Re: no printing possible when to-field is empty

[Anton Sommer]

Hello Mark,

 You could always put _your_ email address in the To: field
 when you create a new message...

I only write an 'x' in the field, that's enough to :-)

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Re: Easy macro question

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Anton!

On Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 7:33:28 PM you wrote:

 I want to have one template (for all new emails) which is the same for
 all address books. This template is a text file which I include with
 the %include macro. In this template I try to get as much
 informations about the AB and the person as possible to personalize
 the output mail.

I'm still not quite clear what you mean, but I have the idea that you
would be better off using - as Marck always fervently writes - AB
templates.

I use templates on every level depending on probabilities and
relationship. If it is someone I write to on a regular basis *and* who
deserves some individual fitting (s)he gets an AB template. The less I
write to someone the greater the probabilities the address should not
be submitted to the AB, but it could be it deserves a folder of its
own (like newsletters or mailinglists with little traffic) and may get
its own folder template.

Account templates are left purely for those addressees (for Anton:
Adressaten) that write on an irregular basis (maybe just once in a
lifetime).

To make a lot of AB templates can be a bit of a drag, I know. Have you
considered QT's (I use them for instance for different signatures)?

Noch was: Kuck mal nach dem Makro %LANGUAGE, sehr hilfreich bei
mehrsprachigem E-Mail Verkehr.


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Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Nick!

On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 4:20:35 AM you wrote:

 I wouldn't call it a bug

I would, simply because I think every programme should, when you exit
it normally, delete its temp files.

 For me it was worse with Beta 3 and 4... in fact just before writing this
 reply I had over 700 *.tmp files. I have since switched back to Beta 1
 where I may have only 6 or 7 of those files per session. I don't know why
 there is such a difference.

I can confirm this. I just began checking the Temp directory regularly
when this question came. Before it needed checking every few weeks and
there were only tmps from wrong shut-downs (usually not one from TB!,
mostly Corel and Word). Now TB! fills up the Temp dir.

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Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Ron!

On Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 7:19:57 PM you wrote:

 I just realized a couple of days ago that one of these .tmp files are left
 behind in my Windows\Temp directory (Win 98SE) everytime I open a message
 in TB! So, as a temporary fix I put a little dittie in my autoexec.bat to
 clean out all .tmp files from that directory upon startup. I realize that
 we *shouldn't* have to do that, but hopefully RitLabs will straighten this
 out soon...

Reminds me, in the olden days, when everybody new that Windows was
*not* an OS (except for NT, but that was later) one of the most oft
published tips to improve the system was to put a line into the
Autoexec.bat. This line cleared the Temp directory of files at shut
down.

I always thought with Win9x technology Windows or the programmes
themselves take care of that. with the exception of a crash or
"uncontrolled" shut-down. That's one thing the "shut-down" in the
Start menu is there for.

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Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?

[Thomas]

Hi Dierk,

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:33:24 +0200GMT (12/04/2001, 15:33 +0800GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

 I wouldn't call it a bug

DH I would, simply because I think every programme should, when you exit
DH it normally, delete its temp files.

TB will delete the files in the tmp folder if everything is fine. (I
am talking about release versions, not the current betas, about which
I know nothing). If there *might* be a problem, TB will leave the
files in the tmp directory, so you can take a look at them if you
wish.

It's by design.

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Re[2]: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?

[André Engelhardt]

Hello Dierk,

 On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 09:33:24GMT +0200 (which was 09:33 AM where I live) 
you wrote:

 I wouldn't call it a bug

DH I would, simply because I think every programme should, when you exit
DH it normally, delete its temp files.

I  agree,  this  is  definitely a bug since no other program leaves so
many  .tmp  files  back  in  the TEMP dir in Windows and I don't see a
reason  why  TB! shouldn't delete them ... after all they are supposed
to be temporary...

But  TB!  is  still the best e-mail client I've ever used! :-) (I just
hope there's gonna be a mac version of it soon!!!)

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Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:20:39 -0700, Ming-Li graced us with these comments:

 Are you certain of that? I have *hundreds*.

ML I do see them sometimes, but very rarely, and I check (and clean up)
ML my temp dir quite often. What I usually see there are stuff from
ML Word and other M$ leftovers.

I just checked mine and found 1503 TB! related objects!! It amounted to
just 48KB however. I've never emptied my temp directories since using NT
and now 2k. Never had a problem. In fact the total size of the temp folder
is 18MB.

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Re: no printing possible when to-field is empty

[Gerd Ewald]

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Hello Anton Sommer !

 
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:35:17 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was 11.04.2001, 17:35 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:

[...]
 Sorry, I started learning english last week, don't expect a good
 grammar from me :)

ROTFLMAO!!! HAHAHA! If this is your English after a week learning, I
guess you are going to teach English at Harvard in a month, he???

;-) SCNR

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Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Thomas!

On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 9:50:56 AM you wrote:

 TB will delete the files in the tmp folder if everything is fine. (I
 am talking about release versions, not the current betas, about which
 I know nothing). If there *might* be a problem, TB will leave the
 files in the tmp directory, so you can take a look at them if you
 wish.

 It's by design.

Quite right and good.

Since all my TB! mailinglist posts come into one folder and I tend to
not look at the address to verify which list a message comes from, I
haven't realized that we were talking beta stuff on TBUDL.

As I posted in another mail, the problem with these temp files seems
to have originated with one of the 1.52 betas - at least for me, can't
speak for Anton.

The best way to handle temp files is (and that's what actually is the
design within Win9x) that every programme, which is exited as
intended, should clear up its mess.

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Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Thomas!

On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 9:55:09 AM you wrote:

 It is not always a good idea to clear the tmp directories at shut-down
 or start-up by optting the command into the autoexec.bat. Some
 programs (when installing new software) leave files in the tmp or temp
 that are needed during subsequent start-up.

Didn't want to imply that; I was just reminiscing of "the good old
times". ;-)

DH I always thought with Win9x technology Windows or the programmes
DH themselves take care of that. with the exception of a crash or
DH "uncontrolled" shut-down. That's one thing the "shut-down" in the
DH Start menu is there for.

 No, as you can see above.

OK, I shortened the exact procedure. At shut down Win9x exits running
programmes, which prompt you to save open files or whatever they are
designed to do. When these programmes exit, *they* usually clear up
their specific temp files (and what else there is left). Some even
have a special option for it (IE and other browsers for Temp Internet
files).


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Re: From WIN 95 to Win2K

[Jonathan Wayne]

I'm pretty sure that there is no difference in the registry format of the
Windows 9x, 2000, NT, etc family. What IS different is that regedit in Windows
2000 has a unicode default export format.  Doing it manually, go to regedit and
export a branch.  If the default "Registration files" type is not changed, it
will export in unicode and the first line of the resulting .reg file will read
"Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00". If you select the "REGEDIT4" file type,
the resulting file will be the old non-unicode style and the first line will
read REGEDIT4; this is the format that you need for backwards compatibility (and
if you want to edit/view/etc the file in non-unicode aware programs.)  Either
format will import back into W2K.

Doing it from the command line, you want to use the "/a" switch when exporting a
branch to a file, not "/e", if you need to save the W2K settings for use on
another platform. (Not sure if this switch is documented.)

jon


On Wednesday April 11, 2001 09:02 AM Dierk Haasis wrote:

Hello Anton!

On Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 1:08:17 PM you wrote:

 That was the way I used to bring my TB from win98 to w2k and it worked.
 A friend took the other way from w2k to winME and it doesn't worked.
 I have no experience to do this from win95.

AFAIR it was discussed more than once on this list as working. The
problem is with the new registry format in Win2k, which *can* import
old registry settings/branches. But the other way round it does not
work (from 2k to 9x).

Concerning Win94, Win98 and WinME, they are more or less the same
(well, at the "OS" level, not on their interface) so, what works for
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Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?

[Jonathan Wayne]

Windows has NEVER cleaned up after itself properly.  This is to be expected from
a company that continues to put more internal resources into eye-candy (witness
the great emphasis on skinz for Whistler) rather than cleaning up bugs that have
been around since Windows 95.

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Hello Thomas!

On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 9:55:09 AM you wrote:

 It is not always a good idea to clear the tmp directories at shut-down
 or start-up by optting the command into the autoexec.bat. Some
 programs (when installing new software) leave files in the tmp or temp
 that are needed during subsequent start-up.

Didn't want to imply that; I was just reminiscing of "the good old
times". ;-)

DH I always thought with Win9x technology Windows or the programmes
DH themselves take care of that. with the exception of a crash or
DH "uncontrolled" shut-down. That's one thing the "shut-down" in the
DH Start menu is there for.

 No, as you can see above.

OK, I shortened the exact procedure. At shut down Win9x exits running
programmes, which prompt you to save open files or whatever they are
designed to do. When these programmes exit, *they* usually clear up
their specific temp files (and what else there is left). Some even
have a special option for it (IE and other browsers for Temp Internet
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Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?

[Thomas]

Hallo Dierk,

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:16:43 +0200 GMT (12/04/2001, 19:16 +0800 GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

 It's by design.

DH Quite right and good.

[...]
DH The best way to handle temp files is (and that's what actually is the
DH design within Win9x) that every programme, which is exited as
DH intended, should clear up its mess.

Are you contradicting yourself? If there is a problem and you have to
restart TB, I think it is a good idea that you are still able to
scrutinize the temp files later to find the problem.

But that's a matter of taste, I guess. This thread is starting to go in
circles, or is it?

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Administrator and more

[Michal Kozusznik]

Hello

  I  have defined one account as administrator and others as users. Is
  it  correct,  that  administrator  account  is  available  only with
  windows  login  where the account was defined? I mean, When I log in
  into WIndows as another user, I can't use Administrator account.

  Second  problem  is  with  second  user account I've defined. When I
  trying  to  log-in  TB!  doesn't start, but no error req appears and
  log-in requester doesn't disappear.

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Re[2]: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?

[David Elliott]

 Cutting of replys! ?

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Re: no printing possible when to-field is empty

[Anton Sommer]

Hi Gerd,

 ROTFLMAO!!! HAHAHA! If this is your English after a week learning, I
 guess you are going to teach English at Harvard in a month, he???
 ;-) SCNR

Gerd, I'm really happy to see you here.
And I think you are joking to me. Harvard, and teaching english :-))

You can't believe how difficult it is, to find the right words in
english. I use an old Langenscheidt German-English from a DOS-Disk and
a few small stories from Shakespeare to puzzle my sentences in a
readable form.

And I'm really surprised about this motivating feedback.
Some more of this and I begin to write my biography in english:-)

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Re: Connection to host broken ....

[Karin Spaink]

On 10-04-2001 at 05:17, Jody Watts kindly wrote:

 I keep getting a message:
 !4/9/2001, 22:08:27: FETCH - Connection to host broken (last commands sent were: 
"RETR 2", "RETR 3")
 This started about a week ago. When it happens, most of the mail from
 the server is downloaded, but NONE is deleted and the next time it
 checks mail, it will download the same messages, fails again and so the
 cycle continues.

Have you tried to delete that one particular mail using the
despatcher?

In your main TB window, go to Account and select "Dispatch
mail on server". TB will start reading all your mail on the
server and will show you a list of them; from that window,
you can proceed to delete (or download) mail. Delete the one
mail that's creating havoc, press "Execute", close the
despatcher and try to fetch mail in the standard way.


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Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?

[Jonathan Wayne]

Dierk -

Unless you tell me that this reply looked OK, I'm going to abandon replying to
any more messages with this email client - Lotus Notes - which I hate immensely
but have to use at work!  Completely inflexible.  Otherwise will probably
resubscribe at home where I use TB and can create properly formatted replies.

jon


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Did I miss anything? Or am I in a coma?



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Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?

[Karin Spaink]

On 12-04-2001 at 16:54, Jonathan Wayne kindly wrote:

 Unless you tell me that this reply looked OK, I'm going to
 abandon replying to any more messages with this email
 client - Lotus Notes - which I hate immensely but have to
 use at work! Completely inflexible.

I'd dump Lotus Notes immediately. What it apparently does,
is re-create both the headers and the body of the message
that you are replying to, and present them in a kind of
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Re[4]: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp -directory?

[David Elliott]

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Hello Jonathan

On 12 April 2001 at 10:47:29 -0400 (which was 15:47 where I live) Jonathan
Wayne wrote

 Yes, as per 1H of the TBUDL Terms and Conditions.  (Plus I have to use Lotus
 Notes at work and I'm still trying to figure out the best way to reply to the
 list (this one shows what happens when I "Reply With History"!)

Thank you for the explanation.

I did get this at the bottom of you reply

[ attachment or non text part has been remove by MDaemon ]

I now remember why I thorough out Lotus Notes.

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Re[2]: no printing possible when to-field is empty

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Salutation Anton

On 12 April 2001 at 16:43:45 +0200 (which was 15:43 where I live) Anton
Sommer umgeordnete Elektronen zum Erhalten

 ROTFLMAO!!! HAHAHA! If this is your English after a week learning, I
 guess you are going to teach English at Harvard in a month, he??? ;-)
 SCNR

 Gerd, I'm really happy to see you here.
 And I think you are joking to me. Harvard, and teaching english :-))

I don't think so. I have been trying to speak and write English for almost
40 yeas as my first language and I still have difficulty.

Dyslexia rules KO

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Re: newbie thinking about moving from Eudora 4.3.2.

[Ming-Li]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 at 13:11:40 -0400 Gen Kanai wrote:

 I've just started evaluating The Bat 1.51 after 5 years with
 Eudora and I'm both impressed and bewildered at the same time.

Welcome aboard.

 I'm looking for a manual or for more help on documentation and while
 I have read the FAQ, it doesn't seem to cover a lot of basic features.

Sorry for asking the obvious: have you tried the help file? TheBat's
English help file is seriously outdated and has been heavily
criticized, but it does cover most of the basic stuff. It's not
comprehensive enough, and probably won't be until v2 is out, but
it's still a good start. (If you read German, people say the German
help file is very good.)

Then, as Nick said, just shoot your question here. This list is a
very active mutual support community, and rarely a question would go
unanswered (unless truly no one knows the answer).

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Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?

[Susanne]

 

Hi Dierk,

Thursday, April 12, 2001, 4:16:43 AM, you wrote:

 As I posted in another mail, the problem with these temp files seems
 to have originated with one of the 1.52 betas - at least for me, can't
 speak for Anton.

I found thousands of TB files in my Temp folder, and I'm not
currently running a TB beta (and haven't tried any of the
1.52 ones, yet).
So, on my end this happens with the last official version.

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Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?

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Hello Jonathan!

On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 4:54:52 PM you wrote:

 Unless you tell me that this reply looked OK

I just redirected it to you, so you can have a look at all the things
Notes does wrong. It is not PGP signed because I wanted it to look
just like I received it.

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Re: From WIN 95 to Win2K

[Ming-Li]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 at 09:31:54 -0400 Jonathan Wayne wrote:

 I'm pretty sure that there is no difference in the registry format
 of the Windows 9x, 2000, NT, etc family.

I think this statement needs a little clarification. If you mean the
entries TB put into the registry (mostly under the HKCU...\RIT
branch, plus some others) are all the same regardless what OS
platform your machine has, then it's correct.

OTOH, if you mean all those different windows have the same registry
format in general, then it's not correct. WinNT/2k line does have
registry data formats that are not available to Win9x.

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Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?

[Ming-Li]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 at 12:00:01 +1000 K wrote:

 Yeah I get up to 500 or so each week, even though they are mostly
 0-Byte in size they take up heaps of space on your HDD cause EVERY
 file is allocated a "Minimum" size on the HDD and collectively a few
 hundred can add up to a lot of wasted space,

I'm afraid this is not quite correct. The only physical space a
0-byte file takes up on your HD is the directory entry, which is
very little. It won't take up any data cluster.

 this is known as "Slack Space" and your defrag prog may give you stats
 of the amout of this space you have,

I'm afraid this is not correct, either. "Slack space" means the
wasted space resulting from a cluster being not fully used. It's the
difference of the cluster size and the actual space needed for the
*last* cluster of a file. If you have many small files
(single-cluster files), then the slack space would be large in
comparison to the actual file size. Since 0-byte files don't take up
any data cluster, however, it doesn't generate any slack space.

 As well as that when you run a defrag, it takes ages, because it's
 got so many more File-Entries on the HDD to process,

Not really. They may occupy directory entries, but there's no data
cluster to move.

 also same if you delete heaps of them at once, your machine may
 seem to "Hang" as the HDD re-writes hundreds or thousands of
 FAT-entries... ...just wait for it to finish gracefully!

As said, 0-byte files take up directory entries, but no FAT entries.

I'm not trying to say you shouldn't clean them up more often, nor am
I suggesting it's ok for RIT not to clean them up when appropriate
(when closing, e.g.), but your idea about how 0-byte files work on a
FAT/FAT32 system seems to be wrong.

As always, it might be me who is wrong. My apology if that's the
case and please do correct me.

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Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?

[Ming-Li]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 at 05:25:15 -0500 A Curtis Martin wrote:

 I just checked mine and found 1503 TB! related objects!! It
 amounted to just 48KB however. I've never emptied my temp
 directories since using NT and now 2k. Never had a problem. In
 fact the total size of the temp folder is 18MB.

Generally speaking, leftovers in the temp dir aren't really
problematic to our day-to-day operation. When there are too many of
them, however, it does slow down some programs' operation somewhat.

Each program has its unique way of generating temp file names, and
it has to check if a file of the same name is already in the dir. If
there are many leftovers in the dir from the same program, chances
are it would have to try more than once to get a unique file name.

Another matter is if a directory is too large (has too many files,
regardless of their size), directory-related operation would slow
down. Since temp dir is used by some many programs, it might slow
the system down. Whether it's observable is another matter.

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Re: Administrator and more

[Ming-Li]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 at 15:47:08 +0200 Michal Kozusznik wrote:

   I  have defined one account as administrator and others as
   users. Is it  correct,  that  administrator  account  is
   available  only with windows  login  where the account was
   defined? I mean, When I log in into WIndows as another user, I
   can't use Administrator account.

I haven't tried, but I don't think so. The administrator account of
TheBat and the account of the same name of Windows are two different
things. They're not connected in anyway, AFAIK.

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Re[2]: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?

[Dwight A Corrin]

Thursday, April 12, 2001, 10:53:13 AM, you wrote:

 also same if you delete heaps of them at once, your machine may
 seem to "Hang" as the HDD re-writes hundreds or thousands of
 FAT-entries... ...just wait for it to finish gracefully!

 As said, 0-byte files take up directory entries, but no FAT entries.


Actually, I think what takes so long when deleting hundreds (I did 653
from \windows\temp because of TB!) or thousands (I did 32,000 + from
\windows\inf the other day because of WinME automatic updates) is if
you are doing it in a way that the files are sent to the recycle bin.
Once you get away from that, it goes much faster.

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Re: From WIN 95 to Win2K

[Jonathan Wayne]

Thanks for clarifying this, Ming-Li.  There are, of course, some differences
between platforms (e.g., availability of acls and auditing of registry objects
in the NT/2000 family). There are also tons of reg keys that you simply won't
see on an 9x machine. Most non-platform-specific software, however, doesn't care
about any of this; I was simply addressing the backward compatibility of the
non-unicode regedit export format.

(hope this reply came across OK, I'm resigned to a PITA cut/paste with Lotus
Notes.)

jon

Ming-Li ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 at 09:31:54 -0400 Jonathan Wayne wrote:

 I'm pretty sure that there is no difference in the registry format
 of the Windows 9x, 2000, NT, etc family.

I think this statement needs a little clarification. If you mean the
entries TB put into the registry (mostly under the HKCU...\RIT
branch, plus some others) are all the same regardless what OS
platform your machine has, then it's correct.

OTOH, if you mean all those different windows have the same registry
format in general, then it's not correct. WinNT/2k line does have
registry data formats that are not available to Win9x.

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TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Ming-Li]

Hello All,

From the discussion on the other thread, I seem to be the only one
who is not seeing TB temp files in my temp dir regularly, which
makes me wonder what I'm missing. :-)

So I decided to do a little experiment. Nothing scientific or
methodical, just a little observation. I wrote a .bat file that use
DOS dir command to list all files under my temp dir and all its
sub-dir and append the result to a log file. I then schedule it
(with PowerPro, for those who knows it) to run the batch file every
minute.

It started on 7:15 am (my time) and I checked my log at 9:36. During
this 2-hour+ period, I did my usual stuff with TB:
reading/writing/sending email, TB would check mail automatically,
and I did several manual checking. I even did a little house
cleaning job that I usually do in the weekend: killing dupes in all
folders, purging and compressing all folders. I also surfed the web
a little (with IE), did my work (on Word) a little, and read news
with Agent and XNews a little.

BTW, when the experiment began, my Bat had been running for more
about 24 hours since I last shut it down for backup yesterday
morning. In order to see if TB would clean up its temp files and if
it creates them upon startup, I shut down TB around 9:10 and restart
it a few minutes later (in the meantime I do my daily backup, which
usually doesn't require shutting down TB).

During this period, only ONE temp file from TB is recorded. It's a
Word document attachment I received and I let TB launch it (via
Word, of course). What's interesting is TB didn't create the temp
file right under the temp dir. It created a sub-dir named "bat", and
then created the temp file (named "32BCC548.doc") under it.

Other than that, there has been no temp files from TB--at least none
was caught by my per-min. recording!

System configuration: Pentium Pro 200 MHz, 96MB RAM, Win2k Pro SP1

Programs always in the background: a security suite from my
university, PowerPro (a utility), and Powermarks (BTW, thanks for
those who recommended it). No antivirus suite, no ZoneAlarm or the
likes.

And I don't use TB's ticker, if that makes a difference.

I'll keep the experiment going for the day, and I'll report back
tomorrow.

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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Ming-Li]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 at 09:50:11 -0700 Ming-Li wrote:

 It created a sub-dir named "bat", and then created the temp file
 (named "32BCC548.doc") under it.

Sorry, I forgot to mentioned: TB did clean up the temp file and the
sub-dir it created when I shut it down.

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Warnings on undelivered mail

[Ottar Grimstad]

If there is an invalid mailaddress, the smtp-server refuse the mail,
and it stays in the outbox. Careful study of the folderview and the
log, gives away the error, but it is easy to overlook. Is it possible
to turn on more explicits warnings on such errors?

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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Dwight A Corrin]

Thursday, April 12, 2001, 11:50:11 AM, you wrote:

 I even did a little house
 cleaning job that I usually do in the weekend: killing dupes in all
 folders, purging and compressing all folders.

Showing my ignorance, I would like to ask: What is purging?  It sounds
destructive and I have been loathe to test to find out.  I looked at
the FAQ and in the help file to no avail.  Thanks in advance.

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Purging, was:: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Karin Spaink]

On 12-04-2001 at 21:55, Dwight A Corrin kindly wrote:
 Thursday, April 12, 2001, 11:50:11 AM, Ming-Li wrote:

 I even did a little house
 cleaning job that I usually do in the weekend: killing dupes in all
 folders, purging and compressing all folders.

 Showing my ignorance, I would like to ask: What is purging?  It sounds
 destructive and I have been loathe to test to find out.

When you delete a message from a folder, it is not really
removed: it is only taken out of the folder's index file
(*.tbi). When you purge, it is really deleted. But you also
need to compress from time and time: remove old entries
(messages) from the messge database (*.tbb).

It will reduce the size of your folders and increse
operations somewhat. Especially the outbox, inbox and thrash
folders will open much quicker after a purge  compress.


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Re: Administrator and more

[Michal Kozusznik]

Hello Ming-Li,

Thursday, April 12, 2001, 6:05:22 PM, Ming-Li wrote:

 I haven't tried, but I don't think so. The administrator account of
 TheBat and the account of the same name of Windows are two different
 things. They're not connected in anyway, AFAIK.

Nop. I talked not about this.
I cannot use administrator account on another windows account then the
TB!  admin  account  was  created. Doesn't matter what are the accounts
names. In this case my TB! admin account is called just "Admin".
Windows account has different names. But if the TB! admin acc is
created under "name1" Win account, it can't be used under "name2" win
account. TB! says: there is no "Admin" account.
I have only one admin account. I don't know what happens with
more such accounts.

More important is, I can't made working more then one user account
based on the group. TB! doesn't say this account doesn't exist. When I
use wrong password TB! says: "Wrong password". But when I use correct
pass, TB! going to hang or nothing happens (Cancel button on password
requester usually works)

It happens under Windows 98 with IE5.5 (if it does matter)

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Change reply-to for a folder

[sd]

I have a folder, into which all my mail from a mailing list goes to.
When I reply to a message, instead of getting the email address of the
list, I get the email address of the person who sent the message.

Can I do something to change, for this one folder, the address that
ALL replies go to by default?

Thank you in advance.

sd

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi sd,

On 12 April 2001 at  17:56:29 -0500 (which was 23:56 where I  live) sd
wrote to The Bat! Mailing List and made these points:

s Can I do something to change, for this one folder, the address that
s ALL replies go to by default?

Yes you can, and it's *very* *very* dangerous.

I have to say that before I start because you can cause yourself
problems with this solution.

The only way to do this is to create edit the Folder properties and
create a Reply template for the folder which includes the

   %TO=""%TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

macro. This is *very* *very* dangerous and can lead to you sending
messages to that list which you had *intended* to send privately.

There. I feel like I've done my duty. I've explained the solution
responsibly (everyone here knows about my aversion to folder level
templates - heck, I belong to a couple of lists that need this done
and I can't bring myself to do it).

N.B. Don't do this for all the lists you belong to. Most don't need it
and work better with an Address Book reply template tied to the list's
reply address. This solution is really only intended to compensate for
those inconsiderate list managers who can't get the Reply-To set up
right.

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Re[2]: Connection to host broken ....

[Jody Watts]

On  Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 9:50 AM 
Karin Spaink tickled the keyboard keys on the subject of: 
"Connection to host broken ". 
My response follows:


KS On 10-04-2001 at 05:17, Jody Watts kindly wrote:

 I keep getting a message:
 !4/9/2001, 22:08:27: FETCH - Connection to host broken (last commands sent were: 
"RETR 2", "RETR 3")
 This started about a week ago. When it happens, most of the mail from
 the server is downloaded, but NONE is deleted and the next time it
 checks mail, it will download the same messages, fails again and so the
 cycle continues.

KS Have you tried to delete that one particular mail using the
KS despatcher?

KS In your main TB window, go to Account and select "Dispatch
KS mail on server". TB will start reading all your mail on the
KS server and will show you a list of them; from that window,
KS you can proceed to delete (or download) mail. Delete the one
KS mail that's creating havoc, press "Execute", close the
KS despatcher and try to fetch mail in the standard way.


KS - K -


Yes, I did that and it WILL delete them, but it still has trouble
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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Thomas]

Hi Ming-Li,

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:50:11 -0700GMT (13/04/2001, 00:50 +0800GMT),
Ming-Li wrote:

ML So I decided to do a little experiment. Nothing scientific or
ML methodical, just a little observation. I wrote a .bat file that use
ML DOS dir command to list all files under my temp dir and all its
ML sub-dir and append the result to a log file. I then schedule it
ML (with PowerPro, for those who knows it) to run the batch file every
ML minute.

This is indeed methodical, and must have created a rather large log
file which you had to read through after those over two hours. ;-)

ML During this period, only ONE temp file from TB is recorded.

When you download new mail, I understand these messages will be
downloaded to the temp dir first, then "imported" (some, including
myself, have already seen the cycle "importing messages" from TB, and
the occasional hang at that point), and if the import action is
successful, the files will be deleted from temp.

This is what you have missed. If there is any doubt about whether the
"import" was successful, TB will not delete the files in the temp dir,
giving you a chance to find out whether the error might have to do
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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

[Thomas]

Hi Marck,

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:14:17 +0100GMT (13/04/2001, 07:14 +0800GMT),
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

MDP macro. This is *very* *very* dangerous

No it isn't. "*very* *very* dangerous" is drinking and driving.
"*very* *very* dangerous" is experimenting with Molotov cocktails. But
here, we are dealing with an email client. Welcome back to Earth. ;-)

MDP and can lead to you sending messages to that list which you had
MDP *intended* to send privately.

That's the risk. One should take a look at the TO header before
hitting "send". It requires an IQ above that of bread, which should be
no problem for anybody who has grown out of AOL, I guess.

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

[sd]

On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 6:14:17 PM you wrote:

 There. I feel like I've done my duty. I've explained the solution
 responsibly (everyone here knows about my aversion to folder level
 templates - heck, I belong to a couple of lists that need this done
 and I can't bring myself to do it).

OK. I'm convinced. I'll contact the list owner and try to get him to
fix the Reply-To header.

Thanks for the heads-up on the potential complications.

sd

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Uninstall Problem-Help.

[mark nathanson]

I installed the Bat 1.51 and wanted to uninstall. Went to Control-add/remove-clicked the bat and immediately this error came up"Exception E registry exception in module TBAT_Del.exe at 7298. Failed to get data for language." Tried reinstalling over 1.51 but same error. Would like to get a complete uninstall. Help would be appreciated. Thanks.Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Re: Uninstall Problem-Help.

[Thomas]

Hi Mark,

delete the whole The Bat! directory, and the reg key HKCU / Software /
RIT, and you're done.

BTW I hear-say that a new (near future) install version of TB should
also install a correct uninstall facility.

However, your message is an example of an HTML attachment that cannot
be deleted. The attachment has an ".shtml" extension and the
content-type is text/html. Can anybody confirm that this combination
always results in undeletable HTML attachments?

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Re: Uninstall Problem-Help.

[Brian Clark]

Hi Thomas,

@ 12:41:30 AM on 4/13/2001, Thomas wrote:

...
T However, your message is an example of an HTML attachment that
T cannot be deleted. The attachment has an ".shtml" extension and the
T content-type is text/html. Can anybody confirm that this
T combination always results in undeletable HTML attachments?

Not confirmed here, unless I'm going blind. :)

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Re: Deletion of HTML attchmt (was: Uninstall Problem-Help.)

[Brian Clark]

Hi Thomas,

@ 1:24:20 AM on 4/13/2001, Thomas wrote:

...
T However, your message is an example of an HTML attachment that
T cannot be deleted. The attachment has an ".shtml" extension and the
T content-type is text/html. Can anybody confirm that this
T combination always results in undeletable HTML attachments?

BC Not confirmed here, unless I'm going blind. :)

T The Delete option is greyed out in the context menu over here.
T Maybe this is fixed in the beta?

OK, maybe I misunderstood what you were talking about.

I'm working in 'View Folder' mode (no preview). When I read a message
it's usually from the [buggy] Ticker. I hit Ctrl+O, read the message
[if it opens]. I hit Alt+J Esc if I want to keep it, and Del if I don't.

When I hit Del earlier, then went back and checked the attachments
folder to see if what you mentioned was true, I don't see any left
over attachments.

I don't have any HTML mail over here at the moment to check the
context menu, so I can verify the greyed out Delete menu there.

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Re: Deletion of HTML attchmt (was: Uninstall Problem-Help.)

[Brian Clark]

Hi Brian,

@ 1:37:19 AM on 4/13/2001, Brian Clark wrote:

...
BC context menu, so I can verify the greyed out Delete menu there.
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Re: Deletion of HTML attchmt (was: Uninstall Problem-Help.)

[Thomas]

Hi Brian,

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 01:37:19 -0400GMT (13/04/2001, 13:37 +0800GMT),
Brian Clark wrote:

T The Delete option is greyed out in the context menu over here.
T Maybe this is fixed in the beta?

BC OK, maybe I misunderstood what you were talking about.

Apparently.

I have HTML autoview disabled. When I receive HTML messages, I focus
on the attachment icon to the left of the actual message; in the
preview pane or in the folder view. Then I right-click on that
attachment icon, and a context menu pops up with options like
open/save/delete/print etc. Usually I hit "delete", thus deleting the
HTML attachment, and keep only the plain-text version of the mail.

It was reported earlier that this method "sometimes" does not work,
and here we have an example were it didn't. We want to find out why.
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Re: Deletion of HTML attchmt (was: Uninstall Problem-Help.)

[Brian Clark]

Hi Thomas,

@ 1:53:35 AM on 4/13/2001, Thomas wrote:

...
T Apparently.

*grumble*

T I have HTML autoview disabled. When I receive HTML messages, I focus
T on the attachment icon to the left of the actual message; in the
T preview pane or in the folder view. Then I right-click on that
T attachment icon, and a context menu pops up with options like
T open/save/delete/print etc. Usually I hit "delete", thus deleting the
T HTML attachment, and keep only the plain-text version of the mail.

OK, gotcha.

T It was reported earlier that this method "sometimes" does not work,
T and here we have an example were it didn't. We want to find out why.

OK, the next time I get an HTML attachment (as I have HTML auto-views
disabled, too), I'll try it then report back in this thread.

T That was my point.

Hey, no problems here. :)

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