Re: Saving old mail?
Hallo Jack, On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:49:23 -0500 GMT (17/09/2000, 11:49 +0800 GMT), Jack LaRosa wrote: JL I just looked at the preferences for my outbox and I have both the JL "Remove old messages" and "Compress the folder" boxes checked. The JL "keep nn messages/keep messages for nn days" boxes are set to zero. TF But they checkboxes are not ticked, are they? JL If by "ticked" you mean "containing a check mark" then, yes, they're JL ticked. Was I clear or not? - What I mean is, the "Keep message for nn days" and "Keep nn messages" shold *not* be ticked (equals: should *not* contain the tick mark). This way, only sent messages will be purged and unsent messages will be kept. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Saving old mail?
Hello Thomas, On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:23:42 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, September 14, 2000, 10:23:42 PM (GMT-6) my local time, you wrote: TF Hi Jack, TF On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:21:32 -0500GMT (15/09/2000, 08:21 +0800GMT), TF Jack LaRosa wrote: JL I just looked at the preferences for my outbox and I have both the JL "Remove old messages" and "Compress the folder" boxes checked. The JL "keep nn messages/keep messages for nn days" boxes are set to zero. TF But they checkboxes are not ticked, are they? If by "ticked" you mean "containing a check mark" then, yes, they're ticked. -- Sincerely, Jack LaRosamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Alabama, USA Message created 10:48:07 PM (GMT-6) on Saturday, September 16, 2000 = Using The Bat! ver. 1.45 (reg) under Windows 98 ver.4.10 build Service Pack A = -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Saving old mail?
Hi ztrader, On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:47:03 -0700GMT (14/09/2000, 07:47 +0800GMT), ztrader wrote: z (1) If I do that, is it possible to save only the message file and not z the index file? If I then try to read the message file by itself, will z it work without the index? If TB encounters a message database without index, it will reindex by automtically. No need to save the index file. z (2) The files would be renamed (date, etc added to name). If I do z this, can this file be read back easily, or does one have to set up z another folder for it? (I DON'T want to mix old and new messages at a z later time - just look at old ones only). I would think if you later anything, it cannot be read back easily. That's a guess. z (3) Is it easier to save as a Unix file instead? I'd prefer this as I z then could strip off extra headers and save a bit of space. You can save it as a unix file, but for TB to read it, you'll have to reimport it into TB msg base format. z (4) In a Unix file format, what are the MINIMUM required headers so TB z can read it OK? See 3. z (5) If I strip out the base64 coded part of attachments in the Unix z file, but leave the 'boundary' lines to show that there was an z attachment, will TB get confused by the 'boundary' lines still being z in there, without the base64 part? TB will show error "Cannot open file". If you click "OK", you can still read the message. z Last, but not least, is there a better way to manage old Bat mail :-)? Archive (move) into a dummy account within TB. No need too figgle with file manipulation. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.45 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Saving old mail?
On Wednesday, September 13, 2000, 4:47:03 PM, ztrader wrote: I'd like to save old mail messages in TB format. (1) If I do that, is it possible to save only the message file and not the index file? If I then try to read the message file by itself, will it work without the index? Yes, TB would recreate the index. Beware though all information stored in the index file would be lost (e.g., memo). Also remember to compress the folder before doing that, otherwise all deleted messages would be "undeleted". I also found doing so some (but few) read messages would be marked unread when the index is recreated. Since we don't know exactly what's stored in the index file, I would advice against it, especially considering that the index file is relatively small anyway. (2) The files would be renamed (date, etc added to name). If I do this, can this file be read back easily, or does one have to set up another folder for it? (I DON'T want to mix old and new messages at a later time - just look at old ones only). Put the .tbb (and .tbi if you save the index file) in a directory of its own under your "home directory" (the one with your account information), then press ALT-CTRL-SHIFT-L in TB, and TB would "find" the "lost" folder and add it to your folder tree. (3) Is it easier to save as a Unix file instead? I'd prefer this as I then could strip off extra headers and save a bit of space. If you don't care all the extra information (parked, flagged, colored, replied marks and memo, etc.) which would be lost. Also, when you reimport the unix mailbox file, the "received date" would be changed to the date/time when the import occurs. (4) In a Unix file format, what are the MINIMUM required headers so TB can read it OK? The absolute minimum is the starting "From" (no colon) line, which is used in unix mailbox format to mark the start of a message, and in fact not part of the message header. Generally you would at least want to save the "From:" (the real "From" information), "To", "Date" and "Subject" fields. If you want keep the threading, then the "References" field is necessary. Last, but not least, is there a better way to manage old Bat mail :-)? I put old mail in a sub-folder under the regular folder (E.g., I have a "The Bat" folder for the two mailing lists, and an "Old" folder under it). When the sub-tree is collapsed, this "Old" folder won't show in the folder tree pane, so no extra space is taken. It won't take extra resources and won't slow down regular operation. It sometimes takes a little more time to start TB should it needs to refresh to folder message count, but it doesn't happen often for the information should be stored in the index file (I've no idea exactly when TB would do this). Even when that happens, the delay is hardly noticeable (my computer is old and I've tones of old mail). The old mail folders aren't updated everyday (I move old mail over once per week, month, or several months, depending on the speed new mail accumulates for a folder), so it won't take extra backup space for my daily incremental backup. The upside for this approach is I can easily search mail in the parent folder (new mail) only, the sub-folder (old mail) only, or both. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/6 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Saving old mail?
Ming-Li, Regarding your message dated: 14 September 2000... (1) If I do that, is it possible to save only the message file and not the index file? If I then try to read the message file by itself, will it work without the index? ML Yes, TB would recreate the index. ML ...snip... ML Also remember to compress the folder before doing that, otherwise ML all deleted messages would be "undeleted". I'd like to add one 'major' consideration to this point. As Ming-Li noted, previously deleted messages may reappear if the folder was not compressed before the index file was deleted. The big warning here is that the 'Outbox' folder under TB is not set by default to automatically compress and purge. Normally, I have all my folders set to 'compress and purge' when TB exits - it adds about 30 seconds to the programs close but it does keep my folders nice and tidy. That means I don't manually need to ask TB to perform purge and compress myself. However, I had omitted to change the properties of the Outbox folder when I set the purge and compress option on my other folders. The result?... When the index file for my Outbox folder was deleted/lost/corrupted (still not sure exactly what happened to it) TB happily recreated it. Unfortunately, to my great embarrassment, that meant recreating about 30 messages which I'd already sent... and because they were then sitting in the outbox TB happily resent them! Regular readers here may recall that one such message was one I'd already sent to TBUDL by mistake so I ended up having to apologise twice for the same mistake. Needless to say, the purge/compress flag is permanently set on my Outbox now... just in case. :) I believe horses have a relevant expression regarding stable doors and bolting... Best Wishes, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.46 Beta/5 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Saving old mail?
Hallo Mark, On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:50:50 +0100 GMT (14/09/2000, 21:50 +0800 GMT), Mark R Harding wrote: MRH The big warning here is that the 'Outbox' folder under TB is not set MRH by default to automatically compress and purge. Since the sent messages are copied to the Sent folder, this surprises me on second thought. They are not, for no reason, needed to remain in the Outbox, so one would not suspect them to be there. But yo are right, I just checked, and all messages I ever sent are there, taking up huge amounts of disk space of course. MRH Normally, I have all my folders set to 'compress and purge' when MRH TB exits - it adds about 30 seconds to the programs close I used to that that with all folders and took up to ten minutes. The purging cannot be cancelled, and if you hit "close" by mistakem, this also cannot be cancelled. That's why I purgecompress manually. MRH Needless to say, the purge/compress flag is permanently set on my MRH Outbox now... just in case. :) I just did that too. It's just one folder per account. ;-) MRH I believe horses have a relevant expression regarding stable doors and MRH bolting... This must be an English expression... -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Saving old mail?
Thomas, Regarding your message dated: 14 September 2000... MRH I believe horses have a relevant expression regarding stable doors and MRH bolting... TF This must be an English expression... The proper expression is... "That's like bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted." Which loosely means that preventative measures are kind of wasted if you wait until after the problem occurs before implementing them. It's normally spoken in a nice sneering sarcastic sort of tone... :) Best wishes, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.46 Beta/5 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Saving old mail?
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 6:50:50 AM, Mark wrote: Needless to say, the purge/compress flag is permanently set on my Outbox now... just in case. :) By "purge/compress" flag do you mean both the "Remove old messages" and "Compress the folder" checkboxes or just the latter? I check only the latter, which would physically remove deleted (including sent) messages. I'm not sure about the former. I know it would purge old messages according to certain conditions (keep nn messages/keep messages for nn days), but I don't know if it would purge unsent messages (not drafts) as well. E.g., if I set the Outbox to keep zero message, and auto-purge on exit, then would it purge my unsent messages upon exit? -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/6 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Saving old mail?
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 7:35:14 AM, Mark wrote: The proper expression is... "That's like bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted." There's a similar saying in Chinese, but with "sheep" instead of horses. :) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/6 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Saving old mail?
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 7:05:37 AM, Thomas wrote: MRH The big warning here is that the 'Outbox' folder under TB is MRH not set by default to automatically compress and purge. Since the sent messages are copied to the Sent folder, this surprises me on second thought. They are not, for no reason, needed to remain in the Outbox, so one would not suspect them to be there. But yo are right, I just checked, and all messages I ever sent are there, taking up huge amounts of disk space of course. It's because TB moves sent messages from the Outbox folder to the Sent folder the same way it moves other messages--by copying them over and deleting the originals (it's basically what "moving" works in computer anyway). As any other database applications, a deletion is in fact a "nominal" action, meaning it's marked as deleted in the index file. A deleted message is physically removed only when a folder is compressed. So when an index file is lost and TB recreates it, all deleted messages naturally reappear. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/6 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Saving old mail?
Hallo Ming-Li, On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:49:48 -0700 GMT (14/09/2000, 22:49 +0800 GMT), Ming-Li wrote: Needless to say, the purge/compress flag is permanently set on my Outbox now... just in case. :) ML E.g., if I set the Outbox to keep zero message, and auto-purge on ML exit, then would it purge my unsent messages upon exit? Yes, it does. "Keep zero messages" will only keep parked messages. How about only ticking "On Exit: Compress Folder" and leaving everything else unticked. This should get rid of deleted messages I would think. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Saving old mail?
Hallo Ming-Li, On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:42:46 -0700 GMT (14/09/2000, 22:42 +0800 GMT), Ming-Li wrote: ML It's because TB moves sent messages from the Outbox folder to the ML Sent folder the same way it moves other messages--by copying them ML over and deleting the originals (it's basically what "moving" works ML in computer anyway). I am perfectly aware of this from a programming POV. However, from a user's POV, my database keeps growing and growing over years and years, and I don't even know about it. Shouldn't the Outbox be compressed by default? -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Saving old mail?
Ming-Li, Regarding your message dated: 14 September 2000... ML On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 6:50:50 AM, Mark wrote: Needless to say, the purge/compress flag is permanently set on my Outbox now... just in case. :) ML By "purge/compress" flag do you mean both the "Remove old messages" ML and "Compress the folder" checkboxes or just the latter? Well, the truth is that I have both boxes ticked for most folders including the Outbox. However, by purge/compress I probably really only refer to the latter as the necessity to rid the folder database file of unwanted (previously sent) messages. I rarely use the time-out or number-out options of "Keep nn messages" or "Keep messages for nn days" except for a few mail-list folders where I generally create a separate archive folder and only keep the last 20 days or so of messages in the 'current' folder... this just keeps things brisk (ito response time) when accessing folders such as my folders for TBUDL where normally I only need to reference the most recent messages for following recent threads and posting replies. Only occasionally do I need to dig up some hint of info posted 12 months ago which means a trip to the archive folder instead. I suppose I could just selectively pick what to keep but I don't always have time to read all threads every day (and hence ctrl-m gets a liberal use) but whilst disk-space is not an issue having the entire history of threads since I subscribed plus a reasonable use of the search tool I can generally dig up my own answers... ML I check only the latter, which would physically remove deleted ML (including sent) messages. I'm not sure about the former. I know ML it would purge old messages according to certain conditions (keep ML nn messages/keep messages for nn days), but I don't know if it ML would purge unsent messages (not drafts) as well. E.g., if I set ML the Outbox to keep zero message, and auto-purge on exit, then ML would it purge my unsent messages upon exit? I just did a quick experiment with this and the answer is yes. I wrote this reply, put it in the Outbox, set Outbox prefs to keep 0 messages, exited TB. When TB restarted the message had gone. Luckily, I did ctrl-paste the text into a TextPad temporarily so I didn't have to rewrite this message ... before anyone laughs at me! Best wishes, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.46 Beta/5 Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Saving old mail?
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 8:11:07 AM, Thomas wrote: I am perfectly aware of this from a programming POV. However, from a user's POV, my database keeps growing and growing over years and years, and I don't even know about it. Shouldn't the Outbox be compressed by default? Maybe. I'm not sure. In addition to sent (and automatically deleted) messages, there are also manually deleted messages in the Outbox, just as any other folder. Auto-compression would purge those messages as well. It might be what the user wants, but it might not be. The best solution, as has been suggested before, is a place for the user to set the default properties for all the folders. On second thought, though, I do set the Outbox to be compressed on exit, while I don't do that for any other folder for an extra layer of safety. So maybe it should be set as such by default for the Outbox. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/6 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Saving old mail?
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 8:06:51 AM, Thomas wrote: Yes, it does. "Keep zero messages" will only keep parked messages. How about only ticking "On Exit: Compress Folder" and leaving everything else unticked. This should get rid of deleted messages I would think. Ok, then that's what I've been doing all along. I was just (and still) wondering what Mark meant by "purge/compress flag". -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/6 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Saving old mail?
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:27:51 -0700, Ming-Li wrote: (3) Is it easier to save as a Unix file instead? I'd prefer this as I then could strip off extra headers and save a bit of space. ML If you don't care all the extra information (parked, flagged, ML colored, replied marks and memo, etc.) which would be lost. Also, ML when you reimport the unix mailbox file, the "received date" would ML be changed to the date/time when the import occurs. While the extra info really is lost (why not put some X-Bat-Flag header into the messages when exporting?), the received time should be correct (starting with version 1.42). Regards Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Saving old mail?
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:47:03 -0700, ztrader wrote:
z (5) If I strip out the base64 coded part of attachments in the Unix
z file, but leave the 'boundary' lines to show that there was an
z attachment, will TB get confused by the 'boundary' lines still being
z in there, without the base64 part?
To be sure that TB! doesn't get confused, replace the little header
just after the boundary line with
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
(or maybe charset=ISO-8859-1 or whatever and ...encoding: 8bit)
After these two lines leave an empty line and then you can put as many
commentary lines ("here was attachment xxx.yyy which i have deleted")
as you wish.
Regards
Peter
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Re[2]: Saving old mail?
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 1:49:42 PM, you wrote:
PS To be sure that TB! doesn't get confused, replace the little header
PS just after the boundary line with
PS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
PS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
PS After these two lines leave an empty line and then you can put as many
PS commentary lines ("here was attachment xxx.yyy which i have deleted")
PS as you wish.
Good idea - thanks for the tip. THis is done by a program, not 'me',
so it would not have notes (unless I come up with a really smart
program :-).
ztrader
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Re: Saving old mail?
Hello Mark, On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:12:27 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, September 14, 2000, 10:12:27 AM (GMT-6) my local time, you wrote: MRH Ming-Li, MRH Regarding your message dated: 14 September 2000... ML On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 6:50:50 AM, Mark wrote: Needless to say, the purge/compress flag is permanently set on my Outbox now... just in case. :) ML By "purge/compress" flag do you mean both the "Remove old messages" ML and "Compress the folder" checkboxes or just the latter? MRH Well, the truth is that I have both boxes ticked for most folders MRH including the Outbox. However, by purge/compress I probably really MRH only refer to the latter as the necessity to rid the folder database MRH file of unwanted (previously sent) messages. snip-- snip-- ML I check only the latter, which would physically remove deleted ML (including sent) messages. I'm not sure about the former. I know ML it would purge old messages according to certain conditions (keep ML nn messages/keep messages for nn days), but I don't know if it ML would purge unsent messages (not drafts) as well. E.g., if I set ML the Outbox to keep zero message, and auto-purge on exit, then ML would it purge my unsent messages upon exit? MRH I just did a quick experiment with this and the answer is yes. MRH I wrote this reply, put it in the Outbox, set Outbox prefs to keep 0 MRH messages, exited TB. MRH When TB restarted the message had gone. Luckily, I did ctrl-paste the MRH text into a TextPad temporarily so I didn't have to rewrite this MRH message ... before anyone laughs at me! I just looked at the preferences for my outbox and I have both the "Remove old messages" and "Compress the folder" boxes checked. The "keep nn messages/keep messages for nn days" boxes are set to zero. I frequently leave messages in the outbox simply because I forgot to send them. They are *not* saved as drafts and always reappear the next time I start TB!. They *are* sent (without a status change) when I remember to send them. Apparently for me, they are purged *only* after they are sent. -- Sincerely, Jack LaRosamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Alabama, USA Message created 7:10:39 PM (GMT-6) on Thursday, September 14, 2000 = Using The Bat! ver. 1.45 (reg) under Windows 98 ver.4.10 build Service Pack A = -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Saving old mail?
Hi Jack, On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:21:32 -0500GMT (15/09/2000, 08:21 +0800GMT), Jack LaRosa wrote: JL I just looked at the preferences for my outbox and I have both the JL "Remove old messages" and "Compress the folder" boxes checked. The JL "keep nn messages/keep messages for nn days" boxes are set to zero. But they checkboxes are not ticked, are they? JL Apparently for me, they are purged *only* after they are sent. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Saving old mail?
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 1:56:31 PM, Peter wrote: While the extra info really is lost (why not put some X-Bat-Flag header into the messages when exporting?), the received time should be correct (starting with version 1.42). Indeed, my mistake. Thanks for the correction. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Saving old mail?
I'd like to save old mail messages in TB format. (1) If I do that, is it possible to save only the message file and not the index file? If I then try to read the message file by itself, will it work without the index? (2) The files would be renamed (date, etc added to name). If I do this, can this file be read back easily, or does one have to set up another folder for it? (I DON'T want to mix old and new messages at a later time - just look at old ones only). (3) Is it easier to save as a Unix file instead? I'd prefer this as I then could strip off extra headers and save a bit of space. (4) In a Unix file format, what are the MINIMUM required headers so TB can read it OK? (5) If I strip out the base64 coded part of attachments in the Unix file, but leave the 'boundary' lines to show that there was an attachment, will TB get confused by the 'boundary' lines still being in there, without the base64 part? Last, but not least, is there a better way to manage old Bat mail :-)? Thanks, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
