Re: Using TB from work and home
Hi Günter, That makes some sense if I understand it correctly: with IMAP, the folder structure moves from the local computer to the server Theoretically, the other way around: What is on the server will be seen by the client, by any client. Of course, you use the client to create and move folders on the server. and all of TB's filtering of the inbox to the folders therefore takes place at server level? It would affect server level. Of course, TheBat still runs on your local machine, and so do its filters. But (while connected) the instant a filter on your home machine decides to move a message between folders, this change will also become fact for the work machine. And any local folder structure is an exact replica of the server's folder structure? Yes, this is correct. If I have local folders on the home machine but not on the work machine, moving messages from the server to the local folders will delete it from the server and therefore from the folder structure on the work machine (which only replicates that on the server)? Exactly, that's the idea. Compare it to a classic file server: If you move a file using one client machine, a second machine will instantly see the file in its new location and no longer display it in the old one. Quite a change from the familiar way of doing things under POP... Well, yes. :-) -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Alto Speckhardt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp1qJGKJPIGT.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Using TB from work and home
Guten Tag Bob Riley, Then at the end of the article, it says this about TB!: There are currently no known troubleshooting issues with this client. You know that this is not true. TheBat IMAP _is_ a troubleshooting issue to begin with. Even the developers admit that the system is rotten from the core, meaning they can't work to fix it, but need to exchange it completely. If you define troubleshooting issue as workaround to use it, then I apologize and agree that there aren't any. But the way the above line is worded an unknowing visitor might deduce that TheBat's IMAP would actually be - well, usable. -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Alto Speckhardt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpax0fZCgZxv.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Using TB from work and home
On Friday, July 18, 2008, 1:27:36 PM, Dwight Corrin wrote: On Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:46:43 PM, Günter Minnerup wrote: I have such an archive account already, to keep my POP3 message base manageable. So what you're saying is simply move everything beyond the server quota into the archive account? exactly Well, thanks to you and everyone else who have helped me understand IMAP. Unfortunately, it has just been confirmed that my email provider does not support IMAP after all so I'll have to stick with POP until they (a university that calls itself world class) manage to bring their email system to 21st century standards. The current server quota of merely 20MB would, I fear, have made IMAP unworkable anyway, given the volume of email I receive. It also seems, if Alto is to be believed, that TB under IMAP is still a work in progress... Back to the drawing board... -- Regards, Günter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 4.0.24 Windows Vista Version 6 Build 6000 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [TBUDL] Gmail and TB, virus checking problem
I haven't encountered a virus problem with gmail yet, but you might try AVG (there's a free version available). I would say: Don't do that - the AVG 8 plug-in is buggy and messages (or rather, the *task* of outgoing and incoming messages) might just hang at any rate. I have seen this error quite a lot and has disabled the plug-in altogether. As for outgoing messages, TB just waits for forever - status message saying Logging on to server. Other messages for the same account may relay just fine - it is just the very task that is stuck. The situation is fixed and your messages is resent the next time you *start* TB. /EXIT and /SMARTEXIT won't work when this is happening - if you use TB unattended TB won't send these messages for as long as YOU haven't fixed this manually by aborting the task in CC and then restart TB. As for incoming messages, things are a bit more serious as TB receives an RSET command/status message from the server and will from then on NOT check mail for the *account* that is stuck. So the result is highly annoying for outgoing messages as you might not be aware that a message (task) is hanging. For incoming messages, you may not receive anything until you restart TB - that's more than annoying. The latter situation would likely make you a bit suspicious realizing mail is not being received. But as there are timnes where you want to let your machine receive and handle stuff unattended, you might come home from a weekend off with your family on Sunday, and find that TB hasn't downloaded mail since Friday; two hours after you left for that family weekend holiday... As I have been saying in a previous posting, TB should be much less forgivable to Time Outs. TB should auto-reset hanging CC-tasks if no response is seen after a preset time (Preferences or Properties). Additionally, a /FORCEEXIT macro should be created: Feeding TB with that command would do exactly that - it's similar to when you want to exit TB, but will have to wait for TB to finish its CC-tasks and then gracefully exit (OR not exit if TB was not finishing its tasks.) only that /FORCEEXIT would press that OK (exit now!)-button for you and abort orderly all and any tasks and simply exit. I don't see none of these whishes to be hard to add or fix - in fact, I strongly recommend Ritlabs to add and fix ASAP. -- ...listen2reason... - Musaic.Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[7]: Using TB from work and home
Hello Günter, Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:50:08 PM, you wrote: GM So the local folder structure is an exact replica of that on the GM server, and both are automatically synchronised? Yes, sort of. You can set your local setup to only download headers and then you will only have the headers on your computer unless you select a message, then it is downloaded to your computer. But generally the structure is duplicated on every computer to log on with. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v4.0.26.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Using TB from work and home
Hi Alto, On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 10:11 +0200, you wrote: Guten Tag Bob Riley, Then at the end of the article, it says this about TB!: There are currently no known troubleshooting issues with this client. I was merely quoting the above from the fastmail.fm mail client setup: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/imap/thebat.htm On the above page is this: The Bat! is an excellent POP client, but its IMAP support is currently extremely limited. If you use The Bat! you will not have access to many IMAP features; The Bat! treats IMAP servers much like POP servers, so it does not benefit from IMAP's extra capabilities. Then, after the setup instructions, it says this: There are currently no known troubleshooting issues with this client. In response, you wrote: You know that this is not true. TheBat IMAP _is_ a troubleshooting issue to begin with. Even the developers admit that the system is rotten from the core, meaning they can't work to fix it, but need to exchange it completely. It looks to me as though the fastmail site largely agrees with you, apart from the troubleshooting statement. I am not qualified to judge the above. Because of what I have heard from quite a few people on this list and at TBBeta, I had earlier decided not to use TB for my IMAP mailer for Gmail. I have tried Evolution (because it is standard in Ubuntu Linux and is now, finally, available in Windows, and both operating systems are on my pc) and it works beautifully. However, it is much slower in starting up in Windows than it is in Linux. I also tried Mulberry in Windows, but I didn't like the interface, and there are so many options that for me it wasn't as convenient to use as Evolution, so I removed it. I would love to use TB for IMAP but won't until you more knowledgeable people say TB is very practical in IMAP. I think I have already mentioned that Thunderbird does well in IMAP. I use it for a community volunteer organization's Gmail IMAP account. If you define troubleshooting issue as workaround to use it, then I apologize and agree that there aren't any. But the way the above line is worded an unknowing visitor might deduce that TheBat's IMAP would actually be - well, usable. I defer to greater knowledge, here, and have appreciated your sharing your experience with TB as an IMAP mailer. I notice that the no troubleshooting issues statement appears after many of their instructions about setting up the various IMAP mail programs, which are listed here: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/faqparts/ExternalMail.htm#ExternalAccess As you can imagine, I have done internet searches for best IMAP email programs, and the ones that often appear are Mulberry (Windows only, I think), Evolution and Thunderbird. Outlook doesn't score very high, nor does Pegasus (my older POP favorite for years), nor The Bat!, or its otherwise excellent competitor, Pocomail: http://email.about.com/cs/winclientreviews/gr/pocomail.htm Have a great day, everyone. Bob Riley Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Using TB from work and home
Hello all, Friday, July 18, 2008, Bob Riley wrote: I was merely quoting the above from the fastmail.fm mail client setup: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/imap/thebat.htm On the above page is this: The Bat! is an excellent POP client, but its IMAP support is currently extremely limited. If you use The Bat! you will not have access to many IMAP features; The Bat! treats IMAP servers much like POP servers, so it does not benefit from IMAP's extra capabilities. Then, after the setup instructions, it says this: There are currently no known troubleshooting issues with this client. this documentation is 5 years old and screens are from The Bat! 2.0 -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.0.26.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 2.8.1.1 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Using TB from work and home
On Friday, July 18, 2008, 12:49:34 PM, Bob Riley wrote: I would love to use TB for IMAP but won't until you more knowledgeable people say TB is very practical in IMAP. I would be interested to know what features I am missing. I too tried lots of those other mailers, such as thunderbird, mulberry, pegasus, eudora, outlook, outlook express. I hated them all, and actually outlook the least. TB! has counting issues.To me, a mailbox which has eight messages but says 2 or 2 messages and says 8 once in a while is slightly annoying, but not a show stopper. The search functions work fine. I get all my messages, I can see from one machine to another what was sent, and I have all the good things about the bat which I like. I've been running IMAP since version 2 and in version 2 it had problems. That is why I looked at most of those other choices. I'd feel no need to try anything else now, other than just curiosity. I just looked at the eudora/thunderbird hybrid's on line documentation today, and it doesn't even contain the work threading anywhere in the documentation, except in the wishlist section. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.26.3 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 3) Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
