Re: SOT: Languages and Writing Systems
Monday, October 18, 1999 Hello Thomas, Monday, Monday, October 18, 1999, you wrote: Thomas Hi tracer, Thomas on Monday, October 18, 1999, 12:09:55 PM, tracer wrote: Thomas Every script has drawbacks when you want to use it for another Thomas language. ;-) t I know but here in Thailand it must be about the only place where they t try to make a language which is quite irregular when it comes to the t way things are written/pronounced, regular... problem is for instance t Than, Tani, Tanee and whatever being used for the same thing. t Or Thanon, tanon whatever for street. The good thing is that Thai t postal office employees are masters in recognising screwed up t addresses... Thomas The problem is not Thai, but English. "Thanon" is spelled to-tung, Thomas no-noo, no-noo. Thani is spelled to-tong, sara ah, no-noo, sara ih. Thomas How to trans-scribe this into English, is up to everybody's taste, Thomas because there is no recognized standard. After all, it would be only Thomas for the "illiterate farangs", so who cares... ;-) The problem is not Thai, not English, its THAIS. I donot care but there is an official standard, seemingly inherited from the Vietnam period produced by the peace corps from the USA. Anything official follows those rules and had as consequence that my son, whose name is RAAD ended up in a passport with the name RAT. NOT funny (g). t Anyway, drop me pls that suitable Thai font you said you had. t Its a non proportional TT font correct?? Thomas Yes; I already sent it to you yesterday by attachment to mail. It's Thomas called DbThaiText Fixed. If yo9u didn't receive it, I will send it Thomas again in the evening (I don't have it here in the office). I didnt sofar. Ok, so its a DB font, I checked a collection of some 1000 fonts I have and its not in there but, I see very few DB fonts so they must have been mislaid somewhere. Thomas And for those who were wondering why this thread is still "on" the Thomas lsit: I believe that it is important for a truely international email Thomas client to know about the problems that arise if you use langauges Thomas other than English. I believe the European langauges and Russian have Thomas been taken care of by the developers, but we are only boiling down on Thomas the problem with Asian languages. I hope that's OK. Not only that, if its usable as an email program under either Thai windows/English windows with Thai, it means more users. Best regards, tracer files attached: none Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: jump to the next unread message - was - Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions
On 18 October 1999 at 04:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: It scrolls through the message and then jumps to the next message, regardless of whether read or unread. It works perfectly, and there is no need for any bug report. ;-) KR I guess it depends on what you want to do. Assume you have messages KR sorted by ASCENDING date. Do you want to read the most recent message KR first, then the next most recent, and so forth, moving back through KR time? In other words, do you want to read the response before the KR original message? If so, then it works perfectly... KR To me, it's a bug; to you, maybe not. Maybe it would be best to have KR an option to set the behavior. Now we're getting to a sensible zone on a related "complaint". The recent interface changes included the much maligned change to the Next/Previous message buttons which now have left/right instead of up/down arrows. *If* these buttons really meant Next/Previous regardless of direction then 1) the issue you just raised disappears and 2) the graphic makes sense in that up/down direction loses relevance while previous/next logic is simplified. AKL Ctrl+] - jump to the next unread (inside the current folder AKL _only_) Yes, and I don't think there is a way to jump to an unread message in anotehr folder. (see below) AKL Ctrl+[ - jump to the previous _unread_ (inside the current folder AKL _only_) As for these "short" keys, somebody suggested to change these to N for Next Unread and so on, I think the suggestions were based on Agent - I think that would be a good idea. Ctrl-] is really awkward to use. KR Absolutely agree. Personally, I sort by creation date, ascending and use the ticker to review all incoming mail. I get a single review folder for the purpose containing all of the unread mail (and *only* the unread mail) and I can space-bar / cursor / AltCursor through *all* of my new mail without any problem or hindrance. Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: jump to the next unread message - was - Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions
Hallo Ali, On Monday, October 18, 1999, 12:37:12 PM, Ali Martin wrote: AKL Ctrl+[ - jump to the previous _unread_ (inside the current folder _only_) As for these "short" keys, somebody suggested to change these to N for Next Unread and so on, I think the suggestions were based on Agent - I think that would be a good idea. Ctrl-] is really awkward to use. AM This will unfortunately break the operation of the quick search AM utility. Well, OK. I never use quick seacrh. What does it do? -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: auto-complete not working in address fields
Thomas, Voila! And thus it was so! Muchas gracias. I don't know how I missed that in my frenzied pressing of keys trying to find the answer. Sunday, October 17, 1999, you wrote: Hi Terry, on Sunday, October 17, 1999, 9:13:49 PM, Terry Frazier wrote: TF Yes, I mean Ctrl+Plus. At one point it worked, even for groups. I TF could type in a partial GroupName and Ctrl+Plus would finish TF the entry with "GroupName list" in the To: field. TF Now Ctrl+Plus appears to be completely disabled, for groups or TF anything else. My only change was to upgrade to TB! 1.36 I can't TF find any preference setting or option to enable or disable the TF feature. Try ctronol-shift-plus. some users with European keyboards have reported that this shortcut changes depending on the keyboard. Cordially, -- twf Terry W. Frazier Atlanta, GA 770.918.1937 770.216.1630 FAX mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = "You are making progress if each mistake is a new one." -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: jump to the next unread message - was - Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Monday, October 18, 1999, Thomas Fernandez wrote about jump to the next unread message - was - Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions: TF Well, OK. I never use quick seacrh. What does it do? Move cursor to message list area and just start typing fragment of text. Quick Search window will be open, and cursor will jump to next message where there is subject or sender or addressee matching text you are entering. Pressing Ctrl-Enter moves cursor to the next matching message. Something very similar (but without opening a window) working in the folder tree area to find folder. -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.36 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5, RC 1.1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: SOT: Languages and Writing Systems
Hi there! On 18 Oct 99, at 14:15, tracer wrote about "Re: SOT: Languages and Writing Syst": The problem is not Thai, not English, its THAIS. I donot care but there is an official standard, seemingly inherited from the Vietnam period produced by the peace corps from the USA. Anything official follows those rules and had as consequence that my son, whose name is RAAD ended up in a passport with the name RAT. NOT funny (g). And what? English/American name "Chris" sounds pretty much the Russian word for "rat". I've known one Chris who became very offended after my Russian friends explained him, *what* his name gets associated with in their minds:-)) PS. If some Chris is reading this, please, no offence:-) It's just the language:-)) SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: How long a minute is depends on which side of the bathroom door you are on. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: languages and spellings
Hi! Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] about "OT: languages and spellings": Perhaps we should use the phonetic alphabet of the IPA (international phonetic association), Unicode characters 0x0250..0x02af, but then i know just know one font, Lucida Sans Unicode, having these, and where is a mail client supporting UTF8...? BTW, Office 2000 comes with Arial Unicode MS which supports the *whole* Unicode charset - and has a size of 24 MB! -- Christian GassmannPGP keys: RSA 0x6975E6D3 - DH/DSS 0x83BD18C5 Internet Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN: 12893571 Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: %ATTACHMENTS: doesnt show files attached
Monday, October 18, 1999 Hello Thomas, Monday, Monday, October 18, 1999, you wrote: Thomas Hi tracer, Thomas on Monday, October 18, 1999, 2:09:10 PM, tracer wrote: t problem: use below shown macro but when attaching whatever I do, %ATTACHMENTS t seems to always generate "none" as result. t Any idea how to fix? Thomas I'm not sure, but I think this macro is only for the print-templates. It doesnt say that anywhere... I thought it was a nice way to get a list of what files are attached but sofar nothing Wouldnt it help if maybe the helpfiles / docs could be improved? Anyway, I am fairly sure I can generate proper Thai with that DB font. The switcher seems to produce different symbols etc so I think it means that with that Thai mono font (ie one of the DB fonts I mislaid) it should produce thai. One of my friends probably has it as he is in graphical design but he just returned from Singapore with some new hardware and his designing is better then his hardware knowledge (g) he is good at it but misses the experience you only get from many different messed up systems... Its the famous problem of running out of interupts, usb modems STILL wanting fake com ports (so what are you saving...), a promise raid card wanting ONE specific slot on the machine etc etc. He bought me a replacement modem as well, a proper 56k dual chips and stuff like that, the wrong version of a set of Linux cd's (Mandrake v6 which I already have..) and a replacement hard disk which they swap in Singapore but not in Thailand..) Anyway, what software / products are you marketing? And how do you think one can prevent thais not to rip them off as soon as they see that stuff??? Or some of the foreigners who are also in the fake cd business since their Thai partners wouldnt know the difference between a music cd and a sound cd... If you have a website with the products let me know where it is. Best regards, tracer files attached: none Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[6]: Can Thai be used??
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 Hello Thomas, Monday, Monday, October 18, 1999, you wrote: Thomas Hallo tracer, Thomas On Monday, October 18, 1999, 11:32:50 AM, tracer wrote: Thomas My X-LAT table does not include Thai... :-( t I selected 'add', and Thai was on the list (scroll down ) and so I t selected it. Doesnt do a thing though... Thomas If you go through the table, there is actually no Thai alphabet in Thomas there. Only the name changes, but the actual table remains Thomas ISO-8859-1. somehoe is now called iso-thai anyway the mono font works but its a horrible font with bugs. I use an external 3 kb language switcher running under normal 98 v2 Shown an email from the isp about logons. Thomas They are automatically shown if you put them in the C:\Windows|Font Thomas directory. I know t So I thought you said you have a Thai non proportional TT font?? t Could you send it to me... t All the ones I have seem to be proportional and I donot like to mess t with system fonts. I will have to locate a better one I guess, this one in English shows n and n for n and m and things like that (anyway, off the list you can see that one) Thomas Sending it off the list. Best regards, tracer files attached: none Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- snap2.jpg
Re[2]: SOT: Languages and Writing Systems
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 Hello Alexander, Monday, Monday, October 18, 1999, you wrote: Alexander Hi there! Alexander On 18 Oct 99, at 13:49, Thomas Fernandez wrote Alexander about "SOT: Languages and Writing Systems": ...And for those who were wondering why this thread is still "on" the lsit: I believe that it is important for a truely international email client to know about the problems that arise if you use langauges other than English. I believe the European langauges and Russian have been taken care of by the developers, but we are only boiling down on the problem with Asian languages. I hope that's OK. Alexander I agree with you wholeheartedly. IMHO, one of the major Alexander features of TB is it's prominent multi-lingual support. Currently Alexander it's mainly 8bit-oriented, but I can't see why it couldn't be Alexander extended to the case of double-byte languages. A more practical question maybe, is there any practical reason why the bat HAS to use these mono fonts as if it could use any standard TTF it would make life soe much easier... and text would probably LOOK better if some fonts I just had to dig through are typical Alexander SY, Alex Alexander (St.Petersburg, Russia) Best regards, tracer files attached: none Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: %ATTACHMENTS: doesnt show files attached
Hi there! On 18 Oct 99, at 17:40, tracer wrote about "Re[2]: %ATTACHMENTS: doesnt show fi": Anyway, I am fairly sure I can generate proper Thai with that DB font. The switcher seems to produce different symbols etc so I think it means that with that Thai mono font (ie one of the DB fonts I mislaid) it should produce thai. One of my friends probably has it as he is in graphical design but he just returned from Singapore with some new hardware and his designing is better then his hardware knowledge (g) he is good at it but misses the experience you only get from many different messed up systems... 'Bout the Thai support. In theory, having in mind you say that Thai is a 8-bit system (is it?), you have to do the following: 1. Find out, what is the default MIME charset for Thai and what mapping it uses (well, anybody knows where OL stores the encoding vectors? Eudora stores these in *.trn files, if I'm not mistaken. If OL stores these in readable form and supports Thai, you might be able to get it from there); 2. Update the X-Lat table for Thai (if needed) correspondingly; 3. For writing Thai, set up the encoding in the message editor (or via templates) to the Thai default MIME set. SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: 1.Anything that begins well ends badly. 2.Anything that begins badly ends worse. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Re[2]: OT: languages and spellings
Hi there! On 19 Oct 99, at 1:28, Thomas Fernandez wrote about "Re[2]: OT: languages and spellings": Perhaps we should use the phonetic alphabet of the IPA (international phonetic association), Unicode characters 0x0250..0x02af, but then i know just know one font, Lucida Sans Unicode, having these, and where is a mail client supporting UTF8...? CG BTW, Office 2000 comes with Arial Unicode MS which supports the CG *whole* Unicode charset - and has a size of 24 MB! Anybody knows whether this is covered by some RFCs or not? I've got a number of OL-made messages lately, charset was set to UTF-8 there. It was just plain gibberish. I mean, all the higher- bit letters were replaced by "?"s... BTW, that was OL'97... Sounds like Unicode is the future. Forget about all the other encoding systems? Is that what you're saying? In that case, I hope TB will support Unicode. I am not sure that we need it. What will we gain from this, after all? I'll bet, nothing but a heavy mess currently:-( SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: ``I came, I saw, SHE conquered.'' (The original Latin seems to have been garbled.) --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: SOT: Languages and Writing Systems
Hi there! On 19 Oct 99, at 1:54, tracer wrote about "Re[2]: SOT: Languages and Writing S": A more practical question maybe, is there any practical reason why the bat HAS to use these mono fonts as if it could use any standard TTF it would make life soe much easier... and text would probably LOOK better if some fonts I just had to dig through are typical Just it's not that simple to get wariable-width fonts under Delphi:- ) Support for *any* fonts is on the wishlist, though:-) Still waiting... SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) -- Thought for the day: If you can't learn to do it well, you should learn to enjoy doing it badly. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Message navigation bug detected.
Hi all, In the view folder window, I use Ctrl+arrows to move from message to message. Shift+Ctrl+arrow is supposed to delete the displayed message and move to the next. This is not working as it should. The shortcuts work in the reverse fashion. Shift+Ctrl+Up arrow is supposed to delete displayed message and move up to previous message. It does the opposite. Shift+Ctrl+Down arrow is supposed to delete displayed message and move down to next message. It does the opposite. -- -=Allie=- Pandemonium doesn't reign here... It pours! *---* Using The Bat! 1.36 on Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 5) *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: languages and spellings
Hello Alexander On Monday, October 18, 1999, 10:04:50 PM, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: Perhaps we should use the phonetic alphabet of the IPA (international phonetic association), Unicode characters 0x0250..0x02af, but then i know just know one font, Lucida Sans Unicode, having these, and where is a mail client supporting UTF8...? And what is that IPA you're talking about? The IPA seems to be an organisation that has defined a special alphabet for transcribing the phonetics of words. My English-German dictionary uses it to explain the pronounciation of the English words. If you have Windows NT, you can see the glyphs with charmap.exe in any Unicode font in the subset 'IPA extensions' Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Schtill! Was ziberlet dert näbem Tobelöhli z grachtige n uuf u aab?" - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: languages and spellings
Hello! On Monday, October 18, 1999, 10:01:11 PM, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: Anybody knows whether this is covered by some RFCs or not? It's covered in the Unicode Standard (ISO 10646), but to find an online explanation is somewhat difficult... I've got a number of OL-made messages lately, charset was set to UTF-8 there. It was just plain gibberish. I mean, all the higher- bit letters were replaced by "?"s... BTW, that was OL'97... Was it UTF-8 or UTF-7? I vaguely remember having seen OL97 messages with UTF-7 (where some characters take up 4 bytes, but never use bit 8)... Let's try to explain: Unicode normally uses 2 bytes for each character; and the first 128 ones are the ascii ones. UTF-8 is a compression method for saving bandwidth or memory. All plain ASCII characters are left alone (and use only one byte), the Unicodes 128..2047 use two bytes (but somewhat transformed) and all other Unicodes use three bytes. Here's a table: Unicode hexadecimal Unicode as Bits UTF-8 as Bits 0x..0x007f 0xxx 0xxx 0x0080..0x07ff 0xxx 110x 10xx 0x0800..0x 1110 10xx 10xx Just fill in the bits at the x positions from one column into the other column without changing the order. Lets do an example: The famous seven-german-letters letter ý (schtsch, if i really recall it correctly) with Unicode 1065 (0x0429) would be transformed to UTF-8 'ò©' (0xd0a9) Sounds like Unicode is the future. Forget about all the other encoding systems? Is that what you're saying? In that case, I hope TB will support Unicode. I am not sure that we need it. What will we gain from this, after all? I'll bet, nothing but a heavy mess currently:-( It will give us the ability to mix characters from all all these codepages in one message. Now it's not possible to put cyrillic letters (koi8-r) together with the german umlauts (ISO 8859-1). Look at my signature in this message (in KOI8-R enconding) and compare it to the one of my other reply... ð£ÔÒ [thats about all i know in your language: my name :-( ] -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Schtill! Was ziberlet dert nÄbem TobelÃhli z grachtige n uuf u aab?" - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: languages and spellings
Hi Thomas, TF In that case, I hope TB will support Unicode. That's from Stefan' letter: AD Is it possible to read messages written with AD UTF-8 (Unicode) charset? Not yet, but it is planned... -- Alexander Drunin Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Language and Windows
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Sunday, October 17, 1999, 4:19:14 AM, Leif wrote: [snip] I can read and write Hiragana and Katakana (though that doesn't mean I know what the word I'm reading is), and I know some Kanji (very few actually.) I don't use it with TB (not even sure it would work), so I use Japanese Outlook to read/write Japanese. But then the recipient needs to be able to handle HTML It would be so much nicer if you could use TB for this, wouldn't it? Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: New user question
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 Hello Lionel, Tuesday, Tuesday, October 19, 1999, you wrote: Lionel Hello fellow Bat users, Lionel I'm currently testing the Bat! program and I have a question: Lionel Do I have any mean to filter by a specific kludge. E.g., "if 'Reply Lionel to' is that, then do this", "If 'CC:' contains that do this'. The only Lionel choices I saw are Sender, Recipient, Subject, Text, Any Kludge, Lionel anywhere. Can't I create a new location? Lionel Hey! I just thought of that! Maybe a "Reply-To: XXX" with "Kludges" Lionel would work? Or does it match only against Kludges content and not Lionel Kludges names? Anyone has any experience on that? Lionel Anyhow, does the 'Recipient' choice filter by the CC or the To kludge Lionel or just the the To kludge? Lionel The 'Sender' choice, only the 'From' kludge or also the 'Sender' Lionel kludge? Lionel Thanks for any info you have, I wouldnt mind having more options including those if someting is true and something else isnt. or to be able to filter on like I asked things like send= receiver, no sender, no receiver, things specified on CC or BCC as some more flexability is urgently needed for better antispam and sorting Lionel -- Lionel Lionel Mamane Lionel PGP RSA 1024 bits Key Fingerprint (KeyID: F6467875): 81A1 06A7 32C1 92DA Lionel 3B5A 3433 C96F B3CD Lionel PGP RSA 2048 bits Key Fingerprint (KeyID: 20C897E9): 85CF 986F 263E 8CD0 Lionel 80FD 4B8C F5F9 C17D Lionel PGP DH/DSS 2048/1024 Key Fingerprint (KeyID: 8B91DF22): CB1E 44F1 4BBC Lionel 38D2 56A9 BE67 D8C0 2B43 8B91 DF22 Lionel PGP DH/DSS 4096/1024 Key Fingerprint (KeyID: 3E7B4B73): 9DAD 3131 3ADA Lionel F50B D096 002A B1C4 7317 3E7B 4B73 Best regards, tracer files attached: none Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: %ATTACHMENTS: doesnt show files attached
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 Hello Alexander, Tuesday, Tuesday, October 19, 1999, you wrote: Alexander Hi there! Alexander On 18 Oct 99, at 17:40, tracer wrote Alexander about "Re[2]: %ATTACHMENTS: doesnt show fi": Anyway, I am fairly sure I can generate proper Thai with that DB font. The switcher seems to produce different symbols etc so I think it means that with that Thai mono font (ie one of the DB fonts I mislaid) it should produce thai. One of my friends probably has it as he is in graphical design but he just returned from Singapore with some new hardware and his designing is better then his hardware knowledge (g) he is good at it but misses the experience you only get from many different messed up systems... Alexander 'Bout the Thai support. In theory, having in mind you say that Alexander Thai is a 8-bit system (is it?), you have to do the following: Alexander 1. Find out, what is the default MIME charset for Thai and what Alexander mapping it uses (well, anybody knows where OL stores the Alexander encoding vectors? Eudora stores these in *.trn files, if I'm not Alexander mistaken. If OL stores these in readable form and supports Alexander Thai, you might be able to get it from there); Alexander 2. Update the X-Lat table for Thai (if needed) correspondingly; Alexander 3. For writing Thai, set up the encoding in the message editor Alexander (or via templates) to the Thai default MIME set. 8 bit, BUT. problems seems to be several characters having to be used above and below normal characters and what we as non thais may not mind, thais tend to have fairly sensitive toes when things donot look normal. There are several workgroups and websites devoted to the subject and by far the easier way is to either run it under a Thai fully enabled windows (which I have really not used myself recently) OR to run it with a small switcher. Local foreigners, ie most of our customers will want an English/German or whatever windows but NOT thai. Unless there is a secretary/girlfriend on the system... Example: this morning I got a French Swiss system, main problem I didnt have a suitable keyboard but he also wanted Thai 99% of our users are non Thai anyway, and the only requirment is really a decent non proportional font as they would have the switcher on their system anyway, for Word or whatever. And if they are Thai, windows should take care of it. Other category customers we have are japanese/chinese email requirements under English windows... Without having to setup Japanese or chinese windows on a separate drive... Alexander SY, Alex Alexander (St.Petersburg, Russia) Best regards, tracer files attached: none Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[8]: Can Thai be used??
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 Hello Thomas, Tuesday, Tuesday, October 19, 1999, you wrote: Thomas Hi tracer, Thomas on Tuesday, October 19, 1999, 2:47:25 AM, tracer wrote: Thomas My X-LAT table does not include Thai... :-( t I selected 'add', and Thai was on the list (scroll down ) and so I t selected it. Doesnt do a thing though... Thomas If you go through the table, there is actually no Thai alphabet in Thomas there. Only the name changes, but the actual table remains Thomas ISO-8859-1. t somehow is now called iso-thai Thomas In that case, you have the actual table, I don't. :-( I created it as ISO-8859-1, No idea why its now called iso-thai. I will check if anything else changed... t anyway the mono font works but its a horrible font with bugs. t I use an external 3 kb language switcher running under normal 98 v2 t Shown an email from the isp about logons. Thomas Is that the Chula switcher you sent to me? Sorry, I haven't tried it Thomas yet. yes, that will happily switch you but you get a headache from the ABC. I will ask a friend to dig through his system, we rebuild it last night with me on the phone(g), and as the switcher is small to get rid of it, use the 3 fingers... Thomas You sent the jpg file also "on" the list... anyway, I agree, it is not Thomas beautiful at all. I have some more fonts, but I think they are not Thomas monospaced and thus TB does not show them. So they won't help. no problem, there are hundreds of fonts around here, so it shouldnt be that difficult to find one and if necessary I just combine the english part of one back into this Thai font... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: New user question
Hello, "Andrew K. Lovetski" wrote: LEM Hey! I just thought of that! Maybe a "Reply-To: XXX" with "Kludges" LEM would work? Or does it match only against Kludges content and not LEM Kludges names? It should match against kludges as you see them. So, if you have "Reply-To: XXX", then it should match, Works. I tried it on the X-Mailer kludge, works. but if you have "Reply-To: YYY, XXX", then it won't, I suppose. I suppose also. But maybe by using the "regular expressions" thing we could do it. I just didn't find any info on this in the documentation... I know what a regular expression is, but not the particular syntax they chose. LEM The 'Sender' choice, only the 'From' kludge or also the 'Sender' LEM kludge? "Sender" = From, Reply-to, may be Sender, too - test it and report us! No, Sender is not From. Check this very single message you are reading now: 'From' is me, 'Sender' is the TBDUL Listbot! Your message, e.g. looks like this: From: "Andrew K. Lovetski" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... cut Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quite different, eh! That's the way I used to filter mailing-list messages in Netscape. 'Sender' hits in Reply-To, I tested. I'm testing the 'Sender' kludge vs 'Sender' choice with this particular msg. -- Lionel Mamane -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
