Re[2]: ISP's Blocking TheBat

2006-07-13 Thread Goncalo Farias
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

rg Once upon a time some spammer(s) did choose to use TB! due to it's
rg configuriblity. This lead to some ISPs decision to simply ban TB!
rg traffic than to expend any effort toward better filters. This practice
rg is seeming hard coded into some ISPs' thinking (/or hardware software
rg even maybe) to this day.

IAW I suppose on that basis, Outlook Express should be absolutely high on
IAW the list of such programs then.

My thought exactly! :)

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Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat

2006-07-13 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Dear Rich,

@12-Jul-2006, 22:50 -0400 (13-Jul 03:50 here) rich gregory [RG] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

... snip
RG Once upon a time some spammer(s) did choose to use TB! due to it's
RG configuriblity.

Untrue. There was a spam remailer software package that offered a The
Bat! X-Mailer header as one of its camouflage options. Along with
Outlook Express and a few others. The spam was sent by this mean and
not by The Bat!, making ignorant ISP techs react in an insane manner.

http://www.ritlabs.com/ru/products/thebat/advice_detail.php?ID=189

This URL should be passed on to any ISP found to be arbitrarily
banning TB messages.

... snip
IAW Maybe RITLabs needs to allow the user to enter whatever text they want
IAW there!

RG Wasn't there an .EXE hack for TB! some versions ago, before that
RG option made it's way into TB!, that would allow you to do just
RG that?

The option exists freely and I have use it. Check my headers.

I suppress the X-Mailer header by the configuration option and use
this macro:

%SetHeader(User-agent,TB/%THEBATVERSION (by RITlabs))%-

To insert my own variant. I am proud to use TB, but have to
acknowledge that some very poorly educated ISPs out there are behaving
irresponsibly.

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Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat

2006-07-13 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Thursday, July 13, 2006, 4:50:42, rich gregory wrote:

 Once upon a time some spammer(s) did choose to use TB! due to it's
 configuriblity. 

Actually, some spamware uses TB's X-Mailer header, which caused the
confusion.

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help with creating toolbars please

2006-07-13 Thread m2gdh
Hi all,


I have been using the bat for years but have just got started trying to 
configure it. 

I am having trouble with containers on the toolbars I have created.. 

I click the create new container item icon and it added to the layout panel. 
What I can't work out is how to populate it. 
For example I want view modes to show as a drop drown and not as separate 
buttons. 
Can anyone point me to some documentation or explain how to do this please. 

Also, is it possible to have a toolbar button that toggles the view of another 
toolbar ? 


many thanks 


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How to attach a picture

2006-07-13 Thread Elodie Trouche-Perrin
Hello TBUDL,

I would like to know how to INSERT a picture (a jpeg) in the body of
the email.

So when someone opens the email they don't have to actually click on
the jpeg to open it.


Many thanks!

Elodie

Elodie Trouche-Perrin
Steven Kasher Gallery
521 West 23rd Street 2nd floor
New York, NY 10011

Tel. 212 966 3978 
Fax. 212 226 1485

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: How to attach a picture

2006-07-13 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Elodie,

on Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:40:23 -0400GMT (13.07.2006, 17:40 +0200GMT here),
Elodie Trouche-Perrin wrote:

ETP I would like to know how to INSERT a picture (a jpeg) in the body of
ETP the email.

You have to create an HTML mail for this. At the bottom of the editor
window right click the entry Plain Text and select HTML or
HTML/Plain Text. Then you'll be given the options to format the text
or insert pictures.

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Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat

2006-07-13 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello »Q«  everyone else,

on 13-Jul-2006 at 03:46 you (»Q«) wrote:

 FWIW, of the 189 spam e-mails in my kill log for today, 9 are
 pretending to be from The Bat!, so it's still going on.

Erm. The only thing still going on is that spammers fake their mass
mailings' X-Mailer header - and it will probably be that way as long as
spam exists.

The logic of ISPs blocking mails according to the content of the
X-Mailer header is beyond any comprehension - how many of your 189 spam
e-mails claim to be created by Outlook/Outlook Express?

Conclusion: I'd ask the ISP that blocks TB messages to block all
Outlook/Outlook Express messages as well.

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Re: How to attach a picture

2006-07-13 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Thursday, July 13, 2006, 10:40:23 AM, Elodie Trouche-Perrin wrote:

 I would like to know how to INSERT a picture (a jpeg)

If you choose to create an HTML message, it is a piece of cake.

format/insert image


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Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat

2006-07-13 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Alexander,

on Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:25:34 +0200GMT (13.07.2006, 18:25 +0200GMT here),
Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

ASK The logic of ISPs blocking mails according to the content of the
ASK X-Mailer header is beyond any comprehension - how many of your 189 spam
ASK e-mails claim to be created by Outlook/Outlook Express?

ASK Conclusion: I'd ask the ISP that blocks TB messages to block all
ASK Outlook/Outlook Express messages as well.

I have the same problem here with the German ISP 1und1.de.

I corresponded with their support about this, but they insisted on the
header being forged, because their spam filter reported
FORGED_MUA_THEBAT_CS. I had to disable their filter for one account.

Peculiarly it only happens with the German lists, and then mostly, but
not restricted, to users of TB! v1.x or 2.x. For the English lists I
only have to whitelist the senders with (too many) numerals in their
address. The TB! header doesn't seem to matter... hmm

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Re[2]: How to attach a picture

2006-07-13 Thread Elodie Trouche-Perrin
Hello Dwight,

thanks for your reply but where do i find Format

Best,
Elodie

Elodie Trouche-Perrin
Steven Kasher Gallery 
521 West 23rd Street  2nd floor
New York, NY 10011

Tel. 212 966 3978
Fax. 212 226 1485

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.stevenkasher.com
-

Thursday, July 13, 2006, 12:03:15 PM, you wrote:

 On Thursday, July 13, 2006, 10:40:23 AM, Elodie Trouche-Perrin wrote:

 I would like to know how to INSERT a picture (a jpeg)

 If you choose to create an HTML message, it is a piece of cake.

 format/insert image





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Re[2]: How to attach a picture

2006-07-13 Thread Elodie Trouche-Perrin
Hello Peter,

thanks for your reply but where do i find the editor window (is it in 
preference), then is it the htlm/window option? but i can't find any option 
that will let me insert a picture.

Best,
Elodie

Elodie Trouche-Perrin
Steven Kasher Gallery 
521 West 23rd Street  2nd floor
New York, NY 10011

Tel. 212 966 3978
Fax. 212 226 1485

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.stevenkasher.com
-

Thursday, July 13, 2006, 11:52:07 AM, you wrote:

 Hi Elodie,

 on Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:40:23 -0400GMT (13.07.2006, 17:40 +0200GMT here),
 Elodie Trouche-Perrin wrote:

ETP I would like to know how to INSERT a picture (a jpeg) in the body of
ETP the email.

 You have to create an HTML mail for this. At the bottom of the editor
 window right click the entry Plain Text and select HTML or
 HTML/Plain Text. Then you'll be given the options to format the text
 or insert pictures.




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Bayesit! Confusion

2006-07-13 Thread Bill McCarthy
Hello TB Users and Beta Lists,

I had been using Bayesit! for a few years with fairly good
success on my laptop.  About two months ago, my laptop
developed a hardware problem and I switched to my wife's
desktop (XP Pro SP2).

I have been training Bayesit! from scratch and have had it
catch nothing :-(

Turning on logging, I discovered that Bayesit! appeared a
bit confused.  From my log file:

C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesitbase\spamdict.bye
C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesitbase\nspamdict.bye
Spam frequency dictionary:
Error loading file. May be it is corrupted or lost.
Non-spam frequency dictionary:
Error loading file. May be it is corrupted or lost.
Dictionary didn't load. Continue in training mode...
No current recalculation session. Silent exiting...

There is, of course, no such bayesitbase subdirectory.
Looking at the Bayesit! configuration (under Basic filter's
options), I noticed that I had browsed to
c:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesit for the working directory.
When I manually added the trailing backslash, the log file
showed me that it could now find both spamdict.bye and
nspamdict.bye.

That was just a few days ago and Bayesit! has still not
found any spam (I guess training is just starting now).

However, looking at the Information page is see:

Spam frequency dictionary:
C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesit\\base\spamdict.bye
Size: 1386 letters.
Capacity: 81940 words.
Non-spam frequency dictionary:
C:\data\TheBat\Mail\bayesit\\base\nspamdict.bye
Size: 13135 letters.
Capacity: 649383 words.
Current active dictionary:
Currently active dictionary contains 155617 words.
Status: OK

Please notice the '\\' in those filenames.

Anyone else seeing these problems?

I am currently running the most recent announced beta,
although I do not believe this is a beta issue - so I am
including both mailing lists.

-- 
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Re: How to attach a picture

2006-07-13 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Elodie!

On Thursday, July 13, 2006, 1:20 PM, you wrote:

 thanks for your reply but where do i find the editor window (is it
 in preference), then is it the htlm/window option? but i can't find
 any option that will let me insert a picture.

Look at the very bottom of your editor window. On mine, there's a tab
that reads Plain Text (MicroEd). When I do a right mouseclick, I see
a context menu. From there, I can select (among others) HTML only.

At the top of the editor window is a menu labeled Format. Clicking
on it offered the choice to Insert image. When I clicked on that, I
got a Windows Explorer type window from which I could navigate to a
collection of images (pictures, or gifs, or any other graphic). I
chose one.

It immediately appeared at the place my cursor was currently pointing
to in the text.

I like the MicroEd editor much better than the HTML editor, so I then
switched back to MicroEd, using the tab at the bottom of the editor
window.

Immediately, the image disappeared, and my text was formatted as I
have it set to be for MicroEd in Options/Preferences/Viewer-Editor.

However, I see from your headers that you are using The Bat! v.
2.12.04.

I don't think this capability existed there. If you want to have it, I
think you will need to upgrade to v. 3.xx, preferably, version
3.80.06, the latest release of The Bat!

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Puzzling access denial

2006-07-13 Thread Quin Selman
Hello TBUDL,

  Every once in a while I see this puzzling behavior:

  I try to send a mail but get this (immediate) reply:

  Message has not been sent. Server reply - Recipient's E-mail
  address: Recipient address rejected. Access denied. Then I click
  on the OK box and try once more to send the same message. This time
  the message is sent without further delay.

  Any ideas about what might be happening?

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Re: How to attach a picture

2006-07-13 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Thursday, July 13, 2006, 1:17:30 PM, Elodie Trouche-Perrin wrote:

 thanks for your reply but where do i find Format

in the edit mail window. It's between search and utilities. you can
change from plain text to html at the bottom right, just left of the
character set.


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Puzzling Rejection

2006-07-13 Thread Quin Selman
Hello TBUDL,

  Occasionally I try to send a message and an error appears which
  says,

  Server Reply - E-mail address of intended recipient Recipient
  address rejected. Access denied.

  I then click on the OK button offered along with the above Access
  Denied notice, then once again try to send the message. The message
  is then immediately sent.

  I've seen this behavior, on and off, not often but for a long time.

  Does anyone know what might be going on here?

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Re: How to attach a picture

2006-07-13 Thread Terry Munson
Hello Dwight,

Thursday, July 13, 2006, 1:09:42 PM, you wrote:

 in the edit mail window. It's between search and utilities. you can
 change from plain text to html at the bottom right, just left of the
 character set.

You can also change to html with Options- Message format in the edit
window.

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Re: Bayesit! Confusion - K9 alternative

2006-07-13 Thread Marten Gallagher
 I have been training Bayesit! from scratch and have had it
 catch nothing :-(

 Turning on logging, I discovered that Bayesit! appeared a
 bit confused.

 That was just a few days ago and Bayesit! has still not
 found any spam (I guess training is just starting now).

I tried BayesIT again recently and found it getting things totally wrong -
it ended up 'refusing' to classify anything in one email account.

After taking advice from this list a while back - I am now using K9 with
absolutely wonderfully, accurate, consistent, and so easily configurable
results.

-- 
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Annery Kiln Web Design
www.annerykiln.co.uk
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Re: Puzzling Rejection

2006-07-13 Thread Quin Selman
Hello TBUDL list members,

Thursday, July 13, 2006, 2:05:36 PM, you wrote:

   Occasionally I try to send a message and an error appears which
   says,

   Server Reply - E-mail address of intended recipient Recipient
   address rejected. Access denied.

   I then click on the OK button offered along with the above Access
   Denied notice, then once again try to send the message. The message
   is then immediately sent.

   I've seen this behavior, on and off, not often but for a long time.

   Does anyone know what might be going on here?

Sorry. I sent this twice. I sent the second time because I thought the
first message was somehow lost. It _did_ take over an hour to get
posted ;(


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Re: Bayesit! Confusion - K9 alternative

2006-07-13 Thread Bill McCarthy
On Thu 13-Jul-06 2:33pm -0600, Marten Gallagher wrote:

 I tried BayesIT again recently and found it getting things totally wrong -
 it ended up 'refusing' to classify anything in one email account.

 After taking advice from this list a while back - I am now using K9 with
 absolutely wonderfully, accurate, consistent, and so easily configurable
 results.

Thanks for the advice.  Does it work with X-Ray?

-- 
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Re: Puzzling Rejection

2006-07-13 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Thursday, July 13, 2006, 22:05:36, Quin Selman wrote:

   Does anyone know what might be going on here?

This sounds like a server error, which TB is reporting back to you. Try
contacting the postmaster on the server you're using for sending messages
(usually it's simply postmaster@smtp.server.in.your.account.settings).

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Re: How to attach a picture

2006-07-13 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Thu, 2006-07-13, Terry Munson wrote:
 Hello Dwight,

 Thursday, July 13, 2006, 1:09:42 PM, you wrote:

 in the edit mail window. It's between search and utilities. you can
 change from plain text to html at the bottom right, just left of the
 character set.

 You can also change to html with Options- Message format in the edit
 window.

As you can see I am still using 2.11 !!

As I am typing this I can see an Options menu at the top of the Edit Mail
Message window. Clicking this I can see a Message Format selection which
expands to a list of editor modes including HTLM/Plain Text and HTML Only.
Choose one of these. If you like this mode, make it permanent by going to
the Options menu in the main The Bat! window and choosing Preferences.
Click on Viewer/Editor on the left side of the dialog box and on the right
side choose your favorite editor mode in the bottom field: Default message
text editor.

Good luck,
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Re[2]: Bayesit! Confusion - K9 alternative

2006-07-13 Thread Marten Gallagher
 ...I am now using K9

 Thanks for the advice.  Does it work with X-Ray?

Dunno - but here's the site...

http://keir.net/k9_faq.html

I don;t use X-Ray any more - got my own SMTP server arrangement so don't
need to switch servers when around and about.

and I guess you know the X-Ray support page:

http://www.xrayapp.com/xray/support.html

-- 
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Annery Kiln Web Design
www.annerykiln.co.uk
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Re: How to attach a picture

2006-07-13 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Bill!

On Thursday, July 13, 2006, 4:18 PM, you wrote:

 in the edit mail window. It's between search and utilities. you can
 change from plain text to html at the bottom right, just left of the
 character set.

 You can also change to html with Options- Message format in the edit
 window.

 As you can see I am still using 2.11 !!

The original query--how to make an attached picture appear in the
message body--was in a message with headers showing the X-mailer as
The Bat! v. 2.12.04.

 As I am typing this I can see an Options menu at the top of the Edit Mail
 Message window. Clicking this I can see a Message Format selection which
 expands to a list of editor modes including HTLM/Plain Text and HTML Only.
 Choose one of these. If you like this mode, make it permanent by going to
 the Options menu in the main The Bat! window and choosing Preferences.
 Click on Viewer/Editor on the left side of the dialog box and on the right
 side choose your favorite editor mode in the bottom field: Default message
 text editor.

But: I don't think there's a way to insert an image into the message
body in any version 2.xx.

However, it can be done with beta v. 3.81.08.

I'm not sure about the latest release version, 3.80.06, but possibly
this is available also, through the Format drop-down menu of the HTML
editor, in v. 3.80.06.

 Good luck,

:)

I myself am not interested in including picture attachments as
displays in body text.

But the originator of this thread is, and I think it will require an
upgrade to v. 3.80.06, or better.

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Re: How to attach a picture

2006-07-13 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Thursday, July 13, 2006, 5:04:56 PM, Mary Bull wrote:

 The original query--how to make an attached picture appear in the
 message body--was in a message with headers showing the X-mailer as
 The Bat! v. 2.12.04.

Sorry I didn't even look. I'm sure that I don't even have an old
backup around which still has any version 2 executables. I wasn't even
paying attention that it was this list and not the beta one. my bad


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Re: How to attach a picture

2006-07-13 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Dwight!

On Thursday, July 13, 2006, 5:21 PM, you wrote:

 The original query--how to make an attached picture appear in the
 message body--was in a message with headers showing the X-mailer as
 The Bat! v. 2.12.04.

 Sorry I didn't even look. I'm sure that I don't even have an old
 backup around which still has any version 2 executables. I wasn't even
 paying attention that it was this list and not the beta one. my bad

No problem, for me. It's been a very interesting thread. And I myself
didn't look at first, either, until the poster came back sounding so
confused.

I didn't know that we now had the possibility to include the image
displayed in the message body until I read what you said. And, as I
noted, I'm not sure at what point RitLabs added it.

I do remember Marek mentioning to the poster who wanted to include a
.gif in his sig template that the capability of doing it through
templates was being worked on.

But that didn't even trigger an idea in my head that TB! could use
HTML to display images in message bodies now. :)

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Re: How to attach a picture

2006-07-13 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Thursday, July 13, 2006, 5:23:52 PM, Mary Bull wrote:

 But that didn't even trigger an idea in my head that TB! could use
 HTML to display images in message bodies now. :)

I don't have much call to use it, but I do remember posting something
with a photo on TBOT a while back, although I don't remember what the
thread was. I think the person who asked was in the art business, and
it would be great for that.


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Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat

2006-07-13 Thread Chris W .

Marck D Pearlstone @ 2006-7-13 3:14:03 AM
ISP's Blocking TheBat mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I suppress the X-Mailer header by the configuration option and use
 this macro:

 %SetHeader(User-agent,TB/%THEBATVERSION (by RITlabs))%-

 To insert my own variant. I am proud to use TB, but have to
 acknowledge that some very poorly educated ISPs out there are
 behaving irresponsibly.

Neat! Thanks.

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Chris

Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2.
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Bug? That's not a bug; that's a feature.

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Re: How to attach a picture

2006-07-13 Thread Chris W .

Mary Bull @ 2006-7-13 6:04:56 PM
How to attach a picture mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I don't think there's a way to insert an image into the message body
 in any version 2.xx.

 However, it can be done with beta v. 3.81.08.

 I'm not sure about the latest release version, 3.80.06, but possibly
 this is available also, through the Format drop-down menu of the
 HTML editor, in v. 3.80.06.

That option exists in 3.80.06.

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Is reading in the bathroom considered multitasking?

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Re: How to attach a picture

2006-07-13 Thread Chris W .

Elodie Trouche-Perrin @ 2006-7-13 2:20:22 PM
How to attach a picture mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 where do i find the editor window

The editor window is the same as the new message window. I.e., the
window you get when you click on the new message icon (or the reply
icon).

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