Re: Top and bottom posting
Hello Marck, On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:01:54 +0100 GMT (15/Apr/09, 23:01 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: TF>> Why so complicated? MDP> Because I am a power crazed technophile with a penchant for full MDP> automation. At least you're honest. ;-) MDP> The QT's are the same ones I use for standard replies. I didn't write MDP> them specially for the job, they were already there. I just copied my MDP> standard reply template and shifted a couple of things around. I do MDP> have a second version of tr called trl. That is my "Love from" MDP> template, which gives only my first name in the from and is much more MDP> casual. I think it also includes the cookified attribution mechanism MDP> we've been chatting about privately. MDP> ... I see. I have different templates for different accounts but your templates make sense if you use only one. TF>> In my business accounts, the templates are all set up for TF>> top-posting, with the full sig before the attribution line even TF>> starts. MDP> ... and my tr QT performs that job for me, whichever account I am MDP> using. Besides, I pretty much have 1 email address that I use for MDP> everything. I've had this address for 14 years now, so it's not so MDP> easy for me to separate business and personal mail. Also, I have to MDP> decide on the fly who gets a top-posted reply and whose is in-line. Right, that is the big difference between our two set-ups. MDP> Horses for courses, as they say. Make mine a horses doovre (hors MDP> d'oevres - geddit? [groan]). Let me confirm to you: [groan]. I'm glad you're a musician on stage and not a comedian. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top and bottom posting
Dear Thomas, @15-Apr-2009, 22:38 +0700 (15-Apr 16:38 here) Thomas Fernandez [TF] in mid:969244542.20090415223...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de said to Marck: ... MDP>> I use a macro called tr - I type "tr" and tb re-starts the MDP>> reply on-the-fly to be ready for a top posted response. MDP>> ,--/ tr \-- MDP>> %clear%-Dear %QINCLUDE="ABN", MDP>> %QINCLUDE="QSUBJ"%- TF> [...] TF> Why so complicated? Because I am a power crazed technophile with a penchant for full automation. The QT's are the same ones I use for standard replies. I didn't write them specially for the job, they were already there. I just copied my standard reply template and shifted a couple of things around. I do have a second version of tr called trl. That is my "Love from" template, which gives only my first name in the from and is much more casual. I think it also includes the cookified attribution mechanism we've been chatting about privately. ... TF> In my business accounts, the templates are all set up for TF> top-posting, with the full sig before the attribution line even TF> starts. ... and my tr QT performs that job for me, whichever account I am using. Besides, I pretty much have 1 email address that I use for everything. I've had this address for 14 years now, so it's not so easy for me to separate business and personal mail. Also, I have to decide on the fly who gets a top-posted reply and whose is in-line. Horses for courses, as they say. Make mine a horses doovre (hors d'oevres - geddit? [groan]). -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.1.11.13 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgp8xhKPSgk7Y.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top and bottom posting
Hello Marck, On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:43:42 +0100 GMT (15/Apr/09, 16:43 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: ND>> As for keeping the whole message in tact, can anyone suggest a way ND>> that a macro might be able to effectively turn my "reply quoting ND>> selected text" into a regular F5 Reply? MDP> I use a macro called tr - I type "tr" and tb re-starts the MDP> reply on-the-fly to be ready for a top posted response. MDP> ,--/ tr \-- MDP> %clear%-Dear %QINCLUDE="ABN", MDP> %QINCLUDE="QSUBJ"%- [...] Why so complicated? My %Cursor macro is at the top, after my template-inserted greeting, for inline replies. If I have to top-post, I just move the cursor with the mouse to above the greeting and start typing. Easy. You can create a quick template for your good-bye, if it is longer than your name. I just type "Cheers, [enter] Thomas", and that takes a fraction of a second so I never bothered to create a QT for that. Sometimes I even remember to scroll down to the bottom and delete the template-inserted good-bye or sig. However, that is not so important, as nobody looks down there ever again. ;-) In my business accounts, the templates are all set up for top-posting, with the full sig before the attribution line even starts. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top and bottom posting
Hello Marck D Pearlstone Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 8:47:08 PM, you wrote: MDP> Dear Nick, MDP> @15-Apr-2009, 14:36 Nick Dutton [ND] in MDP> mid:297927601.20090415143...@winchmore.com said to Marck: MDP> ... MDP>>> For the first two, I vastly prefer inline posting. MDP> ... ND>> Indeed, and the only thing worse than a long top-posted thread is a ND>> bottom-post fanatic making it even more difficult by insisting on ND>> breaking it up with an in-line comment. ND>> I know, I've done it ;-) MDP> I may be a pedant on the list here, but in private, I'm a lot more MDP> casual. There are times when an in-line reply simply makes no sense at MDP> all. I have many friends who write to me from their Hotmail accounts MDP> (shudder) or using Incredimail. It's pointless trying to inline a MDP> reply to them. I had several users using that stuff and I got in most cases a switch to other programs... -- Best regards, tracermailto:0tra...@gmail.com Windows XP 4.1.11 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top and bottom posting
Hello Marck D Pearlstone Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 8:15:02 PM, you wrote: MDP> Dear 0tracer, MDP> @15-Apr-2009, 20:08 +0700 (15-Apr 14:08 here) tracer [0] in MDP> mid:519688111.20090415200...@gmail.com said: MDP> ... ND>>> Wow - let me have a look at this later on when I get some time... ND>>> ...looks promising though. ND>>> Thanks. 0>> Donot forget its from the member telling us in the past never to 0>> top-post(g) MDP> Rules for mailing lists are one thing. Personal preferences are MDP> another. Requirements of business email threads, usually in MDP> communications with Outlook and OE users are yet another. MDP> For the first two, I vastly prefer inline posting. MDP> For the final, I have no choice but to conform and do a proper MDP> top-post. MDP> As they say, "when in Rome...". I know and the pity is that its not a variable option when replying to an email!! Ie rightclick on a mesg and instead of reply get reply TOPPOST, reply BOTTOMPOST, and last one inline... -- Best regards, tracermailto:0tra...@gmail.com Windows XP 4.1.11 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top and bottom posting
Dear Nick, @15-Apr-2009, 14:36 Nick Dutton [ND] in mid:297927601.20090415143...@winchmore.com said to Marck: ... MDP>> For the first two, I vastly prefer inline posting. ... ND> Indeed, and the only thing worse than a long top-posted thread is a ND> bottom-post fanatic making it even more difficult by insisting on ND> breaking it up with an in-line comment. ND> I know, I've done it ;-) I may be a pedant on the list here, but in private, I'm a lot more casual. There are times when an in-line reply simply makes no sense at all. I have many friends who write to me from their Hotmail accounts (shudder) or using Incredimail. It's pointless trying to inline a reply to them. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.1.11.13 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpT3dIz87ca7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top and bottom posting
Hello Marck, On Wednesday, April 15, 2009, you wrote: MDP> Rules for mailing lists are one thing. Personal preferences are MDP> another. Requirements of business email threads, usually in MDP> communications with Outlook and OE users are yet another. MDP> For the first two, I vastly prefer inline posting. MDP> For the final, I have no choice but to conform and do a proper MDP> top-post. MDP> As they say, "when in Rome...". Indeed, and the only thing worse than a long top-posted thread is a bottom-post fanatic making it even more difficult by insisting on breaking it up with an in-line comment. I know, I've done it ;-) -- Nick | n...@winchmore.com Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top and bottom posting
Dear 0tracer, @15-Apr-2009, 20:08 +0700 (15-Apr 14:08 here) tracer [0] in mid:519688111.20090415200...@gmail.com said: ... ND>> Wow - let me have a look at this later on when I get some time... ND>> ...looks promising though. ND>> Thanks. 0> Donot forget its from the member telling us in the past never to 0> top-post(g) Rules for mailing lists are one thing. Personal preferences are another. Requirements of business email threads, usually in communications with Outlook and OE users are yet another. For the first two, I vastly prefer inline posting. For the final, I have no choice but to conform and do a proper top-post. As they say, "when in Rome...". -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.1.11.13 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpcmSAwRFNZj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top and bottom posting
Hello Nick Dutton Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 5:14:48 PM, you wrote: ND> Hello Marck, ND> On Wednesday, April 15, 2009, you wrote: MDP>> Does that help? ND> Wow - let me have a look at this later on when I get some time... ND> ...looks promising though. ND> Thanks. Donot forget its from the member telling us in the past never to top-post(g) -- Best regards, tracermailto:0tra...@gmail.com Windows XP 4.1.11 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top and bottom posting
Hello Marck, On Wednesday, April 15, 2009, you wrote: MDP> Does that help? Wow - let me have a look at this later on when I get some time... ...looks promising though. Thanks. -- Nick | n...@winchmore.com Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top and bottom posting
Dear Nick,
@15-Apr-2009, 10:29 Nick Dutton [ND] in
mid:162582448.20090415102...@winchmore.com said to tbudl:
...
ND> As for keeping the whole message in tact, can anyone suggest a way
ND> that a macro might be able to effectively turn my "reply quoting
ND> selected text" into a regular F5 Reply?
I use a macro called tr - I type "tr" and tb re-starts the
reply on-the-fly to be ready for a top posted response.
,--/ tr \--
%clear%-Dear %QINCLUDE="ABN",
%QINCLUDE="QSUBJ"%-
%Cursor
%QINCLUDE(MPX)
> Original Message ~
> Date : %QINCLUDE(SDate), %QINCLUDE(TMGET) %-
%IF:'%QINCLUDE(TMGET)'<>'%ODATE("hh:nn")':%-
'%QINCLUDE(TMZONE) (%OTIME UK time)':''
> From : %IF:'%OFROMNAME'!='%OFROMADDR':'"%OFROMNAME"' <%OFROMADDR>
> Refr : %QINCLUDE(MSGID)
%QUOTES="%text"%-
> ~ End of Original Message ~
`--\ End /--
The various other bits and pieces of QT called upon are from my
standard reply to format up sig lines and addressee names and whatnot.
For example, MPX is a version of my standard sig without the cut mark
(can't use cut marks for top posting).
Does that help?
--
Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user
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Top and bottom posting
Hello, I have a few people who *really* don't like the way that I "corrupt" e-mails by quoting extracts in my reply! Yes, they are all Outlook users, who also think that bottom posting is evil. I'm not going to be able to change this, and have fixed the tip/bottom posting in the users' reply templates. As for keeping the whole message in tact, can anyone suggest a way that a macro might be able to effectively turn my "reply quoting selected text" into a regular F5 Reply? I suspect that the answer is "no", but have been proved wrong many times in the past. TIA, -- Nick TheBat!: v4.1.11 on Windows Vista Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
