(No Subject)
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. I have been sorting my folders by creation date and time. However, I've been puzzled by the fact that I see a lot of responses before seeing the message responded to. Is it possible that the creation time is local? If so, is there a configuration setting that will allow me to convert these times to my local time, or to UT? Thanks. Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
On 22 October 1999 at 08:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: KR I have been sorting my folders by creation date and time. KR However, I've been puzzled by the fact that I see a lot of KR responses before seeing the message responded to. KR Is it possible that the creation time is local? If so, is there a KR configuration setting that will allow me to convert these times to KR my local time, or to UT? Message times are internationally corrected and usually work fine for sorting. Individual PC system clocks, however, are a law unto themselves ;-). Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: *.bmp attachment
Hi tracer, on Friday, October 22, 1999, 8:24:39 PM, tracer wrote: §yafril" Any explanation why TB so slow to view/open messages with *.bmp §yafril" attachment ? [...] t Now on the other hand I have noticed that if the bat has been open for t a while and you edit and look many things, system gets slower and t slower. t I have 256 mb ram and essentially it ends freezing after a few hours. t I suspect a nice leak in memory and non released resources due to t file openings and closures being the reason. My computer also freezes after c ouple of hours of work and I also suspected the same as you. A memory dump (mem/d in dos) does not provide any evidence, so I kept my mouth (keyboard) shut. If there are unreleased resources, they could be caused by number of other programmes I use all day opening and closing files. -- Best regards, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: *.bmp attachment
On 22 October 1999 at 15:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: t Now on the other hand I have noticed that if the bat has been open t for a while and you edit and look many things, system gets slower t and slower. I have 256 mb ram and essentially it ends freezing t after a few hours. I suspect a nice leak in memory and non t released resources due to file openings and closures being the t reason. TF My computer also freezes after c ouple of hours of work and I also TF suspected the same as you. A memory dump (mem/d in dos) does not TF provide any evidence, so I kept my mouth (keyboard) shut. TF If there are unreleased resources, they could be caused by number of TF other programmes I use all day opening and closing files. I can't say that I've noticed any memory / resource degradation and I keep TB running 24 / 7. Although reboots are a common occurrence (TVM M$) I have periods when my 96mb Laptop will run for a few days non-stop. TB doesn't seem to resource steal at all and I use it a lot. Perhaps it is only the use of certain features / aspects which may have resource leaks, ones which I don't visit regularly enough to have an impact. Just my $.02 Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
Friday, October 22, 1999, 2:25:49 AM, Marck wrote: Message times are internationally corrected and usually work fine for sorting. Individual PC system clocks, however, are a law unto themselves ;-). geek Always good to have a tool to reset your PC's clock to one of the tier 2 servers. Personally I have my server syncing with 3-4 tier 2 servers and all my other machines sync off it. I generally don't see more than 1-2 seconds of drift on any of my machines. /geek -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: *.bmp attachment
Friday, October 22, 1999, 5:24:39 AM, tracer wrote: I have 256 mb ram and essentially it ends freezing after a few hours. I suspect a nice leak in memory and non released resources due to file openings and closures being the reason. I don't think this may be the case. I've worked with programs that have had memory leaks and TB! is actually well behaved compared to them. I run TB! on a Win95OSR2b system 2/3rds of the time and a WinNT system the remaining 1/3rd. Only time it isn't running on one or the other is commute time. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: (No Subject)
In Reference to "(No Subject)" From Steve Lamb: SL Friday, October 22, 1999, 2:25:49 AM, Marck wrote: Message times are internationally corrected and usually work fine for sorting. Individual PC system clocks, however, are a law unto themselves ;-). SL geek SL Always good to have a tool to reset your PC's clock to one of the tier 2 SL servers. Personally I have my server syncing with 3-4 tier 2 servers and all SL my other machines sync off it. I generally don't see more than 1-2 seconds of SL drift on any of my machines. SL /geek dumbass I've never heard (or seen) the term "tier 2 server". Does this differ from using one of the atomic clock sites to sync with? /dumbass -- - Nick Nick Danger's Complimentary Curse (©¿©): May 65,535 sleazy telephone sanitizes spray-paint graffiti between your tonsils. Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
Friday, October 22, 1999, 8:39:43 AM, Nick wrote: dumbass I've never heard (or seen) the term "tier 2 server". Does this differ from using one of the atomic clock sites to sync with? /dumbass Basically, yeah. The tiers are how far removed from the atomic clocks you are. Generally it is a bad idea to sync directly with a tier 1 server since they're generally very busy serving other servers (tier 2) or hosts that have some good reason to have a very precise clock. For me, syncing my server off a tier 2 clock and syncing the rest off my server is good enough. I simply don't need to be in the 3-5 second catagory and don't mind that much drift at all. It is precise enough for my mail to be correctly placed with the rest of the world and for me to set my house clocks to and still get to work on time. ;) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
Friday, October 22, 1999, 9:11:57 AM, Ali wrote: messages may have the same time but the order in which they're listed reflects the order in which TBUDL server got the messages. Well, in theory, yeah. However, it is possible that, say, two messages come in and while the first one is stuck on some delivery for some reason the other zips through and so your server would get the 2nd message before the 1st. The most accurate would be that sorting be the received time will reflect the order your ISPs server got the messages in. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: (No Subject)
On 22 October 1999 at 16:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: SL geek SL Always good to have a tool to reset your PC's clock to one of the tier 2 SL servers. Personally I have my server syncing with 3-4 tier 2 servers and all SL my other machines sync off it. I generally don't see more than 1-2 seconds of SL drift on any of my machines. SL /geek Ditto :-P (natch). Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: (No Subject)
Friday, October 22, 1999, 10:18:01 AM, Ali wrote: Why aren't there more errors as there probably should be when using the received time? Is it because the messages are all about the same size leading to no significant holdups with one message as opposed to another or is it that it's rare for two messages to arrive on the TBUDL server at the same time. I never mentioned size. All it takes is one SMTP server in the queue lagging and a later message can exceed an earlier message. A network hiccup could also cause the problem, and so on. With MTAs like Exim and Postfix which don't send messages serially (or, in fact, addresses within a single message serially) it is likely. Not often, but it can happen. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
problems with messages PGP signed by me
Hi! I have trouble with signing and checking messages... When I send a message to myself and sign the WHOLE message with PGP and check the received message i get a "not valid". If I do the same with just a BLOCK - everything is fine. I suspect that the bat is changing the message when it sends it - i just can't find out how... (character table translation?) any ideas? PAT -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Missing Attachments
Hello Keith, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote at: Twice now, I have received messages with attachments, but the attachment did not show up in TB. There was no attachment pane and no attachment icon in the message list. Has anyone else seen this? Yes, this just happened to me with an e-mail from an AOL user. I was able to look at the attachment in my attachment directory though. Gerald -- Gerald Birkenstock mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.birkenstocks.de/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Address Book file format
Hi, tracer. t You donot have to read their format as long a you have a suitable export t format and the more standard the less headache and the more chance a program t exists to do what you want to do. Yup... But I like to work directly on the original file... Otherwise I have to export the AB and then read it from my APP... it's not a bad solution, but I think it's better to know the original file format. My development tool lets me read (almost) any file format, so that's not a problem. -- Best regards Juanma -- To get my public PGP key, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=pgp_key -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Clock syncing
Hi Steve, on Friday, October 22, 1999, 11:50:09 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: SL For me, syncing my server off a tier 2 clock and syncing the rest off SL my server is good enough. I simply don't need to be in the 3-5 second SL catagory and don't mind that much drift at all. It is precise enough for my SL mail to be correctly placed with the rest of the world and for me to set my SL house clocks to and still get to work on time. ;) Let me make myself look stupid: Where can I donwload such a clock-syncronizer? Is it freeware? And does it work for LAN's as well (Novell Netware)? -- Thanks, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Clock syncing
Hi all, On Friday, October 22, 1999, 10:19:07 PM (-5 GMT), Thomas scribbled: ==8=== Let me make myself look stupid: Where can I donwload such a clock-syncronizer? Is it freeware? And does it work for LAN's as well (Novell Netware)? 'Horas' which I use isn't freeware. It's available at: http://www.basta.com/ProdHoras.htm Costs $15. -- Regards, -=Ali=- Oxymoron: Sweet Pickle. *---* Using The Bat! 1.36 on Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 5) *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: THE BAT! Will it be a newsreader option ?
DOLIST, On Saturday, October 23, 1999, at 5:54 you wrote: DSI Hello, DSI THE BAT! already does most of the e-mail job, any chance to have DSI newsgroup read/send. DSI Think of it, all in one is better to switch between many software DSI and Outlook/Communicator integrates both mail and news. This is where I think you will find the most disagreement. The majority of the list members (let me clarify that, the majority back when the list was on PCSInet, the demographics may have changed some since then.) Felt very strongly against incorporating other functions like news reading, and even HTML into TB. Yes Outlook and Communicator package all that stuff together, but they are both bloated pigs of software that don't do their jobs very well. A certain phrase comes to mind when thinking about these two software packages. "Jack of all trades, master of none." I would much rather use separate pieces of software that are "masters" than one kludged together bloated pig that can do a little bit of everything. For instance, here is my software use: Mail TB Usenet News Agent Browser Opera FTP Cute FTP D/L Manager Getright Pic ViewerACDSee TelnetCRT 3.0 IM/chat ICQ Chat mIRC Clipboard Clipmate Text Textpad 4 Online timer Logtime AVNorton Stocks/MF PSM C2C link Laplink Pro I'm sure my list will differ in areas from others (everybody has their favorites), but my point is that I don't want a piece of software that can only do a half job. I realize that for a great number of Internet/computer users, this may not be the case, because they don't push the envelope. A "Cashless God". Is THAT what they mean by "non Denominational" Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBT List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium 266 with 64MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Missing Attachments
Keith, On Saturday, October 23, 1999, at 4:04 you wrote: KR Hello, everyone. KR Twice now, I have received messages with attachments, but the KR attachment did not show up in TB. There was no attachment pane and KR no attachment icon in the message list. Take another look at the massage in question. Do you see any tabs on the bottom of the message in preview mode? If so, click on the other tab(s) to see if it is there. If someone sends me an HTML message with an attachment, TB displays the HTML message, but I must click on the "1" tab to actually see the plain message with the attachments. Hopefully, this is the case, if not then I'm not sure what the problem is. Maybe you could post the headers to the list so we can try and see if something is wrong there. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBT List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium 266 with 64MB. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: THE BAT! Will it be a newsreader option ?
On Sat, Oct 23, 1999 at 01:07:32PM +0900, Leif Gregory wrote: I would much rather use separate pieces of software that are "masters" than one kludged together bloated pig that can do a little bit of everything. Not to mention that with the common trend of trying to stuff everything into single applications people who *like* to use small, specialized applications are constantly switching as their current favorites grow to "compete". For instance, here is my software use: For comparison here is my list for Linux then Windows. ;) Mail TB L: Mutt W: TB!, PMMail Usenet News Agent L: SLRN W: nothing (would be, uhm, XNews, I think) Browser Opera L: Netscape, Lynx W: Opera FTP Cute FTP L: lftp W: LeechFTP D/L Manager Getright N/A (FTP everything possible) Pic ViewerACDSee L: gtksee W: ACDSee TelnetCRT 3.0 L: telnet, ssh W: TeraTerm Pro w/TTSSH extentions IM/chat ICQ L: licq, micq W: ICQ Chat mIRC L: BitchX W: Xircon Clipboard Clipmate N/A Text Textpad 4 L: vim W: vim (as an aside, vim is also my mail editor on Linux, I'd like it to be on TB! as TB!'s editor only has real-time spell checking going for it, and it is also my news editor and my programming editor. IE, Windows forces me to use 4 different editors with different keybindings and capabilities. Unix lets me pick one editor that does it all and does it damned good. *That* is a prime example of using specialized programs for the task at hand. Online timer Logtime N/A AVNorton N/A Stocks/MF PSM N/A C2C link Laplink Pro L/W: NFS, Samba(SMB) mounts, FTP... I'm sure my list will differ in areas from others (everybody has their favorites) I'm sure mine differs as well. I try to go with free software whenever possible. That is why I use TeraTerm Pro instead of SecureCRT. TTP with TTSSH extenstions has the same feature set that I need as SecureCRT and costs $99 less. Aside from Opera, PMMail (which I no longer really use) Quicken98 there isn't much software on the Windows side that I've paid for and I don't think there is any in which I am violating the license. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Clock syncing
Friday, October 22, 1999, 8:19:07 PM, Thomas wrote: Let me make myself look stupid: Where can I donwload such a clock-syncronizer? Is it freeware? And does it work for LAN's as well (Novell Netware)? The one I use is Automachron which is free http://www.cam.org/~oneguy/ -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Chinese Character Set
Hallo Syafril, On Friday, October 22, 1999, 11:10:30 PM, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: SH I found something this morning, maybe you'd like to know. SH I installed The Bat! international language pack, and this morning I SH got a message from China (*.cn), which write his name in China SH Character set. SH I change the language to china (Option|language|chinese), at a sudden SH all The Bat! menu change to china Char set, but the reply message SH (above) still use ISO-8559-1. Yes, this only switches the interface langauge, and has nothing do to with the langauge of the message itself. SH From editor, I change the character set to MingLiu...then I can SH see the right character set (his name) in reply his message. I was trying this. I downloaded the latest language pack, too. However, my TB editor does not show any Chinese encoding. If this works, and I take it that you run an English windows, it would mean that anybody with an English Windows and TB can read/write Chinese-language emails, no need for additional sofrtware. By extension, this would hold true for other languages, not only CJK but also Thai. This would be most excellent. Kindly advise which editor you use. SH Because I don't use Chinese Keyboard nor read Chinese, I can't make SH further test. You could send me a screenshot, so I can check whether it is "really" Chinese or just "looks like it". I am copying the Chinese Bat! mailing list in. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Clock syncing
Hallo Ali, On Saturday, October 23, 1999, 12:02:29 PM, Ali Martin wrote: Let me make myself look stupid: Where can I donwload such a clock-syncronizer? Is it freeware? And does it work for LAN's as well (Novell Netware)? AM 'Horas' which I use isn't freeware. It's available at: AM http://www.basta.com/ProdHoras.htm AM Costs $15. Thanks. I just downloaded it for eveluation. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Clock syncing
Hallo Steve, On Saturday, October 23, 1999, 1:47:02 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: Let me make myself look stupid: Where can I donwload such a clock-syncronizer? Is it freeware? And does it work for LAN's as well (Novell Netware)? SL The one I use is Automachron which is free SL http://www.cam.org/~oneguy/ Thanks, I've downloaded this now on my home computer for evaluation. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
