Re: To stand, or not??
Hey! I totally agree about the tuner on the headstock... It just looks bad in my opinion. /Jonas 6 jul 2009 kl. 23.36 skrev Dasspunk: Though it depends on the situation... I think I would lean toward the following: If you're standing, ditch the stand; if you're sitting, stand. Ol' 8 eyes has some very nice, old-school, fancy stands that I dig. If I had one (and I'd like one), I'd use it for sitting gigs. I dig the mood it sets. If that seems like too reasonable of a position, feel free to put me down in ink for not being a fan of leaving the tuner on your headstock when you play :) That's a big pet peeve of mine. Then again, my mandolins are orange... Brian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: To stand, or not??
Me too. On Jul 7, 8:00 pm, Jonas Mattebo jonas.matt...@gmail.com wrote: Hey! I totally agree about the tuner on the headstock... It just looks bad in my opinion. /Jonas 6 jul 2009 kl. 23.36 skrev Dasspunk: Though it depends on the situation... I think I would lean toward the following: If you're standing, ditch the stand; if you're sitting, stand. Ol' 8 eyes has some very nice, old-school, fancy stands that I dig. If I had one (and I'd like one), I'd use it for sitting gigs. I dig the mood it sets. If that seems like too reasonable of a position, feel free to put me down in ink for not being a fan of leaving the tuner on your headstock when you play :) That's a big pet peeve of mine. Then again, my mandolins are orange... Brian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: To stand, or not??
Yes indeed. Take the damned tuner off the damned headstock and don't replace it with a damned tuner that sticks on the damned front of your damned instrument. Re: headset monitors...I can see no reason why a bluegrass/string band would need them unless working a large venue. Playing with two ear monitors is like trying to stand inside a 55 gallon drum and blend. Hartford used to play with no monitors. For the entire time I worked with him, he NEVER used monitors. He'd even make the sound men remove the monitors from the stage or he wouldn't play. He said it was important for people to see the band from their shoes up. Really, it got to where we just played to what we heard coming back from the house (delay and all...G). Bugs On Jul 7, 5:00 am, Jonas Mattebo jonas.matt...@gmail.com wrote: Hey! I totally agree about the tuner on the headstock... It just looks bad in my opinion. /Jonas 6 jul 2009 kl. 23.36 skrev Dasspunk: Though it depends on the situation... I think I would lean toward the following: If you're standing, ditch the stand; if you're sitting, stand. Ol' 8 eyes has some very nice, old-school, fancy stands that I dig. If I had one (and I'd like one), I'd use it for sitting gigs. I dig the mood it sets. If that seems like too reasonable of a position, feel free to put me down in ink for not being a fan of leaving the tuner on your headstock when you play :) That's a big pet peeve of mine. Then again, my mandolins are orange... Brian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: To stand, or not??
Please tater, tell us how you really feel about the tuners...don't hold backlol. --- On Tue, 7/7/09, mistertaterbug taterbugmu...@gmail.com wrote: From: mistertaterbug taterbugmu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: To stand, or not?? To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 12:09 PM Yes indeed. Take the damned tuner off the damned headstock and don't replace it with a damned tuner that sticks on the damned front of your damned instrument. Re: headset monitors...I can see no reason why a bluegrass/string band would need them unless working a large venue. Playing with two ear monitors is like trying to stand inside a 55 gallon drum and blend. Hartford used to play with no monitors. For the entire time I worked with him, he NEVER used monitors. He'd even make the sound men remove the monitors from the stage or he wouldn't play. He said it was important for people to see the band from their shoes up. Really, it got to where we just played to what we heard coming back from the house (delay and all...G). Bugs On Jul 7, 5:00 am, Jonas Mattebo jonas.matt...@gmail.com wrote: Hey! I totally agree about the tuner on the headstock... It just looks bad in my opinion. /Jonas 6 jul 2009 kl. 23.36 skrev Dasspunk: Though it depends on the situation... I think I would lean toward the following: If you're standing, ditch the stand; if you're sitting, stand. Ol' 8 eyes has some very nice, old-school, fancy stands that I dig. If I had one (and I'd like one), I'd use it for sitting gigs. I dig the mood it sets. If that seems like too reasonable of a position, feel free to put me down in ink for not being a fan of leaving the tuner on your headstock when you play :) That's a big pet peeve of mine. Then again, my mandolins are orange... Brian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: To stand, or not??
As an extreme alternative, one could have surgery to help this situation. Recently I read about a guy who loved his work so much that he had a USB drive implanted to his hand after an accident http://apcmag.com/Content.aspx?id=3669 There are so many possibilities for tuners. Practical. Freaky. Smart. Delusional. Funny. Stupid. On Jul 8, 7:02 am, Robin Gravina robin.grav...@gmail.com wrote: I don't like the tuna on, but if the tuning goes off during the gig, then a quick check is a good thing, but I don't really want to know if one of the strings goes a little off - just if it bothers me. I was desperate for monitors until recently, when the house sound was good and we finally had a monitor - the mando sounded like a bag of tools being dumped on the floor and I couldn't hear the bass strings of the guitar enough to play happily, although apparently all was well on the audience side. I think a lot of this stuff comes from using electric rules for acoustic music, as the superb post about doing sound said a while ago. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Topher Gayle surfns...@gmail.com wrote: Ideally, I like to have the tuner close to hand, but not on the headstock. But if there isn't anywhere good to put it, I'll leave it on. This isn't for prettiness. The things rattle. Now there are places where it's so noisy you'll never hear the rattle. For examples: The pizza place. It can be so noisy there that without monitors I can't hear myself, much less the fiddle player standing 6 feet away. Likewise at many contra dances, when the dancers are stomping (after the beat, usually, thanks to the speed of sound) and the caller is calling, and we're playing in a really echoic gym, monitors are the difference between playing and not playing. When the sound is perfect and the audience attentive, yes I really want the tuner off, if possible. That's not usual, for me. Topher On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:48 AM, mandoho...@comcast.net wrote: There was a time when I could tune all my instruments by ear, just pull an A out of the air and tune to that. Well, 4 years of riding in helicopters with no doors, 6 years as a Blacksmith and twenty years operating heavy equipment I don't hear the overtones anymore, I need my tuner, on the headstock, all the time, it's the lesser of two evils. Clyde Clevenger Just My Opinion, But It's Right Salem, Oregon Old Circle http://www.myspace.com/oldcircle - Original Message - From: Mike Hedding michaelhedd...@gmail.com To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 10:02:05 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: To stand, or not?? As I was recently seen in a compromising photo on the front page of a Wisconsin paper with my tuner on my headstock I feel the need to come out and say what's the big deal? For me it's not ideal I'll give you that but it's the lesser of two evils, to me it looks even more silly to be reaching in to my pocket and fiddling around after and many times during the middle of the songs. Granted, maybe I need to lighten my touch a little on the strings but hey I just want to be noticed I guess. Hopefully I'll just be able to tune by ear someday and everyone will be better off. Mike- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: To stand, or not??
Some years ago, '96. or so, I saw Tater play with the Sullivans in Portland, Or. Lucky for me, I was in the center of the front row, I could hear the mandolin just fine. However, seems the monitors were so hot on the mandolin that Mike was staying two feet away from the mic, backing off and he still thought he was too loud. Well, nothing was coming out in the house from the mando, lot's of banjo and Sullivans, no Mike. The main reason I like a single mic and no monitors, takes the sound man out of the mix, more than half the time a good thing. I've learned how to EQ for a single mic and convince the sound man to leave it alone if he wants to live. Clyde Clevenger Just My Opinion, But It's Right Salem, Oregon Old Circle - Original Message - From: Robin Gravina robin.grav...@gmail.com To: taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 2:02:59 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: To stand, or not?? I don't like the tuna on, but if the tuning goes off during the gig, then a quick check is a good thing, but I don't really want to know if one of the strings goes a little off - just if it bothers me. I was desperate for monitors until recently, when the house sound was good and we finally had a monitor - the mando sounded like a bag of tools being dumped on the floor and I couldn't hear the bass strings of the guitar enough to play happily, although apparently all was well on the audience side. I think a lot of this stuff comes from using electric rules for acoustic music, as the superb post about doing sound said a while ago. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Topher Gayle surfns...@gmail.com wrote: Ideally, I like to have the tuner close to hand, but not on the headstock. But if there isn't anywhere good to put it, I'll leave it on. This isn't for prettiness. The things rattle. Now there are places where it's so noisy you'll never hear the rattle. For examples: The pizza place. It can be so noisy there that without monitors I can't hear myself, much less the fiddle player standing 6 feet away. Likewise at many contra dances, when the dancers are stomping (after the beat, usually, thanks to the speed of sound) and the caller is calling, and we're playing in a really echoic gym, monitors are the difference between playing and not playing. When the sound is perfect and the audience attentive, yes I really want the tuner off, if possible. That's not usual, for me. Topher On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:48 AM, mandoho...@comcast.net wrote: There was a time when I could tune all my instruments by ear, just pull an A out of the air and tune to that. Well, 4 years of riding in helicopters with no doors, 6 years as a Blacksmith and twenty years operating heavy equipment I don't hear the overtones anymore, I need my tuner, on the headstock, all the time, it's the lesser of two evils. Clyde Clevenger Just My Opinion, But It's Right Salem, Oregon Old Circle - Original Message - From: Mike Hedding michaelhedd...@gmail.com To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 10:02:05 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: To stand, or not?? As I was recently seen in a compromising photo on the front page of a Wisconsin paper with my tuner on my headstock I feel the need to come out and say what's the big deal? For me it's not ideal I'll give you that but it's the lesser of two evils, to me it looks even more silly to be reaching in to my pocket and fiddling around after and many times during the middle of the songs. Granted, maybe I need to lighten my touch a little on the strings but hey I just want to be noticed I guess. Hopefully I'll just be able to tune by ear someday and everyone will be better off. Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: To stand, or not??
Re: tuners---I don't mind seeing them on other's instruments, but I broke my intellitouch when it flew off my headstock, off the stage, onto the floor. I think I wore out the clip by keeping it on my mic stand and so I kept it on the headstock. Whoops. I keep my monitors as minimal as possible, but I find I gotta have the bass or it just don't work for me. In-ears: Ugh. I like Mike's 55-gal. drum comparison, but I found it more like wearing a helmet or something. Just hate not hearing the crowd. People will yell something and I'd yell what? Listening to a Hartford show from '96, hard to believe there's no monitors there. erik On Jul 7, 5:32 pm, mandoho...@comcast.net wrote: Some years ago, '96. or so, I saw Tater play with the Sullivans in Portland, Or. Lucky for me, I was in the center of the front row, I could hear the mandolin just fine. However, seems the monitors were so hot on the mandolin that Mike was staying two feet away from the mic, backing off and he still thought he was too loud. Well, nothing was coming out in the house from the mando, lot's of banjo and Sullivans, no Mike. The main reason I like a single mic and no monitors, takes the sound man out of the mix, more than half the time a good thing. I've learned how to EQ for a single mic and convince the sound man to leave it alone if he wants to live. Clyde Clevenger Just My Opinion, But It's Right Salem, Oregon Old Circle - Original Message - From: Robin Gravina robin.grav...@gmail.com To: taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 2:02:59 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: To stand, or not?? I don't like the tuna on, but if the tuning goes off during the gig, then a quick check is a good thing, but I don't really want to know if one of the strings goes a little off - just if it bothers me. I was desperate for monitors until recently, when the house sound was good and we finally had a monitor - the mando sounded like a bag of tools being dumped on the floor and I couldn't hear the bass strings of the guitar enough to play happily, although apparently all was well on the audience side. I think a lot of this stuff comes from using electric rules for acoustic music, as the superb post about doing sound said a while ago. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Topher Gayle surfns...@gmail.com wrote: Ideally, I like to have the tuner close to hand, but not on the headstock. But if there isn't anywhere good to put it, I'll leave it on. This isn't for prettiness. The things rattle. Now there are places where it's so noisy you'll never hear the rattle. For examples: The pizza place. It can be so noisy there that without monitors I can't hear myself, much less the fiddle player standing 6 feet away. Likewise at many contra dances, when the dancers are stomping (after the beat, usually, thanks to the speed of sound) and the caller is calling, and we're playing in a really echoic gym, monitors are the difference between playing and not playing. When the sound is perfect and the audience attentive, yes I really want the tuner off, if possible. That's not usual, for me. Topher On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:48 AM, mandoho...@comcast.net wrote: There was a time when I could tune all my instruments by ear, just pull an A out of the air and tune to that. Well, 4 years of riding in helicopters with no doors, 6 years as a Blacksmith and twenty years operating heavy equipment I don't hear the overtones anymore, I need my tuner, on the headstock, all the time, it's the lesser of two evils. Clyde Clevenger Just My Opinion, But It's Right Salem, Oregon Old Circle - Original Message - From: Mike Hedding michaelhedd...@gmail.com To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 10:02:05 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: To stand, or not?? As I was recently seen in a compromising photo on the front page of a Wisconsin paper with my tuner on my headstock I feel the need to come out and say what's the big deal? For me it's not ideal I'll give you that but it's the lesser of two evils, to me it looks even more silly to be reaching in to my pocket and fiddling around after and many times during the middle of the songs. Granted, maybe I need to lighten my touch a little on the strings but hey I just want to be noticed I guess. Hopefully I'll just be able to tune by ear someday and everyone will be better off. Mike- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: To stand, or not??
Does leaving the turner clamped on have some marginal impact on tone? I must be hallucinating, but it makes me feel like somebody has a thumb and forefinger around the end of my mandolin. I confess to seeing some videos from a mando fest where everybody had one of those little square Intellis, and of course I thought I wouldn't be cool unless I purchased my very own. I did, but I don't like to leave it on. As for stands, I'm a proponent of a wooden bar stool holding up a set list and a beer pushed over out of the way. I play in an Irish band with some classical players, and they'd cut out their hearts before they'd do a job without a music stand. Everybody has their secret kinks, I guess. As for monitors, they're like crack cocaine. Better to do without them, but once you let the sound man turn them on, there's no turning back. I can't imagine what in-ear monitors would be like. Isn't that what did Michael Jackson in? (Just kidding, Don.) To be honest, I looked at buying an in-ear rig a few months back, but we don't do any really noisy venues. I just figured it would be easier to not book bars and avoid having to set up and break down the equipment. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: To stand, or not??
...@gmail.com wrote: The sheet flat on the stage for prompting purposes is a good tip for songs that have lyrics that are easy to screw up, but it seems like learning the words is a fairly early and necessary step along the way to getting on top of a song, getting it performance ready. I too have failing-memory issues at times, but going over problem words immediately before a gig seems to work, and I'm much happier not having to try to read something while on stage...particularly since the advent of trifocals, which do really disturbing things to lines of type, especially at critical moments. I do better with my aging memory. On Jul 2, 1:42 pm, Pat Murphree phreem...@comcast.net wrote: Our band chose the name The Foggy Memory Boys so we can get away with things like forgotten lyrics and other screw-ups. It also excuses the use of stands. Murph - Original Message - From: The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.au To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:58:00 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: To stand, or not?? Thought I might throw this out there. The new group I’m in is having a little trouble remembering lyrics to our tunes at this stage, and we’ve got a performance on Sat night. Because we’re only doing up to six tunes, I suggested we shouldn’t have a music stand in sight. I think it looks more professional not to have a stand and you should know your music. Right or not so? Perhaps if we were doing several sets it might be a different story. I noticed a photo of EC and Co. on his recent tour with music stands on stage. It’s obviously acceptable to do this and I wonder if that was for a full show which is what it looked like. Any opinion or rule of thumb you guys go by? HK- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: To stand, or not??
doing - seems like there are a lot of creative people here, and that people are applying their mandolin to some different styles. How about it? Robin On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Val Mindel vmin...@gmail.com wrote: The sheet flat on the stage for prompting purposes is a good tip for songs that have lyrics that are easy to screw up, but it seems like learning the words is a fairly early and necessary step along the way to getting on top of a song, getting it performance ready. I too have failing-memory issues at times, but going over problem words immediately before a gig seems to work, and I'm much happier not having to try to read something while on stage...particularly since the advent of trifocals, which do really disturbing things to lines of type, especially at critical moments. I do better with my aging memory. On Jul 2, 1:42 pm, Pat Murphree phreem...@comcast.net wrote: Our band chose the name The Foggy Memory Boys so we can get away with things like forgotten lyrics and other screw-ups. It also excuses the use of stands. Murph - Original Message - From: The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.au To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:58:00 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: To stand, or not?? Thought I might throw this out there. The new group I’m in is having a little trouble remembering lyrics to our tunes at this stage, and we’ve got a performance on Sat night. Because we’re only doing up to six tunes, I suggested we shouldn’t have a music stand in sight. I think it looks more professional not to have a stand and you should know your music. Right or not so? Perhaps if we were doing several sets it might be a different story. I noticed a photo of EC and Co. on his recent tour with music stands on stage. It’s obviously acceptable to do this and I wonder if that was for a full show which is what it looked like. Any opinion or rule of thumb you guys go by? HK- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: To stand, or not??
wrote: The Foggy Memory Boysgreat name, great concept...sure would love to see one of your ...efforts, sounds like lots of fun for all. On Jul 3, 5:24 pm, Robin Gravina robin.grav...@gmail.com wrote: It seems as if a lot of Tater folk have a band going - why don't we share songs videos and so on? I'd be interested to hear what everyone's doing - seems like there are a lot of creative people here, and that people are applying their mandolin to some different styles. How about it? Robin On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Val Mindel vmin...@gmail.com wrote: The sheet flat on the stage for prompting purposes is a good tip for songs that have lyrics that are easy to screw up, but it seems like learning the words is a fairly early and necessary step along the way to getting on top of a song, getting it performance ready. I too have failing-memory issues at times, but going over problem words immediately before a gig seems to work, and I'm much happier not having to try to read something while on stage...particularly since the advent of trifocals, which do really disturbing things to lines of type, especially at critical moments. I do better with my aging memory. On Jul 2, 1:42 pm, Pat Murphree phreem...@comcast.net wrote: Our band chose the name The Foggy Memory Boys so we can get away with things like forgotten lyrics and other screw-ups. It also excuses the use of stands. Murph - Original Message - From: The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.au To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:58:00 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: To stand, or not?? Thought I might throw this out there. The new group I’m in is having a little trouble remembering lyrics to our tunes at this stage, and we’ve got a performance on Sat night. Because we’re only doing up to six tunes, I suggested we shouldn’t have a music stand in sight. I think it looks more professional not to have a stand and you should know your music. Right or not so? Perhaps if we were doing several sets it might be a different story. I noticed a photo of EC and Co. on his recent tour with music stands on stage. It’s obviously acceptable to do this and I wonder if that was for a full show which is what it looked like. Any opinion or rule of thumb you guys go by? HK- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: To stand, or not??
rehearsing without paper and then started singing in the shower and in the car, which did the trick. I started to imagine the plot to the story and Bingo. But my poor family :-) Chef, that RS link sums it all up . . . . now what was I sayin' . . . . HK On Jul 3, 10:03 pm, ljt lj...@intas.net.au wrote: The Foggy Memory Boysgreat name, great concept...sure would love to see one of your ...efforts, sounds like lots of fun for all. On Jul 3, 5:24 pm, Robin Gravina robin.grav...@gmail.com wrote: It seems as if a lot of Tater folk have a band going - why don't we share songs videos and so on? I'd be interested to hear what everyone's doing - seems like there are a lot of creative people here, and that people are applying their mandolin to some different styles. How about it? Robin On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Val Mindel vmin...@gmail.com wrote: The sheet flat on the stage for prompting purposes is a good tip for songs that have lyrics that are easy to screw up, but it seems like learning the words is a fairly early and necessary step along the way to getting on top of a song, getting it performance ready. I too have failing-memory issues at times, but going over problem words immediately before a gig seems to work, and I'm much happier not having to try to read something while on stage...particularly since the advent of trifocals, which do really disturbing things to lines of type, especially at critical moments. I do better with my aging memory. On Jul 2, 1:42 pm, Pat Murphree phreem...@comcast.net wrote: Our band chose the name The Foggy Memory Boys so we can get away with things like forgotten lyrics and other screw-ups. It also excuses the use of stands. Murph - Original Message - From: The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.au To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:58:00 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: To stand, or not?? Thought I might throw this out there. The new group I’m in is having a little trouble remembering lyrics to our tunes at this stage, and we’ve got a performance on Sat night. Because we’re only doing up to six tunes, I suggested we shouldn’t have a music stand in sight. I think it looks more professional not to have a stand and you should know your music. Right or not so? Perhaps if we were doing several sets it might be a different story. I noticed a photo of EC and Co. on his recent tour with music stands on stage. It’s obviously acceptable to do this and I wonder if that was for a full show which is what it looked like. Any opinion or rule of thumb you guys go by? HK- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: To stand, or not??
Holstein, I've worked with a number of people who use music stands in some capacity or the other. Laying papers on the floor is not really an attractive option if after every song the band is all staring down at the floor for the next song(and considering the age of most everyone I work with, squinting and an audible what's that say next?)and is not necessarily the best solution. Yea, the EC tour has music stands until everyone remembers what's next. Of course, there is no shortage of bands using music stands, just not much of it in string bands, eh? Hartford used a stand, either a regular music stand or a small stand that more resembled a tray that clipped to the mic stand. The trick for Hartford was to turn the stand nearly flat so that he could look down on it without it showing so much. In other words, the stand lies nearly flat so that the only thing that really shows is the shelf/lip the material sits on. The presence of the stand can be played down a lot and it becomes nearly invisible if the overall presentation does not include fumbling around with the stand but in lively presentation of the material at hand. Sure, it's better to know the material by heart so that it can just be belted out, but I don't think anyone is going to crucify you if you use and extra piece of equipment to get through the gig. You might try finding one of those old snazzy music stands like the brass bands used with your band logo on it. I've used one with David Long quite a bit and it becomes part of the whole presentation/look. Do what you have to, boss. Taterboy On Jul 6, 5:32 am, The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.au wrote: Hey Robin, Recycling...that sounds like practice :-) I like it. Cheers from chilly Sydney...Holstein On Jul 6, 5:27 pm, Robin Gravina robin.grav...@gmail.com wrote: On a slightly more serious note than the fish scheme, I think that remembering songs takes a different approach from many learning tasks, particularly if you are all singing harmony and are not free to change any words as you go along and the spirit hits you. For learning most things, it's enough to get the basic concepts and understand them and you can use memory tags to help you, but with a song you have to get it absolutely perfect and with no time to think about it. That means that techniques like mind mapping and so on are not really appropriate, unless you are trying to learn the overall structure of something like a story song, rather than the detailed words. Everyone has their method, but I think ultimately you have to sit down and learn each line and verse with a piece of paper - read, recite and test yourself with the paper turned over, then when you practice with your friends really notice where you are not sure and learn it again. Memory works in cycles, so it does help to learn something, then to go back to it a couple of hours later, the following morning, two days time and so on: there is a process whereby material goes from short term to medium and long term memory and you can speed it up by recycling. Best On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:43 AM, The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.auwrote: Morning All, We had our performance on Sat night and I did two short brackets with different teams. The first stint was a blast and my accompaniment needed no music so we ripped through it without a hitch. The second stint was with a different guitar and a fiddle and the guitarist had his lyrics on the floor. In the tune that he sang he was not pitching too well. I believe he was so worried about reading the words that his mind wasn’t where it should’ve been, but that’s the way it goes, it was still fun but a more inhibited effort on his part. Better next time. We played a few traditional tunes and several Louvin numbers which have harmonies. I found that a lot of the groups had good pickers but weak vocals. The jam is once a month so we aim to learn new tunes for each performance until the number steadily grows. It was interesting to see that most other groups had music stands and it seemed to be the norm. Out of interest, I read about How To Improve Your Memory and they talk about Goal Setting, Mind Mapping, Mind Mechanics and so on. I wonder if there are any school teachers that are in this group, and are there any special techniques to apply to music? I’m pretty hopeless with names on first encounter because I take in the description and features of a person, always forgetting the seemingly most important thing, the name! When I make a conscious effort to remember their name, attribute something to it, it works…but I usually forget to do this, it’s not a habit. How ironic. I better start using my Mind Tools better. H On Jul 4, 12:20 am, Robin Gravina robin.grav...@gmail.com wrote: I have to tell you all that our guitarist invented a new mnemnonic technique based on using
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Val, Just got trifocalsHELP. Putater On Jul 2, 7:52 pm, Val Mindel vmin...@gmail.com wrote: The sheet flat on the stage for prompting purposes is a good tip for songs that have lyrics that are easy to screw up, but it seems like learning the words is a fairly early and necessary step along the way to getting on top of a song, getting it performance ready. I too have failing-memory issues at times, but going over problem words immediately before a gig seems to work, and I'm much happier not having to try to read something while on stage...particularly since the advent of trifocals, which do really disturbing things to lines of type, especially at critical moments. I do better with my aging memory. On Jul 2, 1:42 pm, Pat Murphree phreem...@comcast.net wrote: Our band chose the name The Foggy Memory Boys so we can get away with things like forgotten lyrics and other screw-ups. It also excuses the use of stands. Murph - Original Message - From: The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.au To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:58:00 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: To stand, or not?? Thought I might throw this out there. The new group I’m in is having a little trouble remembering lyrics to our tunes at this stage, and we’ve got a performance on Sat night. Because we’re only doing up to six tunes, I suggested we shouldn’t have a music stand in sight. I think it looks more professional not to have a stand and you should know your music. Right or not so? Perhaps if we were doing several sets it might be a different story. I noticed a photo of EC and Co. on his recent tour with music stands on stage. It’s obviously acceptable to do this and I wonder if that was for a full show which is what it looked like. Any opinion or rule of thumb you guys go by? HK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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A guy I work with recently got some of those and looks for all the world to have developed the palsy in his neck. I gather it's tough to decide which lens to look through. From: mistertaterbug taterbugmu...@gmail.com To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 6, 2009 3:05:59 PM Subject: Re: To stand, or not?? Val, Just got trifocalsHELP. Putater On Jul 2, 7:52 pm, Val Mindel vmin...@gmail.com wrote: The sheet flat on the stage for prompting purposes is a good tip for songs that have lyrics that are easy to screw up, but it seems like learning the words is a fairly early and necessary step along the way to getting on top of a song, getting it performance ready. I too have failing-memory issues at times, but going over problem words immediately before a gig seems to work, and I'm much happier not having to try to read something while on stage...particularly since the advent of trifocals, which do really disturbing things to lines of type, especially at critical moments. I do better with my aging memory. On Jul 2, 1:42 pm, Pat Murphree phreem...@comcast.net wrote: Our band chose the name The Foggy Memory Boys so we can get away with things like forgotten lyrics and other screw-ups. It also excuses the use of stands. Murph - Original Message - From: The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.au To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:58:00 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: To stand, or not?? Thought I might throw this out there. The new group I’m in is having a little trouble remembering lyrics to our tunes at this stage, and we’ve got a performance on Sat night. Because we’re only doing up to six tunes, I suggested we shouldn’t have a music stand in sight. I think it looks more professional not to have a stand and you should know your music. Right or not so? Perhaps if we were doing several sets it might be a different story. I noticed a photo of EC and Co. on his recent tour with music stands on stage. It’s obviously acceptable to do this and I wonder if that was for a full show which is what it looked like. Any opinion or rule of thumb you guys go by? HK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Well I've just been reading Richard Dawkins and how the eye has evolved 20 times independently. Shame that in our species it didn't do a very good job- perhaps I should look into some squid genes: I'm sick of this business of being forty something. Let's get a collective 20 year refund - I think the tatergroup should have some clout where it counts.. On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Steve Cantrell sec...@bellsouth.net wrote: A guy I work with recently got some of those and looks for all the world to have developed the palsy in his neck. I gather it's tough to decide which lens to look through. -- *From:* mistertaterbug taterbugmu...@gmail.com *To:* Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Monday, July 6, 2009 3:05:59 PM *Subject:* Re: To stand, or not?? Val, Just got trifocalsHELP. Putater On Jul 2, 7:52 pm, Val Mindel vmin...@gmail.com wrote: The sheet flat on the stage for prompting purposes is a good tip for songs that have lyrics that are easy to screw up, but it seems like learning the words is a fairly early and necessary step along the way to getting on top of a song, getting it performance ready. I too have failing-memory issues at times, but going over problem words immediately before a gig seems to work, and I'm much happier not having to try to read something while on stage...particularly since the advent of trifocals, which do really disturbing things to lines of type, especially at critical moments. I do better with my aging memory. On Jul 2, 1:42 pm, Pat Murphree phreem...@comcast.net wrote: Our band chose the name The Foggy Memory Boys so we can get away with things like forgotten lyrics and other screw-ups. It also excuses the use of stands. Murph - Original Message - From: The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.au To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:58:00 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: To stand, or not?? Thought I might throw this out there. The new group I’m in is having a little trouble remembering lyrics to our tunes at this stage, and we’ve got a performance on Sat night. Because we’re only doing up to six tunes, I suggested we shouldn’t have a music stand in sight. I think it looks more professional not to have a stand and you should know your music. Right or not so? Perhaps if we were doing several sets it might be a different story. I noticed a photo of EC and Co. on his recent tour with music stands on stage. It’s obviously acceptable to do this and I wonder if that was for a full show which is what it looked like. Any opinion or rule of thumb you guys go by? HK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Morning All, We had our performance on Sat night and I did two short brackets with different teams. The first stint was a blast and my accompaniment needed no music so we ripped through it without a hitch. The second stint was with a different guitar and a fiddle and the guitarist had his lyrics on the floor. In the tune that he sang he was not pitching too well. I believe he was so worried about reading the words that his mind wasn’t where it should’ve been, but that’s the way it goes, it was still fun but a more inhibited effort on his part. Better next time. We played a few traditional tunes and several Louvin numbers which have harmonies. I found that a lot of the groups had good pickers but weak vocals. The jam is once a month so we aim to learn new tunes for each performance until the number steadily grows. It was interesting to see that most other groups had music stands and it seemed to be the norm. Out of interest, I read about How To Improve Your Memory and they talk about Goal Setting, Mind Mapping, Mind Mechanics and so on. I wonder if there are any school teachers that are in this group, and are there any special techniques to apply to music? I’m pretty hopeless with names on first encounter because I take in the description and features of a person, always forgetting the seemingly most important thing, the name! When I make a conscious effort to remember their name, attribute something to it, it works…but I usually forget to do this, it’s not a habit. How ironic. I better start using my Mind Tools better. H On Jul 4, 12:20 am, Robin Gravina robin.grav...@gmail.com wrote: I have to tell you all that our guitarist invented a new mnemnonic technique based on using fish to remember the order of the verses: for example 'two dollar bill': *L*obster (Lost all my money..) *C*od (Cloudy in the west..) *D*ogfish (Dark and it's raining..) *H*ake (Homesick and lonesome...) *B*ass (Black smoke a rising..) My question is whether he should be institutionalised, or whether some kind of medication would sort him out... On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:11 PM, The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.auwrote: Thanks Everyone, terrific feedback. I hope my guitarist comes through tomorrow night, I'll keep y'all informed. There is a tune where I kept confusing the verses, and in Take Your Shoes Off Moses the Fiddle asked what the word Smite meant. After several comments, laughter, discussion etc, I then always remembered that word to be in the 2nd verse and it stuck like glue. I also used to be a bit lazy with I Don't Believe You've Met My Baby (Louvin) and after deciding to learn it properly, I began rehearsing without paper and then started singing in the shower and in the car, which did the trick. I started to imagine the plot to the story and Bingo. But my poor family :-) Chef, that RS link sums it all up . . . . now what was I sayin' . . . . HK On Jul 3, 10:03 pm, ljt lj...@intas.net.au wrote: The Foggy Memory Boysgreat name, great concept...sure would love to see one of your ...efforts, sounds like lots of fun for all. On Jul 3, 5:24 pm, Robin Gravina robin.grav...@gmail.com wrote: It seems as if a lot of Tater folk have a band going - why don't we share songs videos and so on? I'd be interested to hear what everyone's doing - seems like there are a lot of creative people here, and that people are applying their mandolin to some different styles. How about it? Robin On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Val Mindel vmin...@gmail.com wrote: The sheet flat on the stage for prompting purposes is a good tip for songs that have lyrics that are easy to screw up, but it seems like learning the words is a fairly early and necessary step along the way to getting on top of a song, getting it performance ready. I too have failing-memory issues at times, but going over problem words immediately before a gig seems to work, and I'm much happier not having to try to read something while on stage...particularly since the advent of trifocals, which do really disturbing things to lines of type, especially at critical moments. I do better with my aging memory. On Jul 2, 1:42 pm, Pat Murphree phreem...@comcast.net wrote: Our band chose the name The Foggy Memory Boys so we can get away with things like forgotten lyrics and other screw-ups. It also excuses the use of stands. Murph - Original Message - From: The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.au To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:58:00 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: To stand, or not?? Thought I might throw this out there. The new group I’m in is having a little trouble remembering lyrics to our tunes at this stage, and we’ve got a performance on Sat night. Because we’re only doing
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It seems as if a lot of Tater folk have a band going - why don't we share songs videos and so on? I'd be interested to hear what everyone's doing - seems like there are a lot of creative people here, and that people are applying their mandolin to some different styles. How about it? Robin On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Val Mindel vmin...@gmail.com wrote: The sheet flat on the stage for prompting purposes is a good tip for songs that have lyrics that are easy to screw up, but it seems like learning the words is a fairly early and necessary step along the way to getting on top of a song, getting it performance ready. I too have failing-memory issues at times, but going over problem words immediately before a gig seems to work, and I'm much happier not having to try to read something while on stage...particularly since the advent of trifocals, which do really disturbing things to lines of type, especially at critical moments. I do better with my aging memory. On Jul 2, 1:42 pm, Pat Murphree phreem...@comcast.net wrote: Our band chose the name The Foggy Memory Boys so we can get away with things like forgotten lyrics and other screw-ups. It also excuses the use of stands. Murph - Original Message - From: The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.au To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:58:00 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: To stand, or not?? Thought I might throw this out there. The new group I’m in is having a little trouble remembering lyrics to our tunes at this stage, and we’ve got a performance on Sat night. Because we’re only doing up to six tunes, I suggested we shouldn’t have a music stand in sight. I think it looks more professional not to have a stand and you should know your music. Right or not so? Perhaps if we were doing several sets it might be a different story. I noticed a photo of EC and Co. on his recent tour with music stands on stage. It’s obviously acceptable to do this and I wonder if that was for a full show which is what it looked like. Any opinion or rule of thumb you guys go by? HK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Holstein, I think in EC's case the lyrics are so many, so convoluted, so extenuated and complicated and he has so many songs in his rep, he would have to have something..to remember it all. In our community string band we use stands, however, we are an open group, we have folks at several levels and many of the members rely on the dots exclusively. At a given gig, we can have as few as 9 or as many as 23 or more. Still, the band does not claim to be anything except what it is. We can create a great wall of sound on a good day, playing mainly American Old-Time stuff. We don't have any current recordings, but there may be a You-Tube or two out there... Just recently we have decided to add more songs instead of mainly tunes, and we will be looking at these issues, re cheat sheets, stands, or no security blankets...just out there. Robin, I might be able to find some things ..will take a look, might get laughed off the tater site though in the community string band case. I am in two performing groups, the second one is a bit more dignified...leaning to a more classical, celtic folk thing with LOTS of fiddles, almost like a Fiddle Orchestra and some of us do use stands but are trying to wean off them. This group also has very capable leadership. With this second group for recording and performances, they put a mic right up to my mandolin, right in front of the sound hole, and I get so intimidated about the possibility of a clanger..happening that I pull back and freeze, hands all sweaty, etcbut am slowly getting used to it. Its the only thing to do.get over it. That is done by living through it and being as prepared as possible. We are going to do a video/demo recording next week. If I can stand to look at myself on it, I will send a link when its up. The tunes we play are in the main written by Tasmanians. Adam, that You-Tube link was touching...reminded me of something close to home here...that I am dealing with. It was brave..to agree to that sheet of paper, given all his experience, his life in music. It has to be a terrible thing to accept and then with courage and determination, to get on with things anyway. Thanks for posting it. On Jul 3, 5:24 pm, Robin Gravina robin.grav...@gmail.com wrote: It seems as if a lot of Tater folk have a band going - why don't we share songs videos and so on? I'd be interested to hear what everyone's doing - seems like there are a lot of creative people here, and that people are applying their mandolin to some different styles. How about it? Robin On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Val Mindel vmin...@gmail.com wrote: The sheet flat on the stage for prompting purposes is a good tip for songs that have lyrics that are easy to screw up, but it seems like learning the words is a fairly early and necessary step along the way to getting on top of a song, getting it performance ready. I too have failing-memory issues at times, but going over problem words immediately before a gig seems to work, and I'm much happier not having to try to read something while on stage...particularly since the advent of trifocals, which do really disturbing things to lines of type, especially at critical moments. I do better with my aging memory. On Jul 2, 1:42 pm, Pat Murphree phreem...@comcast.net wrote: Our band chose the name The Foggy Memory Boys so we can get away with things like forgotten lyrics and other screw-ups. It also excuses the use of stands. Murph - Original Message - From: The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.au To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:58:00 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: To stand, or not?? Thought I might throw this out there. The new group I’m in is having a little trouble remembering lyrics to our tunes at this stage, and we’ve got a performance on Sat night. Because we’re only doing up to six tunes, I suggested we shouldn’t have a music stand in sight. I think it looks more professional not to have a stand and you should know your music. Right or not so? Perhaps if we were doing several sets it might be a different story. I noticed a photo of EC and Co. on his recent tour with music stands on stage. It’s obviously acceptable to do this and I wonder if that was for a full show which is what it looked like. Any opinion or rule of thumb you guys go by? HK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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The Foggy Memory Boysgreat name, great concept...sure would love to see one of your ...efforts, sounds like lots of fun for all. On Jul 3, 5:24 pm, Robin Gravina robin.grav...@gmail.com wrote: It seems as if a lot of Tater folk have a band going - why don't we share songs videos and so on? I'd be interested to hear what everyone's doing - seems like there are a lot of creative people here, and that people are applying their mandolin to some different styles. How about it? Robin On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Val Mindel vmin...@gmail.com wrote: The sheet flat on the stage for prompting purposes is a good tip for songs that have lyrics that are easy to screw up, but it seems like learning the words is a fairly early and necessary step along the way to getting on top of a song, getting it performance ready. I too have failing-memory issues at times, but going over problem words immediately before a gig seems to work, and I'm much happier not having to try to read something while on stage...particularly since the advent of trifocals, which do really disturbing things to lines of type, especially at critical moments. I do better with my aging memory. On Jul 2, 1:42 pm, Pat Murphree phreem...@comcast.net wrote: Our band chose the name The Foggy Memory Boys so we can get away with things like forgotten lyrics and other screw-ups. It also excuses the use of stands. Murph - Original Message - From: The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.au To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:58:00 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: To stand, or not?? Thought I might throw this out there. The new group I’m in is having a little trouble remembering lyrics to our tunes at this stage, and we’ve got a performance on Sat night. Because we’re only doing up to six tunes, I suggested we shouldn’t have a music stand in sight. I think it looks more professional not to have a stand and you should know your music. Right or not so? Perhaps if we were doing several sets it might be a different story. I noticed a photo of EC and Co. on his recent tour with music stands on stage. It’s obviously acceptable to do this and I wonder if that was for a full show which is what it looked like. Any opinion or rule of thumb you guys go by? HK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Thanks Everyone, terrific feedback. I hope my guitarist comes through tomorrow night, I'll keep y'all informed. There is a tune where I kept confusing the verses, and in Take Your Shoes Off Moses the Fiddle asked what the word Smite meant. After several comments, laughter, discussion etc, I then always remembered that word to be in the 2nd verse and it stuck like glue. I also used to be a bit lazy with I Don't Believe You've Met My Baby (Louvin) and after deciding to learn it properly, I began rehearsing without paper and then started singing in the shower and in the car, which did the trick. I started to imagine the plot to the story and Bingo. But my poor family :-) Chef, that RS link sums it all up . . . . now what was I sayin' . . . . HK On Jul 3, 10:03 pm, ljt lj...@intas.net.au wrote: The Foggy Memory Boysgreat name, great concept...sure would love to see one of your ...efforts, sounds like lots of fun for all. On Jul 3, 5:24 pm, Robin Gravina robin.grav...@gmail.com wrote: It seems as if a lot of Tater folk have a band going - why don't we share songs videos and so on? I'd be interested to hear what everyone's doing - seems like there are a lot of creative people here, and that people are applying their mandolin to some different styles. How about it? Robin On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Val Mindel vmin...@gmail.com wrote: The sheet flat on the stage for prompting purposes is a good tip for songs that have lyrics that are easy to screw up, but it seems like learning the words is a fairly early and necessary step along the way to getting on top of a song, getting it performance ready. I too have failing-memory issues at times, but going over problem words immediately before a gig seems to work, and I'm much happier not having to try to read something while on stage...particularly since the advent of trifocals, which do really disturbing things to lines of type, especially at critical moments. I do better with my aging memory. On Jul 2, 1:42 pm, Pat Murphree phreem...@comcast.net wrote: Our band chose the name The Foggy Memory Boys so we can get away with things like forgotten lyrics and other screw-ups. It also excuses the use of stands. Murph - Original Message - From: The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.au To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:58:00 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: To stand, or not?? Thought I might throw this out there. The new group I’m in is having a little trouble remembering lyrics to our tunes at this stage, and we’ve got a performance on Sat night. Because we’re only doing up to six tunes, I suggested we shouldn’t have a music stand in sight. I think it looks more professional not to have a stand and you should know your music. Right or not so? Perhaps if we were doing several sets it might be a different story. I noticed a photo of EC and Co. on his recent tour with music stands on stage. It’s obviously acceptable to do this and I wonder if that was for a full show which is what it looked like. Any opinion or rule of thumb you guys go by? HK- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: To stand, or not??
I have to tell you all that our guitarist invented a new mnemnonic technique based on using fish to remember the order of the verses: for example 'two dollar bill': *L*obster (Lost all my money..) *C*od (Cloudy in the west..) *D*ogfish (Dark and it's raining..) *H*ake (Homesick and lonesome...) *B*ass (Black smoke a rising..) My question is whether he should be institutionalised, or whether some kind of medication would sort him out... On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:11 PM, The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.auwrote: Thanks Everyone, terrific feedback. I hope my guitarist comes through tomorrow night, I'll keep y'all informed. There is a tune where I kept confusing the verses, and in Take Your Shoes Off Moses the Fiddle asked what the word Smite meant. After several comments, laughter, discussion etc, I then always remembered that word to be in the 2nd verse and it stuck like glue. I also used to be a bit lazy with I Don't Believe You've Met My Baby (Louvin) and after deciding to learn it properly, I began rehearsing without paper and then started singing in the shower and in the car, which did the trick. I started to imagine the plot to the story and Bingo. But my poor family :-) Chef, that RS link sums it all up . . . . now what was I sayin' . . . . HK On Jul 3, 10:03 pm, ljt lj...@intas.net.au wrote: The Foggy Memory Boysgreat name, great concept...sure would love to see one of your ...efforts, sounds like lots of fun for all. On Jul 3, 5:24 pm, Robin Gravina robin.grav...@gmail.com wrote: It seems as if a lot of Tater folk have a band going - why don't we share songs videos and so on? I'd be interested to hear what everyone's doing - seems like there are a lot of creative people here, and that people are applying their mandolin to some different styles. How about it? Robin On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Val Mindel vmin...@gmail.com wrote: The sheet flat on the stage for prompting purposes is a good tip for songs that have lyrics that are easy to screw up, but it seems like learning the words is a fairly early and necessary step along the way to getting on top of a song, getting it performance ready. I too have failing-memory issues at times, but going over problem words immediately before a gig seems to work, and I'm much happier not having to try to read something while on stage...particularly since the advent of trifocals, which do really disturbing things to lines of type, especially at critical moments. I do better with my aging memory. On Jul 2, 1:42 pm, Pat Murphree phreem...@comcast.net wrote: Our band chose the name The Foggy Memory Boys so we can get away with things like forgotten lyrics and other screw-ups. It also excuses the use of stands. Murph - Original Message - From: The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.au To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:58:00 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: To stand, or not?? Thought I might throw this out there. The new group I’m in is having a little trouble remembering lyrics to our tunes at this stage, and we’ve got a performance on Sat night. Because we’re only doing up to six tunes, I suggested we shouldn’t have a music stand in sight. I think it looks more professional not to have a stand and you should know your music. Right or not so? Perhaps if we were doing several sets it might be a different story. I noticed a photo of EC and Co. on his recent tour with music stands on stage. It’s obviously acceptable to do this and I wonder if that was for a full show which is what it looked like. Any opinion or rule of thumb you guys go by? HK- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: To stand, or not??
Recently I put my hand up to sing the verses to Cluck Old Hen. (never done that before)..backed up by the the rest of a fairly large rabble of community string band members. Then I had to learn the lyrics, and I am nearing that stage when its a challenge to find my car keys and reading glasses some days, much less remember a whole set of verses and be able to remember them under the spotlights at a gig. I think I practiced the effort maybe 200 times over a couple of days..there are some tongue twisting aspects to those lyrics...too...so in the practice, I kept tripping up on the words..but all the work was worth it, I managed to remember it all and it was great to not have to use all that effort trying to read the words off a page. I used to rely on written music always, but find its not that hard to learn things if one simply decides to. To remember the lyrics at first, I made mental pictures for a defining word in each of the four verses, Railroad Wooden leg Taters Corn It worked. I quickly learned the order of verses ...and the key word tapped me into the rest of the words for each verse. Where memory is concerned, It could be a case of use it or lose it...there is that to consider. On Jul 3, 12:23 am, 14strings perrypale...@gmail.com wrote: I often seen people put sheets on the floor with a really big font size (no one can really see the flat paper on the floor); instead of the entire lyric they put the first word or two which would be enough to remember the rest of the line You can put the sheets in those plastic protectors to keep them from blowing around or moving i.e. for Shady grove Peaches Apples banjo string golden twine needle and thread sew barlow knife etc... On Jul 2, 8:04 am, Robin Gravina robin.grav...@gmail.com wrote: We went through this a while back and decided that the only way of removing the crutch of the lyrics sheet is to ban using the papers at practice time. It's very easy to learn lyrics if you put your mind to it, and you sing 'em much better when you know them. Otherwise we found that we were being lazy and using up good brainpower on looking at the words when we could have been admiring our own reflections, or wondering if we had left the gas on or maybe even in listening to each other. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:58 PM, The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.auwrote: Thought I might throw this out there. The new group I’m in is having a little trouble remembering lyrics to our tunes at this stage, and we’ve got a performance on Sat night. Because we’re only doing up to six tunes, I suggested we shouldn’t have a music stand in sight. I think it looks more professional not to have a stand and you should know your music. Right or not so? Perhaps if we were doing several sets it might be a different story. I noticed a photo of EC and Co. on his recent tour with music stands on stage. It’s obviously acceptable to do this and I wonder if that was for a full show which is what it looked like. Any opinion or rule of thumb you guys go by? HK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGQ5iCKdTeI I guess when your the man though alot is forgiven... you can tell it bothers him though! ??? I am not sure how I feel about em. I haven't used one yet but have only been on stage 3 times I know I have wished for the lyrics. I tried the cheat sheet but with 12 songs you cant really scroll down the little sheet in micro print that is taped to your mando either, I not only sang the words to the wrong song but I should have just not worried about it... I knew the lyrics just should've lettem out! Adam --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: To stand, or not??
I really prefer to be able to sing from memory - it's more fun, and I get the song across better. I can watch what works for my audience and what doesn't. That said, I've always had a terrible verbal memory and learn words very painfully and slowly. All the little tricks folks suggest just don't work for me. Folks say, just remember the story and let the words follow. Well, I remember the story all right but I'll retell it with words that don't scan or rhyme. So - there are songs I can sing without a crutch, and for the ones I can't, I use a music stand. Songs I'm only going to sing once or twice are not worth my learning, so I use a paper for them and throw it away after. I don't waste my limited memory on songs I don't like. And I am trying to write shorter songs now, too. Topher On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Mando Chef saltydogli...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGQ5iCKdTeI I guess when your the man though alot is forgiven... you can tell it bothers him though! ??? I am not sure how I feel about em. I haven't used one yet but have only been on stage 3 times I know I have wished for the lyrics. I tried the cheat sheet but with 12 songs you cant really scroll down the little sheet in micro print that is taped to your mando either, I not only sang the words to the wrong song but I should have just not worried about it... I knew the lyrics just should've lettem out! Adam --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: To stand, or not??
Our band chose the name The Foggy Memory Boys so we can get away with things like forgotten lyrics and other screw-ups. It also excuses the use of stands. Murph - Original Message - From: The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.au To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:58:00 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: To stand, or not?? Thought I might throw this out there. The new group I’m in is having a little trouble remembering lyrics to our tunes at this stage, and we’ve got a performance on Sat night. Because we’re only doing up to six tunes, I suggested we shouldn’t have a music stand in sight. I think it looks more professional not to have a stand and you should know your music. Right or not so? Perhaps if we were doing several sets it might be a different story. I noticed a photo of EC and Co. on his recent tour with music stands on stage. It’s obviously acceptable to do this and I wonder if that was for a full show which is what it looked like. Any opinion or rule of thumb you guys go by? HK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: To stand, or not??
The sheet flat on the stage for prompting purposes is a good tip for songs that have lyrics that are easy to screw up, but it seems like learning the words is a fairly early and necessary step along the way to getting on top of a song, getting it performance ready. I too have failing-memory issues at times, but going over problem words immediately before a gig seems to work, and I'm much happier not having to try to read something while on stage...particularly since the advent of trifocals, which do really disturbing things to lines of type, especially at critical moments. I do better with my aging memory. On Jul 2, 1:42 pm, Pat Murphree phreem...@comcast.net wrote: Our band chose the name The Foggy Memory Boys so we can get away with things like forgotten lyrics and other screw-ups. It also excuses the use of stands. Murph - Original Message - From: The Holstein Kid st...@senatorgroup.com.au To: Taterbugmando taterbugmando@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:58:00 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: To stand, or not?? Thought I might throw this out there. The new group I’m in is having a little trouble remembering lyrics to our tunes at this stage, and we’ve got a performance on Sat night. Because we’re only doing up to six tunes, I suggested we shouldn’t have a music stand in sight. I think it looks more professional not to have a stand and you should know your music. Right or not so? Perhaps if we were doing several sets it might be a different story. I noticed a photo of EC and Co. on his recent tour with music stands on stage. It’s obviously acceptable to do this and I wonder if that was for a full show which is what it looked like. Any opinion or rule of thumb you guys go by? HK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Taterbugmando group. To post to this group, send email to taterbugmando@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to taterbugmando+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/taterbugmando?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
