Re: Multiple problems with "the bat"

[Ali Martin]

On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 14:10:51 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

[reasons for not using folder view snipped...]
>  so basically: a matter of taste.

Yes, it is. I used to find the folder view awkward but now that I've
gotten used to it and I can't go back to the preview window. That
sense of relief that I should feel if I thought it was the better way
for me is just not there and I end up going back to folder view. :)

AM>> Messages aren't registered as read when I don't want them to be.

> As I need to read all messages, and all of them right away (except
> TBUDL ), they will be read when I focus on them in the message
> list. However, I would appreciate a "seen" flag as discussed earlier,
> for those that will have to be ansered but not right away. Currently I
> always click on "reply", but the resume reading other messages. Later
> I look what reply editor windows are open.

Personally, I've created a 'reply' folder and place in it, messages
that I intend to reply to but not immediately. I then set up reply
filters using the incoming filters by copying them over and changing
the source folder. When I reply to the message, it's filtered back to
it's appropriate folder.

If version 2 supports message color coding or provides other labeling
methods then I can do away with this reply folder thing.

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Re[3]: "old" attachments

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Andrew,

on Friday, December 24, 1999, 2:57:25 AM GMT+0800, Andrew K. Lovetski wrote:

 I have noticed that the attachments to these parked messages seem to
 disappear.

R>>> that's funny ... i just noticed that my 'attach' directory is full of old 
R>>> attachments without messages.  ;-)

As a matter of fact, I just checked the directory using DOS, and there
are a lot of old attachments in the "attach" diorectory. Only TB does
not find them.

AKL> Same situation here. A lot of old attachments without messages.
AKL> Though, I have no parked messages in the Trash folder, which is the
AKL> only folder with the setting "Delete after 7 days" enabled.

I was referring to folders that have this option set. I think there is
no problem for folders that do not automatically delete old messages.

AKL> My directories are set as "Default", default encoding is Base64, "Bind
AKL> attachments only while sending out mail" is not checked. Though, all
AKL> this should not matter...

No, it shouldn't, but I have the same settings for  all it's worth.

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Re[2]: Multiple problems with "the bat"

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Ali,

on Friday, December 24, 1999, 6:48:25 AM GMT+0800, Ali Martin wrote:

AM> I have a setup identical to Steve's and do prefer not using the
AM> preview window for a couple reasons he sited, namely that it reduces
AM> having to scroll through the message list since more of it is visible.

OK, I am using the rpeview pane *always*, and never use the folder
view. I think it makes it easier for me to scroll through the messages
one after the otehr, while at the same tiome knowing how far I have
progressed in my first task of the business day: "read your emails!".

AM> The first is that the folder view window has more navigational
AM> shortcuts and toolbar buttons available such as Ctrl+up/down and
AM> Shift+Ctrl+up/down. These shortcuts do not work when navigating the
AM> main windows message list.

My focus is on the message lsit.  and  or the rpevious/next
message respectively. No need for any  (and also ) key
hitting.

AM> I index my messages in descending order so that I may read them using
AM> the spacebar alone. I just jump from message to message.

That's what I do.

AM> If I start reading a message in the preview window, paging down with
AM> the space bar, I start doing this with the focus on the preview
AM> window.

Focus on the message list. It makes sense. I'm hardly ever going
"upwards" in an email - and for those few occasions, a shortkey
 is in the wish-list.

AM> Why the focus changes when moving from one message to the
AM> next? I don't see why this has to be so but clearly can see why it
AM> shouldn't be.

OK, I agree, the focus shouldn't change. I would call this a bug.
Neverless, leave the focus on message list, makes more sense anyway.

AM> When reading with the folder view window, there is no focus to change,
AM> unless you have the message list for the folder view window open,
AM> which I don't. :) Everything therefore works a lot more smoothly and
AM> predictably (maybe consistently is a better word), I don't
AM> inadvertently jump to other messages while trying to read one message.

I tried this but found myself having to use the mouse a lot, at the
same time not seeing enough of the main window - what new message
just came in (on certain folders, my eyes are programmed to red-alert
me when new msgs comes in), so basically: a matter of taste.

AM> Messages aren't registered as read when I don't want them to be.

As I need to read all messages, and all of them right away (except
TBUDL ), they will be read when I focus on them in the message
list. However, I would appreciate a "seen" flag as discussed earlier,
for those that will have to be ansered but not right away. Currently I
always click on "reply", but the resume reading other messages. Later
I look what reply editor windows are open.

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Re: My "Plus" and "Minus" Symbols Look Awful!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Keith,

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:54:54 -0700GMT (12/24/1999, 12:54 +0800GMT),
Keith Russell wrote:

KR>   I am using 1.38e, but the '+' and '-'s to the left of my folders
KR>   (those that have subfolders) are "washed out," to the extent that
KR>   they are indistinguishable. It's hard to tell whether a folder is
KR>   expanded or collapsed.

They look sharp over here. Can it have anything to do with your
Windows setting - or your tube, actually?

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Re[3]: Keyboard Shortcut to move to next unread message?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Oliver,

On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 02:48:26 +0100GMT (12/24/1999, 09:48 +0800GMT),
Oliver Sturm wrote:

AM>> Ctrl+] should do that for you. :)

OS> Hm.  On a german keyboard you have to hit Ctrl, also keep the key "Alt
OS> Gr" pressed and use your left foot to get to "]". Then you see that it
OS> doesn't work, because only Quick Search pops up. Hm.

Ja, that's not the only shortcut that's different on a German
keyboard. Try and let us know!

- Someone should really make a seperate shortcut lsit ofr
German/European keyboards.

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Re[5]: Filters for outgoing messages?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Oliver,

On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 02:46:42 +0100GMT (12/24/1999, 09:46 +0800GMT),
Oliver Sturm wrote:

OS> Then he found it out: Some other guy had taken a screenshot of the
OS> empty desktop, switched to a higher resolution, moved all the
OS> icons away from the usual desktop space, reestablished the old
OS> resolution and put in the screenshot as the desktop bsckground
OS> picture. Good idea to frighten you younger sister ;)

I *love* this idea (I mean about the screenshot - not the sister )!
It's creative.

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My "Plus" and "Minus" Symbols Look Awful!

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

  I think I remember this being discussed in conjunction with an
  earlier release, but thought it had been fixed.

  I am using 1.38e, but the '+' and '-'s to the left of my folders
  (those that have subfolders) are "washed out," to the extent that
  they are indistinguishable. It's hard to tell whether a folder is
  expanded or collapsed.

  Is there a way to make them look better?

  Thanks.


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Re: Missing Folder

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

I thought I would swallow my pride and let everyone know the
resolution to my problem.

My "missing" folder was there. Somehow (I have no idea how), it
managed to get moved. It had been moved under one of the other
folders, which was collapsed, so I didn't see it in my folder list.

Now, why neither Windows nor DOS found it is another question I can't
answer

So RIT Labs is off the hook...The Bat! is still the best!



Embarrassed and feeling like a real newbie,

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Other windows crashes

[Frank Farance]

The Bat somehow corrupts the registry when you select it as the default mailer.  The 
following test should recreate the problem:

1. Install Eudora Light
2. Run Eudora so it asks "should I be your default mail program?".  Answer Yes.
3. Install The Bat.
4. Run The Bat so it asks "should I be your default mail program?".  Answer 
Yes.
5. Run Eudora again so it asks "should I be your default mail program?".  
Answer Yes.
6. Winodws will crash hard.

It is difficult to fix the registry at this point.  My solution is to exit from 
Windows to DOS mode and type:

scanreg /restore

Which can restore yesterday's copy of the registry.   I'm not sure if this works on 
all Win98 workstations.  I'm pretty sure it doesn't work on Win95 workstations.  I've 
had no problem with Eudora and other mailers (Outlook, Netscape), so I think the 
problem is related to The Bat.

My configuration? IBM ThinkPad 770X with 320MB RAM, Pentium 300MHz, running Win98 
(first edition).  Resources are not a problem because you can recreate the windows 
crashing problem just after reboot.

FYI, I'm sending this via Eudora because I am happy *not* to run The Bat.  It seems 
like no one on this list is really interested in fixing problems ... only 
rationalizations:

- When I report usability problems ... the response is "it's the user's fault".

- When I report problems with the on-line help ... I'm told that I didn't go 
through every option and experiment (the response should have been "let's make the 
on-line help more useful").

- When I report an internationalization problem (or a localization problem, 
depending on your perspective) ... I'm told that I should be happy with the date in 
the format of "dd MMM " (regardless of my localization settings).

- When I report that the text entry box operates differently than all others 
(i.e., cursor positioning is wrong) ... I'm told that the main feature of that 
very-different approach is that I can build tables by just going "cursor down" (yes, I 
used the Z editor and all its prior versions in the mid-1970's, but how often does one 
need to build tables in E-mail) ... regardless, the UI to this program is very 
different than all other Windows (or even Motif) applications ... this causes 
usability problems.

The people that create open source software have higher quality because everyone can 
fix things.  This software should be open-sourced so that problems could get fixed.  
The application is very far from being mature.  Sure, Eudora Light isn't perfect and 
lacks many bells and whistles, but it is *reliable*, it uses an *existing* file 
format, and for many people it is relatively easy to learn *basic* use (it can also do 
a reasonable job for filtering, address books, and fonts).  I'm a software engineer 
for over 20 years, but I am choosing E-mail products for *non-technical* people (thus, 
interest in products like Eudora, Outlook, Netscape, The Bat).

I'm sure many of you will send criticisms of my points, but you should take a serious 
look at the questions posed above (paragraph and bullets starting with "FYI") and the 
responses given over the E-mail reflector.  I really think you should ask yourself (1) 
if those responses I've received are reasonable, and (2) if those responses would 
encourage wide-scale use of The Bat, just as Eudora has.

I heard about The Bat because someone forwarded E-mail to me about a story in the 
Register.  I think the Register should be listening to this discussion ... they might 
not be as gushing next time in their reporting.

Finally, I'm *not* a big fan of Eudora, but I use it because it works.  There are a 
bunch of little quirks, but mostly stuff I can live with.  Because E-mail is critical 
to my business, I can't live with a buggy, hard-to-use problem like The Bat.  Since I 
paid for The Bat, I'll probably keep it around to get at those occassional uuencoded 
files that Eudora doesn't handle well.

Good luck!

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Re[5]: Filters for outgoing messages?

[tracer]

Hello Oliver Sturm,
On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 02:46:42 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, December 24, 1999, 8:46:42 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Oliver Sturm wrote:

Oliver> Hi Roel,

Oliver> On Freitag, 24. Dezember 1999 at 2:08:18 you wrote:


R if you want to use windows-variables, you should use them like this:
R %windowsdir%

OS>>> Nice   to   know  that  works  ;)  Anyway,  of  course  I  didn't  put
OS>>> ""  in  there, but actually "d:\winnt". I just didn't want
OS>>> to confuse anybody ;)

R>> I've seen stranger things being typed before... if you would have actually
R>> typed '' it wouldn't have surprised me... :-)

Oliver> That's  alright ;) I've seen things like that, too, while working as a
Oliver> trainer  for  a  consulting  company.  There's  a  funny  story that's
Oliver> crossing my mind... maybe not everyone knows that trick:

Oliver> Someone  complained  to  a coleague of mine he couldn't use any of the
Oliver> icons  on his desktop. My coleague tried to figure it out (that was on
Oliver> a  Windows  NT course ;), but it wasn't possible to click on any icon.
Oliver> He  rebooted,  tried  everything. Then he found it out: Some other guy
Oliver> had  taken  a  screenshot  of  the empty desktop, switched to a higher
Oliver> resolution,  moved  all  the  icons away from the usual desktop space,
Oliver> reestablished  the  old  resolution  and  put in the screenshot as the
Oliver> desktop  bsckground  picture. Good idea to frighten you younger sister
Oliver> ;)

I used a similar trick for many years even in the green tube displays
to
1. not being auto logged off from my mainframes/minis when visiting a
user,
and
2. to prevent them messing with my machine while I wasnt at it.
it was running and nobody could acess my system unless they knew how to
and the users in those days didnt have a clue.

Oliver> Thanks for your testing, also to Ali.

Oliver> Oliver Sturm

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Re: Windows crashes

[Ali Martin]

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:56:29 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:

[]
> The idea was to fix the registry as a whole. To do that:
> 1. Reboot to DOS prompt
> 2. type in "regedit" (w/o quotes)
> 3. It will tell you it's commandline syntax.
> 4. Export your registry to a file

> 5. *recreate* (NOT import) your registry from that previously 
> made file.

How exactly do you do this recreation?

> 6. Reboot back.


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Re[2]: Filters for outgoing messages?

[tracer]

Hello Ali Martin,
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:59:46 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, December 24, 1999, 7:59:46 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Ali Martin wrote:

Ali> On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 01:39:59 +0100, Oliver Sturm wrote:


AM>>> I included my windows directory as well and it also worked. 

>> It  does  work.  I  fell for some nasty translation error... There's a
>> check  box  beneath that edit field saying "Run hidden". I usually use
>> The  Bat!  with  german  language  and  in  german  it  says  "Erzeuge
>> getrennten  Prozess", which means "Create separate process". Of course
>> I checked that one... seemed to be a good idea.
sounds like a bug to be fixed...

Ali> And here lies a perhaps underestimated reason for why things do not
Ali> work for many. :)))

Ali> I'm glad you sorted things out.


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Re[2]: Windows crashes

[tracer]

Hello Alexander V. Kiselev,
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:56:29 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, December 24, 1999, 2:56:29 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:

Alexander> Hi there!

Alexander> On 23 Dec 99, at 16:53, Roel wrote
Alexander> about "Re[2]: Windows crashes":

>> AVK> Registry problem. Fix it, and voila.
>> 
>> if it was that simple...
>>  (btw: you don't happen to have the key we'd have to fix?)

Alexander> The idea was to fix the registry as a whole. To do that:
Alexander> 1. Reboot to DOS prompt
Alexander> 2. type in "regedit" (w/o quotes)
Alexander> 3. It will tell you it's commandline syntax.
Alexander> 4. Export your registry to a file
Alexander> 5. *recreate* (NOT import) your registry from that previously 
Alexander> made file.
Alexander> 6. Reboot back.

Alexander> That's all. Somehow all the explorer-crash problems get 
Alexander> eliminated...

>> here it only happens on high-processor-usage, _every_ time when
>> i've got the intellimouse-drivers installed (version of drivers
>> doesn't matter...) or when my resources drop below 40% (which is more
>> common than you might think - i'm running under 60% for about 65% of
>> my 'active' pc-time)...

Alexander> That's another problem: low resources. But the author of the 
Alexander> initial query had apparently the registry-related problem (IMO).
If its a problem with 98 and it only happened during the last few
days, you can also use scanreg under dos and recover a version from
before the corruption.
ONE reason why computers with 98 should be switched off on a regular
basis as the first boot of the day that backup gets updated...
I have seen portables which didnt have backups as the machines are
never off, always in sleep mode...

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Re[4]: Filters for outgoing messages?

[Oliver Sturm]

Hi Roel,

On Freitag, 24. Dezember 1999 at 2:08:18 you wrote:


R>>> if you want to use windows-variables, you should use them like this:
R>>> %windowsdir%

OS>> Nice   to   know  that  works  ;)  Anyway,  of  course  I  didn't  put
OS>> ""  in  there, but actually "d:\winnt". I just didn't want
OS>> to confuse anybody ;)

R> I've seen stranger things being typed before... if you would have actually
R> typed '' it wouldn't have surprised me... :-)

That's  alright ;) I've seen things like that, too, while working as a
trainer  for  a  consulting  company.  There's  a  funny  story that's
crossing my mind... maybe not everyone knows that trick:

Someone  complained  to  a coleague of mine he couldn't use any of the
icons  on his desktop. My coleague tried to figure it out (that was on
a  Windows  NT course ;), but it wasn't possible to click on any icon.
He  rebooted,  tried  everything. Then he found it out: Some other guy
had  taken  a  screenshot  of  the empty desktop, switched to a higher
resolution,  moved  all  the  icons away from the usual desktop space,
reestablished  the  old  resolution  and  put in the screenshot as the
desktop  bsckground  picture. Good idea to frighten you younger sister
;)

Thanks for your testing, also to Ali.

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Re[2]: Keyboard Shortcut to move to next unread message?

[Oliver Sturm]

Hi Ali Martin,

On Freitag, 24. Dezember 1999 at 1:58:08 you wrote:


AM> []
>> Moving to the _next_ unread message has no shortcut apparently.

AM> Ctrl+] should do that for you. :)

Hm.  On a german keyboard you have to hit Ctrl, also keep the key "Alt
Gr" pressed and use your left foot to get to "]". Then you see that it
doesn't work, because only Quick Search pops up. Hm.


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Re[3]: Filters for outgoing messages?

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Hello Oliver,

R>> if you want to use windows-variables, you should use them like this:
R>> %windowsdir%

OS> Nice   to   know  that  works  ;)  Anyway,  of  course  I  didn't  put
OS> ""  in  there, but actually "d:\winnt". I just didn't want
OS> to confuse anybody ;)

I've seen stranger things being typed before... if you would have actually
typed '' it wouldn't have surprised me... :-)
(not implying you're stupid or so...)

explains my explanation :-)

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Re: Filters for outgoing messages?

[Ali Martin]

On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 01:39:59 +0100, Oliver Sturm wrote:


AM>> I included my windows directory as well and it also worked. 

> It  does  work.  I  fell for some nasty translation error... There's a
> check  box  beneath that edit field saying "Run hidden". I usually use
> The  Bat!  with  german  language  and  in  german  it  says  "Erzeuge
> getrennten  Prozess", which means "Create separate process". Of course
> I checked that one... seemed to be a good idea.

And here lies a perhaps underestimated reason for why things do not
work for many. :)))

I'm glad you sorted things out.

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Re: Keyboard Shortcut to move to next unread message?

[Ali Martin]

On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 01:46:37 +0100, Oliver Sturm wrote:

[]
> Moving to the _next_ unread message has no shortcut apparently.

Ctrl+] should do that for you. :)

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Re[2]: Filters for outgoing messages?

[Oliver Sturm]

Hi Roel,

On Donnerstag, 23. Dezember 1999 at 23:08:25 you wrote:


OS>>  Then I put "\explorer.exe" in the edit

R> just put 'explorer.exe' or 'explorer' in the field, that'll do it :-)

R> if you want to use windows-variables, you should use them like this:

R> %windowsdir%

Nice   to   know  that  works  ;)  Anyway,  of  course  I  didn't  put
""  in  there, but actually "d:\winnt". I just didn't want
to confuse anybody ;)


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Keyboard Shortcut to move to next unread message?

[Oliver Sturm]

Hi there,

the subject says it. I found Ctrl-ß to be for moving to the _previous_
unread message. I have no instant idea why I would want that ;) Moving
to the _next_ unread message has no shortcut apparently.

Thanks!

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Re[2]: Filters for outgoing messages?

[Oliver Sturm]

Hi Ali Martin,

On Donnerstag, 23. Dezember 1999 at 23:59:55 you wrote:

AM> On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 23:08:25 +0100, Roel wrote:

>> just put 'explorer.exe' or 'explorer' in the field, that'll do it :-)

AM> I included my windows directory as well and it also worked. 

It  does  work.  I  fell for some nasty translation error... There's a
check  box  beneath that edit field saying "Run hidden". I usually use
The  Bat!  with  german  language  and  in  german  it  says  "Erzeuge
getrennten  Prozess", which means "Create separate process". Of course
I checked that one... seemed to be a good idea.

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Re: How to suppress the S/N - was - Re[2]: privacy

[Ali Martin]

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 23:54:55 +0100, Dieter Hummel wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 at 00:12:40 [GMT +0500] Denis V. Petelin wrote:
> ^^^

> You don't accept Y2K _this_ end of December?

Sorting messages by received time, to the rescue. :

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Re: Filters for outgoing messages?

[Ali Martin]

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 23:08:25 +0100, Roel wrote:

> just put 'explorer.exe' or 'explorer' in the field, that'll do it :-)

I included my windows directory as well and it also worked. 

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Re: Filters for outgoing messages?

[Ali Martin]

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 23:00:27 +0100, Oliver Sturm wrote:

> I  tried  to establish a filter for outgoing messages... it should run
> an  external  program  before  sending the message. So I created a new
> filter  for "Outgoing mail", entered my own mail address together with
> "Sender"  as  a  filtering string and on the page Actions checked "Run
> external  program". Then I put "\explorer.exe" in the edit
> field.  I  sent a load of messages to myself without explorer starting
> even once. Does anyone know where I'm wrong?

I just tried it but I simply plugged explorer.exe in the edit field.
It worked.

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Re: How to suppress the S/N - was - Re[2]: privacy

[Dieter Hummel]

Hello Listmembers,

On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 at 00:12:40 [GMT +0500] Denis V. Petelin wrote:
^^^

You don't accept Y2K _this_ end of December?

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Re: Multiple problems with "the bat"

[Ali Martin]

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:01:06 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:

[]
> I don't use them in general.  I find that the space that it takes up on
> the display causes problems with me elsewhere as everything doesn't line up
> quite right.  Currently with TB! I have the folder view to the left go all the
> way down the length of the window.  The right has the message index which also
> goes all the way down the window. 

I thought I'd insert my $0.02 here since I, like Steve, am one of the
 ^
 Please note the comma. ROTFL.
 It's amazing how a single
 punctuation mark can change
 the meaning completely. :
few who doesn't use the message preview/auto-view window.

I have a setup identical to Steve's and do prefer not using the
preview window for a couple reasons he sited, namely that it reduces
having to scroll through the message list since more of it is visible.
I am also able to display more of each message body at a time since my
folder view window is longer than my TB window, taking up almost the
whole length of the screen. I may also use a larger font size for
comfort.

Two additional points though:

The first is that the folder view window has more navigational
shortcuts and toolbar buttons available such as Ctrl+up/down and
Shift+Ctrl+up/down. These shortcuts do not work when navigating the
main windows message list.

The other thing is that when reading messages, especially with the
space bar or the arrow keys for that matter, I have to be fighting
with unexpected focus changes from the preview window to the message
list.

Take for example:

I index my messages in descending order so that I may read them using
the spacebar alone. I just jump from message to message.

If I start reading a message in the preview window, paging down with
the space bar, I start doing this with the focus on the preview
window. If I wish to go back up by a page, I simply hit the page-up
key. No problem. I now spacebar my way into the next message and
suddenly the focus goes to the message list, very often without my
realizing this. I wish to go back a page, so I hit the page-up key and
Shucks!, suddenly I am previewing a message one page up the message
listing! To avoid this I have to tab the preview window back into
focus.  Why the focus changes when moving from one message to the
next? I don't see why this has to be so but clearly can see why it
shouldn't be.

When reading with the folder view window, there is no focus to change,
unless you have the message list for the folder view window open,
which I don't. :) Everything therefore works a lot more smoothly and
predictably (maybe consistently is a better word), I don't
inadvertently jump to other messages while trying to read one message.
Messages aren't registered as read when I don't want them to be.

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Re: Filters for outgoing messages?

[Roel]

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Hello Oliver,

OS>  Then I put "\explorer.exe" in the edit

just put 'explorer.exe' or 'explorer' in the field, that'll do it :-)

if you want to use windows-variables, you should use them like this:

%windowsdir%

although you'll find that most of these don't seem to have any
effect at all...

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Filters for outgoing messages?

[Oliver Sturm]

Hi there,

I  tried  to establish a filter for outgoing messages... it should run
an  external  program  before  sending the message. So I created a new
filter  for "Outgoing mail", entered my own mail address together with
"Sender"  as  a  filtering string and on the page Actions checked "Run
external  program". Then I put "\explorer.exe" in the edit
field.  I  sent a load of messages to myself without explorer starting
even once. Does anyone know where I'm wrong?

Thanks!

Oliver Sturm

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Re: Multiple problems with "the bat"

[Steve Lamb]

Thursday, December 23, 1999, 12:28:35 PM, Nick wrote:
> Since we've come to know you're very opinionated in your preferences (I'm
> saying that in a nice way :-))

Awww, just admit it, I'm a crusty ol' email curmudgeon.  :)

> I was wondering what exactly you have against a preview pane? For the way I
> read email (hunt and peck) it's works perfectly. Is it something you never
> use, or just find TB!'s implementation of lacking?

I don't use them in general.  I find that the space that it takes up on
the display causes problems with me elsewhere as everything doesn't line up
quite right.  Currently with TB! I have the folder view to the left go all the
way down the length of the window.  The right has the message index which also
goes all the way down the window.  If I have the preview pane enabled it
either shortens the folder view, forcing me to scroll much more than I already
have to (2 accounts, 300+ email a day in each means lots and lots of filters
and folders to keep it all legible).  If I have it only fit in the message
index area it isn't wide enough to read proper (ahem, aka fixed width <78
character) messages.  It also cuts down on the view of the message index and,
again, forces a lot of scrolling.

Also, it means that messages are automatically opened.  I don't like the
program doing something unless I explicitly ask it to.  TB! is quite bad that
when I delete up/delete down at the beginning/end of a folder it will auto
open the next message that comes into view instead of close.  This can be a
pain when you have a message that you want to keep unread so looking at the
index will alert you to something in that folder that needs attention, or you
have message in your folder that have large (2Mb+) attachments.  I don't want
to have to open that message (and take the 1-2 minute hit) just to delete it.

I feel that the interface is inconsistent when the reading is in a
"preview pane" format and editing is in a separate window.

Finally, I work on multiple desktops.  At home and work I have Powerbar
(great utility, BTW) providing me with 6 virtual desktops.  At any time I
might want to compose or read a particular message on another desktop in
conjunction with another task.  For example, desktop 3 is always where my
"floating" remote terminals reside.  When I am doing service requests at work
I will open my SR folder, move it to desktop 3, switch to desktop 3, and work
on the SR with the read window on one side and the SSH terminal on the other.
Since I am doing work like that an MDI interface in an email client
automatically disqualifies that client.  Pegasus, Eudora, Outlook, Netscape,
all are out of the running because of it.  The preview pane is something like
that MDI interface, it just doesn't work how I work.

> As I'm always open for useful suggestions I was thinking perhaps your method
> of reading and responding to email might be more efficient or easier than
> how I currently do mine.

Actually, how email is read is a matter of personal preference.  I feel
comfortable with a text client.  In fact, if you watch my headers there will
be times I post from mutt on my Linux box.  I normally do that from home
accessing my Linux box through a WYSE VT100 serial terminal running at
19200bps.  80x25, B&W display and I do feel that mutt is a very good client
that is only poor in some areas even with that small of a display.  Maybe that
is the best explanation on why I don't like the preview pane.  Wait, I already
said it, I'm a crusty ol' email curmudgeon.  ;)

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Re: Multiple problems with "the bat"

[Nick Danger]

In Reference to "Multiple problems with "the bat"" From Steve Lamb:

>> How do I turn of the feature that marks my messages as "read" if I leave the
>> cursor on the message list for more than one second? (I actually didn't read
>> the message, I was just scrolling for incoming messages.)

SL> Either turn off the preview pain(-in-the-ass) or Account Properties /
SL> Options / Time of reading to mark message as read


Hi Steve,

  Since we've come to know you're very opinionated in your preferences
  (I'm saying that in a nice way :-)) I was wondering what exactly you
  have against a preview pane?  For the way I read email (hunt and
  peck) it's works perfectly.  Is it something you never use, or just
  find TB!'s implementation of lacking?

  As I'm always open for useful suggestions I was thinking perhaps
  your method of reading and responding to email might be more
  efficient or easier than how I currently do mine.


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Re[2]: "old" attachments

[Andrew K. Lovetski]

Hello, The Bat Users!

>>> I have noticed that the attachments to these parked messages seem to
>>> disappear.

R>> that's funny ... i just noticed that my 'attach' directory is full of old 
R>> attachments without messages.  ;-)

Same situation here. A lot of old attachments without messages.
Though, I have no parked messages in the Trash folder, which is the
only folder with the setting "Delete after 7 days" enabled.

R>> - file attachments are stored as ...

TF> Seperate from message in special directory

The same here.

R>> - delete attached files when ...

TF> message is deleted from trash folder.

The setting is checked here, too.

My directories are set as "Default", default encoding is Base64, "Bind
attachments only while sending out mail" is not checked. Though, all
this should not matter...

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Re: Message list and folder tree font change

[Andrew K. Lovetski]

Hello, The Bat Users!

AM>  Anyone knows how to change the font for the folder tree and message
AM>  list via the registry. I've been looking for an entry and can't find
AM>  one.

I didn't find any, too. May be TB uses some Windows' setting from the
Control Panel? But most probably, the font is hard coded into TB :(

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Re: Windows crashes

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 23 Dec 99, at 16:53, Roel wrote
about "Re[2]: Windows crashes":

> AVK> Registry problem. Fix it, and voila.
> 
> if it was that simple...
>  (btw: you don't happen to have the key we'd have to fix?)

The idea was to fix the registry as a whole. To do that:
1. Reboot to DOS prompt
2. type in "regedit" (w/o quotes)
3. It will tell you it's commandline syntax.
4. Export your registry to a file
5. *recreate* (NOT import) your registry from that previously 
made file.
6. Reboot back.

That's all. Somehow all the explorer-crash problems get 
eliminated...

> here it only happens on high-processor-usage, _every_ time when
> i've got the intellimouse-drivers installed (version of drivers
> doesn't matter...) or when my resources drop below 40% (which is more
> common than you might think - i'm running under 60% for about 65% of
> my 'active' pc-time)...

That's another problem: low resources. But the author of the 
initial query had apparently the registry-related problem (IMO).

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Re: Hello from Linux!

[Deryk Lister]

Hi Thomas,
On Thursday 12/23/1999 at 2:56 AM, you wrote:

> Hi Deryk,

> on Thursday, December 23, 1999, 11:20:43 AM GMT+0800, Deryk Lister wrote:

DL>> How's this: I'm running Linux right now, and using The Bat :)

> Nice! :-)

> And it's even faster (by about one hour according to my computer
> clock). :-)


Hrmmm... weird!  I noticed the timezone here was set to PST, whereas
I'm living in GMT land.  But if so I'd expect it to be about 8 hours
out!
Could be a side effect of wine (ha), but it's hopefully fixed now.

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Re: Fonts Available with Editor ??

[Ali Martin]

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:43:01 +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

[]
>  (posted previously by Alexander V. Kisilev)

>  For if you _absolutely_ need variable- width font ..., you
>  can go and manually edit your registry, in particular, these
>  sections of it:

>  HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Editor\Font
>  HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Rich Text

>  If you manually edit there the name of the font to be used,
>  The Bat! will obey... But be advised, that if, for example,
>  you write there "Arial", you'll hardly manage to read
>  anything:-)


BTW, not all monospaced fonts that are installed will be registered in
windows as monospaced. One nice font comes to mind and I'm using it
now as we speak. It's OCR A Extended.

Although I have it installed, it doesn't appear in the font list for
TB!. The registry hack is what I used and the font works perfectly of
course.

Another thing, in my experience here with NT, the second key doesn't
have to be interfered with to make the change, i.e.,

  HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Rich Text

I would assume that the same applies to Win9x.

I've been trying to find what that second rich text key works but
can't find where it actually makes a change.

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Re: Fonts Available with Editor ??

[Ali Martin]

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:33:57 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:


MDP>>  HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Editor\Font
MDP>>  HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Rich Text

> Before I mess up my registry: I understand the first one is the font
> the editor uses; what's the second for ? I thought TB does not support
> Rich Text?

You don't have to worry that anything you do with registry keys for
the bat will render your system unbootable. It's always best to export
the key that you plan to fiddle with before doing so. Simply double
clicking on the export .reg file will bring things back to their
former state.

If you actually manage to open a registry editor then you're almost
there. :

If you manage to change the setting then you may change it back to
what it was before in two ways.

a) Actually going back and manually undoing what you did.

b) By saving the registry key.

Assuming that you are using regedit.exe:

Click on the font key. Go to registry and select 'export registry
file'. Name the file giving it a .reg extension.

You may now make whatever font changes you wish to make.

If you don't like the result of what you did. Double click on the
exported file which will then overwrite what you did and bring things
back to their former state.

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Re[4]: Fonts Available with Editor ??

[Oliver Sturm]

Hi Thomas Fernandez,

On Donnerstag, 23. Dezember 1999 at 3:34:29 you wrote:

TF> Right.  When  I started working at my first employer's office, and
TF> one  of  the  big  clients of that company insisted they buy a fax
TF> machine,  they  said  exactly  this:  "we  have  been  using telex
TF> machines  for  20 years without any problems, we really don't need
TF> fax".

TF> When Email became the hit in business, my then-boss said, "we have
TF> been using faxes for 20 years, we really don't need email".

Just one last answer by me about this subject: Your comparison doesn't
fit.  Go  invent  a  new  system.  Plan  it carefully and don't forget
variable  width  fonts.  Write a client for it and call it The Bloat!.
But don't tamper with an existing running system.

Sorry,  I  don't  want  to  sound angry... As you said, we finally all
agree  ;)  And,  as Marck stated in another posting, there are obvious
reasons  for  using  variable  width fonts. I won't reiterate all that
now, just wanted to make clear why the fax/telex example is no good.

Happy christmas!

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Re[2]: Windows crashes

[Roel]

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Hello Alexander,

AVK> Registry problem. Fix it, and voila.

if it was that simple...
 (btw: you don't happen to have the key we'd have to fix?)
 
here it only happens on high-processor-usage, _every_ time when
i've got the intellimouse-drivers installed (version of drivers
doesn't matter...) or when my resources drop below 40% (which is more
common than you might think - i'm running under 60% for about 65% of
my 'active' pc-time)...

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Re: How to suppress the S/N - was - Re[2]: privacy

[Denis V. Petelin]

Dear Andrew! (e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
 
In your message dated 23.12.99 and concerning "How to suppress the S/N - was - Re[2]: 
privacy" you wrote:

AKL> Another program is X-Ray (http://xraysoft.cjb.net/)
Yes - this one is good and very small.


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Re: Fonts Available with Editor ??

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Marck,

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:43:01 + GMT (23.12.1999, 17:43 +0800 GMT),
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

MDP>  (posted previously by Alexander V. Kisilev)

MDP>  For if you _absolutely_ need variable- width font ..., you
MDP>  can go and manually edit your registry, in particular, these
MDP>  sections of it:

MDP>  HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Editor\Font
MDP>  HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Rich Text

Before I mess up my registry: I understand the first one is the font
the editor uses; what's the second for ? I thought TB does not support
Rich Text?

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Re[2]: How to suppress the S/N - was - Re[2]: privacy

[tracer]

Hello tracer,
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:30:05 +0700 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, December 23, 1999, 8:30:05 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
tracer wrote:

tracer> Hello Andrew K. Lovetski,
tracer> On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:57:15 +0300 GMT your local time,
tracer> which was Thursday, December 23, 1999, 2:57:15 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
tracer> Andrew K. Lovetski wrote:

Andrew>> Hello, The Bat Users!

AM>>> So, after all this. Is there a way to suppress the serial number?
tracer> write the emails and hexedit them before sending (g)
check my number in the previous message!

Andrew>> Sure. You have to use some program for that (a kind of "transparent"
Andrew>> SMTP server - you tell The Bat to use it as your SMTP server and to
Andrew>> that program - to use your real SMTP server). I've heard about VPOP.
Andrew>> Another program is X-Ray (http://xraysoft.cjb.net/)


tracer> Best regards,
 
tracer> tracer

tracer> Using theBAT 1.38e 
tracer> mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Best regards,
 
tracer

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Re: Windows crashes

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 23 Dec 99, at 14:18, Gerd Marstedt wrote
about "Windows crashes":


Registry problem. Fix it, and voila.

> Since I updated The Bat (from 1.34 to 1.38,
> international pack, language: German,
> registered)
> it happens several times each day that when
> starting The Bat, there's a crash. Then there's
> always a message-box with the title
> of the Windows Explorer reporting a violation,
> and a request to close Windows Explorer.
> Most of the times after closing Explorer,
> then The Bat runs ok. But sometimes it's
> even impossible to close the windows with
> the violation message. Windows has crashed,
> doesn't answer to any input and I have to reboot.
> What's going wrong?

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Re: How to suppress the S/N - was - Re[2]: privacy

[tracer]

Hello Andrew K. Lovetski,
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:57:15 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, December 23, 1999, 2:57:15 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Andrew K. Lovetski wrote:

Andrew> Hello, The Bat Users!

AM>> So, after all this. Is there a way to suppress the serial number?
write the emails and hexedit them before sending (g)

Andrew> Sure. You have to use some program for that (a kind of "transparent"
Andrew> SMTP server - you tell The Bat to use it as your SMTP server and to
Andrew> that program - to use your real SMTP server). I've heard about VPOP.
Andrew> Another program is X-Ray (http://xraysoft.cjb.net/)


Best regards,
 
tracer

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Incorrect number of selected messages on the message list hint - was - Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Andrew K. Lovetski]

Hello, The Bat Users!

AM>   Delete two or more messages from the message list and then pass
AM>   the mouse over the message list. The number of messages said to
AM>   be selected is incorrect. I usually have only one message
AM>   selected and yet it says that I have up to 5 selected at one
AM>   point.

AM>   >
  
AM>   Just to add to this. I am now realising that the popup message is
AM>   actually counting the deleted messages as selected messages. As a
AM>   result the popup message counts the message selected and adds this
AM>   to the number of messages deleted and then declares the total as the
AM>   number of messages selected in the popup message.

AM>   Is this a bug? I'd say yes.
  
Ok, but you forgot to mention, that this bug happens only when
deleting the _last_ message in the list. Try deleting a message
somewhere in the middle of the list - all will be Ok.

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Re: Fonts Available with Editor ??

[Ali Martin]

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:43:01 +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

[]
> If you manually edit there the name of the font to be used, The Bat!
> will obey... But be advised, that if, for example, you write there
> "Arial", you'll hardly manage to read anything:-)

TB! offers only monospaced fonts to use because the editor literally
will not work with variable width fonts.

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Re: Fonts Available with Editor ??

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Thomas,

On  23 December 1999  at  10:36:39 GMT +0800 (which was 02:36 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points:

OS>> I already stated I would. But the problem I see is not me staying
OS>> with fixed-width fonts, but many others not doing so.

TF> I agree with you, and I agree it's annoying to receive HTML or ENR
TF> messages. But do you think it's going to stop if The Bat! - most
TF> influential email client in the world? - disallows variable-width
TF> fonts?

Excuse  me,  but  I  detect  a little confusion here. HTML and ENR can
encapsulate  the  font  requests.  Variable width font has validity in
these places and, in the case of HTML, is actually displayed by TB. In
the case of plain text mail, however, there is no such font definition
standard  available  and  variable  width fonts are purely a matter of
personal  local  taste rather than (as you postulated in a side thread
on this issue) a matter of "keeping up with the times" as in the Telex
v. Fax argument.

While  I  do  not  dispute  that some may want a variable font to ruin
(sorry  ..  enhance?) their message display with, I certainly don't. I
do  accept  Alex's  point  (that Pegasus has its' F12 toggle to switch
between  a  fixed and variable font) as a good one in this argument. I
remember  that  working  quite  well for me, but usually leaving it on
fixed width anyway. :-)

Also  this  thread  has  missed  out on mentioning that "olde registry
hacke" to allow any font you so desire:

 (posted previously by Alexander V. Kisilev)

 For if you _absolutely_ need variable- width font ..., you
 can go and manually edit your registry, in particular, these
 sections of it:

 HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Editor\Font
 HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Rich Text

 If you manually edit there the name of the font to be used,
 The Bat! will obey... But be advised, that if, for example,
 you write there "Arial", you'll hardly manage to read
 anything:-)

Thus ends my dump for the day.
 
Cheers,
Marck
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How to suppress the S/N - was - Re[2]: privacy

[Andrew K. Lovetski]

Hello, The Bat Users!

AM> So, after all this. Is there a way to suppress the serial number?

Sure. You have to use some program for that (a kind of "transparent"
SMTP server - you tell The Bat to use it as your SMTP server and to
that program - to use your real SMTP server). I've heard about VPOP.
Another program is X-Ray (http://xraysoft.cjb.net/)

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