Re: not receiving attachments
Hello ken, On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:06:44 -0600 GMT (08/01/2004, 03:06 +0700 GMT), ken green wrote: Thanks Marck, I will do that today. This may not be useful, but just now, there was a message that I *know* had a Word attachment because I viewed it away from my desk. That's a nice work-around. How many meters do you have to go away from your desk to view the attachment? scnr. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. What to not say to the nice policeman: I thought you had to be in relatively good physical condition to be a police officer. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03 Beta/25 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Hi Ken, @6-Jan-2004, 22:46 -0600 (07-Jan 04:46 UK time) ken green [K] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: This is file association gone sour down to silly content type settings. K Sounds like you are on the right track. This problem does not K appear to be happening on my laptop at all, and only started K happening recently on my desktop (which is why I'm convinced *I* K changed something). Okay. K I had been trying out some PDF programs that convert documents to K PDF format using a printer driver. Two of those programs K installed toolbar button in Word. Could this have anything to K with the content type problem? ... snip K But what do I do? Where do I start? What do I do next? Maybe reinstalling Word would help. It would replace the current associations for the application/msword type. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/28 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Maybe reinstalling Word would help. It would replace the current associations for the application/msword type. Thanks Marck, I will do that today. This may not be useful, but just now, there was a message that I *know* had a Word attachment because I viewed it away from my desk. At my desktop, I saw the message in The Bat and it indicated an attachment (in message list view). As soon as I clicked on the item, the attachment disappeared and could not be accessed through TB. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: This is file association gone sour down to silly content type settings. Marck, Sounds like you are on the right track. This problem does not appear to be happening on my laptop at all, and only started happening recently on my desktop (which is why I'm convinced *I* changed something). I had been trying out some PDF programs that convert documents to PDF format using a printer driver. Two of those programs installed toolbar button in Word. Could this have anything to with the content type problem? ISTM that MS is messing more and more with MIME types and they really shouldn't. It confuses the heck out of some hapless recipients down the line. Like you, for instance. But what do I do? Where do I start? What do I do next? -- Hapless Ken Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
ken- Sunday, January 4, 2004, 8:16:18 PM, you wrote: kg The only thing I can think of that might be an issue is that the kg messages in question are both affected by a filter that moves them to a kg common folder, and I have the attachment option set not to store with kg message, but in a specific folder. (grasping at straws, here...) Nope - that's how I have mine set, too, and messages moved with filters still have attachments ...er... attached... -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
ken- Sunday, January 4, 2004, 5:43:03 PM, you wrote: kg Since I first noticed it missing, I have restarted both TB and my kg computer - I suspect one of those may have fixed the problem. How long do you go without rebooting your computer? Windows likes to be rebooted every so often in order to rebuild its driver tables, especially if you've installed something new or changed some system setting. (or if there's unusual sunspot activity or if it's a day ending with the letter y). I now make sure I shut down my computers every night and restart them in the morning to give the house of cards called an operating system a chance to rebuild things. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Mark Wieder wrote: How long do you go without rebooting your computer? Windows likes to be rebooted every so often Yeah, I know about Windows... ;) I have gone for weeks without a reboot, but that's rare. I experienced this recent attachment issue (nothing to do with mommy) with my Windows box no more than 24 hours from a reboot. And this recent one that won't come back tells me something funny is going on. It's frustrating - I know that *something* changed, and I probably changed (broke) it. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Hi Ken, @5-Jan-2004, 02:01 -0600 (05-Jan 08:01 UK time) ken green [K] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Mark: How long do you go without rebooting your computer? Windows likes to be rebooted every so often K Yeah, I know about Windows... ;) I have gone for weeks without a K reboot, but that's rare. I experienced this recent attachment K issue (nothing to do with mommy) with my Windows box no more than K 24 hours from a reboot. K And this recent one that won't come back tells me something funny K is going on. It's frustrating - I know that *something* changed, K and I probably changed (broke) it. It's about the registered document type -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Hi Ken, @5-Jan-2004, 02:01 -0600 (05-Jan 08:01 UK time) ken green [K] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Mark: Try again - that one escaped! K Yeah, I know about Windows... ;) I have gone for weeks without a K reboot, but that's rare. I experienced this recent attachment K issue (nothing to do with mommy) with my Windows box no more than K 24 hours from a reboot. K And this recent one that won't come back tells me something funny K is going on. It's frustrating - I know that *something* changed, K and I probably changed (broke) it. Looking at the headers you posted in another branch of this thread, it looks to me that something is going awry with the registered document hive in your windows configuration. TB is enquiring as to the registered document type but is being fed a crock when it makes the enquiry of a corrupted windows kernel. This is probably because of an in-memory corruption of the Win9x OS due to needing a reboot. BTW the Content-Type: application/msword;, although reasonable to a degree, is bad - it's completely windows/mac-centric and non-portable. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Looking at the headers you posted in another branch of this thread, it looks to me that something is going awry with the registered document hive in your windows configuration. TB is enquiring as to the registered document type but is being fed a crock when it makes the enquiry of a corrupted windows kernel. This is probably because of an in-memory corruption of the Win9x OS due to needing a reboot. Not sure if this helps, but if I invoke Message Dispatcher and re-download the message in question, the Word doc attachment shows up. *AND* the previous version of message that wasn't showing the attachment now *does* show the attachment. BTW the Content-Type: application/msword;, although reasonable to a degree, is bad - it's completely windows/mac-centric and non-portable. Ummm... OK... So it's bad - who/what is setting the content-type? I thought this was MIME stuff set at the server level? (this is beyond my expertise, so excuse my ignorance on the subject) -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: This is probably because of an in-memory corruption of the Win9x OS due to needing a reboot. By the way, I am using Windows 2000, and the attachment still does not appear after a reboot. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Hi Ken, @5-Jan-2004, 17:38 -0600 (05-Jan 23:38 UK time) ken green [K] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: K Not sure if this helps, but if I invoke Message Dispatcher and K re-download the message in question, the Word doc attachment K shows up. *AND* the previous version of message that wasn't K showing the attachment now *does* show the attachment. This is file association gone sour down to silly content type settings. BTW the Content-Type: application/msword;, although reasonable to a degree, is bad - it's completely windows/mac-centric and non-portable. K Ummm... OK... So it's bad - who/what is setting the K content-type? The original sender. ISTM that MS is messing more and more with MIME types and they really shouldn't. It confuses the heck out of some hapless recipients down the line. Like you, for instance. K I thought this was MIME stuff set at the server level? (this is K beyond my expertise, so excuse my ignorance on the subject) The server usually only sets Received headers. Sometimes they add missing Message-Id headers and Spam processing or routing headers. Stuff like that. Any server that message with content types should not be doing so. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03 Beta/25 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Hallo ken, On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 15:14:00 -0600GMT (4-1-04, 22:14 +0100, where I live), you wrote: kg I received a message from an associate via a hotmail address. The kg message was sent to me and my business partner - both of us on the same kg domain using the same mail server. He received the attachment, I did kg not. He is using MS Outlook, I'm using the The Bat. We do have different kg ISPs. One thing you can count on with TB is that TB doesn't alter incoming messages, so if the message got at your mail server with an attachment, it still has that attachment when TB downloads it. There is a possibility that TB won't display the attachment for whatever reason. In that case you can press F9 while you've selected the message. Then you'll see the source code of the message. Now you'll see every part of the message. An attachment will look like this: --=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3C70F.9442ABA0 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name=kerstkrt je.jpg Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=kerstkrt je.jpg /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEAYABgAAD/2wBDAAMCAgMCAgMDAwMEAwMEBQgFBQQEBQoHBwYIDAoMDAsK CwsNDhIQDQ4RDgsLEBYQERMUFRUVDA8XGBYUGBIUFRT/2wBDAQMEBAUEBQkFBQkUDQsNFBQUFBQU FBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBT/wAARCAEQAjgDASIA AhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAAAgEDAwIEAwUFBAQA This is a part from the first attachment I could find in my messagebase, but it shows what you need to look for. Now you know what to look for, you can see whether the problem is TB or the sender. Remember TB doesn't alter incoming messages, it cannot do that, so the source code shows you the message your ISP delivered it to you. When you find an attachment included that TB won't show, you might try to forward the message to yourself. In some cases with problematic messages that helps to solve the problem. You might consider forwarding (using mime forwarding) the message to Ritlabs so that they can look into the reason why it didn't behave. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Roelof Otten wrote: Now you know what to look for, you can see whether the problem is TB or the sender. Remember TB doesn't alter incoming messages, it cannot do that, so the source code shows you the message your ISP delivered it to you. Wow, thanks for that excellent reply to my question. I went to go back to the message in question to test what you suggested, but the attachment was there! Since I first noticed it missing, I have restarted both TB and my computer - I suspect one of those may have fixed the problem. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
On Sunday, January 4, 2004 at 7:07:39 PM, Roelof Otten wrote in the message not receiving attachments mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: One thing you can count on with TB is that TB doesn't alter incoming messages, so if the message got at your mail server with an attachment, it still has that attachment when TB downloads it. That's not 100% true. When a POP server responds to a message download request, the RETR command, it sends the whole message ending with a period on one line by its self. The Bat! strips this final period out. Also, if I put a period on one line by its self when witting an e-mail, The Bat! turns that into two periods before sending (so it doesn't confuse the server) and then converts it back into one when it downloads the e-mail. . .. ... .. . -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. If you hear an onion ring, answer it. Using The Bat! v2.02 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Well... I received another message with an attachment where The Bat did not display as having an attachment. F9 showed this: --=_NextPart_000_0186_01C3D30B.45154A30 Content-Type: application/msword; name=2004-01-04_rbw_development.doc Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=2004-01-04_rbw_development.doc --=_NextPart_000_0186_01C3D30B.45154A30-- So, definitely a problem with The Bat. And I have absolutely no idea what is causing it. Because TB's display doesn't show the attachment, I cannot access it through the program's interface. Of course, I can go to the attachment folder and see the Word doc without a problem. Closing and restarting TB doesn't help. Shutting down Windows and restarting doesn't help. Not sure what is going on, or why the previous message suddenly started displaying the attachment. The only thing I can think of that might be an issue is that the messages in question are both affected by a filter that moves them to a common folder, and I have the attachment option set not to store with message, but in a specific folder. (grasping at straws, here...) It's very difficult to test, as this problem is intermittent. I just tried sending myself a message (separate accounts) with an attached Word doc. The message was filtered to a common folder. But the attachment was there where is was supposed to be. Interesting enough, I'm trying out PocoMail v3 and the mystery attachment came through fine... I haven't tried PocoMail out in a very long time, and I gotta say, this new version is pretty nice. It may be time to undertake the grueling task of switching mail clients. I haven't been very happy with The Bat lately, and frankly, I'm as tired of reading my whining on this list as everyone else is sure to be! ;) -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Hi ken Sunday, January 4, 2004, 4:14:00 PM, you wrote: kg I received a message from an associate via a hotmail address. The kg message was sent to me and my business partner - both of us on the same kg domain using the same mail server. He received the attachment, I did kg not. He is using MS Outlook, I'm using the The Bat. We do have different kg ISPs. Yep, I can confirm this behavior. The thing to notice though is that, like you, I only experience this problem when retrieving webmail through an HTTP proxy like hotmail popper. I use web2pop, but the story is the same - no problems on normal POP accounts, just on yahoo or hotmail. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Vishal Nakra wrote: Yep, I can confirm this behavior. The thing to notice though is that, like you, I only experience this problem when retrieving webmail through an HTTP proxy like hotmail popper. I use web2pop, but the story is the same - no problems on normal POP accounts, just on yahoo or hotmail. Sorry, re-reading my post, I realize that I was unclear: kg I received a message from an associate via a hotmail address. I meant that person *sent* me the mail from *his* hotmail address. Very bad sentence structure on my part. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
