Best GPS-phone-enabled app to absorb a decent
> Mapping Party wander and upload to a laptop.  (Something like
> GPSBabel, but streamlined for GPS-phone-to-laptop, could be a USB
> cable, could be Wi-Fi or Bluetooth, there are lots of possibilities).
> Upload to OSM directly (also) from the phone app is OK, too.  The
> idea here is to do an iD walkthrough (on a laptop, at a Mapping
> Party) as a teaching moment.  Uploading a GPX track is one thing.
> Editing the map with iD and good tags and smart data entry is much
> more.  We have the time and patience to share what we know with
> others (we also have newer tools, like smartphones running newer OS
> versions).  We want these new OSM volunteers to soar and fly.  So
> let's conversation-streamline some smartphone-to-OSM_Editor
> solutions.  Anybody?
>
> I figure I'll just start talking about this here.  You never know who
> is reading and might think "good idea, I might listen in on that
> thread."  Or even throw in two cents.
>
> Thanks,
> SteveA
> California
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Re: [Talk-us] Best iOS app for GPS wander, GPX to laptop into OSM?

[Adam Franco]

For trail surveys and other GPS recording on Android I've been very happy
with Google's "My Tracks" app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.maps.mytracks=en

It's pretty easy to use just hit "record", then allows the addition of
markers & photos while recording -- though I have only used markers myself.
After one is done recording, the track can be exported as a GPX file and
then sent to a computer via USB/Bluetooth/Dropbox or any other transfer
method enabled on your phone.

I've also tried doing surveys with OsmAnd, but found that the recording was
much less stable and would often get interrupted and need to be restarted
-- quite frustrating.

Adam

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Greg Troxel  wrote:

>
> Marc Gemis  writes:
>
> > Keypadmapper can send the recorded data via email.
>
> Keep in mind that keypadmapper is spyware :-) In all seriousness, it
> uploads locations and cell ids to a public database whenever it's
> running.  If you're out explicitly doing mapping, that might be fine at
> times, but it's bad behavior in general and I must therefore recommend
> against recommending it.
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Re: [Talk-us] Best iOS app for GPS wander, GPX to laptop into OSM?

[Marc Gemis]

Keypadmapper can send the recorded data via email.
OSMTracker can upload the GPX-trace directly to OSM
I use Bluetooth to get the data from OSMTracker or OsmAn to my laptop.

regards

m


On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 7:53 AM, stevea  wrote:

> Marc Gemis writes:
>
>> I've tried OsmAnd, OSMTracker and KeypadMapper 3.
>>
> (and more).
>
> Thank you, Marc!  I "prefer" (as it's familiar, though maybe old school) a
> dedicated GPS and a USB cable, too.  But then there ARE smartphones enabled
> with GPS, and they CAN and SHOULD do this sort of "capture and squirt" (GPX
> data at OSM) the way I'm discussing.  Just finding the right app (iOS and
> Android) to do it is all.  Wireless (Bluetooth?) would be very neat, and
> GPX seems like the right data format to act as a data format vehicle.  Yes,
> and not too darn many tap-tap-taps on that tiny screen!  The phone is the
> data capture (and squirt it) device, the laptop (and iD in a web browser)
> are the editing environment.  Let's connect these (wirelessly).
>
> SteveA
> California
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Re: [Talk-us] Best iOS app for GPS wander, GPX to laptop into OSM?

[Peter Dobratz]

Steve,

For most of my data collection, I find that the built in photos app is
actually all I use.  Each photo is geotagged, which comes in handy if I
forget exactly where I was when I took the photo.  I end up picking up
details when looking at the pictures later that I didn't originally see
(phone number in a shop window, fire hydrant in front of a shop, etc).

If I just want to capture a GPX file, then I use GPXTrack (costs $1.99):

http://bafford.com/software/gpstrack/

Once you've finished your track, then you can email the .gpx file to
yourself.

Another option for collecting GPS tracks is to use RunKeeper (free for
basic mode):

http://runkeeper.com/

This is a program designed to keep track of your workouts and you can
specify what mode of travel you are using before you start (run, walk,
bike, etc).  I believe the program requires you to sign up for a RunKeeper
user account.  Once you are done with your run, you can view your run on
the RunKeeper website and even download a .gpx file yourself.  I believe
they also put everyone's tracks together in aggregate to find holes in OSM
data.

Note: when running GPXTrack or RunKeeper and switching to other apps
(Photos, email, OSM website in web browser, etc), the phone OS can actually
suspend your GPX collecting app and it won't resume data collection until
you switch back to the app.  I've noticed this phenomenon much less when
moving from the iPhone 4S to iPhone 6 Plus.

I've also recently started using Mapillary (free):

http://www.mapillary.com/

Mapillary requires a user account as well.  You take a bunch of photos and
upload them to Mapillary's website for anyone to see.  It also connects the
dots and shows you the path you took from one photo to the next.  You can
either take individual shots or set it to auto mode and just point the
camera in front of you as you are walking around.  They do some
post-processing on images to attempt to blur things like license plates.
When you view the photos on the website, you can ask for portions to be
blurred or unblurred.  There's a JOSM plug-in for Mapillary photos and also
they have their own version of the iD editor that lets you see Mapillary
photos.

Maps.me is a very interesting app that I use a lot.  I love that I can
download my map data for my state and a few surrounding states to have a
wealth of map data directly on my phone.  It's a little bit frustrating for
OSM data contributors because the Maps.me data is 1 or 2 months old.  It's
great if you go to Canada and need a map on your phone and don't want to
pay exorbitant rates for mobile data.

Peter


On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:53 PM, stevea  wrote:

> Marc Gemis writes:
>
>> I've tried OsmAnd, OSMTracker and KeypadMapper 3.
>>
> (and more).
>
> Thank you, Marc!  I "prefer" (as it's familiar, though maybe old school) a
> dedicated GPS and a USB cable, too.  But then there ARE smartphones enabled
> with GPS, and they CAN and SHOULD do this sort of "capture and squirt" (GPX
> data at OSM) the way I'm discussing.  Just finding the right app (iOS and
> Android) to do it is all.  Wireless (Bluetooth?) would be very neat, and
> GPX seems like the right data format to act as a data format vehicle.  Yes,
> and not too darn many tap-tap-taps on that tiny screen!  The phone is the
> data capture (and squirt it) device, the laptop (and iD in a web browser)
> are the editing environment.  Let's connect these (wirelessly).
>
> SteveA
> California
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Best iOS app for GPS wander, GPX to laptop into OSM?

[Simon Poole]

Am 06.10.2015 um 08:55 schrieb Peter Dobratz:
...
a lot of stuff I was  just going to write :-)
...


In any case, I believe it is important not to get trapped in the "old"
way of doing things. For the majority* of edits the "modern" (excluding
on device editing which actually works fine) way is

- collecting geo-referenced information with the camera in your phone
(including the cardinal direction you are pointing it in)

- adding/improving geometry from aerial imagery

Alas iD currently only supports the former via mapillary, which doesn't
really work in a mapping party scenario and introduces additional
unnecessary complications for newbies (not to mention that there is lots
of stuff people photograph that they don't actually want to upload to a
public service), so you are really stuck with JOSM for an integrated
work flow.

Getting the photographs on to your laptop/desktop need not be more
complicated that having any one of the "webserver on the mobile" apps
installed.


* naturally there are plenty of special cases, special regions etc.
where this doesn't apply

Simon

PS: the iD issue is not new https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/1502



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Re: [Talk-us] Best iOS app for GPS wander, GPX to laptop into OSM?

[Kevin Kenny]

On 10/06/2015 11:47 AM, Adam Franco wrote:
For trail surveys and other GPS recording on Android I've been very 
happy with Google's "My Tracks" app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.maps.mytracks=en 



The original question was about iOS, about which I know nothing.

But on Android, I've been quite well pleased with BackCountry Navigator 
PRO GPS. There's a free demo, and the real app is $12 if memory serves. 
It offers several decent topo map services, plus more that you pay for. 
It runs well without a network connection (it lets you download the base 
map in advance), which is perfect for those backcountry trails that lack 
cell service.


I do my own maps for it, using Mapnik of course! 
http://kbk.is-a-geek.net/catskills/test3.html is a sample of what's 
possible.


My biggest mapping project to date with it has been 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4286650 - every step of that trail 
is checked against my GPS logs from BackCountry Navigator.


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73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin


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Re: [Talk-us] Best iOS app for GPS wander, GPX to laptop into OSM?

[Greg Troxel]

Marc Gemis  writes:

> Keypadmapper can send the recorded data via email.

Keep in mind that keypadmapper is spyware :-) In all seriousness, it
uploads locations and cell ids to a public database whenever it's
running.  If you're out explicitly doing mapping, that might be fine at
times, but it's bad behavior in general and I must therefore recommend
against recommending it.


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Re: [Talk-us] Best iOS app for GPS wander, GPX to laptop into OSM?

[Simon Poole]

Besides having all the issues Keypadmapper has squared, how do you
prevent IP leakage from google to OSM? For example do you know if it
employs any "lock on road" or similar technology?

Simon

Am 06.10.2015 um 17:47 schrieb Adam Franco:
> For trail surveys and other GPS recording on Android I've been very
> happy with Google's "My Tracks" app:
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.maps.mytracks=en
>
> It's pretty easy to use just hit "record", then allows the addition of
> markers & photos while recording -- though I have only used markers
> myself.
> After one is done recording, the track can be exported as a GPX file
> and then sent to a computer via USB/Bluetooth/Dropbox or any other
> transfer method enabled on your phone.
>
> I've also tried doing surveys with OsmAnd, but found that the
> recording was much less stable and would often get interrupted and
> need to be restarted -- quite frustrating.
>
> Adam
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Greg Troxel  > wrote:
>
>
> Marc Gemis >
> writes:
>
> > Keypadmapper can send the recorded data via email.
>
> Keep in mind that keypadmapper is spyware :-) In all seriousness, it
> uploads locations and cell ids to a public database whenever it's
> running.  If you're out explicitly doing mapping, that might be
> fine at
> times, but it's bad behavior in general and I must therefore recommend
> against recommending it.
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Re: [Talk-us] Best iOS app for GPS wander, GPX to laptop into OSM?

[Adam Franco]

As far as I can tell, MyTracks is a super-simple application that doesn't
seem like it would introduce any Google IP -- though maybe you or others
have better ideas of how such a thing might occur. I've never seen a track
snap to roads or trails (all of the GPX track-points seem to have the
standard GPS offset/errors introduced by terrain/poor-fix/etc) and it
doesn't do routing or provide any external data other than displaying
Google Maps/Satellite tiles as a display underlay when viewing the track in
the application.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> Besides having all the issues Keypadmapper has squared, how do you prevent
> IP leakage from google to OSM? For example do you know if it employs any
> "lock on road" or similar technology?
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 06.10.2015 um 17:47 schrieb Adam Franco:
>
> For trail surveys and other GPS recording on Android I've been very happy
> with Google's "My Tracks" app:
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.maps.mytracks=en
>
> It's pretty easy to use just hit "record", then allows the addition of
> markers & photos while recording -- though I have only used markers myself.
> After one is done recording, the track can be exported as a GPX file and
> then sent to a computer via USB/Bluetooth/Dropbox or any other transfer
> method enabled on your phone.
>
> I've also tried doing surveys with OsmAnd, but found that the recording
> was much less stable and would often get interrupted and need to be
> restarted -- quite frustrating.
>
> Adam
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Greg Troxel < 
> g...@ir.bbn.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Marc Gemis  writes:
>>
>> > Keypadmapper can send the recorded data via email.
>>
>> Keep in mind that keypadmapper is spyware :-) In all seriousness, it
>> uploads locations and cell ids to a public database whenever it's
>> running.  If you're out explicitly doing mapping, that might be fine at
>> times, but it's bad behavior in general and I must therefore recommend
>> against recommending it.
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On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> Besides having all the issues Keypadmapper has squared, how do you prevent
> IP leakage from google to OSM? For example do you know if it employs any
> "lock on road" or similar technology?
>
> Simon
>
>
> Am 06.10.2015 um 17:47 schrieb Adam Franco:
>
> For trail surveys and other GPS recording on Android I've been very happy
> with Google's "My Tracks" app:
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.maps.mytracks=en
>
> It's pretty easy to use just hit "record", then allows the addition of
> markers & photos while recording -- though I have only used markers myself.
> After one is done recording, the track can be exported as a GPX file and
> then sent to a computer via USB/Bluetooth/Dropbox or any other transfer
> method enabled on your phone.
>
> I've also tried doing surveys with OsmAnd, but found that the recording
> was much less stable and would often get interrupted and need to be
> restarted -- quite frustrating.
>
> Adam
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Greg Troxel < 
> g...@ir.bbn.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Marc Gemis  writes:
>>
>> > Keypadmapper can send the recorded data via email.
>>
>> Keep in mind that keypadmapper is spyware :-) In all seriousness, it
>> uploads locations and cell ids to a public database whenever it's
>> running.  If you're out explicitly doing mapping, that might be fine at
>> times, but it's bad behavior in general and I must therefore recommend
>> against recommending it.
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Re: [Talk-us] Best iOS app for GPS wander, GPX to laptop into OSM?

[stevea]

TC Haddad writes:

Also look at GoMap! It's the best iOS editor I've used...


I agree that GoMap! is a top iOS editor.  I'm specifically looking 
for a path, a method:  data collected (from the GPS on an iOS device, 
like a iPhone) and then uploaded (USB cable, WiFi, Bluetooth...) to a 
laptop.  The idea is to edit on a laptop using iD or JOSM, as editing 
on the tiny screen of a smartphone, while possible, doesn't seem like 
the nicest way to be introduced to OSM and mapping when we have 
bigger screens and a decent entry-level friendly editor like iD. 
Mapping Party, beginners, right?


Thanks for feedback,
SteveA

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Re: [Talk-us] Best iOS app for GPS wander, GPX to laptop into OSM?

[Marc Gemis]

I've tried OsmAnd, OSMTracker and KeypadMapper 3.

The latter two do not show a map.
The first one does.

Still prefer a dedicated GPS-device, in my case a Garmin 10 + photo camera.
Reasons:

* I can take more pictures and faster with the camera. All the smartphone
apps requires to many clicks and my phone is not fast enough
* Both the GPS-device and camera are around my neck. Need because I walk
3-4 dogs while surveying. But I'm planning to buy a smartphone case +
lanyard to "simulate" this.
* I can operate the GPS device and camera with 1 hand. I have problems to
do that with the smartphone.
* my way of creating waypoints on the GPS device is still faster than
KeypadMapper 3 in most cases (for house numbers)

Drawback
* need to take "sync" picture at the start. create waypoint + photo
* need cable to transfer GPX-track
* need software to fix the time difference between pictures and GPS track.

Still those drawbacks outweighs the convenience of the dedicated devices
for surveying.

just my .5 cents

regards

m

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 2:38 AM, stevea  wrote:

> Looking at Strava, Galileo, Sygic, MAPS.ME and Cyclemeter GPS now.
> SteveA
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Re: [Talk-us] Best iOS app for GPS wander, GPX to laptop into OSM?

[stevea]

Marc Gemis writes:

I've tried OsmAnd, OSMTracker and KeypadMapper 3.

(and more).

Thank you, Marc!  I "prefer" (as it's familiar, though maybe old 
school) a dedicated GPS and a USB cable, too.  But then there ARE 
smartphones enabled with GPS, and they CAN and SHOULD do this sort of 
"capture and squirt" (GPX data at OSM) the way I'm discussing.  Just 
finding the right app (iOS and Android) to do it is all.  Wireless 
(Bluetooth?) would be very neat, and GPX seems like the right data 
format to act as a data format vehicle.  Yes, and not too darn many 
tap-tap-taps on that tiny screen!  The phone is the data capture (and 
squirt it) device, the laptop (and iD in a web browser) are the 
editing environment.  Let's connect these (wirelessly).


SteveA
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[stevea]

Looking at Strava, Galileo, Sygic, MAPS.ME and Cyclemeter GPS now.
SteveA

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