Re: Is version 1.44 the last before V2.0?

[Leif Gregory]

Chris,

On Tuesday, June 13, 2000, at 6:31 AM you wrote:
CW> Just wondering, bar any glaring bugs being found, is version 1.44
CW> the last before V2 hits the screens? Anyone care to muse on what
CW> V2 will do that we might look forward to? In particular, does the
CW> panel think threading will be improved where reference headers are
CW> missing, or the date/time of a senders machine is wrong?

Take a look at the RITLabs interview I did early this year. It covers
a good bit on v2. Of course, ignore the beta release date as that one
was obviously missed.

<http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/interview.shtml>



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Is version 1.44 the last before V2.0?

[Chris Wilson]

12-Jun-2000
10:29 PM

Just wondering, bar any glaring bugs being found, is version 1.44 the
last before V2 hits the screens? Anyone care to muse on what V2 will do
that we might look forward to? In particular, does the panel think
threading will be improved where reference headers are missing, or the
date/time of a senders machine is wrong?

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Re[2]: 1.44

[MaXxX]

Hello Christopher and all you Batters out there.

TS>> I have no Problem with editing the registry, but I know a lot of
TS>> users that are using windows quite a lot and haven't even seen the
TS>> registry on their system.

CJT> Which  means  that  they green. And such inexperienced users shouldn't
CJT> edit   these properties. Besides it's time to learn something at last.
CJT> ;)

Yes - and it's the users that should learn to read. If it says, "DON'T TOUCH
OR YOU'LL MESS UP YOUR COMPUTER", it MEANS it. If a user is stupid enough to
mess it up anyway - then it's their problem. Sure, an administrator should be
able to disable those dangerous options completely - but they definitely
should NOT be disabled by default.
It's like buying a car, you know? Would you want a car that would
automatically slow down to "a default speed safe for you", WITHOUT giving you
an option to push the acceleration anyway?

CJT> Actually  putting switches in configuration files, and not supplying a
CJT> setup  program  (or  dialog  box) is what is common in Linux and other
CJT> Unix systems...

Yep, you're dead right. It's common in Unix systems. But NOT in Windows.

Similarly, an installation that required the user to unzip, compile and link
the application is typical for all Unixes - imagine what would happen if a
Windows user had to COMPILE his newly downloaded program! @_@

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Re: 1.44

[Christopher J. Trybowski]

Hello Thomas,
On Monday, May 29, 2000 you wrote:

TS> Hallo Stefan,

TS> Am 29.05.2000 um 07:08 Uhr, schriebst Du:

ST>> Hello tracer,

t>>> But I donot agree having to go into the registry to change it.
t>>> There IS an administrators menu somewhere anyway, why not add this to
t>>> it?

ST>> The problem is that a single "stupid" user on a single machine (i.e. without
ST>> administrator) should not have easy access to this feature. The only
ST>> thing I can think of is a secret key combination. But using .REG
ST>> files seems to be more practical especially within large networks -
ST>> you do not want to type those values in on each machine even using the
ST>> nicest interface, do you? ;-)

TS> I have no Problem with editing the registry, but I know a lot of
TS> users that are using windows quite a lot and haven't even seen the
TS> registry on their system.

Which  means  that  they green. And such inexperienced users shouldn't
edit   these properties. Besides it's time to learn something at last.
;)

Actually  putting switches in configuration files, and not supplying a
setup  program  (or  dialog  box) is what is common in Linux and other
Unix systems...

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Re: 1.44

[Christopher J. Trybowski]

Hello tracer,
On Monday, May 29, 2000 you wrote:

t> But  I  donot  agree  having  to go into the registry to change it.
t> There  IS an administrators menu somewhere anyway, why not add this
t> to it?

I  don't  know  guys  what's  the problem. Is there any? You edit such
properties once and then you can copy them across computers...

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Re: 1.44

[Christopher J. Trybowski]

Hello tracer,
On Monday, May 29, 2000 you wrote:

t> You would if you are an administrator and have more then one system...

And  you'd  like to click thousands of checkboxes? Hmm, interesting, I
usually do it once, export the registry and import it other systems...

t> imagine the fun if someone writes a virus to just add *.msg to
t> protection for the BAT.
t> First special antibat virus created...

Oh,  gee, big deal. Imagine a virus that removes whole registry branch
"RIT". And what? User runs TB and sees no accounts. That is something!

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Re[8]: 1.44

[Thomas Speer]

Hallo Stefan,

Am 29.05.2000 um 07:08 Uhr, schriebst Du:

ST> Hello tracer,

t>> But I donot agree having to go into the registry to change it.
t>> There IS an administrators menu somewhere anyway, why not add this to
t>> it?

ST> The problem is that a single "stupid" user on a single machine (i.e. without
ST> administrator) should not have easy access to this feature. The only
ST> thing I can think of is a secret key combination. But using .REG
ST> files seems to be more practical especially within large networks -
ST> you do not want to type those values in on each machine even using the
ST> nicest interface, do you? ;-)

I have no Problem with editing the registry, but I know a lot of
users that are using windows quite a lot and haven't even seen the
registry on their system.

These users have grown up with checkboxes and radiobuttons not knowing
about any hidden configfiles they don't need to know

These userers are stetting up the bat on their system and a lot of
them know what files are dangerous and which aren't!

So I would vote for something in the Bats UI (maybe something an admin
could deactivate (grey) in the registry settings :-) )




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Re[8]: 1.44

[tracer]

Hello Stefan Tanurkov,
On Mon, 29 May 2000 08:08:38 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, May 29, 2000, 12:08:38 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Stefan Tanurkov wrote:


> Hello tracer,

t>> But I donot agree having to go into the registry to change it.
t>> There IS an administrators menu somewhere anyway, why not add this to
t>> it?

> The problem is that a single "stupid" user on a single machine (i.e. without
> administrator) should not have easy access to this feature. The only
> thing I can think of is a secret key combination. But using .REG
> files seems to be more practical especially within large networks -
> you do not want to type those values in on each machine even using the
> nicest interface, do you? ;-)

The problem is that I could do that over the network anyway but if
you have administrators settings, normal users shouldnt be able to
change them and also. what about the bulk of email users?
They havent got a clue what they are doing and imagine they test the
Bat as potential emailer and get these warnings and cannot get rid of
them OR modify them.
if I would set up the BAT as administrator they shouldnt be able to
get to any settings even via the registry.
If its their own system, they should have the right to deactivate
things they donot like.
if it means they get caught by a virus, their problem.
If potential customers see those banners they may cost you lost
sales...




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Re: 1.44

[Jast]

Morning Stefan Tanurkov,

> The problem is that a single "stupid" user on a single machine (i.e.
> without administrator) should not have easy access to this feature.

 Okay, but what about the average "knows what he is doing" user (like me)
 I'm educated enough to know what attachments I can open safely and what is
 potentially dangerous. Still, I wouldn't regularly search the registry for
 new entrys that might turn off some annoying confirmation boxes. I do
 believe these settings should at least be documented, otherwise it is not
 more than security through obscurity and nothing but annoying for anyone
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DEAD HORSE (was Re: 1.44)

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi MaXxX,

On 28 May 2000 at 22:30:07 GMT +0200 (which was 21:30 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "1.44":

M> Hello phil and all you Batters out there.

p>> Yeah the add-on program should have been written by "microsoft" but
p>> they call all these exploits that keep coming out "features" while
p>> denying there is any problem.
M>  (LARGE snip-snip-snip)
p>> Anyway, I've had enough of this.   Maybe what everyone wants is no
p>> privacy, no security, no anonymity a new world order with a dictator,
p>> and sweeping laws against everything.   Continue down the path then...

M> 'xcuse me...
M> ...
M> Excuse me!...
M> ...
M> EXCUSE MEEE!!!...
M> ...
M> HEY! YOU! I'M TALKIN' TO YOU, YOU HEAR ME!??
M> Good.
M> .
M> .
M> Sorry :)
M> Anyway, what did all that M$ talk have to do with Bat? IOW, are you for
M> keeping all the settings in the registry, or not??

Please  move  this thread to TBOT - if you want to discuss it further.
It's gone *way* off topic and is begin to bog down the list. So - it's
a DEAD HORSE here now.

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Re[7]: 1.44

[Stefan Tanurkov]

Hello tracer,

t> But I donot agree having to go into the registry to change it.
t> There IS an administrators menu somewhere anyway, why not add this to
t> it?

The problem is that a single "stupid" user on a single machine (i.e. without
administrator) should not have easy access to this feature. The only
thing I can think of is a secret key combination. But using .REG
files seems to be more practical especially within large networks -
you do not want to type those values in on each machine even using the
nicest interface, do you? ;-)



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Re: 1.44

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello tracer,

On Mon, 29 May 2000 08:09:58 +0700GMT (29/05/2000, 09:09 +0800GMT),
tracer wrote:

t> But I donot agree having to go into the registry to change it.
t> There IS an administrators menu somewhere anyway, why not add this to
t> it?

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Re[6]: 1.44

[tracer]

Hello Marek Mikus,
On Sun, 28 May 2000 19:14:31 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, May 29, 2000, 12:14:31 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Marek Mikus wrote:


> Hello all,
> Sunday, May 28, 2000, MaXxX wrote:

>> I wholeheartedly agree.
>> Placing some configuration options in the registry ONLY is a REALLY bad
>> practice of Microsoft. If it stays this way, someone will sooner or later
>> write a simple program that will edit the options for the users - and, this
>> little program's main motto will be "I had to write this program, because The
>> Bat's developers didn't leave those options ANYWHERE for the user to set up!"

>> Those options, as well as the lists of files to warn/disable, SHOULD be in the
>> configuration somewhere, and either password-protected, or marked with a big
>> red "WARNING - DANGEROUS OPTIONS AHEAD". If someone ignores the warning,
>> screws their settings up and runs all possible viri and worms - it's THEIR
>> responsibility. They've been warned.

> This is a Stefan's answer to similar mail:

> 
> Well, the information stored in registry is user-dependent. It is
> stored in the registry to make it possible to define different
> configurations for different Windows profiles.

> Account-dependent information is kept in the ACCOUNT.* files.
> 

> I agree with him.

But I donot agree having to go into the registry to change it.
There IS an administrators menu somewhere anyway, why not add this to
it?


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Re[2]: 1.44

[tracer]

Hello Allie Martin,
On Sun, 28 May 2000 11:02:50 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, May 28, 2000, 11:02:50 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Allie Martin wrote:


> On Sun, 28 May 2000 08:42:58 -0700, Nick Andriash wrote:

NA>> I've checked my Registry, and all I can see is the following two entries:

NA>> ProtectAllowOpen
NA>> *.JPG,*.JPEG,*.PNG,*.GIF,*.BMP,*.ICO,*.WMF,*.EMF,*.VCF,*.EML,*.MSG

NA>> ProtectDisableOpen
NA>> HAPPY99.EXE,LOVELETTER*.VBS

> Strange. I see the another entry there:

> ProtectWarnOpen  :  *.*,*.EXE,*.COM,*.BAT,*.CMD,*.VBS,*.JS,*.PL,*.BAS,*.JAVA,*.REG

> These are very straightforward entries for administrators to
> manipulate and it's location will definitely ward off the unwary which
> is the intention.

> I see no problem with it as is tracer ... :-)

You would if you are an administrator and have more then one system...

imagine the fun if someone writes a virus to just add *.msg to
protection for the BAT.
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Re: 1.44

[Jast]

Morning Stefan Tanurkov,

> [*] Warning on opening attachments.

 This is rather annoying. I know I can use the shift key to avoid it, but
 how can you totally disable it? The dialogue box says "contact your
 network administrator or support service to disable it forever" - now
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Re: 1.44 // sorry Mario

[Roel]

Hi Nick

On Fri, 26 May 2000 11:33:47 -0500GMT
   (which was 26/05/2000, 18:33 +0100GMT for me),

you wrote:

ND>  One other thing I noticed, and perhaps this is getting picky, but
ND> upon doing a refilter there is no way to NOT include filters marked
ND> manual (unless of course you make them inactive first).  Since there
ND> is a box for manual filters only, perhaps a box to exclude manual
ND> filters would be handy.

actually: asking for a 'refilter' is manually filtering :-)
untill this version, i don't think there was any other way to invoke
the 'manual only' filters any other way :-)

But you're right: now, in the age of 'filters-with-hotkeys', such a
switch could come in handy...
maybe a 'filter only when triggered by hotkey' kinda thingie?

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Re: 1.44

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 26 May 2000 18:14:13 +0300, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

> [+] Advanced page in Sorting office with additional conditions for a
> filter.

I download both TBBETA and TBUDL messages to one folder and then
use read filters to move them to archive folders when the combined
folder gets too full for comfortable browsing.

I decided to use age limits in the advanced options for
filtering this common folder. However, this seems to be all haywire. :-)
I set the limit to an older than 7 day limit and ran a test. What I
would expect is that the filter rule would be applied /only/ to messages
older than 7 days. Only five messages were left behind when none really
should have been filtered! Also, all the filtered messages were moved to
a /single/ folder which is not associated with the filter rules,
although it is indeed a sub-folder of the common folder for both TBUDL
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Re: 1.44

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 26 May 2000 18:14:13 +0300, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

> [+] Quotation prefix length limit setting in message editor
> properties.

Appreciated.

> [+] Advanced page in Sorting office with additional conditions for a
> filter.

I see that message age may be used as a criteria for filtering
now. This plus the hot-key assignment for rules, makes for a neat
archiving feature.

> [+] %OneLine/%SingleLine macro.

When I place this in a reply template, the quoted text is
generated as a single line of text.

> [+] %QuoteStyle macro

I'm not sure what this does. I have a feeling it may allow the
ability to determine the prefixing style. I can't get it to work because
I'm just guessing!

> [*] All types of attachments can be deleted.

Good. I can now delete attached messages in MIME digests.

> [-] Bug with not changing cookie in Quick Templates
  
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Re: 1.44

[Marek Mikus]

Hello TBBETA,
Friday, May 26, 2000, Stefan wrote:

>   Here go the changes:

> [*] All types of attachments can be deleted.

I can't confirm at all. viz. www.mikus.cz/deleteatt.gif

Another problem is with file "bdy.txt".

TB display message without any text and with no link to it in bookmark
or in attachments pane. Only in header is link to file "bdy.txt". If
user find this file, he can see the text. But the same problem is with
re-send function, TB generate only header. The message was sent from
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