Re: Bug, NFS
On Saturday, July 30, 2005, 10:31:30 AM, Goncalo Farias wrote: A filter is defined as a whole. Either it make the whole action or it shouldn't do any and throw a warning and deactivate the filter. I disagree entirely with this. It's kind of like saying that if you can't keep food down, or have the runs, your heart and lungs should also shut down. Legislatures pass bills which cover a whole scheme, and always include a severability clause, which says that if some court finds that some part of this bill won't hold up, we want the rest of it to work. I'm sorry sir, the waitress reported, they have run out of horseradish in the kitchen, and we won't be able to serve any more beef tonight. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.51.10 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
On Sunday, July 24, 2005, 12:54:49 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Now that would be real fun. I have a filter moving a message to folder X, and I forgot about that filter. Just decided that I don't need that folder any more, so I delete it. A minute later, the folder is recreated automatically - now *that* would drive me really crazy. at least one needs to be able to search the filters for the folder name, so one can figure out what is happening. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.51.9 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
On Saturday, July 23, 2005, 3:38:09 AM, Goncalo Farias wrote: V The filter should be disabled, at least... TF No. the filter might set a colour group at the same time or TF vperform other actions. Setting the destination folder to a TF move/copy action to the default is more sensible, so that the TF other actions can still be run. I agree with Vili. It shouldn't have default actions. Either the filter is able to do what it was designed to do or it should be disabled (with or without a warning). I don't follow the logic here. The complaint is that when you delete a folder, the program takes a default action and copies the file to the inbox instead of the deleted folder, and that a better default is to stop the filter from doing anything even if the other things it is doing could include sending a copy of the message to another account or another user, changing a color code, sending a reply to the sender with some other important information. This a bad idea. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.51.9 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
Hello Greg Strong everyone else, on 23-Jul-2005 at 18:49 you (Greg Strong) wrote: Ok I've tested. With v3.51.9 the folder is changed to the Inbox which is better than Sent mail folder. Excuse me but... why is it better that an OUTGOING filter moves messages to the INBOX (rather than the SENT mail folder) when the original destination folder is deleted? :) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Offset Acoustics (8:30) by Flytronix from the 1997 album 'Freezone 4 - Dangerous Lullabies (CD1)' Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
On Saturday, July 23, 2005, 11:16:30 AM, Goncalo Farias wrote: IMHO, filters should come in a package that would either do everything or do nothing without compromises. that is just the opposite of what I would expect a filter to do. It would mean you could only safely have a separate filter to carry out each act so that if one failed, the other things one needed would still get carried out. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.51.9 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
Hello Greg Strong everyone else, on 23-Jul-2005 at 19:07 you (Greg Strong) wrote: I think when a folder is deleted that a warning SHOULD be provided with the name of the effected filter in the warning with a 'delete' or 'cancel' option when the folder deleted is the destination folder. Thats a good idea. File a wish I'll support it. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Sad Alliance (12:25) by Pete Namlook Richie Hawtin from the album 'From Within' Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
Hello Goncalo, On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:30:22 +0100 GMT (23/07/2005, 15:30 +0700 GMT), Goncalo Farias wrote: GF In my opinion it's a bug. Either disable the filter or delete it with GF the folder. I would prefer the first option. I'm against both. If the filter does more than copying/moving, such as assinging a colour group, it should not be disabled. And deleting a filter automtically would be the worst thing I can imagine. I prefer the current behaviour. -- Cheers, Thomas. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: Police Departments give their officers personality tests to make sure they are deliberately assigned a partner who is their total opposite. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.51.8 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
Hoi Paul When a filter attempts to act on a nonexistent folder, let it create the folder. This functionality is already available. In the folder dialog of the Copy/Move filter action, there's a checkbox named Automatically create if necessary. HTH. True. However this is intended as a convenience function for filter creation and is selective. I see what you mean. Just realised that this only creates the folder first time round. If the folder is subsequently deleted, it will not be recreated by the filter. Could be a relatively straightforward amendment to filter functionality to preserve the create if necessary option, however - until more comprehensive functionality to check the links between filters and folders can be developed. -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.51.9 Pro on Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
Hello Natasha, On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:37:44 +1200 GMT (24/07/2005, 04:37 +0700 GMT), Natasha V Pearce wrote: NVP I see what you mean. Just realised that this only creates the folder first time NVP round. If the folder is subsequently deleted, it will not be recreated by the NVP filter. Could be a relatively straightforward amendment to filter functionality NVP to preserve the create if necessary option, Now that would be real fun. I have a filter moving a message to folder X, and I forgot about that filter. Just decided that I don't need that folder any more, so I delete it. A minute later, the folder is recreated automatically - now *that* would drive me really crazy. NVP however - until more comprehensive functionality to check the NVP links between filters and folders can be developed. Have I mentioned yet in this thread that I like the current behaviour? ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Important warning for aircraft pilots: Teeth that have been improperly filled cause problems with altitude or rapid decompressions. The higher pressure under the filling will cause excruciating pain and in rare instances can cause the tooth to explode. An exploding tooth would be distracting. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.51.9 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
Hoi Dwight I think one should be able to do lots of searching in filters. One should also be able to make an alphabetical list, or better have the filters in alpha order without changing the order of the actual searches. Have added wish. Please support. Thanks in advance. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4969 supported. Thanks lots for putting this up. -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.51.8 Pro on Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
Hoi Vili When a filter attempts to act on a nonexistent folder, let it create the folder. This functionality is already available. In the folder dialog of the Copy/Move filter action, there's a checkbox named Automatically create if necessary. HTH. You are absolutely right. I overlooked it. :))) Lucky for me I'd just been using it earlier today. Otherwise it would have been in the bit bucket with the rest. :) -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.51.8 Pro on Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
Hi Natasha V Pearce, Friday, July 22, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : Have added wish. Please support. Thanks in advance. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4969 supported. Thanks lots for putting this up. Done :) -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.51.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.51.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
Hello Dwight! On Friday, July 22, 2005, 12:59 AM, you wrote: Please support. Thanks in advance. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4969 Done. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.8 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
Hi everyone Please check and confirm it: 0. Make a new folder (X) in the POP account. 1. Make a new filter that copies the outgoing mails to this new X folder. 2. Delete X folder. 3. If you check the filter, the copy is directed to the Sent mail folder now. Result: doubled mails in the Sent mail folder. Confirmed, with the following additional information. I can't now reproduce the effect of TB changing the target folder to the next up in the list. It now works as originally expected and moves mail to the default folder. My guess is that I didn't create the filter correctly last time I tried this. Apologies for any ensuing confusion. The only way I've found to avoid TB sending filtered messages to the default folder is to check the Automatically create if necessary box in the Copy/Move dialog when setting up the filter. -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.51.6 Pro on Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
On Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 4:59:12 PM [GMT -0500], Vili wrote: I agree. BUT TB! SHOULD NOT DO what I did not command it to do. You can argue, but you are on the dark side What will happen if I copy a mail from the Inbox folder and I delete the destination folder? Two mails in Inbox?? Is it logical or you? I hope not... This is exactly what I was thinking while reading the thread. It's unusual and buggy behaviour. TB! has never done this before. If the target folder doesn't exist, then nothing should happen in terms of moving the message. All other actions in the filter should be carried out though. -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.51.6 System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name -=-=- The best defense against logic is stupidity. Current beta is 3.51.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
On Thursday, July 21, 2005, 5:59:37 AM, Paul Van Noord wrote: Another alternative I like even better is to disallow folder deletion altogether until the user removes all references to the folder in the filters. There is an instance of overkill. The filters are going to have to be a lot easier to search thru than they are now. Vili just mentioned he has over 200 filters. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.51.6 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.51.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
Hello -=Curtis=-, On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 04:41:23 -0500 GMT (21/07/2005, 16:41 +0700 GMT), -=Curtis=- wrote: C It's unusual and buggy behaviour. TB! has never done this before. It always has. IIRC there was a thread on this list once when TB did not update the filters when the target folder was deleted. *That* was a bug. It was fixed quickly. C If the target folder doesn't exist, then nothing should happen in C terms of moving the message. All other actions in the filter should C be carried out though. That's exactly what is happening. The message is not moved, so remains in the Inbox/Outbox, all the other actiuons are being carried out. Vili is not moving messages, he is copying them. IMHO TB follows the same logic; the message is just copied. I understand what Vili wants is a warning that states don't remove this folder before updating filter1, filter2, I prefer the current behaviour. But then, I *move* messages from the Inbox, and if anything stays there, it's easy for me to catch. -- Cheers, Thomas. When they broke open molecules, they found they were only stuffed with atoms. But when they broke open atoms, they found them stuffed with explosions. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.51.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
On Thursday, July 21, 2005, 2:37:19 PM, Paul Van Noord wrote: DAC There is an instance of overkill. The filters are going to have DAC to be a lot easier to search thru than they are now. Vili just DAC mentioned he has over 200 filters. Perhaps a filter text search tool is in order I think one should be able to do lots of searching in filters. One should also be able to make an alphabetical list, or better have the filters in alpha order without changing the order of the actual searches. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.51.6 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.51.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
Hoi Paul When a filter attempts to act on a nonexistent folder, let it create the folder. This functionality is already available. In the folder dialog of the Copy/Move filter action, there's a checkbox named Automatically create if necessary. HTH. -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.51.8 Pro on Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
Hoi Dwight I think one should be able to do lots of searching in filters. One should also be able to make an alphabetical list, or better have the filters in alpha order without changing the order of the actual searches. Excellent idea! Is there a BT Wish for this? If so, I'll happily support. -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.51.8 Pro on Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
On Thursday, July 21, 2005, 11:03:55 PM, Natasha V Pearce wrote: I think one should be able to do lots of searching in filters. One should also be able to make an alphabetical list, or better have the filters in alpha order without changing the order of the actual searches. Excellent idea! Is there a BT Wish for this? If so, I'll happily support. Have added wish. Please support. Thanks in advance. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4969 -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.51.8 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.51.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
Hello Vili, On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:02:13 +0200 GMT (20/07/2005, 06:02 +0700 GMT), Vili wrote: V 3. If you check the filter, the copy is directed to the Sent mail V folder now. Result: doubled mails in the Sent mail folder. This makes sense to me. The destination folder does not exist any more, so it is set back to default: The Sent folder. WAD. The filter is not deleted, so you are now copying the mail from the Sent folder to the Sent folder, that;s why you end up with two copies. WAD. V I guess, if you delete a folder that has some filter assigned, it V messes up the NFS... No, it doesn't. It just sets the destination folder to the default. Same with Incoming filters: I have a lot of Move filters. If the folder is deleted, the mail will be moved to the Inbox. That's perfectly correct behaviour. -- Cheers, Thomas. News article: A hole has been found in the fence surrounding the Happydale Nudist Colony. Police are looking into it. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.51.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
Hello Natasha, On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:13:43 +1200 GMT (20/07/2005, 12:13 +0700 GMT), Natasha V Pearce wrote: NVP Confirmed, with the following additional information. NVP After the folder is deleted, the filter will move messages to NVP whichever folder appeared immediately before it in the folder NVP list. Ah, that then is a bug. I didn't try it, but the message should be moved to the default. -- Cheers, Thomas. Si le travail c'est l'opium du peuple, alors je ne veux pas finir drogué...[ Boris Vian ] Message reply created with The Bat! 3.51.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
Hello Vili, On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:44:12 +0200 GMT (20/07/2005, 22:44 +0700 GMT), Vili wrote: V So, you think that two copies from mails in Sent folder is correct? Yes, because you told TB to copy the message from the Sent folder to the Sent folder. There is no mentioning of deleting the original, so it would be a bug if you had only one message then. V I prefer sending me a warning message, that this and this filter V is affected if you delete this filter. It's very easy: If you delete the destination folder, the filters pointing to it are updated to the default. Anything else would be buggy. No warning necessary, just some common sense. V I would not say, it is a bug. It is an inconvenience. No. It works correctly and with logic. anything else would be a bug. Please tell me what you think should happen if you create a filter that moves or copies Sent messages to folder X, and then you delete folder X. Should the filter still point to it? What happens then when a message meets the criteria? -- Cheers, Thomas. Don't wear your glasses on a blind date. You'll look better, and he will too. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.51.5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
Hello Vili, On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:45:06 +0200 GMT (20/07/2005, 22:45 +0700 GMT), Vili wrote: Ah, that then is a bug. I didn't try it, but the message should be moved to the default. V The filter should be disabled, at least... No. the filter might set a colour group at the same time or vperform other actions. Setting the destination folder to a move/copy action to the default is more sensible, so that the other actions can still be run. -- Cheers, Thomas. Kommt ein Mann in ne Bank: Haende raus, Geld hoch, ich bin eine Geisel! - Gell, Sie wollen's in Schilling? Message reply created with The Bat! 3.51.5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
On Wednesday, July 20, 2005, 4:59:12 PM, Vili wrote: It is not common sense. WHERE did I say to the program that if the target folder does not exist, then copy it to the Sent mail? Nowhere... If common sense is the rule, one could argue it is not common sense to delete a folder where you are sending mail. What it does now is predictable, logical and what I would expect to happen, want to happen. If I was paying any attention to the fact these messages were not getting filtered, then I would investigate, discover that I either had a folder missing and restore it, or a filter which I had erroneously set up and delete or change it. I know that is true, because that is how it has happened to me. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.51.6 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.51.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, NFS
Hi Vili Please check and confirm it: 0. Make a new folder (X) in the POP account. 1. Make a new filter that copies the outgoing mails to this new X folder. 2. Delete X folder. 3. If you check the filter, the copy is directed to the Sent mail folder now. Result: doubled mails in the Sent mail folder. Confirmed, with the following additional information. After the folder is deleted, the filter will move messages to whichever folder appeared immediately before it in the folder list. I tried this with a folder sitting directly under my Inbox (not a sub-folder, but the next folder down in the list) and after deletion the Inbox became the target. Seems to me that perhaps an array of pointers isn't being updated correctly. If you raise a BT report, I'll be happy to support. -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.51.5 Pro on Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
