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Hello Bill, Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 6:13:58 PM, you wrote: BBTE The same is true of things like eBay and dBASE. There is no need BBTE to follow goofy capitalization in running text. Ebay and Dbase BBTE are just fine. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Bill. This thread is moving into the Off-Topic realm. Please continue this on TBOT (this message has been CC'd to the TBOT list to maintain threading.) You can subscribe to TBOT by sending a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. /moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Urban wrote: Do you say the Eudora, the Becky, the Outlook Express? Well, I was being somewhat silly. But you need to see the context in which I was asking this question: ken green wrote: I noticed that the TB* archives use newest thread at top, And in that case, YES, I would say I noticed the Eudora archives ... ;) -- Ken Green TheBat! v1.62r, Win2000 SP4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Elaine, Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 3:51:44 AM, you wrote: Indeed. Returning to the last message viewed allows me to leave a folder to look at something else, then return and pick up where I left off. I like the option as well, but I compact every night before signing off. Alas, my place is lost when I open up the next day. I compress the folders but it does not lose his focus. BTW your -- is missing. -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.00.6, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Dilbert's Words of Wisdom: Accept that some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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rich gregory wrote: I finally decided that TB likes OLDEST mssgs at the top! I noticed that the TB* archives use newest thread at top, with the messages themselves sorted date ascending - using the oldest message of that thread at the top-level. For those using newest at top, this is a really great set up for reading threaded mailing lists. Maybe everyone knows this already (it took me awhile to find this setting when I was using newest top): Preferences Message List The oldest message begins a thread by Subject/From/To *off-topic Is is redundant to say the TheBat! ? And how do you punctuate that last sentence? Even with quotes, it still looks weird: Is is redundant to say the TheBat!? /off-topic -- Ken Green TheBat! v1.62r, Win2000 SP4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Wednesday, September 24, 2003, ken green wrote: Is is redundant to say the TheBat! ? Do you say the Eudora, the Becky, the Outlook Express? -- Urban The sun never set on the British Empire because the British Empire is in the East and the sun sets in the West. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 5:14:40 PM, Urban wrote: U Do you say the Eudora, the Becky, the Outlook Express? No, because the names of those programs are Eudora, Becky Outlook Express spit G But the name of this one is The Bat. The The is part of its name. Confused yet? -- Deborah Canis meus id comedit. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 2:31:28 PM, ken green wrote in the message new mail at top/bottom mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: *off-topic Is is redundant to say the TheBat! ? And how do you punctuate that last sentence? Even with quotes, it still looks weird: Is is redundant to say the TheBat!? /off-topic From looking at the Ritlabs web site, I have determined the following: 1) The Bat! should be written as such. It is not the Bat, TheBat, theBat!, TheBat!, or variation thereof. 2) When The Bat! ends a sentence, no period is needed. For example: I am checking my e-mail with The Bat! 3) When you end a question with The Bat!, a question mark is needed (Just like when your question ends with a quotation.). For example: Will you help me with templates for The Bat!? 4) If an exclamation ends with The Bat!, I would have three exclamation points at the end. For example: I LOVE The Bat!!! NB: Number four is more so a matter of style than the others. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. When it rains, why don't sheep shrink? Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Thursday, September 25, 2003, Deborah W wrote: No, because the names of those programs are Eudora, Becky Outlook Express spit G But the name of this one is The Bat. The The is part of its name. Confused yet? Not really... The The Bat e-mail client... could be a bit mind-boggling, but it seems correct. (Nope, I'm not a linguist so I have to go on gut feeling on this one) The Bat e-mail client... is plainly wrong, because Bat! (if there exists one of those) is another piece of software. A much better approach altogether would be The e-mail client The Bat... Canis meus id comedit. That looks like latin. I don't know latin. Translation pleease. -- Urban A scout obeys all to whom obedience is due and respects all duly constipated authorities. Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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At 7:13 PM on 9/24/2003, Chris typed ... From looking at the Ritlabs web site, I have determined the following: C 1) The Bat! should be written as such. It is not the Bat, TheBat, CtheBat!, TheBat!, or variation thereof. As much as I like The Bat, as an editor I abhor this advice from the website and do not follow it. Ritlabs must present its trademark with the exclamation point, but others need not do this. It is sufficient in general use, and particularly in running text, to simply capitalize the name. The same is true of things like eBay and dBASE. There is no need to follow goofy capitalization in running text. Ebay and Dbase are just fine. -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 9/24/2003 at 8:09 PM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: An attacker must vanquish, a defender need only survive. Featured speaker at PowerPoint Live - Tucson, Arizona October 12-15, 2003 - http://www.pptlive.com/ Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Deborah! On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 5:26 PM, you wrote: U Do you say the Eudora, the Becky, the Outlook Express? D No, because the names of those programs are Eudora, Becky Outlook D Express spit G D But the name of this one is The Bat. The The is part of its name. Very clearly put, Deborah. Want lessons from my little cats on spitting? They sometimes throw in a hiss and a growl when OE gets mentioned. For The Bat!, they purr and purr! D Confused yet? I hope he is not. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Chris! On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 6:13 PM, you wrote, in part: C I LOVE The Bat!!! C NB: Number four is more so a matter of style than the others. And opinion, as, I *Love* The Bat! g SCNR! :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 7:08:32 PM, Urban wrote in the message new mail at top/bottom mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Canis meus id comedit. That looks like latin. I don't know latin. Translation pleease. My dog chewed it up. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Would a fly without wings be called a walk? Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 7:08:32 PM, Urban wrote: Canis meus id comedit. U That looks like latin. I don't know latin. Translation pleease. My dog ate it :-) -- Deborah Invest in the human soul. Who knows, it might be a diamond in the rough. - Mary McLeod Bethune Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
new mail at top/bottom
I'm curious how other TB users approach this. I currently have all my folders that receive mail sorted by date ascending (that is, newest message at the bottom). I have gone back and forth over the years, and sometimes used ascending just for mailing lists and such and descending for regular Inboxes. The reason I'm bringing this up is that TheBat! (v1.62r) seems to prefer new messages at the top. I know one or the other probably had to be decided on - I'm just curious what other TB users are doing. I claim TB prefers descending (new mail at the top), because after clearing a Quick Filter (Alt + select: name, subject, etc.) by pressing Ctrl+=, the focus returns to the top of the list. Not a huge deal, but if that's your oldest message, there is an extra step to scroll down to the bottom. This is pretty minor - I can press the End key and quickly move to the bottom of the list. But I was wondering if this behavior bothered anyone else, or caused someone switch their sorting method. Heck, maybe I'm the only one who sorts with newest at the bottom! -- Ken Green TheBat! v1.62r, Win2000 SP4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello ken, On 23 September 2003, 01:18 -0500 (07:18 local time) ken green [KG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kg The reason I'm bringing this up is that TheBat! (v1.62r) seems to kg prefer new messages at the top. I know one or the other probably had kg to be decided on - I'm just curious what other TB users are doing. Newest on top. Have it that way in Outlook (at work) and think it's the norm. I'm sure KMail does it this way too. - -- Best regards, Martin Webster The Bat! 2.00.6 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP2/6fFv+PP8p0/caEQJ06gCg+OCTYXMXS7nOkmrSZEnQSxj05cgAoPgA FguU///GbdN/IgrdCIpOBT3/ =8AdJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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kg I have gone back and forth over the years, and sometimes used ascending kg just for mailing lists and such and descending for regular Inboxes. kg The reason I'm bringing this up is that TheBat! (v1.62r) seems to kg prefer new messages at the top. That's funny... I finally decided that TB likes OLDEST mssgs at the top! When in preview mode with focus in the message list hit delete. Focus moves DOWN (to the next newsest message). Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello ken, Heck, maybe I'm the only one who sorts with newest at the bottom! No, you are not :-) I have most of my folders set to view Threads by Reference and then sorted by Created date with newest at bottom. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.00.6 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello ken, Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 8:18:58 AM, you wrote: I'm curious how other TB users approach this. I currently have all my folders that receive mail sorted by date ascending (that is, newest message at the bottom). snip This is pretty minor - I can press the End key and quickly move to the bottom of the list. But I was wondering if this behavior bothered anyone else, or caused someone switch their sorting method. Heck, maybe I'm the only one who sorts with newest at the bottom! I also have the messages sorted ascending and the only thing that I noticed was that if you read a mail, close the folder and open the folder later (and in the meantime messages were placed into the folder), the mail highlighted is not the bottom one (newest) but the one you read last. I would like that to be the last mail (newest). Any one know how to do that? -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.00.6, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising every time we fail. - Confucius Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hallo ken, On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:18:58 -0500GMT (23-9-03, 8:18 +0200, where I live), you wrote: kg I'm curious how other TB users approach this. I currently have all my kg folders that receive mail sorted by date ascending (that is, newest kg message at the bottom). I've been always most comfortable with newest message on top and I prefer to sort on the creation date. Not on the time TB received the message. But then I also prefer to keep messages threaded (if possible by references) in all folders and that means that new answers to old threads don't look like they're very sorted. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Ken! On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 1:18 AM, you wrote, in part: k Heck, maybe I'm the only one who sorts with newest at the bottom! You're not alone--I do that, too. And, even more eccentric, I often have View set at None, so that I'm reading the messages chronologically, rather than by thread. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 The Bat! Email - Unofficial Support Board http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 2:18:58 AM, ken green wrote: kg I claim TB prefers descending (new mail at the top), because after kg clearing a Quick Filter (Alt + select: name, subject, etc.) by kg pressing Ctrl+=, the focus returns to the top of the list. Not a kg huge deal, but if that's your oldest message, there is an extra step kg to scroll down to the bottom. kg This is pretty minor - I can press the End key and quickly move to kg the bottom of the list. But I was wondering if this behavior kg bothered anyone else, or caused someone switch their sorting method. kg Heck, maybe I'm the only one who sorts with newest at the bottom! No, you're not. I also sort by date/time of creation, have the newest emails at the bottom. After purging folders, the focus is placed on the topmost email too. As you say, it's not a big deal to press End, though it's more of a big deal if you have 40 new messages in the folder and have to press End then page-up to get to the earliest new message, iyswim. Though in putting this into words, it has (finally) occurred to me that I could use Ctrl-Alt-Right G -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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rich gregory wrote: That's funny... I finally decided that TB likes OLDEST mssgs at the top! When in preview mode with focus in the message list hit delete. Focus moves DOWN (to the next newsest message). Right. That's one of the reasons I like date asc order (new at bottom) - especially with mailing lists. -- Ken Green TheBat! v1.62r, Win2000 SP4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Edgar wrote: I also have the messages sorted ascending and the only thing that I noticed was that if you read a mail, close the folder and open the folder later (and in the meantime messages were placed into the folder), the mail highlighted is not the bottom one (newest) but the one you read last. I would like that to be the last mail (newest). That's funny. I *LIKE* returning to the last message viewed. I think we have uncovered (yet another) one of those issues that developers must cringe upon reading... ;) This seems like one of those issues that development either decides one way or another arbitrarily, or provides the functionality for the user to choose in Preferences. Unfortunately, the latter very often requires a lot more time and effort than end users can imagine -- Ken Green TheBat! v1.62r, Win2000 SP4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, ken green wrote: ... if you read a mail, close the folder and open the folder later (and in the meantime messages were placed into the folder), the mail highlighted is not the bottom one (newest) but the one you read last. I would like that to be the last mail (newest). That's funny. I *LIKE* returning to the last message viewed. Indeed. Returning to the last message viewed allows me to leave a folder to look at something else, then return and pick up where I left off. I would be *very* sorry to see that changed. -- Dave Goodman The Bat! v1.62r Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 5:42:05 PM, ken green wrote: kg That's funny. I *LIKE* returning to the last message viewed. So do I, but that's not what happens in the circumstances we've been discussing, I think that's the issue for Ken too. Usually, when you exit a folder then go back into it, the focus remains on the last message viewed. But if you change the view (ie go to view unread only) then return, the focus goes to the top message in the message-list. The same happens when you purge all folders - the focus is re-set, for every folder, to the top message in the list. -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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That's funny. I *LIKE* returning to the last message viewed. Indeed. Returning to the last message viewed allows me to leave a folder to look at something else, then return and pick up where I left off. I like the option as well, but I compact every night before signing off. Alas, my place is lost when I open up the next day. Elaine Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
