Re[2]: Mail aliases

2004-10-01 Thread Cristina Ramos
Hello Marck,

Thursday, September 30, 2004, 10:34:25 PM, you wrote:

MDP> I do this by putting each of these subscripts into Quick Templates. I
MDP> then put the name of the QT containing the list specific suffix in the
MDP> AB entry for each, in the phone number field. My signature then looks
MDP> like this:

MDP> %if:"%ABtoPhone"<>"":"%qinclude(%ABtoPhone)"%-
MDP> %qinclude(vsig)

MDP> That means a single template works for all lists and the lists that
MDP> need extras, get them.

I am very interested in this conversation because I also belong to
lots mailing lists and write to lots of people with different sigs and
in different languages.

But I'm still learning macro language, and templates, and QTs, and
everything.

Let me see if I understood your idea. You create a ABGroup for the
several lists. You create a QT for each sig. You put the QT handle in
the phone number field, in the case you have a specific sig for that
group.

Now your macro: if the phone number field has some text in it, the QT
with that handle should be included, if not a QT with the handle vsig
is included. Is this right?

This macro should be written in the exact place I want the signature,
right?  Because I want the QT to be applied at that exact position. Is
this correct?

I am sorry for righting such a confusing text, but I am trying to see
if I understood this correctly.

Apart from the Help File, is there any other reference where I might
study the macro language and the Templates and QT?

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Re[2]: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Cristina Ramos
Hello Mica,

Friday, October 1, 2004, 7:09:25 PM, you wrote:

MM> Or should be:

MM> %SetHeader("X-Rogue",":michael_acklin:")%-

MM> ?

I think you're right. This is what Mark Partous wrote before, answering a
similar question from me:

It's best to put the following into your template:
%SetHeader("X-Rogue",":Puella63:")%-


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Having Trouble Closing TheBat

2004-10-01 Thread Michael Rudnick
I have been having trouble closing out TheBat. Sometimes when closing
it I get a Windows (XP) message that the program closed improperly.
Other times when I am shutting down the computer I notice that TheBat
is still running, even though I closed the program.

I did a little checking and noticed that sometimes after I close the
program it still shows up in the Task Manager. If I click on the icon
again, the computer chuggs for a bit and then the task ends. If I
click on the icon at this point, the program starts up.

Any idea as to what is happening here?

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Re: SPAM and Message-IDs

2004-10-01 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Alexander,

On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:27:12 +0200GMT (1-10-2004, 15:27 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

>> What do I do with the folder templates?  Delete everything that's in them?
ASK> By default there's only a "%BLANK" in them...

By default they're identical to your account template.

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Re: SPAM and Message-IDs

2004-10-01 Thread Allie Martin
Alexander S. Kunz, [ASK] wrote:

> By default there's only a "%BLANK" in them...

Really? I thought the default reply template was this:

,- /  \
| Hello %OFromFName,
| 
| %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote:
| 
| %Quotes
| %Cursor
| 
| -- 
| Best regards,
|  %FromFNamemailto:%FromAddr
`-

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Re: SPAM and Message-IDs

2004-10-01 Thread Allie Martin
Mark Partous, [MP] wrote:

> I bet I will manage to send messages to all sides of the world, except to the
> list  

> What do I do with the folder templates?  Delete everything that's in them?

Leave them alone. They're safe in their default state. They become
scary only when you start modifying them with %TO=,
%BCC= and %CC= macros.

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Re: IMAP - Folder count

2004-10-01 Thread Allie Martin
Chris Weaven, [CW] wrote:

CW>> Does this attachment appear odd to you?

> Ok, no image attached for some reason & it was only 4kb!?

Attachments aren't allowed on TBUDL.

However, with regards to the captured image, it would appear that the
Inbox isn't yet finished properly syc'ing with the server.

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Re: What is "Display current part size" ?

2004-10-01 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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>> When you click right on header, you can see "Display current part
>> size" ? If I check this option, I can see a number. What is the
>> signification of this number ?

> Its the size of the message body in bytes. If a message contains multiple
> parts, its the size of the part you are currently viewing (but you guessed
> that, did you).

I think that WilWilWil wanted to say that this number of bytes doesn't
match the number of bytes when the message body is copied to a text
editor. True. It seems that in TB few bytes are "hidden". Or that TB
cannot count correctly. (-: Example: the original message of yours has,
by TB, 831 byte, but copied in UltraEdit it shows 829.

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Re: IMAP - Folder count

2004-10-01 Thread Chris Weaven
Hi Chris,

On Friday, October 1, 2004 21:37 our local time, Chris Weaven [CW]
wrote;

CW> Does this attachment appear odd to you?

Ok, no image attached for some reason & it was only 4kb!?

Anyway, try here;

http://www.w-world.net/forum_images/IMAP_Count.gif
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IMAP - Folder count

2004-10-01 Thread Chris Weaven
Hi all,

Does this attachment appear odd to you?

I often see the attached and have to click between folders before it
ever levels out.

FYI - There is no other folders with any count in other than total.
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Re: What is "Display current part size" ?

2004-10-01 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello WilWilWil & everyone else

01-Okt-2004 19:48, you wrote:

> When you click right on header, you can see  "Display current part size" ?
> If I check this option, I can see a number. What is the signification of this number 
> ?

Its the size of the message body in bytes. If a message contains multiple
parts, its the size of the part you are currently viewing (but you guessed
that, did you).

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Re: Unicode support?

2004-10-01 Thread David M. Dickerson
Hello, Edvinas.
On Thursday, 30 September 2004, you wrote:
EM> I am very pesimistic regarding unicode support.
EM> It was promised for years, but promises just
EM> left promises.
I realize that TBUDL is not a forum for complaining, ;-)
but, in all candor, I share your pessimism about The Bat!
ever supporting Unicode.
In fact, the lack of Unicode support is the main reason
that I still am evaluating The Bat! and cannot "get off
the fence" and decide whether or not to register it, or
to use another, less powerful, e-mail client, such as
Thunderbird, which does offer Unicode support.
I first used The Bat! in March 2000, when I was teaching
an HTML workshop to teachers in Kiev (Kyiv), Ukraine. I
had never heard of The Bat! before, but I liked the program,
based upon this brief exposure to it. (In addition, I am
drawn to ANY Windows e-mail client that offers security.)
If I did not have so many friends in Ukraine and Russia, the
issue of Unicode support would be of little importance to me,
but these friends appreciate me using even a little bit of
Russian (particularly, my fiancee, in Odessa), even if my
Russian IS rudimentary and incoherent at times. :-)

I would register The Bat! immediately, if I thought that the
program would actually support Unicode someday, but the few
responses I have received from the developers lead me to be
very pessimistic, indeed.

Cordially,
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Re[2]: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread WilWilWil
==Original message text===
From: Thomas Fernandez 
To: "Thorvald Neumann on TBUDL" 
Date: Friday, October 1, 2004, 6:58:40 PM
Subject: Rogues pics
TF> Hello Thorvald,

TF> On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:06:11 +0200 GMT (01/10/2004, 23:06 +0700 GMT),
TF> Thorvald Neumann wrote:

TN>> It now works as in my previous install.

TF> Good to hear.


===End of original message text===
:-(  Not working for me...

rogues.msl and rogues folder in TB\images and "Show Photo" checked, but nothing !

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Re: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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> You use your rogue-handle in a template (I have mine in a folder
> template):

> %SetHeader("X-Rogue",":michael_acklin:")

Or should be:

%SetHeader("X-Rogue",":michael_acklin:")%-

?

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Re: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Fri, 1 Oct 2004,
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> Thanks Mica,

> Finally figured it out right before you sent your message. But I am
> still unsure of the "X-Rogue" header. I went to
> options/preferences/message headers and added a new one like "X-Rogue:
> :michael_acklin:

> Was that right?

Hm, nope. making this new message header, in both boxes you should type
"X-Rogue", AND in your folder template you should add this:

%SetHeader("X-Rogue",":michael_acklin:")%-

> And thanks for your reply I can see your pic now! And everyone else.

Welcome. (-: I'm waiting to see the yours. (-:

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Re: Rogues pics, without '*** GMX Spamverdacht ***' :-)

2004-10-01 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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> Hæ!

> Friday, October 1, 2004, 17:27, Michael Acklin wrote:
>> Finally figured it out. You have to put the rogues.msl and rogues
>> directory in the "Images" director in the Bat! folder. Here's my set
>> up now...

> Ah... now it works again...

> BTW, anybody know how to rewrite the subject line without "*** GMX
> Spamverdacht ***"?

You could do that with X-ray .

For a POP server you do...

Filter action: Replace
Kludge name: Subject
Kludge value: $CutStr($Subject, *** GMX Spamverdacht ***)

...and will just cut off this part in subject field.

Although it could be done manualy, if you do not receive just a lot of
false positives. (-:

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Re: Allow 8 bit characters in header ?

2004-10-01 Thread Edvinas Matiušaitis
Hello WilWilWil,

On Friday, October 1, 2004, at 20:52 Lithuanian Time, you wrote:

W> I suppose it means that you can see accentuated characters in Object field of 
mails...

W> But...
W> ...It means I can put accentuated characters in the object of  my new
W> mails I'm creating, or it means others can send me accentuated object
W> e-mails ?

No, it does mean none of above.

It means that 8 bit characters in headers will be transmitted as they are.

If you don't allow 8 bit characters in header, 8 bit characters will be
converted to 7 bit characters using either Quoted printable or base64.
However user in the other end will see those 8 bit characters normally,
because his email program will convert those headers back from 7 bit to 8
bit characters.

This is done because 8 bit characters in headers violate some RFCs.

More correct way to send emails is not allow 8 bit characters in headers.

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Allow 8 bit characters in header ?

2004-10-01 Thread WilWilWil
Io,

I suppose it means that you can see accentuated characters in Object field of mails...

But...
...It means I can put accentuated characters in the object of  my new mails I'm 
creating, or it means others can send me accentuated object e-mails ?

Thanks

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Re[3]: Russian/Cyrillic Signature File in The Bat! 3.0

2004-10-01 Thread David M. Dickerson
'Zdravstvujte', Maksym.
Thank you for your message. I must have missed your reply
in the TBUDL, which I receive in digest form, but I am not
sure why I did not receive your personal e-mail. ('Izvinite,
pozhalujsta'.)
In my original message, I wrote that I could not get a
Unicode, KOI-8-encoded signature text file to work with
The Bat! 3.0.
On Thursday, 30 September 2004, you suggest, Maksym:
MK> Well, I would consider the following as a possible
MK> solution. Save your signature file as non-Unicode
MK> Windows Cyrillic. Use some (re-)encoding software to
MK> make it KOI-8. Use %COOKIE="C:\pushkin-signature-your-
MK> plain-non-unicode-koi8-r.txt" :).
MK>
MK> I personally would recommend Decode by Boris
MK> Berdichevskiy,
MK> http://www.borisba.com/~borisba/decode21.zip
I appreciate your suggestion, Maksym, and I have downloaded
Boris Berdichevski's Decode 2.1, and will install it and try
your suggestion. I will report back to the list, Maksym,
with the results of my test. (Thank you, however, for your
offer to send me the program via e-mail!)
If your suggestion works with recipients running Windows, it
will indeed solve the problem with my friends in Ukraine and
Russia, who all use Windows 98SE. I assume, however, that the
"re-encoding" will cause problems for people running other
platforms, but perhaps The Bat! actually will eventually support
Unicode.
Finally, Maksym, I find it interesting that Boris works in
Tel-Aviv, because I have a friend who teaches and lives in
Tel-Aviv, as well as several friends in that part of Israel.
Thank you again, Maksym! ('Spasibo'!) :-)
'Vsego horoshego'!
Cordially,
David
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cool. The last report that I got from Odessa was of typical
autumn temperatures for Odessa. (This weekend, the high
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What is "Display current part size" ? "Display current part size" ? "Display current part size" ? "Display current part size" ?

2004-10-01 Thread WilWilWil
Io,

When you click right on header, you can see  "Display current part size" ?

If I check this option, I can see a number. What is the signification of this number ?

I thought it was number of characters and spaces, but when I copy content of a mail in 
ASCII editor, or Winword, and ask for statistics, the number is never the same...

So, what is this number ?

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Re: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Thorvald,

On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:06:11 +0200 GMT (01/10/2004, 23:06 +0700 GMT),
Thorvald Neumann wrote:

TN> It now works as in my previous install.

Good to hear.

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Re: Registration

2004-10-01 Thread Anne
On Friday, October 1, 2004, 6:11:20 AM, Lawrence wrote in message:
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
L> I'm not sure where the "base" is.  Where do I find it?


Lawrence, do you have a note of your serial number? If so you
need to go to the Ritlabs page here and generate your
registration details:

https://support.ritlabs.com/authreg.htm

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Re: Re[2]: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread MAU
Hello Thorvald,

> BTW, anybody know how to rewrite the subject line without "*** GMX
> Spamverdacht ***"?

Yes, highlight *** GMX Spamverdacht *** with your mouse and delete it,
like I just did :)

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Re: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re[2]: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ!

Friday, October 1, 2004, 17:46, Michael Acklin wrote:
> Was that right?

It has to be

Display as: Rogues
RFC-Name_ X-Rogue
Allow to edit...: yes
Display...: yes

IIRC, it is already there.

You use your rogue-handle in a template (I have mine in a folder
template):

%SetHeader("X-Rogue",":michael_acklin:")

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Re: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ!

Friday, October 1, 2004, 17:45, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
> Right-click on the header pane. Choose Sender Photo / Display.

This wasn't the problem. The problem was, the rogues-files weren't
placed into /images.

It now works as in my previous install.

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Re[2]: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Michael Acklin
Hello Mica,

Friday, October 1, 2004, 10:36:08 AM, you wrote:

> rogues.msl should be on a path like this:

> "c:\Program Files\The Bat!\images\rogues.msl"

> and the folder "rogues" should be subfolder of "images".

Thanks Mica,

Finally figured it out right before you sent your message. But I am
still unsure of the "X-Rogue" header. I went to
options/preferences/message headers and added a new one like "X-Rogue:
:michael_acklin:

Was that right?

And thanks for your reply I can see your pic now! And everyone else.


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Re: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Thorvald,

On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:10:09 +0200 GMT (01/10/2004, 17:10 +0700 GMT),
Thorvald Neumann wrote:

TN> Hmmmh, I do not see any rogue-pics in my mail header pane.

Right-click on the header pane. Choose Sender Photo / Display.

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Re: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re[2]: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ!

Friday, October 1, 2004, 17:27, Michael Acklin wrote:
> Finally figured it out. You have to put the rogues.msl and rogues
> directory in the "Images" director in the Bat! folder. Here's my set
> up now...

Ah... now it works again...

BTW, anybody know how to rewrite the subject line without "*** GMX
Spamverdacht ***"?

My meagre attempts at %SETPATTREGEXP do not work.

Or everybody can just disable their X-Mailer setting... ;)

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Re: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re[2]: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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> Hello Thorvald,

> Friday, October 1, 2004, 9:38:41 AM, you wrote:

>> If you get it to work, tell me how.

>> I had it working in my previous installation, but after a fresh
>> reinstall, the rogues will not work.

> Welp, No luck on this end.

> I placed the \rogues directory in the Bat! directory and the
> rogues.msl file in the Bat! directory. But no luck with the Sig Pic
> showing up. I have the Sender Photo/Display Photo checked in the
> Header pane.

> It looks like the rogues.msl is a macro of some kind but do not know
> how to activate it. Looked at it in a text editor and couldn't find
> anything to said how to get it going. Oh well.

> Maybe someone will help us out...

rogues.msl should be on a path like this:

"c:\Program Files\The Bat!\images\rogues.msl"

and the folder "rogues" should be subfolder of "images".

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Re[2]: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Michael Acklin
Hello Thorvald,

Friday, October 1, 2004, 9:38:41 AM, you wrote:

> If you get it to work, tell me how.

> I had it working in my previous installation, but after a fresh
> reinstall, the rogues will not work.

Finally figured it out. You have to put the rogues.msl and rogues
directory in the "Images" director in the Bat! folder. Here's my set
up now...

C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Images\Rogues with the rogues.msl in the
Images Directory...

Hope this helps...


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Re[2]: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re[2]: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Michael Acklin
Hello Thorvald,

Friday, October 1, 2004, 9:38:41 AM, you wrote:

> If you get it to work, tell me how.

> I had it working in my previous installation, but after a fresh
> reinstall, the rogues will not work.

Welp, No luck on this end.

I placed the \rogues directory in the Bat! directory and the
rogues.msl file in the Bat! directory. But no luck with the Sig Pic
showing up. I have the Sender Photo/Display Photo checked in the
Header pane.

It looks like the rogues.msl is a macro of some kind but do not know
how to activate it. Looked at it in a text editor and couldn't find
anything to said how to get it going. Oh well.

Maybe someone will help us out...


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Re: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re[2]: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread MAU
Hello Thorvald,

Can you please try to remove the "*** GMX Spamverdacht ***" from the
Subject of your replies?

Thanks :)

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Re: NFS multiple questions

2004-10-01 Thread Gerard

ON Thursday, September 30, 2004, 5:38:29 PM, you wrote:
RO> YMMV But I've never considered the pasted filters from the OFS very
RO> readable either.

But they are/were more readable then the NFS version, which I consider
unreadable and unusable. At least the copy and paste function still works.

G>> It is certainly no help in debugging.

RO> What debugging do you need? All conditions are on one page, the
RO> actions are on the second, you don't have to scroll down anymore to
RO> see what actions you might have set. You got rid of the alternative
RO> and advanced pages with extra conditions, you can see in one sweep
RO> what's wrong with the conditions.


What I have done is open to filters next to each other in separate
notepads and compare them that way. You would notice the failing setting
in an instant.

But hey, I am a very weird but creative person ;-)


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Re: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re[2]: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ!

Friday, October 1, 2004, 16:15, Michael Acklin wrote:
> Thanks Thorvald. Got it installed and now trying to get it to work.

If you get it to work, tell me how.

I had it working in my previous installation, but after a fresh
reinstall, the rogues will not work.

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Re[2]: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Michael Acklin
Hello Thorvald,

Friday, October 1, 2004, 7:38:33 AM, you wrote:

> Hæ!

> Friday, October 1, 2004, 14:19, Michael Acklin wrote:
>> Like I said, I know I had seen this before, but it has been so long
>> ago that I can't remember where I saw it.

> 

Thanks Thorvald. Got it installed and now trying to get it to work.


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Re: SPAM and Message-IDs (was: Re: How to filter such a message?)

2004-10-01 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Lynn,

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:17:47 -0700 GMT (01/10/2004, 07:17 +0700 GMT),
Lynn wrote:

L> Am writing off list,

And I guess you're using a folder template? 

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Re[2]: SPAM and Message-IDs

2004-10-01 Thread Mark Partous

Hello Alexander,

Friday, October 1, 2004, 3:27:12 PM, you wrote:

>> What do I do with the folder templates?  Delete everything that's in them?

ASK> By default there's only a "%BLANK" in them...

I didn't find a folder with such a reply template... Not even those that I
created recently and of which I'm sure I didn't edit the template...


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Re[2]: SPAM and Message-IDs

2004-10-01 Thread Mark Partous

Hello Allie,

Friday, October 1, 2004, 2:38:10 PM, you wrote:

AM> You really don't need a folder template for lists like TBUDL that
AM> insert the list address in the reply to header for each message it
AM> sends to members.

Actualy, I'm testing now. I'll try to send one message to the list and one to
you.

This one should go to the list.

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Re: SPAM and Message-IDs

2004-10-01 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Mark Partous & everyone else

01-Okt-2004 15:17, you wrote:

> What do I do with the folder templates?  Delete everything that's in them?

By default there's only a "%BLANK" in them...

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Re[2]: SPAM and Message-IDs

2004-10-01 Thread Mark Partous

Hello Allie,

Friday, October 1, 2004, 2:38:10 PM, you wrote:

AM> You need only create a single address book entry with the list address
AM> as the entries address. Name the entry TBUDL. Create the templates you
AM> need to use for the list. You can use whatever specialized template
AM> you wish and it will never create a problem for private messaging to
AM> members. It doesn't matter what folder the list message ends up in
AM> either. Your specialized templates will always be triggered as needed.
AM> It's the advantage of address book templates not being bound to
AM> folders that attracts me to them. I use them when I can.

I bet I will manage to send messages to all sides of the world, except to the
list :-)

What do I do with the folder templates?  Delete everything that's in them?

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Re: SPAM and Message-IDs

2004-10-01 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ!

Friday, October 1, 2004, 14:38, Allie Martin wrote:
> It's the advantage of address book templates not being bound to
> folders that attracts me to them. I use them when I can.

I see your (and now Marck's) point.

But Marck's inability to express what he means, led to this confusion.

There are a dozen possibilities to achieve the same "effect" in TB. I
just illustrated the method which I use and which works reasonably
well (== for a reasonable, responsible user).

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Re: SPAM and Message-IDs

2004-10-01 Thread Allie Martin
Thorvald Neumann, [TN] wrote:

> I guess this is what Marck wanted to tell us, isn't it? >;)

Indeed, it was. So it wasn't a lecture against any sort of use of
Folder Templates use. Folder templates are OK until you start adding
macros that insert addresses in the various fields, i.e., To, CC or
BCC. It can be a serious source of embarrassment since we are
invariably tired at times or just rushing for some reason.

You really don't need a folder template for lists like TBUDL that
insert the list address in the reply to header for each message it
sends to members.

You need only create a single address book entry with the list address
as the entries address. Name the entry TBUDL. Create the templates you
need to use for the list. You can use whatever specialized template
you wish and it will never create a problem for private messaging to
members. It doesn't matter what folder the list message ends up in
either. Your specialized templates will always be triggered as needed.
It's the advantage of address book templates not being bound to
folders that attracts me to them. I use them when I can.

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Re: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ!

Friday, October 1, 2004, 14:19, Michael Acklin wrote:
> Like I said, I know I had seen this before, but it has been so long
> ago that I can't remember where I saw it.



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Re[2]: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Michael Acklin
Hello Thorvald,

Friday, October 1, 2004, 6:43:14 AM, you wrote:

> Hæ!

Hi Thorvald and all,

I apologize for asking this, but I am at a loss. I know that I have
seen how to do this, but for the life of me, I can not find the file
telling how to install the rogue pics. I have looked in the TBMAQ, The
web site FAQ, the Forums, have done a search for Rogue, Photo, Sender,
ect, but can not find out how to do this.

Like I said, I know I had seen this before, but it has been so long
ago that I can't remember where I saw it.

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Re: SPAM and Message-IDs

2004-10-01 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ!

Friday, October 1, 2004, 13:40, Allie Martin wrote:
> Select my message. Now go to the Specials Menu and select
> "Reply to Original Sender".

Who did place it there? ;)

> The %To macro, when placed in a folder's reply template, will override
> this 'Reply to original sender' operation by either removing the
> original senders address and replacing it with the address defined by
> the %To macro or adding the address.

Yes, I know how this works. I have experimented with that before.

> %To="address"  adds the address in the macro

> %To=""%To="%ofromname '<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'"  removes the
> address and changes it to the list address.

> This will catch the passing user.

> For new messages, the same problem lies when using mailto: url's
> within messages.

> If you add %To="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" to your folder's new message
> template, it will add the list address to the generated new message

I guess this is what Marck wanted to tell us, isn't it? >;)

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Re: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ!

Friday, October 1, 2004, 13:37, Roelof Otten wrote:
> Right mouse click on the header pane
>  -> Sender photo -> display sender

It is enabled, but no pic is appearing.

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Re: SPAM and Message-IDs

2004-10-01 Thread Allie Martin
Thorvald Neumann, [TN] wrote:

> There is no "Reply to original sender".

Select my message. Now go to the Specials Menu and select
"Reply to Original Sender". You can access this by simply hitting
CTRL-F4. You've generated a message addressed to me and not to the
reply-to address which is the list address.

The %To macro, when placed in a folder's reply template, will override
this 'Reply to original sender' operation by either removing the
original senders address and replacing it with the address defined by
the %To macro or adding the address.

%To="address"  adds the address in the macro

%To=""%To="%ofromname '<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'"  removes the
address and changes it to the list address.

This will catch the passing user.

For new messages, the same problem lies when using mailto: url's
within messages.

If you add %To="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" to your folder's new message
template, it will add the list address to the generated new message

If you're not always vigilant, these macros will get you eventually.

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Re: Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Thorvald,

On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:10:09 +0200GMT (1-10-2004, 12:10 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

TN> Hmmmh, I do not see any rogue-pics in my mail header pane.

Right mouse click on the header pane
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Re: How to set font ?

2004-10-01 Thread Allie Martin
Spam, [S] wrote:

> Ah yes, it may depend on which editor you use. MicroED or variable
> width such as the HTML one. Try setting Windows to use the Bitstream
> Vera Sans for menu's (I usually increase size from 8 to 10 for
> Vera). It does look goon on my machine. =)

Tried it. Don't like it. The spacing between the letters is not good.
It's too variable and, at times, tacky.

BTW, since I read the lists, there's no need to CC your replies to my
personal Inbox. Furthermore, the private mails being sent are from
'Spam', so I treat them as just that ... spam.

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Re: How to set font ?

2004-10-01 Thread Allie Martin
Alexander S. Kunz, [ASK] wrote:

> I'm using "Lucida Sans Typewriter" as fixedwidth font in TB! and its
> the best I've found so far (been using the "Anonymous" and the
> "Monaco" fonts before but they don't have local characters like ä ö ü
> or the Euro symbol "¤" and such). The only thing I'm missing is the
> strike-through on the "zero" vs. the big "O". 0O0O. Hmmm.

Monaco has that. I'm addicted to this one which has since overthrown
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Re: SPAM and Message-IDs

2004-10-01 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ!

Friday, October 1, 2004, 12:20, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
> I don't know how you write private replies if you need to
> (off-list)...

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Re: SPAM and Message-IDs

2004-10-01 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ!

Friday, October 1, 2004, 12:11, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
> Then you're still not listening :-).

I guess I do not get what you mean... ;)

> Not when you use the "Reply to sender" function.

Of course. If I hit "Reply", it automatically uses the
Reply-To-address. At least in my TB!-version... Doesn't matter if I
click or use CTRL + F5.

If I use "Reply to all", the sender is placed in To:, the list address
in CC. Shift + CTRL + F5.

There is no "Reply to original sender".

That's what is happening here for years now.

I do not see what this should have to do with folder templates.

> The only "bad thing" that TB does with it is to munge the list
> address with the recipient name.

So you agree to my point? ;)

Yes, but what's wrong with it? It gives a nice overview who wrote what
on the list.

> Let me teach people to use the software safely without misguided
> misdirection.

Sorry, I see your lecture as a completely misguided and this leads to
great confusion.

Perhaps you should work on your wording and make it more userfriendly.

> This is frowned upon.

By who?

> You're talking about your innocuous templates and thus using
> incomplete understanding of the issues.

I guess it is time to set up a kill filter just for Marck.

It is quite offensive to tell someone he is an idiot.

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Re: SPAM and Message-IDs

2004-10-01 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Thorvald,

Friday, October 1, 2004, 11:49:32 AM, you wrote:

> And I do not see any reason to include a %TO-macro in my mailinglist
> folder templates.

I don't know how you write private replies if you need to (off-list),
but: with a folder template for replies that mangles the "TO" field
(in the style of %TO=""%TO="tbudl...") you end up with a listmail
*even* if you right-click the senders mailaddress in the header pane
and choose "reply to this address", and THATS the problem with folder
templates - and it was *perfectly* :) illustrated by Lynn's mail.

If you have a high awareness of what you're doing, any time, all the
time, you may very well choose to do so, thats your problem, but for
the majority of users it is a trap most everyone will stumble into
completely unaware, resulting in "oops, this message should've been
off list" excuses (and possible embarrassing details of private
conversations) on the list.

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Re: SPAM and Message-IDs

2004-10-01 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Dear Thorvald,

@1-Oct-2004, 11:49 +0200 (01-Oct 10:49 UK time) Thorvald Neumann [TN]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:

>> I have already explained that you are wrong about this.

TN> I am not wrong on this. YMMV.

Then you're still not listening :-).

TN> TB functions in that way that it choses the Reply-To of a message
TN> to figure out who the receiver should be.

Not when you use the "Reply to sender" function. That's what Lynn did.
And it would have worked too, but then her folder template put her
right back to square one!

TN> And when the Reply-To is [EMAIL PROTECTED], it sends it there.

Erm ... it's supposed to! That's not a TB behaviour - it's an *all
email software* behaviour. And it's what *should* happen. And it's a
good thing too. The only "bad thing" that TB does with it is to munge
the list address with the recipient name.

This has nothing to do with replying off-list and won't stop you doing
so in any way, shape or form. The Reply-to logic has no effect on the
"Reply to sender" function. That takes a folder template to mess it
up!!! Folder templates are the only thing that stop "Reply to sender"
from working properly. Ergo - folder templates have dangers.

TN> Even without folder templates. And I do not think it is a design
TN> flaw of TB.

You're not thinking Thorvald. You're just defending your position.
Stop digging, man! Let me teach people to use the software safely
without misguided misdirection. My stock lecture also warned about
people who say "it works for me". Let me do this job in peace, please.
You have already mislead Lynn into unwarranted complacency.

TN> And I do not see any reason to include a %TO-macro in my
TN> mailinglist folder templates.

That's why it all works for you. And also it's why your postings state
that the people you are writing to have the address of the mailing
list. This is frowned upon.

You're talking about a very simple folder template. I'm talking about
a folder template /that changes the TO address/. Your templates are
not dangerous. That's not the rule though. I'm talking about the rule.
You're talking about your innocuous templates and thus using
incomplete understanding of the issues.

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Rogues pics

2004-10-01 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hejsan!

Hmmmh, I do not see any rogue-pics in my mail header pane.

I have the pics (/rogues) and the rogues.msl in my TB-folder. The
X-Rogue is also defined in TB. Sender photo is enabled.

Any ideas?

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Re: Unicode support?

2004-10-01 Thread Kevin Amazon
Hi Thorvald Neumann

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On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, at 07:53:03 [GMT +0200] (which was 10:53 PM where
I live) you wrote:

> That's what they told me when 1.xx was around... ;)

Exactly!


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Re: SPAM and Message-IDs

2004-10-01 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ!

Friday, October 1, 2004, 11:28, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
> I have already explained that you are wrong about this.

I am not wrong on this. YMMV.

TB functions in that way that it choses the Reply-To of a message to
figure out who the receiver should be. And when the Reply-To is
[EMAIL PROTECTED], it sends it there. Even without folder templates. And I do
not think it is a design flaw of TB.

And I do not see any reason to include a %TO-macro in my mailinglist
folder templates.

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Re: Tool tips in Message pane

2004-10-01 Thread MAU
Hello Cristina,

> So that's why I had never seen them. I always have all messages
> displayed.

See my reply to Thorvald.

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Re: Tool tips in Message pane

2004-10-01 Thread MAU
Hello Thorvald,

> I never needed the "view only"-options in the last five years, so I
> did not notice there are tooltips...

It is a useful option some times, specially if used with the Alt+Click
selection. For example, Atl+Click on an unread (yellow) envelope icon
and you will display only unread messages. Or alt+click on the Park
icon, etc. Then to return to display all just hit Esc key.

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Re: SPAM and Message-IDs

2004-10-01 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Dear Thorvald,

@1-Oct-2004, 09:22 +0200 (01-Oct 08:22 UK time) Thorvald Neumann [TN]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Alexander:

TN> It is not the fault of the folder template,

Please stop.

I have already explained that you are wrong about this. Now you are
giving advice based on your incorrect assumptions.

TN> it's the reply-to setting of the message

It isn't. It is because of a folder template overriding that setting.
Your folder templates aren't doing any "to" address modification. Did
you even bother to *read* my lecture? No, you can't have done.

TN> plus user's awareness to do the right things at the right time...
TN> *veg*

That's what my message also said. Please read it again.

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Re: Unicode support?

2004-10-01 Thread Edvinas Matiušaitis
Hello Thorvald,

On Friday, October 1, 2004, at 08:53 Lithuanian Time, you wrote:

TN> That's what they told me when 1.xx was around... ;)

Exactly!

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Re: SPAM and Message-IDs (was: Re: How to filter such a message?)

2004-10-01 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ!

Friday, October 1, 2004, 08:22, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
> Caught by the folder template! *veg*

It is not the fault of the folder template, it's the reply-to setting
of the message plus user's awareness to do the right things at the
right time... *veg*

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