Re: Re[2]: IMAP and searching?
Hi Matt, On 28/3/2005 12:53 PM -0800, you wrote: Ugh. This is such a bad "feature". I don't know how many times I've closed down the search window thinking it just wasn't working. I only discovered this when I left it open by mistake and suddenly saw all kinds of results on my search. At the least it should say something like "Querying server...". TB! IMAP is built on the legacy of TB!'s POP support. As a result there are many issues like this one. Filtering and sound alerts are other aspects that suffer quirky or erratic functionality for IMAP. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- The pendulum has gone full circle. p7sLHmdKlkbWG.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP and searching?
On Monday, March 28, 2005 @ 5:58:04 AM [-0700], Allie Martin wrote: > This why the search dialog just sits > there claiming the search was done and no matches found. You wait and > then the matches suddenly appear. Ugh. This is such a bad "feature". I don't know how many times I've closed down the search window thinking it just wasn't working. I only discovered this when I left it open by mistake and suddenly saw all kinds of results on my search. At the least it should say something like "Querying server...". -- Matt Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and searching?
Hi Ralph, On 28/3/2005 4:48 PM +0200, you wrote: As for bandwith: i use a 2mbit line, so that shouldn't be the bottleneck, i guess. That depends on the throughput your IMAP server allows. Bandwidth throttling may be there. However, if you are getting a 2Mbit connection then it shouldn't be a problem for you to retrieve all message bodies to cache for searching. Gotta try out the newer version you mentioned... Yes. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not so sure. p7sFVYIz7sMTH.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and searching?
Hi Ralph, On 28/3/2005 4:20 PM +0200, you wrote: AFAIK, my version was is the latest release version... confused now... Don't be. I'm the one confused. You're right!!! Sorry. :) IMAP is always changing. It's like a sinus wave of improvements and setbacks. I'd say IMAP was at a peak with the beta version 3.0.2.8. It then took a steep dip in reliability with the introduction of multiple server connection support with v3.0.2.10 . -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- How does one expect the unexpected? p7scDvAVxGlH4.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and searching?
Allie Martin wrote on Monday, March 28, 2005 4:26:03 PM (726 Beats): > For IMAP, you don't need to cache mail bodies to search. You shouldn't > have to do that. ThunderBird doesn't cache mail bodies for searching. > It queries the server. Same for Mulberry, the client I'm currently > using most often. You're right. Neither Thunderbird nor Outlook do cache. It seems my provider doesn't offer a server-search, so my only way to search are message headers. As for bandwith: i use a 2mbit line, so that shouldn't be the bottleneck, i guess. Gotta try out the newer version you mentioned... -- Regards, Ralph|mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |PGP Key ID: 0x5F1A33E3 Running The Bat! 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 pgpXkPrqkxPut.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and searching?
Hi Ralph, On 28/3/2005 4:16 PM +0200, you wrote: That's a pity, because Thunderbird and Outlook 2003 really seem to cache the mails because one can search. For IMAP, you don't need to cache mail bodies to search. You shouldn't have to do that. ThunderBird doesn't cache mail bodies for searching. It queries the server. Same for Mulberry, the client I'm currently using most often. If you have a relatively slow connection, you couldn't do searches if you had to cache everything locally for searching. I've never used Outlook, so I can't speak for it. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- A closed mouth gathers no feet. p7syXfyumbm7o.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP and searching?
Hello Ralph, Monday, March 28, 2005, 8:20:10 AM, you wrote: >> BTW, I see that you're running a beta version, and a beta version that >> I simply couldn't use for IMAP. RI> AFAIK, my version was is the latest release version... confused now... Yes, I believe it is. And given that fact you may straighten out some of you problems by getting the version Allie mentioned which was the last more or less stable beta that solved some of the issues with your version. (Note: your mileage may vary) -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and searching?
Allie Martin wrote on Monday, March 28, 2005 4:00:35 PM (708 Beats): > BTW, I see that you're running a beta version, and a beta version that > I simply couldn't use for IMAP. AFAIK, my version was is the latest release version... confused now... -- Regards, Ralph|mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |PGP Key ID: 0x5F1A33E3 Running The Bat! 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 pgp2VhTOAc5DZ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP and searching?
Hello Ralph, Monday, March 28, 2005, 7:46:40 AM, you wrote: RI> Well, the only "search" method that works for me, is the alt-click-method RI> (how do i return from those search results to normal view). The other two RI> don't work. To get the quick search to work you first have to select a message in the list. In other words your main highlight has to be in the list area and not on the message itself or in the folder list. Once it is there if you start typing a box should pop up with the letter you just typed. The first message to match this letter will now be highlighted. As you continue typing the message selected will change to match what you are typing. In the latest beta, once the selection you are trying to find is typed if you push enter you will get a list of all matches only (much like the Alt+click method). -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and searching?
Allie Martin wrote on Monday, March 28, 2005 3:58:04 PM (706 Beats): > Hmmm. Current TB! IMAP is such that I really can't speak with > confidence about what you should be experiencing. It may very well be > that the search isn't working for you since, for message body searches, > TB! queries the server and the search is done on the server. The > results are then sent back to TB!. This why the search dialog just sits > there claiming the search was done and no matches found. You wait and > then the matches suddenly appear. That's a pity, because Thunderbird and Outlook 2003 really seem to cache the mails because one can search. > Do you first select what it is you wish to quote? F4 will quote only > what you select. If nothing is selected, nothing is quoted. Of course, > you very likely already know this and are just pointing out erratic > behaviour on your system. Sorry, simply forgot 'bout selecting what to quoute before... -- Regards, Ralph|mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |PGP Key ID: 0x5F1A33E3 Running The Bat! 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 pgpgyIo94FSPS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and searching?
Hi Ralph, On 28/3/2005 3:50 PM +0200, you wrote: And finally, i see you can sign your messages. However, PGP doesn't seem to work when i chose my IMAP account as my sending account in templates... BTW, I see that you're running a beta version, and a beta version that I simply couldn't use for IMAP. The last decent beta for IMAP was v3.0.2.8. I'd try that one instead. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- People say I'm apathetic, but I don't care. p7sTpG3Rh8Zuq.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and searching?
Hi Ralph, On 28/3/2005 3:46 PM +0200, you wrote: Well, the only "search" method that works for me, is the alt-click-method (how do i return from those search results to normal view). The other two don't work. Hmmm. Current TB! IMAP is such that I really can't speak with confidence about what you should be experiencing. It may very well be that the search isn't working for you since, for message body searches, TB! queries the server and the search is done on the server. The results are then sent back to TB!. This why the search dialog just sits there claiming the search was done and no matches found. You wait and then the matches suddenly appear. Funny too is, that i can't quoute mails with F4, i only get a blank template - only a reply works. Do you first select what it is you wish to quote? F4 will quote only what you select. If nothing is selected, nothing is quoted. Of course, you very likely already know this and are just pointing out erratic behaviour on your system. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- People say I'm apathetic, but I don't care. p7s3qJ8zUHUTo.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and searching?
Ralph Inselsbacher wrote on Monday, March 28, 2005 3:50:15 PM (701 Beats): > And finally, i see you can sign your messages. However, PGP doesn't seem > to work when i chose my IMAP account as my sending account in templates... Oops. It sometimes works and sometimes doesn't... -- Regards, Ralph|mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |PGP Key ID: 0x5F1A33E3 Running The Bat! 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 pgpsyMEd16Rbs.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and searching?
And finally, i see you can sign your messages. However, PGP doesn't seem to work when i chose my IMAP account as my sending account in templates... -- Regards, Ralph|mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |PGP Key ID: 0x5F1A33E3 Running The Bat! 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 pgplj2eAmMxOl.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and searching?
Allie Martin wrote on Monday, March 28, 2005 3:30:23 PM (687 Beats): > Actually, no. It'll just work, but it wouldn't be as fast as if you had > all message bodies locally cached. Well, the only "search" method that works for me, is the alt-click-method (how do i return from those search results to normal view). The other two don't work. Funny too is, that i can't quoute mails with F4, i only get a blank template - only a reply works. >>> The alt-click and quick searching also work. >> >> How to use those? > Hold down the alt button while clicking on any item in the message > list. TB! will list all messages containing the same message list > element. > So if you wish to see all messages from me, just hold down the alt > button and click on my name in the message list. You can do the same > for message subject, and the various flags. You may wish to see all > messages with attachments. Just alt-click on the attachment icon in a > message containing an attachment. It's a great feature. > The quick search works by just typing in the message list field, the > string that you're searching for. The quick search will do only message > list searches. Not whole message searches. -- Regards, Ralph|mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |PGP Key ID: 0x5F1A33E3 Running The Bat! 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and searching?
Allie Martin wrote on Monday, March 28, 2005 3:30:23 PM (687 Beats): > Actually, no. It'll just work, but it wouldn't be as fast as if you had > all message bodies locally cached. Well, the only "search" method that works for me, is the alt-click-method (how do i return from those search results to normal view). The other two don't work. Funny too is, that i can't quoute mails with F4, i only get a blank template - only a reply works. >>> The alt-click and quick searching also work. >> >> How to use those? > Hold down the alt button while clicking on any item in the message > list. TB! will list all messages containing the same message list > element. > So if you wish to see all messages from me, just hold down the alt > button and click on my name in the message list. You can do the same > for message subject, and the various flags. You may wish to see all > messages with attachments. Just alt-click on the attachment icon in a > message containing an attachment. It's a great feature. > The quick search works by just typing in the message list field, the > string that you're searching for. The quick search will do only message > list searches. Not whole message searches. -- Regards, Ralph|mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |PGP Key ID: 0x5F1A33E3 Running The Bat! 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[2]: IMAP and searching?
Hi Ralph, On 28/3/2005 3:18 PM +0200, you wrote: For a full text search, i guess, i have to make a full sync - is that right? Actually, no. It'll just work, but it wouldn't be as fast as if you had all message bodies locally cached. The alt-click and quick searching also work. How to use those? Hold down the alt button while clicking on any item in the message list. TB! will list all messages containing the same message list element. So if you wish to see all messages from me, just hold down the alt button and click on my name in the message list. You can do the same for message subject, and the various flags. You may wish to see all messages with attachments. Just alt-click on the attachment icon in a message containing an attachment. It's a great feature. The quick search works by just typing in the message list field, the string that you're searching for. The quick search will do only message list searches. Not whole message searches. -- Allie Martin -=-=- Get the facts first - you can distort them later! p7sAR3j2tzm51.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP and searching?
Allie Martin wrote on Monday, March 28, 2005 3:12:13 PM (675 Beats): > What do you mean no option to search. You have all searching options at > your disposal. For a full text search, i guess, i have to make a full sync - is that right? > The search dialog doesn't seem to work since there's no progress bar to > look at and it always claims the search is complete. However, if you > wait, the matching messages eventually appear. Uncomfortable interface > issues, I grant you. > The alt-click and quick searching also work. How to use those? Thank you, gotta give that a try. -- Regards, Ralph|mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |PGP Key ID: 0x5F1A33E3 Running The Bat! 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 pgpxev96YSMH7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and searching?
Hi Ralph, On 28/3/2005 3:06 PM +0200, you wrote: i also tried out IMAP now and i'm confused, since there is no option to search, not even in the mail headers... Did i miss something or is that not possible with TB! What do you mean no option to search. You have all searching options at your disposal. The search dialog doesn't seem to work since there's no progress bar to look at and it always claims the search is complete. However, if you wait, the matching messages eventually appear. Uncomfortable interface issues, I grant you. The alt-click and quick searching also work. -- Allie Martin My System Specs here: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- You can never get rid of a bad temper by losing it. p7swzFlAjrIqW.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP and searching?
Hello TBUDL, i also tried out IMAP now and i'm confused, since there is no option to search, not even in the mail headers... Did i miss something or is that not possible with TB! -- Regards, Ralph|mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |PGP Key ID: 0x5F1A33E3 Running The Bat! 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
