Re: TB ZoneAlarm - Dupes
Hallo Steve, On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:55:00 +GMT (19-11-03, 17:55 +0100, where I live), you wrote: Looking carefully around for mods while discussing OT topic Firstly apologies as I realise this has already strayed well OT, this is my last post on the subject Create an additional archive and set the properties of your postbox to forward all mail to that archive without deleting it. (properties - 'mail' tab) Now configure TB to delete mail from the server. OK, I'm with you now. I was misunderstanding what you meant. Makes perfect sense really. In fact I have this setup already but am not using it in the way you suggest, but will from now on. Huh? I rest my case. Thanks to all who replied to this and especially you Roelof. Steve Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachment Name Problems
On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 3:52:42 PM, Roelof Otten wrote: JBL ,- [ File Boundary - truncated file name] JBL | [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@11CBF JBL | Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=CRB JBL | Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 JBL `- As this is the incoming message, I don't think it's TB's fault, when looking to this I can't get any further than 'CRB' as the file name When I tested this by looking at the message source before it was downloaded, I found the full file name. It seems to be a problem with the way the TB is handling the message once received that is causing the problems. Do you have your TB mail processed by an extra tool, spam filter, whatever that's leaving Outlook's mail alone? I have tried downloading the same messages with SpamPal disabled, with the same result, so that does not seem to be the source of the problem. As I said, I am not sure how far this is TB's fault, as it is probably a badly configured server at the other end that is causing the problems, be I don't think TB should be truncating the file names, particularly when other MUAs don't. Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.01 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
LDAP address books
Can someone explain how to use this feature. As I understand it, it should be possible to seach LDAP serves for adresses, e-mail addresses, etc., but I can't figure out how. What is the purpose of these green books with the network symbol? -- Mogens Using The Bat! Version 2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: message headers.
ON Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 10:49:33 PM, you wrote: BM This is the most screwed up TB mailing list email I've received. Some BM of the headers are in the body. Since the Reply-To field wasn't in BM the header, I found this mess in my spam folder :-) Hi Bill, It is funny that this should happen with a post about headers. I checked the original and what I found it that I have a weird subject line, with additional characters. These made the line split up and also made TB! believe that the msg started after the subject header. The only thing I know I did was copy the subject from the text, something I do more often. As for it being in your spam folder, you are not the only one :-) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Theirs was a love based on mutual respect. Sidneys habit of always getting two hundred and fifty yards from the tee fascinated Agnes, and he in his turn was enthralled by her shortgame, which was exceptionally accurate. ==P.G Wodehouse - FEET OF CLAY == Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: message headers.
ON Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 10:25:12 PM, you wrote: RO Your mail arrived here somewhat mungled. Sorry about that. G Can someone explain what you can use the settings for at G Options|preferences|messages|message headers. RO That's where you need to define new headers before you can insert them RO in TB. RO The first column with Yes/No defines whether the header's an address. RO The second Yes/No colmun makes the address editable in the message RO editor RO The last column defines whether the header (when shown) is displayed RO in the scrollable part of the headers. I asked this question ecause I noticed that not all the headers are there. I recently found that TB! adds a Resent-from: header since version 2. If I add this header to the list it will accept it but it will not show when selected in the editing window. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Things That Sound Dirty At Golf But Aren't: Keep your head down and spread your legs a bit more Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB not displaying message completly
Hi Roelof, Nachricht vom Mittwoch, 19. November 2003, 22:33:10: Hallo Timo, On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:54:50 +0100GMT (19-11-03, 19:54 +0100, where I live), you wrote: TB I have got a problem with some list-mail where TB doesn't TB display the complete mail, just the first part of it... Looking TB at the mail can you read them fully when you browse for deleted messages in your Inbox? TB How do I do that? Select the Inbox. In the menu do: folder - browse deleted messages They do not show there... TB Perhaps you want to have a look at one of these mails? It's a TB mailing I'll try that... Thanks. Timo Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?
Hello Nick, On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:28:04 -0700 GMT (20/11/2003, 01:28 +0700 GMT), Nick Andriash wrote: I suppose I don't agree with that article... and the fact that only a few List Admins choose not to munge them... tells me that many others agree with me as well. :o) I disagree with the article as well. If I want to reply to a message on the list, I hit Reply. If the Reply-To header is set to the list, the reply goes to the list, as intended. If I want to reply to the author, I do that in such rare cases. Whether I used Reply or Reply to author is up to me, regardless of whether I use an email client that uses r and g, or I use TB. The article makes no sense. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Nennen Sie eine Touristen-Attraktion in Rom: Der schiefe Turm von Pisa Message reply created with The Bat! 2.01.26 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The amazing, mystical, and downright magical disappearing data trick
All right, this has been happening to me for years and I have just got to see if it's just me or anyone else has seen this phenomenon: Data entered into the memo field of the account properties just suddenly vanishes. It doesn't happen often, in fact it's rare enough that I have no idea just when it happens. I don't refer to that memo box often, but every now and then I'll go there to retrieve some data and the sucker is totally blank. My gut feel is it happens during a TB! backup, but I have no evidence to support that claim. So, has anyone else ever witnessed this rare, and possibly spectacular event take place in their TB! world? -- ò¸ó Nick Danger [MUA: 2.01.26] [OS: Windows XP 5 1] I had a fortune cookie the other day that read, Outlook not so good. I thought, Sure, but Microsoft ships it anyway. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Marck's SpamCop filters : (
Hi, I have put the filters into my sorting office and they seem to work fine. However, I'm encountering one problem: Whenever the spamcop.bat file is executed to start the browser it won't close by itself, and as long as it is still open TB! does not work properly. I have to close the DOS window by hand every time. Is the filter meant to be like that? Here's my filter: BeginFilter Name: spamcop autoresponder Active: 1 Source: \Inbox Target: \Trash MainSet: 00spamcop.net MainSet: 20SpamCop has accepted Actions: faMarkRead,faExport,faExternal,faoExportOver,faoWaitCompletion ExtCmd: C:\temp\spamcop.bat ExtFile: C:\temp\spamcop.bat SaveTemplate: \22c:\5CProgramme\5Cmozilla\5Cmozilla.EXE\22\20%-\0D\0Ahttp://%REGEXPTEXT\3D\22spamcop.net/sc\5CS*\22\0D\0Acls\0D\0A EndFilter Any idea how I could fix the problem? Thanks for your help! Antje Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- | Antje Lehmann | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The amazing, mystical, and downright magical disappearing data trick
Hello Nick,
A reminder of what Nick Danger typed on:
20 November 2003 at 07:09:13 GMT -0600
ND So, has anyone else ever witnessed this rare, and possibly spectacular
ND event take place in their TB! world?
Can't say that I've ever noticed it but it nice to know your still
alive and kicking :)
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Re[2]: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hi Roelof Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 4:26:04 PM, you wrote: RO In that case you could create a filter that exports a message to a RO file with a template that adds a reply-to header and that imports the RO message in the right folder via 'execute external program' Interesting approach :) I thought I was missing a simple way to do it, but apparently not. I'll give Nick's suggestion a whirl and come back to this if it doesn't work. Thanks Roelof. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hi Nick Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 5:05:16 PM, you wrote: NA Hmmm? I think I misread your Posting... sorry for confusing you. I too NA have one such List that I had to create a Folder level Template to NA overcome this. As Roelof mentioned, you have to fool around with your NA To: address. Here is how I changed mine to work: NA %TO=%TO=GnuPG Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is this a folder template or address book? And just to make sure, there *are* supposed to be two TO's in there, right? (unusual syntax, with the apparently unbalanced quotation marks :)) Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hallo Vishal, On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:57:10 -0500GMT (20-11-03, 15:57 +0100, where I live), you wrote: NA %TO=%TO=GnuPG Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] V Is this a folder template or address book? A folder template. V And just to make sure, there *are* supposed to be two TO's in V there, right? (unusual syntax, with the apparently unbalanced V quotation marks :)) There must be two %To macros, but if you look again, you'll see that the quotation marks are balanced. The %To macro adds an address to the To: header, the only exception is when you're using %To=, that clears the To: header. What the macro above does, could be placed on two lines: %TO=%- %TO=GnuPG Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] First you clear the To: header, then you add an address. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hallo Vishal, On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:53:45 -0500GMT (20-11-03, 15:53 +0100, where I live), you wrote: RO In that case you could create a filter that exports a message to a RO file with a template that adds a reply-to header and that imports the RO message in the right folder via 'execute external program' V Interesting approach :) I thought I was missing a simple way to do it, but V apparently not. I'll give Nick's suggestion a whirl and come back to this if V it doesn't work. Thanks Roelof. That would be my way too, but you insisted on 'no folder templates'. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Marck's SpamCop filters : (
Hallo Antje, On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:15:49 +0100GMT (20-11-03, 14:15 +0100, where I live), you wrote: AL I have to close the DOS window by hand every time. Is the filter AL meant to be like that? Select your spamcop.bat in the windows explorer, right mouse click, properties, 'program' tab check 'close window on exit' (Keep in mind that I translate those items from a non English version. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB not displaying message completly
Hallo Timo, On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:34:33 +0100GMT (20-11-03, 12:34 +0100, where I live), you wrote: can you read them fully when you browse for deleted messages in your Inbox? TB How do I do that? Select the Inbox. In the menu do: folder - browse deleted messages TB They do not show there... That's probably because you've compressed your inbox after filtering your messages. (Sensible habit, saves space and speeds TB during normal usage.) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachment Name Problems
Hallo Julian, On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:10:07 +GMT (20-11-03, 10:10 +0100, where I live), you wrote: JBL As I said, I am not sure how far this is TB's fault, as it is JBL probably a badly configured server at the other end that is causing JBL the problems, be I don't think TB should be truncating the file names, JBL particularly when other MUAs don't. In that case I'd like to see a message as it was before TB downloaded it -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving QT's
Hallo Joseph, On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:30:07 -0600GMT (20-11-03, 3:30 +0100, where I live), you wrote: JN How, if at all, can I move my QT's from one account to another? Check at template edit screen 'Share with other accounts'. When you really want to move them, use cut and paste. When you want to move them from an old account to a new account without any QT's, you can copy the file account.qtn from the old account directory to the new account directory. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Marck's SpamCop filters : (
On Thursday, November 20, 2003, 8:15 AM, you wrote: AL I have put the filters into my sorting office and they seem to work AL fine. However, I'm encountering one problem: Whenever the spamcop.bat AL file is executed to start the browser it won't close by itself, and as AL long as it is still open TB! does not work properly. I have to close AL the DOS window by hand every time. Is the filter meant to be like AL that? I have found that when I close the browser window, after I hit OK for spamcop to take care of the spam, then the dos window closes. -- Paul Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Custom headers?
Can someon etell me how I can add custome mail headers to my outgoing mail? I would like to use Habeus headers, but cannot figure out how to do so, and would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Geordon Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?
Thomas Fernandez wrote: Whether I used Reply or Reply to author is up to me, regardless of whether I use an email client that uses r and g, or I use TB. The article makes no sense. Although I don't fully agree with the article, it does make sense. You are incorrect in assuming that using Reply or Reply to All is up to you (or Reply to author/Reply as you listed). E-mail clients have this choice, and the Bat can even ignore Reply to addresses, though only at the account-level Reply template (Do not use FROM name for REPLY-TO addresses). Is there a way you could reply privately to me without some method of copying and pasting or deleting an address? There is always going to be an extra step. In other words, there is no *direct* method to reply to the list sender only. If I sent you a message privately (not through a list) and copied my friend Bob and Alice on that message, you could either Reply (to me only) or Reply All (to me, Bob and Alice). In this case, either reply function follows the logic of most e-mail clients: reply to the person sending the message or reply to everyone who received the message. Now... all that being said :) My ratio of private replies to group replies is such that this really hasn't ever bothered me. In fact, I have created folder templates to make replies go to the group instead. And a private reply is often just a matter of using Reply All (which gets both from and Reply to) and deleting the group address. That's how it works here at least. But this is where I tend to side with some of the principles of that article. What's happening is that the *normal* behavior of Reply and Reply All (fairly standard across e-mail clients) is being changed. And it seems like this is happening to make it easier on list members who likely want to send replies to the group most of the time. Enough lists do this (munge Reply To) that now it's almost the norm - I've belonged to a great many lists over the years and the majority send replies to the group. It's a bit surprising, then, that a group such as TBUDL, which is so stringent about standards that could arguably be not-so-standard (cut marks, bottom posting, etc.) would go along with reply-to munging. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hello Vishal, On Thursday, November 20, 2003, 6:22:06 AM, you wrote: Hi Edgar Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 4:57:55 PM, you wrote: E - Is the mailing list address in the original header? Yes, it's in the To address field. You can then use: %TO= %TO=%OTOADDR This will take the original To address (the mailing list) and send makes it the new To address. If you like the name of the user in it you can use something like %To= %OFromFName %OToaddr -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.01.3, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what others say in a whole book. - Friedrich Nietzsche To request my public key select this url: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Custom headers?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Geordon, On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:12:26 -0600 (CST) (1:12 PM here), Geordon VanTassle [GV] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: GV Can someon etell me how I can add custome mail headers to my GV outgoing mail? I would like to use Habeus headers .. I'm not sure what Habeus headers are but you can create customized header this way: Options|Preferences|Message Headers Menu Press the Add button In the pop up box Display this header field as=X-blablabla RFC Name=x-blablabla This field is an address list=off Allow to edit this field in the Message Editor=on Display this field on the scrollable part of the header pane=on Save your changes In your New Message and Reply Templates (on either account, group, address book level), place the following: %SETHEADER(X-blablabla,this is the blablabla displayed data)%- If you would like to see this header if its contained in a message in your preview pane Header Box, go to View|Message Headers and place a check by your newly created header. Good luck. - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/vREERbTFvUNHmLkRAiX7AKCqT+1EGqi/u+n5yFH/HHGc7PXESACdGYu8 XYy/uxChBuwpQmj15qozZ70= =9efP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! is No.1 in my book.
David Boggon wrote: BTW are you using Xray to edit your headers ... just curious And does he really work for the organization: SDC ?? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Marck's SpamCop filters : (
Antje Lehmann wrote: I have put the filters into my sorting office and they seem to work fine. However, I'm encountering one problem: Whenever the spamcop.bat file is executed to start the browser it won't close by itself, and as long as it is still open TB! does not work properly. I have to close the DOS window by hand every time. Is the filter meant to be like that? Any idea how I could fix the problem? Thanks for your help! Try adding: start in the save template before the call to your browser. The modified save template would be: start c:\Programme\mozilla\mozilla.EXE %- http://%REGEXPTEXT=spamcop.net/sc\S*; cls It seems to work in XP, I don't know about Win98. -- George Using TB! 2.01.26 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?
ken green wrote: Is there a way you could reply privately to me without some method of copying and pasting or deleting an address? There is always going to be an extra step. In other words, there is no *direct* method to reply to the list sender only. Menu item Specials-Reply to the Sender (or Ctrl+F4) should do it. I just learned that a few days ago on one of these lists. -- George Using TB! 2.01.26 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?
Thursday, 11/20/2003, 1:11 PM Hi George, On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, at 12:57:17 [GMT -0800] (which was 12:57 PM where I live) you wrote about: 'Changing the Reply-To Header?' GM Menu item Specials-Reply to the Sender (or Ctrl+F4) should do it. GM I just learned that a few days ago on one of these lists. That doesn't include selected text. Not here anyway, I wish it did. -- Your communication is greatly appreciated, Paul David Lynch: Normalcy is a straight-away path to boredom. Powered by The Bat! v2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Attachment Name Problems
Julian- Thursday, November 20, 2003, 1:10:07 AM, you wrote: JBL ,- [ File Boundary - truncated file name] JBL | [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@11CBF JBL | Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=CRB JBL | Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 JBL `- I don't think this is TB's fault. Here's part of the header for a pdf file I received as an attachment. It came through fine. Spaces and punctuation and all. That octet-stream encoding may be the key, though. Content-Type: application/pdf; x-mac-type=50444620; x-mac-creator=4341524F; name=YOU ARE INVITED!.pdf Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: Unknown Document Content-Disposition: inline; filename=YOU ARE INVITED!.pdf -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?
George Mitchell wrote: Menu item Specials-Reply to the Sender (or Ctrl+F4) should do it. I just learned that a few days ago on one of these lists. Maybe with version 2, but Specials-Reply to Sender and Ctrl+F4 both produce a message with [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the To: field. Reply or F4 creates: To: George Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] And Reply All creates: To: George Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, as I posted, to send you a message privately, I would have to use Reply All, then delete the address entered in the Cc: field. So... think about that for a minute... In order to reply to someone privately and not send a message to the list, I have to jump through the hoops above. Not really a big deal, right? But go back through the archives of this list and look at the discussions about folder templates. Isn't the main argument against using folder templates the inherent risk of sending a PRIVATE message to the list - that the list address could inadvertently get put into a message where the user doesn't want it ??? Does anyone else see some inconsistent logic here? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: problems with yahoo attachments
Hello Vishal, On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 3:30:56 AM, you wrote: E I use Yahoopops and it's slow but I get the attachments (jpg E files) in one piece. E http://yahoopops.sourceforge.net/ Yes, I might have to give that a try. How about forwarded messages - do they come out ok? The ones I've tried are ok. The only thing that I have is that some messages seems to have double spacing in the text. But I did not find that as a bug on the side -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.01.3, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 All my life I wanted to be someone; I guess I should have been more specific. -- Jane Wagner To request my public key select this url: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
No default secred key error??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello All, I ran into something strange. I use TB as mail client. I have there some templates which I use when answering or sending a mail to a mailing list I sometimes see the pass phrase input screen for an mail address that I have and sometimes I see it for the mailing address of the list. Example When sending to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see my mail address. When sending to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see this mail address. On the second address I get an error: gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available I've traced it to the reply-to address. When I change this address from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I get the same error. I've also tested it with an other account (no templates there) When I change the reply to address the GnuPG will show the input screen for the address in the Reply to address. That leaves me with 2 questions: 1) why is he looking at the reply to address and not the from address. 2) why will some mailing lists in the reply to address show the right key (PGP-Basics) and others not (bird-pix). The first has something to do with GnuPG. The second has something to do with the templates in TB! I'll try the first with the pgp-basic group. But if any body knows an answer, I'll be greatfull. By the way with PGP I did not have this error. Here are the filters for the account with the templates. To create a new message (address book group account): In all addresses I have an handle to select a list they look like [listhandle] and on the memo tab there is a sign which indicates if it is an dutch or english mailing list. [NL] or [AM] === Begin template === %IF:%SETPATTREGEXP='\[.*\]'%REGEXPMATCH='%AbTOMemo'=[NL]:Hallo %TOFNAME,:Hello %TOFNAME, %CURSOR - -- %Qinclude=%AbTOHandle %IF:%AbTOHandle=[TBUDL]:%SUBJECT=:%IF:%AbTOHandle=[PGP-Basics]:%- %SUBJECT=:%IF:%AbTOHandle=[tbot]:%SUBJECT=:%SUBJECT=%SETPATTREGEXP='\[.*\]'%REGEXPMATCH='%AbTOHandle' %IF:%AbTOHandle=[TBUDL]::%nopgpmime %usepgp%- %signcomplete === End template === ***Here is the [PGP-BASICS] QT === Begin template === %IsSIGNATURE Cheers, %FROMFNAME Communicating with TB! v%THEBATVERSION, %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION.%WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION %WRAPPED=%COOKIE='D:\Quotes\files\coockie.txt' To request my public key select this url: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] %LANGUAGE=AM %ACCOUNT=Home News %REPLYTO=Edgar %TOADDR %SIGNCOMPLETE === End template === ***Here is the [birds-pix] QT === Begin template === %IsSIGNATURE Cheers, %FROMFNAME The Netherlands %WRAPPED=%COOKIE='D:\Quotes\files\coockie.txt' To request my public key select this url: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] %LANGUAGE=AM %ACCOUNT=Home News %REPLYTO=Edgar %TOADDR %SIGNCOMPLETE === End template === - -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.01.3, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Plain women are always jealous of their husbands. Beautiful women never are. They are always so occupied with being jealous of other women's husbands. - Oscar Wilde To request my public key select this url: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) iD8DBQE/t3KQT0+0QTJZ1GkRAqinAJ4jmlBXKhJ4EjV0kkUW3K4eJJp4DwCgv4qn ubnAgoZOEMRN0bU310B69J8= =xBgY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?
Hello ken, On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:46:30 -0600 GMT (21/11/2003, 04:46 +0700 GMT), ken green wrote: Maybe with version 2, but Specials-Reply to Sender and Ctrl+F4 both produce a message with [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the To: field. Not here. Crtl-F4 creates a message to your PM account. Reply or F4 creates: To: George Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Correct. And Reply All creates: To: George Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes. So, as I posted, to send you a message privately, I would have to use Reply All, then delete the address entered in the Cc: field. You can do that, but crtl-F4 works over here. @Paul: You are correct that crtl-F4 doesn't work with highlighted text. It used to, but that functionality has gotten lost soem versions back. It's a bug, I just haven't had time to add it to the BugTracker yet. This doesn't change the fact that the Reply-To for this lsit is set correctly to the list address, and it should be no other way. So... think about that for a minute... In order to reply to someone privately and not send a message to the list, I have to jump through the hoops above. Not really a big deal, right? No hoops here. I have the choice of either hitting crtl-enter to reply to the list, or crtl-F4 to reply to the author. But go back through the archives of this list and look at the discussions about folder templates. Isn't the main argument against using folder templates the inherent risk of sending a PRIVATE message to the list - that the list address could inadvertently get put into a message where the user doesn't want it ??? Correct. But that has nothing to do with my choice of crtl-enter vs crtl-F4. I don't use folder templates. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Bassist zum Schlagzeuger: Sag mal, was issen eigentlich eine Synkope? - Schlagzeuger: Deine Eins. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.01.26 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hi Roelof Thursday, November 20, 2003, 10:06:23 AM, you wrote: RO A folder template. damn :) RO There must be two %To macros, but if you look again, you'll see that RO the quotation marks are balanced. RO The %To macro adds an address to the To: header, the only exception is RO when you're using %To=, that clears the To: header. RO What the macro above does, could be placed on two lines: RO %TO=%- RO %TO=GnuPG Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] RO First you clear the To: header, then you add an address. ah ok..now it makes sense. The two quotation marks after the first %To are meant to represent an empty field. The way it was written, it wasn't clear. Thanks! Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hi Roelof Thursday, November 20, 2003, 10:08:28 AM, you wrote: RO That would be my way too, but you insisted on 'no folder templates'. RO ;-) Well, all Marck's admonitions on how evil they are were bound to have some effect! Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: problems with yahoo attachments
Hi Edgar Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 2:37:38 PM, you wrote: E The only thing that I have is that some messages seems to have E double spacing in the text. Yes I've noticed that too. I actually figured out how to view those 1.msg attachments. If you enable view RFC 822 headers then you can read them, albeit with all the irritating HTML tags in text form. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No default secred key error??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Edgar, On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:50:16 +0100 (7:50 AM here), Edgar [E] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: E I've traced it to the reply-to address. When I change this address E from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I get E the same error. Is it possible that you have more than one address book entry for bird-pix? - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/vXbaRbTFvUNHmLkRAgAcAKCcwbo2l4UX8rdrpiNaiqoVM+EQIACghFbD JWdU5xXnGtfoKsd/+ZvKBkM= =vDTY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?
Thomas Fernandez wrote: On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:46:30 -0600 GMT (21/11/2003, 04:46 +0700 GMT), ken green wrote: Maybe with version 2, but Specials-Reply to Sender and Ctrl+F4 both produce a message with [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the To: field. Not here. Crtl-F4 creates a message to your PM account. But you're also running 2.x, Ken's on 1.62. Since I can't find an option that controls this behavior I'm wondering if this was a change in v2. If I'm reading RFCs 822 2822 correctly, the v2 behavior would seem to be correct. -- George Using TB! 2.01.26 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?
ken green wrote: So, as I posted, to send you a message privately, I would have to use Reply All, then delete the address entered in the Cc: field. So... think about that for a minute... In order to reply to someone privately and not send a message to the list, I have to jump through the hoops above. In 2.x you can right-click on the From address in the header area of the message preview pane and select Reply to this address. Might work in 1.62 also. It doesn't do selective quoting though. -- George Using TB! 2.01.26 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?
George Mitchell wrote: In 2.x you can right-click on the From address in the header area of the message preview pane and select Reply to this address. Wow. Yes, you can do that in 1.62r. Very cool. Didn't know that. Thanks for the tip. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB and Hotmail Popper problems
Hi, I've been using TB with hotmail popper for a few days, to receive my msn mail, and am noticing that I get a lot of duplicate mails, and a bunch of ghost mails that are completely empty. No subject text, sender or recipient anywhere to be found. There is quite a number of them, and it's getting to the annoying point. TB tells me it received 12 mails, for example, but several of them are duplicated, and there are maybe four empty mails, adding up to quite a bit more than 12. Has anyone experienced something similar, or have a suggestion why this might be happening? -- Best regards, Susanne Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and Hotmail Popper problems
Hi Susanne, Thursday, November 20, 2003, 7:48:04 PM, you wrote: TB tells me it received 12 mails, for example, but several of them are duplicated, and there are maybe four empty mails, adding up to quite a bit more than 12. Actually, upon closer inspection it looks as if the empty mails *should* be regular mails, but somehow get wiped during the transport. It looks like I'm loosing quite a few messages! Does anyone know of another program like Hotmail Popper, that I could try instead? -- Best regards, Susannemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d OS: Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing the Reply-To Header?
Thomas Fernandez wrote: Not here. Crtl-F4 creates a message to your PM account. It's too bad this issue has strayed into the functionality specific to The Bat. (I realize I'm to blame as well...) The point is that regardless whether you *can* reply to author only, the fact remains that the way this list (and many others) is set up, it does not follow the logic of most e-mail clients. If we just look at the two *most common* forms of replies in 95% of e-mail clients out there (Reply and Reply to All), munging the Reply To address does, in fact, *take away* functionality rather than add it. Note that I'm not saying convenience - you could make a strong case for convenience, but what was pointed out in that article holds true with regard to Reply and Reply to All. The fact that The Bat can gracefully get around this is just testimony to The Bat's greatness - *NOT* evidence of the article's point being any less valid. This doesn't change the fact that the Reply-To for this lsit is set correctly to the list address, and it should be no other way. Not sure if there was an implied grin in your comment and it should be no other way but that's not exactly open-minded or fair. As previously noted, while I personally don't think forcing a Reply to list is a bad thing, I do find it interesting that it seems somewhat non-standard - at least against RFCs. To me, the argument for changing the reply address sounds like convenience and possibly that many other lists do it. The question I'm raising is why the double standard? Isn't the RFC/standard argument most often used for bottom quoting? No hoops here. I have the choice of either hitting crtl-enter to reply to the list, or crtl-F4 to reply to the author. Again, I'm arguing about the principle here - despite that TB isn't drastically affected. To me (and maybe I'm alone here...) it's still a standard violation to move away from the Reply and Reply All commands seen across most e-mail clients. This point (and really this whole argument) only caught my attention because of how often standards are brought up to defend some of the other choices of this list. I'm still confused as to why this list retains the name of the author, but puts the list address in the To: field. That's certainly not standard, is it? I'm not sending the message to the author, I'm sending it to the list. This reply is going to TBUDL - not Thomas Fernandez. E-mail sent to Thomas Fernandez should not be addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Someone explain that one to me... ;) But go back through the archives of this list and look at the discussions about folder templates. Isn't the main argument against using folder templates the inherent risk of sending a PRIVATE message to the list - that the list address could inadvertently get put into a message where the user doesn't want it ??? Correct. But that has nothing to do with my choice of crtl-enter vs crtl-F4. I don't use folder templates. If you use the method I described earlier, it have EVERYTHING to do with the point I brought up. And (gasp!) if someone is using a different e-mail client, they certainly run the risk of sending a private message to a mailing list using the Reply All method and forgetting to delete the list address. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
