Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
Hi Andy, On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, at 15:11:56 [GMT -] (which was 02:11 where I live) you wrote: OK, assuming you've not filtered out my email completely because I'm using Outlook 2000 :-), I have a question (or two). I've just found The Bat!, test-installed it (latest as of yesterday, 1.62 is it?), and it looks good, but it seems to me that a move from one email client to another will be a massive investment of my time. I moved a couple of weeks ago the mail on my pc on the office LAN from Outlook 2000 to Bat!. Have been running it at home for several years (not sure, may be a couple of years) before this. All I can say - should have done the change at the office years ago. What stopped me previously was the inability of Bat! to connect with Microsoft Post Office. Solution - scrubbed my self off the MS Post Office, now all office mail is addressed [EMAIL PROTECTED], and MDaemon on the mail server sees that this is internal mail and automatically routes it to me. (I think Mark Pearlstone had a hand in writing this piece of brilliance). Just for the far superior filtering was enough for me. However, trying to import the Outlook address book - forget it. I found it easier to update the Bat! address book from an Outlook print out. (Best e-mail move I have ever made - YMMV) -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Do ministers do more than lay people? Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
Hello Julian JBL I still use Outlook for my contacts JBL and diary (I have not got round to finding a suitable replacement that JBL will work with my Palm) What's wrong with Palm's own desktop? Needs vary, but I switched from Outllok to this and find it more effective and easier to use -- particularly the creation of lists and labels. -- Clive Taylor Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
Hello Dave, Wow! 2 years of TBing for me, and I had no idea this existed! I don't know if it was here or in TBBETA that someone said recently that it takes about 10 years to become aware of all TB capabilities. ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Should I stay or should I go...?
Hello John JP One major problem (IMO - your needs may vary) is the inability to have JP recurring tasks. You can set events to repeat at regular intervals but, I agree, there's no way to automate irregular future commitments. -- Clive Taylor Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Should I stay or should I go...?
Hello John, Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 9:07:43 AM, you wrote: JP However, trying to import the Outlook address book - forget it. I JP found it easier to update the Bat! address book from an Outlook print JP out. JP (Best e-mail move I have ever made - YMMV) You could have save yourself a lot of time using: Dawn 5.2 (build 5213) converts address books between various programs. Copyright 1996 - 2002 Boris Zakharin all rights reserved. This program is distributed free of charge. Report bugs at http://bugzilla.joshie.com/. Contact the author at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or http://www.joshie.com/projects/dawn Personally I changed from OE to The Bat (and others) in 2 steps: use Dawn to make an Ldiff file, then in The Bat! import from that Ldiff file. (Perhaps Dawn can do it directly, but I did not try that). -- Best Whishes, Mark using The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bat v2?
Hi, Does anyone know when the BAT v2 is going to be out? I've been holding back from buying the Bat so as to wait for v2. Does anyone else have problems with the auto format when do lists? When I try and do a list (see below) auto formatting ends up putting them all on the same line? Apple Orange Pear Thanks Ben Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:27:30 [GMT -0500] (11:27 AM EST here) Spike wrote: Hello fellow tbudl'ers, I have been exploring my drive for wasted file space and have discovered 324 files in; C:\WINDOWS\TEMP The files are MOSTLY '0-byte' empty files, but there are 14 that are between 21 and 45MB each, with the filenames such as batA144.tmp. What are these files and are they related to TB! or not? Can they be deleted safely? The dates on them are all within the range of time since I installed TB!, and seem to coincide with dates that I may have upgraded versions, but I'm not positive about that aspect. None are newer (creation date) than May 2002. Viewing the smaller ones in Ultra-Edit reveals they containg email addresses, subject lines and what appear to be message ID's. Comments? Suggestions? These files represent almost half a GB of space being used (wasted?). I run my mailer on a laptop so that wherever I go I have ALL my messages, and I need to free some space on the system. I found an article Deleting Temporary Files Painlessly, at HTTP://http://hardwarehell.com/bootclean.shtml that explains in detail why it's necessary to get rid of some temporary files that Windows' methods won't let you delete. To make a long story short, I've used Hardware Hell's suggestions in my autoexec.bat file. Deleting the files almost every time my system starts helps to keep my computer running efficiently. (Almost every time is because when I reboot, as I must, after using VirusScan's UPDATE button McAfee ViruScan won't update if the temporary files are deleted.) I'll be happy to email the autoexec.bat additions that work for me, to anyone who wants them. Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 95 4.0 Build a -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to add CC list in forward mails
Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:52:26 [GMT +0100] (9:52 AM EST here) Roelof Otten wrote: Hallo Biju, On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:31:31 -0800GMT (30-1-03, 23:31 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: BN what i want is BAT should automatically pick up the CC list when i BN am forwarding the mail Do you mean that you want to be able to add cc-recipients to your message? In the message editor menu: View - Check 'Carbon Copy' This will cause the cc-box to be shown every time you're editing a message. TB can't show it only when forwarding messages. An off-topic (arguably, smart-assed) question: Particularly in this computer age, doesn't cc stand for copies? Compare cc to pp, which always has stood for pages. Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 95 4.0 Build a -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to add CC list in forward mails
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Daniel, @15-Jan-2003, 09:25 -0500 (14:25 UK time) Daniel Grunberg [DG] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: DG Particularly in this computer age, doesn't cc stand for DG copies? Compare cc to pp, which always has stood for DG pages. Not in this case. CC is a term that predates computers, originally applied to type-written documents and actually means Carbon Copy (sometimes updated to Courtesy Copy). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+JXO1OeQkq5KdzaARAkVcAKDxpFYHUJvrSwHh43o1rZ3WUT9laACeNy22 CwSUOMqX0tF1m5wyWsw3b0c= =fb1i -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Issue with In-Box Filters
Thanks for the info. I used the actions tab, and set both a flag and the color group. On a test message, it did set the flag properly, but not the color. Perhaps just a problem unique to me? Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 8:07:53 AM, TF wrote: TF OK, here is the confusion. Action and Advanced are two different TF things. And I am not sure yet which of these you want to achieve. TF Actions: This is used in order to set the message to a colour group. TF Advanced: This is an additional condition, meaning the filter should TF be triggered only if the message already has the colour group. TF Pick your choice. I am not sure which one you mean, but certainly it TF doesn't make sense to set the message to a colour group if, and only TF if, it already has the colour group. ;-) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Hello Daniel, (Almost every time is because when I reboot, as I must, after using VirusScan's UPDATE button McAfee ViruScan won't update if the temporary files are deleted.) What version of viruscan are you using? I use version 6 and it doesn't need a reboot after updating. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat v2?
Hello Ben, Does anyone else have problems with the auto format when do lists? Yes, that is why I normally have Auto Format off. It can be easily toggled with Shift+Ctrl+F when needed. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Issue with In-Box Filters
ON Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 3:45:48 PM, you wrote: RHS Thanks for the info. I used the actions tab, and set both a flag and RHS the color group. On a test message, it did set the flag properly, but RHS not the color. Perhaps just a problem unique to me? Hi Richard, There is a know problem with flags. If you set a flag you can't filter on it on the same instance. For example if you have a In-Box filter that sets the flag, an other filter in the Inbox group will not see this flag as set. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Someone once told me that there is more to life than golf. I think it was my ex-wife. Using The Bat! v1.62h on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Should I stay or should I go...? (PIM's; OT)
John, On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, John Phillips wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: JP One major problem (IMO - your needs may vary) is the inability to have JP recurring tasks. I missed the earlier parts of this thread, so this reply may be totally off the mark, but I noticed the discussion about alternatives to Outlook. Anyone who is not interested in Outlook should look into IBM/Lotus Organizer. It's quite powerful despite its ease of use; it syncs flawlessly with Palms (can't vouch personally for other types of handhelds); and it imports/exports info from other programs smoothly. Recurring tasks in any standard or customized manner are no problem. There's also Time Chaos, but that's probably been mentioned. -- JN Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Hello Daniel, On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:18:18 -0500 GMT (15/01/03, 21:18 +0700 GMT), Daniel Grunberg wrote: To make a long story short, I've used Hardware Hell's suggestions in my autoexec.bat file. Deleting the files almost every time my system starts helps to keep my computer running efficiently. I thought about it earlier. Deleting the tmp files automatically when rebooting may cause problems when you install new software that needs a reboot. So I decided against it. I created a file cleanup.bat that deletes unnecessary files, so I can run it when I want to. It used to clean the tmp and temp folders and the recycled folder, but I lost that file (too lazy to type it up again and Total Commander is quite good at emptying those directories), so the new version deletes all the index.dat files. I have to reboot to DOS to make it work, because under Windows you can't delete them. Anyway, this has become OT. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. No electrons were harmed in the creation, transmission or reading of this email. However, many were excited and some may well have enjoyed the experience. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat v2?
Hello Ben, On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:06:17 + GMT (15/01/03, 20:06 +0700 GMT), Ben Keeley wrote: Does anyone know when the BAT v2 is going to be out? I've been holding back from buying the Bat so as to wait for v2. You'd better not hold your breath. Your trial period will be over before v2 is available. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Issue with In-Box Filters
Hello Richard, On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:45:48 -0500 GMT (15/01/03, 21:45 +0700 GMT), Richard H. Stoddard wrote: Thanks for the info. I used the actions tab, and set both a flag and the color group. On a test message, it did set the flag properly, but not the color. Perhaps just a problem unique to me? This is confusing. Did the same filter also use the colour group under the Advanced tab? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
invalid HTML
miércoles, 15 de enero de 2003 12:53:32 pm Invalid HTML ! Please forward this message to developers. Thanks. EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0040501B in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 017D8000 - Error continues to generate on Bat 1.62 and 1.62e on windows 2000 Pro Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bat v2?
Hi, Is there a specific reason the bat behaves like this as appose to other email clients? Thanks Ben Hello Ben, Does anyone else have problems with the auto format when do lists? Yes, that is why I normally have Auto Format off. It can be easily toggled with Shift+Ctrl+F when needed. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: invalid HTML
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Invalid HTML ! Please forward this message to developers. Thanks. EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0040501B in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 017D8000 - Error continues to generate on Bat 1.62 and 1.62e on windows 2000 Pro 1.62e was not officially released, it has Beta status. I am cooperated with developers on this bugfix and bug was fixed in 1.62h version. I don't know, which version number will be officially released, but version with this bugfix will be released soon. -- Marek Mikus Czech Support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: invalid HTML
Hello justino, Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 12:54:50 PM, you wrote: miércoles, 15 de enero de 2003 12:53:32 pm Invalid HTML ! Please forward this message to developers. Thanks. EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0040501B in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 017D8000 - Error continues to generate on Bat 1.62 and 1.62e on windows 2000 Pro Get The Bat! 1.62h, the problem is supposed to be fixed. -- Best regards, Daniel Rail Senior System Engineer ACCRA Group Inc. (www.accra.ca) ACCRA Med Software Inc. (www.accramed.ca) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat v2?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ben, @15-Jan-2003, 17:04 Ben Keeley [BK] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Does anyone else have problems with the auto format when do lists? Yes, that is why I normally have Auto Format off. It can be easily toggled with Shift+Ctrl+F when needed. BK Is there a specific reason the bat behaves like this as appose BK to other email clients? Yes. Because the default message editor is WordStar compatible. It uses hard and not soft formatting and recomputes paragraph wrapping by using blank lines to delimit paragraphs. Lists have no interceding blank lines and cannot be differentiated as separate paragraphs. When auto-format is on, lists will be auto wrapped. The new 1.63 beta introduces an experimental Windows style editor that uses soft formatting. You won't catch me using it - I like to know that what I see in the message edit window is what will be sent :-), but it may suit some newcomers. This may be a shame, because many newcomers that at first complained and kicked against the way the editor works are now devout fans of what is actually a very appropriate editor for the purpose. It has a learning curve and needs a bit of getting used to, but that's not always a bad thing. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+JZceOeQkq5KdzaARAuy4AKCMhehmycj8fwhZ1TY2Dqc+TM4hTQCcDNsg 9T1jyh2GkiFneGzfF9hOY6c= =kzIa -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:52:03 [GMT +0700] (10:52 AM EST here) Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello Daniel, On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:18:18 -0500 GMT (15/01/03, 21:18 +0700 GMT), Daniel Grunberg wrote: To make a long story short, I've used Hardware Hell's suggestions in my autoexec.bat file. Deleting the files almost every time my system starts helps to keep my computer running efficiently. I thought about it earlier. Deleting the tmp files automatically when rebooting may cause problems when you install new software that needs a reboot. So I decided against it. I included a CHOICE statement in my autoexec.bat, that gives me a few seconds to turn the deleting process off. I created a file cleanup.bat that deletes unnecessary files, so I can run it when I want to. Before I wrote my version of autoexec.bat, I searched for temp files on my system. Then I decided which ones to delete at start-up. It used to clean the tmp and temp folders and the recycled folder, but I lost that file (too lazy to type it up again and Total Commander is quite good at emptying those directories), so the new version deletes all the index.dat files. I have to reboot to DOS to make it work, because under Windows you can't delete them. Read Hardware Hell's article. Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 95 4.0 Build a -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: invalid HTML
miércoles, 15 de enero de 2003 1:29:15 pm Hello Marek, Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 1:06:21 PM, you wrote: MM 1.62e was not officially released, it has Beta status. well 1.62 is officially released and it the same problem. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Hello Daniel, On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:18:18 -0500 GMT (15/01/03, 21:18 +0700 GMT), Daniel Grunberg wrote: I found an article Deleting Temporary Files Painlessly, at http://hardwarehell.com/bootclean.shtml I get a 404. Which link do I have to use from http://hardwarehell.com/index.shtml ? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Tmp files
Hello Thomas, On or about Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 00:44:26GMT +0700 (which was 12:44 PM in the tropics where I live) Thomas Fernandez queried: TF Hello Daniel, TF I get a 404. Which link do I have to use from TF http://hardwarehell.com/index.shtml ? http://hardwarehell.com/articles/bootclean.shtml Hope this helps!! -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike If you put a billion monkeys in front of a billion typewriters typing at random, they would reproduce the entire collected works of Usenet in about...five minutes. - Anonymous -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Purchasing + upgrades?
Hi, Just wondering... If I were to purchase the bat now before v2 is released would I get a free upgrade or would I have to purchase another license? Thanks Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Virus Plugins
What Virus Plug-in do you all recommend for use with the Bat? -- Happy New Year, Timbo Timothy Casten mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZDC Area 5 Rep. 703.606.2379 NATCA National Communications Chairman NatcaNet Administrator Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat v2?
Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 11:04:01 AM, Ben wrote: Is there a specific reason the bat behaves like this as appose to other email clients? TB!'s editor sees everything *not* separated by an empty line as belonging to one paragraph. I always leave auto-format off and reflow text with alt-L as necessary. -- Dave Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virus Plugins
TC What Virus Plug-in do you all recommend for use with the Bat? NAV 2003 works great with TB! Go NATCA!!! (ZSU) -- Ramon L. Negron (Cuco) Air Traffic Controllers tell pilots where to go! PATCO Lives! Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virus Plugins
Hello Timothy, Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 5:58:20 PM, you wrote: TC What Virus Plug-in do you all recommend for use with the Bat? Personally, Norton but YMMV. :) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sorting Office
Do you think we could sort the Sorting Rules somehow? One sort is the order in which they were added. Another is alphabetical order. Another might be hierarchical grouping. Does the Sorting Office note the date a filter was added? Somewhere outside of the interface maybe. I would always like to get back to the order they were added in any case. -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, Adam wrote... Do you think we could sort the Sorting Rules somehow? If you change the order of the sorting rules, you change the order in which they are applied. That could have a disastrous affect in some situations. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPiWz8iuD6BT4/R9zEQKKGQCg7O7aA4/uXCKDdyOEFlh/suifRIUAoLYV bZpVg7ocsnPLdBOIipGR246E =27L7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Virus Plugins
I have tried NAV 2002 and 2003 and have a problem with timeouts due to its e-mail scanning. The problem is that I maintain both of NATCAS big Internet servers. One we use as a e-mail server running mailsite and the other as a web server. We use sieve filters for virus protection in the e-mail system, and the way that they work is that when they find a suspicious e-mail it blocks the e-mail and sends it to the postmaster account on the mailserver. I then have to download the postmaster account via the bat and this just drives Norton crazy, as every e-mail contains a virus and Norton ends up causing the connection to timeout. I have the need to download and inspect the emails to insure the sieve filters are working properly. I do the same thing for spam i have sieve filters for it also. I talked to Norton about the problem and they advised they know of the problem but they don't have the fix. :( So I'm looking for an alternative, preferably one with a good log file. I am trying the free version of AVG but can't find the log file or it doesn't seem to produce one for e-mail scanning. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Sorting Office
Hello Jonathan list, On or about Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 13:18:05GMT -0600 (which was 2:18 PM in the tropics where I live) Jonathan Angliss murmured: Do you think we could sort the Sorting Rules somehow? JA If you change the order of the sorting rules, you change the JA order in which they are applied. That could have a JA disastrous affect in some situations. Perfect example is a friend who has [EMAIL PROTECTED] as his address. He is definitely not a spammer, so I sort his mail FIRST with a filter for his exact mail address. The spam filter comes later, with 'SEX' as the trigger ANYWHERE in the message! If I resorted my filters, the order could be changed and my IMPORTANT messages from my known correspondent could be trashed! Sorting the Sorting Office - NOT a good idea. That is why they have the MOVE UP and MOVE DOWN buttons! Use with caution though, as the net effect could be NOT EXACTLY what you intend!! -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike The best way to accelerate a Macintosh is at 9.8 m/sec/sec. - Marcus Dolengo -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: invalid HTML
Hello justino, Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 1:29:36 PM, you wrote: miércoles, 15 de enero de 2003 1:29:15 pm Hello Marek, Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 1:06:21 PM, you wrote: MM 1.62e was not officially released, it has Beta status. well 1.62 is officially released and it the same problem. What Marek mentioned is that version 1.62e is a beta version of a future release, not a beta of version 1.62, which is officially released. The same goes for version 1.62h that I mentioned in my message, that one too is a beta version of an upcoming release. It's just that they probably haven't decided what the official version number will be for that release. -- Best regards, Daniel Rail Senior System Engineer ACCRA Group Inc. (www.accra.ca) ACCRA Med Software Inc. (www.accramed.ca) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office
Hello Jonathan, Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 3:48:05 PM, you wrote: JA On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, Adam wrote... Do you think we could sort the Sorting Rules somehow? JA If you change the order of the sorting rules, you change the order JA in which they are applied. That could have a disastrous affect in JA some situations. If you could sort them, perhaps hierachically, or hiding some elements, you could have a better overview of the Rule set that you created, and easier to maintain, and update. I'm referring to their user display, not internal rule list. If your cursor was at a given folder, and you wanted to know the rule governing it, you might not be too quick to pick it out. And of course, you may have other manual acting elements that are just thrown there in the list disorderly style. -- Best regards, Adam Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Sorting Office
Hello Jonathan, Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 3:18:05 PM, you wrote: On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, Adam wrote... Do you think we could sort the Sorting Rules somehow? If you change the order of the sorting rules, you change the order in which they are applied. That could have a disastrous affect in some situations. If the sort is only applied to the viewing of the list of filters, I wouldn't mind. But, I definitely wouldn't want the filter sorting change the order of the filtering. It would be nice to at least have a search capability. But, I just couldn't imagine someone having around 100 filters under incoming and trying to manage them. Just my 2 cents. -- Best regards, Daniel Rail Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, Adam wrote... Do you think we could sort the Sorting Rules somehow? JA If you change the order of the sorting rules, you change the JA order in which they are applied. That could have a disastrous JA affect in some situations. If you could sort them, perhaps hierachically, or hiding some elements, you could have a better overview of the Rule set that you created, and easier to maintain, and update. That's why you give them creative names ;) I'm referring to their user display, not internal rule list. But then how do you set the sorting order? If your cursor was at a given folder, and you wanted to know the rule governing it, you might not be too quick to pick it out. Hrm... I can see a partial need for this, but where would you move your mouse over the 'folder'? In the message tree? Could make for a messy display that way. And of course, you may have other manual acting elements that are just thrown there in the list disorderly style. Why sort for one set of rules if you're not going to do it for all? Seems rather haphazard that way to me. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPiXA6yuD6BT4/R9zEQIRgACfd7eO3qnEdKpXrXOnkoW/NmotybUAnidg 54/kAQvtBqvd31P24J745lCa =Vw7/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, Daniel Rail wrote... Do you think we could sort the Sorting Rules somehow? If you change the order of the sorting rules, you change the order in which they are applied. That could have a disastrous affect in some situations. If the sort is only applied to the viewing of the list of filters, I wouldn't mind. But how do you sort on displayed, and not alter the order of affect? You'd then have to tag each filter with an order number, and have that displayed somewhere too, and allow sorting by that, and make it easily modifiable. It would be nice to at least have a search capability. A sort in the search would be fine... because that truly would only be a name listing of the filter, and sorting on it would be just like sorting on a search result from a mailbox. But, I just couldn't imagine someone having around 100 filters under incoming and trying to manage them. I have close to 60 on one account. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPiXB1yuD6BT4/R9zEQIUFQCg4cgB3qPSKIELKRTGOoaqYtyUUagAoPbe x6eKcBZO99nbjNhpQ7wr32+y =WVis -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Purchasing + upgrades?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ben, @15-Jan-2003, 17:54 Ben Keeley [BK] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: BK Just wondering... If I were to purchase the bat now before v2 is BK released would I get a free upgrade or would I have to purchase BK another license? Nobody here really knows the answer to that question. This is just the user group rather than the sales team. Here's what I think. It depends on the following: How long it takes them to release v2. Whether or not the v1 series continues as a project (which it currently looks like it may do). How generous RITlabs feel on the day. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+JcOPOeQkq5KdzaARAhXeAKCo4Rc8RXwjTKmKOuUWhZDJkMBP6ACeOepK W0WT/ZG7ulONwjDfLLN5mzQ= =rtuN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virus Plugins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Timothy, @15-Jan-2003, 12:58 -0500 (17:58 UK time) Timothy Casten [TC] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: TC What Virus Plug-in do you all recommend for use with the Bat? I use AVG. I recommend NOD32 and Kaspersky(?) as better packages. I always advise against Norton. They may be good from some points of view but they are irresponsible as publishers and unresponsive as developers IMHO. YMMV - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+JcR5OeQkq5KdzaARAnpaAKDK6+ujyIaoj0+YxBkrT8yHQX0UsgCdGjr/ B17twiW7uV9o10Ixi3sSl+M= =VdL0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: invalid HTML
On 15-1-2003 at 20:49, Daniel Rail wrote: The same goes for version 1.62h that I mentioned in my message, that one too is a beta version of an upcoming release. It's just that they probably haven't decided what the official version number will be for that release. 1.63 is currently in its beta-stages. 1.62h is the current version with a bug-fix. So its an improved version of the one that's official. -- Greetings, Haico Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Purchasing + upgrades?
I've bought my license from French dealer malka www.malka.com ; they told me that licenses bought after decembre 2002 would be valid for TheBat v2.0 Erwan. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:17:48 [GMT +0100] (10:17 AM EST here) Miguel A. Urech wrote: Hello Daniel, (Almost every time is because when I reboot, as I must, after using VirusScan's UPDATE button McAfee ViruScan won't update if the temporary files are deleted.) What version of viruscan are you using? I use version 6 and it doesn't need a reboot after updating. I'm using an earlier version. When I update by pressing the Update button, I (almost?) always have to reboot to have the update take effect. Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 95 4.0 Build a -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Purchasing + upgrades?
Hello Erwan CHAUTY, On or about Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 22:07:03GMT +0100 (which was 4:07 PM in the tropics where I live) Erwan CHAUTY whispered: EC I've bought my license from French dealer malka www.malka.com ; they EC told me that licenses bought after decembre 2002 would be valid for EC TheBat v2.0 Nice to know if true! I think I'll get the whole family their (6) licenses now!! -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike What goes up must come down. But don't expect it to come down where you can find it. -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat v2?
On Wednesday, January 15, 2003 Marck D Pearlstone stated: MDP This may be a shame, because many newcomers that at first complained MDP and kicked against the way the editor works are now devout fans of MDP what is actually a very appropriate editor for the purpose. It has a MDP learning curve and needs a bit of getting used to, but that's not MDP always a bad thing. Just like learning to drink beer from a glass. In proper company that's not a bad thing; otherwise I'll have another bottle please. :-) Cheers Yall \\' Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Thu, 16 Jan 2003 00:44:26 [GMT +0700] (12:44 PM EST Wed here) Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello Daniel, On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:18:18 -0500 GMT (15/01/03, 21:18 +0700 GMT), Daniel Grunberg wrote: I found an article Deleting Temporary Files Painlessly, at http://hardwarehell.com/bootclean.shtml I get a 404. Which link do I have to use from http://hardwarehell.com/index.shtml ? Thomas, I just tried the link I gave, and it worked. I'll copy the article and email it to you. Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 95 4.0 Build a -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Should I stay or should I go...?
On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 11:04:58 PM, Peter Kerekes wrote: PK Try Time and Chaos http://www.isbister.com/ I use it for a number PK of years. I've been using TC for only a few months, but I'll second the vote. It's terrific. I only downloaded it for comparison purposes - I was testing out a number of other PIMS which were free - but very quickly realised it outstripped every other PIM I'd played with :-) It's a bit like TB really - you just keep finding new little things you can do that will make your life easier :-) -- Deborah Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: invalid HTML
Hello Daniel, Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 6:14:52 PM, you wrote: DR DR Get The Bat! 1.62h, the problem is supposed to be fixed. Where would I find that version? -- Best regards, FJ de Bruin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Hello Daniel, I'm using an earlier version. When I update by pressing the Update button, I (almost?) always have to reboot to have the update take effect. Yes, I remember from earlier versions. That is one of the reasons I upgraded to v6, because it updates automatically and doesn't need a reboot. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Purchasing + upgrades?
Hello all, Wednesday, January 15, 2003, Spike wrote: EC I've bought my license from French dealer malka www.malka.com ; they EC told me that licenses bought after decembre 2002 would be valid for EC TheBat v2.0 Nice to know if true! I think I'll get the whole family their (6) licenses now!! This is true if You registered from 7th October to 5th January, users registered from 6th January will pay upgrade fee to V2. Ritlabs informed distributors about this on 3rd January 2003. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 1.63 Beta/4 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 AMD ThunderBird 1,2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Sorting Office
Hello, Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 4:17:23 PM, you wrote: If the sort is only applied to the viewing of the list of filters, I wouldn't mind. But how do you sort on displayed, and not alter the order of affect? You'd then have to tag each filter with an order number, and have that displayed somewhere too, and allow sorting by that, and make it easily modifiable. My guess is that a field representing the order of the filters already exist, it's just not displayed. It would be nice to at least have a search capability. A sort in the search would be fine... because that truly would only be a name listing of the filter, and sorting on it would be just like sorting on a search result from a mailbox. That would be fine as well. -- Best regards, Daniel Rail Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: invalid HTML
Hello all, Wednesday, January 15, 2003, FJ de Bruin wrote: DR DR Get The Bat! 1.62h, the problem is supposed to be fixed. Where would I find that version? wait for official version, it will be relased very soon as I know. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 1.63 Beta/4 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 AMD ThunderBird 1,2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, Daniel Rail wrote... If the sort is only applied to the viewing of the list of filters, I wouldn't mind. But how do you sort on displayed, and not alter the order of affect? You'd then have to tag each filter with an order number, and have that displayed somewhere too, and allow sorting by that, and make it easily modifiable. My guess is that a field representing the order of the filters already exist, it's just not displayed. Save them in the order the filters are to be used it. That saves having to write any indexing routines to sort the data. Then you don't have to use additional data to do that... but I guess it isn't too difficult to add the order option... just difficult to display it when you start sorting the filters... that'd then become a pain in the department of writing the order of the filters... but I guess it is entirely dependant on how they store their filters as to how easy it is. It would be nice to at least have a search capability. A sort in the search would be fine That would be fine as well. It'd be the easiest to implement, that's for sure. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPiXl5yuD6BT4/R9zEQKLQgCgnuOWAAvN66U3DkmkOFnUTN7d3pAAniXb K1WX0ymSYHbu7fgu9UvsTIV2 =S9/b -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to add CC list in forward mails
Hello Daniel, On January 15, 2003, 09:25, you wrote: DG Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:52:26 [GMT +0100] (9:52 AM EST here) Roelof Otten DG wrote: DG An off-topic (arguably, smart-assed) question: DG Particularly in this computer age, doesn't cc stand for copies? DG Compare cc to pp, which always has stood for pages. Actually cc stands for carbon-copy -- Peter Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/3 on Windows 98 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office
Do you think we could sort the Sorting Rules somehow? One sort is the order in which they were added. Another is alphabetical order. Dangerous! (...at least for me!) My rules are IF? THEN! ELSE!! based. Sorting then around alfabetically would be THEN what IF...HUH!? DOH! Another might be hierarchical grouping. That I support - for example, I have 10 antispamrules (clever stuff!), and I would certainly like to put them into a group and name that group something relevant, like JunkShield etc. Soumething you didn't mention: The Sorting Office editor needs to be BIGGER. Todays editor is a rather small box that forces you to scroll left-right and up-down more than you should. For example, when you name rules, you have to use rather short names in order to display them so they show without having to scroll - an example: JunkShield Spamvestigater (General - Kludges) and JunkShield Spamvestigater (General - Anyhere) are both displayed as JunkShield Spamvestigater (Gen I host 6 mailing lists on my PC (!) - with 35 smart rules for each list (and they all have equal leftstart, like Korg Triton Mailing List), that small box is indeed a problem. Even on a 1024 screen that box is much smaller than it should be - the size is a waste! Another thing you didn't mention is the way TB handles Copy. When copying a rule you most often want to put that rule close to the one you copied from. So say you have 100 rules and you copy from 22; why isn't that copied rule just pasted into position 23 and the other rules below it is properly subordinated. Why not?!? Or better, when you copy (CTRL+C) then TB should allow you to scroll up and down an paste (CTRL+V) the rule exactly where you want it. Furthermore, there is a bug when copying rules around: Sometimes the name is deleted and the copied rule is named New rule - VERY COOL? The rules...are they handling BASE64 propery - _always_? More often than not, spam enters my mailbox as BASE64 or other MIME, and though certain words are present in the text portion of the message, TB fails to see that. That also applies for the Search function. Another bug (that I created a workaround for) is how TB handles the addressbooks. If you program your rules well, TB can provide you with an excellent mailinglist server. BUT there are things that you will need to bug yourself around - for example: The parameter Address(es) must be listed in the addressbook, it allows you to enter more than one addressbook handle. That's fine, but the problem is that when you enter more than one addressbook, ie. m-emusaic-r+m-emusaic-d (supposedly to look in addressbooks of m-emusaic-r and m-emusaic-d, the rules expect the address to be present in them BOTH, and not in EITHER. I found a way around that - it is not relevant to explain it here, but I find it to be an anomaly Ritlabs should address (pun?)! And there's more: Export message to file - the rule is not complete what MIME based messages regards. If you use macroes %HEADERS and %TEXT, a message that has (for example) BASE64 will export HEADERS correctly, but is not the _text_ of the message, it is the BASE64 portion. The real _text_ is not exported! I would like TB to understand that when a message has MIME in, then TB should export the real text and the MIME code. Suggestion for Ritlabs: Add a macro %SOURCE - %SOURCE would then give you an exact copy of the message - just like F9. Got It? I would Export message to file to be able export complete messages _separately_ as ASCII text. In current version one can only export to a file and overwrite it or append to it. But Export... cannot create files with names based on Message-ID or Subject, for example. Is there more... Sure! But now I hand the baton to the next guy! :) / St Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office
I just couldn't imagine someone having around 100 filters under incoming and trying to manage them. I have 301 rules working hard for the money...on a PII233! / St Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Virus Plugins
Hello Timothy, Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 7:25:39 PM, you wrote: TC I have tried NAV 2002 and 2003 and have a problem with timeouts due to its e-mail scanning. TC The problem is that I maintain both of NATCAS big Internet servers. TC One we use as a e-mail server running mailsite and the other as a web server. Can I just ask - what surprises me in what you have said is that you don't have a sheep dip server dealing with the mail first? That would enable all virus loaded files to remain on that computer and only notifications to be sent to the Postmaster. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Virus Plugins
I can do that in Mailsite also Mike. I can have it deliver the infected e-mail or deposit it in a folder on the server or do both. I just prefer downloading it every day. Just a preference of mine. -- Happy New Year, Timbo Timothy Casten mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZDC Area 5 Rep. 703.606.2379 NATCA National Communications Chairman NatcaNet Administrator Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 7:52:57 PM, you wrote: Can I just ask - what surprises me in what you have said is that you don't have a sheep dip server dealing with the mail first? That would enable all virus loaded files to remain on that computer and only notifications to be sent to the Postmaster. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Hello Daniel, On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:50:42 -0500 GMT (16/01/03, 04:50 +0700 GMT), Daniel Grunberg wrote: I'll copy the article and email it to you. I received your PM, thank you. It is a combination of the cleanup.bat file I lost and the file I have now. It misses the c:\tmp and c:\recycled directories, which I will add and update my cleanup.bat file now. Thanks! :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Die Streichhoelzer muessen gut versteckt werden, damit sie keine kleinen Kinder bekommen. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office
Hello Adam, On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:26:14 -0330 GMT (16/01/03, 02:56 +0700 GMT), Adam wrote: If you could sort them, perhaps hierachically, or hiding some elements, you could have a better overview of the Rule set that you created, and easier to maintain, and update. I'm referring to their user display, not internal rule list. Oh please, no. The order of the display *must* be the same as the order in which the filters are processed. This is the first time I am against even an option to make soemthing happen. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Auf einer japanischen Kuechenmaschine: Nicht fur die anderen Benutzungen zu benutzen. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Sorting Office
Hi Thomas, If you could sort them, perhaps hierachically, or hiding some elements, you could have a better overview of the Rule set that you created, and easier to maintain, and update. I'm referring to their user display, not internal rule list. TF Oh please, no. The order of the display *must* be the same as the TF order in which the filters are processed. This is the first time I am TF against even an option to make soemthing happen. I want to glance at my filter list and know that they're being executed in same order. I can give my filters descriptive names if I want to. I vote for leaving it the way it is too. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bat v2?
The new 1.63 beta introduces an experimental Windows style editor that uses soft formatting. You won't catch me using it - I like to know that what I see in the message edit window is what will be sent :-), but it may suit some newcomers I'm just trying the new version now (1.63b4). Once all the bugs get ironed out it's going to provide a nice improvement that should bring a lot of new users over to TheBat! So far I have spotted the following bugs in the new message editor: 1. resizing window causes very visible flashing of all window text and one or two header fields 2. Replying to a majority of messages (which are all in folders that contain a valid reply template) starts the message window EMPTY. ie. no template is being used. I don't know why this happens only to some messgaes but not some others. Seems to happen to all messages from Bat users on this list. 3. All replies indicate Modified in the message window status area even if I have NOT made any modifications. 4. Pressing ESCAPE to close a message for which bug#2 occurs, TB prompts for confirmation as if the message HAS been modified. 5. The status always reads Overwirte regardless of actual Insert/Overwrite setting. 6. Pasting as quotation does not properly observe the auto-wrap setting from the editor prefs. Set to 72 it was still wrapping some text at 60-something when the line was only 67 characters including the newly added quote marker. I haven't dared try anything but stream mode with the new editor yet though. I also see no way of toggling between the two editor modes while composing a ingle message. It seems to be all or nothing. No way to set editor prefs per user either (not an issue for me right now). And that's all for now. My GF is bugging me to get to bed. :) I couldn't resist finding and trying out this beta version as soon as I read you mentioning it though. I had to download it from the German TB web page as I didn't find any mentions in TBUDL or on the Ritlabs web page. Bruno Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office
I vote for leaving it the way it is too.
I am not against today's order of display, either (rules sorted
in the order they are processed) - BUT it would certainly be nice
if one could group related rules:
Instead of
VirusShield Spamvestigater (Virus)
VirusShield SpamCop detected viruses
Whitelist: E-MU Systems
Whitelist: E-MULetter
Whitelist: Editors - Tritonhaven.Com
Whitelist: Faq - Tritonhaven.Com
Whitelist: ISP - BigBiz.Com
[sub] Mailing List - E-MUsaic Mailing List
[sub] Mailing List - Korg Trinity Mailing List
[sub] Mailing List - Korg Triton Mailing List
[sub] Mailing List - Roland Variphrase Mailing List
[sub] Mailing List - Roland VS-1680 Mailing List
[sub] Mailing List - Whosh Mailing List
[sub] Mailing List - Whosh Steering Committee Mailing List
Independent - BigFishAudio.Com News
Independent - Symantec.Com News
Independent - Doctor Audio Mailing List
Independent - Jokequeen
JunkShield Spamvestigater (General - Kludges)
JunkShield Spamvestigater (General - Anywhere)
JunkShield Spamvestigater ('inkjet')
JunkShield Spamvestigater ('satellite')
JunkShield Spamvestigater ('no address')
JunkShield Spamvestigater ('search engine')
JunkShield Spamvestigater (known spammers)
JunkShield Spamvestigater (if 'relay' and no '4703')
JunkShield Spamvestigater (if 'bomber' and no 9773055435')
St - Musaic.Net
St - Tritonhaven.Com
St - Whosh.Net
etc.
we could have
- VirusShield
VirusShield Spamvestigater (Virus)
VirusShield SpamCop detected viruses
- Whitelisted Addresses
Whitelist: E-MU Systems
Whitelist: E-MULetter
Whitelist: Editors - Tritonhaven.Com
Whitelist: Faq - Tritonhaven.Com
Whitelist: ISP - BigBiz.Com
- Mailing Lists (As host)
[sub] Mailing List - E-MUsaic Mailing List
[sub] Mailing List - Korg Trinity Mailing List
[sub] Mailing List - Korg Triton Mailing List
[sub] Mailing List - Roland Variphrase Mailing List
[sub] Mailing List - Roland VS-1680 Mailing List
[sub] Mailing List - Whosh Mailing List
[sub] Mailing List - Whosh Steering Committee Mailing List
- Mailing List (As subscriber only)
Independent - BigFishAudio.Com News
Independent - Symantec.Com News
Independent - Doctor Audio Mailing List
Independent - Jokequeen
- JunkShield (Anti-spam)
JunkShield Spamvestigater (General - Kludges)
JunkShield Spamvestigater (General - Anywhere)
JunkShield Spamvestigater ('inkjet')
JunkShield Spamvestigater ('satellite')
JunkShield Spamvestigater ('no address')
JunkShield Spamvestigater ('search engine')
JunkShield Spamvestigater (known spammers)
JunkShield Spamvestigater (if 'relay' and no '4703')
JunkShield Spamvestigater (if 'bomber' and no 9773055435')
- Main Addresses
St - Musaic.Net
St - Tritonhaven.Com
St - Whosh.Net
which again in a colapsed display would show up something like
+ VirusShield
+ Whitelisted Addresses
+ Mailing Lists (As Host)
- Mailing List (Subscriber Only)
Independent - BigFishAudio.Com News
Independent - Symantec.Com News
Independent - Doctor Audio Mailing List
Independent - Jokequeen
+ JunkShield (Anti-spam)
+ Main Addresses
Ok? Just like folders and files in Explorer. And don't forget,
TB already have a sort of hierarchy:
+ Incoming Mail
+ Outgoing Mail
+ Read Messages
+ Replied Messages
+ Selective Download
:)
/ St
Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Development Focus
Marek, On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, Marek Mikus wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: DR Get The Bat! 1.62h, the problem is supposed to be fixed. Where would I find that version? MM wait for official version, it will be relased very soon as I know Why is RITlabs producing beta versions of 1.63 at the same time as they are producing refinements of the 1.62 series at the same time as they are supposed to be developing the 2.0 series? -- JN Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat v2?
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The new 1.63 beta introduces an experimental Windows style editor
that uses soft formatting. You won't catch me using it - I like to
know that what I see in the message edit window is what will be
sent :-), but it may suit some newcomers
BF I'm just trying the new version now (1.63b4). Once all the bugs
BF get ironed out it's going to provide a nice improvement that
BF should bring a lot of new users over to TheBat!
BF So far I have spotted the following bugs in the new message
BF editor:
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Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
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Re[2]: Sorting Office
Hi St,
Now that I can see what you had in mind - I like it!
Actually, I'd prefer a plain external text file
with the rules in execution order.
(Makes sharing of rules very easy to do.)
TB reads the text file and presents the default view
which would be execution order. It'd have a couple
buttons to sort the view different ways...and an associated
account preference so the same view is always presented, if
altered from the default by the user.
But then again, I'm not a programmer so I have no idea
how expensive it would be make any changes at all, let
alone our cosmetic wantings.
I get Korean spamwith weird characters in it.
It's very easy to copy/paste those characters into
a filter. Filtering on foreign characters isn't
something I've had good success with using other
user agents.
I vote for leaving it the way it is too.
SMN I am not against today's order of display, either (rules sorted
SMN in the order they are processed) - BUT it would certainly be nice
SMN if one could group related rules:
SMN - VirusShield
SMN VirusShield Spamvestigater (Virus)
SMN VirusShield SpamCop detected viruses
SMN - Whitelisted Addresses
SMN Whitelist: E-MU Systems
SMN Whitelist: E-MULetter
SMN Whitelist: Editors - Tritonhaven.Com
SMN Whitelist: Faq - Tritonhaven.Com
SMN Whitelist: ISP - BigBiz.Com
SMN - Mailing Lists (As host)
SMN [sub] Mailing List - E-MUsaic Mailing List
SMN [sub] Mailing List - Korg Trinity Mailing List
SMN [sub] Mailing List - Korg Triton Mailing List
SMN [sub] Mailing List - Roland Variphrase Mailing List
SMN [sub] Mailing List - Roland VS-1680 Mailing List
SMN [sub] Mailing List - Whosh Mailing List
SMN [sub] Mailing List - Whosh Steering Committee Mailing List
SMN - Mailing List (As subscriber only)
SMN Independent - BigFishAudio.Com News
SMN Independent - Symantec.Com News
SMN Independent - Doctor Audio Mailing List
SMN Independent - Jokequeen
SMN - JunkShield (Anti-spam)
SMN JunkShield Spamvestigater (General - Kludges)
SMN JunkShield Spamvestigater (General - Anywhere)
SMN JunkShield Spamvestigater ('inkjet')
SMN JunkShield Spamvestigater ('satellite')
SMN JunkShield Spamvestigater ('no address')
SMN JunkShield Spamvestigater ('search engine')
SMN JunkShield Spamvestigater (known spammers)
SMN JunkShield Spamvestigater (if 'relay' and no '4703')
SMN JunkShield Spamvestigater (if 'bomber' and no 9773055435')
SMN - Main Addresses
SMN St - Musaic.Net
SMN St - Tritonhaven.Com
SMN St - Whosh.Net
SMN which again in a colapsed display would show up something like
SMN + VirusShield
SMN + Whitelisted Addresses
SMN + Mailing Lists (As Host)
SMN - Mailing List (Subscriber Only)
SMN Independent - BigFishAudio.Com News
SMN Independent - Symantec.Com News
SMN Independent - Doctor Audio Mailing List
SMN Independent - Jokequeen
SMN + JunkShield (Anti-spam)
SMN + Main Addresses
SMN Ok? Just like folders and files in Explorer. And don't forget,
SMN TB already have a sort of hierarchy:
SMN + Incoming Mail
SMN + Outgoing Mail
SMN + Read Messages
SMN + Replied Messages
SMN + Selective Download
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Re[2]: Sorting Office
Hello St - Musaic.Net, On or about Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 05:38:13GMT +0100 (which was 11:38 PM in the tropics where I live) St - Musaic.Net opined: SMN I am not against today's order of display, either (rules sorted SMN in the order they are processed) - BUT it would certainly be nice SMN if one could group related rules: 8 [SNIPPED] to prevent massive overquoting ;-) I like the way this idea was presented. It would tend to assist those trying to figure out HOW to use filters, and perhaps suggest a BEST method to order them for maximum effect and minimum effort. When I first started out 15 months ago, I fiddled for DAYS on end to get my filters to execute in the proper order. Now I have something VERY similar to the arrangement you detailed, with the exception of the Virus scanning, which I don't do :^) -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virus Plugins
Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 6:58:20 PM, you wrote: What Virus Plug-in do you all recommend for use with the Bat? I used the following software in the past 2 years, each of it for a longer period of time, all full versions: G Data Antiviren Kit 11 Great software, test winner in c't and several other journals. Finds almost everything, uses pop.server for mail client. TB! hung several times (every 3rd time or so) when more than 1 account had mail. Several demands to support only produced 'help for dummies' - they just wouldn't believe that their software didn't work as expected. The system-performance is MUCH SLOWER because of the OnAccess scanner (I had it always on). Had problems once with a virus test, Marck helped me out (thanks for that ;-)). Kaspersky Professional Works with plugin, great scanner, system slow, really confusing interface if you're used to other software e.g. G Data. Norton AV IMHO: Just forget about them, didn't made me lucky at any time. AVG The only one that's free!!! for personal use. Doesn't slow down the system too much, what I almost prefer most. Works with plugin for TB! (and works fine on my systems!). Maybe not the best scanner (following the test results), but in my experience and the ones of many others on this list it catches quite a lot. This was a bit of a longer answer, but I thought it could be helpful for you. I recommend AVG and the use of 'your brain', the best AV-tool on the market. ;-))) 3w Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
