Re[2]: Cannot access RIT Labs Web site
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Batpersons, On or about, Tuesday, February 13, 2001, 7:53:43 AM, we have reason to believe that Thomas wrote: T I would have thought so, but I hit Relaod and crtl-Reload in both IE T and NS. How else can you force the browser to not load a cached copy? Maybe the cache is at your ISP? - -- Best regards, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.49b on Windows 98 Build -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOopGV0qL65Xj7aHMEQL2BQCfTOwF0o5eoHfGzn3pxva/2BvdLjUAoNid Gexx4hz9gfr4AYQEYkNSk41Z =61Uu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Getting Norton to see TB!
Thanks Mike George. Seems I have this all set now. Yuki Tuesday, February 13, 2001, 10:52:54 PM, Mike wrote: MM Its pretty simple. First, make sure you have Norton AV e-mail scanning MM set for "Enable Manual Configuration" MM (Options-Internet-EmailProtection-Advanced). This enables a local MM POP proxy service on your machine. MM Then, in your account settings, (under transport) set the Receive Mail MM mail server to "Pop3.norton.antivirus" (There should be a mapping in MM your local hosts file for this, it was created by enabling manual MM configuration above). MM Lastly, change your Receive Mail User Name (on the transport tab) from MM "username" to "username/your real POP3 server FQDN or IP". MM Best Regards, -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Deleting messages from server
Hi TBUDL, I have TB1.49 the official release, and a couple of times [no pattern yet] the email was not deleted from the server after retrieval. Since TB is set for every 5mn, it got hundreds and hundreds of messages because, it kept on retrieve the same messages. I have to delete manually the mail on the server, then it's no problem for the next few days. Server is Mercury/32 v3.21c [the current one]. I am not sure if this is due to TB or to the mail server? How to track it? [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ REAL PROBLEMS / REAL SOLUTION ISSN: 1492-7829 A free weekly newsletter on Windows and networking email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.911networks.com Copyright 1999-2000 by 911networks.com - All Rights Reserved +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
PGP 7.0.3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I wonder if the last version of TheBat! supports PGP 7.0.3 ? I'm running 6.5.8 for now, I installed 7.0.3 and my TheBat! (1.47) doesn't support it.. BTW, I disliked series since 1.47 because of new "pop before smtp" auth system. Is there a way to make TB1.47 support PGP7.0.3 ? - -- Digitally yours, Deniz Baygan[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: You ain't seen nothing yet. iQA/AwUBOoqLYfPAAmoiAsLPEQIZ7ACg8WUefU2VhQ154xvNq8+9t/2v7Q8An3N3 a6AefN2XSRXVxDDfzyjtwPhW =c8Fp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
POP before SMTP (was: PGP 7.0.3)
Hallo Deniz, On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:42:55 +0200 GMT (14/02/2001, 23:42 +0800 GMT), Deniz Baygan wrote: I'll leave the PGP question to the PGP experts. DB BTW, I disliked series since 1.47 because of new "pop before smtp" auth system. I don't understand this sentence. The option was introduced because some SMTP servers require it. But you don't need to enable it if you don't need it. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Never do card tricks for the group you play poker with. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PGP 7.0.3
Hi Deniz, On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, at 17:42:55 +0200 you wrote: I wonder if the last version of TheBat! supports PGP 7.0.3 ? No, support for PGP is achieved via a .dll file. You will need an updated .dll to support PGP 7.0.3 but this is not available yet. I'm running 6.5.8 for now, I installed 7.0.3 and my TheBat! (1.47) doesn't support it.. And this won't change until the source code for PGP 7.0.3 is released, so the developers know what has changed since 6.5. BTW, I disliked series since 1.47 because of new "pop before smtp" auth system. What's wrong with 'POP before SMTP' in your opinion? If your ISP doesn't require it, just deactivate it. Is there a way to make TB1.47 support PGP7.0.3 ? See above. -- Regards, Lars The Bat! 1.49e on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 |Lars Geiger | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]| | PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=GetPublicKey | -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PGP 7.0.3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Deniz, On 14 February 2001 at 17:42:55 +0200 (which was 15:42 where I live) Deniz Baygan wrote and made these points: DB I wonder if the last version of TheBat! supports PGP 7.0.3 ? Not yet. I have downloaded but not yet installed 7.0.3 but will stick with 6.5.8 until the new plug-in for TB is ready. DB BTW, I disliked series since 1.47 because of new "pop before smtp" DB auth system. Perhaps you don't understand what this is. "POP before SMTP" is *in addition* to standard POP and standard SMTP. It is not mandatory but is an available option for users of servers which *insist* upon it. Mine doesn't. I don't use it and TB 1.49 works just fine - as it always did. DB Is there a way to make TB1.47 support PGP7.0.3 ? Only using PGP-Tray. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOoqxoznkJKuSnc2gEQJvPwCgwU/PoXnJKFAZHAua6iglsb5MOGcAoIEq HkoZP7QJOM72uhOAJcdV7Nvq =EukQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: POP before SMTP (was: PGP 7.0.3)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Thomas, Wednesday, February 14, 2001, 6:17:55 PM, you wrote: I don't understand this sentence. The option was introduced because some SMTP servers require it. But you don't need to enable it if you don't need it. I need it. But new scheme is bad. up to 1.47, only one window used to open, log in pop3, then disconnect, then connect smtp and send mail.. New scheme (since 1.48) opens 2 windows first logs pop3 and other logs smtp. 1 window is better than 2 ;-) - -- Digitally yours, Deniz Baygan[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: You ain't seen nothing yet. iQA/AwUBOoqSxfPAAmoiAsLPEQJ4VwCeOygB/6kD0o8SZSlfrTJUoqDARbIAoNtV Esm/df4hQiicUgCY94rii1XV =U11W -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cannot access RIT Labs Web site
On Tuesday, February 13, 2001, 2:07:47 AM, Thomas wrote: ML However, some ISP employ transparent caching, and there's ML nothing we can do about it (shorting of switching ISP). So you are saying Chungwa Telecom might have cached the Ritlabs pages in English and in German? It might, though I know nothing specific about Chunghwa Telecom's practice. Considering the facts that 1. the main bottleneck for Taiwan's Internet traffic lies in its international line; 2. the incoming traffic usually dominate the bandwidth; and 3. Few users are willing to set up caching in their own browsers; I wouldn't be surprised if there's a huge transparent cache server right behind the main router(s) sitting at the border. and even in Russian (which I personally accessed for the first time today, just to test it)? Hmm. But seems to be the most likely explanation. I don't think they distinguish the source when they do caching. It's easier they just cache everything, and let data expires on a FIFO basis. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: POP before SMTP (was: PGP 7.0.3)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Deniz! On Wednesday, February 14, 2001 at 5:14:26 PM you wrote: I need it. If you need it, it can't be bad. It than actually is necessary (forgive me this circular play on words). But new scheme is bad. up to 1.47, only one window used to open, log in pop3, then disconnect, then connect smtp and send mail.. New scheme (since 1.48) opens 2 windows first logs pop3 and other logs smtp. 1 window is better than 2 ;-) Perfectly right, but why do you use *both* SMTP after POP and SMTP authentication? After the new scheme was introduced and GMX began to use it I even unchecked "Combined delivery". So now I only get one window - and this, when I need it. Or have I missed something - again?! - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.49 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Todo, pero con manera (Everything, but with civility.). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: To further and enhance security for everybody! iQA/AwUBOoqqIPTo1oA8g8dLEQKrXwCgsEQ+WBzToQO1auLkn7Hb9IqZO7cAn1VZ 5DsWCi96Ufk9L7g5p3hUeijc =EFtl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: POP before SMTP (was: PGP 7.0.3)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Dierk, Wednesday, February 14, 2001, 6:54:07 PM, you wrote: Perfectly right, but why do you use *both* SMTP after POP and SMTP authentication? I'm not using both of them. I'm using "Pop before smtp" system. After the new scheme was introduced and GMX began to use it I even unchecked "Combined delivery". So now I only get one window - and this, when I need it. I always leave combined delivery unchecked. It was working as I needed up to TB1.47 on TB1.48 disclaimer, there is a "pop before smtp reworked" advertisement. I just don't get the point of this *reworking* ;-) - -- Digitally yours, Deniz Baygan[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: You ain't seen nothing yet. iQA/AwUBOoqdlfPAAmoiAsLPEQJzxACfeGkww+NnvkTngrgm/JOfPR+jlQIAoJ27 j4Wx8u7qzh2457ZXaDnTLxST =vZkQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Instant Address Pop-Up?
Hi Marck, On Tuesday, February 13, 2001 21:59:17 [ + GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'Instant Address Pop-Up?': Marck If any address belongs to a group that is "hidden", then it doesn't Marck appear at root. JR Yes I understand but that's the issue -- I don't think you can JR have them in both places. Of course it wouldn't be the first time JR I'd be wrong :-( Marck sigh nearly there, Jan :-). You *can* have them in both places but Marck the root of the address book has to be largely ignored from the POV of Marck any sensible content. I have a feeling we agree as a practical matter although it may not have satisfied Nick's question; that is to say, if all the contents in the group are un-hidden, you might as well be looking in the main AB. It seems to me that it sort of obviates the group idea. There are many people who I have in groups who are *not* my favorites. So my setup allows me to find a favorite quite easily, in the case of a non-favorite, I know what group they're in which makes finding them easier. Then, of course, there's always F7. When can I stop being such a newbie? :-\ -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Using TB! v1.49 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Instant Address Pop-Up?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jan, On 14 February 2001 at 14:38:53 -0500 (which was 19:38 where I live) Jan Rifkinson wrote and made these points: JR When can I stop being such a newbie? :-\ "Soon" ;-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOorovjnkJKuSnc2gEQKKOwCgugwTZd+4RMSdp4pmJKDiK05rHKMAnjMR LkXLnGRJ8H+SXs4hHDT05/Bh =G55t -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Bugs using localhost as server
Bat! of course is probably not designed to use localhost (127.0.0.1) as an isp. However some of us do (I personally use Hamster to collect mail from two isp accounts 2 news group accounts, and then upload from Bat Gravity news reader) and I have noticed the following:- If Hamster is not running, there is no warning that a connection could not be made by Bat! when attempting to upload or download mail. If Hamster is running, and not connected to the 'net, Bat!, when uploading the first time, connects to Hamster, will not upload, and also brings up the default dial out connection. When the connection is cancelled, Bat! then uploads to Hamster. Not earth shattering stuff, but one day maybe the developers could have a look at this. -- Regards, John Phillips Sydney, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hamster 1.3.22.1 Bat! 1.49 Windows 98 4.10 Build ASony Vaio Notebook PCG-505TS Pentium 300 64meg ram May you die in bed at 95, shot by a jealous spouse. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Another reason to avoid Outlook
Hello Wednesday, February 14, 2001, 1:51:01 AM, someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of which, I just this second got finished updating Norton on all our PC's here at the office. Not aware of what sort of network you have, but the latest Norton AV for Networks only needs updating on the server, and feeds the update automatically to the work stations. Has a small time out error when dialling out, but if you can overcome this it will even update itself automatically. We use this on NT network. Saves a lot of time! -- Regards John Phillips Sydney, Australia Hamster 1.3.22.1 Bat! 1.49 Windows 98 4.10 Build ASony Vaio Notebook PCG-505TS Pentium 300 64meg ram Discoveries are made by not following instructions. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: PGP 7.0.3
All you have to do is to click on the PGP taskbar icon and say encrypt/sign current window. Works like a charm. -- Best regards, Ryanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, February 14, 2001, 8:22:20 AM, you wrote: LG Hi Deniz, LG On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, at 17:42:55 +0200 you wrote: I wonder if the last version of TheBat! supports PGP 7.0.3 ? LG No, support for PGP is achieved via a .dll file. You will need an LG updated .dll to support PGP 7.0.3 but this is not available yet. I'm running 6.5.8 for now, I installed 7.0.3 and my TheBat! (1.47) doesn't support it.. LG And this won't change until the source code for PGP 7.0.3 is LG released, so the developers know what has changed since 6.5. BTW, I disliked series since 1.47 because of new "pop before smtp" auth system. LG What's wrong with 'POP before SMTP' in your opinion? If your ISP LG doesn't require it, just deactivate it. Is there a way to make TB1.47 support PGP7.0.3 ? LG See above. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange deleting
Hello Michal, Tuesday, February 13, 2001, 9:35:52 AM, you wrote: MK Hello MK I don't know what I doing wrong... MK I set the message length limit (20kB). When I receive such mails, MK the info arrives: MK "A message with the size exceeding 20 K bytes limit has arrived to MK your address - the message has been automatically removed from the MK server." MK But what about messages I want to leave on the server? Ie large MK messages I want to receive in job place, but small at home only??? MK Best regards Take a look at TBUDLs archive. There is a solution for this with two filters. It works great for me... P.S. If you can't find it, contact me and I'll send you... -- Best regards, ANT-ilicmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange deleting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Michal, On 13 February 2001 at 11:17:50 +0100 (which was 10:17 where I live) Michal Kozusznik wrote and made these points: 1.) Leave messages on server for a couple of days, so that it is sure that any messages that should be downloaded, will have been. MK It's not too good. When I do that, next day (or even few hours MK later) I'll receive all mails again. Even smaller then defined MK limit. That's a shame. It means that the POP3 server you are downloading from is using a non-standard methodology for listing IDs of un-deleted messages ... or are you using IMAP? Either way, if this does not work, it is not TB's fault. TB does this correctly. 2.) Use the message dispatcher and tell TB manually which message to download, and which message to delete etc. MK It's takes to much time. Perhaps, but if your ISP's server doesn't correctly manage the "leave messages on server" option, you don't have much choice. MK So, I suggest to add sub-option for "Receive header only..." MK feature: It's could be a check-mark: "Delete from the server". It MK alows me (us) to work with mails at home and job, without stress MK (I've lost an important mail last time because I was sure the MK larger mails will still waiting for next downloading) TB already has that option. It's the "leave messages on server" setting which works well for *exactly* this purpose. It is your ISP you need to talk to next because they are the ones lacking support for the option. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOosxxznkJKuSnc2gEQKQ6gCfXnrDZFR3UZUUsjPAA9rq9ES1oHMAn2UJ 1agqES9xlpKm7aw1y0Bo5Fug =1RdW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: PGP 7.0.3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello Ryan, Wednesday, February 14, 2001, 4:52:19 PM, you wrote: RP All you have to do is to click on the PGP taskbar icon and say RP encrypt/sign current window. Works like a charm. I just assigned new compatible hot-keys. - -- Best regards, George mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** *Thawte authorized WOT Notary * ICQ: 122492 * ** How come wrong numbers are never busy? Finger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0.1 Comment: Used for Privacy and Authentication iQEVAwUBOotTtTYFY6kvWSqxAQHiWggAk4Px4Ywic+8S4yoVHjol5bj1teSOCKoX 3dc1hOBTVPiYiew7neMHyISkdS8+Ep5X3vjns7bw/eR/4AlKXkNYDaNZDzkEt41T X+bakzCT04nYpEU3dDuNu8DgkvIayiYJd+iksJXmExkQovgmk5GYidcKAVrjjsb6 ex4v2w4spEfZllF+yqEXJwKiJmOtdJIW6ttG5uiFhRLWtBqIkW7S9i+mm+fkoeFK 2yys8n1ty63kOKnYhdpTV3TMk6vcx2B4DxpjrV1Al0hNYqEdQDhBVY4ggacdcSrE 0CTOfLMWzSIaKj04iDKi4KZYtRiO4354sbmj5Wq6tvKOErZQTAHejA== =EiJE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
