Re: Message finder's count of found messages exceeds the number of results listed if the search scope includes virtual folders that also see the found messages

[MFPA]

Hi


On Wednesday 9 September 2020 at 6:40:35 PM, in
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> Confirmed and note added.  

Thank you.


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Re: Message finder's count of found messages exceeds the number of results listed if the search scope includes virtual folders that also see the found messages

[MAU]

Hello MFPA,

> If you can confirm this, please consider adding a note to
> https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=2076.

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Message finder's count of found messages exceeds the number of results listed if the search scope includes virtual folders that also see the found messages

[MFPA]

Hi

When the folders selected for a message search include a virtual folder that 
also "sees" some of the found messages, those messages are counted in both the 
real folder and the virtual folder. So the count of found messages exceeds the 
number of messages available in the results list.

Open message finder.
Enter search terms.
Select folders. Do not include virtual folders.
Hit "Start".
All three message counts in the status bar will match the number of messages 
displayed in the results window.
Add a virtual folder that will see some of the already-found messages.
Hit "Start" again.
Two of the three message counts in the status bar will have increased. The 
third will match the number of messages displayed in the results window.

If you can confirm this, please consider adding a note to 
https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=2076.

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Re: Virtual Folders

[Roger Phillips]

Hello Avram,

Further  to  my  previous answer, I have only now noticed that you are using
gmail  and  of  course  my  suggestions to you apply to POP3 accounts.  IMAP
accounts are something else and I am not an expert on them.

Hoping someone else can help you.


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Re: Virtual Folders

[Roger Phillips]

Hello Avram,
Monday, October 22, 2012, 6:46:17 AM, among other things, you wrote:

AS I would appreciate it if someone could explain to me how virtual folders 
work in The Bat.

AS 1.  For example, is it possible to set up a rule that copies every
AS incoming message in a mail account to two folders: one folder based on
AS some criteria, such as subject, mailing list, etc, and one folder that
AS receives all messages.  The latter folder would allow all messages that
AS come in at one time to be more easily viewed that hunting for them among a 
couple dozen folders.
Open  an  ordinary  folder which would receive all the messages you want and
then  attach  a  virtual  folder  to  it  which sorts according to the other
special  criteria, or perhaps attach more than one virtual folder with other
sorting criteria. 


AS 2.  Is it possible to enable messages from many different mail accounts
AS to be copied into the virtual folder?
I  don't  think  so,  but  you  could take messages to one folder by using a
'Common' filter and attach virtual folders to that common folder.

AS Of course, I could accomplish no. 1 by leaving them in the inbox and
AS copying them as well into whatever folder I want to place them.  But,
AS this takes up double the disk space for each message.  
Not  so  if  you do as I suggest above.  Messages will only be stored in the
ordinary folder, having been moved from the Inbox.

AS With  a  virtual  older,  the  message is stored only once, but is also
AS seen by the virtual folder.  Lotus Notes allows for this.  How does it
AS work  in  The  Bat?  I don't see a way to filter messages into a virtual
AS folder.
The  filters  for  the  virtual  folder  are accessed via the virtual folder
properties once you have created the virtual folder. 


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Re: Virtual Folders

[Jim Kyle]

Sunday, October 21, 2012, 11:46:17 PM, you wrote:

 I would appreciate it if someone could explain to me how virtual folders
 work in The Bat.

I'll start by saying that all of this reply deals only with POP3 access to
the server; I do not use IMAP at all. I want my messages stored only on my
local machines, not retained on a server outside my control -- and I do use
a gmail account, configured to download via POP3 at regular intervals.

I have three virtual folders: unread, flagged, and parked, in addition to
five account folders and almost 200 common folders that form a filing
system for my messages. The five accounts connect to three actual mail
servers: one from my ISP, one from my web presence provider, and one from
gmail. The other accounts allow for different formatting of outgoing
messages. All except for the ISP account are checked for incoming mail at
intervals ranging from 5 to 10 minutes, staggered to minimize the number of
times more than one is being checked at the same time. The common folders
form a tree with a small number of general categories at the top, more
specific categories in some of those, and specific correspondents at the
lowest level.

When incoming messages arrive, the Sorting Office in TB! moves all that it
can recognize to the appropriate common folder. At the same time, the
unread virtual folder collects the address of each new message within the
tree of common folders. Those not recognized by the Sorting Office remain
in the inbox of the appropriate account so that I can move them manually,
and they too appear in the unread virtual folder, which is the only one I
display in the message list (selected by tabs at the bottom of the message
list pane). I also use the sound properties of each account folder and
some common folders to help me identify the sources of messages that are of
most interest to me.

Once the accounts are set up, all this is automatic, and it's why I
continue to use TB! even though I have to do so in a virtual machine since
I no longer boot directly into Windows. When I create a new common folder,
there's an area in its property pages to select which virtual folders watch
it. If I create another virtual folder, its properties include filter
criteria and a list of actual folders that it will watch. My Sorting Office
filters always just direct messages to one of the common folders. And after
these initial setup steps, TB! does the rest automagically.

Hope this helps! The best way to learn, though, is to try it for yourself
and experiment a bit.

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Re: Virtual Folders

[Rick]

AS I would appreciate it if someone could explain to me how virtual folders 
work in The Bat.

AS 1.  For example, is it possible to set up a rule that copies
AS every incoming message in a mail account to two folders: one
AS folder based on some criteria, such as subject, mailing list, etc,
AS and one folder that receives all messages.  The latter folder
AS would allow all messages that come in at one time to be more
AS easily viewed that hunting for them among a couple dozen folders. 

AS 2.  Is it possible to enable messages from many different mail
AS accounts to be copied into the virtual folder?

AS Of course, I could accomplish no. 1 by leaving them in the inbox
AS and copying them as well into whatever folder I want to place
AS them.  But, this takes up double the disk space for each message. 
AS With a virtual folder, the message is stored only once, but is
AS also seen by the virtual folder.   Lotus Notes allows for this. 
AS How does it work in The Bat?  I don't see a way to filter messages into a 
virtual folder.

I  have  multiple  accounts and have separate virtual folders to watch
all  the  Inboxes  at once. The mail stays in the correct inbox, yet I
can  view  it  and  act on it in accordance with it's specific account
settings

I  have  another that views all the trash folders, which makes it easy
to clean out the trash each night

Yet  another views all of certain color groups across all folders with
the sort by name and showing the account in which it resides

The  virtual folder it basically a view of whatever you want, filtered
and sorted the way you want it

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Re: Virtual Folders

[MAU]

Hello Avram,


 I would appreciate it if someone could explain to me how virtual
 folders work in The Bat.

Perhaps a simple way of describing Vfs is seeing them as a window that
looks into as many physical folders as you wish, and displays only the
messages that meet the criteria you specify in the Filter of the VF.
Create a VF, then right click on it and select Properties and in the
bottom left of the dialog you can select that folders you want the VF to
look at and monitor. And if you select Filter, specially if you select
'Advance filter settings' you can set up the conditions the messages to
be displayed must meet, very similarly as you do in Sorting Office
filters.

 2.  Is it possible to enable messages from many different mail
 accounts to be copied into the virtual folder?

Yes, no problem in that. The VF doesn't need to be a Common VF to do it.


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Re: Virtual Folders

[Roger Phillips]

Hello Miguel,
Monday, October 22, 2012, 7:14:54 PM, among other things, you wrote:

 2.  Is it possible to enable messages from many different mail
 accounts to be copied into the virtual folder?

M Yes, no problem in that. The VF doesn't need to be a Common VF to do it.
Thank  you  for  this,  I  had  never realised that one could link a virtual
folder to more than one ordinary folder or archive.


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Re: Virtual Folders

[MAU]

Hello Roger,


 2.  Is it possible to enable messages from many different mail
 accounts to be copied into the virtual folder?

M Yes, no problem in that. The VF doesn't need to be a Common VF to do it.
 Thank  you  for  this,  I  had  never realised that one could link a virtual
 folder to more than one ordinary folder or archive.

Let me just clarify one thinkg, for you and for Avram, just in case.
Messages are never *copied* to Virtual Folders, they are just
*displayed* as if the actually were in the folder, that is why they are
called *virtual*. Messages shown by a VFs are actually and only in one
or more physical folders from one or more accounts.

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Virtual Folders

[Avram Sacks]

I would appreciate it if someone could explain to me how virtual folders work 
in The Bat. 

1.  For example, is it possible to set up a rule that copies every incoming 
message in a mail account to two folders: one folder based on some criteria, 
such as subject, mailing list, etc, and one folder that receives all messages.  
The latter folder would allow all messages that come in at one time to be more 
easily viewed that hunting for them among a couple dozen folders.   

2.  Is it possible to enable messages from many different mail accounts to be 
copied into the virtual folder?

Of course, I could accomplish no. 1 by leaving them in the inbox and copying 
them as well into whatever folder I want to place them.  But, this takes up 
double the disk space for each message.   With a virtual folder, the message is 
stored only once, but is also seen by the virtual folder.   Lotus Notes 
allows for this.  How does it work in The Bat?  I don't see a way to filter 
messages into a virtual folder.   

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Removing Common Folders (was: Removing Virtual Folders)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Richard,

On Wed, 21 May 2008 20:31:25 -0400 GMT (22/05/2008, 07:31 +0700 GMT),
Richard Newman wrote:

TF Sorry, if we are talking about Common Folders and not Virtual Folders,
TF highlight the folder and use Folder / Delete from the main menu.

RN  Sorry but delete is greyed out in Folder/Delete from the
RN  main menu of three identical unnamed common folders.

Not here. Sorry, I can't help any further.

Somebody else?

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Re: Removing Virtual Folders

[Richard Newman]

Hello Thomas,

Monday, May 19, 2008, 6:27:34 PM, you wrote:
TF Sorry, if we are talking about Common Folders and not Virtual Folders,
TF highlight the folder and use Folder / Delete from the main menu.
 Sorry but delete is greyed out in Folder/Delete from the
 main menu of three identical unnamed common folders.
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Re: Removing Virtual Folders

[Richard Newman]

Hello Thomas,

Monday, May 19, 2008, 12:02:11 AM, you wrote:
 RN   How do I get rid of the three virtual folders?
TF Right-click on the folder name and choose delete from the context
TF menu.
That only deleted the contents of the common folder (Junk
Mail) but left three unnamed virtual folders in tack.
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Re: Removing Virtual Folders

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Richard,

On Mon, 19 May 2008 10:52:23 -0400 GMT (19/05/2008, 21:52 +0700 GMT),
Richard Newman wrote:

 RN   How do I get rid of the three virtual folders?

TF Right-click on the folder name and choose delete from the context
TF menu.

RN That only deleted the contents of the common folder (Junk
RN Mail) but left three unnamed virtual folders in tack.

I'm confused.

Virtual folders are results of permanent searches. When you delete a
VF, this wouldn't delete the contents, i.e. the mails, but the VF.

Common folders are another story. In these, you can store messages
that don't belong to an account. Properties on those should both
enable you to name them as well as to delete them.

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Re: Removing Virtual Folders

[Richard Newman]

Hello Thomas,

Monday, May 19, 2008, 1:21:29 PM, you wrote:
TF I'm confused.
It seems as though I have a common Junk Mail folder that I
assumed was a common folder. And I have three unnamed common folders which
reflect the content of the Junk Mail folder along with a standard
Inbox, Outbox and Sent Mail.
TF Common folders are another story. In these, you can store messages
TF that don't belong to an account. Properties on those should both
TF enable you to name them as well as to delete them.
   Delete is greyed out on the three unnamed common folders. There
   is a Common Folders Preference box which only has Options,
   Templates and Memo from the normal Preference box. There is no
   option to name or delete them.
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Re: Removing Virtual Folders

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Richard,

On Mon, 19 May 2008 15:02:48 -0400 GMT (20/05/2008, 02:02 +0700 GMT),
Richard Newman wrote:

TF Common folders are another story. In these, you can store messages
TF that don't belong to an account. Properties on those should both
TF enable you to name them as well as to delete them.

RNDelete is greyed out on the three unnamed common folders. There
RNis a Common Folders Preference box which only has Options,
RNTemplates and Memo from the normal Preference box. There is no
RNoption to name or delete them.

Sorry, if we are talking about Common Folders and not Virtual Folders,
highlight the folder and use Folder / Delete from the main menu.

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Removing Virtual Folders

[Richard Newman]

Hello Bat People,

  I recently did a clean reinstall and restore. The only problem I
  have with the same is that I ended up with one common folder for
  Junk Mail used by AntiSpamSniper for The Bat and three virtual
  folders that point to that common junk mail folder.

  How do I get rid of the three virtual folders?
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Re: Removing Virtual Folders

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Richard,

On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:01:56 -0400 GMT (19/05/2008, 07:01 +0700 GMT),
Richard Newman wrote:

RN   How do I get rid of the three virtual folders?

Right-click on the folder name and choose delete from the context
menu.

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Re[2]: Account for common virtual folders

[Carsten Guthardt-Schulz]

Hi MFPA,

Ok, I fixed it. It's definitely a bug, but you can solve it by playing around 
with the This is the default account checkbox on several accounts: I removed 
it from my default account (account 1), so there was officially no account 
defined as default anymore. Message from the Virtual Folders were still created 
from account 3. So I set and then removed the flag from account 3, which 
resulted in new messages being created from account 2. Setting and removing the 
flag there resulted in finally new message being created from account 1!


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Re[2]: Account for common virtual folders

[Carsten Guthardt-Schulz]

Hello MFPA,

Monday, January 28, 2008, 1:31:41 AM, you wrote:

 Here, if I create a new message when the selected folder is a
 common virtual folder I get a dialog box to select the account
 before a new message window opens. I also get this if I click a
 mailto: link.

Do you have a default account defined (check under the account settings/general 
if the box at this is the default account for mailto: url's is checked on any 
account)?

I get this dialog box when clicking on a mailto: - link without having a 
default account defined. But when creating a message from a virtual folder I 
don't get it.

The version I am currently using is 4.0.0.15 alpha, but the behaviour was the 
same with 3.99.x.

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Re: Account for common virtual folders

[MFPA]

Hi

On Monday 28 January 2008 at 9:07:42 AM, in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Carsten Guthardt-Schulz
wrote:

 Do you have a default account defined

No. I want to choose the account each time I write a message.

 (check under the account settings/general if the box at this is
 the default account for mailto: url's is checked on any
 account)?

Is there really nowhere to just look/set what is the default
without searching the properties of each account individually?

 I get this dialog box when clicking on a mailto: - link without
 having a default account defined.

I also get it if I have a password-protected account defined as
the mailto: default (provided TB! is not open at the time with
that account expanded).

 But when creating a message from a virtual folder I don't get
 it.

If you put a password-protected account at the top of the list in
your account tree, I would expect you to get the pop-up when
creating a new message while viewing a virtual or a common folder
(as long as that account is not expanded). I have a dummy account
there with no server settings - this must be why!

 The version I am currently using is 4.0.0.15 alpha, but the
 behaviour was the same with 3.99.x.

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Re: Account for common virtual folders

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Carsten,

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:58:25 +0100 GMT (26/01/2008, 22:58 +0700 GMT),
Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote:

 In the folder properties add a macro for New Message containing
 %ACCOUNT=accountname

CGS I can't: These folders do not have Templates. In the Edit
CGS Folder Properties window I only have the two sections
CGS General and Filter.

True, common folders don't have tempaltes.

CGS This is really a big problem, since I mostly read my messages in
CGS Virtual Folders, and whenever I create a new message now, it's
CGS default account is the wrong one, and I have to change it
CGS manually on each email.

I don't think think the problem is the virtual folder but that the
message is located in a common folder.

This is what I have done: XRay adds a header X-Apparently-To to each
incoming message, showing the account on which it was originally
received. When replying, the reply template uses it and extracts the
account name, and with the %Account= macro and a regex the correct
account is used for sending.

I think you are a new member of this list; I posted the template here
only recently. If you think this would work for you, I'll see whether
I still have the message on my computer.

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Re[2]: Account for common virtual folders

[Carsten Guthardt-Schulz]

Hello Thomas,

Sunday, January 27, 2008, 3:41:04 PM, you wrote:


 This is what I have done: XRay adds a header X-Apparently-To to each
 incoming message, showing the account on which it was originally
 received. When replying, the reply template uses it and extracts the
 account name, and with the %Account= macro and a regex the correct
 account is used for sending.

Well, the problem is not with replying: When replying, The Bat automatically 
replies from the account the original message (not the one in the VFolder) is 
located in. So that's fine.

My problem is when creating a *new* message. Usually it is created from the 
account currently selected, or from the default account if you click on a 
mailto: link. But when browsing Virtual Folders, it is created from an account 
that is not the default account. I habe no idea why, but the problem is 
reproducable, and I don't see a way where to configure the default from: - 
account for new messages created when viewing a virtual folder.

It looks like a bug, maybe I'll have to report it to bugtrack.

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Re: Account for common virtual folders

[MFPA]

Hi

On Sunday 27 January 2008 at 9:17:20 PM, in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Carsten Guthardt-Schulz
wrote:


 My problem is when creating a *new* message. Usually it is
 created from the account currently selected, or from the default
 account if you click on a mailto: link. But when browsing
 Virtual Folders, it is created from an account that is not the
 default account. I habe no idea why, but the problem is
 reproducable, and I don't see a way where to configure the
 default from: - account for new messages created when viewing a virtual 
 folder.

Here, if I create a new message when the selected folder is a
common virtual folder I get a dialog box to select the account
before a new message window opens. I also get this if I click a
mailto: link.


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Re: Account for common virtual folders

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Carsten,

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:17:20 +0100 GMT (28/01/2008, 04:17 +0700 GMT),
Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote:

CGS Well, the problem is not with replying: When replying, The Bat
CGS automatically replies from the account the original message (not
CGS the one in the VFolder) is located in. So that's fine.

OK.

CGS My problem is when creating a *new* message. Usually it is
CGS created from the account currently selected, or from the default
CGS account if you click on a mailto: link. But when browsing Virtual
CGS Folders, it is created from an account that is not the default
CGS account. I habe no idea why, but the problem is reproducable, and
CGS I don't see a way where to configure the default from: - account
CGS for new messages created when viewing a virtual folder.

There should be a pop-up, see MFPA's message.

CGS It looks like a bug, maybe I'll have to report it to bugtrack.

Let us first know which version you are using.

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Re[2]: Account for common virtual folders

[Carsten Guthardt-Schulz]

Hello Uwe,

 In the folder properties add a macro for New Message containing
 %ACCOUNT=accountname

I can't: These folders do not have Templates. In the Edit Folder Properties 
window I only have the two sections General and Filter.
You can try it yourself: Create a new Common Virtual Folder, right-click on it 
and select properties.

This is really a big problem, since I mostly read my messages in Virtual 
Folders, and whenever I create a new message now, it's default account is the 
wrong one, and I have to change it manually on each email.


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Account for common virtual folders

[Carsten Guthardt-Schulz]

Hi all,

Is there a way to configure the account from which new mails are created when I 
am in a common virtual folder?

When I am reader mail in these virtual folders (in my case they are on top of 
all the accounts), and then want to create a new message with Ctrl-N, it is 
created from my 3rd account. I have no idea why, as this is not even my default 
account. How can I change this?

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Re: Account for common virtual folders

[Uwe Steinfeld]

Hello Carsten,

 Is there a way to configure the account from which new mails are
 created when I am in a common virtual folder?

In the folder properties add a macro for New Message containing
%ACCOUNT=accountname

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Re: Virtual folders not refreshing

[Nick Dutton]

Hello Peter,

On Wednesday, June 20, 2007, you wrote:
ND Can anyone else confirm this?

PM Yes, I can confirm this for my VF that is supposed to show messages of
PM the last 24 hours. There is an entry in the bug tracker about this
PM issue: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3132

Thanks - and apologies for not checking bug tracker myself... TB!'s
just been working for me for ages now, I'm out of the habit!

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Virtual folders not refreshing

[Nick Dutton]

Hello,

I have set up some virtual folders for things like:
Today, Yesterday, This Week, Recent Junk etc.

I seem to remember that, in the old days, navigating away and then
back would update a stale VF. Now I find that I need to perform a
Folder-Refresh in order for them to update.

Can anyone else confirm this?

TIA,

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Re: Virtual folders not refreshing

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Nick,

on  Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:45:18 +0100GMT (19.06.2007, 15:45 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

ND I have set up some virtual folders for things like:
ND Today, Yesterday, This Week, Recent Junk etc.

ND I seem to remember that, in the old days, navigating away and then
ND back would update a stale VF. Now I find that I need to perform a
ND Folder-Refresh in order for them to update.

ND Can anyone else confirm this?

Yes, I can confirm this for my VF that is supposed to show messages of
the last 24 hours. There is an entry in the bug tracker about this
issue: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3132


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Re: [unclassified] Re: Stopping Virtual folders from marking read

[Adam Clarke]

Hi Chris,

Wednesday, May 17, 2006, 5:24:06 AM, you wrote:

 I've set all my accounts up to only mark as read when the message is
 opened up in a new window but I can't seem to find this option for
 virtual folders.

 Account Properties - Options - Uncheck Mark messages as read...

 Does that do it?

Aha!  Success!   Many  Thanks.I hadn't thought of virtual
folders  having  account  properties.   And  separate  templates for virtual
folders too - that makes them even more useful.

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Re: Stopping Virtual folders from marking read

[Chris]

Adam Clarke @ 5/16/2006 6:14:08 PM
Stopping Virtual folders from marking read mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I've set all my accounts up to only mark as read when the message is
 opened up in a new window but I can't seem to find this option for
 virtual folders.

Account Properties - Options - Uncheck Mark messages as read...

Does that do it?

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MailTicker only active on non-virtual folders?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

I just wondered why my mailticker doesn't open anymore since I
switched to the 3.5.x versions. I have one folder unread that
collects all unread mails from all relevant folders, and I used to
have that folder watched by MailTicker only. Worked fine.

Not anymore. Only when I switch to a real folder (not a virtual
folder) will MailTicker show up. Tried it with the same messages
unread, so its not a problem of priority- or message age-settings.

Can anyone confirm this? But as nobody has mentioned this on the lists
I guess I am again doing something stupid...?

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Re: * after message total for virtual folders in folder list following folder maintenance

[MFPA]

Hi

On Monday 14 March 2005 at 5:01:26 PM, in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander S. Kunz
wrote:

 H. I don't see that here (I remember I used to, but I tried to do a
 maintenance and it doesn't appear now). Maybe its simply an indicator that
 the VF's contents are re-evaluated?

As there seems to be no mention in the help file perhaps we shall
never know what it's trying to say  ;-)

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Re: * after message total for virtual folders in folder list following folder maintenance

[MFPA]

Hi

On Monday 14 March 2005 at 7:11:59 PM, in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Stuart Cuddy wrote:

 Are  you using IMAP?

No.

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Re: * after message total for virtual folders in folder list following folder maintenance

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello MFPA  everyone else,

on 13-Mrz-2005 at 15:03 you (MFPA) wrote:

 Whenever I do any Folder Maintenance, virtual folders that are
 not empty display * after the message total in the folder list
 / account tree. It disappears when I select the folder.

 What is that all about?

H. I don't see that here (I remember I used to, but I tried to do a
maintenance and it doesn't appear now). Maybe its simply an indicator that
the VF's contents are re-evaluated?

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Re[2]: * after message total for virtual folders in folder list following folder maintenance

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Alexander,
Monday, March 14, 2005, 11:01:26 AM, you wrote:

 Whenever I do any Folder Maintenance, virtual folders that are
 not empty display * after the message total in the folder list
 / account tree. It disappears when I select the folder.

 What is that all about?

ASK H. I don't see that here (I remember I used to, but I tried to do a
ASK maintenance and it doesn't appear now). Maybe its simply an indicator that
ASK the VF's contents are re-evaluated?

Are  you using IMAP? I think it was used to indicate a situation where
messages were not synced yet with the server.
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* after message total for virtual folders in folder list following folder maintenance

[MFPA]

Hi

Whenever I do any Folder Maintenance, virtual folders that are
not empty display * after the message total in the folder list
/ account tree. It disappears when I select the folder.

What is that all about?

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Re: Virtual folders and known filters

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Lynn,

04-Sep-2004 06:42, you wrote:

ASK What if you alter the filtering rules to something... simple?

 There is no filtering to that folder that I'm aware of - am I missing
 something?

Right-click on the Virtual Folder and open its properties. There's a tab
Filter. Is the checkbox use filter ticked?

Virtual Folders are being filtered into not the common way. If you think
of the messages in a normal folder as a database, then a Virtual Folder
is a certain viewpoint to that database - by defining Virtual Folder
filter rules you tell the virtual folder you only want to see messages of
this-and-that type (according to your filter rules).

For example, you could track any private conversation between you and me by
creating a virtual folder that watches your inbox and your sent-mail folder
with a filter applied so that it will show only messages from/to you/me.


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Re[2]: Virtual folders and known filters

[Lynn]

Friday, September 3, 2004, 10:29:40 AM, you wrote:

MM I know it cannot help *now*, when the corruption
MM already happened, but it can save lots of future
MM screams, and perhaps modify them to the ones of a
MM pleasure. (-:

Hmm. Well, that folder wasn't one that I restored with
TB's utility, it's just one I made on *this* particular
install .. so whatever the problem is, it didn't happen
there.

It's not watching any folders. I changed its name.

But it still claims the parked messages are there, and
won't be deleted sigh

MM Just to say, yet, that TB has no any Recover option,
MM its just Restore one. One should be careful with it.

It's always worked well for me, so far anyway. It did
restore my AB with no hitches .. *that* was something of a
relief! lol!

Thanks for continuing to puzzle over it .. there *must* be
some way to get rid of it .. it's a constant testimony to
my clumsiness sitting there at the end of the folder list!

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Re[2]: Virtual folders and known filters

[Lynn]

Saturday, September 4, 2004, 1:12:45 AM, you wrote:

ASK Right-click on the Virtual Folder and open its
ASK properties. There's a tab
ASK Filter. Is the checkbox use filter ticked?

Nothing is ticked in the properties for that filter except
'remove old messages' and 'compress the folder' ..
actually, there was never any box checked on the filter
tab.

ASK Virtual Folders are being filtered into not the
ASK common way. If you think of the messages in a
ASK normal folder as a database, then a Virtual Folder
ASK is a certain viewpoint to that database - by
ASK defining Virtual Folder filter rules you tell the
ASK virtual folder you only want to see messages of
ASK this-and-that type (according to your filter rules).

OK .. that's nice to know.

ASK For example, you could track any private conversation
ASK between you and me by creating a virtual folder that
ASK watches your inbox and your sent-mail folder with a
ASK filter applied so that it will show only messages
ASK from/to you/me.

And again .. but still doesn't apply.

Thanks for trying though ..

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Re: Virtual folders and known filters

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ._)~~
 ~( __ _o   Was Thu, 2 Sep 2004, at 16:45:47 -0700,
   @  @  when Lynn wrote:

 Thursday, September 2, 2004, 3:43:48 PM, you wrote:

 However, in messing around I created a virtual inbox
 folder which I can't now get rid of; it says there are
 parked messages in it, which there are not, that I can
 find, but I can't delete it.

M Can't you rename it? And/or change the folder(s) it
M is watching?

 I can rename it, but that doesn't help. I unchecked
 the folder it was watching, but that didn't help either.
 It's *sure* there are parked messages there, but it won't
 show them, and I can't figure out how to get rid of them.

 I ran maintenance, but that didn't change anything.

 It was saying 174 messages in it, though showing none,
 and I managed to delete them, or at least it's not showing
 them any more, but it *still* says there are parked
 messages ...

 Aaarrrghhh!

I now the feeling. It's nice if a (wo)man is able to scream; the really
serious trouble begins in a silence. (-:

As I can see you were using so called Backup function of TB. I did it
only once, and then yet another time, and it was nuff to me... to learn
to *never* use it for any backup. Simply because it *damages* files, and
it *cannot* be recovered.

For back-up I use an ordinary archiving program (as Arj, or
WinZip...), because it is *much* safer. If by any chance such archive is
corrupted (but this type of corruption is very, very rare; it happened
to me only once, and just because HDD was damaged) it *can* be recovered
(to the decent degree, and sometimes even entirely), which with TB's
Backup utility it is *not* possible.

That's one of reasons I keep my Mail folder separately, on a separate
partition, and am doing its complete backup, just by (recursively)
compressing entire folder (with all subfolders and files in it).

Then I do the same with TB folder.

And finally am copying TB registry entry (usually to the compressed Mail
folder).

Then I always am able to restore my mail and all my settings, even after
a worst play with something nasty, as with TBv3, for instance. And all
of that just in few minutes (about 20.000 letters in this moment, and
~400 folders, 2-3 active accounts and about 20 inactive ones).

I know it cannot help *now*, when the corruption already happened, but
it can save lots of future screams, and perhaps modify them to the ones
of a pleasure. (-:

Just to say, yet, that TB has no any Recover option, its just
Restore one. One should be careful with it.

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Re[2]: Virtual folders and known filters

[Lynn]

Friday, September 3, 2004, 5:13:55 AM, you wrote:

 It was saying 174 messages in it, though showing none,
 and I managed to delete them, or at least it's not
 showing them any more, but it *still* says there are
 parked messages ...

ASK What if you alter the filtering rules to something...
ASK simple?

There is no filtering to that folder that I'm aware of -
am I missing something?

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Re: Virtual folders and known filters

[MAU]

Hello Lynn,

 However, in messing around I created a virtual inbox
 folder which I can't now get rid of; it says there are
 parked messages in it, which there are not, that I can
 find, but I can't delete it.

Can't you rename it? And/or change the folder(s) it is watching?

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Re[2]: Virtual folders and known filters

[Lynn]

Thursday, September 2, 2004, 3:43:48 PM, you wrote:

 However, in messing around I created a virtual inbox
 folder which I can't now get rid of; it says there are
 parked messages in it, which there are not, that I can
 find, but I can't delete it.

M Can't you rename it? And/or change the folder(s) it
M is watching?

I can rename it, but that doesn't help. I unchecked
the folder it was watching, but that didn't help either.
It's *sure* there are parked messages there, but it won't
show them, and I can't figure out how to get rid of them.

I ran maintenance, but that didn't change anything.

It was saying 174 messages in it, though showing none,
and I managed to delete them, or at least it's not showing
them any more, but it *still* says there are parked
messages ...

Aaarrrghhh!

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Virtual folders and known filters

[Lynn]

Hi all -

I have a frustrating problem.

When I installed the first v2 TB, something bad happened to
my templates, and I hoped that installing v2.12 would fix
them. As it didn't, (apparently when I imported the
backups, I imported the problem too) I deinstalled and
reinstalled.

Naturally, that dumped my message base, and I had hoped to
recover that somehow, but apparently I'm going to have to
do without it. I recovered some with the import tool, but
most won't work. Possibly because they are in subfolders?

However, in messing around I created a virtual inbox
folder which I can't now get rid of; it says there are
parked messages in it, which there are not, that I can
find, but I can't delete it.

Finding RitLab's announcement when I logged in this
morning didn't help ... :-( I'm not sure I want to go
through the whole reinstall thing again, and have to
rebuild all my filters - which brings me to a weird thing
that's happening with my known filters ... there are at
least 4 of them and for a while they kept shifting to the
top of the list ... that seems to have stopped, but I
can't delete the extras .. anybody got an idea what's
going on here?

tia,

Lynn


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Re: Virtual Folders Question

[9Val]

Hello Critter,  

C where can i find more information regarding the store state between
C sessions on the filter tab for virtual folders?

If   it  is  checked VF saves which message were in it before close so
after  program  restart  no additional filtering needed. This helps to
start   faster,   but  can produce appearing of non-actual messages in
VF, if it contains age/date conditions.

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Virtual Folders Question

[Critter]

where can i find more information regarding the store state between
sessions on the filter tab for virtual folders?

Crit


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Re: Virtual Folders Question

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Critter,

@4-Aug-2004, 11:41 -0400 (04-Aug 16:41 UK time) Critter said to The:

 where can i find more information regarding the store state between
 sessions on the filter tab for virtual folders?

Only here, for now.

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Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: Virtual Folders Question)

[Chris]

Marck D Pearlstone @ 2004-Aug-4 11:52:39 AM
Mod: Cut mark (was: Virtual Folders Question) mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

   °
Oh! It's a :trout: (trout)! I never noticed that.

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Virtual Folders: Is there a way to make it (the folder in the tree) bold (or change color) when there are mails IN the folder?

[Jurgen Haug]

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is  there  a  setting to make a virtual folder change its look when there are actually
messages  inside? I set one up to have flagged messages, so that I don't
forget  to  reply  to  mails,  but then it's so easy to oversee when there's one
inside.

and anyone out there being able to help me with my chat problem? O:-)
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Re: Mod: Inadequate subject (was: Virtual Folders)

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Allie,

on Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:25:30 -0500GMT, you wrote:

AM moderator
AM ...

AM The subject you used to start this thread is inadequate. It doesn't
AM contain enough to adequately reflect what the message is about.

AM Some areas are just too broad to make the subject adequate by simply
AM stating the part or feature that you're discussing.

AM Virtual Folders: How do I use them?

AM Would have been better. It would save those who don't wish to take
AM part in a how to thread the trouble of reading that thread once it
AM develops.

You are certainly right. But how would a /newbie/ know, that there are
so many issues about VFs that have been and will be discussed? ;-)

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Re: Mod: Inadequate subject (was: Virtual Folders)

[Allie Martin]

Peter Meyns, [PM] wrote:

 You are certainly right. But how would a /newbie/ know, that there are
 so many issues about VFs that have been and will be discussed? ;-)

The first time I moderated a message subject on TBUDL, it was poor
Maggie who was the gulp victim /gulp. She felt like one too and we
had to clear up that problem off-list.

I wrote to Darrin about this and it turns out that he didn't mind, and
agreed that my interjection was reasonably placed. So it's OK.

It will take a while but I suspect I'll soon not have to moderate
subjects a lot. In fact there has been a marked improvement already.
I'm impressed. :D

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Virtual Folders

[Darrin Rich]

Hello,

  I havent tried them yet. Can someone send a link that helps explain
  how they work and some examples of what to use them for? I was using
  Operas M2 email client before, which uses views. I assume thats sort
  of what virtual folders are. Is that correct?
  Thanks
 
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Re: Virtual Folders

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Darrin,

on Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:28:59 -0700GMT, you wrote:

DR   I havent tried them yet. Can someone send a link that helps explain
DR   how they work and some examples of what to use them for? I was using
DR   Operas M2 email client before, which uses views. I assume thats sort
DR   of what virtual folders are. Is that correct?

I never used Opera for mailing, so I can't say.

Virtual Folders summon messages that apply to certain search criteria
like unread or flagged or parked or whatever from one or more
accounts.

For my own purposes I have only one VF that shows flagged messages
from all accounts. When I view my emails, I sometimes flag a message,
when I intend to do anything with it later. I find them all in my
flagged VF.

I'm sure that some other members make more use of this feature.

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Re: Virtual Folders

[Darrin Rich]

Hi Peter,
On 7/24/2004 7:41 AM my time, Peter wrote:
PM For my own purposes I have only one VF that shows flagged messages
PM from all accounts. When I view my emails, I sometimes flag a message,
PM when I intend to do anything with it later. I find them all in my
PM flagged VF.


That sounds like a very useful feature. Ill have to look into the help
files to figure out how to set that up. Thanks for the idea Peter
 
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Re: Virtual Folders

[Tim Musson]

Hey Darrin,

My MUA believes mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
was written on Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 10:28:59 AM.

DR   I havent tried them yet. Can someone send a link that helps explain
DR   how they work and some examples of what to use them for? I was using
DR   Operas M2 email client before, which uses views. I assume thats sort
DR   of what virtual folders are. Is that correct?
DR   Thanks
 
I just set up my first one 2 days ago. I wanted to start using
BayesIt, so set one up to list all messages from my TB folder with
BayesIt in the subject line.

I read over 100 messages, and found answers to all my questions except
1, which I then asked on the list yesterday.

If you know how to create a normal folder, search, and create a
filter, you should have no problems. The only thing I had a bit of
trouble with is you need to *left* click the filter criteria, not
right click it.

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Re: Virtual Folders

[Darrin Rich]

Hi Tim,
On 7/24/2004 8:47 AM my time, Tim wrote:
TM If you know how to create a normal folder, search, and create a
TM filter, you should have no problems. The only thing I had a bit of
TM trouble with is you need to *left* click the filter criteria, not
TM right click it.


Ill give it a go and see how it works out. Thanks :)
 
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Re: Virtual Folders

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Darrin Rich,

24-Jul-2004 16:28, you wrote:

 I havent tried them yet. Can someone send a link that helps explain how
 they work and some examples of what to use them for? I was using Operas
 M2 email client before, which uses views. I assume thats sort of what
 virtual folders are. Is that correct? Thanks

Funny. Thats the question I wanted to ask when I subscribed to the list
just today. :-)

As far as I can tell the difference between M2's database views and TB's
virtual folders is that M2 can auto-adapt the views according to messages
added or removed to/from the view (learning with a Bayes filter, or
something). However, I just started using virtual folders...

[IMHO the way that M2 deals with sorting/classification is the key to mail
handling in the future, and hopefully TheBat will pick the idea up. The
mailer side of TheBat itself is simply way out of reach for M2, thats why I
returned to TheBat]

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Re: Virtual Folders

[Darrin Rich]

Hi Alexander,
On 7/24/2004 9:45 AM my time, Alexander wrote:
ASK [IMHO the way that M2 deals with sorting/classification is the key to mail
ASK handling in the future, and hopefully TheBat will pick the idea up. The
ASK mailer side of TheBat itself is simply way out of reach for M2, thats why I
ASK returned to TheBat]


You share the exact same opinion on this as I do. The sorting side of
M2 is the best I have ever experienced. I can handle tons of emails
and be able to locate them with little effort. Thebat is far superior
on the other details. The combination of thebat and M2 combined would
be my dream email client.
 
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Re: Virtual Folders

[Mica Mijatovic]

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 ~( __ _o   Was Sat, 24 Jul 2004, at 16:41:06 +0200,
   @  @  when Peter Meyns wrote:

 For my own purposes I have only one VF that shows flagged messages
 from all accounts. When I view my emails, I sometimes flag a message,
 when I intend to do anything with it later. I find them all in my
 flagged VF.

 I'm sure that some other members make more use of this feature.

I had such intention and have made several VFs. Then I grasped that they
really need a *time* for recounting the respected messages. So, I got
beck to just a flagged VF. (-; It's anyway useful feature, and serves
me as a reminder of messages I have to reply to.

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Re: Virtual Folders

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Darrin Rich,

24-Jul-2004 18:55, you wrote:

ASK [IMHO the way that M2 deals with sorting/classification is the key to
ASK mail handling in the future, and hopefully TheBat will pick the idea
ASK up. The mailer side of TheBat itself is simply way out of reach for
ASK M2, thats why I returned to TheBat]

 You share the exact same opinion on this as I do. The sorting side of
 M2 is the best I have ever experienced. I can handle tons of emails
 and be able to locate them with little effort. Thebat is far superior
 on the other details.

I just couldn't stop thinking about a way of reaching something similar in
TheBat (I began to hate all the subfolders in various accounts and adapting
filter criteria again and again to catch all messages once I knew how it is
handled in M2).

So far, I've tried simulating that functionality by combining TheBat with
PopFile (a Bayes filter that can handle multiple buckets and not only keep
ham and spam apart, http://popfile.sourceforge.net). If you limit yourself
to a reasonable number of buckets (so that the learning won't take forever)
you can set up virtual folders that filter by the X-Text-Classification
header that PopFile adds to the messages.

However, wrong classifications by PopFile (which naturally do happen in the
beginning) lead to the mails being shown in the wrong virtual folder. You
can reclassify them in PopFile, but the mail is already imported into TB's
messagebase by then. Problematic when you subscribe to a new mailinglist,
sign up for another newsletters - in short: whenever the classification
needs to be enhanced/adapted (false positives are guaranteed during the
first couple of mails).

Because of that, I currently filter to common folders and maybe switch to
virtual folders, later (when PopFile has received more training).


 The combination of thebat and M2 combined would be my dream email client.

Exactly. :-)

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Re: Virtual Folders

[Jimmie Toney]

Peter on Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:28:59 -0700GMT, you wrote:

SNIP

Peter Virtual Folders summon messages that apply to certain search criteria
Peter like unread or flagged or parked or whatever from one or more
Peter accounts.

Peter For my own purposes I have only one VF that shows flagged messages
Peter from all accounts. When I view my emails, I sometimes flag a message,
Peter when I intend to do anything with it later. I find them all in my
Peter flagged VF.

Care to elaborate on how you have the filters and such set up for this operation, 
sounds
like something I would like. 

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Re: Virtual Folders

[Darrin Rich]

Hi Alexander,
On 7/24/2004 10:16 AM my time, Alexander wrote:
ASK I just couldn't stop thinking about a way of reaching something similar in
ASK TheBat (I began to hate all the subfolders in various accounts and adapting
ASK filter criteria again and again to catch all messages once I knew how it is
ASK handled in M2).
Exactly.

ASK So far, I've tried simulating that functionality by combining TheBat with
ASK PopFile (a Bayes filter that can handle multiple buckets and not only keep
ASK ham and spam apart, http://popfile.sourceforge.net)

Ill have to look into Popfile. I havent tried that yet.



 
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Re[2]: Virtual Folders

[Richard Wakeford]

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Hello Jimmie,

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
JT Care to elaborate on how you have the filters and such set up for this operation, 
sounds
JT like something I would like.

Can I jump in here because I was flummoxed by virtual filters for a
while and was scared to use them and they are, if fact, so easy.

Right click anywhere in the account and choose New/Virtual folder. Give
it a suitable name and then choose filter and there you are, you can
choose to sort by Fast Search or set up a more detailed folder. I have a
couple of Virtual Folders for Parked messages.

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Re: Virtual Folders

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 Peter For my own purposes I have only one VF that shows flagged messages
 Peter from all accounts. When I view my emails, I sometimes flag a message,
 Peter when I intend to do anything with it later. I find them all in my
 Peter flagged VF.

 Care to elaborate on how you have the filters and such set up for this
 operation, sounds like something I would like.

Firstly you create a new virtual folder. Then, in its Properties, under
Filter tab you check Flagged. Then you Select folders you want to
see flagged messages from (I use all of them from all accounts).

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Virtual Folders

[Darrin Rich]

Hello,

  I want to create a virtual folder that shows emails from a specific
  address book. Can some one give me the steps to do so? Once I create
  this folder does work on previous emails I have or only on emails
  that were received once the folder was created?
 
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Re: Virtual Folders

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Hello Darrin,

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

DR I want to create a virtual folder that shows emails from a specific
DR   address book.

Create a new virtual folder. Select Filter/Use filter. LEFT click on
any message and take your pick. Should do it.

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Re: Virtual Folders

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Darrin,
Saturday, July 24, 2004, 3:03:18 PM, you wrote:

DR   I want to create a virtual folder that shows emails from a specific
DR   address book. Can some one give me the steps to do so?
 
In the account you want the Virtual folder, right click and select New
 - Virtual Folder, or Common Virtual Folder.

Give it a name.

Select Filter Tab and then Check the Use Filter Box.

Left click on the words Any Message and select Address Book. (Note
this will only filter on names in your address books not in a specific
address book, I think)

Then left click on Sender and make a selection from the drop down box,
or just use sender.

The alternative to this is to Select Address Group instead of Address
book. This gives you a chance to select from only a specific group
within your address book.

When you click on OK you will be given a chance to select which
Accounts and folders to look in. Click to select a folder, CTRL
click to select the whole account.

DR Once I create this folder does work on previous emails I have or
DR only on emails that were received once the folder was created?

 It should automatically add every message you have that meet the
criteria, old and new.

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Re: Virtual Folders

[Tim Sharrock]

Saturday, July 24, 2004, 6:16:28 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

re baysian sorting...

 So far, I've tried simulating that functionality by combining TheBat with
 PopFile (a Bayes filter that can handle multiple buckets and not only keep
 ham and spam apart, http://popfile.sourceforge.net). If you limit yourself
 to a reasonable number of buckets (so that the learning won't take forever)
 you can set up virtual folders that filter by the X-Text-Classification
 header that PopFile adds to the messages.

 However, wrong classifications by PopFile (which naturally do happen in the
 beginning) lead to the mails being shown in the wrong virtual folder. You
 can reclassify them in PopFile, but the mail is already imported into TB's
 messagebase by then. Problematic when you subscribe to a new mailinglist,
 sign up for another newsletters - in short: whenever the classification
 needs to be enhanced/adapted (false positives are guaranteed during the
 first couple of mails).

 Because of that, I currently filter to common folders and maybe switch to
 virtual folders, later (when PopFile has received more training).

I use a two stage process - I have Popfile classify mail, and
then have a Bat! input-filter set a corresponding
colour-group from the X-Text-Classification header.

I then have my virtual folders set up based on the
colour-groups.

When a message is mis-classified, I can then double click on
the X-Popfile-Link header (which I display in the header
panel) to tell Popfile, and also right-click in the
message-list-pane to change the colour-group, this is then
picked up by the virtual folders.

Tim

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Re: Virtual Folders

[Darrin Rich]

Hi Stuart,
On 7/24/2004 1:43 PM my time, Stuart wrote:
SC The alternative to this is to Select Address Group instead of Address
SC book. This gives you a chance to select from only a specific group
SC within your address book.


Would I just type in the address book name?
 
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Re[2]: Virtual Folders

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Darrin,
Saturday, July 24, 2004, 4:26:23 PM, you wrote:

SC The alternative to this is to Select Address Group instead of Address
SC book. This gives you a chance to select from only a specific group
SC within your address book.


DR Would I just type in the address book name?
 

Again, this seems to only apply to the subgroups that are under the
Address Book, but yes you just type the name of the group in that
little blank space.


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Re: Virtual Folders

[Darrin Rich]

Hi Stuart,
On 7/24/2004 2:39 PM my time, Stuart wrote:
SC Again, this seems to only apply to the subgroups that are under the
SC Address Book, but yes you just type the name of the group in that
SC little blank space.


Thanks for the help. It seemed to work if I just select address book.
But If I select address group and type in the name of the specific
group, nothing shows up.
By selecting just address book thats pretty much the same as
Inbox-known.
 
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Re: Virtual Folders

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Tim Sharrock,

24-Jul-2004 23:16, you wrote:

 I use a two stage process - I have Popfile classify mail, and then have a
 Bat! input-filter set a corresponding colour-group from the
 X-Text-Classification header.

 I then have my virtual folders set up based on the colour-groups.

 When a message is mis-classified, I can then double click on the
 X-Popfile-Link header (which I display in the header panel) to tell
 Popfile, and also right-click in the message-list-pane to change the
 colour-group, this is then picked up by the virtual folders.

That is smart! I never knew what to do with color groups before. :-) Thanks
for the tip!

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Hiding virtual folders

[Thomas Andersson]

Hi list,

thank you for all help with finding the %cookie macro. I'll be sure
to RTFM next time ;-)

New question:
Is there a way to hide virtual folders so that they are only visible
in the Virtual-tab and not the all-tab? I have quite a few virtual
folders and I want to make some room for my normal folders.

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Moving Virtual Folders

[Darrin]

Hi,
How do I move the my virtual folders all in one area under the *ALL*
view in the account tree? I would like to have them all at the bottom
of my account tree, underneath my bottom email account.
Thanks
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Re: Moving Virtual Folders

[Darrin]

Hello Darrin,

Thursday, June 3, 2004, 5:44:45 AM, you wrote:

D How do I move the my virtual folders all in one area under the *ALL*
D view in the account tree?

Just figured it out. This is only my second time using tbat in quite
some time. Im trying to get used to it all over again.

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Re: Hiding virtual folders

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Thomas,

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:19:38 +0200 GMT (03/06/2004, 17:19 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Andersson wrote:

TA Is there a way to hide virtual folders so that they are only visible
TA in the Virtual-tab and not the all-tab? I have quite a few virtual
TA folders and I want to make some room for my normal folders.

I couldn't find it. All means all. ;-)

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Re: Virtual Folders - Strange Messages from 1899

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Bob,

on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:33:35 +1000GMT, you wrote:

BM I have a virtual folder set up to keep track of messages that I flag
BM in any of my accounts.

BM I have noticed that sometimes when I open the virtual folder that I
BM have a large number of blank messages shown as both flagged and
BM parked.  All show their received and creation date as 30 DEC 1899 and
BM size as -1.
BM ...

BM Has anyone else seen this? Is it a bug or just an undocumented feature
BM for some unknown purpose?

I'd say it's a bug. See bugtrack:
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002935

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Virtual Folders - Strange Messages from 1899

[Bob Morris]

G'day TBUDL Members,

I have a virtual folder set up to keep track of messages that I flag
in any of my accounts.

I have noticed that sometimes when I open the virtual folder that I
have a large number of blank messages shown as both flagged and
parked.  All show their received and creation date as 30 DEC 1899 and
size as -1.  From, To and Subject are all blank and it is impossible
to open or view them.  Clicking on the messages just opens the account
inbox but there are no related messages there.

It is possible to unflag or unpark the messages and to toggle them
between Read and Unread status.  I haven't tried deleting in case they
are somehow linked to legitimate messages (or perhaps that my long
dead great grandfather is now trying to e-mail me GRIN). Normally I
have had to close the Bat! and reopen it to get rid of them but I have
just discovered that if I select the Virtual Folder properties and
toggle the use filter box on or off it will also clear them.

Has anyone else seen this? Is it a bug or just an undocumented feature
for some unknown purpose?

-- 
 Bob Mo®®is
Thursday, 29 April 2004
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Re: Wish: Virtual folders - a nice way to save, repeat and view Message Finder searches

[Greg Strong]

Hello MAU,

Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 9:52:25 AM, MAU wrote:

M So, I was going to make a feature request to be able to save Message
M Finder settings, not just the string history but the Options and
M Advanced tabs settings to be able to easily reproduce the search when
M needed.

... snip

M If you like this idea and would like to support it, please go to:

M https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002598

Bug Note:
You have my vote for saved searches, and not just history. Saved
searches is a feature that I have missed since I quit using VA about 2
years ago.

-- 
Best Regards,
Greg Strong   

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Wish: Virtual folders - a nice way to save, repeat and view Message Finder searches

[MAU]

Hello all,

I am sure we all more or less often repeat certain certain searches for
messages in several (or all) folders, like find all messages in a Colour
Group, From/To someone, with certain keywords in subject, etc., etc.

So, I was going to make a feature request to be able to save Message
Finder settings, not just the string history but the Options and
Advanced tabs settings to be able to easily reproduce the search when
needed.

What if we could define a special kind of Global Folders, let's call
them Virtual Folders, that their Properties had only the General and
Memo tabs PLUS the Options and Advances tabs of Message Finder? We could
then run a search and see the results on the main window with messages
listed on the list pane and viewed in the preview pane. Ideal for me!

A Virtual Folder defined this way does not need templates of any kind,
just like the Results tab of the Message Finder.

Ideally, all Virtual Folders would update automatically every time new
messages are received, or moved or deleted. But I understand that could
quite cumbersome and time consuming with large message bases. So, an
option to Refresh all, or just an option to refresh (from context menu)
when the folder is selected would be good enough I think.

Obviously, each virtual folder must have its corresponding folder in the
Mail path, so that pointers to the messages result of a search can be
saved and restored when TB is started.

I don't know how useful will others think this would be. I know it would
be very useful for me. And heck! It should not be so difficult to
implement, most of the needed code is already there for the Message
Finder.

If you like this idea and would like to support it, please go to:

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002598

Thanks

-- 
Best regards,

Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
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