Re: Displaying new status in account tree pane and folder summarypane
Miguel, Thursday, October 24, 2002, 4:17:41 PM, you wrote: Miguel I think I understand what you mean and, as I had a similar feeling Miguel months ago, I will tell you what I have done just in case it is of any Miguel help. Many, many thanks for the extensive description if your creative use of filters. Your scheme is extremely clever and sounds extremely useful. d/ -- Dave Crocker mailto:dhc2;dcrocker.net TribalWise http://www.tribalwise.com t +1.408.246.8253; f +1.408.850.1850 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Multiple Bat users on one PC?
Hello, I would like to set up TB on one PC to have two users. Each user to have different email accounts and dialups. I must be a bit slow today 'cos I've read the help file twice and it doesn't make sense to me. On boring OE it was easy, I just added a new identity. It *seems* very complicated on TB. Reference is made to a user 'logging on' but I can't find any way to make that happen. Any suggestions gratefully received! -- Best regards, Barry mailto:barryh;kentra.co.uk Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: White screen, an error has occurred in your program
Hello Mary! On Friday, October 25, 2002 at 2:23:33 AM you wrote: I was typing along, needed a capital Q and got only a blank space. Got a blank space also when I needed a lower-case q. A bit later, got a strange character that looked like half a per-cent mark when I tried for a lower-case k . Re-phrased my wording and finished writing my mail to avoid q and k. 1. It's your keyboard (how old is it, what vendor?). I had a similar problem about a year ago in the middle of a very urgent project. After a few days of repairing it by re-booting, the keyboard gave up on me. The funny part being that a second KB I had lying around was also out of order. 2. If it's definitely not your KB, it is one of the typical symptoms of Win9x running out of resources (my pet trouble, most Win9x crashes are due to the stupid memory handling with GDI, SYSTEM and USER heaps). Only remedy feasible - if you don't wanna change systems - is a re-boot. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Zoo.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:Dierk.Haasis;Write4U.de?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Second Marriage: Another instance of the triumph of hope over experience. (Samuel Johnson) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board
Hello Barry2! On Friday, October 25, 2002 at 4:47:03 AM you wrote: That would only happen if TBUDL and any message list covered the same ground. What is talked about here is an 'absolute beginners' forum where new users can get basic help on setting up and using TB! If a lot of people, falsely, think TBUDL is advanced (which maybe at the moment because there are relatively few beginners' questions), why not open up a TBBL AND MAKE IT KNOWN through RITLabs' download page or the ReadMe for TB? The Caps part is on purpose as I think it is much more important to give users the correct directions at the right point on where to get help! Much more important than having various fori (Latin plural and 2nd case) in different places. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Zoo.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:Dierk.Haasis;Write4U.de?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Use your health, even to the point of wearing it out. That is what it is for. Spend all you have before you die; and do not outlive yourself. (George Bernard Shaw) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board
Hello Anne! On Friday, October 25, 2002 at 5:05:22 AM you wrote: [...] instead. Right, instead. So, you have to be on both fora (sorry for the mistake in the other message -i is 2nd case, -a is plural in Latin; forum is neutral) - ML and MB. The MB needs seasoned users for the answers, just in case anybody forgot who'd have to answer the questions). -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Zoo.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:Dierk.Haasis;Write4U.de?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C If all men acted from enlightened self interest, the world would be a paradise in comparison to what it is. (Bertrand Russell) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB crashed
Hello Anne! On Friday, October 25, 2002 at 3:21:45 AM you wrote: Interesting to know Dierk, I only knew about the 8Gb drive as my friend had a Win95 box with that size HD :-) JFYI, I run one HD with 4.5 GB, which serves only as my system drive. Another HD (for programmes and working files) has 18 GB and is partitioned into four - none is as small as 2 GB (actually they all have about 4.5 GB). Before another drive gave in (a 2MB Seagate) I had three drives for even more segregation. With PM I can change the partition's sizes at will without losing anything. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Zoo.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:Dierk.Haasis;Write4U.de?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C A man cannot be comfortable without his own approval. (Mark Twain) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Splash Screen?
Hello Anne! On Friday, October 25, 2002 at 4:34:06 AM you wrote: Dierk, do you mean is my TB program path the same as Jonathan wrote? Yes. The first thing to look for is always if someone corrected paths to his needs. If so, yes it it, and the batch file *did* work when I ran it from the directory - just not via the hotkey. Saw that a few minutes later - our messages crossed each other (luckily not out). As you yourself assume, something with the hotkey is wrong. Can't help you there, only say, delete it and create it from scratch. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Zoo.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:Dierk.Haasis;Write4U.de?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Nur dem nützt das Lob, der den Tadel zu schätzen versteht. (Robert Schumann) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New Messages (was: no subject)
Hello Anne! On Friday, October 25, 2002 at 4:55:38 AM you wrote: O n I *hate* The Simpsons! lol Huh? -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Zoo.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:Dierk.Haasis;Write4U.de?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Second Marriage: Another instance of the triumph of hope over experience. (Samuel Johnson) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
On Thursday, October 24, 2002, 15:29, Barry Higginbottom wrote: I would like to set up TB on one PC to have two users. Each user to have different email accounts and dialups. On boring OE it was easy, I just added a new identity. It *seems* very complicated on TB. Reference is made to a user 'logging on' but I can't find any way to make that happen. Set up two accounts and make appropriate settings under Account | Properties | Network. If you want you can also password protect both accounts. If you're paranoid you can set each accounts priviligies under Options | Network and administration -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Marcus, 25-Oct-2002, 10:47 +0200 (09:47 UK time) Marcus Ohlström [MO] in mid:216141671.20021025104708;canit.se said: I would like to set up TB on one PC to have two users. Each user to have different email accounts and dialups. On boring OE it was easy, I just added a new identity. It *seems* very complicated on TB. Reference is made to a user 'logging on' but I can't find any way to make that happen. MO Set up two accounts and make appropriate settings under Account MO | Properties | Network. If you want you can also password MO protect both accounts. If you're paranoid you can set each MO accounts priviligies under Options | Network and MO administration ... then set up a third account called Admin which has no transport settings nor very much else but does have a password. Log into the Admin account and, under Networks and Administration, set the other two accounts to be User accounts and the Admin account to be an Administrator account. That is the final piece of the puzzle to do exactly what you wanted. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9uREAOeQkq5KdzaARAkgIAKC1XbvTRw09QxCK0/vAryU0tfo+8QCeOmBj kUMl76Jg0yh97+4cvI1PbDs= =lErS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 11:38, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: ... then set up a third account called Admin which has no transport settings nor very much else but does have a password. Log into the Admin account and, under Networks and Administration, set the other two accounts to be User accounts and the Admin account to be an Administrator account. That is the final piece of the puzzle to do exactly what you wanted. Is this really needed? Why not let one or both of the two accounts have admin privileges? At least one of the two users will now the admin password, can't his/her own account be the admin account as well then? -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Marcus, 25-Oct-2002, 11:42 +0200 (10:42 UK time) Marcus Ohlström [MO] in mid:1019436539.20021025114203;canit.se said: ... then set up a third account called Admin which has no transport settings nor very much else but does have a password. MO Is this really needed? Yes. MO Why not let one or both of the two accounts have admin MO privileges? At least one of the two users will now the admin MO password, can't his/her own account be the admin account as well MO then? Because he asked that the two accounts be separate log-ins to TB. The only way to do that is to make them User accounts. He'd need an administrator log in for maintenance purposes since user accounts may be restricted. I've done this one before and it works perfectly. Yes, one of the original two accounts could be the admin account, but it doesn't have to be. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9uRQHOeQkq5KdzaARAuxSAJ9TROOzMF3eSAzDfw+YwXrrhMpQJQCg/JZK CgcmHtiN8+aCZEiem7bz8g4= =N66d -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 11:51, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MO Why not let one or both of the two accounts have admin privileges? MO At least one of the two users will now the admin password, can't MO his/her own account be the admin account as well then? Because he asked that the two accounts be separate log-ins to TB. OK, I'll believe you. I've never tried this setup myself anyway. But one thing springs to mind. Could this login be what jwayne is talking about in the thread Log on prompts... begining with mid:6478262836.20021022095732;myrealbox.com ? If so, maybe someone with experience from using user accounts should help him out (you might take this as a hint if you feel like it :-) -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Marcus, 25-Oct-2002, 11:59 +0200 (10:59 UK time) Marcus Ohlström [MO] in mid:7210498375.20021025115945;canit.se said: MO But one thing springs to mind. Could this login be what jwayne MO is talking about in the thread Log on prompts... begining with MO mid:6478262836.20021022095732;myrealbox.com ? Not entirely. MO If so, maybe someone with experience from using user accounts MO should help him out (you might take this as a hint if you feel MO like it :-) I read that thread as it came in but I've never seen *dual* password prompts like he's describing so I can't really help. It looks, from what jwayne's saying, that he knows full well about user/admin configurations but is being surprised by the mailto: behaviour. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9uRrhOeQkq5KdzaARAnvkAJ4wLXlMhOyVsMBEcZqn8phgEpFPCQCg+gly /wzbzXFexQXbritwt7ShKVg= =eeu6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 12:20, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: I read that thread as it came in but I've never seen *dual* password prompts like he's describing so I can't really help. It looks, from what jwayne's saying, that he knows full well about user/admin configurations but is being surprised by the mailto: behaviour. Could it be that TB! for some reason tries to log on to one account but tries to send the message from another? It would indeed be a strange behaviour, but it's my last shot. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New Messages (was: no subject)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Dave, On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:30:59 -0700 your time, you authored this: DC Imagine trying to distinguish all those sounds I got around this by recording wavs for each folder myself. That is, I recorded, mail from [person's/company's name here] and assigned it to their folder. For mail that can wait [the uninteresting stuff like bills ;)] I don't have sounds. Even so, it can get annoying if someone has the habit of forwarding all their so called 'funny' email every five minutes. - -- Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPbkpc8tub/5cfolmEQI2BACcDSKmie4EbYTDgYzNUgcshLlqMQoAn0H3 cLPQtWsAwM5suvoNqTnCVzjC =Nf+s -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Displaying new status in account tree pane and folder summarypane
Hello Dave, Many, many thanks for the extensive description if your creative use of filters. What do you mean many thanks! You owe me a beer! ;-) Yes, provided I normally use 4 accounts plus a 5th one for newsgroups, with a total of some 350 folders (folders and sub-folders up to 4 levels deep) I'm certainly quite satisfied with my scheme. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Marcus, 25-Oct-2002, 13:14 +0200 (12:14 UK time) Marcus Ohlström [MO] in mid:263947836.20021025131426;canit.se said: I read that thread as it came in but I've never seen *dual* password prompts like he's describing so I can't really help. It looks, from what jwayne's saying, that he knows full well about user/admin configurations but is being surprised by the mailto: behaviour. MO Could it be that TB! for some reason tries to log on to one MO account but tries to send the message from another? It would MO indeed be a strange behaviour, but it's my last shot. Actually, yes - that's a thought. This account is the default for mailto:; is the key there. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9uSz3OeQkq5KdzaARAmFXAJ9WzVV1Z96CnFuDTENVEpnRfJGt0ACfSb/F /MNDof5hPdPU1x9jbXy2o8w= =5gIQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Marck, On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:22:58 +0100 your time, you authored this: MDP I don't know if this has been made clear but the neither the TB list MDP moderators nor the TB list hosters have expressed any interest in MDP creating, hosting or moderating such a board. Accept in mid:11620280111.20021022165444;zedat.fu-berlin.de Johannes wrote: JP Should you want, we can set up the message board on the server hosting JP the TheBat-lists. Just drop me a note... :) - -- Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPbkwq8tub/5cfolmEQJEtACdHqkHStVlTe2qzgzT2UJaPhc1aZkAoMvt HJnM8EHoZ/j0GanzFirh+HdD =/CEt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 13:37, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MO Could it be that TB! for some reason tries to log on to one account MO but tries to send the message from another? It would indeed be a MO strange behaviour, but it's my last shot. Actually, yes - that's a thought. This account is the default for mailto:; is the key there. I'm not sure about that (even if This account is the default for mailto:; must be involved). I think the key is bad programming by RIT Labs. My guess is that TB! interpret account settings in the wrong order. When launched through a mailto: link, it first checks for This account is the default for mailto:; and tries to send the message through the corresponding account, thus putting up the dialog asking for account password. It then realize there are accounts set up as user and not admin and asks for log on. If TB! instead first checked for the presence of user accounts, it could present only the log on box and dismiss the account password dialog. I think this should be reported to the bugtraq, but since I don't have my username/password at hand, anyone else feel like reporting? Jonathan, have you seen this thread? Any thoughts? -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board
Hi Marck and others! In message mid:488327688.20021025102258;silverstones.com on Friday, October 25, 2002, 4:22:58 AM, you wrote: MDP I haven't said this myself yet, but Allie has said it - I won't be MDP participating in a message board. Every time I have been forced to MDP use one, I have found the experience time consuming, cumbersome and MDP negative. I have to break off from what I'm doing and deliberately MDP log in to see what's going on there. I get notifications when one of MDP my posts gets a response but joining in otherwise is a matter of MDP vigilant monitoring. I don't have time or energy (nor a broadband MDP connection g) to do that. I haven't noticed anyone mentioning it, but there's no reason that a message board cannot also be a mailing list. Yahoo and Topica are good examples of these; you can read mail online or you can get it via email or both. This would probably work quite well for everyone, if you don't mind the ads. I agree completely about message boards, though; I don't think that anyone who has been online for any length of time will care much for them, although they are GREAT for newbies who simply want a fast answer without a commitment (subscription to mailing list), and they're generally also good for searching for a question that may have already been answered. -- --Scott. mailto:Wizard;local.nu Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on an AMD Athlon XP 1900 (1.6G real, 1.9G effective) with 512MB. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Simon, 25-Oct-2002, 12:53 Simon said: MDP I don't know if this has been made clear but the neither the MDP TB list moderators nor the TB list hosters have expressed any MDP interest in creating, hosting or moderating such a board. Accept in mid:11620280111.20021022165444;zedat.fu-berlin.de Johannes wrote: JP Should you want, we can set up the message board on the server JP hosting the TheBat-lists. Just drop me a note... Okay, strike the hosting bit of the above. Johannes provides server space and technical support for the lists, it's true. However, all list administration is carried out by Leif, Allie and myself. A message board will still need administrators and, from what has been said both here and between us, I don't think we're actually willing to fulfil that role... Unless there is some way of having a dual list / message board (where posts to the board go to the list and vice versa). Now that I would be willing to moderate and participate in, no problem. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9uTd+OeQkq5KdzaARAjg5AJkBROxInt3kzXqZDdCZc/BJZPxWHACgy3XM Y8dZNW8zMv2mY7DzPQ0YsAA= =E5EG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Scott, On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:15:06 -0500 your time, you authored this: SM I don't think that anyone who has been online for any length of time SM will care much for them - From my own experience, I personally believe that this is not so! My forum members are 'long-termers' and most have been online since the year dot! Many of us are well versed in all things technical and therefore can in no way be described as 'newbies', not even close. Whilst many of us have our personal preferences for methods of communicating online we all agree that forums are without a doubt valuable, important platforms for communication, and that they can meet the requirements of all levels of user, and offer enhancements to communicating that other mediums cannot provide. I wouldn't like to say how this misconception has been propagated (the idea that only Internet newbies frequent Net forums) but the Internet is amass with professional help forums and general discussion forums alike so obviously it can be dismissed without much effort. It is my opinion that there are advantages and disadvantages with every communication medium, and that having complimentary forums would only provide benefits to all levels of user, as everyone will have different requirements. Should the initiators take their roles seriously then another useful resource will be made available to a wider audience and I don't see how others can be negative about that. The sooner forums emerge the better IMO. - -- Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPbk+B8tub/5cfolmEQJepgCfZGAjAaBfKCgfsQpWxS5X208UUjkAoNMJ oHjXlhDl+2+lH39cimq+p8dx =v/ig -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board
On 10/25/2002, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: So. Who's on first base? Me, I guess. I will be trying out a few more scripts this weekend... and will then narrow my choices down to two or three. Next, I will set up a test board for each and invite participants of this list who have expressed support for a board to look at them all. With their feedback I will choose which script to run. The next step will be asking a few people to donate their time as forum moderators. A board is not intended to replace the mailing lists but rather to act as a complement to it. My own experience has shown that many people enjoy the use of a message board; their popularity on the web proves it. These aren't just kids hanging out in forums dedicated to their favorite band or whatever... dslreports.com is an excellent example of a board at its finest with people from all age groups and walks of life participating. To those on-list who are interested in participating in the discussions or giving me a hand in moderating the forum, I say welcome and thanks. Conversely, if boards aren't your cup of tea, or if your Internet access plan precludes your joining in, my regrets. I will have links to the test boards posted to the list sometime Sunday, 10/27. -- Regards, Don Zeigler * bringing you boring sigfiles for over 14 years * ...This sentence contradicts itself: no, wait, actually it doesn't. www.donzeigler.com | This message brought to you by The Bat v1.61 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board
Good afternoon List Members,
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 at 01:37:55 [GMT +0200] Jan Rifkinson wrote:
DZ Per an earlier thread I would like to
DZ propose a message board for the purposes
DZ of promoting and discussing the Bat. [...]
I'm sorry. I don't get it. What's the
advantage to that over this forum?
And for those who pay per minute or are not
working with cable, DSL, ADSL, etc, it
would be expensive a giant pain wouldn't
it?
Actually our official German forum is frequented by more than 1300
members and well accepted - more than I ever expected. It is an
additional 'channel' for users who want fast response/solutions on
problems w/o the need to subscribe to a list. We have very skilled users
who could be found there every day helping people having trouble with
their batling.
Additionally an FAQ server was set up which is maintained by several
'mods'. A ticket system will follow in November to complete the support
line for German users/corp customers.
--
Regards
Dieter
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Re: Splash Screen?
Hello Anne, On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, at 03:42:27 [GMT +0100] (which was 10:42:27 PM in NY, USA) Anne wrote: JS For a goof, try this: Just for fun I tried creating another batch file which runs the original batch file which has the /nologo parameter. I programmed the hotkey to run the second batch file, and Lo! it ran and launched TB *without* the logo. However, I did get a huge black dos window in the middle of my screen which actually lasted longer than TB splash screen and didn't auto-close! g Actually, the point of my message was to scrap the batch file idea entirely. My method works with shortcuts. I think if you tried my suggestion mid:14814493600.20021023123620;rosedreamdesign.com and mid:1513564224.20021021234450;rosedreamdesign.com that it would work per your original request. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: White screen, an error has occurred in your program
Hi, Dierk, You wrote: MB I was typing along, needed a capital Q and got only a blank space. ... DH 1. It's your keyboard (how old is it, what vendor?). 5 years old, (bought January, '98) came with the Compaq 4540, all new then. Bought the entire system, including a Sony Trinitron Multiscan 200ES 17-inch monitor and an HP LaserJet 6L BW printer, locally from a chain store, Staples Office Supply. Do you think everything is about to fall apart simultaneously like Longfellow's Wonderful One-Horse Shay? Temporarily, I'm going to go with insufficient System Resources. Put the little gauge back in the tray to keep up with them. DH ...I had a similar problem about a year ago...The funny part DH being that a second KB I had lying around was also out of order. Murphy's Law. DH 2. If it's definitely not your KB, it is one of the typical symptoms DH of Win9x running out of resources (my pet trouble, most Win9x crashes DH are due to the stupid memory handling with GDI, SYSTEM and USER DH heaps). Only remedy feasible - if you don't wanna change systems - is DH a re-boot. For now, that'll be my fix. Thanks a bunch, Dierk. -- Mary Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 5:38 AM, you wrote: MO Set up two accounts and make appropriate settings under Account MO | Properties | Network. If you want you can also password MO protect both accounts. If you're paranoid you can set each MO accounts priviligies under Options | Network and MO administration so, if I click on Account specific settings for all my accounts ( WinXP home) and my wife logs into XP and runs TB she will have a new blank setup? She asked about running TB, but I never even thought about 2 users. MDP ... then set up a third account called Admin which has no MDP transport settings nor very much else but does have a password. Log MDP into the Admin account and, under Networks and Administration, set MDP the other two accounts to be User accounts and the Admin account MDP to be an Administrator account. That is the final piece of the MDP puzzle to do exactly what you wanted. ok, ADMIN created, and all of my accounts changed from Administrative to USER. NOW, when my wife creates an account I need to go back into ADMIN and change whatever she creates to be USER, then we will both have separate TB profiles? This is also a powerful tool that isn't beginner level ( maybe) but I wish I would have known about it when I setup TB... I could have moved my wife onto TB long ago! -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Access fron Network Computer
Hello I'm sure this has been asked before, but I can't seem to find any answeres. I would like to (once in a while) access my TheBat email accounts from my laptop on my LAN. I tried this once, (as I did in Eudora) by creating a shortcut to TheBat on my Laptop, linkin it to the Desktop, where TheBat is working. After I tried it, and it did it's thing... I had to restore TheBat, to get it working again. If this can be done -- Best regards, Ben mailto:bpugsley;worldnet.att.net http://home.att.net/~bpugsley (Our Home Pages) http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/8112/index2.html (Sewing Machines) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board
Hello Marck, Friday, October 25, 2002, 5:22:58 AM, you wrote: MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MDP Hash: SHA1 MDP Hi Angel, MDP 24-Oct-2002, 21:45 -0700 (05:45 UK time) Angel [A] in MDP mid:6093719401.20021024214513;email.com said: ACM This is why the board would need dedicated participants to ACM offer prompt help if you're all serious about getting it to ACM successfully take off. A I really hope it is considered, and seriously so. MDP I don't know if this has been made clear but the neither the TB list MDP moderators nor the TB list hosters have expressed any interest in MDP creating, hosting or moderating such a board. Hello Marck and everyone, I have been following the discussion of a proposal to have a novice forum setup on the web. Many points have been raised: Who would run it? What form it would take, blah, blah. Perhaps a forum is not what's needed. As an example, I am a novice user of some art software called Xara X, Xara supports a forum (for lack of a better term) containing tutorials (the XaraXone.com). Yes, there's a conference section, but that seems to me most like having these email discussions, but it's the tutorials I've gone for. I have learned more about the program than any other program I have had because the tutorials are so well written. In order to solve this problem for the new users, clearly they're intimidated by the industrial look of TB! - why not design a good, follow-the-steps set of tutorials that can help a new person settle in? It probably wouldn't do to separate out the boards to multi- user and single user, (which I often imagined) because many of the issues are the same, though to be honest, I'm bored stiff by the programming the multi users have to do. As a single user, I will NEVER encounter many of the issues that come up for the networked corporate user, but occasionally there are some things that pertain. One of the other considerations people have mentioned in this thread is the visibility of TB!, a separate topic from the forum idea. It would be nice for RitLabs - or perhaps all the resellers as a group - to have a webpage clearly labeled TheBat.com or somesuch. Yes, then people on Google or whoever, would be able to find them. Have a tutorial section. Have a template download section. Lots of ideas. -- Fond regards to all Bats, mmmailto:mmeister;sprintmail.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access fron Network Computer
Hallo Ben, On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:42:31 -0600GMT (25-10-02, 15:42 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: BP I would like to (once in a while) access my TheBat email accounts BP from my laptop on my LAN. Can be done. Follow the instructions in TB's help under: The Bat! Networking Course -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB crashed
Hello Mary, On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 23:57:13 -0500 GMT (25/10/02, 11:57 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: No, I didn't know that. All the same, you're still international to me even if your guest was from within the same country. I'm on the other side of the globe in the USA. Ah, I've heard of that country. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing. -- Redd Foxx Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board
Hello mm, On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:54:37 -0400 GMT (25/10/02, 20:54 +0700 GMT), mm Meister wrote: In order to solve this problem for the new users, clearly they're intimidated by the industrial look of TB! - why not design a good, follow-the-steps set of tutorials that can help a new person settle in? Actually I thought about it. When you look at Eudora, you can go to any good bookshop and buy a big book called Using Eudora. But for The Bat, the book would be out of date by the time it is printed and hits the stores. To publish the tutorials on the web means constant updating, as TB's development is quite fast (or maybe it just feels that way to beta testers?), and I cannot promise the tutorial would always refer to the latest version. A tutorial based on a prior version is useless, maybe even damaging to the software's reputation (as people try out things that in the end don't work that way in the current version they just downloaded). I haven't given up the idea, but I don't think it makes a lot of sense to start the project now (it will probably take a few months to write all of this), because v2 is already on the horizon and we have no idea how the interface etc will change. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I live in my own little world, but it's ok, they know me here. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
SOT [WasRe[2]: TB crashed]
Hi, Thomas, You wrote: TF Ah, I've heard of that country. ;-) And I of beautiful Thailand, which has at least one Bat that I know of. :) -- Mary USA Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In mid:16211654890.20021025212051;gmx.net, Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:' TF To publish the tutorials on the web means constant updating, as TF TB's development is quite fast (or maybe it just feels that way TF to beta testers?), and I cannot promise the tutorial would TF always refer to the latest version. A tutorial based on a prior TF version is useless, maybe even damaging to the software's TF reputation (as people try out things that in the end don't work TF that way in the current version they just downloaded). This is an interesting point. For a long time, I've been thinking of writing something on TB!'s editor. I hadn't done so because I didn't want to write a page that would go defunct soon afterwards. v2 seemed just over the horizon and I'm embarrassed to say that this impression has been dragging on for over a year, hence my not creating the tutorial. The same for filtering. I was thinking of augmenting Leif's page with some other pointers and illustrations on filtering techniques. However, when we got a glimpse of the new filtering design, I put it off. The same goes for other features. I'll be waiting for v2 before I personally put together any more tutorials or support pages for any of TB!'s major features. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta7 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9uWWFV8nrYCsHF+IRArtrAKDIcl7PsGk/YEbMhH+gP495z5dyIACgoc51 f5Ll+nVMSAMOhug0YT6erHk= =saxC -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 8:05:44 AM, Marcus Ohlström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MO On Friday, October 25, 2002, 13:37, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MO Could it be that TB! for some reason tries to log on to one account MO but tries to send the message from another? It would indeed be a MO strange behaviour, but it's my last shot. Actually, yes - that's a thought. This account is the default for mailto:; is the key there. MO I'm not sure about that (even if This account is the default for MO mailto:; must be involved). I think the key is bad programming by RIT MO Labs. MO My guess is that TB! interpret account settings in the wrong order. When MO launched through a mailto: link, it first checks for This account is MO the default for mailto:; and tries to send the message through the MO corresponding account, thus putting up the dialog asking for account MO password. It then realize there are accounts set up as user and not MO admin and asks for log on. MO If TB! instead first checked for the presence of user accounts, it could MO present only the log on box and dismiss the account password dialog. MO I think this should be reported to the bugtraq, but since I don't have MO my username/password at hand, anyone else feel like reporting? MO Jonathan, have you seen this thread? Any thoughts? Interesting. I removed the default for mailto option on my password-protected account. Closed TB. Then clicked on a mailto: URL. The password only dialog did NOT come up. The Logon did. I then entered another account name and no password (as there was no password for this account) and TB started up. It did NOT start a new message, however, but gave me a TB view of that account only. (That is, as if I had started TB with a non-admin account name.) I could not do ANYTHING in TB, nor could I even close TB! I had to End Task on the TB process; however TB gave me an Access Violation message and I force an abort via the W2K Not responding message. At this point there was NO account with a default for mailto option enabled. I then started TB normally, enabled the default for mailto option on the non-password protected account and closed TB. Then clicked on a mailto: URL again. This time, the Logon dialog flashed on the screen and TB started up with a new message, using that default mailto account. I was limited to that message, however, until I entered something in the Logon dialog. These errors are reproducible in my environment. I'm surprised that other folks have not experienced them. To me, it only reaffirms my opinion that the whole Network and Administration methodology of TB needs to be revamped and then properly documented. It seems more of an afterthought, and really is not that administerable. (My needs are not demanding, but I'd prefer a simple security database for managing accounts: creating, granting rights, changing passwords, etc.) jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board
Good afternoon List Members,
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 at 17:10:08 [GMT +0200] Thomas Fernandez wrote:
Actually I thought about it. When you look at Eudora, you can go to
any good bookshop and buy a big book called Using Eudora. But for
The Bat, the book would be out of date by the time it is printed and
hits the stores.
We _will_ publish a book in German(y). We'll use the BOD scheme to
take account of possible changes. Guess that we will refer to v2 also.
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unread mail icon
Hi I previously expressed an interest in learning how to configure TB! so the icon it shows when I have unread mail is not animated but does differ from that shown when I have no unread mail. Unless I've missed something in the replies and other information I have consulted, there is no way to do this. Unchecking Options | Preferences | General | Icon animation when unread messages are detected seems to freeze the bat in mid-flap (if it's flying) and inhibit the icon from indicating whether I have unread mail. I'd be interested in alternative solutions, but the best one I can think of - except it's not implemented :) - is to have the option to set the icon to (say) one of the current animated icons when I have unread mail. I don't think hiding the taskbar/tray or using sounds or using the mail ticker (tm) will be satisfactory for me but I could be wrong. If there are no suitable alternative solutions, I'm considering raising this as a wish/bug and would appreciate any advice. Thanks Keith -- Keith Anderson The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board
Hello Thomas, Friday, October 25, 2002, 10:20:51 AM, you wrote: TF Hello mm, TF On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:54:37 -0400 GMT (25/10/02, 20:54 +0700 GMT), TF mm Meister wrote: In order to solve this problem for the new users, clearly they're intimidated by the industrial look of TB! - why not design a good, follow-the-steps set of tutorials that can help a new person settle in? TF Actually I thought about it. When you look at Eudora, you can go to TF any good bookshop and buy a big book called Using Eudora. But for TF The Bat, the book would be out of date by the time it is printed and TF hits the stores. Yes on some things. I still get use out my old PageMaker manual for version 5. We have the same problem. Just now we are about to release our new version of software and realize that because of future changes the manual really will be out of date, so we cannot take advantage of lower printing costs for the larger print order. TF To publish the tutorials on the web means constant updating, as TB's TF development is quite fast (or maybe it just feels that way to beta TF testers?), and I cannot promise the tutorial would always refer to the TF latest version. A tutorial based on a prior version is useless, maybe TF even damaging to the software's reputation (as people try out things TF that in the end don't work that way in the current version they just TF downloaded). I believe this depends on how you do it. There are things that will always remain the same. How does one actually set up their mail ? That's the same, regardless. Why use templates? How do you write templates? Write these with the idea of the single user in mind (the corporate guys can pay for it ;) So if you write the tutorial with the idea of how to accomplish certain tasks in TheBat!, then it will possibly never go out of date (unless TheBat! someday includes automatic template creation) :0 TF I haven't given up the idea, but I don't think it makes a lot of sense TF to start the project now (it will probably take a few months to write TF all of this), because v2 is already on the horizon and we have no idea TF how the interface etc will change. Well yes, but if you were to do just a basic how-to tutorial, that would still be ok. It would depend on how much time you can volunteer to the project! :) Time is the most expensive thing there is, I think. I so enjoy your tag lines, Thomas. -- mmmailto:mmeister;sprintmail.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Tutorial (was: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board)
Hello Dieter, On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 17:39:54 +0200 GMT (25/10/02, 22:39 +0700 GMT), Dieter Hummel wrote: We _will_ publish a book in German(y). We'll use the BOD scheme to take account of possible changes. Guess that we will refer to v2 also. Good news from you again. :-) Please keep me updated. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Money can't buy happiness but it can certainly rent it for a couple of hours. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?-user logins?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 11:42 AM, you wrote: MO Could it be that TB! for some reason tries to log on to one account MO but tries to send the message from another? It would indeed be a MO strange behaviour, but it's my last shot. I'm still a little confused about the users and accounts. After I setup ADMIN, now when I start TB it asks for the user and login. I never set myself up as a USER and I see no place to do that. I have 6 accounts that I track mail from. I can get to them ALL right now using the ADMIN login. If I setup TB for another Windows XP login, will they also be able to access my login accounts? I'd rather sort all this out before I add the next user -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Proposal: The Bat! Message Board
Hello mm, On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:14:48 -0400 GMT (25/10/02, 23:14 +0700 GMT), mm Meister wrote: (unless TheBat! someday includes automatic template creation) :0 I wouldn't rule this out... The *only* Bat in the world that uses *artificial* intelligence. ;-) I so enjoy your tag lines, Thomas. Thanks. I have over a hundred now, and each of them has been hand-picked (manually cp'ed). ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The tides are a fight between the Earth and moon. All water tends towards the moon, because there is no water in the moon, and nature abhors a vacuum. I forget where the sun joins in this fight. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
Hello jwayne, On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:42:22 -0400 GMT (25/10/02, 22:42 +0700 GMT), jwayne wrote: These errors are reproducible in my environment. I'm surprised that other folks have not experienced them. If someone can reproduce them (and I am too tired tonight, and I still have to write one report for tomorrow morning, just putting it off by checking email instead g), I think you have found a bug. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. What? What the hell is a RFC? I _do_ already use NAV! - Peter Palmreuther on TBUDL. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Splash Screen?
Hello James, Wednesday, October 23, 2002, 7:59:09 PM, you wrote: JA dir JA and see what it tells you The Bat! folder is. Mine shows as JA thebat~1... Will that be the same in Windows XP? I can't duplicate the above in XP. JS For XP, you can try the same method via command prompt. You can JS get to the prompt by typing command (without quotes) in the JS Run dialogue. Yes, but can't see two Bat folder names. -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters.
Hello Chris, Thursday, October 24, 2002, 8:43:26 PM, you wrote: CW Spot my deliberate mistake!? For some reason I though active would make CW it run automatically, rather than having 'Manual' checked! Doh :-\ CW It's working fine now! Just need to work on the delete filter which CW should be childs play and also, how a quick key can run all the filters CW for me (Re-Filter Folder). View/Edit Shortcuts/Folder and click on Re-filter. CW Saves going through the menus and selecting CW the 'Read' filter aswell. I don't know how to do that. If the checkboxes are not set right, you have to set them. If you want them the same way each time, I have no clue. Someone else? CW Suggestions? CW Cheers, CW Chris. -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters.
Hi Adam, On Friday, October 25, 2002 14:26 your local time, which was 09:56 my local time, Adam Adam [A] wrote; CW It's working fine now! Just need to work on the delete filter which CW should be childs play and also, how a quick key can run all the CW filters for me (Re-Filter Folder). A View/Edit Shortcuts/Folder and click on Re-filter. CW Saves going through the menus and selecting the 'Read' filter CW aswell. A I don't know how to do that. If the checkboxes are not set right, you A have to set them. If you want them the same way each time, I have no A clue. Someone else? CW Suggestions? I've set up a nice little hot-key through PowerPro to execute what I require. It goes through the menus and selects the read filters aswell and works it's magic. Everything is now working fine. Thanks everyone for their help! By the way, give PowerPro a go. It's a great program, powerful and free. Extremely light on resources for such a powerful program. Get it here:- http://www.windowspowerpro.com/ Not really a glossy website, but the product is great. Ask Allie Martin too! Cheers, Chris. -- E-Mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Created Using The Bat! V1.61 and Virus Checked by DrWeb. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Multiple Bat users on one PC?-user logins?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 12:37:04 PM, Paul Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PC On Friday, October 25, 2002, 11:42 AM, you wrote: MO Could it be that TB! for some reason tries to log on to one account MO but tries to send the message from another? It would indeed be a MO strange behaviour, but it's my last shot. PC I'm still a little confused about the users and accounts. After I setup PC ADMIN, now when I start TB it asks for the user and login. I never set PC myself up as a USER and I see no place to do that. I have 6 accounts PC that I track mail from. I can get to them ALL right now using the ADMIN PC login. If I setup TB for another Windows XP login, will they also be PC able to access my login accounts? I'd rather sort all this out before I PC add the next user The TB user account has nothing to do with the XP login (except insofar as the HKCU registry key will be different for different XP logins and needs to be addressed; you'll find conflicting info here regarding this issue as recent threads have shown.) An Admin account will see all accounts when starting TB. But if other accounts are password protected, you'll still need the password to drill down into those accounts. The other accounts - when logging in (or when starting TB with /focusu=accountname or /focusu=accountname;p=accountpassword) ONLY show that account that was logged into. You set the account up as Admin or User (the latter with specific permissions) via Options | Network Administration | Privileges. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
Hello Marck, Friday, October 25, 2002, 11:38:06 AM, you wrote: I would like to set up TB on one PC to have two users. Each user to have different email accounts and dialups. On boring OE it was easy, I just added a new identity. It *seems* very complicated on TB. Reference is made to a user 'logging on' but I can't find any way to make that happen. MO Set up two accounts and make appropriate settings under Account MO | Properties | Network. If you want you can also password MO protect both accounts. If you're paranoid you can set each MO accounts priviligies under Options | Network and MO administration MDP ... then set up a third account called Admin which has no MDP transport settings nor very much else but does have a password. Log MDP into the Admin account and, under Networks and Administration, set MDP the other two accounts to be User accounts and the Admin account MDP to be an Administrator account. That is the final piece of the MDP puzzle to do exactly what you wanted. Ok, if I understand it right, this is an option to have multiple TB! user, using TB! from *one* WindowsXP user. I think it would be useful to have multiple Windows users, each having their own TB! setup. When I try this it seems to work when all Windows user are of type Computer administrator but my kids have a Limited account and when I try to start TB! from such an account I get the error message Failed to create working directory C:\Program Files\The Bat!\MAIL\. Any suggestion how to fix this without promoting the kids to Computer administrator? -- Best regards, Hans Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
Friday, October 25, 2002, 12:38:06 PM, Hans wrote: I think it would be useful to have multiple Windows users, each having their own TB! setup. When I try this it seems to work when all Windows user are of type Computer administrator but my kids have a Limited account and when I try to start TB! from such an account I get the error message Failed to create working directory C:\Program Files\The Bat!\MAIL\. Any suggestion how to fix this without promoting the kids to Computer administrator? This is how I have my SO myself set up on XP, however, we are both Administrator accounts. It sounds to me like a permissions issue to the MAIL folder. Are you using NTFS? Maybe try altering the permissions for that folder so the kids' XP user accounts have full control rights on that folder. -- Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Spam - whitelisting domains?
I'm looking for an easy way to set up a rule to whitelist the domain of someone who sends me e-mail. For instance, if I get e-mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED], I'd like to have a simple way of whitelisting example.com. Currently, I have rule set up for whitelisted domains that requires me to cut-and-paste the domain from the e-mail message, and add it to the alternate filter strings lists. I'd like a simpler way to do it, one that would be about as easy as adding an e-mail address to an address book. Ideas, anyone? Mitch Wagner Technology Journalism and Consulting Resumé and clips www.mitchwagner.com Weblog www.drive-thru.org +1 (619) 461-4316 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
move and delete from server
Every once in awhile i get a single message that i want to save, yet delete from the server. I can easily save the message in another folder but how can i delete the message from the server at the same time. I do NOT want to do the same thing to all messages from this particular source and that is what is making it hard. ideas would be appreciated thanks John Madura NJ USA Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: move and delete from server
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 3:14:57 PM, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: J Every once in awhile i get a single message that i want to save, yet J delete from the server. I can easily save the message in another J folder but how can i delete the message from the server at the same J time. J I do NOT want to do the same thing to all messages from this J particular source and that is what is making it hard. Does the Dispatch function do what you need? Ctrl-F2 Shift-Ctrl-F2. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam - whitelisting domains?
Hello Mitch, Currently, I have rule set up for whitelisted domains that requires me to cut-and-paste the domain from the e-mail message, and add it to the alternate filter strings lists. I'd like a simpler way to do it, one that would be about as easy as adding an e-mail address to an address book. That is exactly what the Known Incoming filter (included by default in each account) is for. Go to Account/Sorting Office and take a look at it under Incoming filters, it's quite self explanatory. However, the Known filter looks for addresses in AB, not domains. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: move and delete from server
I am unsure of what that function does? Please enlighten me thanks john On Friday, October 25, 2002, 3:14:57 PM, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: J Every once in awhile i get a single message that i want to save, yet J delete from the server. I can easily save the message in another J folder but how can i delete the message from the server at the same J time. J I do NOT want to do the same thing to all messages from this J particular source and that is what is making it hard. Does the Dispatch function do what you need? Ctrl-F2 Shift-Ctrl-F2. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spam - whitelisting domains?
Miguel A. Urech [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Friday, October 25, 2002, 12:38:36 PM Hello Mitch, Currently, I have rule set up for whitelisted domains that requires me to cut-and-paste the domain from the e-mail message, and add it to the alternate filter strings lists. I'd like a simpler way to do it, one that would be about as easy as adding an e-mail address to an address book. That is exactly what the Known Incoming filter (included by default in each account) is for. Go to Account/Sorting Office and take a look at it under Incoming filters, it's quite self explanatory. However, the Known filter looks for addresses in AB, not domains. That's precisely my point - I'm looking for a filter that does what the Known Incoming filter does, but works on domains rather than whole addresses. Right now, I've got a filter that does that, but I need to manually clipboard the domain name of the sender's e-mail address, and then paste the domain name into the filter conditions of the rule. I'm looking to find some way that I can open an e-mail, and press a button to have the sender's domain added to a whitelist. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 2:47 PM, you wrote: Any suggestion how to fix this without promoting the kids to Computer administrator? DG This is how I have my SO myself set up on XP, however, we are DG both Administrator accounts. It sounds to me like a permissions DG issue to the MAIL folder. Are you using NTFS? Maybe try altering DG the permissions for that folder so the kids' XP user accounts DG have full control rights on that folder. I just ran into another issue about the users, etc. I created a GROUP ( networking-groups. set a password, restarted TB and logged into that group. my addressbook was no more. empty. Of course I had a backup, and it was probably still there under the admin login, but this sure seems like an awful lot of trouble and problems to make 2 users happy. so how do you have TB setup for 2 users on XP??? -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
GPF
Hello fellow Bat! fans. Bat! crashed today while posting:- (Any clues?) THEBAT caused a general protection fault in module GDI.EXE at 0026:15dc. Registers: EAX=a0a0 CS=0597 EIP=15dc EFLGS=0282 EBX= SS=4637 ESP=c1a4 EBP=c1bc ECX=000a DS=458e ESI=0002 FS=3a46 EDX= ES= EDI= GS=2496 Bytes at CS:EIP: 67 8b 04 43 83 7e 1a 00 74 0e 8b 5e 18 26 03 17 Stack dump: 6bf2 05df 5a13c3ee 046f 0020 04dc458e 000a3a46 2496 c46e6bf2 05df047c -- Regards, John Phillips Sydney, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML mail spam not welcome. Using Bat! 1.61 7BE05C47 - Being used by Windows 98 4.10 Build ASony Vaio Notebook PCG-505TS Pentium 300 128 meg ram Complex problems have simple, wrong answers. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?-user logins?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 1:30 PM, you wrote: j The TB user account has nothing to do with the XP login (except insofar as the j HKCU registry key will be different for different XP logins and needs to be j addressed; you'll find conflicting info here regarding this issue as recent j threads have shown.) j An Admin account will see all accounts when starting TB. But if other accounts j are password protected, you'll still need the password to drill down into j those accounts. The other accounts - when logging in (or when starting TB with j /focusu=accountname or /focusu=accountname;p=accountpassword) ONLY show that j account that was logged into. j You set the account up as Admin or User (the latter with specific permissions) j via Options | Network Administration | Privileges. I guess I am not quite sure what the difference is between ADMINISTRATIVE and USER accounts. If I set them all to USER, I don't have any USERS defined, or is that each account that brings in mail. my current setup is 5 active ISP accounts setup- yahoo, my domain, attbi ( my ISP), hotmail, and fastmail. Now I added an ADMIN account, set the other 5 accounts to USER. how do I login NOT as admin to get mail. When I start TB it asks for a login and password. the only login I know of is ADMIN. I have not setup passwords for each of my accounts, that would be unbelievably cumbersome! -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: move and delete from server
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 3:49:25 PM, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: J Every once in awhile i get a single message that i want to save, yet J delete from the server. I can easily save the message in another J folder but how can i delete the message from the server at the same J time. J I do NOT want to do the same thing to all messages from this J particular source and that is what is making it hard. JW Does the Dispatch function do what you need? Ctrl-F2 Shift-Ctrl-F2. J I am unsure of what that function does? Please enlighten me It allows you to view message headers directly on the server, and then tag them, receive, delete, etc. Try it out! jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
Friday, October 25, 2002, 3:13:31 PM, Paul wrote: I just ran into another issue about the users, etc. I created a GROUP ( networking-groups. set a password, restarted TB and logged into that group. my addressbook was no more. empty. Of course I had a backup, and it was probably still there under the admin login, but this sure seems like an awful lot of trouble and problems to make 2 users happy. so how do you have TB setup for 2 users on XP??? I actually haven't done any TB setup for the 2 users. I have 3 user accounts on XP: Administrator (default administrator acct), d (myself), and k (my SO). All three users have administrative privileges in Windows. I installed TB as Administrator in order that TB would appear in the Start Menu for All Users. When XP is logged in as d or as k, each XP user has their own individual TB mail store, accounts, address book. As TB stores that info in HKEY_CURRENT_USER, no other user setup was necessary in TB, it's merely using the separate Windows users accounts for separate TB user accounts. I think most of the discussion in this thread has been about having multiple TB users all using the same Windows user. I know nothing about setting that up as my SO I have always used separate Windows logins. When Hans talked about permissions errors for separate TB users operating under separate Windows logins, I assume the problem is because the non-administrative Windows logins do not have sufficient permissions to write to the mail store. That is why I suggested granting those non-admin Windows users full control permission for the mail store folder. That way the users could continue to have limited rights, but have sufficient permissions on the mail store folder to write to it. -- Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Images
Bonjour, I have been using The Bat for more than one year and took for granted that TB was unable to display images which are not included as part of a multipart MIME message but only through a link to their place on the web. But I recently questionned this assumption and started to think it may be just a bad confirguration of my system. Could someone tell me if TB (1.61) is able to display linked images and, if so, how to empower this feature ? Thanks ! -- Cordialement, François mailto:fpti;transvie.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Displaying new status in account tree pane and folder summarypane
Miguel, Friday, October 25, 2002, 4:38:32 AM, you wrote: Many, many thanks for the extensive description if your creative use of filters. Miguel What do you mean many thanks! You owe me a beer! ;-) glad to. now all we need to do if find a venue in common. d/ -- Dave Crocker mailto:dhc2;dcrocker.net TribalWise http://www.tribalwise.com t +1.408.246.8253; f +1.408.850.1850 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 4:50 PM, you wrote: DG Friday, October 25, 2002, 3:13:31 PM, Paul wrote: like an awful lot of trouble and problems to make 2 users happy. so how do you have TB setup for 2 users on XP??? DG I actually haven't done any TB setup for the 2 users. I have 3 DG user accounts on XP: Administrator (default administrator acct), DG d (myself), and k (my SO). All three users have administrative DG privileges in Windows. I installed TB as Administrator in order DG that TB would appear in the Start Menu for All Users. When XP is DG logged in as d or as k, each XP user has their own individual TB DG mail store, accounts, address book. As TB stores that info in DG HKEY_CURRENT_USER, no other user setup was necessary in TB, DG it's merely using the separate Windows users accounts for DG separate TB user accounts. I don't have an admin user for XP, MY login is that. actually ALL logins have that capability, but it is weird, because everytime my SO tries something new, TPF (tiny firewall) complains, but it only complains in MY login- I installed TPF from my login. as to the TB issue, you answered my question! I don't NEED an admin login or users. all I need is to run TB from my SO's XP account and she will have her own setup. thanks! DG I think most of the discussion in this thread has been about DG having multiple TB users all using the same Windows user. correct, but I didn't understand the difference between 2 accounts in TB under win98 and TB under 2 XP accounts:) -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam - whitelisting domains?
Hello Mitch, Right now, I've got a filter that does that, but I need to manually clipboard the domain name of the sender's e-mail address, and then paste the domain name into the filter conditions of the rule. I'm looking to find some way that I can open an e-mail, and press a button to have the sender's domain added to a whitelist. OK, I understand but I can't think of any way of doing it. It's very similar to what I try to do with my Ignore filter to ignore whole threads in mailing lists based on message ID of the root message. I also wish there was a button for that. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam - whitelisting domains?
Hi Miguel, On Friday, October 25, 2002, 4:57 PM, you put forth, in part, about Spam - whitelisting domains?: M OK, I understand but I can't think of any way of doing it. It's very M similar to what I try to do with my Ignore filter to ignore whole M threads in mailing lists based on message ID of the root message. I M also wish there was a button for that. Can you do that in TB's filters with a reg ex (regular expression) on the headers based on original message ID (or part of it)? -- Best regards, Gary I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
Friday, October 25, 2002, 4:51:48 PM, Paul wrote: I don't have an admin user for XP, MY login is that. actually ALL logins have that capability, but it is weird, because everytime my SO tries something new, TPF (tiny firewall) complains, but it only complains in MY login- I installed TPF from my login. XP Home or Pro? You must be using the welcome screen and fast user switching? I had the same problem with TPF using fast user switching. It sends pop-up alerts to the user who logged in first, not necessarily the active user. -- Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters.
Hello Chris, Friday, October 25, 2002, 2:50:47 PM, you wrote: CW I've set up a nice little hot-key through PowerPro to execute what I CW require. It goes through the menus and selects the read filters aswell Oh, did you? That would sound a little tricky. And you would presume some first state for that menu box. Like it's always said 2 ticks for Read and for Replied, and none for the rest. Yet I just click now, and find it clicked the first Incoming, and the rest were unticked. CW and works it's magic. Everything is now working fine. CW Thanks everyone for their help! CW By the way, give PowerPro a go. It's a great program, powerful and free. CW Extremely light on resources for such a powerful program. But rather complicated I thought. Not so obvious like an e-mail program or a word processing program how to start off with it. -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Images
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 23:36:46 +0200 GMT (which was 23:36 local time), François PASCAL wrote: FP I have been using The Bat for more than one year and took for FP granted that TB was unable to display images which are not FP included as part of a multipart MIME message but only through a link FP to their place on the web. The Bat! does not display linked images. You can, however, open the html portion of the message in your webbrowser which should show the images. BTW: This is not a unability of tb but a feature ;) -- Gruß, Andremailto:chenoa;ananzi.co.za I hate racial discrimination most intensely and all its manifestations. I have fought all my life; I fight now, and will do so until the end of my days. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Images
Hallo François, On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:36:46 +0200GMT (25-10-02, 23:36 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: FP I have been using The Bat for more than one year and took for FP granted that TB was unable to display images which are not FP included as part of a multipart MIME message but only through a FP link to their place on the web. Well, you're right about that. FP But I recently questionned this assumption and started to think it FP may be just a bad confirguration of my system. Nope. It's considered a security issue. Besides a mail-client shouldn't be used as a browser. FP Could someone tell me if TB (1.61) is able to display linked FP images and, if so, how to empower this feature ? If you want to view images that are linked and not included, TB can't help you with showing them. However, the html-part of the message shows as an attachment. Double click on this attachment and your browser will open it. Then you'll see linked images. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: unread mail icon
KA I previously expressed an interest in learning how to configure TB! so KA the icon it shows when I have unread mail is not animated but does KA differ from that shown when I have no unread mail. Unless I've missed KA something in the replies and other information I have consulted, there KA is no way to do this. I use a little program that shows an envelope icon in the tray notif. area (screen-captured from Outlook's ;) ) and launch it with a filter that caches every incoming mail. When I double-click the icon, it makes TB show up and dissapears from the TNA. That way it behaves like Outlook, which is the way I like. The only difference with Outlook is that the icon doesn't dissapear when I read a message. It can be implemented with Read filters, but it has the inconvenience that you need to set a filter for each folder, because of a shortcoming in TB!. And I have a lot of folders, so it isn't practical for me. The program is 200kb, so if you want it, I can send it by private mail. -- Ricardo M. Reyes | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (Mar del Plata - Argentina) | Usando The Bat! 1.60c Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, 6:24 PM, you wrote: DG Friday, October 25, 2002, 4:51:48 PM, Paul wrote: I don't have an admin user for XP, MY login is that. actually ALL logins have that capability, but it is weird, because everytime my SO tries something new, TPF (tiny firewall) complains, but it only complains in MY login- I installed TPF from my login. DG XP Home or Pro? You must be using the welcome screen and fast DG user switching? I had the same problem with TPF using fast user DG switching. It sends pop-up alerts to the user who logged in DG first, not necessarily the active user. xp HOME. and you are right, we ALWAYS use the fast user switching. you say you HAD the same problem, you found a solution??? -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Multiple Bat users on one PC?-user logins?
Paul- Friday, October 25, 2002, 1:28:39 PM, you wrote: PC ADMIN. I have not setup passwords for each of my accounts, that would be PC unbelievably cumbersome! This is one of the reasons I don't use the User / Admin modes of TB. You *do* have to set these up for each account. The other reason I don't use this feature is that there's no way to do this for the Common Folders. They show up in Admin mode, but are otherwise inaccesible. -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: move and delete from server
THanks - I will - John On Friday, October 25, 2002, 3:49:25 PM, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: J Every once in awhile i get a single message that i want to save, yet J delete from the server. I can easily save the message in another J folder but how can i delete the message from the server at the same J time. J I do NOT want to do the same thing to all messages from this J particular source and that is what is making it hard. JW Does the Dispatch function do what you need? Ctrl-F2 Shift-Ctrl-F2. J I am unsure of what that function does? Please enlighten me It allows you to view message headers directly on the server, and then tag them, receive, delete, etc. Try it out! jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
Friday, October 25, 2002, 1:50:55 PM, you wrote: DG Friday, October 25, 2002, 3:13:31 PM, Paul wrote: I just ran into another issue about the users, etc. I created a GROUP ( networking-groups. set a password, restarted TB and logged into that group. my addressbook was no more. empty. Of course I had a backup, and it was probably still there under the admin login, but this sure seems like an awful lot of trouble and problems to make 2 users happy. so how do you have TB setup for 2 users on XP??? DG I actually haven't done any TB setup for the 2 users. I have 3 DG user accounts on XP: Administrator (default administrator acct), DG d (myself), and k (my SO). All three users have administrative DG privileges in Windows. I installed TB as Administrator in order DG that TB would appear in the Start Menu for All Users. When XP is DG logged in as d or as k, each XP user has their own individual TB DG mail store, accounts, address book. As TB stores that info in DG HKEY_CURRENT_USER, no other user setup was necessary in TB, DG it's merely using the separate Windows users accounts for DG separate TB user accounts. I think this throws some light on the problem I posted to the group a few days ago, in which all my mail seemingly disappeared once I happened to check my mail while logged in as a Windows admin, and then tried to look at the mail when logged in later as a Power User. The fact that separate Windows logins, as you have, causes TB to act like separate users, is probably why my PU couldn't read the mail which had been downloaded as Admin. Once I check my mail as Admin, it seems like TB considers the mail folders to be 'owned', as it were, by the Admin. No other user can work with them properly any more.(You'll recall that I was using the same mail store folder here, because I'm the only one using my computer; not separate mail folders like you and your wife have.) DG I think most of the discussion in this thread has been about DG having multiple TB users all using the same Windows user. I know DG nothing about setting that up as my SO I have always used DG separate Windows logins. When Hans talked about permissions DG errors for separate TB users operating under separate Windows DG logins, I assume the problem is because the non-administrative DG Windows logins do not have sufficient permissions to write to the DG mail store. That is why I suggested granting those non-admin DG Windows users full control permission for the mail store DG folder. That way the users could continue to have limited rights, DG but have sufficient permissions on the mail store folder to write DG to it. This suggestion actually does not work. I did try giving both my Admin and PU Windows accounts full control over the MAIL folder. It doesn't solve anything, and once I check my mail as Admin everything is screwed up. -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
digest mode problems
Hi, When I subscribe to TBUDL using the digest mode, the message shows up in the preview pane as a group of single messages, not as one combined message like digests usually do. To view the messages I had to click on one of them, which opened up a separate window showing the individual messages (like a normal folder). I have to switch between individual messages manually then, which is an inconvenience I could do without. Could someone tell me if there is a better way to read a digest as ONE message? I appreciate TB's power, but having to do special workarounds for *every* little thing, such as reading a digest message properly, is getting on my nerves. Thanks, -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: digest mode problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, October 26, 2002, Vishal Nakra wrote... When I subscribe to TBUDL using the digest mode, the message shows up in the preview pane as a group of single messages, not as one combined message like digests usually do. To view the messages I had to click on one of them, which opened up a separate window showing the individual messages (like a normal folder). I have to switch between individual messages manually then, which is an inconvenience I could do without. Could someone tell me if there is a better way to read a digest as ONE message? I appreciate TB's power, but having to do special workarounds for *every* little thing, such as reading a digest message properly, is getting on my nerves. Actually this isn't TBs problem at all, and is in fact not a problem with the list either. It is just the method the list server uses to send out the digest. It uses what is known as a MIME digest in which each email is attached to a single email and mailed out. This means that you get one email with attachments. I am not sure, you might need to go to the list user page (see list footer right at the bottom of this email for details) you may be able to turn MIME digest off, but not entirely sure. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPboNbyuD6BT4/R9zEQJviACfSCNMs26V/Oqi0BV/cQ2YUPslZ5sAn0zv D19GGPV2nSC3LuATTqLrNJSw =pByg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: digest mode problems
Hello Vishal On Saturday, October 26, 2002, you wrote Hi, I appreciate TB's power, but having to do special workarounds for *every* little thing, such as reading a digest message properly, is getting on my nerves. Actually, I like the digest when presented the way mentioned, it permits an individual post being copied out to the folder and the digest trashed. However, if you want to read the digest as a continuous document, simply use Specials/View Source. If you want to keep a post or portions of a post, you would have to copy and paste to another document. Elaine Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: digest mode problems
Thanks, that does sound like what the problem is. I'll try out the suggestion about viewing the source that Elaine mentioned (thanks Elaine!) and see if that works better. -Vishal Friday, October 25, 2002, 8:35:05 PM, you wrote: JA -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- JA Hash: SHA1 JA On Saturday, October 26, 2002, Vishal Nakra wrote... When I subscribe to TBUDL using the digest mode, the message shows up in the preview pane as a group of single messages, not as one combined message like digests usually do. To view the messages I had to click on one of them, which opened up a separate window showing the individual messages (like a normal folder). I have to switch between individual messages manually then, which is an inconvenience I could do without. Could someone tell me if there is a better way to read a digest as ONE message? I appreciate TB's power, but having to do special workarounds for *every* little thing, such as reading a digest message properly, is getting on my nerves. JA Actually this isn't TBs problem at all, and is in fact not a problem JA with the list either. It is just the method the list server uses to JA send out the digest. It uses what is known as a MIME digest in which JA each email is attached to a single email and mailed out. This means JA that you get one email with attachments. I am not sure, you might need JA to go to the list user page (see list footer right at the bottom of JA this email for details) you may be able to turn MIME digest off, but JA not entirely sure. JA - -- JA Jonathan Angliss JA ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) JA -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- JA Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 JA iQA/AwUBPboNbyuD6BT4/R9zEQJviACfSCNMs26V/Oqi0BV/cQ2YUPslZ5sAn0zv JA D19GGPV2nSC3LuATTqLrNJSw JA =pByg JA -END PGP SIGNATURE- JA JA Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: JA http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: digest mode problems
Thanks! that should fix it. However, I feel that if you really want the convenience of replying to individual emails, why subscribe to the digest at all? Viewing it this way just makes you click a few more times and presents the same effect as not subscribing to the digest at all. -Vishal Friday, October 25, 2002, 8:42:19 PM, you wrote: E Hello Vishal E On Saturday, October 26, 2002, you wrote Hi, I appreciate TB's power, but having to do special workarounds for *every* little thing, such as reading a digest message properly, is getting on my nerves. E Actually, I like the digest when presented the way mentioned, it E permits an individual post being copied out to the folder and the E digest trashed. E However, if you want to read the digest as a continuous E document, simply use Specials/View Source. If you want to keep E a post or portions of a post, you would have to copy and paste to E another document. E Elaine E E Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: E http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: digest mode problems
Hello Vishal On Saturday, October 26, 2002, you wrote Thanks! that should fix it. However, I feel that if you really want the convenience of replying to individual emails, why subscribe to the digest at all? Viewing it this way just makes you click a few more times and presents the same effect as not subscribing to the digest at all. Actually, I rarely reply to digests, usually am only interested in the information that *might* be (but isn't always) there. Thus, I watch for specific posters and check their posts, and occasionally save a few posts to the folder. The digest is then trashed. For my active lists, I prefer list mail to digest format so I can read in *real* time. I don't have the patience to wait for a digest to be accumulated and distributed grin. Elaine Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
