Re: OT: How good is Panda Antivirus??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jason, On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, at 08:15:34 [GMT +0800] (which was 10/11/2002 (D/M/Y) 1:15 where I live) you wrote: J anyone of u here using it?? I am no IT expert, but can tell you that my company (800 employees) switched from McAfee to Panda. AFAIK our experts are pleased. - -- Best regards, Joan Josep -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt - build 08 Comment: KeyID: 0xF6A61F93 iQA/AwUBPc4OEd7hKWb2ph+TEQIhZACfS+Dx7X3Yfcrm5twVq4/j8qzbHxMAnRll 8N8CfHef74kKhQGEbvkJj/kj =eFP0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
AVG Plugin - where?
Hi folks, I did the done thing and checked the FAQ and the archive, but for the life of me I cannot find (or perhaps identify) this plugin. I found the ritlabs ftp site but nothing jumps out at me with the letters AVG. I also found a URL in an old post, but it is no longer present. Can somebody please help me out? Thanks. -- Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Regards, Allister. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG Plugin - where?
Hello Allister On Sunday, November 10, 2002, you wrote Hi folks, I did the done thing and checked the FAQ and the archive, but for the life of me I cannot find (or perhaps identify) this plugin. I found the ritlabs ftp site but nothing jumps out at me with the letters AVG. I also found a URL in an old post, but it is no longer present. On August 30, AVG provided me with this information. Dear Sir/Madam, In this moment, supported clients are: MS Exchange client MS Outlook 97 MS Outlook 98 MS Outlook 2000 MS Outlook 2002 (XP) MS Outlook Express 5 Qualcomm Eudora (32bit) The Bat! 1.6+ Please, read more about the AVG for The Bat! here: http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_avgbat.htm Elaine Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Address book anomolies
I have a very simple address book for one user - me. I call it Mine with 10 groups in it. I have a few addresses that are not grouped at all but, what I can't fathom out is, why don't *all* the addresses show when I close and just select the main Mine? Some of the addresses from the groups show there but I cannot understand why only these few (the same ones each time) do. I originally copied my addresses from Ameol so they all started in the main Mine group. There is the odd occasion when I want to be able to run through all my addresses, sorting by handle, but can't now because I can't see the full list. All the addresses show perfectly under their respective groups so they are all visible at some point. Is this a WAD situation or can someone throw a bit of light on my small problem? -- Best regards, Richard I drink to make other people interesting The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 2 and Opera. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book anomolies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Richard, 10-Nov-2002, 10:33 Richard Wakeford [RW] in mid:12538671747.20021110103349;cix.co.uk said: RW Some of the addresses from the groups show there but I cannot RW understand why only these few (the same ones each time) do. It's in the Group properties. Each group has a Hide items if net explicitly selected property. If checked then members exclusively in that (or similarly affected groups) don't appear at the AB root. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9zjhGOeQkq5KdzaARAmvSAJ0QD+nbKcuH7KTb29+4XXQgtsJn3gCgxKtE yV62dihrbnZkzRuFkjc/MJs= =QTVQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book anomolies
Hello tbudl, Sun, 10 Nov 2002 at 10:33:49[GMT +](10:33 where I live) you wrote in mid:12538671747.20021110103349;cix.co.uk : RW I have a very simple address book for one user - me. I call it RW Mine with 10 groups in it. I have a few addresses that are not RW grouped at all but, what I can't fathom out is, why don't *all* RW the addresses show when I close and just select the main Mine? RW Some of the addresses from the groups show there but I cannot RW understand why only these few (the same ones each time) do. Well, I've just found I can answer my own question. Why is it you often see the answer just after you ask?! If anyone else has the same problem make sure that, in each group, you have Hide items if not explicitly selected un ticked. It is in the help file but I missed that too - sorry :-( -- Best regards, Richard Love is grand. Divorce is twenty grand. The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 2 and Opera. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book anomolies
Hallo Richard, On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:33:49 +GMT (10-11-02, 11:33 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: RW what I can't fathom out is, why don't *all* the addresses show RW when I close and just select the main Mine? That's because some your groups have the option 'Hide items if not explicitly selected' enabled. This causes the entries within that group to invisible when you view all addresses. It's a default enabled option when you create a new group. That means that you probably didn't enable it on purpose. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book anomolies
Hello Marck, Sun, 10 Nov 2002 at 10:43:17[GMT +](10:43 where I live) you wrote in mid:64516562.20021110104317;silverstones.com : MDP It's in the Group properties. Each group has a Hide items if net MDP explicitly selected property. If checked then members MDP exclusively in that (or similarly affected groups) don't appear MDP at the AB root. Although I still don't understand why some of those addresses in the Hidden groups still showed in the Mine main group whilst others did not. That's what prompted the question in the first place - strange. -- Best regards, Richard Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 2 and Opera. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book anomolies
Hello Roelof, Sun, 10 Nov 2002 at 11:59:56[GMT +0100](10:59 where I live) you wrote in mid:156114082333.20021110115956;krakeel.org : RO It's a default enabled option when you create a new group. That RO means that you probably didn't enable it on purpose. ;-) Correct :-) -- Best regards, Richard Better to ask twice than to lose your way once. -- Danish Proverb The Bat! 1.62/Beta6 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 2 and Opera. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delete filter bug?
ON Sunday, November 10, 2002, 3:53:20 AM, you wrote: L Although i'm still puzzled because you say that it is a purchase L request, if it is not I will flag it. On the other hand you say that L the second filter trigger if words in the text that indicate product L that I sell. If that is the case AND it is a purchase request (not L flagged). So, if it's not a purchase request it must be flagged L (first filter) but the second filter you say a request (not L flagged?). Sorry if it takes so much time but i'm curious myself to L see if the filters will work or not :-) Hi Luc, I use it for business hence the Purchase request. - If it is NOT a purchase request, flag it - If it has something I sell in the body and is NOT flagged (its a purchase request and I like selling tings) then - Copy to other folder and mark original read (I do not want to check it twice) I have use your filters which are accurate for the above except for the mark read bit, which I changed and the work as expected. I don't have a clue why this one works and mine don't. I have them working on the same account. I will try and fiddle a bit more with them. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Golfers must learn to love the challenge when they hit a ball into the rough, trees, or sand. The alternatives--anger, fear, whining, and cheating--do no good. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to efficiently fight against spam with the bat!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Claude, On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:10:06 +0100 your time, you authored this: CR Could someone tell me what antispam software (or solution) which CR workvery well with the bat!, a solution to fight against spam and CR attachment with viruses. I use a program called Mailwasher. It sits between my mailserver and TB! OT has custom filtering capabilites, blacklists, friends lists, etc. and plenty of really useful features. http://www.mailwasher.net/ I'd like to see the Mailwasher functionality built into Mail Dispatcher. Mailwasher is like Mail Dispatcher on steroids :) (by the way it is free) - -- Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPc5RAMtub/5cfolmEQIOEQCgpazf9v7nHdTY/EV65lGueuElVY0An3u5 y+nexzQsnbpgwdoijAXFjfT1 =cOMA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG plug in after re-installing?
On Sunday, November 10, 2002, 12:04 AM, you wrote: SJ Klez. The moral here is not to expect software to take care of SJ everything. Stay current with antiviral news and help out a little. oh, no problem there, I read all sorts of newsletters, langalist, tourbus, tbot, tbudl... and I have ALWAYS stayed current with virus updates, always. SJ I like the plug-in mainly because my wife is Canadian and they seem to SJ be having a bad breakout of Klez up there right now. 90% of the SJ viruses I receive here are from a Canadian address. The Plug-in just SJ relieves me of the task of manually deleting them one at a time. They SJ go to quarantine and I highlight them all for a mass delete. Just a SJ time saver. I do like to keep tabs on how many are still showing up SJ so I don't have them automatically deleted. a side note ( Allie??) I have Mercury setup as my mail POP SMTP server. I have TB set to remove files after deleting from trash. I THOUGHT I had removed 2 virus emails from quarantine, but when I did a system scan ( online command-on-demand) it found 2 infected files ( and the eicar:) in my c:\mercury\mail folder, dated 10 days ago. NOW, if I had removed those emails from quarantine, don't they go to trash? If so, how did mercury keep them? They were harmless ( I think) anyway, because I only use TB for mail. Like you said, I pretty much know when a virus is sent, but it scares me when my close friends send me attachments, because most of them are virus-clueless, and they send those chain letters out constantly, and hoax virus warnings, without checking SNOPES.com . -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: AVG plug in after re-installing?
Paul, PC Like you said, I pretty much know when a virus is sent, but it PC scares me when my close friends send me attachments, because most of PC them are virus-clueless, and they send those chain letters out PC constantly, and hoax virus warnings, without checking SNOPES.com . I've found it to be a very long and tedious process to train my friends to check out those hoaxes instead of just flipping out and sending it off to their entire address book. It's worth it in the end. ;) Sophos is a good site for that as well as the Snopes you mention. I think we're getting a bit off topic...or at least I seem to be. -- Scott Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to efficiently fight against spam with the bat!
Sunday, November 10, 2002, 2:25:35 AM, Mitch wrote: It's not just for filtering spam - you can filter your e-mail on ANYTHING. I've been playing with it a couple of hours, and I've got it set up to take over all my e-mail filtering. Seems to be working out pretty well - it already knows where to put my mailing list mail and this is after filtering a mere 14 messages. Pretty impressive. ... I'm really very impressed with POPinfo. This is what sounds so great about it, the ability to recognise many different things about email that static filters just can't . The only problem with using it as a perl script, is that once you've set it up initially it then runs using just that batch of emails as a base. What it really needs is to be integrated into the mail client, that way when it misses something, or gets it wrong, you can tell it to correct it's database when you move the email to the correct folder. I think MSN 8 uses this, but perhaps only for spam. What I'm sure everyone wants is for this to be included in the bat. I get the impression that the code isn't actually that difficult to implement, and it could use the existing user's folders to start off it's words database. Is there a request feature thing somewhere where we can ask ritlabs for this? -- Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! 1.62/Beta5 on XP Pro Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: AVG plug in after re-installing?
Hello rick, On or about Saturday, November 9, 2002, 6:26:04 AM, in a galaxy far, far away, rick wrote: r I would recommend you to use Nod32. It has the best results of any r product tested at virus bulletin. I use Nod32 in conjunction with r TheBat! and I have never had one virus problem. I run The Bat! e-mail client so that I don't HAVE to run ANY anti-virus BS. Any anti-virus steals 12-20% of system resources and slows down system performance. I know ALL avenues of virus propagation, and simply delete them on sight. I can't understand all this anal-retentiveness about stopping a virus from getting into a mailbox that is IMMUNE to same! I also have any known means of contamination via a browser disabled as well. UNFORTUNATELY my ISP now has STRONG anti-virus e-mail protection, and I have not received ANYTHING viral in the last 3 months! I have had to establish a second external account just so that I can continue to RECEIVE them to do research on virus matters! In conclusion and _IMHO_, anyone running e-mail virus scanning on Bat! mail is severely paranoid. Either that, or they are uninformed as to what virus-capable extensions are, in which case they then may need it as a crutch. Otherwise, why bother? TB! will give you more than adequate warning if you even attempt to do something dangerous. If you ignore the warnings, you deserve what you get ;-) To me, it's like booby-trapping an H-bomb with another H-bomb! /soapbox -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike -- Get a PERMANENT 100MB capacity mailbox for ONLY $29.95/year. No more lost mail due to mailbox capacity restrictions. Access by POP3 or Webmail! Earn a FREE mailbox with their referral program. (HINT - You get $11.00 towards your mailbox for each referral who signs up!) Apply NOW at http://1110.runbox.com -- Running The Bat! V1.60h on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
(no subject)
Hello tbudl, Can anyone imagine whether the fields in the filter add section accept wild cards? In the topic section I often get merged entries such as [news group name]user added comment. IN addition to the specialscreate filter being in a rather awkward obscure location - It would be nice if we could have a desktop icon for this often used function - or at the very least access through the 1ST menu off the right click. -- Mike Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
message box text
After re-installing Bat 1.6 the message box still is a problem. Nothing but the first character appears on the screen when I type a message. Any further suggestions on how to work around this problem? Michael Berger = Please reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delete filter bug?
Good afternoon Gerard, It was foretold that on 10-11-2002 13:21:54 GMT+0100 (which was 13:21:54 where I live) Gerard would mumble: snipped a bit G I have use your filters which are accurate for the above except for the G mark read bit, which I changed and the work as expected. I'm glad they worked. About the read bit: have you tried enable the mark as read in the second filter: it will mark it as read and copy the message. Although it probably will mark both( original and copy as read) i'm afraid. -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.62/Beta6 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. There is nothing more exhilarating than to be shot at without result. - Winston Churchill (1874-1965) - British Prime Minister, writer Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering (was: no subject)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mike, 10-Nov-2002, 09:38 -0700 (16:38 UK time) Mike [M] in mid:1581227281.20021110093803;telusplanet.net said: M Can anyone imagine whether the fields in the filter add section M accept wild cards? The string is always matched as if it had wildcard specifiers, i.e. Does the match field *contain* the given string. Refer to the Help file in the Sorting Office topic for information about special characters to make it *not* do that g. M IN addition to the specialscreate filter being in a rather M awkward obscure location - It would be nice if we could have a M desktop icon for this often used function - or at the very least M access through the 1ST menu off the right click. It does have a hotkey - Ctrl-Shift-F, which you can redefine if you find that too cumbersome. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9zpAROeQkq5KdzaARAvMnAKDJcaS0Q0s6ZKy/qRU8nTAM1JTk8ACfbbZW XzZtahaRVXJa/LwNMGcCzws= =oGPf -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
(no subject)
Hello tbudl, hI folks, OK I read all the stuff about PGP installed it etc. Figured out how to manually attach signatures etc. Now I'm trying to automate. I tried exporting my key, and importing it into my vcard, but it says it's of the wrong file type. When I try and send a message it says I don't have an openPGP private key, but I do - In PGP.. I can still cut and paste my key into the message, but I suspect there's an easier way. Thanks in advance. -- Mike Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (no subject)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In mid:1932793500.20021110100409;telusplanet.net, Mike [M] wrote:' M When I try and send a message it says I don't have an openPGP M private key, but I do - In PGP.. M I can still cut and paste my key into the message, but I suspect M there's an easier way. Thanks in advance. Now that you have PGP installed, I think you may need to read this page I put together. You seem to be interested in plugin functionality and this is what this site tries to cover: http://www.landscreek.net/gpg_pgp_tb.html - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta7 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.65 iD8DBQE9zpLPV8nrYCsHF+IRAh3pAJ4wZNrGQzuOmfgIXI9arLGrr6JiuQCeNDOO pCmg3AzoZKwDdRqonPoRQck= =gL42 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signing (was: no subject)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mike, 10-Nov-2002, 10:04 -0700 (17:04 UK time) Mike [M] in mid:1932793500.20021110100409;telusplanet.net said: M OK I read all the stuff about PGP installed it etc. Which version have you installed? M Figured out how to manually attach signatures etc. If you're using a supported version with a plug-in (6.5.8ckt or GnuPG for instance) then you don't have to manually attach a signature. Just configure TB to use the correct version in Tools | OpenPGP | Choose OpenPGP version. Otherwise, you should use the tooltray utility that comes with whichever version of PGP you are usin. M Now I'm trying to automate. I tried exporting my key, and M importing it into my vcard, but it says it's of the wrong file M type. It is. vCards hold S/MIME keys, not PGP keys. M When I try and send a message it says I don't have an openPGP M private key, but I do - In PGP.. ... but have you designated it as default in your PGP options? Does the key contain the same email address as that you are using in your From field? These are important factors. M I can still cut and paste my key into the message, but I suspect M there's an easier way. Thanks in advance. Your key is not needed there. You only need to do that when sending someone your key. You don't need to do that to PGP sign a message. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9zpMxOeQkq5KdzaARAidmAKCIQdtWNRY1D02War2KlmzFRocOmQCdF9xq z8lhTl9Fc5jTVxd+/caG54w= =Q5e0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to efficiently fight against spam with the bat!
Hello Claude, Saturday, November 9, 2002, 8:10:06 PM, you wrote: CR Hi, CR Could someone tell me what antispam software (or solution) which CR workvery well with the bat!, a solution to fight against spam and CR attachment with viruses. For me, the only *effective* anti-spam and anti-virus program ( which works no matter which e-mail client you use ) is that running between a users' ears !!! I.E. Watch what you are downloading ( using the inbuilt Mail Dispatcher in TB! is for me an essential part of e-mail security ) and apply a little common sense offers too good to miss can want to offer you more than you bargained for ( viruses ) and those funny files can have the last laugh on you !! Not to say I don't get joke e-mails and such ... it's just that I prefer to get mine from more trustworthy sources than somebody who can't even string a proper sentence together lol Having an up to date Virus Definition and Firewall is only part of the story ... the initial responsibility is on *you* -- Best regards, Barry2 Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG plug in after re-installing?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In mid:187358835327.20021110112452;candw.ky, Spike [S] wrote:' S I run The Bat! e-mail client so that I don't HAVE to run ANY S anti-virus BS. Any anti-virus steals 12-20% of system resources S and slows down system performance. I know ALL avenues of virus S propagation, and simply delete them on sight. I can't understand S all this anal-retentiveness about stopping a virus from getting S into a mailbox that is IMMUNE to same! I also have any known S means of contamination via a browser disabled as well. Well, this opinion sounds like what Simon may have thought I had during our exchange in the past. Actually, it's not in large part. The only part I agree with is the appreciation that TB! does offer protection in its own way and this offers advantages that using other clients will not. For a user type as yourself, who runs TB! and a) is able to disable browser functionality the way you do without it hampering your being able to get at information on web pages or working with websites that you may need to, b) is in full control of your machine and don't really have anyone else using it, c) has knowledge of all dangerous filetypes or can easily spot a suspicious file, an A-V solution may seem superfluous. Surely you must realize that you're special in this regard and that we can't consider AV Software to be foolishness. Not many have and use their computers in the restricted way that you do. S In conclusion and _IMHO_, anyone running e-mail virus scanning on S Bat! mail is severely paranoid. Either that, or they are S uninformed as to what virus-capable extensions are, in which case S they then may need it as a crutch. This couldn't be further from the truth. BTW, e-mail is only one source of compromising your machine through viruses. Though it's admittedly the main one, it's not by any means, the only one. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta7 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.65 iD8DBQE9zpd5V8nrYCsHF+IRAqJNAKDAI9tt4IH681IMzAehVOzPTx4GmACgk82Z 16F8z7K2tfMDapammMP48uk= =25ax -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to efficiently fight against spam with the bat!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In mid:102144798357.20021110172144;freeuk.com, Barry2 [B] wrote:' B I.E. Watch what you are downloading ( using the inbuilt Mail B Dispatcher in TB! is for me an essential part of e-mail security B ) and apply a little common sense offers too good to miss B can want to offer you more than you bargained for ( viruses ) and B those funny files can have the last laugh on you !! This sounds tedious. What's the difference between deleting them with the dispatcher and deleting them from your mailbox. Most spam mail aren't that big. The time you spend downloading headers and examining them is probably more than the time just downloading them and then going off-line. You can then delete them at your leisure. Why not do the following. Filter all known mail to specific folders. Filter all unknown mail to a spam folder. This will comprise a single filter that goes below all the others. It is to move all messages to the spam folder. Switch the sound off for this folder as well. Browse the spam folder at leisure. You can more easily delete, examine etc. When well developed, you'll have less and less legitimate mail reaching the folder so that you can examine it only once a day. A setup like this requires much less maintenance and is less intrusive and tedious, IMO. Far better than having to examine your mail with the dispatcher every time there's mail to download. The worst thing about spam is not that they hit your inbox. It's that you have to look at them among your other mail on a repeated basis, or that you're being alerted as equally about their presence as you would be about legitimate mail. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta7 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.65 iD8DBQE9zpolV8nrYCsHF+IRAg/XAKDNBkxcefwdwTzjinnH6upbTFVomgCePU9E 2V3C+o2pubPdv3RpqcydEMA= =vlpD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: AVG plug in after re-installing?
Sunday, November 10, 2002, 4:24:52 PM, Spike wrote in message mid:187358835327.20021110112452;candw.ky S I run The Bat! e-mail client so that I don't HAVE to run ANY S anti-virus BS. Er that's OK insofar as TB! and e-mail goes Spike, but to say that an AV is unnecessary because one runs TB! is overlooking the fact that virus can be introduced to a system in other ways as well - e.g. via floppy disks, CD-Rom etc, and via downloaded software - so unless you don't introduce any other software to your system it's always at risk of infection - even with the security settings in the browser set to optimum. -- Cheers, Anne Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A The Bat Email - Unofficial Support Forum: http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG plug in after re-installing?
Hello there, Saturday, November 9, 2002, 4:04:53 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP ... AV software spotting a viral infection in a file with a MDP non-executable extension. This is not a risk to anyone - MDP professional or not. ... Before this becomes a dead horse I just wanted to make a side note, since there is always an exception to the rule. Some days ago, someone brought me a supposedly infected laptop. I first scanned all executable files (.exe, .bat etc) and indeed found the bugbear virus. Then I scanned all files, and discovered that bugbear had also infected the system's cpy files which are files used from the system recovery tool for recovery purposes. If an unknowledgeable user had restored a system configuration using the infected cpy files, the laptop would get infected once again. All this means that infected files, even if not executable, can be a potential danger in some cases. Maybe not for you, me, or anybody else in this list, but surely for an unknowledgeable user. Just for the story, I had to disable system recovery in order to be able to delete the files... -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows 2000 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: how to efficiently fight against spam with the bat!
Adam Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sunday, November 10, 2002, 7:32:08 AM Sunday, November 10, 2002, 2:25:35 AM, Mitch wrote: It's not just for filtering spam - you can filter your e-mail on ANYTHING. I've been playing with it a couple of hours, and I've got it set up to take over all my e-mail filtering. Seems to be working out pretty well - it already knows where to put my mailing list mail and this is after filtering a mere 14 messages. Pretty impressive. ... I'm really very impressed with POPinfo. This is what sounds so great about it, the ability to recognise many different things about email that static filters just can't . The only problem with using it as a perl script, is that once you've set it up initially it then runs using just that batch of emails as a base. What it really needs is to be integrated into the mail client, that way when it misses something, or gets it wrong, you can tell it to correct it's database when you move the email to the correct folder. The documentation is unclear on this point, but you CAN train it on incoming e-mails. You go to a page marked history on the configuration page, where you see a list of all the e-mails you've received recently, along with a pull-down of which bucket they were classified into. If you change the bucket in the pull-down, you can train the software to recognize the correct bucket. Mitch Wagner Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Wild Cards in filters (was: no subject))
Hello Mike, On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:38:03 -0700 GMT (10/11/02, 23:38 +0700 GMT), Mike wrote: Can anyone imagine whether the fields in the filter add section accept wild cards? You can use wild cards if you enable Regular Expressions in the Advanced tab of the sorting Office. IN addition to the specialscreate filter being in a rather awkward obscure location - It would be nice if we could have a desktop icon for this often used function - or at the very least access through the 1ST menu off the right click. When I use the Specials / Create Filter option, I always hit the Edit button, too. This is for me easier than having a desktop icon anyway. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. All generalizations are false. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: message box text
Hello Michael, On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:41:36 -0800 (PST) GMT (10/11/02, 23:41 +0700 GMT), Michael Berger wrote: After re-installing Bat 1.6 the message box still is a problem. Nothing but the first character appears on the screen when I type a message. You mean in the editor? You cannot compose messages that are longer than one character? Any further suggestions on how to work around this problem? I have never heard this, but I am interested in finding out what the problem might be. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Remember in prayer the many who are sick of our church and community. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
No answers Re: AVG plug in after re-installing?
Hello all, Before this becomes a dead horse... I would like to ask if nobody can answer my original question: does one have to re-activate AVG and/or its TB plug in after installing a new version of TB! over an older one? What I find on this subject in the TBUDL Archive goes for al large part over my head. I have read that TB! does not detect infected files in embedded message. Problem is: I don't know what an embedded message is. Is this a message in a digest? And is that the reason why my AVD did not detect the eicar-file? -- Regards, Ochrid _ The Bat! v1.62b7 op Windows XP _ Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: AVG plug in after re-installing?
Hello Anne, On or about Sunday, November 10, 2002, 12:49:14 PM, in a galaxy far, far away, Anne wrote: A Er that's OK insofar as TB! and e-mail goes Spike, but to say that A an AV is unnecessary because one runs TB! is overlooking the fact that A virus can be introduced to a system in other ways as well - e.g. via A floppy disks, CD-Rom etc, and via downloaded software - so unless you A don't introduce any other software to your system it's always at risk A of infection - even with the security settings in the browser set to A optimum. I have a separate condom equipped junk system that I test the rare odd floppy or CD on if necessary. It has NO MODEM, NO HDD, boots with a floppy, and uses a NAV rescue disk (borrowed from a paranoid friend). In the rare instance where I purchase software online from a less than mainstream vendor, I do the same, using a ZIP drive in the same machine. I actually use it only 3-5 times a YEAR out of necessity. I do use this system to experiment with virus material I receive, but with my ISP condomizing my mail now, I have to use a stand-alone account to receive anything to experiment with. I then install a junk HDD and let the bugger rip! Surprisingly little if any real damage occurs anyway. In other words yes, I have this down to a science. I should, as I have been building my own machines since the first PC/XT clones. I've only purchased one brand name computer in my life, and it was a total unmitigated disaster. Proprietary EVERYTHING, and 300-400% higher to upgrade than generic. $195 for a $35 power supply when needed, floppy drives with backwards (non-standard) connections.. I'll be the first to admit that I'm an unusually well informed user, but it doesn't take rocket science to protect yourself from the dearth of XXX.jpg.pif/scr or similar foolishness out there. The security fixes for the browser are easy for anyone who can read a list and check/uncheck a click-box. The specs are published on most any security site. Before I deviate totally afield (into total O/T territory) let me finish by saying that a _well-informed_ TB! user has no need for e-mail scanning. IMHO it is a needless drag on resources. I'll have no more to say on this issue, as I have no desire to be glue factory material. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike -- Get a PERMANENT 100MB capacity mailbox for ONLY $29.95/year. No more lost mail due to mailbox capacity restrictions. Access by POP3 or Webmail! Earn a FREE mailbox with their referral program. (HINT - You get $11.00 towards your mailbox for each referral who signs up!) Apply NOW at http://1110.runbox.com -- Running The Bat! V1.60h on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Connection Centre
Is there a way to make the connection centre window never appear. In Outlook for example there is a checkbox t not show it during send/receive and OE too sends mail silently. the Bat however during every immediate send pops up the window which is a little disconcerting. Any way to make it not appear. Doesn't seem to be there in most areas I have looked. Mean. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Connection Centre
Sunday, November 10, 2002, 3:37:37 PM, Mean wrote: MD Is there a way to make the connection centre window never appear. Just go to preferences under options in the main TB! window, and change the dropdown menu next to Display Connection Centre to Hide. -- Sean Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Connection Centre
Hello Mean, On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 03:07:37 +0530 GMT (11/11/02, 04:37 +0700 GMT), Mean Drake wrote: Is there a way to make the connection centre window never appear. Options / Preferences / General. Drop-down box Display Connection Center. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. My goal is to be a meterologist. But since I possess no training in meteorology, I suppose I should try stock brokerage. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Connection Centre
Good evening Mean, It was foretold that on 10-11-2002 03:07:37 GMT+0530 (which was 22:37:37 where I live) Mean Drake would mumble: snipped a bit MD Is there a way to make the connection centre window never appear. Preferences general: Display connection centre: hide -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.62/Beta6 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Although I cannot lay an egg, I am a very good judge of omelettes. - G. B. Shaw. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Connection Centre
Three replies in 3 minutes...and to think that was where I hid the MailTickerMust be losing my eyesight. LOL MD. Monday, November 11, 2002, 12:53:30 AM, you wrote: L Good evening Mean, L It was foretold that on 10-11-2002 03:07:37 GMT+0530 (which was L 22:37:37 where I live) Mean Drake would mumble: L snipped a bit MD Is there a way to make the connection centre window never appear. L Preferences general: Display connection centre: hide Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG plug in after re-installing?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Alexander, 10-Nov-2002, 20:03 +0200 (18:03 UK time) Alexander Cicovic [AC] in mid:160947502.20021110200317;gmx.net said: MDP ... AV software spotting a viral infection in a file with a MDP non-executable extension. This is not a risk to anyone - MDP professional or not. ... AC Before this becomes a dead horse It has rambled around many bends, but I don't think it's quite at full circle just yet, although it is staggering :-). AC ... If an unknowledgeable user had restored a system AC configuration using the infected cpy files, the laptop would get AC infected once again. All this means that infected files, even if AC not executable, can be a potential danger in some cases. But not in the first line of defence. These files are secondarily infected by a system *that is already infected with a virus*. At this time the AV software has previously failed and missed the infection's arrival in an *executable* form. As long as the AV software stops you getting infected, then you're not at risk. That's how I see it. When anyone sets an AV program loose on a potentially virus infected system, they pull out the plugs and make it check in all the nooks and crannies. Of course, this is rarely a job done by a novice using out of the box software. This is more often a job done by the experienced friend of the inexperienced user who thinks he may have caught a virus because the thing's gone mad on me mate... can you take a look at it? You understand these things. There's a beer in it for ya!. So, my point still stands. It's a pointless evaluation of the effectiveness of the software to ascertain whether it checks non-executables by default. To say that the AV software fails and should not even be considered is not reasonable. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9zrmtOeQkq5KdzaARAv37AJwPURvgFgNbcU8Nt/84Qy62ewjGvQCdGGeS FyR9ZI3X1RU4phHM3nVq4WA= =q3Z9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG plug in after re-installing?
Hello there, Sunday, November 10, 2002, 9:55:23 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: AC ... If an unknowledgeable user had restored a system AC configuration using the infected cpy files, the laptop would AC get infected once again. MDP At this time the AV software has previously failed and missed MDP the infection's arrival in an *executable* form. MDP As long as the AV software stops you getting infected, then you're MDP not at risk. That's how I see it. In the specific case, there was no antivirus software at all. If I hadn't cleaned the cpy files and I removed the antivirus right now, the system would get infected once again if the user used Windows recovery. Keep in mind that I am talking about unknowledgeable users, who can potentially do whatever comes to their minds, without a lot of thinking. This would effectively infect the system again by using a file which is non-executable. That is my point. MDP So, my point still stands. It's a pointless evaluation of the MDP effectiveness of the software to ascertain whether it checks MDP non-executables by default. To say that the AV software MDP fails and should not even be considered is not reasonable. I am not trying to tear your point down and got no reason to do this. Your point about the false conduction of the tests is 100% correct and I couldn't agree more on the specific subject. I only wanted to comment on the infected non-executable files are not a threat part which is just not 100% correct under some very specific circumstances. -- Best regards, Alexander Cicovic Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows 2000 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: AVG plug in after re-installing?
Hello Spike, Sunday, November 10, 2002, 1:06:42 PM, you wrote: S Hello Anne, S On or about Sunday, November 10, 2002, 12:49:14 PM, in a galaxy S far, far away, Anne wrote: snip S In other words yes, I have this down to a science. I should, as S I have been building my own machines since the first PC/XT S clones. I've only purchased one brand name computer in my life, S and it was a total unmitigated disaster. Proprietary EVERYTHING, S and 300-400% higher to upgrade than generic. $195 for a $35 S power supply when needed, floppy drives with backwards S (non-standard) connections.. snip So. Spike, if you want to move this discussion to tbot or correspond with me privately about it, I will be happy to do either. I'm about to hire my local ISP (who have given me reliable trustworthy service for 5 years) to build my dream machine for me. I think my monitor has about conked, I am tired of my win95B and my 2.99 GB hard drive, and my 32 MB RAM. I recently had to uninstall a little 1 MB clock program because it strained my system resources. And that's with 70% of the hard drive free. I know--everyone has now taught me the difference between hard drive and RAM and system resources. First off, I want it to support TBat! comfortably. I want a RW cd and a dvd and maybe the right chip and motherboard and cards and such to play movies on my computer screen. I mostly do word processing and e-mail. But I have a Kodak digital camera. And I have an HP 722C Deskjet to print out photos. And I havean HP Black-and-White Laserjet 6L printer for printing just text. And it's one big drag to swap out that 9-pin on the single serial port on this Compaq tower. Would you please be one of my consultants on what to ask the ISP to build for me? I do want generic parts, for easy fixing and replacing in future. And I want the local ISP to build it, because they will be here to make house calls and maintain it. Propritary makes--help is mostly overseas, and then one has to save the original boxes if it must be shipped back, etc., etc. Way off topic, and too long, I know. But I will greatly appreciate your reply. S I'll be the first to admit that I'm an unusually well informed ... I believe you. So let me pick your brains? I'm sending this to your personal address as well as to you on tbudl, in case you want to move the discussion off tbudl. -- Best regards, Mary Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG plug in after re-installing? (OT)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Allie, On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:29:30 -0500 your time, you authored this: ACM Well, this opinion sounds like what Simon may have thought I had during ACM our exchange in the past. Actually, it's not in large part. The only ACM part I agree with is the appreciation that TB! does offer protection in ACM its own way and this offers advantages that using other clients will ACM not It seems I may have been mistaken in my surmising. Apologies. - -- Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPc7F7Mtub/5cfolmEQLlzwCfZXQ4lKHL0Okzv3gfqQw/xaCMRL4AoPgz pXhgOoGJIvdZPtovYRx9sRWr =R4WX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG plug in after re-installing?
Hello Anne Thank you for your email dated Sunday, November 10, 2002, 2:43:25 AM, in which you wrote: A He is evaluating Nod32 at the moment, is incredibly impressed with both the speed and the A lack of hogging resources. The main reason for this is because the important bits are written in assembler. Shame it's gone out of fashion. Too difficult for today's programmers I suppose. Now, back in the sixties when I (and Marck) was a programmer... :-) -- Regards William Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to efficiently fight against spam with the bat!
Sunday, November 10, 2002, 6:07:44 PM, Mitch wrote: The documentation is unclear on this point, but you CAN train it on incoming e-mails. You go to a page marked history on the configuration page, where you see a list of all the e-mails you've received recently, along with a pull-down of which bucket they were classified into. If you change the bucket in the pull-down, you can train the software to recognize the correct bucket. That sounds good, I may well have to try it now. Why does my computer conspire to stop me doing work? -- Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! 1.62/Beta5 on XP Pro To err is human; To moo is bovine. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No answers Re: AVG plug in after re-installing?
Hallo Ochrid, On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:17:39 +0100GMT (10-11-02, 19:17 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: O I would like to ask if nobody can answer my original question: O does one have to re-activate AVG and/or its TB plug in after O installing a new version of TB! over an older one? Do you see the plug-in mentioned at: Options - Virus protection? When you see it, it's installed. O I have read that TB! does not detect infected files in embedded O message. Problem is: I don't know what an embedded message is. A message that's attached to another message. O Is this a message in a digest? Depends on the digest format. Do you receive the digest as a message with lots of messages attached? Then they're embedded. O And is that the reason why my AVD did not detect the eicar-file? Could be. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
FYI:Glyph
Hi All, Thought the following site might be of interest to you http://www.thebat.cz/ikony.htm featuring some ready made glyphs for TB. -- Regards, Anthony Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Backing up folder settings
There's an option in Tools/Backup to backup folders with messages. There does not, however, seem to be an option to backup the folder tree structure without the individual message files. Is that correct? I don't want to backup the messages, just the skeleton in case I need to restore it after a problem. -- JN Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: how to efficiently fight against spam with the bat!
To all reading this thread, ACM Why not do the following. ACM Filter all known mail to specific folders. ACM Filter all unknown mail to a spam folder. This will comprise a ACM single filter that goes below all the others. It is to move all ACM messages to the spam folder. Switch the sound off for this folder as ACM well. Ok... I can't resist chiming in. There has been alot of talk about spam recently in here and I'll offer what MY sollution to it is. I use SpamWeasel. It's a free download from http://www.mailgate.com I'm sure there are other programs that would work equally as well but this is the one I chose that met MY needs the best. This is not directed at anyone in particular. I'm just airing my opinion. Don't anyone get their hackles up. ;) A few people keep saying how wonderful it is to sort their spam to a different folder. While this is a neat feature of TB! that can be used for some things, I feel it is NOT intended to sort spam. Who really wants to look at the stuff even once? Install SpamWeasel and you can have the spam deleted before you even see it. In all fairness, I haven't completely done away with spam in my inbox. I err on the side of safety and let some through. It has 5 priority levels for filters and can take different actions for each priority. It can be a bear to get it setup to your liking, but once there it's a no brainer to use. Completely transparent to the user. In my highest priority level it ignores people in my address book and newsletters and such. Those mails just slide right on in. I gradually tighten security at each lower level till I'm deleting anything that would be 99% likely to be spam. One level in the middle adds -SPAM- to the subject line of the message and allows it through. The second lowest level sends the message to an archive which I check on a weekly basis just to be sure there are no foulups. As I said, it can be a pain to setup. I had to create a couple of filter rules myself, but I'm no rocket scientist and did it just by looking in the other rule files and following the examples there. Do a little cutting and pasting, add a couple tweaks, and you have a new rule it can sort on. I haven't done much with TB! filters but I imagine it's quite similar in many respects. I spent one evening setting SpamWeasel up on my system. I made a few errors in judgment (setting the wrong priority for a filter...) that needed to be fixed in the next few nights, but since then it has been very low maintenance. It simply works. Just add a new friend's email to it's list now and then. I do not work for nor am I being paid by Mailgate. I just like a program that does what it is advertised to do. That's why we all run an E-mail client with such a low market share isn't it? It works! steps down from soapbox I can see where it might be advantageous to keep having TB! sort your mail, but I personally would do it AFTER 80-90% of the spam has been weeded out and deleted. Just my opinion. -- Scott Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to efficiently fight against spam with the bat!
Scott Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few people keep saying how wonderful it is to sort their spam to a different folder. While this is a neat feature of TB! that can be used for some things, I feel it is NOT intended to sort spam. Who really wants to look at the stuff even once? Install SpamWeasel and you can have the spam deleted before you even see it. The download rules method I outlined in an earlier message does not just sort spam to a different folder. First, you create a whitelist of approved senders (friends, mailing lists, clients, newsletters you get regularly, family, vendors, providers, etc.). Next, you create a blacklist of known spam addresses. Finally, you treat everything else as unknown, setting a rule to query any mail not on your whitelist or blacklist. The whitelisted mail gets downloaded automatically. The blacklisted mail gets killed on the server. The unknown mail triggers a query, asking you whether to download, delete, or ignore. Each time you get a query you can update your white list or black list accordingly. In a short time the number of queries drops way down. This method requires a simple server program intervening between your email program and your providers. I recommend VPOP3. I've never liked any of the spam busting programs, since they can so easily be replaced by a simple and elegant set of rules like the above. The download rules can be expanded, too (other options are: delete silently, delete and report, download and delete, ignore). Others swear by their favorite programs, however, and that's fine. -- John De Hoog http://dehoog.org Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: how to efficiently fight against spam with the bat!
John, JDH Others swear by their favorite programs, however, and that's fine. As I said...not trying to offend. Just offering my 2 cents worth. ;) It's what works best for me and possibly some others here. -- Scott Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Cutomise replies
The Bat! offers a number of templates for replies, forwards etc. But is there any way to customise the marks used in these. Like in OE one can elect to use any character or none at all while quoting original text. Here it seems we use the initials or name or characters but cannot set it to nothing or some other character. Is it possible to customise that. Mean. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
