Can't remove v5
Greetings Bat People, Like many others on the list, I too feel the need to revert to an earlier version. I've learned from the list that you can't just reinstall an earlier version but have to remove v5 first. Unfortunately, I can't delete version 5. I've used Windows Add and Remove Programs and when that didn't work, used the Revo uninstaller. Admittedly I did not run Revo balls to the wall, full on because at one point in the removal process it showed that it was going to remove a whole bunch of stuff (like my custom .wav files) that I didn't want removed. I declined that part of it. I did do a backup of v5 before attempting to remove it in the hopes that if everything crashed and burned, I might be able to get myself back to a working program even if it was still v5. What exactly does a backup contain? Would the .wav files be in there? Will a previous version (should I ever be able to load one) be able to use a backup made by v5? Revo is pretty thorough and I'm terrified that I'm going to lose all my messages and more if I allow it to run full bore. I would really like to revert to v4.2.44 but have no idea what I'm doing wrong or if I'm worrying about things that will be ok if I do successfully revert at some point. -- TIA, Jack LaRosa Using The Bat! ver: 5.0.8. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't remove v5
Hi, Unfortunately, I can't delete version 5. I've used Windows Add and Remove Programs [...] What happened when you ran the uninstaller? and when that didn't work, used the Revo uninstaller. Bad idea. You never know what tools like this do or do not remove, what may or may not belong to the program you're working on. I would really like to revert to v4.2.44 [...] If you have a full backup anyway, why don't you try a more direct approach: Rename thebat.exe to thebat.exe.v5, then do a standard install of v4. Afterwards there should be a new old thebat.exe there, which should ideally be able to handle your existing messagebase. If it can not, you're no worse off than before, just reinstall v5 again and if necessary restore your backup. -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Alto Speckhardt mailto:a...@treadstone79.de pgpqqVyzdC9nj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't remove v5
Hello Jack, On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:01:12 -0500 (your time) you said: I would really like to revert to v4.2.44 but have no idea what I'm doing wrong or if I'm worrying about things that will be ok if I do successfully revert at some point. Delete thebat.exe from the install folder, and run the 4.2.44 setup and install over the top! That worked for me and others. -- Si #13709. I Her Go Wed Snow? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • The Bat! Pro 4.2.44.2 • Extended Macro Plugin 1.2.1.0 • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 • Scanned by avast! Plugin DB Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Worthless in TB
Hello Sean, Wednesday, July 20, 2011, 12:09:40 PM, you wrote: Hello Tim, Wednesday, July 20, 2011, 6:45:34 PM, you wrote: Hello Tbudl, IMAP is worthless and extremely buggy on TB when trying to access gamail. The connection window freezes when checking google and TB freezes as well. Has anyone else experienced this? I guess I could use POP in checking gmail. I have no Pop accounts and use TB! exclusively for imap. I have had other clients and TB! is as good if not better than others. Maybe you AV is causing the slowdown Sean Not sure what the issue is, I'll just go back to using pop with gmail. -- Best regards, Timmailto:timh...@cox.net Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't remove v5
Hello Alto, On Monday, July 25, 2011 you wrote: AS Hi, Unfortunately, I can't delete version 5. I've used Windows Add and Remove Programs [...] AS What happened when you ran the uninstaller? and when that didn't work, used the Revo uninstaller. AS Bad idea. You never know what tools like this do or do not remove, AS what may or may not belong to the program you're working on. I would really like to revert to v4.2.44 [...] AS If you have a full backup anyway, why don't you try a more direct AS approach: Rename thebat.exe to thebat.exe.v5, then do a standard AS install of v4. Afterwards there should be a new old thebat.exe AS there, which should ideally be able to handle your existing AS messagebase. If it can not, you're no worse off than before, just AS reinstall v5 again and if necessary restore your backup. Wow! That was easy. I did exactly as the above paragraph suggests and in seconds, I'm once again running v4.2.44.2. Everything seems to be where it should be. I don't think I'll be so quick to upgrade in the future. Thank you Alto and Si. Alas, if only all tech support were this good. -- Jack LaRosa Using The Bat! ver: 4.2.44.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Worthless in TB
Hello Tim, Monday, July 25, 2011, 5:08:55 PM, you wrote: IMAP is worthless and extremely buggy on TB when trying to access gamail. The connection window freezes when checking google and TB freezes as well. Has anyone else experienced this? I guess I could use POP in checking gmail. I have no Pop accounts and use TB! exclusively for imap. I have had other clients and TB! is as good if not better than others. Maybe you AV is causing the slowdown Sean Not sure what the issue is, I'll just go back to using pop with gmail. I did have a problem with another app on imap and my antivirus was causing the problem. Also firewalls can be a pain. Hopefully you will sort Sean -- .tel http://rima.tel/ I believe that every human has a finite number of heartbeats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises. - Neil Armstrong Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Worthless in TB
Hi Tim, Wednesday, July 20, 2011, 11:45:34 AM, you wrote: TH Hello Tbudl, TH IMAP is worthless and extremely buggy on TB when trying to access TH gamail. The connection window freezes when checking google and TB TH freezes as well. Has anyone else experienced this? I guess I could TH use POP in checking gmail. I use Gmail's IMAP and I am having no problems. I see that Sean has given you some ideas about what could conceivably be giving you these frustrating problems. -- Take Care, Bob Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't remove v5
Hello Alto, Monday, July 25, 2011, 5:37:47 PM, you wrote: AS Bad idea. You never know what tools like this do or do not remove, AS what may or may not belong to the program you're working on. I suppose you haven't used Revo Uninstaller yet. 1) First it creates a system restore point before uninstalling a program 2) Then it uses the program's own uninstall (if any) 3) After that it offers the possibility to search the registry for any leftovers, lists them and leaves the user the choice wether he wants to remove any of these (all individually selectable) 4) Finally it can search for any left over files and folders. Once again it is up to the user to decide wether he wants to delete them or not (none are selected automatically, as is the case for the registry items in point 3 and the user can skip steps 3 and 4) (x) I use Revo Uninstaller Pro for a couple of years now and it isn't longer than yesterday that I was very happy to have it. I bought an upgrade for OmniPage 18 (coming from 17). The installer kept saying that an earlier version was still on my computer and had to be removed before I could install version 18. It seems to be a known problem since Nuance has created a tool specifically to remove earlier versions. Well, Nuance's tool wasn't able to do the job. I thought it had to do with PaperPort (which has a Omipage-dll of it's own) and PDF Converter/Creator from the same company that are installed too. At last, I used Search Everything to find any leftover files/folders with OmniPage in their name and removed those with Revo through the right mouse-click context-menu. These appeared to be left-overs from pre-OmniPage 15 versions and if I would simply have deleted those files, there would still have been left-overs in the Registry. Oh well, everyone has to decide for him/herself wether or not to use Revo Uninstaller (Pro), but this is not the kind of tool that does things without leaving the user the choice (as many competitors do). (x) When removing TB! nothing isn't removed that TB! itself would not remove during phase 1. But TB! did not remove everything from the either. BTW: the trick you suggested (renaming (or removing) thebat.exe did not work for me when trying to go back to 4. -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 4.2.33.1 Beta 160 days remaining in 2011. Actually it's 525 days) + less than 24 hours. Yours truly residing on earth for 19613 days now. Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Worthless in TB
Hello Bob, Monday, July 25, 2011, 6:06:18 PM, you wrote: Hi Tim, Wednesday, July 20, 2011, 11:45:34 AM, you wrote: TH Hello Tbudl, TH IMAP is worthless and extremely buggy on TB when trying to access TH gamail. The connection window freezes when checking google and TB TH freezes as well. Has anyone else experienced this? I guess I could TH use POP in checking gmail. I use Gmail's IMAP and I am having no problems. I see that Sean has given you some ideas about what could conceivably be giving you these frustrating problems. I have to say that the current working of IMAP in TB5 is one of the best I have seen, fast and reliable. I just hope his problem is something else and not something that is lurking beneath the layers Sean -- .tel http://rima.tel/ Google+ http://gplus.to/thecivvie I believe that every human has a finite number of heartbeats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises. - Neil Armstrong Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't remove v5
Hello Mark, On Monday, July 25, 2011 you wrote: MP Hello Alto, MP Monday, July 25, 2011, 5:37:47 PM, you wrote: AS Bad idea. You never know what tools like this do or do not remove, AS what may or may not belong to the program you're working on. MP I suppose you haven't used Revo Uninstaller yet. MP 1) First it creates a system restore point before uninstalling a program MP 2) Then it uses the program's own uninstall (if any) MP 3) After that it offers the possibility to search the registry for any leftovers, MPlists them and leaves the user the choice wether he wants to remove any of these (all individually selectable) MP 4) Finally it can search for any left over files and folders. Once again it is up to the user to decide wether he wants MPto delete them or not (none are selected automatically, as is the case for the registry items in point 3 and the user MPcan skip steps 3 and 4) (x) I just wanted to confirm what Mark is saying here. I've used Revo Uninstaller (free version) for many years and never once have I had a problem with it removing anything I needed. I don't even question the things it wants to remove anymore and just let it have it's way, confident that nothing will be harmed. But, because I know how well it works, I was reluctant to let it remove TB because I was afraid it would remove my message base or something else required for TB to run. Like Mark, I too have had programs which simply refused to be removed through conventional means only to have them obliterated finally by Revo; and, you can't beat free. -- Jack LaRosa Using The Bat! ver: 4.2.44.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
