Re: pgp plugin?
Hello Toby! On Monday, December 16, 2002 at 6:10:52 AM you wrote: am I missing something? Concerning PGP and TB: No. The menu just changed its name some time ago. Your sig, OTOH, was a bit excessive ... Don't forget, your messages are archived on-line with access to everybody. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Die Trunkenheit vermehrt schön zwei schöne Dinge - Mut und Liebe. (Jean Paul) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP or S/MIME
Hello Scott! On Monday, December 16, 2002 at 3:15:44 AM you wrote: DH My own position is, we should all sign all our messages and even DH encrypt it. I am not the one to tell others what is important or not. I would never tell others what they have to do, but if it ever comes to this point, where everyone *must* sign and encrypt, then you won't see my smiling ASCII here any longer. I wrote should. To my understanding, this is not the intent of the powers that be so no need for anyone to correct me on this point. Besides...wouldn't encrypting messages here defeat the purpose of this list? Don't we want as many people as possible to see the wonders of The Bat! and the excellent help offered here? Why would we ever want to hide the messages from outside eyes by encrypting them? Our did not mean we on this list but everybody at all. For practical purposes mailing-list traffic shouldn't - and, BTW, couldn't easily - be encrypted. What I am not for is Using the technology here in this list day after day. Do you think I need a certificate to beleive that you are indeed Dierk? To me it actually doesn't matter who you believe I am. It's, BTW, not the purpose of PGP signing to ensure your believe of me as a person. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 If you ask the government for a permit, you admit to having no right! Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Leave on server woes.
Hi Allie, On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:29:21 -0500 Allie C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I set The Bat to leave files on the server, it will continue to download *all* the files left on the server over and over. It doesn't take long to end up with a gazillion dupes. That's likely a server configuration problem. ACK. The server is supposed to mark successfully retrieved messages as 'read'. He might do so, but this is irrelevant for TB! working the expected way. When TB! reconnects, it will then know which messages are new and not yet retrieved from which have already been retrieved. Not by any 'server mark'. The Bat! fetches a list of 'UID's (via UIDL command) at the beginning of a session. It stores the UID of every message it retrieved locally and the next time it fetches these list it compares it to it's local copy. Every UID alredy present in it's data set it ignores, every unknown UID is queued for the corresponding message to be downloaded. After successfully downlowding the mail the new UID is added to the local repository. The trouble the OP might be run into will likely be: the POP3-server does not generate the same UID for the same message every time. This is a known, but not wide spread problem which can only be fixed on server side. The Bat! can do _nothing_ about it, it's only chance to identify a message on server definitely is: the UID. Every other possibility to identify a duplicate is connected to downloading the message and do a local 'Dup check' as 'Kill duplicates' does. Hope this clears thing a little bit, albeit it is no solution to the OPs problem. I doubt there's any solution, but the administrator fixing the server :-/ -- Pit Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachement showing in a TAB?
Hallo Thomas, On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:44:39 +0700GMT (16-12-02, 4:44 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: TF OK, TB cannot change the content-type header of incoming mails. How do TF we get the tabs? What should TB do differently? I don't know. Based on the headers, TB tries to figure out what attachments to show tabbed. So it depends on the sender describing the contents. What TB's sending part is considered. It's difficult for a program to decide what files are text-based and what not. Even though I associated *.cfg and *.log with notepad, I'm perfectly aware of the fact that they don't have to be plain text. So I can't fault TB in it's behaviour. TF Now, I don't know the RFCs well enough to know what related means. TF But is it correct that TB does not show a tab? Since the RFC's only tell us what the messages have to look like during transport, they leave us (and TB) completely free on the visualization and storage part. So you can't base a bug report on any RFC. (Only when it's transport related.) Something else is a bug report because you look upon TB's behaviour as faulty. You can argue for that in this case, however it may depend on your starting point. Do you want TB only to shows tabs when you're absolutely sure it's correct or do you want TB to show as much tabs as possible? TF On the left-hand side of the message, I still see the attachment TF icons, even the correct one (IrfanView), so TB does know that TF there are attachments and what they are. TB doesn't know the attachments as what they are. TB knows their extension and what program you associated with it. I've got *.doc files that are Word-files (in one of the many versions) or plain text. However TB (and Windows) show them all with Word-icons. TF Is this a bug or not? Depends on your point of view. Can be argued both ways. I think a feature request would be more honest than a bug report, but considering your remark in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. We all make our own choices. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters for both in and out boxes
In reply to Thomas's message 'Filters for both in and out boxes' on Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:53:38 +0700 from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thomas, TF I therefore suggested repeatedly that these filter functions TF (incoming, outgoing, read, replied) should not be seperated into TF different filters, but we should be able to create only one filter TF with tickmarks apply to: incoming, outgoing, etc. mail, with TF multiple choices possible. Personally, I think you should be able to add filters to address book entries, but that is just my little wish... it might not work for other people. -- dan. e [EMAIL PROTECTED] w http://www.danhirning.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachement showing in a TAB?
ON Sunday, December 15, 2002, 7:50:47 PM, you wrote: G Files with the ext LOG or LST don't show a tabbed view. LG That's because of the content type of these attachments. Hav a look at LG the source of your message and you will see that TB! sends the .txt file LG as 'Content-Type: text/plain; name=TXT_Test.txt' but the other two LG files as 'Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=LST_Test.lst'. If you receive a file with Content-Type: text/html TB! will show the icon of the browser you have as default browser. LG TB! doesn't use Windows' file associations to determine the type of a LG file, it relies on the content-type of the attachment. That's why it LG refuses to display it, although -- considering the true content of the LG files -- it easily could. Apparently it does find the association. It finds the correct icons for a lot of attachements. That TB! doesn't know what to do with them is something else. As far as I can see it will only show tabs for TXT and JPG files, is this preprogrammed? I'm still puzzled why TB! find some associations and some not and I think that it would be a nice feature if you could tell TB! that certain extensions are plain text just as *.TXT -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On a recent survey, 80 percent of golfers admitted cheating. The other 20 percent lied. Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachement showing in a TAB?
ON Sunday, December 15, 2002, 8:44:44 PM, you wrote: SB 'Lo Gerard, SB On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:11:42 +0100 your time, you said: SB Aha, Gerard had attachments and no banner! This seems to be the very same SB thing that Miguel so cunningly spotted ;). So perhaps any message with an SB attachment sneaks into the list without being 'bannered'. Hi Simon, What do you mean by banner? Do you mean Banned by the moderator? -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Golf is a game played by human beings. Therefore, it is a game of mistakes. Successful golfers know how to respond to mistakes. Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachement showing in a TAB?
Hallo Gerard, On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:52:29 +0100GMT (15-12-02, 22:52 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: G Apparently it does find the association. It finds the correct icons G for a lot of attachements. That TB! doesn't know what to do with them is G something else. As far as I can see it will only show tabs for TXT and G JPG files, is this preprogrammed? It's header based. When left to itself TB will create headers for txt, bmp, gif, htm, jpg (maybe I forgot some, but I just tested thes) to be able to show them tabbed. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachement showing in a TAB?
Hallo Gerard, On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:44:26 +0100GMT (15-12-02, 22:44 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: G What do you mean by banner? Do you mean Banned by the moderator? The list footer under the message, that's placed there as by the list server. Due to the nature of these things the list banner is attached as an attachment when the message has certain attachments (I don't know whether it goes for all types of attachments) and it's being shown in TB as a tabbed attachment. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Leave on server woes.
Dear Peter, On 11:03 16.12.2002, you [Peter Palmreuther ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... The trouble the OP might be run into will likely be: the POP3-server does not generate the same UID for the same message every time. This is a known, but not wide spread problem which can only be fixed on server side. The Bat! can do _nothing_ about it, it's only chance to I know of at least one pop3 server that has this as a *feature*, to prevent users from using the server in an IMAP way ;) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Simon, On 21:02 14.12.2002, you [Simon Blake ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- S/MIME and PGP? :) which seems to be a very small addition in comparison. *However*, if I then add my PGP key block to the mail as well, which is the true comparison that This is the catch. You keep sending your same key over and over with each mail when using S/MIME. What's the point of it? :) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Wann wurde die Bundeswehr gegründet? Ganz klare Antwort! 4000 vor Christus, denn im alten Testament steht: Sie hüllten sich in seltsame Gewänder und irrten planlos umher :-) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar build 6.5.8ckt09 Comment: Freiheit stirbt in kleinen Stuecken... Comment: KeyID: 0x73D62D41 Comment: Fingerprint: 69C0 50A1 C96A FF3F 3F09 6E91 F9B8 B727 iQEVAwUBPf2mrgt4MvNz1i1BAQGnkAf/WegtWIUjsaQyAuz3LlHDj1/ElzlkXyWF G8NXcD/0ELnGEKUVykB8a3uj35QweA9Jy092cvAPtibYXtaXG73xEiJ6MWDSHyhE 4q1g8xIAld7xrBlDi+E7mZLbMi0uHqyrbEPYm9ysX9fgpf5Mk+FbflaYnhjB8C1E B056FPY4FnEUkJM+bgEmgZtp5le4koCqoXyBr4osu7lnKJBNPw7dKOoYNje8kpBz K0BUxIPnVfaXP/Rgf8hvGe1Rc+ufeVPKxq+pYQq/infE3DBFrZQTF4Sv6FzERGhS a6UYNxAS0knxFPQMw/3PUDg5VOXRjDArxZg0OWojTDd7iEX8mUt65Q== =1gFS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Simon, On 01:00 15.12.2002, you [Simon Blake ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... This is the direction that we are moving in: technologies are using more and more bandwidth as they are developed and increase in popularity. Web boards, newsgroup downloads, graphic intensive sites, flash animations, streaming audio and video, software updates, OS updates, desktop delivery, HTML email, S/MIME, etc. all eat bandwidth, and as we are encouraged to use them the 'system' expands I don't think this is a good way to go ;) Sure, flash is nifty, but have a look at some recent sites, you can't access the information without having the latest and greatest browser with suited plugins. Happened to e just yesterday, when I was surfing around for a Maltese cell phone card. Know what I did? I closed the browser window, and went to the competitors site, and brought there. I think these great webdesigners should not forget that it's not them who are going to spend money, but the customer. And, BTW, downloads via newsgroups is a shame. Point. NNTP has *never* been thought of to pass binary data. Yes, it is done nowadays, but look how. Having to transfer gigabytes (!) each day, just to keep them for a few hours in your spool, that's *ridiculous*. There is FTP, there is HTTP, perhaps theres DCC in IRC, but really not NNTP. And, to be honest, eMail isn't suited very well either. Just have a look what the size of an empty mail with just a 3 Mb attached file becomes! I think this goes OT, so we may move it? :) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Hardware, n.: The parts of a computer system that can be kicked. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar build 6.5.8ckt09 Comment: Freiheit stirbt in kleinen Stuecken... Comment: KeyID: 0x73D62D41 Comment: Fingerprint: 69C0 50A1 C96A FF3F 3F09 6E91 F9B8 B727 iQEVAwUBPf2ozgt4MvNz1i1BAQE7yQgApmv45NeRzQB8A2Diy07MhV48JGEL8XmM HBUmzcFZcEa4jvX0lUyg2kbwLcGuS+L6cogcbbDlZaFuUZo8pz7DwXwVt6AV2o9z yKs1A/0ZPw6i+F4L5h0aOLBIjhMcXFc4FzeOedyYEr1h8J61ct92CmdlzyNWcLfR JqIEj5tm9RmU8XwP+VODIlV34ozEZ0zrQTg0WYWqS09GI7/e6Ab6SSjFbkPT3Hp4 0frN6r1L15N9FTQ/YCj1MEwyhkMINsf9YyGlN/0V1C5ZJnYeVKVh1e5hboSprSOd 8AKoIVuA48p9+6H2KJbtX3hvqrJROmPiI5GG16HgkkxB14+ix8kYnw== =oqx5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multi user, only one allowed
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Klaas-Jan Doeven [KJD] wrote:'
KJD It is not true that in a mutli user/computer eviroment TB! has
KJD to be installed on all the computers, if you just install the
KJD program on the server only, every user can use the .exe file!
KJD Very handy actually!!
Yes, you do have a point there.
However, doesn't each machine build it's own configuration data in
the the registry?
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Re: S/MIME on ML's
Hello Carsten, Problem? No. S/MIME signature check would fail if the list server modified the message... so this is okay. Ah! Understand. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: S/MIME on ML's
Hello Marck, Correct. That's about MIME (not S/MIME) and the list server's inability to do anything with the footer but plonk it at the very end of the entire message without any regard to or sympathy for the MIME envelope. Understand, thanks. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachement showing in a TAB?
ON Monday, December 16, 2002, 12:14:25 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo Gerard, RO On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:44:26 +0100GMT (15-12-02, 22:44 +0100GMT, where RO I live), you wrote: G What do you mean by banner? Do you mean Banned by the moderator? RO The list footer under the message, that's placed there as by the list RO server. Due to the nature of these things the list banner is attached RO as an attachment when the message has certain attachments (I don't RO know whether it goes for all types of attachments) and it's being RO shown in TB as a tabbed attachment. Hi Roelof, I have seen your demonstration and I guess that must be it. I found that pictures are showed as tabs unless the belong to a HTML page. I have not checked the details yet :-) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I have a tip that can take 5 strokes off anyone's golf game. It is called an eraser. Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bayesian Filters
Hi all, I was talking with a friend about Bayesian mail filters, which apparently learn to sort one's mail by being given examples. Is anyone using such a filter with TheBat!? Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks, Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com He who will not apply new remedies must expect old evils. -- Francis Bacon Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BCC doesn't work, How to filter bounces clear the to field
Dear Victor, On 18:18 15.12.2002, you [Victor B. Gonzalez ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... I expect to get all sorts of bounces soon but would like to never see one of them. Why? Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Manche sind nur tolerant, weil sie zu bequem sind, eine eigene Meinung zu haben Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Introduction and Question
Hi All, I've been using TheBat! for quite a while now, at least a year or so. I thought I was subscribed to this list but I never got any mail, so imagined that the list was dead. Instead, my subscription must have failed somehow. Anyway, here I am again. About me: I've been programming for ages, emailing not so long but making up for it by posting to lots of mailing lists, mostly about Extreme Programming. I'm a long-time Windows user but won't use Outlook because I don't need any viruses right now. I used Eudora for a long time but was having problems with it when someone suggested TheBat! I've been a happy user ever since! I do have a question, about filters. I tried searching the archives and didn't find anything, but if it's there, feel free to send me back. I set up my filters so that I read all mail in the inbox and inbox-known. Then I use Read filters to send the mail to folders for filing. This works fine with one exception. I would like to default all mail that isn't filtered elsewhere to go to the folder named Read. I can do that with the last filter in the list, of course. That also works. HOWEVER: If the mail in question is useless or spam, I want to delete it. Pressing the Del key, with the default read filter mentioned above, doesn't send the mail to Trash, it sends it to Read. So my question is: how can I have both a default filter sending mail that has been read from Inbox to folder Read, and allowing mail that is deleted from Inbox to Trash. Thanks! Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Knowledge must come through action; you can have no test which is not fanciful, save by trial. -- Sophocles Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesian Filters
Ron, On 16-12-2002 13:08, you [R] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: R I was talking with a friend about Bayesian mail filters, which R apparently learn to sort one's mail by being given examples. Is R anyone using such a filter with TheBat!? Any advice will be R appreciated. Check the archives (see the footer of each e-mail). There has just been a thread. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 1.62 Beta/17 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 /os Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Simon blake emails
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Edvinas, @16-Dec-2002, 09:44 +0200 (07:44 UK time) Edvinas [E] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: E My The Bat! 1.62 Christmas edition doesn't show Simon Blake E emails. It seems though that averyone else does not have similar E problems. I think more would have said so if that were the case. E ... Any ideas why The Bat! can't handle those MIME signatures? It can. Perhaps you have selected MS Crypto API in S/MIME options and perhaps you don't have a suitable setting for that. Try Internal implementation or one of the alternate API settings and see if that changes things for you. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9/cObOeQkq5KdzaARAjM+AJ9i0H2PNuuCkIpujvlUEYf+bCVL1wCfS6n9 zDew7FAWPccrL/5I15AZ5o0= =5C/k -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Introduction and Question
On Monday, December 16, 2002, 13:06, Ron Jeffries wrote: HOWEVER: If the mail in question is useless or spam, I want to delete it. Pressing the Del key, with the default read filter mentioned above, doesn't send the mail to Trash, it sends it to Read. So my question is: how can I have both a default filter sending mail that has been read from Inbox to folder Read, and allowing mail that is deleted from Inbox to Trash. You can create another filter which sends the message to Trash. Mark this filter as manual and then assign a hotkey combination for it and use this hotkey instead of your ordinary way to delete messages. You might even be able to assign the delete key as hotkey for your manual filter, but that I don't know. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesian Filters
Hello Ron, I was talking with a friend about Bayesian mail filters, which apparently learn to sort one's mail by being given examples. Is anyone using such a filter with TheBat!? Any advice will be appreciated. See a thread with Subject: [SOT] The best filter for SPAM started yesterday with my [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: multi user, only one allowed
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens Allie C Martin
Verzonden: maandag 16 december 2002 12:33
Aan: Klaas-Jan Doeven on TBUDL
Onderwerp: Re: multi user, only one allowed
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Klaas-Jan Doeven [KJD] wrote:'
KJD It is not true that in a mutli user/computer eviroment TB! has
KJD to be installed on all the computers, if you just install the
KJD program on the server only, every user can use the .exe file!
KJD Very handy actually!!
Yes, you do have a point there.
However, doesn't each machine build it's own configuration data in
the the registry?
RE: Yes it does, but so what? The information here is essential hier it
stores where to find the mailbox for example.
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Re: Leave on server woes.
Hi Johannes, On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:05:34 +0100 Johannes Posel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble the OP might be run into will likely be: the POP3-server does not generate the same UID for the same message every time. This is a known, but not wide spread problem which can only be fixed on server side. The Bat! can do _nothing_ about it, it's only chance to I know of at least one pop3 server that has this as a *feature*, to prevent users from using the server in an IMAP way ;) Seems to be a great piece of software. Could you post the name, so I do know what to avoid to install accidentally? :-))) Not I'd like to switch away from my preferred software setup on a new server, but it could be interesting to know which paket gets a pinning of -1 :-) P.S.: As this is OT^2 a PM reply is appreciated :-) -- Pit Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Introduction and Question
Hello Ron, HOWEVER: If the mail in question is useless or spam, I want to delete it. Pressing the Del key, with the default read filter mentioned above, doesn't send the mail to Trash, it sends it to Read. That is quite strange. I have a filter setup similar to yours (in what regards to Read filters) and if I delete a messages it does go to Trash. I have just verified this once again. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [normal] Re: Introduction and Question
On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 8:01:01 AM, Miguel A. Urech wrote: HOWEVER: If the mail in question is useless or spam, I want to delete it. Pressing the Del key, with the default read filter mentioned above, doesn't send the mail to Trash, it sends it to Read. That is quite strange. I have a filter setup similar to yours (in what regards to Read filters) and if I delete a messages it does go to Trash. I have just verified this once again. Yes. I am sure that it used to work for me, but now it has stopped. Maybe I have to tear down all my filters and build them up again or something. That could be OK, mostly nothing interesting in in Inbox any more anyway, it all goes to Inbox - Known. Maybe if I turn a bunch of them off ... sigh/ Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com You do ill if you praise, but worse if you censure, what you do not understand. --Leonardo da Vinci Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multi user, only one allowed
Hallo Klaas-Jan, On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:37:52 +0100GMT (16-12-02, 13:37 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: Re: Installing TB only on the server. KJD RE: Yes it does, but so what? The information here is essential KJD hier it stores where to find the mailbox for example. Funny that you'd choose that example, for that's one the things that's stored in the registry and not in the program directory. It's possible that if the registry fails TB looks for the default message base path and that would be the mail directory in de program directory, but as soon as you specify something else TB stores that in the registry. BTW Would you please use something that enables us to make a difference between what you typed and what was in the message that you replied too? Even top posting is better than what you did. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
ticket system
Hello, I there some kind of plugin for message threading so I have some kind of ticket support system? I used to use AK-Mail a few years ago and apparently the developers is working on that in the next version. -- Best regards, Oliver mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm
Hello Melissa Reese, On or about Friday, December 13, 2002 at 12:24:41GMT -0800 (which was 3:24 PM in the tropics where I live) Melissa Reese scrawled; MR As I mentioned, regardless of the number of users of one MR method or the other, I still feel that OpenPGP is a more MR *reliable standard* than S/MIME. Just look at how TB! handles MR S/MIME differently than does Microsoft. It doesn't even MR matter which is correct or which is not. The fact that by MR simply switching one's preference for implementation method MR can yield the opposite verification result (valid vs. MR invalid) shows that there is *not* a standard at work MR here. Regardless of which S-Mime implementation I use, Victor's (Comodo Class 3) certificate shows as invalid. Simon's (Certum Level I) only shows valid under the internal implementation. Under the Micro$haft implementation it is 'invalid' (why should I be surprised?)! This is why I refuse to use any M$ mailer 'product' for my systems. Standards should be standards (unless you are MicroShaft)! This just doesn't work for me.. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
S/MIME
Hello Spike! On Monday, December 16, 2002 at 4:09:53 PM you wrote: This is why I refuse to use any M$ mailer 'product' for my systems. Standards should be standards (unless you are MicroShaft)! This just doesn't work for me.. Just replied to change the subject. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Only the strong survive. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: pgp plugin?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Toby Tremayne [TT] wrote:'
TT I just recently joined the list, I've been lurking for a bit. I
TT just wanted to ask - I've been reading the PGP TheBat!
TT tutorial which talks about downloading pgp and installing, plus
TT installing a TB! plugin, and using the tools | PGP menu, however
TT I just downloaded some dlls, and discovered all the pgp
TT functions were working, albeit with a tools | openPGP menu
TT instead.
TT am I missing something?
Without installing a separate PGP version or GnuPG, the menu items
will still work since you'd be then using the internal
implementation which is v2.6 . I wouldn't advise using it though
since it only supports RSA keys and many PGP users are now using
DH/DSS keys.
--
-=] Allie C Martin [=- {List Moderator}
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Re[2]: BCC doesn't work, How to filter bounces clear the to field
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Johannes, I expect to get all sorts of bounces soon but would like to never see one of them. JP Why? Repercussions of fighting spam. - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPf38il3LB35+TCg0EQLJkgCfZxKSgQUnxS8JlROXpss2n3i6GYwAn00B XlLQGCrk1p+RrcDXfpafocjx =MJSb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How do I access a MID: Link?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello tbudl, I found this link in a thread, clicked on it but opened a search window in TB! How do I see the thread? MAU See a thread with Subject: [SOT] The best filter for SPAM started MAU yesterday with my [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPf4Cz13LB35+TCg0EQJDbQCcC+ULUQSAi64Xk0vXNKH/9r5qdxoAn1oG B2d+f9bUIk2QdA1Fqzd0FUyT =a6Nf -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do I access a MID: Link?
Hi Victor, on Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:44:23 -0500GMT (16.12.02, 17:44 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : VBG I found this link in a thread, clicked on it but opened a VBG search window in TB! How do I see the thread? You'll have to point TB! to the folder where the respective message is stored. So, where did you store yesterday's TBUDL messages? :-) -- Cheers Peter The only problem with troubleshooting is that sometimes the trouble shoots back. Winamp currently playing: Anastasia - Cowboys Kisses Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] The best filter for SPAM
Hello, MAU A couple of weeks ago someone mentioned POPFile in this list and I MAU decided to give it try. I installed it, trained it for a couple of days MAU and it has been running for some 10 days with 99% accuracy, detecting MAU spam (in different languages, BTW) that had gone undetected by the sum MAU of the other schemes and with hardly any false positives. It's a MAU beauty. Does anyone have any opinions of this in comparison to SpamAssassin? I've been running a local wperl SA proxy for some months now, it works a treat and 99% of configuration has been done by someone else! The trouble is that it's really not very friendly and so I can't really recommend it to non-technical friends etc. -- Nick Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How do I access a MID: Link?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter, PM on Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:44:23 -0500GMT (16.12.02, 17:44 +0100GMT here), PM you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : VBG I found this link in a thread, clicked on it but opened a VBG search window in TB! How do I see the thread? PM You'll have to point TB! to the folder where the respective message is PM stored. So, where did you store yesterday's TBUDL messages? :-) Oh, I know exactly where it is stored but thought the link would take me to the web or something. I do not delete TBUDL mailings and have over 1000 messages in an archive. I figure good way to get my faqs answered :) How then do I point to a message like that for someone else? How do I make a reference to an old message? - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPf4IKV3LB35+TCg0EQI7KwCgm/bjcyq0Rp7+zqkGshKXTJF4QkMAoJcq f5dbIb1PDT9+uXAvAMqXWH1T =dWvq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
It's okay Re: problem: Quicksearch and spamcop filter
On 15-12-2002 at 22:22, Haico wrote: Hi, Every time I try to forward spam to Spamcop with a manual filter (**which is also listed on the FAQ page**) using the command CTRL+ALT+S the quick search bar pops up. I think it's a new feature or something.. When selecting a message, when I click on it, and hitting a key quick search pops up. :-S Hmm.. When I don't select it with the mouse it doesn't pop up.. Okay.. I think I can live with that.. A pity you can't turn it off.. But I don't have a big problem with it anymore.. It's Okay. Greetings Haico Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do I access a MID: Link?
Hi Victor, on Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:07:11 -0500GMT (16.12.02, 18:07 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : PM So, where did you store yesterday's TBUDL messages? :-) VBG Oh, I know exactly where it is stored but thought the link VBG would take me to the web or something. You may find it on the web as well, but you probably have the message with that ID on your own hard disk. VBG I do not delete TBUDL mailings and have over 1000 messages in an VBG archive. So, that's where to look. VBG I figure good way to get my faqs answered :) VBG How then do I point to a message like that for someone else? VBG How do I make a reference to an old message? First thing is, you should activate your view of the message ID by going to menu View -- Message Headers -- select Message-ID. Now the ID is displayed with every message and you can easily copy and paste it from there for reference. There are several templates in regard to this in the Silverstones FAQ, but I can send you mine if need be. :-) -- Cheers Peter I.R.S.: We've got what it takes to take what you've got! Winamp currently playing: Natalie Cole - As Time Goes By Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachement showing in a TAB?
Hello Roelof, On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:10:57 +0100 GMT (16/12/02, 17:10 +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: TF OK, TB cannot change the content-type header of incoming mails. How do TF we get the tabs? What should TB do differently? I don't know. Based on the headers, TB tries to figure out what attachments to show tabbed. So it depends on the sender describing the contents. Maybe TB should judge from the file extension rather than the header. What TB's sending part is considered. It's difficult for a program to decide what files are text-based and what not. Even though I associated *.cfg and *.log with notepad, I'm perfectly aware of the fact that they don't have to be plain text. So I can't fault TB in it's behaviour. I get the feeling that it depends on whether TB has an internal viewer for the file extension, rather than whether it is associated to an application. If TB thinks it has no viewer for .cfg files, it cannot show a tab. A suggestion would be to add file extensions to the internal viewer(s). But that doesn't explain why .jpg files don't get a tab if the header is not as expected, even though valid. TF Now, I don't know the RFCs well enough to know what related means. TF But is it correct that TB does not show a tab? Since the RFC's only tell us what the messages have to look like during transport, they leave us (and TB) completely free on the visualization and storage part. So you can't base a bug report on any RFC. (Only when it's transport related.) If the RFCs say it is OK to attach a .jpg file and have the header show octet-stream, then TB should recognise them correctly and also show a tab. IMHO. Something else is a bug report because you look upon TB's behaviour as faulty. You can argue for that in this case, however it may depend on your starting point. Do you want TB only to shows tabs when you're absolutely sure it's correct or do you want TB to show as much tabs as possible? Both. The .jpg attachment declared as octet-stream is obviously correct, so TB should show a tab. TB doesn't know the attachments as what they are. TB knows their extension and what program you associated with it. I've got *.doc files that are Word-files (in one of the many versions) or plain text. However TB (and Windows) show them all with Word-icons. Of course, it could only be based on the extension. TF Is this a bug or not? Depends on your point of view. Can be argued both ways. I think a feature request would be more honest than a bug report, but considering your remark in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. We all make our own choices. ;-) ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ticket system
Hello Oliver Antosch ! On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:07:42 + GMT your local time, which was 16.12.2002, 15:07 (GMT+0100) where I live, you (Oliver Antosch) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I there some kind of plugin for message threading so I have some kind of ticket support system? Although I'm not sure what you mean with ticket support but did you try: View, View Threads by ? -- Best regards, Gerd === Tutorial for using regular expressions with TheBat! www.regenechsen.de --- If it weren't for the last minute, nothing would ever get done. --- now playing: WDR2 :-) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: ticket system
Hello Gerd, Monday, December 16, 2002, 6:08:37 PM, you wrote: wonderful.. didn't know that.. thanks GE Although I'm not sure what you mean with ticket support but did you GE try: View, View Threads by ? -- Best regards, Olivermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How do I access a MID: Link?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter, PM So, where did you store yesterday's TBUDL messages? :-) VBG Oh, I know exactly where it is stored but thought the link VBG would take me to the web or something. PM You may find it on the web as well, but you probably have the message with PM that ID on your own hard disk. VBG I do not delete TBUDL mailings and have over 1000 messages in an VBG archive. I figure good way to get my faqs answered :) VBG How then do I point to a message like that for someone else? VBG How do I make a reference to an old message? PM First thing is, you should activate your view of the message ID by going to PM menu View -- Message Headers -- select Message-ID. Now the ID is displayed PM with every message and you can easily copy and paste it from there for PM reference. There are several templates in regard to this in the PM Silverstones FAQ, but I can send you mine if need be. :-) Thanks Peter. Is it possible to send me the template you use and also if possible the link to the Silverstones FAQ? Thank you Peter :) - -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Request My PGP Public Keys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBPf4fi13LB35+TCg0EQKeZQCeKISADMGAcJp73424MucphZxuqEQAnRk8 XePNORLo0gECExxqfcZ6v5PA =Ftvy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Replies kept in same folder as received
Another problem: When I decipher a Gnu PG message that I have already sent to someone, and which is stored in some subfolder, Bat puts the deciphered clear text in the Inbox. The clear text output from Gnu PG belongs in the same folder as the original message. I should not need a filter for that! Mark Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
new, unread and read messages?
Hallo there for the first time, my name is Heiko Kuschel. I started using The Bat on Saturday, but I have a lot of experience with mailing etc. I´ve used YAM (Amiga) for the last 5 years, and it´s quite similar to The Bat! There´s one feature I´m really missing ATM. YAM not only shows me read and unread messages, but also new messages, that means: Messages that were collected since I last started the program and that were not yet read. I´m subscribed in a lot of mailing lists where I don´t read all the mails, so it´s important so see the new ones - well, if not important, then say convenient. :-) (Yes I can order them by date, but nevertheless...) I got an idea that you can probably do this with these colour groups and some intelligent filtering. I can do the first part no prob: Set all incoming mails to the colour group new. Is there a way to define a filter that sets all messages back to normal either when starting or leaving the program? (Even better, also when I read a message?) That should do it. :-) Or maybe you have a better idea. Thanks in advance. -- Schöne Grüße Heiko Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new, unread and read messages?
Heiko, On Monday, December 16, 2002, Heiko Kuschel wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: HK I got an idea that you can probably do this with these colour groups HK and some intelligent filtering. HK I can do the first part no prob: Set all incoming mails to the colour HK group new. Is there a way to define a filter that sets all messages HK back to normal either when starting or leaving the program? (Even HK better, also when I read a message?) That should do it. :-) The first filter you create is under Incoming. Then create a new filter under Read. Under the Advanced tab, set the color group to the same one you have defined for new incoming messages. Under the Action tab, change the color group to another color or to None. -- JN Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new, unread and read messages?
Hallo Joseph N., am Montag, 16. Dezember 2002 schriebst Du: Heiko, On Monday, December 16, 2002, Heiko Kuschel wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: HK I got an idea that you can probably do this with these colour groups HK and some intelligent filtering. The first filter you create is under Incoming. Then create a new filter under Read. Under the Advanced tab, set the color group to the same one you have defined for new incoming messages. Under the Action tab, change the color group to another color or to None. Thanks, that will change it for messages that I have read. But what about unread new messages when I leave The Bat!? -- Schöne Grüße Heiko Kuschel Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do I access a MID: Link?
Hi Victor, on Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:46:48 -0500GMT (16.12.02, 19:46 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : VBG Is it possible to send me the template you use and also if possible VBG the link to the Silverstones FAQ? Thank you Peter :) The FAQ can be accessed via menu Help -- FAQ or the link at the bottom of this mail. I'll send you my template privately. :-) -- Cheers Peter Who the is General Failure and what's he doing on my computer? Winamp currently playing: Badi Assad - Rhythms Of The World Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: pgp plugin?
Hi Allie, thanks for that, I think I'll grab a full copy and set it up. cheers, Toby Tuesday, December 17, 2002, 3:13:29 AM, you wrote: ACM Without installing a separate PGP version or GnuPG, the menu items ACM will still work since you'd be then using the internal ACM implementation which is v2.6 . I wouldn't advise using it though ACM since it only supports RSA keys and many PGP users are now using ACM DH/DSS keys. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new, unread and read messages?
Hallo Heiko, On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:06:54 +0100GMT (16-12-02, 22:06 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: HK Thanks, that will change it for messages that I have read. HK But what about unread new messages when I leave The Bat!? Unread messages when you leave TB will be still unread the next time you start it. You can't assign a automatic filter to be triggered on exit. Only way around would be a manual filter that sets the colour group to none. But you'll have to remember to run it for every folder with unread messages, every time you close TB. More than a bit cumbersome, I'd say. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ticket system
Hallo Oliver, On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:07:42 +GMT (16-12-02, 15:07 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: OA Best regards, OA Oliver Probably you're not aware of the fact that this list has a webbased archive. The addresses in the headers are removed, but the message body is unchanged. You place your address in your signature, so that it can be collected by address harvesting bots. Since almost half of the messages in this list are about spam handling filters, you'd better be aware of this. To prevent is better than to cure. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
New version (10) of AVG plugin for The Bat!
Hello, Grisoft released new version of plugin. Changes in plugin are cometic, in this version was fixed installation program, because was not possible to install plugin v9, if was detected The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition. English AVG: http://files.grisoft.cz/softw/thebat/avgbat10us.exe ftp://ftp.gin.cz/pub/mswindows/the_bat/plugins/avgbat10us.exe German AVG: http://files.grisoft.cz/softw/thebat/avgbat10ge.exe ftp://ftp.gin.cz/pub/mswindows/the_bat/plugins/avgbat10ge.exe Czech AVG: http://files.grisoft.cz/softw/thebat/avgbat10cz.exe ftp://ftp.gin.cz/pub/mswindows/the_bat/plugins/avgbat10cz.exe -- and Bye, Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 AMD ThunderBird 1,2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Is this list ok?
I haven't seen any activity in a while and I am just curious. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
