Re: No Filters fix yet. Hardd to believe
Hi Thomas, Personally, I currently depend on email for both my own company as well as my PhD studies, and I don't have a spare computer to test a risky software. I wouldn't call v.5 a risky software but rather premature and fixing it takes time - teething problem as you said. I'm rather not afraid of having my data lost, however, I do not leave much space here to have it lost :) (daily backups). Loaded about 30% of my e-mails (18000 e-mails so far) into v5 and it's working not bad in standard mode (in OTFE Duplicates Removal are not not working). Of course there are issues but assuming that RIT is working on having it fixed they are IMO not something to give up TB! so far :) If you need a stable email client, I recommend TB!v4. You can't buy registration key for v.4, can you? -- Best regards, RS The Bat! 5.0.8 Windows7 Professional (x64) Polish (SP1) OTFE Enabled ; so far only 3 POP3 accounts The Bat! 5.0.10 Windows7 Ultimate (x64) English (SP1) OTFE Enabled ; so far only 3 POP3 accounts Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Magic. The disappearing Bat (Still)
Hello Tbbeta, The TB! is really starting to annoy me. This was happening with previous versions, but I can not tell you when it started. When I move from one message to another (using CTRL + ) TB! disappears, in one of the quickest shutdowns possible (AKA crash). It was present in the first public release and it is still here. It does not happen every time but once or twice a day. The 'normal' practice of switching it off and on again goes not appear to help. This includes rebooting the laptop. This is with Normal folders with pop. :( -- Best regards, David mailto:da...@elliott.uk.com running TB! ver 5.0.12.1 on Windows 7 6.1.7600 Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Magic. The disappearing Bat (Still)
Hi David, When I move from one message to another (using CTRL + ) TB! disappears, in one of the quickest shutdowns possible (AKA crash). The 'normal' practice of switching it off and on again goes not appear to help. This includes rebooting the laptop. Killing TB! process in Task Manager is not enough? After killing a process you should be able to restart TB! without restart. -- Best regards, RS The Bat! 5.0.8 Windows7 Professional (x64) Polish (SP1) OTFE Enabled ; so far only 3 POP3 accounts The Bat! 5.0.10 Windows7 Ultimate (x64) English (SP1) OTFE Enabled ; so far only 3 POP3 accounts Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Magic. The disappearing Bat (Still)
Hail RS, On Sun, 8 May 2011, at 15:39:21 [which was on Sunday at 08:39 where I live] you wrote: When I move from one message to another (using CTRL + ) TB! disappears, in one of the quickest shutdowns possible (AKA crash). The 'normal' practice of switching it off and on again goes not appear to help. This includes rebooting the laptop. Killing TB! process in Task Manager is not enough? After killing a process you should be able to restart TB! without restart. When I say it 'disappears', I mean that it is gone, no process is in the task manager, it is not running. (just like a Norwegian Blue parrot) -- Cheers David mailto:da...@elliott.uk.com running TB! ver 5.0.12.1 on Windows 7 6.1.7600 Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Filters fix yet. Hardd to believe
On Sun, 8 May 2011 02:47:37 +0700, Thomas Fernandez wrote: v5 is a completely new software, as it is written from scratch, It's not. I'll quote from the original v5 announcement: |To: tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com |Subject: New versions of The Bat! |From: Maxim Masiutin m...@ritlabs.com |Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:45:36 +0300 | |Hello, Tbbeta. | |The new version will be version 5.0. | [...] |The changes to the program are the most significant that we have ever made from version to version. |We have removed 1.7MB or old source code so far, and are using the new code instead. The program |internal architecture is changed to allow smooth IMAP implementations and many new improvements |like undo/redo for message management, and so on. [...] Some examples of code left untouched: - Numbered Re in follow-up Subject lines. Like Re[1]:, Re[2]: etc. This is Beta! specific, non RFC behaviour. It breaks threading-by- subject in other mail clients. It's just as awful as the erroneously translated Av: Antw: subject prefixes of some old Outlook Express versions. - Initialized quote prefixes, like: AdG quoted text. This is a non RFC compliant method of quoting and is not recognized by other mail clients. - Message-ID url's. TB! uses mid:localpart@server, which is useless in other mail clients. It's these and other features like mugshots and betamoticons that lead me to believe that Beta! developers and chronical beta! list habituals alike are living in a world of their own and are impervious and hostile towards input from outside. Like I said before: it just behaves like some kind of sect. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
On Sat, 7 May 2011 13:43:20 -0300, Simon Martin wrote: Could someone who is NOT using Courier please save the mail, zip it and PM it to me please. Just out of curiosity I did a little test of my own. - In Forte Agent I saved the offending message in Unix Mailbox format. The relevant parts of this message are these: Header: |MIME-Version: 1.0 |Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii |Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Body: |begin 644 thebat_error_20110430.gif |M1TE.#EAT@'`'``P`T@'`*?Z^OKP[_#K\_-H8V=B7F%Y=7C7U]=` [Snip bulk of UUEncoded part] |+0*2[]E%P;D```#N[ |` |end | | | Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: |http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html This means the .gif file is part of the message BODY and is NOT an attachment. - I started the latest Alfa/Beta/Release/Whatever version of TB! (5.0.12.1) and imported the message (Tools - Import Messages - From Unix-mailboxes.) It displays fine but now the message looks like this: Header: |MIME-Version: 1.0 |Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=--E013D5220A8938 Body: |E013D5220A8938 |Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii |Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | | | | | | Current beta is 5.0.10.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: |http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html | | | | |E013D5220A8938 |Content-Type: application/octet-stream; | name=thebat_error_20110502.gif |Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-uuencode | |begin 644 thebat_error_20110502.gif |M1TE.#EAV`',`'``P`V`',`*?Z^OKM\?/ZZF:FIJGIZ?5UM:WMK:@ [Snip bulk of UUEncoded part] |/6S=JJW3.'L`%$![ |` |end |E013D5220A8938-- This means the .gif file now is an attachment. For clarity: this also means TB! is not just simply importing messages but modifies them while importing. I am not quite sure if it should be allowed to do that. Another strange thing happened when I saved the message from TB! in Unix Mailbox format. There are two methods: 1) File - Save as... 2) Tools - Export message to - Unix mailbox Both methods save a file with extension .mbox, even if I try to override it by putting an extension like .txt at the end of the name. What's also weird is that I cannot change the name of the file while TB! is still active. I have to close TB! in order to rename the file. It looks like, one way or another, TB! keeps the saved file in memory instead of releasing it, like it should do (imho, of course...) Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Dear Arjan, @08-May-2011, 14:31 +0200 (08-May 13:31 here) Arjan de Groot [ADG] in mid:881ds6d2263do6jvu2vs4nd4p2q6soc...@4ax.com said: ADG For clarity: this also means TB! is not just simply importing messages ADG but modifies them while importing. I am not quite sure if it should be ADG allowed to do that. When importing messages from a non-email compliant (news) format, of course TB has to reformat the messages to be fully MIME compliant and should certainly be allowed to do so. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.12.1 on Windows 7 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 ' pgpqwKPy4kPaz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No Filters fix yet. Hardd to believe
Hello all, Sunday, May 8, 2011, Arjan de Groot wrote: Some examples of code left untouched: - Numbered Re in follow-up Subject lines. Like Re[1]:, Re[2]: etc. This is Beta! specific, non RFC behaviour. It breaks threading-by- subject in other mail clients. It's just as awful as the erroneously translated Av: Antw: subject prefixes of some old Outlook Express versions. RFC can not contain anything what any developer implements and there is no reason to remove feature which exists 10 years, BTW it is turned off by default. - Initialized quote prefixes, like: AdG quoted text. This is a non RFC compliant method of quoting and is not recognized by other mail clients. again this is configurable by macro, so user can decide when use this feature. - Message-ID url's. TB! uses mid:localpart@server, which is useless in other mail clients. false, it is not used in headers. And if other clients does not support it, this is reason to remove it from TB? Why?? It's these and other features like mugshots and betamoticons that lead me to believe that Beta! developers and chronical beta! list habituals alike are living in a world of their own and are impervious and hostile towards input from outside. Like I said before: it just behaves like some kind of sect. You should comment something You understand and know about, somebody could call You stupid. As I see, You are here to create flames only, You should use another list instead. Thank You -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.12.1 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.4 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Filters fix yet. Hardd to believe
On Sun, 8 May 2011 14:54:09 +0200, Marek Mikus wrote: RFC can not contain anything what any developer implements and there is no reason to remove feature which exists 10 years, BTW it is turned off by default. Yes, and 10 years ago headers were named kludges. There is even less reason to keep this feature in. All it does is cause confusion. Nothing more. [Initialized quote prefixes] again this is configurable by macro, so user can decide when use this feature. The question is: why would anyone want to use it? Like the first feature I mentioned it doesn't serve any purpose whatsoever, and it is a possible source of confusion. - Message-ID url's. TB! uses mid:localpart@server, which is useless in other mail clients. false, it is not used in headers. I did not mention headers (kludges). It's some kind of URL, only useful for fellow Beta! users. In Forte Agent I can doubleclick on a Message-ID anywhere in the message and it finds the correct message. If I want to search for a malformed Beta! specific Message URL I have to open it in an editor and edit it. It's completely useless! Ritlabs should have implemented a method like Agent uses in the first place, instead of inventing its own strange workaround. And if other clients does not support it, this is reason to remove it from TB? Why?? Because it adds useless complexity into a mail client that's already bloated and bug-ridden. Ritlabs should grab any opportunity to remove crappy, bug-prone and/or idiosyncratic uselesness from the code in order to make it leaner, meaner and easier to use and maintain. But they won't do that. It's these and other features like mugshots and betamoticons that lead me to believe that Beta! developers and chronical beta! list habituals alike are living in a world of their own and are impervious and hostile towards input from outside. Like I said before: it just behaves like some kind of sect. You should comment something You understand and know about, somebody could call You stupid. As I see, You are here to create flames only, You should use another list instead. Thank You And thank you too for proving my point. Imperviousness, hostility and obliviousness regarding things that really matter. You say I am dropping flame-bait, I say I am just speaking the (uneasy) truth. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Imported EML messages not visible...
Hi, Imported a few thousand messages into TB! (5.0.8) and while doing 2nd part of my work I imported over 8000 messages into folder 'IMPORT 2' and created lots of subfolders to have them sorted. At that point 'IMPORT 2' = 8136 messages (fine and visible). After restart it shows 'IMPORT 2' = 0 messages. First I thought that they are just gone but not... If you remember exact folder name (I don't :( ) you can get them back visible ; if not they just do not exist... All together I imported over 18000 prior to that problem. Anything I import now is just invisible after TB! restart Bug is reported (0008685) and if you want you can have a look on the movie showing the problem (1.5MB) is on WWW: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8685 -- Best regards, RS The Bat! 5.0.8 Windows7 Professional (x64) Polish (SP1) OTFE Enabled ; so far only 3 POP3 accounts The Bat! 5.0.10 Windows7 Ultimate (x64) English (SP1) OTFE Enabled ; so far only 3 POP3 accounts Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Hello Marck, On Sun, 8 May 2011 13:47:02 +0100 GMT (08/May/11, 19:47 PM +0700 GMT), Marck Pearlstone wrote: ADG For clarity: this also means TB! is not just simply importing messages ADG but modifies them while importing. I am not quite sure if it should be ADG allowed to do that. MP When importing messages from a non-email compliant (news) format, of MP course TB has to reformat the messages to be fully MIME compliant MP and should certainly be allowed to do so. I think I agree, but this might be out of my league: If TB! is supposed to change from UUencode to MIME, why does it work reliably with v4 and only for some people (and not for all) with v5? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Dear Thomas, @8-May-2011, 23:52 +0700 (08-May 17:52 here) Thomas Fernandez [TOG] in mid:24048256.20110508235...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de said to Marck: ... snip MP When importing messages from a non-email compliant (news) MP format, of course TB has to reformat the messages to be fully MP MIME compliant and should certainly be allowed to do so. TOG I think I agree, but this might be out of my league: If TB! is TOG supposed to change from UUencode to MIME, why does it work TOG reliably with v4 and only for some people (and not for all) TOG with v5? I think TB may have lost the ability to decode inline UUE in the re-write. It clearly still has a UUE decoder for use in the importer. As for why some can and some can't see the attachment correctly in V5, I'd say the lucky few who can are downwind of an MTA (mail server) that does the conversion en-route. In other words, news style UUE message body encoding is not acceptable in the RFC for email in transit, so these servers take it upon themselves to be helpful. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.12.1 on Windows 7 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 ' pgpK2adA1ZMAm.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Hello Marck, On Sun, 8 May 2011 18:08:59 +0100 GMT (09/May/11, 0:08 AM +0700 GMT), Marck Pearlstone wrote: MP I think TB may have lost the ability to decode inline UUE in the MP re-write. It clearly still has a UUE decoder for use in the MP importer. As for why some can and some can't see the attachment MP correctly in V5, I'd say the lucky few who can are downwind of an MP MTA (mail server) that does the conversion en-route. In other MP words, news style UUE message body encoding is not acceptable in the MP RFC for email in transit, so these servers take it upon themselves MP to be helpful. What's your opinion on this? Should TB! continue to decode UUE? I for one think so, for user-friendliness, even though the RFCs don't require it. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Dear Thomas, @9-May-2011, 00:28 +0700 (08-May 18:28 here) Thomas Fernandez [TOG] in mid:6410625341.20110509002...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de said to Marck: ... snip MP I think TB may have lost the ability to decode inline UUE in the MP re-write. ... snip TOG What's your opinion on this? Should TB! continue to decode UUE? I for TOG one think so, for user-friendliness, even though the RFCs don't TOG require it. Tough call. It has to be down to priorities. There are flaws and omissions relating to non-retro technologies that have to take pride of place in the programming queue. I'd put this one on a low priority myself. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v5.0.12.1 on Windows 7 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 ' pgpvF0DFUcdne.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
Hello Marck, On Sun, 8 May 2011 18:35:07 +0100 GMT (09/May/11, 0:35 AM +0700 GMT), Marck Pearlstone wrote: MP ... snip MP I think TB may have lost the ability to decode inline UUE in the MP re-write. MP ... snip TOG What's your opinion on this? Should TB! continue to decode UUE? I for TOG one think so, for user-friendliness, even though the RFCs don't TOG require it. MP Tough call. It has to be down to priorities. There are flaws and MP omissions relating to non-retro technologies that have to take pride MP of place in the programming queue. I'd put this one on a low MP priority myself. We have both made our points, the decision is now with Ritlabs. And then ultimately, with their paying customers and *their* priorities with reading emails and viewing attachments. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Imported EML messages not visible...
Hi, Imported a few thousand messages into TB! (5.0.8) and while doing 2nd part of my work I imported over 8000 messages into folder 'IMPORT 2' and created lots of subfolders to have them sorted. At that point 'IMPORT 2' = 8136 messages (fine and visible). After restart it shows 'IMPORT 2' = 0 messages. First I thought that they are just gone but not... If you remember exact folder name (I don't :( ) you can get them back visible ; if not they just do not exist... All together I imported over 18000 prior to that problem. Anything I import now is just invisible after TB! restart Bug is reported (0008685) and if you want you can have a look on the movie showing the problem (1.5MB) is on WWW: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8685 Export to a backup from faulty TB! and import on another machine didn't work out - still not visible. Folders and VF can be created but any subfolder created is not visible after TB! restart. Going to stick to TB! only as a TBBETA reader for a while... Not going to re-import EML messages manually again - all together about whole weekend I lost on importing to TB! is gone... -- Best regards, RS The Bat! 5.0.8 Windows7 Professional (x64) Polish (SP1) OTFE Enabled ; so far only 3 POP3 accounts The Bat! 5.0.10 Windows7 Ultimate (x64) English (SP1) OTFE Enabled ; so far only 3 POP3 accounts Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif
On Sunday, May 8, 2011, 19:08:59, Marck Pearlstone wrote: I think TB may have lost the ability to decode inline UUE in the re-write. It hasn't - I sent myself several messages with UUEncoded attachments, and they all arrived intact. I tried receiving them both through POP3 connection and through IMAP, with Dovecot and Exchange being the IMAP servers; Exchange did something funny with the message though - the entire message arrived base64-encoded, and inside this base64 block was inline UUencoded attachment - but TB had no problems decoding it. Here's the top few lines from Dovecot: 8--- From: Jernej =?utf-8?Q?Simon=C4=8Di=C4=8D?= jernej|s...@eternallybored.org Subject: TestUU - tbthemes1.png (1/1) uuEncoded 3031 bytes To: hidden User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.84 (e7884815.430.402) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: e-mailaholics international Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 17:56:12 +0200 Message-ID: 1h1zkv7wg2wa2$.d...@deepthought.ena.si X-Face: *BXrgB!?f3cBwmeN:Q~Z[5F-qZK~t;k]KluGog=8Wl6qa@Rhn=(OL//@Zo*+3C1opTjt 7l,QM=h6[k:#^'6]0MuPu-@By.:}Io=wJ\]V4L,C`FM}a7R2oNq@Q8jY8`s)2^~@4o:FM}W1N n:~ixb-b:#nOD2|Eut% X-Ultimate-Answer: 42 Test -- Jernej Simon=C4=8Di=C4=8D http://eternallybored.org/ begin 644 tbthemes1.png MB5!.1PT*@H-24A$4@```R`J`,```!\W^AGU!,5$4@(`* M(!K___\*(AL,,B@*(QP'(1H%)1P*)1T*)AX*+R0*(1H*-2@*-B@*-RD).H* M(1L**R$**!\*-*,R*,R8*)!P*)!T*,4*+(**2`*,24*+B,*,B8*)QX* 8--- ...and from Exchange: 8--- Subject: Test 2 - test.gif (1/1) uuEncoded 9237 bytes Thread-Topic: Test 2 - test.gif (1/1) uuEncoded 9237 bytes Thread-Index: AcwMBYZR1rbCrnFyR6OatOlJFuoQ7g== Message-ID: 1aeujlwrwfpwy@deepthought.ena.si Accept-Language: sl-SI Content-Language: sl-SI X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthSource: hidden X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-Exchange-Organization-SenderIdResult: None X-MS-Exchange-Organization-PRD: eternallybored.org X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-virus-scanned: amavisd-new at konto.si x-face: *BXrgB!?f3cBwmeN:Q~Z[5F-qZK~t;k]KluGog=8Wl6qa@Rhn=(OL//@Zo*+3C1opTjt 7l,QM=h6[k:#^'6]0MuPu-@By.:}Io=wJ\]V4L,C`FM}a7R2oNq@Q8jY8`s)2^~@4o:FM}W1N n:~ixb-b:#nOD2|Eut% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 VGVzdCAyDQoNCi0tDQo8IEplcm5laiBTaW1vbsSNacSNID48Pjw+PD48PjwgaHR0cDovL2V0ZXJu YWxseWJvcmVkLm9yZy8gPg0KYmVnaW4gNjQ0IHRlc3QuZ2lmDQpNMVRFJi4jRUFGMCkrYD4/R2Bg YGBgYGBgP0BgYD9QYGBAYGAhQGBgIkBgYCNAYCQjQGBgJEBgYGBFUCQmDQpNPUAkJEAwYCVAYGAm QGBgJ0BgKCo7QGAoQGBgYEtQYClAYGAlRVBgKkBgKC07UGArQGBgMjdQYCxAYGAtDQpNQGBgLkBg YC9AYGArRVA4MjlgYDBAYDgyOmBgKEtQYDFAYDgzOVBgMkBgYDNAYDA4N0BgNEBgYDVAYDg5DQpN N0BgNkBgYDdAYGA4QGBgOUBgQDs4UGA6QGBAPDhAQDw4UGA7QGBgPEBgYD1AYGA+QGBgP0BgYEBA YGBBDQpNQGBgQkBgYENAYGBEQGBgRUBgYEZAYGBHQGBgSEAhLEg0MGBJQCRAJUBgYEpAITBJNDBg 8--- The Bat displays the attachment in both messages. -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.10 on Windows 7 6.1.7601.Service Pack 1 ] The most difficult light bulb to replace burns out first and most frequently. -- Occam's Electric Razor Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No Filters fix yet. Hardd to believe
Hello all, Yes, and 10 years ago headers were named kludges. and point is? There is even less reason to keep this feature in. All it does is cause confusion. Nothing more. OK, You are confused, still there is no reason to remove any feature You do not understand or not use. The question is: why would anyone want to use it? Like the first feature I mentioned it doesn't serve any purpose whatsoever, and it is a possible source of confusion. I do use it with other friends working on projects and it is good to know who replied to in long discussion without checking previous messages. I did not mention headers (kludges). It's some kind of URL, only useful for fellow Beta! users. fellow Beta! users? This is ridiculus! Check RFC 2111: http://www.rfc-archive.org/getrfc.php?rfc=2111 The Uniform Resource Locator (URL) schemes, cid: and mid: allow references to messages and the body parts of messages. For example, within a single multipart message, one HTML body part might include embedded references to other parts of the same message. In Forte Agent I can doubleclick on a Message-ID anywhere in the message and it finds the correct message. If I want to search for a malformed Beta! specific Message URL I have to open it in an editor and edit it. It's completely useless! useless for who? I am using it daily. Useless for Forte users? Maybe, but this is not TB's fault, this is correct behaviour. Ritlabs should have implemented a method like Agent uses in the first place, instead of inventing its own strange workaround. TB's own strange workaround? OMG And if other clients does not support it, this is reason to remove it from TB? Why?? Because it adds useless complexity into a mail client that's already bloated and bug-ridden. Ritlabs should grab any opportunity to remove crappy, bug-prone and/or idiosyncratic uselesness from the code in order to make it leaner, meaner and easier to use and maintain. OK, Your personal opinion. But they won't do that. Because Arjan told it? That's all? It's these and other features like mugshots and betamoticons that lead me to believe that Beta! developers and chronical beta! list habituals alike are living in a world of their own and are impervious and hostile towards input from outside. Like I said before: it just behaves like some kind of sect. You should comment something You understand and know about, somebody could call You stupid. As I see, You are here to create flames only, You should use another list instead. Thank You And thank you too for proving my point. this is list You are subscribed for many years, I still do not understand, why are You here so long, if You are writing words about habituals or sect now. Use link bellow for unsubscribe and You will be free. Thank You Imperviousness, hostility and obliviousness regarding things that really matter. You say I am dropping flame-bait, I say I am just speaking the (uneasy) truth. This is Your truth. I see no hostility here, never saw in past. Nobody forces us nor You to be here. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 5.0.12.1 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.6.4 Notebook Thinkpad, Core2 Duo 2.40 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
