Is the beta group dead?
Hello Tbbeta, OK ... it has been quiet here for a while. I didn't think much about that (it has happened before right after a big release), but I just got an email announcing 4.0.18 is available for download. So has the beta program died or is something else going on? -- Best regards, MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v4.0.0.8 (ALPHA) w/ on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Is the beta group dead?
Hello Mark, Wednesday, March 12, 2008, 8:20:11 AM, you wrote: MP Hello MikeD, MP Wednesday, March 12, 2008, 12:49:17 PM, you wrote: M2 OK ... it has been quiet here for a while. I didn't think much M2 about that (it has happened before right after a big release), but M2 I just got an email announcing 4.0.18 is available for download. M2 So has the beta program died or is something else going on? MP And where have you been since the latest big release? :-) MP CC-d to be sure this reply reaches you. I got the CC, but apparently something is blocking the regular list mailings :-/ I just checked and they are not sitting in my spam folder ... guess I will have to do some digging. Thanks for the reply Mark. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v4.0.0.8 (ALPHA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0.0.7 ALPHA
Hello Maxim, Friday, January 4, 2008, 3:39:16 PM, you wrote: MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/alpha/tba4007.rar MM [-] When viewing a valid S/MIME signature, and it was singed by a MM certificate which was issued by an intermediary CA that was stored MM in the user's account, viewing this certificate did show root not found error. MM [-] (#0006332) %SETEDITOR from account properties works for AB template. MM [-] clicking ShowURLManager AV MM [-] (#0006605) Vista : flickering progressbar in Connection centre dialog so far so good. But then I have not been having any problems with earlier alphas g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v4.0.0.7 (ALPHA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0.0.5 ALPHA
Hello Maxim, Sunday, December 30, 2007, 10:41:28 PM, you wrote: MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/alpha/tba4005.rar up and running. Do far so good. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v4.0.0.5 (ALPHA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.0.4 ALPHA
Hello Maxim, Thursday, December 27, 2007, 2:35:26 PM, you wrote: MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/alpha/tba4004.rar MM [*] The Bat! is now protected from patches. MM [-] Certificate import have caused AV (Beta issue) MM [-] Fixed a minor bug in folder compression. Seems to be fine here ... (assuming this ends up making it to the list g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v4.0.0.4 (ALPHA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0.0.2 ALPHA
Hello Maxim, Saturday, December 22, 2007, 8:45:43 AM, you wrote: MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tba4002.rar so far so good -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v4.0.0.2 (ALPHA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Mark, Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 2:54:38 PM, you wrote: MP Hello MikeD, MP Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 5:39:52 PM, you wrote: M2 Well ... I have no idea what the sender =intended= it look like wink M2 I can only say that I (normally) don't see anything that looks M2 wrong. Occasionally there will be a problem with the net and M2 something won't come down, but that would be a problem no matter what M2 you were using to display g MP Or, I wasn't accurate enough describing the case, or you misunderstood me. MP I'm talking about an html message with inline graphics, not a message with MP links to graphics on a remote server. If you click on the 'html icon' on MP the left side attachment list in such a case, besides the text, you get MP nothing but little red crosses. It was me not 'getting' your point, I think. Mostly because I haven't see a difference. Maybe I have just been lucky, but I never had something that didn't render correctly when I 'opened' the html version ... so I never really looked closely enough to see if the graphics were local or linked in from a site. MP If you receive a message in which inline and remote graphics (or text) MP are combined, you won't be able to see the total correct message in TB!. H ... is that in the preview or when you actually open it? As I said above, I have not run into one that didn't render correctly when I clicked on the HTML attachment and I really don't worry too much about what it looks like in the preview ... as long as I can tell who it is from and what is likely in it. MP It's not often that one receives such a message, but it happens, and those MP can be genuine (I mean written/sent without evil intentions) messages. MP Some people seem to specialise in such a style... Right ... we all know what we want g And in the hopes that tptb at Rit are listening ... fwiw, I have been accused of being a polyanna chuckle ... I have tried to voice my preferences and the reasons behind them. That does not mean that someone else's view isn't just as valid. Of course I =hope= that they will end up with things that I like, but when they don't wink I will evaluate and continue with the current version or move to the new one ... depending on my evaluations. I just didn't want folks to think that I was trying to say that their pet feature was wrong of should not be considered just because I don't happen to think it helps make TB better ... or something like that weg -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.29 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Gunivortus, Monday, December 10, 2007, 9:23:40 AM, you wrote: GG Hi Thomas, Come on! While I also receive newsletters I want to see *with* pictures, there is no need to use Incredimail! Eudora, Outlook, a myriad of email clients can do this. Are you pulling our legs? GG From the beginning of its first release, IM was better in GG HTML displaying as those you're mentioning; so I bought it GG and use it since then for my e-zines, etc, asking from time GG to time for adding full html display in TB. GG I never ever used Eudora or Outlook, nor did and do I plan that. GG So I can't agree they're better or not than IM. I don't bother. GG I just want TB doing it all, one emailclient should be sufficient GG if it can all I need. GG And there's a lot others asked, that I don't need; GG No backupfunction, (I make my images), no RSS, no IMAP, no GG calendar, no Linuxversion (ack!). OK ... All I do is click on the 'html icon' on the left side attachment list and ... glorisoki, my HTML content is rendered by Firefox. No muss no fuss. What am I missing in this discussion? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.29 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Thomas, Monday, December 10, 2007, 8:50:49 AM, you wrote: TF Hello Jens, TF On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:36:39 +0100 GMT (10/12/2007, 20:36 +0700 GMT), TF Jens Franik wrote: JF I'd neither have an HTML View as Default or Unchangable Setting. TF This won't happen. HTML view will always be an option, with plaintext TF preffered by many. JF Any Content, which is not included in the Mail(s) has not to be JF displayed until i give explicitly permission to access the JF Internet for this. TF Agreed. The suggestion is to allow this permission. It is not possible TF now. TF Another wish (this seems to have gotten lost while the thread TF progressed) is a real HTML editor, for those who want to use it. I TF have situations in the office were I need to reply to HTML mail in TF HTML, keeping the format (tables or colours), and maybe add some TF pictures in the middle. I am ridiculed in the office because my email TF client can't do what is standard on many others. I would rather that TB =not= get bogged down with all the bloat (and the cost in terms of development hours) needed to implement a fully functional HTML editor ... especially when there are plenty of them available already. When I have to include HTML, I use the HTML editor I already own, have installed and already **know how to use efficiently** to develop the content, then cut paste that into TB. OK ... I have stated my case and will stop now g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.29 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Mark, Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 8:14:06 AM, you wrote: MP Hello MikeD, MP Tuesday, December 11, 2007, 1:33:58 PM, you wrote: M2 OK ... All I do is click on the 'html icon' on the left side M2 attachment list and ... glorisoki, my HTML content is rendered by M2 Firefox. No muss no fuss. What am I missing in this discussion? MP Now, do that with an html-message in which the graphics are sent along with MP the message. MP Does it look as intended by the sender? Well ... I have no idea what the sender =intended= it look like wink I can only say that I (normally) don't see anything that looks wrong. Occasionally there will be a problem with the net and something won't come down, but that would be a problem no matter what you were using to display g MP What if, f.i., you wanted to make a pdf of such a message? Never came up ... but I would have the same problem if I wanted to save any 'web page' as a pdf. I suppose I would just open up Open Office, paste the doc in there and save it shrug And I should point out that saving in PDF format is not typically something one thinks of as an integral part of an HTML editor ... at least it isn't a feature that I worry about. If I am working with HTML, I want a web page out of it not a PDF. I would use a publisher type package for that. Maybe I am just too much of a dinosaur from decades of using Unix and Linux shrug I like software to be really good at one thing and not bloated up, slowed down and obscured with a ton of features that more properly belongs in some other program. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.29 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Martin, Monday, December 10, 2007, 3:40:57 AM, you wrote: MS Hello Sebastian, MS Friday, October 12, 2007, 8:39:05 PM, you wrote: What normal user expect is: 1. HTML templates 2. HTML pictures MS Yes, that is important. More and more newsletters are not readable MS without showing the pcitures. And that drives me nuts sigh I am quite happy with the text only view as the default and hope that does not go away ... at least as an option! 3. Account like in OE (example: one Incoming folder for couple Accounts) MS No go. If it is optional I don't mind. But that is one of the reasons MS I never would use Outlook as mail client for more than one account. I MS simply need the separation of the incoming accounts. MS If you really do want that then make a gerneric incoming folder and MS define a filtering rule. You can have either 'action' with either system. A single in box folder is easy enough to set up in TB. But it is almost as easy to do the opposite with IE (and just about any other client that has filters g) 4. Improved backup and folder/message maintenance (.bin files problems) 5. RSS native support MS Would be nice to have. Also like newsgroups. But let's focus on the MS main task of The Bat: mails... ;) Right. I am distressed at the tendency of programs to keep growing and expanding into 'swiss army programs'. While, in a pinch, it might be nice to have a single emergency tool that will do everything, the never have been able to make one that does everything as well as the specific tools. I want a mail client that is the best mail client possible. I don't want to compromize that so that it can get messages from a news reader ... I already have a great newsreader that does a great job of working with news groups ... which is different than getting email in many small ways that makes a combined tool less than optimum in both instances. 6. better IMAP 7. better calendar and exchange support MS At least a calendering feature that supports WEBDAV or similar MS protocols. That also would make it possible to use ZIMBRA as MS mailserver. Again, keep the calendar function in the calendar program and not in my mail client (see above rant wink) I already have one that works well enough!! 8. Linux version MS Would be nice too, but I think when The Bat runs via Wine it also is MS fine, isn't it? That =might= be a nice additional bullet point some day. I think it should be a low priority item ... at least for now. 9. ldap v3 with TLS/SSL MS More important is that you would have the choice even to override MS invalid protocols (in case one is expired or something like that). What I expect: 1. Bugfixes MS Of course. Not many bugs that need fixing in what I use. And the more 'new features' you add, the more bugs you will create. 2. News and RSS native support MS Would be very nice. As stated above, please don't invest any time in this. Lets stay focused on the reason for TB, email 3. HTML tamplates and pictures MS At least the pictures are a MUST. As long as I can preview in text and open the HTML if desired (that is what it does now ... and mostly without problem, for me anyway) 4. PocketPC version with synchronization MS As I don't have a pocketPC version... However this feature isn't as MS important as it looks like. When you have an IMAP functionality then MS it is enough for the mails. However there should be a possibility to MS synchronise Calendar and Contacts. MS But I don't think that this is a task for the mail client. This better MS is implemented on the mailserver (e.g. synchronisation with Active MS Sync over the air). And as soon as you say Pocket PC, you need to include Palm in the mix as well. There are more Palm based devices out there than Pocket PC ... at least that was the case the last time I looked at the numbers. 5. Mouse gestures MS Well, I do like them but I never missed them in The Bat... Ugh Mostly I don't find those particularly useful. But as long as they don't get in the way of using TB ... g 6. ACAP implementation for auto-choose best secure connection to server MS Nice to have. But I also didn't miss that yet... I agree that it =might= be nice for folks when they are 'on the move' with a laptop. Mostly I have not had need of it, however, and so would not give it a high priority. But that is just me. My needs are fairly simple and that is what I want, something simple and focused that does the best possible job possible on the one task I need it to do, work with my email. It is damned close to that now for me. So as long as we don't mess with that success, I am willing to take a look and the new ideas g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.29 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
Re: 3.99.29
Hello Maxim, Wednesday, October 31, 2007, 11:09:28 AM, you wrote: MM 3.99.29 is the same as 3.99.27.2, but wrapped in the MSI. MM It only fixes the plugin api bug of 3.99.27. The IntPack has left unchanged. Plugins working fine here too. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.29 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The Bat! 3.99.27.2 fixed Plug-In for me
Hello tbbeta, Well, good news! OK ... so I had to wait a while to get enough mail for this thing to have something to 'chew on', but this version seems to have fixed the problem I was having with Agava anti-spam. It seems to be happily filtering spam again g -- Best regards, MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.27.2 w/ on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.99.27.2 fixed Plug-In for me
Hello Martin, Tuesday, October 30, 2007, 2:33:37 PM, you wrote: MS Hi MikeD MS On Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:28:58 PM you wrote: Well, good news! OK ... so I had to wait a while to get enough mail for this thing to have something to 'chew on', but this version seems to have fixed the problem I was having with Agava anti-spam. It seems to be happily filtering spam again g MS Where is 3.99.27.2 ? I found this link in a previous message: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb399272.rar -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.27.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[7]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Paul, Monday, October 15, 2007, 8:46:02 AM, you wrote: PVN 10/15/2007 8:31 AM PVN Hi MikeD, PVN On 10/15/2007 MikeD (2) wrote: M2 very attractive to the geek community. They picked up in it early. M2 When they went to help out their tech-challenged friends who had M2 gotten 'clobbered' by some 'problem' in IE, they would tell them to M2 use this here program. PVN Hmm... Opera was around waay before Firefox and is waay more secure. A PVN quick check at Secunia will confirm this. As I recall PVN Firebird/Firefox started as a way to get rid of Netscape bloat and PVN then morphed into the secure replacement for IE. If you want a safe PVN browser get it here: http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/ See its security PVN history here: http://secunia.com/product/15549/?task=advisories At that time, however, Opera did not work well with many sites. There are still a lot of sites where Opera does not render correctly. That is what has kept Opera as an 'also ran', unfortunate as that might be. M2 I cannot use TB for MSN now M2 that MS has changed the authentication (yet again sigh). PVN What a wonderful opportunity to move to a more positive email host! PVN 8-]} I still (possibly because of familiarity) prefer TB over the alternatives. OE is still 'brain dead', Thunderbird is not as useful to me (I use that on a company box since I can't have personal email there). I am still confident that eventually TB will catch up with MSN and their new authentication 'scheme' g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: The Bat! 4.0
Hello Gleason, Sunday, October 14, 2007, 5:59:25 PM, you wrote: GP I remember a techie friend in the early days of Firebird saying that GP it was superior because it introduced tabs. He didn't seem to think GP that Netscape had tabs. Never heard of Opera. So what was the GP secret? How did Moz get noticed? The thing about FF was that it offered improvements over IE in the areas of functionality, but more importantly, security. That made it very attractive to the geek community. They picked up in it early. When they went to help out their tech-challenged friends who had gotten 'clobbered' by some 'problem' in IE, they would tell them to use this here program. Then the tech journals picked up on it ... and then the main stream press got wind ... etc. I don't know that the same tactic will work here. For one thing, there are a lot of mail clients out there. When FF came out there were just a couple out there. Look at all the mail clients and some of them are quite functional. The other problem is that the 'benefits' are not as 'clear' in this situation. For example, I cannot use TB for MSN now that MS has changed the authentication (yet again sigh). -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [The Bat! 3.99.24] AV while creating message
Hello Volker, Thursday, August 30, 2007, 7:17:31 AM, you wrote: VA ·---·-Date---· VA | QA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] | 2007-08-30 | VA ·---·· VA Hello, folks! VA While creating a new message I hit the shortcut for Mark as Junk by VA mistake and got the following AV: VA --- VA The Bat! VA --- VA Access violation at address 0091ACF9 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address . VA --- VA OK VA --- VA Confirmations? I am getting something like that ... but only on folders with a large number of messages (happens with one with just over 200 messages, but not on one with just over 50 ... don't have anything in between at the moment). I first get an out of memory message. On the folder with ~200 messages it can show the list of messages, but not show the selected message in the preview. On a folder with over 3000 I do not even get the message list. Anything I do after that ... move the message pointer, move to another folder, etc. ... generates the AV. Unfortunately that only happened the first time I ran TB after the install. After I shut it down and restarted it, the behavior has been normal. I wonder if it could just have been a problem with 'debris' from the install? Or perhaps the 'folder clean-up' at close fixed the problem shrug Can't tell now since it seems to be working fine now g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.24 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [The Bat! 3.99.24] AV while creating message
M2 Hello Volker, M2 Thursday, August 30, 2007, 7:17:31 AM, you wrote: VA ·---·-Date---· VA | QA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] | 2007-08-30 | VA ·---·· VA Hello, folks! VA While creating a new message I hit the shortcut for Mark as Junk by VA mistake and got the following AV: VA --- VA The Bat! VA --- VA Access violation at address 0091ACF9 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address . VA --- VA OK VA --- VA Confirmations? M2 I am getting something like that ... but only on folders with a large M2 number of messages (happens with one with just over 200 messages, but M2 not on one with just over 50 ... don't have anything in between at the M2 moment). M2 I first get an out of memory message. On the folder with ~200 M2 messages it can show the list of messages, but not show the selected M2 message in the preview. On a folder with over 3000 I do not even get M2 the message list. Anything I do after that ... move the message M2 pointer, move to another folder, etc. ... generates the AV. M2 Unfortunately that only happened the first time I ran TB after the M2 install. After I shut it down and restarted it, the behavior has been M2 normal. I wonder if it could just have been a problem with 'debris' M2 from the install? Or perhaps the 'folder clean-up' at close fixed the M2 problem shrug Can't tell now since it seems to be working fine now M2 g Well I guess I spoke too soon. After I sent that message and moved around a bit I am back to getting the Out of Memory error and then the AV is back. Just rebooted and not having a problem. I will spend some time gathering info about this to see if I can narrow it down some. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.24 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: [The Bat! 3.99.24] AV while creating message
Hello Paul, Thursday, August 30, 2007, 1:38:24 PM, you wrote: PVN 8/30/2007 1:35 PM PVN Hi MikeD, PVN On 8/30/2007 MikeD (2) wrote: M2 Well I guess I spoke too soon. After I sent that message and moved M2 around a bit I am back to getting the Out of Memory error and then the M2 AV is back. Just rebooted and not having a problem. I will spend M2 some time gathering info about this to see if I can narrow it down M2 some. PVN It seems to be an available RAM or swap file issue. Depending on what PVN is going on it is even possible that it is a video chip issue. Task PVN Manager [Ctrl]+[Shift]+[Esc] might shed some light on the issue. I'll certainly be using that as I try to zero in on the specific steps needed to cause the problem. But I should point out that I never had any 'memory' or 'AV' issues with any of the '.99' builds before this one. And even if this is a non-TB 'system problem' with my system with running out of resources ... I have no quarrel with the 'Out of RAM' message (if that is indeed happening). But I should not get an AV g. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.24 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thanks
Hello 9Val, Hope you have great success at your new job. It has been great working with you here. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.13 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 3.99.7
Hello Roger, Wednesday, May 23, 2007, 7:36:06 AM, you wrote: RP Hello Maxim, RP Friday, May 18, 2007, 6:32:09 PM, among other things, you wrote: MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39907.rar RP Installing this version resulted in all of my filter trees being partially RP destroyed. Has anyone else had this problem? RP I have got things back to normal by using the very tedious 'Restore RP filters' feature. Putting the 'Orphan filters' of all categories into one RP single list is not very user friendly; surely the orphans could at least RP be categorised as 'incoming', 'outgoing' etc? FWIW, Mine came through OK ... but mine are pretty simple. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 3.99.6
Hello Martin, Thursday, May 10, 2007, 11:41:43 AM, you wrote: MS Hi Maxim MS On Thursday, May 10, 2007 5:37:40 PM you wrote: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/file3/the_bat/beta/tbb39906.rar MS I think it should be MS http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39906.rar I would agree since yours worked Martin and Maxim's gave a 404 g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.05 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 3.99 MSI
Hello Maxim, Friday, April 20, 2007, 12:38:04 PM, you wrote: MM Hello Tbbeta, MM Could you please test 3.99 MSIs: MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-99-1.msi MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_3-99-1.msi MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_3-99-1.msi (Russian MSI) So far ... so good g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.01 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 3.98.15: Memory usage
Hello Vili, Thursday, April 19, 2007, 9:01:44 AM, you wrote: V I had TB running all night, auto check at 5 min on 1 MAPI account. V Original 16 MB mem/12 MB VM went up to 30/40 MB. V Not good... Well I noticed that when I first start up, TB uses little mem between 15 and 20 meg. Once I have gotten mail the first time it goes up a bit to between 30 and 35 meg. But it stays there pretty much from then on. Of course I have not had it running for more than a few hours so far g But I have done several gets and a few sends as well and while it might go up a few meg *during* the get, it drops back down to that 30-35 meg range as soon as the connection is done. FWIW, TB, even at the 30-35 size, is still using less mem than FF with one tab/window open or MS word, so I don't find that number out of hand or anything (although if it was smaller that would certainly be better wink) -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.98.15 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.98.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 3.98.14
Hello Maxim, Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 5:46:24 AM, you wrote: MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39814.rar MM [-] Mail chat problem with national characters MM [-] Memory leak when a new message was stored into a folder (beta .12 issue) Do far so good g I watched and it seems to be releasing all it's memory during the DL process now. Thanks. But I will be keeping an eye on it for a while, just the same wink -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.98.14 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.98.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mighty memory leak?
Hello Michal, Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 12:11:25 AM, you wrote: MP I thought Firefox would be the ultimate memory-eater, but it seems MP like The Bat! 3.98.12 beats all :) MP The screenshot shows Bat's memory usage on my computer after a couple MP of hours running. First column is Mem Usage, second is VM Size. Yes, MP that is well over 900MB :) Yup, I had to dig out task manager to track down who was causing the 'Out of Virtual Memory' warning and it was TB. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.98.12 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.98.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Freezing of TB with dialog asking login/passw when IMAP account with more tasks is used?
Hello all, Here is a bit more detail on the memory problem. Based on how I see the memory disappearing, it seems to be more problematical at message download. It *seems* as if it is allocating mem for each message as it is retrieved but not releasing it properly once the message is written onto the HD. Hope that helps. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.98.12 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.98.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 3.96.08 (BETA)
Hello Maxim, Friday, February 16, 2007, 12:26:22 PM, you wrote: MM Hello Tbbeta, MM [-] The AV on exit issue? MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39608.rar Well to be honest, I was not having a 'repeatable' enough problem to tell easily. For the last couple of updates I have been able to start and stop with out problems. It was only after running for some amount of time that I would have an AV when I closed. The longer / more work I did the more likely it would be. I only had one crash on 3.96.07. So far so good with this one too g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.96.8 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.96.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.96.03 (BETA) is now available
Hello 9Val, Monday, February 5, 2007, 5:38:02 PM, you wrote: 9 Hello , 9 The Bat! 3.96.03 (BETA) is now available from: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ 9 Here is a short list of changes: 9 [-] AVs on exit It seems to have 'fixed' the 'error' at close that I was having with 3.96.01. Since it did not cause any real problems, I didn't worry too much about it at the time wink -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.96.03 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.96.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: bayesit.msi
Hello Bob, Tuesday, December 26, 2006, 1:39:36 PM, you wrote: BR My question has to do with the spam filtering plugin - I have started BR to use the free version of Spam Sniper for TB. I have not used BR BayesIt. Does one of you long time TB users have reasons for or BR against using either of those two plugins? I used BayesIt for a long time. On the plus side, BayesIt was the only filter I used that never gave me a false positive, something that I weigh pretty highly. But, as someone else mentioned, it takes a lot of mail to train it (I used to keep a couple thousand spam and ham messages around for those time when I had to retrain it g) My other complaint was that it tended to 'get lost' as to what was spam over time and I would have to dump the training base and re-train (hence the large training sample wink) It worked ... OK for me, but I have moved on to Agava's anti-spam for TB. TB is more stable with it installed and it learns pretty quickly. But it is not free. But it is pretty affordable, less than $20 when I last looked. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.95.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.95.05 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: bayesit.msi
Hello Gunivortus, Wednesday, December 27, 2006, 7:08:02 AM, you wrote: GG Quite awhile ago, a new version of AGAVA was announced here. GG I asked several times, directly through their webpage, about GG it, never got any answer. GG Two times I needed and asked for support, neither got any GG answer too on my emails. GG So, at least towards me, the support of AGAVA is awful bad. GG That's why I'm thinking of stepping over to another GG antispam tool. I have not needed support ... yet, so cannot comment on it. Sorry you didn't have a good experience with them ... since it means that my posterior may be 'flapping in the wind' if I ever need support :-/ -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.95.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.95.05 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.95.02
Hello Maxim, Thursday, December 21, 2006, 3:12:34 PM, you wrote: MM Hello Tbbeta, MM 3.95.02 is available at MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb39502.rar MM [+] Server information: you can unpack the ServersInfo folder MM with *.dsi files to the same folder with thebat.exe, and, when you MM will be creating a new account, you will be offered default MM settings. Please try this feature. MM [-] Fixed wrapping in the splash screen MM [-] Invalid national characters in the message dispatcher. MM [-] National characters were invalid in the connection manager's log. MM [-] (#0006133) OpenPGP Key Manager always caused an Access MM Violation. It is not possible to administrate the Keys. MM Well, what ever was causing a problem with the MSI giving me a 404, it did not affect this DL g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.11 beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.95.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.95.03
Hello Maxim, Friday, December 22, 2006, 2:33:02 PM, you wrote: MM Hello Tbbeta, MM [-] (#0006134) Access violation message under Windows 2000 and MM below when connecting to dotted-decimal IP addresses. MM [-] Bug with permanent main form activation under Win9x MM Please note that this version is not yet fully compatible with Win9x. MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-95-03-christmas.msi MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_3-95-03-christmas.msi FWIW, this one is DLing just fine g I'll have it installed in just a bit. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.95.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.95.03
Hello Marek, Friday, December 22, 2006, 2:58:41 PM, you wrote: MM Hello all, MM Friday, December 22, 2006, Maxim Masiutin wrote: MM installed without problem, running OK now. Same here! -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.95.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: thebat_pro_3-95-01.msi thebat_home_3-95-01.msi
Hello Peter, Tuesday, December 19, 2006, 1:00:23 PM, you wrote: PM Hi Maxim, PM on Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:40:59 +0200GMT (19.12.2006, 18:40 +0100GMT here), PM you wrote: MM Could you please test MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-95-01.msi MM and MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_3-95-01.msi MM which are based on 3.86.11? PM I'm sorry, but I'm getting a 404. I am getting 404 as well on both Home (the one I *do* have) and the pro links sigh -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.11 beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.86.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: error 404
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, December 19, 2006, 3:03:10 PM, you wrote: MM Hello Tbbeta, MM the following URLs should work: MM https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-95-01.msi MM https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_3-95-01.msi MM if you had previously downloaded these MSIs, please uninstall MM them and install the new files. I am still getting 404 :-/ -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.11 beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.86.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: error 404
Hello MAU, Wednesday, December 20, 2006, 7:39:22 AM, you wrote: M Hello MikeD, I am still getting 404 :- M Keep reading till you get to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] from M Maxim :) Yeah, I found that one later and replied to it as well sigh Still no joy. Not sure why. This is the first time I have had a DL problem :-/ -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.11 beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.86.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: ASCII
Hello Alexander, Thursday, August 3, 2006, 5:22:29 PM, you wrote: ASK Hello Vili everyone else, ASK on 03-Aug-2006 at 20:36 you (Vili) wrote: ASCII goes upto 255, not? ASK I thought that ascii in the strict sense was only 7bit, not 8bit? Both have standards. There is a '7 bit ASCII standard' and there is an '8 bit ASCII standard' as well. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.81.13 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.81.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bayesit! Confusion
Hello Bill, Thursday, July 13, 2006, 2:52:23 PM, you wrote: BM Hello TB Users and Beta Lists, BM I had been using Bayesit! for a few years with fairly good BM success on my laptop. About two months ago, my laptop BM developed a hardware problem and I switched to my wife's BM desktop (XP Pro SP2). BM I have been training Bayesit! from scratch and have had it BM catch nothing :-( BM Turning on logging, I discovered that Bayesit! appeared a BM bit confused. From my log file: BM C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesitbase\spamdict.bye BM C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesitbase\nspamdict.bye BM Spam frequency dictionary: BM Error loading file. May be it is corrupted or lost. BM Non-spam frequency dictionary: BM Error loading file. May be it is corrupted or lost. BM Dictionary didn't load. Continue in training mode... BM No current recalculation session. Silent exiting... BM There is, of course, no such bayesitbase subdirectory. BM Looking at the Bayesit! configuration (under Basic filter's BM options), I noticed that I had browsed to BM c:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesit for the working directory. BM When I manually added the trailing backslash, the log file BM showed me that it could now find both spamdict.bye and BM nspamdict.bye. BM That was just a few days ago and Bayesit! has still not BM found any spam (I guess training is just starting now). BM However, looking at the Information page is see: BM Spam frequency dictionary: BM C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesit\\base\spamdict.bye BM Size: 1386 letters. BM Capacity: 81940 words. BM Non-spam frequency dictionary: BM C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesit\\base\nspamdict.bye BM Size: 13135 letters. BM Capacity: 649383 words. BM Current active dictionary: BM Currently active dictionary contains 155617 words. BM Status: OK BM Please notice the '\\' in those filenames. BM Anyone else seeing these problems? BM I am currently running the most recent announced beta, BM although I do not believe this is a beta issue - so I am BM including both mailing lists. It has been a while since I used Bayesit, but IIRC, you go into Options, Preferences. Select Anti-Spam, highlight bayesit in the window and select properties. I think that is where you can tell it where to put it's data files. You should be able to delete the extra slash there. Then you want to be sure that the directory exists and see if you can find the default files that need to be there ... I don't remember if there is one or two that has to be there, but it will recreate the dictionary and such if they do not exist. But it will not create a directory. Sorry, that is all I remember. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.81.07 Beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.81.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bayes plugin?
Hello Matt, Friday, March 3, 2006, 12:09:55 PM, you wrote: MT I am drawing a complete blank. What is the name of the Bayes plugin for MT TB and what is the url? I'm of course looking for a plugin that will MT work with 3.71.03. There are at least three. BayesIt is, I think available at Rit labs. There is Bayes Filter that some like better than BayesIt. I believe that both of those are free. I am currently using AGAVA anti spam. It is not free but works better than either of the free ones and at only $12 for the Bat plugin, is pretty near free g http://www.antispamservant.com/ -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.71.01 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Strangeness w/ replies using 2 accounts
Hello tbbeta, I originally thought that this was something new, but checking find it goes back at least to 3.70.03 (the earliest version I still had around) and perhaps earlier. I didn't notice it until today when I went looking for one of my sent mails. I have two accounts, 'miked(1)' and 'miked(2)' Most of the generic stuff uses miked(2) but miked(1) is the first one in the account list. What I noticed is that when I reply to a message that is in one of the respective inbox folders, everything works as expected. The message copy shows up in the appropriate Sent box. However I noticed a problem when I reply to a message that has been 'filtered' to a top level folder. Most of the folders have been set to use the miked(2) email address, and that is the address that is in the messages when I reply. However, when I send them, they seem to be going through the miked(1) account even though they have the miked(2) address. At least I find the copy in the Sent folder for the miked(1) account instead of the expected miked(2) Sent folder. Is this a known behavior? Is it a bug or is it a limitation/feature? It is certainly not a show stopper, but it does seem strange to me. TIA -- Best regards, MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.70.08 Qigong (Beta) w/ on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.70.08 quot;Qigongquot; | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Strangeness w/ replies using 2 accounts
Hello Alexander, Thursday, February 9, 2006, 4:32:20 PM, you wrote: ASK Hello MikeD (2) everyone else, ASK I assume that the top level folders you are referring to are not Common ASK folders (maybe you care to explain what you mean exactly with top level ASK folders). In that case, the information to which *account* the originating ASK message was sent to is preserved. Yes, sorry, I couldn't remember the correct term. Common Folders. ASK I furthermore assume that you're *not* using the %ACCOUNT macro to set the ASK address, but simply the folder identity. That only sets the email address ASK and name, but not the account to be used. Ahhh! ASK If these assumptions are correct, the behaviour is correct. Maybe you ASK should create a reply template that uses %ACCOUNT=miked(2), and ASK everything should be as you except it. Thanks I will 'fix' my templates. g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.70.08 Qigong (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.70.08 quot;Qigongquot; | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.70.07 Qigong (Beta) is now available
Hello Roelof, Thursday, February 2, 2006, 9:49:56 AM, you wrote: RO Hallo Miguel, RO On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:40:56 +0100GMT (2-2-2006, 12:40 +0100, where I RO live), you wrote: The Bat! 3.70.07 Qigong (Beta) is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ M I am not sure exactly when or how it happened but after a TB re-start I M found I had lost all my customisations. No big problem because I keep M several backup copies of my tbuser.def file. RO Can't confirm. RO Though currently my only customization is 'No toolbars' I do not have many customizations either, just a few key assignments, but they 'stuck' going from .06 to .07. However they were 'lost' during another update ... I think it was .03 to .06, but it might have been an earlier update. Miguel, was yours a .06 to .07 or did you come from an earlier version? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.70.07 Qigong (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.70.07 quot;Qigongquot; | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Fwd: Strange send behavior (ver 3.63.09)
Hello tbbeta, I just managed to get around to installing the .09 version and noticed this strangeness when I send a message (reply or new mail). I get the 'pop-up' message asking to save a copy of the message when I click send. This is the same dialog I see when I click to close a message without sending it. The message *is* sent ... and in fact will finish sending without waiting for me to select a response in the dialog box. 1.) if this is already reported, sorry. I didn't see it in a quick review by subject. 2.) is anyone else seeing this? If so, is this an expected behavior (i.e. a feature)? If so, can it be disabled? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Fwd: Strange send behavior (ver 3.63.09)
Hello MAU Mary, Thanks for the confirmation. I have been somewhat busy with end of year and so have not been able to keep up as well as I would like. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Cannot send from mail created from email link.
Hello Alexander, Monday, November 28, 2005, 12:52:11 PM, you wrote: ASK When I think about it, it could be related to this bug: ASK http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5367 Yes, that seems to pretty well cover what is happening. Thanks. I have confirmed there and will be watching that bug now. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.05 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.05 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Cannot send from mail created from email link.
Hello TBBETA, If I click on an embedded 'mail to' link in a message I get strange behavior. First I do not get the 'from' address filled in as I would if I clicked to reply to the message that has the link or if I started a new message from that folder. Secondly the send the message and Put message in outbox icons are swapped in the upper left of the message window. Then I select a from address and composed the message as normal. No problems there. But when I click either the send or save buttons, nothing happens. I do get the appropriate pop-up confirmation button box, but the message is not sent or put in the outbox. I cannot do anything with the message except to cancel it. I took a quick look and did not see any other messages that *seemed* to be addressing this issue, but I did not read everything so I apologize if I missed this problem from someone else. This has just started happening within the last few updates. I am not sure of the exact time, but I know it worked correctly early in the 3.62 series. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.05 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.05 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Cannot send from mail created from email link.
Hello Alexander, Monday, November 28, 2005, 11:28:28 AM, you wrote: ASK Sorry Mike, I can not confirm any of the above (tried with the mailto link ASK in your signature, a test message should arrive any minute). Do you have a ASK screwed up folder template in place maybe? Well I thought about that, but wouldn't that also mess up replies? They work fine. Also, can a template change the order of the buttons? If it is just me, I may try un-installing and then re-installing when I have some time. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.05 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.05 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Cannot send from mail created from email link.
Hello Alexander, Monday, November 28, 2005, 12:52:11 PM, you wrote: ASK When I think about it, it could be related to this bug: ASK http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5367 I'll check that out in a bit (probably tomorrow now) ... ASK The bug is about the folder templates NOT working when using the new ASK message function. Now, if you are on a folder that has a folder template, ASK and that folder happens to be a common folder with no identity set, it ASK could be that you run into this very problem. I should try that myself ASK before philosophising about this any further. :-) Thanks, I will experiment and see what I can figure out. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.05 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.05 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[6]: BayesIt doesn't work as it should
Hello rmorris, Friday, October 7, 2005, 2:32:47 PM, you wrote: rrgc Hello MikeD, rrgc Get Agava=it works!!! That's a new one, I'll e looking it over. I'll let you all know what I decide/find. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.10 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.11 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: BayesIt doesn't work as it should (was: S*P*A*M)
Hello Alexander, Tuesday, October 4, 2005, 4:08:15 PM, you wrote: ASK Hello Wolffe everyone else, ASK on 04-Okt-2005 at 22:45 you (Wolffe) wrote: Is there anyway one can reverse the overtraining? ASK Just an idea. ASK You could keep the most recent spam mails, 30 days or so, reset the bayesit ASK database and then train it anew with the spam mails you kept for spam and ASK your sent mail folder for ham. You beat me to that. It is something that I started doing when I started beta testing and was having to retrain BayesIt when things did not go well g I have kept doing that every month or two. Maybe that is why I have not been having as much touble as others. Also, something that is seldom mentioned, be sure to have penty of 'Ham' for your training as well. Just feeding it spam will make it think everything is spam. You want at least as much ham as spam when you train. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: BayesIt doesn't work as it should
Hello Paul, Monday, October 3, 2005, 4:50:58 PM, you wrote: PVN Novocon at: PVN http://www.novocon.net/ndexspec.html?refid=findanisp.comrefsessid=3725643 PVN offers access for $7.95/mo. and they do not block port 25. It is not a problem of port 25 being blocked. It is a different authentication methode. Since you have TB, look at the authentication methods. You will see one that is specific to microsoft software called NLM. It is a different authentication than anyone else uses sigh TB is the only 3rd party client that I ever found that supports it. But I did stop looking once I found it wink -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[6]: BayesIt doesn't work as it should
Hello Paul, Tuesday, October 4, 2005, 6:41:17 AM, you wrote: PVN 10/4/2005 7:39 AM PVN Hi MikeD, PVN On 10/4/2005 MikeD (2) wrote: M2 It is not a problem of port 25 being blocked. It is a different M2 authentication methode. Since you have TB, look at the authentication M2 methods. You will see one that is specific to microsoft software M2 called NLM. It is a different authentication than anyone else uses M2 sigh TB is the only 3rd party client that I ever found that M2 supports it. But I did stop looking once I found it wink PVN Understood. I was attempting to rescue you from MSN and save you money PVN while gaining flexibility to do what you want instead of being told PVN what you can't do. Ahhh ... but you see I still get MSN as a perk from when I did beta work for them weg Besides, how could give up such a great address that I have had for over 10 years! g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: BayesIt doesn't work as it should
Hello Peter, Monday, October 3, 2005, 3:06:33 PM, you wrote: PM There is not much to deal with, once installed and set up for the PM accounts. :shrug: Unfortunately I could never get proxies like K9 to connect to MSN's servers. They use a sigh proprietary authentication (imagine that MS being proprietary :-/ ) method that is not widely supported (but TB does vbg) -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: BayesIt doesn't work as it should (was: S*P*A*M)
Hello Stuart, Monday, October 3, 2005, 2:34:52 PM, you wrote: SC I get too many false positives as it is I could not lower the SC threshold. No, if you are getting false positives you need to make the threshold number larger not smaller. SC I followed a lead someone else left to check to see if my SC ISP was adding a spam line. While this was not my problem I am now SC using it to send anything with a header x-smartermail-spam: to my Junk SC folder and will see if this works OK. So far so good. SC This is just a workaround though as only half my mail goes through SC this ISP and the other ISP don't provide this service. Well talk to Peter and the other very satisfied proxy based anti-spams like K9, Spam Assasin, etc. They are quite happy with them. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
more 3.61.04 buglettes
Hello tbbeta, None of these are show stoppers but it is frustrating that some of these are bugs that were fixed in an earlier version and are now back ... again sigh The problem of Ctrl-A Delete (and other commands) not working unless one of the messages is selected is back. The micro-Ed problem not reformatting an HTML message that is converted to plain text using Options/Message Format is still present too. -- Best regards, MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.04 beta w/BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.04 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: The Bat! 3.61.04 BETA
Hello Maxim, OK ... I still have the 'weirdnesss' in the folder list window and I think I have it nailed down as to how to 'trigger' it now. expand enough folders so that your list exceeds one window and the scroll bars appear. Scroll down the list so that the top of the list is off the screen. Now collapse enough folders so that the list is no longer bigger than one window, but leave the top of the list off the top of the window. At this point you still have the scroll bar along the right side of the folder window. Click anywhere on the scroll bar and it will vanish and the top of the folder list will still be off the top of the window (Often it will scroll most of the list off the top of the window). You now have to use keyboard commands to get the top of the list back down into the window. I am curious to know if anyone else is able to duplicate this ... or is it just me? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.04 beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.04 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.61.03 nits still around
Hello tbbeta, The folder list scroll bar still misbehaves occasionally, disappearing even while much of the folder list is up off the top of the window. FWIW, it has never done this while the folder list was scrolled off the bottom of the window. But I don't know if that is just because I have not done ... well what ever it is that triggers this or it does not happen in that situation. More if I discover it. Next, there is still a problem with formatting ... re-wrapping lines in particular ... when I select to reply to an HTML message and then use the Options/Message Format to select plain text - micro ed. However if I delete the HTML from the source message and then reply, it works fine. Most of the times this is not a problem, but some times I want to keep the HTML message intact yet send a plain text reply. Finally ... when scrolling between windows there is a problem. This is probably related to a similar problem from an earlier version. If no message is loaded, then everything works as expected. Tab will cycle between the folder list and message list (and find window if that is open), no surprises. However, if a message is displayed in the preview window, there is an extra stop for the tab cycle. It *seems* to be the header for the previewed message. The lost tab stop is not visible. It is after the message preview window and before the folder list window. There is no indication where the focus is, **BUT** if I use the arrow keys while this lost window has focus, then the cursor and highlight appears in the previewed message's header area. Once that happens, I cannot tab out of that place and have to use the mouse to click to another window. -- Best regards, MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.03 beta w/BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.61.03 nits still around
Hello Greg, Wednesday, September 7, 2005, 12:52:55 PM, you wrote: GS If you'd like to confirm in the BT, please do so at GS https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5080. Done. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.03 beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: BayesIt plugin, establishing internet connection at startup
Hello Vili, Monday, September 5, 2005, 7:51:46 AM, you wrote: V (No, Check mails at startup, no regular mail check is set, it was V traced back to the plugin.) I have been using Beyesit since 2.something and this has never happened to me. TB does not try to connect until I tell it to. Sorry I am no help. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.02 beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.02 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: BayesIt plugin, establishing internet connection at startup
Hello Marek, Monday, September 5, 2005, 3:31:35 PM, you wrote: I have been using Beyesit since 2.something and this has never happened to me. TB does not try to connect until I tell it to. Sorry I am no help. BayesIt is not jet arrived at Number 0.9 How have you been able to use it in Version 2 ??? Or do you use BayesFilter? MM as I thought, he meant since The Bat! V2. Yup, that is what I meant. Sorry for the confusion. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.02 beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Select all and delet bug is back
Hello tbbeta, Well two steps forward and one step back g It looks like the folder window scroll bar weirdness has been addressed, but an old bugaboo is back, thanks for that one g Go to a message list window, hit Crtl-A to select all messages without having a message selected (the preview window shows no message selected). All messages are highlighted but delete does not delete the selected messages. As soon as any message is selected, Ctrl-A / Del will work fine. -- Best regards, MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.01 beta w/BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.01 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Select all and delet bug is back
Hello MikeD, Friday, September 2, 2005, 3:43:37 PM, you wrote: M2 It looks like the folder window scroll bar weirdness has been M2 addressed, but an old bugaboo is back, thanks for that one g Well I spoke too soon on that one sigh That little nit is still there too, sorry. Just to refresh ... If, in the folder window, I expand folder trees until they exceed the length of the window, the scroll bar is displayed (as expected). If I move the mouse over the scroll bar and click on the raised portion that represents the visible part of the window on the scroll bar, then ... some times ... the scroll bar vanishes while most of the folder tree is up beyond the top of the window. I have not figured out exactly what triggers this yet. I hope to have more details after it happens a few more times. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.01 beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.01 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bayesit help
Hello Goos, Wednesday, August 31, 2005, 11:02:26 AM, you wrote: G Hi, G wanna experiment with Bayesit again G Got some questions. G Is my old database from 2003 usable? I would bet not. I would suggest that you re-train it using current ham spam. G Is there any help file? Nt really (yet g) G Are there blacklists available? Black and white lists are now available for it. G Got already enough SPAM, but the learning process G didn't start. You have to explicitly select messages and tell it what they are using the Specials/'mark as junk' and 'mark as not junk' functions to tell it how to treat the selected messages. It will use that data to process incoming mail. If it guesses incorrectly with incoming, you then use the same two options to correct it. HTH, let me know if you have further questions. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.60.06 Forerunner (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.60.07 forerunner | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Bayesit help
Hello Goos, Wednesday, August 31, 2005, 12:54:56 PM, you wrote: G Are there blacklists available? M2 Black and white lists are now available for it. G Where are they for download? Clearly I needed to give you more info. The black or white lists are there for you to enter sites you want. My white list would not be of much use to you, for example wink G Got already enough SPAM, but the learning process G didn't start. M2 You have to explicitly select messages and tell it M2 what they are using the Specials/'mark as junk' and M2 'mark as not junk' functions G You're sure? Should I really every day over 200 times G open a message (if I'm not sure) and if it's SPAM, goto G 'Specials' and choose 'mark as JUNK? and then delete the G messagep... You only have to train it once to get it started. Otherwise it doesn't know what is good and what is bad. After that, only the messages that are misclasified have to be explicitly processed that way. Also, when you mark something as spam, it is moved to the spam folder, so you don't have do do that extra step. From what I hear from other users here, there are anti-spam programs that work better than Beysit. I just don't want the added headaches and overhead from running a proxy server process which is how the programs like K9, SpamCop, etc. work. But while it may not be perfect, Beyesit works well enough for me. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.60.06 Forerunner (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.60.07 forerunner | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.60.06 mostly good news
Hello tbbeta, All my previous little nits have been picked as far as I can tell. The only thing that I have noticed is a tendency for the scroll bar on the folder window to 'disappear' occasionally. Now this is not the same as the scroll bar going away when all the folders fit in the window. This happens when I have enough folders 'exploded' to bring the scroll bar into play. I am not sure exactly what I am doing to cause this, but it seems to be when I am scrolling the window up. I will end up with Most of the folders up off the top of the window, but the scroll bar is hidden. The only way to get the list back in the window is to highlight a visible folder and then use the arrow keys to move the highlight back up the list. The whole list will eventually scroll back into the visible part of the window. -- Best regards, MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.60.06 Forerunner (Beta) w/BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.60.07 forerunner | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.60.03 Micro-Ed problem after Message Format change
Hello tbbeta, I have not seen this mentioned ... but I have just been skimming the messages since I am a bit busy at the moment ... so if this is a duplication, sorry. I noticed that if I replay to an HTML message, it now defaults to opening an HTML reply. I am sure I can turn that off, that is not the problem ... just an observation. The problem occurs when I then go to Option menu and select Plain text Micro-Ed from the Format list in the reply window. The message changes to plain text with all the correct quoting and such ... and it *seems* to be the Micro-Ed (not windows) editor as I would expect. But some functions don't work. The most blatant (and the one I have tested the most) is Alt-L to re-wrap lines which does not function. It seems to do nothing. On the other hand, using the same original message, if I delete the HTML portion of the message *before* I start the replay, it opens the plain text Micro-Ed and Alt-L (and everything else as far as I can tell) works just as I would expect. -- Best regards, MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.60.03 Forerunner (Beta) w/BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.60.03 forerunner | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.60.05 Micro-Ed problem after Message Format change too
Hello MikeD, Friday, August 26, 2005, 11:14:19 AM, you wrote: M2 Hello tbbeta, M2 I have not seen this mentioned ... but I have just been skimming the M2 messages since I am a bit busy at the moment ... so if this is a M2 duplication, sorry. M2 I noticed that if I replay to an HTML message, it now defaults to M2 opening an HTML reply. I am sure I can turn that off, that is not M2 the problem ... just an observation. M2 The problem occurs when I then go to Option menu and select Plain M2 text Micro-Ed from the Format list in the reply window. M2 The message changes to plain text with all the correct quoting and M2 such ... and it *seems* to be the Micro-Ed (not windows) editor as I M2 would expect. But some functions don't work. The most blatant (and M2 the one I have tested the most) is Alt-L to re-wrap lines which does M2 not function. It seems to do nothing. M2 On the other hand, using the same original message, if I delete the M2 HTML portion of the message *before* I start the replay, it opens M2 the plain text Micro-Ed and Alt-L (and everything else as far as I M2 can tell) works just as I would expect. Same behavior in .05 -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.60.05 Forerunner (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.60.05 forerunner | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.60.03 Forerunner (Beta) is now available
Hello Simon, Wednesday, August 24, 2005, 2:53:50 PM, you wrote: 9Val The Bat! 3.60.03 Forerunner (Beta) is now available from: 9Val http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ SF Installed, running smoothly, continuing to test Yup, same here (so far, so good). FWIW, my actual memory usage is down about 10% with this one verses 3.60 ... but I have just fired it up. I'll see how that is after I have run it for a day or so. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.60.03 Forerunner (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.60.03 forerunner | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
