Re: Annual fee or pay for major releases?
Hello Gonçalo! On Saturday, December 4, 2004 at 10:33:25 PM you wrote: In my opinion they should diverse their software portfolio instead of over-charge their products. Over-charge? And there are people out there thinking *I* tend to hyperbole ... And for diversification: That's the easiest way to get a company into trouble (does Daimler-Benz, now DaimlerChrysler ring a bell, or VW?). Aren't we now way off topic (of this list that is)? -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request I never think of the future. It comes soon enough. (Albert Einstein) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Annual fee or pay for major releases?
DH Hello Gonçalo! DH On Saturday, December 4, 2004 at 10:33:25 PM you wrote: In my opinion they should diverse their software portfolio instead of over-charge their products. DH Over-charge? And there are people out there thinking *I* tend to DH hyperbole ... :) I my opinion, an annual fee is over-charging. Imagine if this gets to M$ and they like the idea... :) DH And for diversification: That's the easiest way to get a company into DH trouble (does Daimler-Benz, now DaimlerChrysler ring a bell, or VW?). Can't see why... excessive specialization, proven by nature, results in an announced death. DH Aren't we now way off topic (of this list that is)? For too long, I guess... :) Best regards, Goncalo Farias -- I'm sorry Mr. Moderator, I'll go back on topic soon! Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Annual fee or pay for major releases?
Hello Gonçalo! On Sunday, December 5, 2004 at 10:56:54 AM you wrote: :) I my opinion, an annual fee is over-charging. Imagine if this gets to M$ and they like the idea... :) 1. MS had the idea long ago but didn't implement it - yet. 2. I still don't think it would be over-charging, but I wrote about it in the past; I won't reiterate. Can't see why... excessive specialization, proven by nature, results in an announced death. As always in marketing, 2 experts = 3 opinions (at least). Neither do I see an excessive specialisation nor do I find diversification a good idea. It has been done in the past and rarely did a company benefit from it, to the contrary, most of them lost their core competency. And believe me, Germany's companies do learn it the hard way at the moment, from Hoechst (doesn't exist anymore, and Aventis is in major trouble) through Bayer, Volkswagen (why did a company subscribing to selling people's cars go into luxury cars, and why did they not just buy Bentley and Lamborghini but also come up with the Phaeton under their own moniker?), DaimlerChrysler, and many others. Synergieeffekte it was called about ten years ago. Bad cost management, loss of competency and image it is called now. I'd like small companies sticking to their guns. And RL does a good job at programming e-mail software (not so good in communication, granted). From what I know they also consult. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request The 21st century - it's a lot like the 20th except everybody is afraid and the stock market is way lower. (Lisa Simpson) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Annual fee or pay for major releases?
Hi Dierk Haasis, On 5/12/2004 5:10 AM, you wrote: I'd like small companies sticking to their guns. And RL does a good job at programming e-mail software (not so good in communication, granted). From what I know they also consult. I think they already have diversified: The Bat! The Bat! Private Disk - encrypted virtual disk technology BatPost! - mailserver TinyWeb The Bat! Web A lot of products there. :) -- Cheers, -= Allie =- Fraud(n): A telephone number starting with 1-900 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: How Do I Keep IMAP From Connecting?
Hi Keith Russell, On 5/12/2004 1:51 AM, you wrote: Clarification: I just timed it, and I'm getting the login dialog every minute, exactly. Probably the update folder counts option is still enabled. Go in the IMAP fine-tune options (it's in the account properties) and disable the option 'When online, Refresh folders every -- minutes. That should cure the problem. -- Cheers, -= Allie =- Fraud(n): A telephone number starting with 1-900 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Annual fee or pay for major releases?
DH Hello Gonçalo! DH On Sunday, December 5, 2004 at 10:56:54 AM you wrote: :) I my opinion, an annual fee is over-charging. Imagine if this gets to M$ and they like the idea... :) DH 1. MS had the idea long ago but didn't implement it - yet. DH 2. I still don't think it would be over-charging, but I wrote about it DHin the past; I won't reiterate. I don't know if I read it or not! But if M$ didn't pursue that idea then it probably was such a good idea at all... Did you ever saw M$ lose an opportunity to get some extra dollar$? :) Can't see why... excessive specialization, proven by nature, results in an announced death. DH As always in marketing, 2 experts = 3 opinions (at least). Neither DH do I see an excessive specialisation nor do I find DH diversification a good idea. It has been done in the past and DH rarely did a company benefit from it, to the contrary, most of DH them lost their core competency. But here it's not the case. They already have code an editor, which is excellent, as everybody agrees. Why not use the same code and sell it stand-alone? I can't see how they could lose focus on their core business. They would improve income and at the same time improve their editor. DH And believe me, Germany's companies do learn it the hard way at DH the moment, from Hoechst (doesn't exist anymore, and Aventis is in DH major trouble) through Bayer, Volkswagen (why did a company DH subscribing to selling people's cars go into luxury cars, and DH why did they not just buy Bentley and Lamborghini but also come up DH with the Phaeton under their own moniker?), DaimlerChrysler, and DH many others. Probably by the same motive which is taking Mercedes from luxury cars to city cars (with Class A). DH Synergieeffekte it was called about ten years ago. Bad cost DH management, loss of competency and image it is called now. Maybe it was too ambitious or they didn't have the 'dough' to carry it out... DH I'd like small companies sticking to their guns. And RL does a good DH job at programming e-mail software (not so good in communication, DH granted). From what I know they also consult. It was just an opinion. They already have some of the stuff... Best regards, Goncalo Farias -- Hey! Those aren't dilithium; they're Folgers crystals! Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Annual fee or pay for major releases?
A Hi Dierk Haasis, A On 5/12/2004 5:10 AM, you wrote: I'd like small companies sticking to their guns. And RL does a good job at programming e-mail software (not so good in communication, granted). From what I know they also consult. A I think they already have diversified: A The Bat! A The Bat! Private Disk - encrypted virtual disk technology A BatPost! - mailserver A TinyWeb A The Bat! Web A A lot of products there. :) Tinyweb is free, if I recall. And they're missing 'TheBat MicroEd :) Best regards, Goncalo Farias -- The other guy's tagline is always funnier. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Annual fee or pay for major releases?
Hello Allie! On Sunday, December 5, 2004 at 11:23:58 AM you wrote: I think they already have diversified: One e-mail client, one e-mail server, one e-mail Web interface, one side product from SecureTB. Don't know anything about TinyWeb except that it exists. Sounds a bit like: Golf hatchback, Golf convertible, Golf estate (there is no Golf sedan). Throw in a smaller version, the Polo, and a bigger one, the Passat for good measure. But should RL work on an AV app? A browser? A word processor? An image processor? MPEG codecs? Printing programs?* You get my drift. *F-Prot, F-Secure, Norton AV, McAfee; IE, Mozilla (in a dozen variants), Opera; Word, WordPerfect, OpenOffice; Photoshop, Photopaint; Fraunhofer; QImage, FinePrint. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Political revolutions do not often accomplish anything of genuine value; their one undoubted effect is simply to throw out one gang of thieves and put in another. (H.L. Mencken) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Annual fee or pay for major releases?
Hi Dierk Haasis, On 5/12/2004 5:41 AM, you wrote: You get my drift. Not really. I'd agree if they were still selling The Bat!, SecureBat! and AbacusBat! etc. I'd agree that this wouldn't really represent diversification. However, they're quite diverse. An e-mail client and a mailserver are quite different and require their special attention and focus. They're producing multiple products with their only relationship being in the interest of e-mail. The Bat! Private Disk is a spin off the SecureBat! encryption it would seem. Perhaps MicroEd will be another spin-off. -- Cheers, -= Allie Martin =- Friends come and go, enemies accumulate. __ IMAP Clients: The Bat! v3.0.2.5 | ThunderBird v0.9 IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Annual fee or pay for major releases?
AM Hi Dierk Haasis, AM On 5/12/2004 5:41 AM, you wrote: You get my drift. AM Not really. I'd agree if they were still selling The Bat!, SecureBat! AM and AbacusBat! etc. I'd agree that this wouldn't really represent AM diversification. AM However, they're quite diverse. AM An e-mail client and a mailserver are quite different and require AM their special attention and focus. AM They're producing multiple products with their only relationship being AM in the interest of e-mail. AM The Bat! Private Disk is a spin off the SecureBat! encryption it would AM seem. Perhaps MicroEd will be another spin-off. TheBat!Private Disk is in fact Dekart Private-Disk (try http://www.dekart.net/ or http://www.private-disk.net/). It's probably an agreement they made... they don't develop it, I think they're re-branding it. :) Best regards, Goncalo Farias -- Join SCN-NET Today! Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Annual fee or pay for major releases?
Hello Gonçalo! On Sunday, December 5, 2004 at 11:31:25 AM you wrote: Did you ever saw M$ lose an opportunity to get some extra dollar$? Don't know, have never been an MS basher, actually I've never been a corporation basher. Perhaps MS saw that they couldn't make more dough that way? But here it's not the case. They already have code an editor, which is excellent, as everybody agrees. Why not use the same code and sell it stand-alone? I can't see how they could lose focus on their core business. They would improve income and at the same time improve their editor. As I did in the past, I leave that to their marketing department. Probably by the same motive which is taking Mercedes from luxury cars to city cars (with Class A). I mentioned both companies for such idiocy. BTW, the smart move by Daimler-Benz was to give money to Mr Hayek to come up with a small city car [hopefully someone gets the pun in this sentence]. The stupid idea was to make it too expensive, buy Hayek out, and now come up with a bigger four-seater, which is essentially an expensive Mitsubishi Colt (I think it was the Colt). Mercedes lost image and credibility over their ventures into areas that aren't associated with the brand. Not to forget they lost lots of credibility for poor quality in niche markets (like the US-targeted M-class, or the A-class, both of which are very poorly build). -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Don't let a little dispute injure a friendship. Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Annual fee or pay for major releases?
Hello Gonçalo, A reminder of what Gonçalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 05 December 2004 at 12:08:36 GMT +0100 GF TheBat!Private Disk is in fact Dekart Private-Disk (try GF http://www.dekart.net/ or http://www.private-disk.net/). GF It's probably an agreement they made... they don't develop it, I think GF they're re-branding it. I once emailed Dekart and asked what the difference was. The Ritlabs version apparently has less functions than the full blown dekart version. -- Best regards,Tony. _ Message composed on 05/12/2004 at 11:24 UTC 2004 - AWB Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5. 1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 PGP Key http://www.theboomclan.com/pgp.txt pgpAMDMzfKFzB.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
expired certificate
Hello, TLS handshake failure. Invalid server certificate (This certificate has expired). Of course because of cert expiration I couldn't get new mails and to do that I had to change my email account configuration from secure to regular. I was wondering why free programs like Mozilla let us use expired certificates and TB! does not? In my opinion _using expired cert is much more secure than using regular connection_. How about changing that and give us a choice to use it or not? -- Best regards, Marek K. ZBOROWSKI Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
We need your help with BayesIt
Hello Tbbeta, We wanted to release a stable version of BayesIt and lack good tester to help us finally catch some hard-to-reproducde bugs. Could you please use BayesIt seriously and assist us in finding the bugs? There is BayesIt category on the bugtracking server, and you can contact Alexey N. Vinogradov [EMAIL PROTECTED] by e-mail. Thank you very much again! We hope we will manage to release a stable version of BayesIt for Christmas! ;-) -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: We need your help with BayesIt
Hello Maxim, Recently, I saw: MM Could you please use BayesIt seriously and assist us in finding MM the bugs? I would be pleased to help on this topic. Could anyone please post a link to the latest BayesIt Version ? I am currently very happy but it is with version 0.5.9 ... -- / _.'\ \Julien RANC / _.'\ \ /_.-'\___\ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\_\ `` .- \ _/| ICQ# : 36623205 | _\___. | | / \ | |/\| |__| Using The Bat! 3.0.2.10 s/n 9360592E Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: We need your help with BayesIt
Hello Maxim, A reminder of what Maxim Masiutin on TBBETA typed on: 05 December 2004 at 19:20:00 GMT +0100 MM Could you please use BayesIt seriously and assist us in finding the bugs? I've been using it seriously for ages. It just sits there and, well, works, on it's own without me having to do a lot. The odd one gets through but not many. Not sure what else I can do with it? I would tell you the efficiency of it but there seems to be so many bars graphs I don't know what one is what. -- Best regards,Tony. _ Message composed on 05/12/2004 at 18:23 UTC 2004 - AWB Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5. 1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 PGP Key http://www.theboomclan.com/pgp.txt pgpecIdaRDd5X.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: We need your help with BayesIt
Hi, Maxim! : msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MM Thank you very much again! We hope we will manage to release a MM stable version of BayesIt for Christmas! I am currently very happy but it is with version 0.7.5 Very-very best version -- Ave Satanas!, Baphomet [aka Izakaron] e-mail: izakaron[dog]gmail.com WEB: www.hatebreeders.tk - Russian Dark Music Web-Zone Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: We need your help with BayesIt
Hello, Julien. You wrote 06.12.2004 @ 2:23 JR I would be pleased to help on this topic. Could anyone please post a JR link to the latest BayesIt Version ? http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit076.rar -- Sincerely, Alexey. Using TB 3.0.2.5 on WinXP Pro SP2 (2600), spelling by ORFO2002 (CSAPI) ..with Kaspersky Antivirus Plugin (ver 3.5 Gold) antispam filter BayesIt! 0.7.6 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Question about 076
Hello Alexey, Sunday, December 5, 2004, 1:31:29 PM, you wrote: The dbg folder is it new and what do we do with it? -- Best regards, dangermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Question about 076
Hello, danger. You wrote 06.12.2004 @ 3:03 d Hello Alexey, d Sunday, December 5, 2004, 1:31:29 PM, you wrote: d The dbg folder is it new and what do we do with it? If you place the content of the folder together with bayesit.tbp, and if some fatal crash of The bat! happens, then drwatson's log and minidump will include much more meaningful info about the crashing (at least, for bayesit's dump). The file itself was also build with some extra debug info - and this is the reason why it became 700kb against previous 500. When the bug fighting will be finished, this info will be removed in the final built. -- Sincerely, Alexey. Using TB 3.0.2.5 on WinXP Pro SP2 (2600), spelling by ORFO2002 (CSAPI) ..with Kaspersky Antivirus Plugin (ver 3.5 Gold) antispam filter BayesIt! 0.7.6 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: We need your help with BayesIt
Hi Maxim, MM Hello Tbbeta, MM We wanted to release a stable version of BayesIt and lack MM good tester to help us finally catch some hard-to-reproducde bugs. MM Could you please use BayesIt seriously and assist us in finding MM the bugs? There is BayesIt category on the bugtracking server, MM and you can contact Alexey N. Vinogradov [EMAIL PROTECTED] MM by e-mail. MM Thank you very much again! We hope we will manage to MM release a stable version of BayesIt for Christmas! ;-) I have used BayesIt for the past two months and I have no problems with it at all. At first it did not work, I hated it. But I reinstalled it anyway and kept trying. One release (forgot the number, around Oct 1), worked fine and I haven't had a problem since. White listing lists like this and my address book really helped a lot. I average about 1200 e-mails daily. In the past two months, I have never had a good e-mail classified as SPAM (out of about 70,000 e-mails) and my SPAM classification rate for yesterday was: --- Regarding base: 42358 word(s) SPAM: 525 HAM : 452 Total E-mails: 977 False HAM: 1 False SPAM: 0 SPAM Classification Rate: 99.809524 Percent HAM Classification Rate: 100 Percent Overall Classification Rate: 99.897646 Percent I have a quick template that sends this data to me every day at 0600 so I can keep an eye on BayesIt. I am about to make that a weekly schedule because BayesIt is so good I really don't need to watch it much. I have had at least 20 days out of the last 60 with 100% error free classification. As far as I'm concerned, BayesIt is stable, although I understand no two computers are alike and others may have difficulties... Keep up the great work Alexey and the Ritlab team! Mike -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] :flag-us-tx: :flag-thailand: Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 The Bat! 3.0.2.8 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: We need your help with BayesIt
Good evening Alexey, on Mon, 6 Dec 2004 02:31:29 +0800 GMT your local time you wrote: ANV http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit076.rar can you tell me, please, what is the directory dbg for? The archive raised from 173 to 621 KB. -- Regards, Peter Using Ritlabs TheBat! 3.0.2.10 (OS: Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: We need your help with BayesIt
PH can you tell me, please, what is the directory dbg for? While sending the previous message I received your answer ;) -- Regards, Peter Using Ritlabs TheBat! 3.0.2.10 (OS: Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: We need your help with BayesIt
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], A reminder of what [EMAIL PROTECTED] on TBBETA typed on: 05 December 2004 at 20:20:44 GMT +0100 msn I have a quick template that sends this data to me every day at 0600 msn so I can keep an eye on BayesIt. Care to publish that QT please, I'm interested. -- Best regards,Tony. _ Message composed on 05/12/2004 at 19:27 UTC 2004 - AWB Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5. 1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 PGP Key http://www.theboomclan.com/pgp.txt pgpKCaYevNO7o.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Annual fee or pay for major releases?
Hello AC, Sunday, December 5, 2004, 5:50:50 AM, you wrote: AM The Bat! Private Disk is a spin off the SecureBat! encryption it would AM seem. I feel the Private Disk is a marketing of a product by Dekart. See: http://www.dekart.com/products/file_disk_encryption/private_disk/ AM Perhaps MicroEd will be another spin-off. I would vote to be able to use MicroEd outside of Thebat! for quick simple text editing. -- Best regards, Jim Using SecureBat! v2.12.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: We need your help with BayesIt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Maxim, On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 20:19:42 +0200GMT (5-12-2004, 19:19 +0100, where I live), you wrote: We wanted to release a stable version of BayesIt and lack good tester to help us finally catch some hard-to-reproducde bugs. Could you please use BayesIt seriously and assist us in finding the bugs? There is BayesIt category on the bugtracking server, and you can contact Alexey N. Vinogradov [EMAIL PROTECTED] by e-mail. Thank you very much again! We hope we will manage to release a stable version of BayesIt for Christmas! ;-) Ok, I uninstalled Spampal and installed BayesIt will give it a serious try. - -- cheers, Henk __ :beta: The Bat! Natural Email System v3.0.2.10 Professional on Windows XP SP2 PGP Key Request: See Headers or send email with subj.: send HenksKeyID Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://gswot.webhop.info/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: with GPGshell 3.30rc3 iD8DBQFBs2PuEgabk9vm5ngRAquNAKClEi7TNhxt90bcZ3Tm7uFeuHJMOQCgulWf +hxnkAt33btBcM0Lkz7Mvg4= =uFoU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: We need your help with BayesIt
Hi Tony, TB Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], TB A reminder of what [EMAIL PROTECTED] on TBBETA typed on: TB 05 December 2004 at 20:20:44 GMT +0100 msn I have a quick template that sends this data to me every day at 0600 msn so I can keep an eye on BayesIt. TB Care to publish that QT please, I'm interested. I just changed it to a weekly report, to make it a daily, just change all occurrences of 168 to 24... -- %SUBJ=BayseIt Data: %DATESHORT BayesIt Stats for the past week As of: %DATESHORT %TIMELONG %BAYESBASE SPAM: %STATSPAMLETTERS(168) HAM : %STATNONSPAMLETTERS(168) Total E-mails: %CALC=%STATSPAMLETTERS(168) + %STATNONSPAMLETTERS(168) False HAM: %STATSPAMERLETTERS(168) False SPAM: %STATNONSPAMERLETTERS(168) SPAM Classification Rate: %CALC=(%STATSPAMLETTERS(168)-%STATSPAMERLETTERS(168))/(%STATSPAMLETTERS(168))*(100) Percent HAM Classification Rate: %CALC=(%STATNONSPAMLETTERS(168)-%STATNONSPAMERLETTERS(168))/(%STATNONSPAMLETTERS(168))*(100) Percent Overall Classification Rate: %CALC=((%STATSPAMLETTERS(168) + %STATNONSPAMLETTERS(168))-(%STATSPAMERLETTERS(168)+%STATNONSPAMERLETTERS(168)))/(%STATSPAMLETTERS(168) + %STATNONSPAMLETTERS(168))*(100) Percent - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] :flag-us-tx: :flag-thailand: Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 The Bat! 3.0.2.8 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: We need your help with BayesIt
Hello ?, A reminder of what [EMAIL PROTECTED] on TBBETA typed on: 05 December 2004 at 20:52:56 GMT +0100 msn I just changed it to a weekly report, to make it a daily, just change msn all occurrences of 168 to 24... Thank you very much. For the chaps at RIT, here's my Bayesit stats. BayesIt Stats for Today As of: 05/12/2004 20:08:44 Regarding base: 76633 word(s) SPAM: 2 HAM : 66 Total E-mails: 68 False HAM: 1 False SPAM: 0 SPAM Classification Rate: 50 Percent HAM Classification Rate: 100 Percent Overall Classification Rate: 98.529412 Percent -- Best regards,Tony. _ Message composed on 05/12/2004 at 20:09 UTC 2004 - AWB Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5. 1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 PGP Key http://www.theboomclan.com/pgp.txt pgpmw9JzWrTO6.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: We need your help with BayesIt
Hi TBBETA, A Hello, Julien. A You wrote 06.12.2004 @ 2:23 JR I would be pleased to help on this topic. Could anyone please post JR a link to the latest BayesIt Version ? A http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit076.rar Any chance of installing instructions in English? The page on the website is so outdated it's useless. -- Grimnir The Bat! Version 3.0.2.10 Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.0 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: expired certificate
Hello M., Sunday, December 5, 2004, 4:49:07 AM, you wrote: TLS handshake failure. Invalid server certificate (This certificate has expired). Of course because of cert expiration I couldn't get new mails and to do that I had to change my email account configuration from secure to regular. I was wondering why free programs like Mozilla let us use expired certificates and TB! does not? In my opinion _using expired cert is much more secure than using regular connection_. I can't completely agree with silently being permitted to use expired certs- false sense of security for those not paying attention. But I did learn some more in addition to the similar SSL/TLS issues I brought up at the end of October. Try something for me, to test it out. Instead of completely degrading to unsecure mode try StartTLS mode (initial conection made port 110 then normal TLS established for the remainder of the session) What I have happen is failure in SSL/TLS mode to dedicated port (995, 993, 465) due to TB choking (and not even allowing me to *view* the certificates) but does allow me to permit, per session only/no importing. What I have found recently is I can get away with StartTLS mode and get no prompt at all... it just works, no complaints. Now *this* is a bug, if the first forced fails are by design... Also, I find TB behaves differently wrt certificate warnings if you are behind a router/NAT or connected direct along with the SSL/TLS dedicated vs. StartTLS modes. How about changing that and give us a choice to use it or not? AMEN! I want to be able to view every certificate TB negotiates with as well I want the option to take authentication on myself and permanently allow sessions with certs I say are good. I do not care for TB making those decisions for me- especially since it isn't following any apparent standard. sorry for adding my frustration rant to your post- you have resurfaced a valid issue that seems to die quickly around here- which to me is surprising since TB! is, IMO, one of the best security focused mail clients around. -- Most Sincerely, Mark (Army RedLeg) Enjoying OTFPwdE with TheBat! Professional Edition v.3.0.2.10 on Win2kSP4/Sony Vaio F430 laptop PIII-450/256MB. coming to you LIVE!, From Albuquerque g Eric Howes' on Protecting Your Privacy Security: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ehowes/www/ Good chance you'll find *all* the goodies here: http://lists.gpick.com/ looking for a nice place off the beaten usenet path? join us: nntp://news.securecomp.org Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: We need your help with BayesIt
On Sun 5-Dec-04 12:31pm -0600, Alexey N. Vinogradov wrote: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit076.rar What hasn't changed: 10-07-04 advanced.ini 2-23-04 kludges.txt What has changed: 12-03-04 BayesIt.tbp 12-06-04 history.txt What is new: 12-03-04 BayesIt.map 12-03-04 BayesIt.pdb 12-06-04 dbg (a directory) What what there before but not now: 9-02-04 bayesit.INC 9-02-04 bayesit.LNC 10-12-04 bayesit.lng 10-02-04 lstrepair.exe You've explained the purpose of the dbg directory, what are the new .map and .pdb files? I assume the bayesit.lng is still needed and lstrepair.exe may still be useful. What about bayesit.INC and bayesit.LNC? -- Best regards, Bill Beta 3.0.2.10 Pro BayesIt! 0.7.5 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XMP 0.9.6 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: We need your help with BayesIt
OnSun5-Dec-0412:19pm-0600,MaximMasiutinwrote: WewantedtoreleaseastableversionofBayesIt andlackgoodtestertohelpusfinallycatchsome hard-to-reproducdebugs.CouldyoupleaseuseBayesIt seriouslyandassistusinfindingthebugs?Thereis "BayesIt"categoryonthebugtrackingserver,andyou cancontact"AlexeyN.Vinogradov [EMAIL PROTECTED]"bye-mail. My results are only fair. No false positive but it misses quite a bit of junk - trained with many hundreds of spam. Are my settings appropriate? -- Bestregards, Bill Beta3.0.2.10ProBayesIt!0.7.6X-Ray1.4.0.0XMP0.9.6XPProSP2POP3 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: We need your help with BayesIt
Hello Bill, Sunday, December 5, 2004, 9:35:59 PM, you wrote: On Sun 5-Dec-04 12:19pm -0600, Maxim Masiutin wrote: We wanted to release a stable version of BayesIt and lack good tester to help us finally catch some hard-to-reproducde bugs. Could you please use BayesIt seriously and assist us in finding the bugs? There is BayesIt category on the bugtracking server, and you can contact Alexey N. Vinogradov [EMAIL PROTECTED] by e-mail. My results are only fair. No false positive but it misses quite a bit of junk - trained with many hundreds of spam. Are my settings appropriate? I gave up with Bayesit as it was missing the same spam time after time, I use the Bayes Filter Plugin and get a lot better results, nothing would make me change back Sean -- ICQ: 679813 YAHOO: thecivvie Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: tcobone O2 +353863868343 Vodafone +353872628431 Im listening to Damien Dempsey - I Believe In A Thing Called Love. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Annual fee or pay for major releases?
Hallo Gonçalo, On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 09:56:54 +GMT (5-12-2004, 10:56 +0100, where I live), you wrote: GF Goncalo Farias GF -- GF I'm sorry Mr. Moderator, I'll go back on topic soon! You shouldn't have said that. Not with a cutsign that doesn't work properly. :furious: -- Groetjes, Roelof Computers run on smoke. They stop as it leaks out. The Bat! 3.0.2.10 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpcsH7AM2Nrb.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: We need your help with BayesIt
On Sun 5-Dec-04 12:19pm -0600, Maxim Masiutin wrote: We wanted to release a stable version of BayesIt How about adding something to the RitLabs site so we can see what the latest version is? And also let us download it from there. -- Best regards, Bill Beta 3.0.2.10 Pro BayesIt! 0.7.6 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XMP 0.9.6 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: We need your help with BayesIt
On Sun 5-Dec-04 3:45pm -0600, Sean Rima wrote: I gave up with Bayesit as it was missing the same spam time after time, I use the Bayes Filter Plugin and get a lot better results, nothing would make me change back Even if it became the best anti-spam tool around? Why? -- Best regards, Bill Beta 3.0.2.10 Pro BayesIt! 0.7.6 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XMP 0.9.6 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: We need your help with BayesIt
Hello Bill, Sunday, December 5, 2004, 11:55:29 PM, you wrote: On Sun 5-Dec-04 3:45pm -0600, Sean Rima wrote: I gave up with Bayesit as it was missing the same spam time after time, I use the Bayes Filter Plugin and get a lot better results, nothing would make me change back Even if it became the best anti-spam tool around? Why? It catches spam messages faster than what bayesit ever did. And it seems to be more reliable and stable as well, I had a couple of problems with bayesit Sean -- ICQ: 679813 YAHOO: thecivvie Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: tcobone O2 +353863868343 Vodafone +353872628431 Im listening to Ann Blake - Hole in the Head. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Annual fee or pay for major releases?
RO Hallo Gonçalo, RO On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 09:56:54 +GMT (5-12-2004, 10:56 +0100, where I RO live), you wrote: GF Goncalo Farias GF -- GF I'm sorry Mr. Moderator, I'll go back on topic soon! RO You shouldn't have said that. Not with a cutsign that doesn't work RO properly. :furious: It's a cookie. It was random. Best regards, Gonçalo Farias -- Hard hat area! Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: We need your help with BayesIt
Hello Sean, Sunday (December 5, 2004, 1:45 PM) you wrote: SR I gave up with Bayesit as it was missing the same spam time after SR time, I had this problem too. My guess is the database is not set up correctly, yet. No matter what my setting or how much training I fed Bayesit, it never seemed to catch more than 80% of the spam. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: We need your help with BayesIt
Hello John, Monday, December 6, 2004, 12:38:34 AM, you wrote: Hello Sean, Sunday (December 5, 2004, 1:45 PM) you wrote: SR I gave up with Bayesit as it was missing the same spam time after SR time, I had this problem too. My guess is the database is not set up correctly, yet. No matter what my setting or how much training I fed Bayesit, it never seemed to catch more than 80% of the spam. I thought this as well but I got frustrated. I habe SA server on my rebote box that catches 99% of my spam so I need one for the 1% that gets through Sean -- ICQ: 679813 YAHOO: thecivvie Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: tcobone O2 +353863868343 Vodafone +353872628431 Im listening to Bic Runga - Sway. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: We need your help with BayesIt
Hello Paul, Sunday, December 5, 2004, 1:23:15 PM, Paul F. Siebern wrote: A http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit076.rar Any chance of installing instructions in English? The page on the website is so outdated it's useless. Which page are you referring too? Is it http://klirik.narod.ru/usefuls/bayesiteng.htm ? If it is I agree because it says the following: ,- [ per http://klirik.narod.ru/usefuls/bayesiteng.htm ] | Since the add-on BayesIt was included into official distribution of the | last versions of The Bat!, the information page about installing and | setting up the plugin (ver. 0.5.x and newer) is now placed at RitLabs | website (see at section Solution on official RitLabs site | http://www.ritlabs.com) `- Unless I'm missing something here I do NOT see any Solution on RitLabs site. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: We need your help with BayesIt
Hi TBBETA, G Which page are you referring too? Is it G http://klirik.narod.ru/usefuls/bayesiteng.htm ? That's the one. G Unless I'm missing something here I do NOT see any Solution on G RitLabs site. I think at one time there was one, but not in english. -- Grimnir The Bat! Version 3.0.2.10 Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.0 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: We need your help with BayesIt
Hello Greg, Sunday, December 5, 2004, 8:05:03 PM, Greg Strong wrote: ,- [ per http://klirik.narod.ru/usefuls/bayesiteng.htm ] | Since the add-on BayesIt was included into official distribution of the | last versions of The Bat!, the information page about installing and | setting up the plugin (ver. 0.5.x and newer) is now placed at RitLabs | website (see at section Solution on official RitLabs site | http://www.ritlabs.com) `- Unless I'm missing something here I do NOT see any Solution on RitLabs site. Either I'm really missing something or you have your customers going in circles. ,- [ per http://www.ritlabs.com/kb/idx/41/035/article/ ] | BayesIt anti-spam plug-in. | | All the required information concerning setting up the BayesIt antispam | plugin can be found right here `- 'here' is a link to http://klirik.narod.ru/usefuls/bayesiteng.htm which tells you to go to RitLabs Solution section on the official website. I did a search on Solution from the home page of RitLabs (i.e. http://www.ritlabs.com/) and found http://www.ritlabs.com/en/solutions/ which has absolutely no information. I have installed BayesIt. I'm sure I need to learn more about it, however from my experience PopFile was easier and more efficient when it came to classifying Spam. It could be that the spammers are getting more proficient at getting around Bayesian filtering. I don't know. IIRC I like the concept of the plugin because you can use it with secure connection. IIRC last time I used PopFile it could only be used with one. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
I need your help with BayesIt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello TBBETA Ok, installed it. Can I import/copy information from Spampal (blacklisted emailaddresses, IP-addresses? If so how do I do that? Do I have to change the standardsettings? tia - -- cheers, Henk __ :beta: The Bat! Natural Email System v3.0.2.10 Professional on Windows XP SP2 BayesIt 0.7.6 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: with GPGshell 3.30rc3 iD8DBQFBs/4uEgabk9vm5ngRAsm0AKC8rP3xzLmZ/OaZN2M7R+9V40Ne7wCg7zfj DDuingYs+/A9XEvs+9IqP9g= =MYfG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Beta 10 IMAP No workie
AC, On 02-12-2004 22:50, you [AM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I confirm that. 3.0.2.10 continuous loses connection to all of my four imap-accounts - one after one... ping, ping, ping, ping. Even a reconnect doesn't work - have to close TB and restart it. AM Confirmed here. :( I know I indicated the contrary but I now confirm. AM -- AM Cheers, AM Allie Martin Ouch :) -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.0.2.10 Pro /thebat version env. ~18 POP3, 1 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 150K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
