Re: Check PGP signature

[Roland Burger]

Hi A,

on  Sun,  29  Apr 2001 16:10:27 -0500 GMT (which was 29.04.2001, 23:10
+0100 GMT where I live) A Curtis Martin wrote:


> Presently Tools/PGP/Check PGP Signature doesn't decrypt messages for me.
> Can others confirm this? If so, then Ritlabs need to correct their page
> information on this.

No, you must choose with TB PGP decryption (Shift + Strg + D) and not
Check PGP Signature!

> ©Allie

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Re: Check PGP signature

[Nick Andriash]

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On April 29, 2001, at 4:28:28 PM, A Curtis Martin wrote:

ACM> So you don't have a problem with the instruction:

:o) Sure I do, but strictly speaking, TB! is doing exactly what it was
instructed to do. I agree... of course... the instructions need to be
changed to better reflect how those two operations are performed: Check
PGP Signature and PGP Decrypt.

OTOH, there are other aspects of TB!'s documentation... documentation that
relates directly to TB!... that require re-working. PGP's functions are
better explained in it's own documentation.

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Re: Check PGP signature

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:04:09 -0700, Nick graced us with these comments:

NA> But Tom was choosing "Check PGP signature"... and couldn't understand
NA> why he was asked for his passphrase and nothing else happened. It was
NA> because he never asked for the message to be decrypted... only the
NA> signature to be checked, which is what the Plugin happily performed.
NA> Now, he was asked for his passphrase because the message *had* to be
NA> decrypted before the signature could be checked, and the passphrase is
NA> required for that function because his Private Key is used to decrypt
NA> the message.

So you don't have a problem with the instruction:

   To decrypt an encrypted e-mail message from The Bat!, use "Check  PGP
   signature" command from the Tools menu.

Alrighty then. :-)

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Re: Check PGP signature

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On April 29, 2001, at 3:52:14 PM, A Curtis Martin wrote:

ACM> If they ask how to verify a signature, I'd tell them to use the
ACM> "check PGP signature" command and add that the command works with
ACM> encrypted and signed messages as well. However, for encrypted
ACM> messages an unencrypted copy isn't created in order to simply verify
ACM> the signature. I don't quite know if someone would wish to only
ACM> verify the signature of an encrypted message and not decrypt and read
ACM> it as well.

ACM> This is why PGP so clearly makes their command, decrypt and verify.
ACM> There's no verification only command.

But Tom was choosing "Check PGP signature"... and couldn't understand why
he was asked for his passphrase and nothing else happened. It was because
he never asked for the message to be decrypted... only the signature to be
checked, which is what the Plugin happily performed. Now, he was asked for
his passphrase because the message *had* to be decrypted before the
signature could be checked, and the passphrase is required for that
function because his Private Key is used to decrypt the message.

Granted, there are not many situations that would warrant a signature
check on an encrypted message... and not want the decrypted message
presented in some form. ;o)

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Re: Check PGP signature

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:33:24 -0700, Nick graced us with these comments:

NA> But what TB! does when it checks a signature on a PGP encrypted
NA> message is exactly as advertised. The message must first be decrypted
NA> to obtain the signature... the verification information is presented
NA> in the PGPLog, but the message remains in it's encrypted state.
NA> Therefore:

NA> "To decrypt an encrypted e-mail message from The Bat!, use "Check  PGP
NA> signature" command from the Tools menu. If the message is  signed, PGP
NA> automatically checks its signature validity. Note that  the message is NOT
NA> stored so you need to decrypt it this way each  time you read the
NA> message."

NA> depicts exactly the way TB! behaves when you check the signature on an
NA> encrypted message. OTOH, if you use Tools/PGP/PGP Decrypt then TB! will
NA> check the signature *and* leave a copy of the decrypted message.

I see what you're saying but what is written on the web page is still
misleading. If a TB! user says that he/she wishes to decrypt a message,
what do you think they mean, and what would you tell them to do? I'd tell
them to use the PGP decrypt command and explain how it works, assuming
that they wish to decrypt *and* read the message.

If they ask how to verify a signature, I'd tell them to use the "check PGP
signature" command and add that the command works with encrypted and
signed messages as well. However, for encrypted messages an unencrypted
copy isn't created in order to simply verify the signature. I don't quite
know if someone would wish to only verify the signature of an encrypted
message and not decrypt and read it as well.

This is why PGP so clearly makes their command, decrypt and verify.
There's no verification only command.

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Re: Check PGP signature

[Nick Andriash]

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On April 29, 2001, at 12:43:53 PM, A Curtis Martin wrote:

aen>> "To decrypt an encrypted e-mail message from The Bat!, use "Check
aen>> PGP signature" command from the Tools menu. If the message is
aen>> signed, PGP automatically checks its signature validity. Note that
aen>> the message is NOT stored so you need to decrypt it this way each
aen>> time you read the message.

ACM> This isn't what happens in my usage of TB!. Checking the signature of a
ACM> signed and encrypted message simply checks the signature. It doesn't
ACM> decrypt the message.

But what TB! does when it checks a signature on a PGP encrypted message is
exactly as advertised. The message must first be decrypted to obtain the
signature... the verification information is presented in the PGPLog, but
the message remains in it's encrypted state. Therefore:

"To decrypt an encrypted e-mail message from The Bat!, use "Check  PGP
signature" command from the Tools menu. If the message is  signed, PGP
automatically checks its signature validity. Note that  the message is NOT
stored so you need to decrypt it this way each  time you read the
message."

depicts exactly the way TB! behaves when you check the signature on an
encrypted message. OTOH, if you use Tools/PGP/PGP Decrypt then TB! will
check the signature *and* leave a copy of the decrypted message.

Tom's original question was:

> But when I click on check pgp signature, It asks for my passphrase and
> ... nothing !
> So i'd like to know what happens to you, I hoped a window opened with
> my message decrypted or something like that.

If he wants to do both... check the signature *and* decrypt the message,
then he must use Tools/PGP/PGP Decrypt. Choosing only Tools/PGP/PGP Check
Signature will do exactly that, but even to do that, PGP must use your
Private Key to decrypt the message to get at the signature, which is why
it asks for your Passphrase. The reason it didn't leave a decrypted copy
as well is because that was not asked for. No? Yes?


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Re: Check PGP signature

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:10:27 -0500, A thoughtfully wrote the following:

ACM>>> TB! web site? Would you give the URL. I'm curious.

aen>> you can found it in THe bat help file the_bat.hlp or at the url :
aen>> http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/pgp.html

ACM> Presently Tools/PGP/Check PGP Signature doesn't decrypt messages for me.
ACM> Can others confirm this? If so, then Ritlabs need to correct their page
ACM> information on this.

I should've added that I checked with the official release version 1.51.

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Re: Check PGP signature

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:12:09 +0200, ad wrote these words of wisdom:

ACM>> TB! web site? Would you give the URL. I'm curious.

aen> you can found it in THe bat help file the_bat.hlp or at the url :
aen> http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/pgp.html

Presently Tools/PGP/Check PGP Signature doesn't decrypt messages for me.
Can others confirm this? If so, then Ritlabs need to correct their page
information on this.

©Allie
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ACM> TB! web site? Would you give the URL. I'm curious.

you can found it in THe bat help file the_bat.hlp or at the url :
http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/pgp.html

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Re[2]: Check PGP signature

[Ron Secord]

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Hi A,

On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, at 14:02:51 [GMT -0500] (3:02 PM where I live) you
wrote the following in regards to "Check PGP signature":

ACM> Ok. This is why I decrypt with PGP Tray these days. If I wish to reply, I
ACM> copy stuff from the PGP decryption window.

I also use PGPtray to decrypt so as *not* to have decrypted messages
hanging around. I know when I used to use Pegasus and I decrypted a
message it would show the message in a viewer, similar to PGPtray and
when the message was closed, it remained encrypted. It didn't produce
another *decrypted* message. Just one of the things I would like to
see in TB!

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Re: Check PGP signature

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:26:06 +0200, ad wrote these words of wisdom:

aen> So here is a copy of a page of TB web site :

TB! web site? Would you give the URL. I'm curious.

aen> "To decrypt an encrypted e-mail message from The Bat!, use "Check PGP
aen> signature" command from the Tools menu. If the message is signed, PGP
aen> automatically checks its signature validity. Note that the message is
aen> NOT stored so you need to decrypt it this way each time you read the
aen> message.

This isn't what happens in my usage of TB!. Checking the signature of a
signed and encrypted message simply checks the signature. It doesn't
decrypt the message.

aen> Another way is decryption as a message into your message base using
aen> "Decrypt PGP..." command of the Tools menu. Note that in this case
aen> your privacy might appear as defenceless because the message is stored
aen> in your message base in clear text so anybody else can read it."

This part is true and goes according to my usage.

aen> The second paragraph is OK for me, but TB! don't behaves like first
aen> paragraph or i really don't understand it.
aen> ( to my opinion, it shoud works like the pgp "secure viewer")

It seems to be in error to me. Did you extract this information from TB!
FAQ pages?

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ACM> But where is it written that TB! behaves otherwise from what we're
ACM> experiencing?

So here is a copy of a page of TB web site :

"To decrypt an encrypted e-mail message from The Bat!, use "Check PGP
signature" command from the Tools menu. If the message is signed, PGP
automatically checks its signature validity. Note that the message is
NOT stored so you need to decrypt it this way each time you read the
message.

Another way is decryption as a message into your message base using
"Decrypt PGP..." command of the Tools menu. Note that in this case
your privacy might appear as defenceless because the message is stored
in your message base in clear text so anybody else can read it."


The second paragraph is OK for me, but TB! don't behaves like first
paragraph or i really don't understand it.
( to my opinion, it shoud works like the pgp "secure viewer")

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Re: Check PGP signature

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Allie,

On 29 April 2001 at  14:02:51 -0500 (which was 20:02 where I  live) A
Curtis Martin wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on TBUDL and made these points:

aen>> It's just because i don't want to leave decrypted messages in my
aen>> mailbox. So I delete them in the mailbox and another time in the trash
aen>> to completely wipe them.

ACM> Ok. This is why I decrypt with PGP Tray these days. If I wish to
ACM> reply, I copy stuff from the PGP decryption window.

It has to be said that the recent suggestion of a Read filter which
picks up "(pgp decrypted)" in the subject of a read message and does a
filter action delete does the job beautifully. No double delete needed
since a filter action delete never "touches the sides on the way
down".

For me it makes complete and final sense of the plug-in.

Mind you, you have to set up a filter for each folder in which
decrypted messages might appear, but that's just a quick copy and
fudge of the original filter.

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Re: Check PGP signature

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:52:33 +0200, ad thoughtfully wrote the following:

aen>>> But in fact i'd like TB! behaves as it's written because i have to
aen>>> delete each decrypted message twice and that's a bit annoying.

ACM>> You lost me there. Would you explain what you meant there. Why do you have
ACM>> to delete each decrypted message twice?

aen> It's just because i don't want to leave decrypted messages in my
aen> mailbox. So I delete them in the mailbox and another time in the trash
aen> to completely wipe them.

Ok. This is why I decrypt with PGP Tray these days. If I wish to reply, I
copy stuff from the PGP decryption window.

But where is it written that TB! behaves otherwise from what we're
experiencing?

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aen Note that the message is NOT stored so you need to decrypt it this
aen way each time you read the message."

aen>> But in fact i'd like TB! behaves as it's written because i have to
aen>> delete each decrypted message twice and that's a bit annoying.

ACM> You lost me there. Would you explain what you meant there. Why do you have
ACM> to delete each decrypted message twice?

It's just because i don't want to leave decrypted messages in my
mailbox. So I delete them in the mailbox and another time in the trash
to completely wipe them.

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Re: Check PGP signature

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:03:58 +0200, ad thoughtfully wrote the following:

aen>>> Note that the message is NOT stored so you need to decrypt it this
aen>>> way each time you read the message."

aen> But in fact i'd like TB! behaves as it's written because i have to
aen> delete each decrypted message twice and that's a bit annoying.

You lost me there. Would you explain what you meant there. Why do you have
to delete each decrypted message twice?

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OK, so we agree that the help file is wrong on these two points:

aen>> "To decrypt an encrypted e-mail message from The Bat!, use "Check PGP
aen>> signature" command from the Tools menu.

aen>> Note that the message is NOT stored so you need to decrypt it this
aen>> way each time you read the message."

But in fact i'd like TB! behaves as it's written because i have to
delete each decrypted message twice and that's a bit annoying.

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Re: Check PGP signature

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:43:17 +0200, ad wrote these comments:

aen> so on pgp help page i found :

aen> "To decrypt an encrypted e-mail message from The Bat!, use "Check PGP
aen> signature" command from the Tools menu.

To decrypt an encrypted message you need to use the decrypt command. Go to
the menus and choose Tools/PGP/PGP decrypt. The password prompt should
appear. Type in your password and hit .

The other way to get at the pgp decrypt command is by right clicking on
the message and go to Specials/PGP decrypt or simply hit Shift-Ctrl-D.

aen> If the message is signed, PGP automatically checks its signature
aen> validity.

Yes.

aen> Note that the message is NOT stored so you need to decrypt it this
aen> way each time you read the message."

When TB! decrypts a message, it creates a decrypted copy and adds it to
the message list. The decrypted message is indicated by "(PGP decrypted)"
being appended to the subject header.

aen> But when I click on check pgp signature,

Checking a signature is really checking the signature in my message here.
This command isn't what you use to decrypt encrypted messages.

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Hi,

I've already post that problem a while but as I got no answer and saw a
new faq, here it is again :

so on pgp help page i found :

"To decrypt an encrypted e-mail message from The Bat!, use "Check PGP
signature" command from the Tools menu. If the message is signed, PGP
automatically checks its signature validity. Note that the message is
NOT stored so you need to decrypt it this way each time you read the
message."

But when I click on check pgp signature, It asks for my passphrase and
... nothing !
So i'd like to know what happens to you, I hoped a window opened with
my message decrypted or something like that.

thanks for help

THeBat 1.51 - PGP 5.5.8ckt - win98

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