PGP question regarding encrypting messages

2001-05-12 Thread Silviu Cojocaru


  It seems that in order for me to encrypt the messages I send
to someone, with PGP, I need his/her public key, is this true ?

 And in order for that someone to read the encrypted message I
sent to him/her, that user must have *my* public key right ?

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Re: PGP question regarding encrypting messages

2001-05-12 Thread David Elliott

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Hello Silviu

On 12 May 2001 at 09:56:22 +0300 (which was 07:56 where I live) Silviu
Cojocaru rearranged electrons to get

 It seems that in order for me to encrypt the messages I send to someone,
 with PGP, I need his/her public key, is this true ?

Yes.

 And in order for that someone to read the encrypted message I sent to
 him/her, that user must have *my* public key right ?

No. You can encrypt the message to as many keys as you like the minimum is
one i.e. the recipient. However this is a bit silly as once encrypted you
will not be able to de-crypt them yourself.

You can place your public key on a Keyserver in place of giving it to every
one.

There is a good list on  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PGP-Basics where you
will find a few bat users (Including me) if you need more help.

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Re: PGP question regarding encrypting messages

2001-05-12 Thread Gerd Ewald

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Hello Silviu Cojocaru !

 
On Sat, 12 May 2001 09:56:22 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was 12.05.2001, 08:56 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:

   It seems that in order for me to encrypt the messages I send
 to someone, with PGP, I need his/her public key, is this true ?

Yes, you encrypt the message to someones public key and sign it with
your secret key.

  And in order for that someone to read the encrypted message I
 sent to him/her, that user must have *my* public key right ?

No, the recipients needs his/her secret key to decrypt the message and
your public key to verify the signature.


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TB! and addressing.

2001-05-12 Thread daveiw

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Hi all,

Please  help,  I  receive  messages  from  work  under  the  address
dave.wilson (dept)@acompany.com ( note the space between the *n* and the
*(* ). If I 'reply'to this message it of course goes back to the sender,
however  if  I  were  to create a new message typing the senders address
exactly  as displayed above the message is sent to another Dave Wilson (
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ). How can I change this?



Best regards,

Dave Wilson.
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(E-mail me subject: 'public key' and I will send it to you)

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Re: TB! and addressing.

2001-05-12 Thread David Elliott

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Dear daveiw

On 12 May 2001 at 08:59:30 +0100 (which was 08:59 where I live)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] thoughtfully wrote the following

 Please help, I receive messages from work under the address dave.wilson
 (dept)@acompany.com ( note the space between the *n* and the *(* ). If I
 'reply'to this message it of course goes back to the sender, however if I
 were to create a new message typing the senders address exactly as
 displayed above the message is sent to another Dave Wilson (
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ). How can I change this?

What is the [Reply To:] from the original email ?

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Re: PGP question regarding encrypting messages

2001-05-12 Thread Thomas

Hello Gerd,

On Sat, 12 May 2001 09:50:25 +0200 GMT (12/05/2001, 15:50 +0800 GMT),
Gerd Ewald wrote:

  And in order for that someone to read the encrypted message I
 sent to him/her, that user must have *my* public key right ?

GE No, the recipients needs his/her secret key to decrypt the message and
GE your public key to verify the signature.

You mean: _Yes_, the recipient needs the sender's public key to
decrypt the message, right? ;-)

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Re: TB! and addressing.

2001-05-12 Thread Thomas

Hello Dave,

On Sat, 12 May 2001 08:59:30 +0100 GMT (12/05/2001, 15:59 +0800 GMT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

dcn Please  help,  I  receive  messages  from  work  under  the  address
dcn dave.wilson (dept)@acompany.com ( note the space between the *n* and the
dcn *(* ). If I 'reply'to this message it of course goes back to the sender,
dcn however  if  I  were  to create a new message typing the senders address
dcn exactly  as displayed above the message is sent to another Dave Wilson (
dcn [EMAIL PROTECTED] ). How can I change this?

By making your company's email system RFC compliant (spaces are not
allowed in Email addresses). Use underscore, hyphen, or dot.

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Re: ! and GnuPg ?

2001-05-12 Thread Silviu Cojocaru


Thursday, May 10, 2001, 4:26:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Its my opinion that GPG is not ready for windows yet,

 GPG is not even available for Windows ... it's for DOS  ;-)

 but have fun.

 oh, but i have !
 seriously, it works just fine ... only TheBat! has a problem calling it for
 signing stuff (mentioned that to get on-topic again ...)


Why does TB have problems when trying to import GnuPG public
keys ?

This occurs for messages and even if I copy that key block to a
file then try to import it, the same thing occurs. I use OpenPGP
that's supplied with TB.

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Re: TB! and addressing.

2001-05-12 Thread Ottar Grimstad

Hello daveiw,

Saturday, May 12, 2001, 9:59:30 AM, you wrote:

dcn  Please  help,  I  receive  messages  from  work  under  the
dcn address dave.wilson (dept)@acompany.com ( note the space between
dcn the *n* and the *(* ). If I 'reply'to this message it of course
dcn goes back to the sender, however  if  I  were  to create a new
dcn message typing the senders address exactly  as displayed above
dcn the message is sent to another Dave Wilson (
dcn [EMAIL PROTECTED] ). How can I change this?

  When you Reply to the original message, what does the To: line read?

  Have you checked the Reply to: header in the original message? (use
  Ctr-Shift-K to see all headers)

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Re: PGP question regarding encrypting messages

2001-05-12 Thread Gerd Ewald

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Hello Thomas !

 
On Sat, 12 May 2001 16:38:41 +0800 GMT your local time,
which was 12.05.2001, 10:38 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:

  And in order for that someone to read the encrypted message I
 sent to him/her, that user must have *my* public key right ?

GE No, the recipients needs his/her secret key to decrypt the message and
GE your public key to verify the signature.

 You mean: _Yes_, the recipient needs the sender's public key to
 decrypt the message, right? ;-)

Maybe I misunderstood the question at all. I try to begin from the
very start:

A sends a message to B. A uses the public key of B (pKb) to encrypt
the message and his secret key to sign it (sKa).

Now B has to use her secret key (sKb) to decrypt the message and the
public key of A to verify the signature (pKa).

Even if B doews not have the senders public key, in our example pKa,
she would be able to decrypt the message. She wouldn't be able to
verify the signature but she could reveal the plaintext message from
the ciphertext.

I assume you are Thomas, who speaks German?? If so, go to
www.pro-privacy.de, Inhaltsverzeichnis, Schlüsselerzeugung and click
on the first RSA. We tried to give a practical examole of the
algorithms RSA, Diffie-Hellmann and ElGamal.

Did I get your question right??

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Re: PGP question regarding encrypting messages

2001-05-12 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello David!

On Saturday, May 12, 2001 at 9:18:02 AM you wrote:

 No. You can encrypt the message to as many keys as you like the minimum is
 one i.e. the recipient. However this is a bit silly as once encrypted you
  ^^^
 will not be able to de-crypt them yourself.

I hope you mean, it is silly *not* to use the encryption to a second
key, which has to be your default. That is, check Automatically
encrypt to default key in the preferences.


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Re: deleting threads behaivor

2001-05-12 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Brandt!

On Saturday, May 12, 2001 at 2:54:23 AM you wrote:

   When I use shift-crtl-del to kill threads, I always get booted back
 to the top of my list. Is this a behavior I can get around, or a bug?
   It doesn't happen when I delete regular messages.

I find it quite handy, especially with many messages. But that may
depend on how one reads his mail.



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Re[2]: PGP question regarding encrypting messages

2001-05-12 Thread David Elliott

Yes

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Re[2]: TB! and addressing.

2001-05-12 Thread daveiw

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Hi David,

Saturday, May 12, 2001, 9:38:30 AM, you wrote:

DE What is the [Reply To:] from the original email ?

The  'Reply  To'  is  Wilson, Dave I (Dept) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Dept)

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Re[3]: TB! and addressing.

2001-05-12 Thread David Elliott

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Hello daveiw

On 12 May 2001 at 11:07:44 +0100 (which was 11:07 where I live)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points

DE What is the [Reply To:] from the original email ?

 The  'Reply  To'  is  Wilson, Dave I (Dept) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Dept)

So if you send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it is wrong.

What happens if you type [EMAIL PROTECTED] is that wrong ?


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Re: ! and GnuPg ?

2001-05-12 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi Silviu,

On 12 May 2001 at  11:48:37 +0300 (which was 09:48 where I  live)
Silviu Cojocaru wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these
points:

SC Why does TB have problems when trying to import GnuPG public
SC keys ?

This might be the moment to mention PGP-Basics, a very good and
friendly PGP learners list. You'll find many TBUDL members there. You
can sign up at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: PGP question regarding encrypting messages

2001-05-12 Thread Thomas

Hello Gerd,

On Sat, 12 May 2001 11:03:49 +0200 GMT (12/05/2001, 17:03 +0800 GMT),
Gerd Ewald wrote:

GE Even if B doews not have the senders public key, in our example pKa,
GE she would be able to decrypt the message. She wouldn't be able to
GE verify the signature but she could reveal the plaintext message from
GE the ciphertext.

Would she? I think you do need the sender's public key to drecypt a
message. Maybe I'm wrong about this?

GE I assume you are Thomas, who speaks German?? If so, go to
GE www.pro-privacy.de

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Outbox pointing on the Wrong folder

2001-05-12 Thread Maxime.Moulin

Hello,

In a multiple account use, one of my outbox links on another account outbox. For 
example : smtih's outbox link on the
john's outbox folder.

How can i change that as the smith outbox folder option are inn gray. I can't change 
The directory or anything.

Thanx for your help



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Re: basic template question

2001-05-12 Thread A Curtis Martin

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On Sat, 12 May 2001 07:52:34 +0300, Silviu wrote these words of wisdom:

   Would someone give me an example of how I would set up a NEW template
   for my TBUDL folder to set the TO: field to the list address.

SC Are you sure you want to do this ? The list posts have reply-to
SC address so you don't really need use a macro to get the lists
SC address into the To: field.

He actually means New Message template. I personally prefer an address
book entry, with specific templates designed for the list. Adding the
address to the favourites list will make it easy to create a new message
by selecting the address from the favourites menu (just to the right of
the create new message button on the toolbar).

For the folder template, at the end of the template, one can place

%To=TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]

That will automatically fill in the address for a new message.

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Re: PGP question regarding encrypting messages

2001-05-12 Thread A Curtis Martin

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On Sat, 12 May 2001 18:42:34 +0800, Thomas contributed this to our
collective wisdom:

GE Even if B doews not have the senders public key, in our example pKa,
GE she would be able to decrypt the message. She wouldn't be able to
GE verify the signature but she could reveal the plaintext message from
GE the ciphertext.

T Would she? I think you do need the sender's public key to drecypt a
T message. Maybe I'm wrong about this?

AFAIK, you only need the senders public key to verify their signatures.
However, to decrypt an encrypted message to you, you only need your
private key to decrypt it. The messages encryption has nothing to do with
the senders public key.

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Re[4]: TB! and addressing.

2001-05-12 Thread daveiw

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Hi David,

Saturday, May 12, 2001, 11:23:44 AM, you wrote:


DE So if you send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it is wrong.

DE What happens if you type [EMAIL PROTECTED] is that wrong ?

Unfortunately neither go to my work address, but the other Dave.

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Re: TB! and addressing.

2001-05-12 Thread Ottar Grimstad

Hello daveiw,

Saturday, May 12, 2001, 12:07:44 PM, you wrote:

dcn The  'Reply  To'  is  Wilson, Dave I (Dept) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dept)

What happens if you use exactly this address in the To: field of a new
message?

My guess is that you companys mail system uses the Wilson, Dave I
(Dept) part of the massage to direct it to the correct mailbox, and
that the quotes are important to get this header information unharmed
through the mail system.

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TB and OpenPGP

2001-05-12 Thread Silviu Cojocaru


  Hopefully this will be the last message about this stuff that
comes from me.

I imported the public key of a friend of mine into the
key manager but I cant set the validity level... Whenever I try
to check the signature of his mail it turns out invalid and
there's a grey dot in the Validity column. What is going on ?

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Re: PGP question regarding encrypting messages

2001-05-12 Thread Thomas

Hello Allie,

On Sat, 12 May 2001 06:25:31 -0500 GMT (12/05/2001, 19:25 +0800 GMT),
A Curtis Martin wrote:

T Would she? I think you do need the sender's public key to drecypt a
T message. Maybe I'm wrong about this?

ACM AFAIK, you only need the senders public key to verify their signatures.
ACM However, to decrypt an encrypted message to you, you only need your
ACM private key to decrypt it.

I stand corrected.

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Re: TB and OpenPGP

2001-05-12 Thread Gerd Ewald

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Hello Silviu Cojocaru !

 
On Sat, 12 May 2001 15:55:51 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was 12.05.2001, 14:55 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:

 I imported the public key of a friend of mine into the
 key manager but I cant set the validity level... Whenever I try
 to check the signature of his mail it turns out invalid and
 there's a grey dot in the Validity column. What is going on ?

The validity is set by signing the key with your secret key. But this
means you have verified the authenticity of the public key by comparing
the fingerprint with your friend.

Once you are sure that the received key belongs to the person who
pretends to be the key owner and you have verified that the key wasn't
changed on its way through the web you may sign it. But please, don't
do this without your friends permission and do not upload the key to
the server: instead send it back to your friend, signed exportable.

And remember: others might rely on your signature.
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Re: TB and OpenPGP

2001-05-12 Thread Silviu Cojocaru


Saturday, May 12, 2001, 3:55:51 PM, Silviu Cojocaru wrote:


   Hopefully this will be the last message about this stuff that
 comes from me.

 I imported the public key of a friend of mine into the
 key manager but I cant set the validity level... Whenever I try
 to check the signature of his mail it turns out invalid and
 there's a grey dot in the Validity column. What is going on ?


Also, I requested and got the PGP keys of two people on this
list, and imported them.

I found out how to make those keys valid, I had to sight those
keys with my key (aparently). Then I tried to check their PGP
signatures in the messages they sent to the list. They returned
invalid.

I have an idea why this happens but I am not sure, could it be
the fact that all e-mail sent to the list gets has this:

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that invalids them ? I remember that someone on the list said
that PGP signatures have something to do with the text of the
actual e-mail. So I figure that if the e-mail message has been
tampered with the signature becomes invalid.


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Re: TB and OpenPGP

2001-05-12 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Silviu,
On Sat, 12 May 2001, at 15:55:51 +0300 you wrote:

SC I imported the public key of a friend of mine into the key
SC manager but I cant set the validity level... Whenever I try
SC to check the signature of his mail it turns out invalid and
SC there's a grey dot in the Validity column. What is going on ?

You have to sign a public key to express that this key is from
the person it pretends to be. After that the key will be valid
and you can change the level of trust you put in that person (and
therefore in the keys this person signs).

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Re: TB and OpenPGP

2001-05-12 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi Silviu,

On 12 May 2001 at  15:55:51 +0300 (which was 13:55 where I  live)
Silviu Cojocaru wrote to TBUDL and made these points:

SC I imported the public key of a friend of mine into the
SC key manager but I cant set the validity level... Whenever I try
SC to check the signature of his mail it turns out invalid and
SC there's a grey dot in the Validity column. What is going on ?

You haven't signed his key on your keyring. Until you do that, you
haven't validated it. PGP believes that you don't trust the key
until you sign it with your key to say that you do.

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Re: folder popup delay time

2001-05-12 Thread CaLViN

Hello Batters,

 So when I drag an email onto the top Personal Mails folder it takes
 about 4 seconds until the folder opens up and displays the
 sub-folders. How can I reduce this delay?

One option would be to use the keyboard. Hit CTRL-V and you can
navigate through the folder structure easily using the arrow-keys.

But I agree with you that the delay should be customizable (it is not
at the moment AFAIK).

Another idea would be to open the folder immediately when clicking
with the right mouse-button (or beeing able to use the normal +/-
with the right button).


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Re[2]: Edit Message Window

2001-05-12 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Friday, May 11, 2001, 10:52:32 AM, David Elliott wrote:

 Whilst replying to the email from the edit window choose [View] then
 un-tick [Original text]


Excellent.

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Re[5]: TB! and addressing.

2001-05-12 Thread David Elliott

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Hail Dave,

On 12 May 2001 at 13:17:26 +0100 (which was 13:17 where I live) Dave Wilson wrote and
made these points

DE So if you send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it is wrong.

DE What happens if you type [EMAIL PROTECTED] is that wrong ?

 Unfortunately neither go to my work address, but the other Dave.

This that there are a number of thing and all that it is out of your
control.

(1) The work SMTP server is not case sensitive (as it should be)

(2) The [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not your email address, as this is the
bit that the SMTP server should be looking at to route the email.

(3) I can not understand how any mail routed to you at work can get to you
if it had been routed to Wilson, Dave I (Dept) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
it must be looking at the info from Wilson, Dave I (Dept) and not
[EMAIL PROTECTED] , which is where it should be looking.

I (personally) don't know of an SMTP server that does that(, and I have use
a few).

Has any one got any other ideas.

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Re: Edit Message Window

2001-05-12 Thread Silviu Cojocaru


Friday, May 11, 2001, 6:52:32 PM, David Elliott wrote:

 If I reply a message, at 'edit mail message' window, there is
 two window. One for write message and one for read original
 message. I want to elimininate the window for reading
 original message. How to do it?

 Whilst replying to the email from the edit window choose
 [View] then un-tick [Original text]

I've always wondered since I started using TB what good does
that Original text window do...

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Re[2]: Edit Message Window

2001-05-12 Thread j. allen r. day

SC I've always wondered since I started using TB what good does
SC that Original text window do...

I  used to use it all of the time, until I switched over
to  a  laptop  with  a low 800 x 600 resolution  had to
conserve  screen  space where I could.  When handling my
personal  mail,  I  don't  always want to include quoted
text  in my reply- so I can scroll through the message I
am  responding  to in the window above without having to
delete  quoted  text  as  I go . . . in that respect, it
really  is  quite  handy . . . -- unless, of course, the
person  to  whom  you are replying doesn't have an email
editor  that hard wraps. Then you get long lines of text
that  are just annoying ~ and as near as I can tell, TB!
won't  automatically  wrap  long  lines in that little
window.

j.



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Re: TB and OpenPGP

2001-05-12 Thread Nick Andriash

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On May 12, 2001, at 6:19:48 AM, Gerd Ewald wrote:

 The validity is set by signing the key with your secret key. But this
 means you have verified the authenticity of the public key by comparing
 the fingerprint with your friend.

Correct, but also realize there are two types of signatures... exportable
and non-exportable, with the difference being exportable signatures will
permanently remain with that Public Key if you ever upload that Public Key
to any of the KeyServes. Non-exportable means the signature shows only on
the Public Key on *your* Public Key Ring.

 Once you are sure that the received key belongs to the person who
 pretends to be the key owner and you have verified that the key wasn't
 changed on its way through the web you may sign it. But please, don't
 do this without your friends permission and do not upload the key to
 the server: instead send it back to your friend, signed exportable.

Correct again, but if Silviu only wants to rid the verification info of
the Invalid designation, this can be done by signing with a
non-exportable signature once the Key Fingerprints have been compared.


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Re: Outbox pointing on the Wrong folder

2001-05-12 Thread Nick Andriash

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On May 12, 2001, at 3:50:13 AM, Maxime.Moulin wrote:

 In a multiple account use, one of my outbox links on another account
 outbox. For example : smtih's outbox link on the john's outbox folder.

Do you mean that messages in the Outbox for Account A are somehow linked
to messages in the Outbox of Account B? I've never heard of that
happening before... and if that's the case, perhaps the answer lies in
some kind of Account sharing setup in Network  Administration?


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Re: PGP question regarding encrypting messages

2001-05-12 Thread Nick Andriash

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On May 11, 2001, at 11:56:22 PM, Silviu Cojocaru wrote:

   It seems that in order for me to encrypt the messages I send to
 someone, with PGP, I need his/her public key, is this true ?

Correct. Contained within that Public Key are all the User Preferences for
such things as the encryption algorithm to use.

  And in order for that someone to read the encrypted message I
 sent to him/her, that user must have *my* public key right ?

That is correct. Again, there is information contained in your Public Key
that tells the Sender which encryption algorithm you prefer them to use.

Basically, we use Public Keys to encrypt to/with, as well as verify
signatures, and we use our Private Key(s) to actually create signatures,
and to decrypt messages. Our Private Key(s) are stored in an encrypted
state on our Computers, which is why we need to supply our passphrase to
decrypt them so they can be used to decrypt or sign a message.


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Re: PGP question regarding encrypting messages

2001-05-12 Thread Nick Andriash

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On May 12, 2001, at 4:25:31 AM, A Curtis Martin wrote:

 AFAIK, you only need the senders public key to verify their signatures.
 However, to decrypt an encrypted message to you, you only need your
 private key to decrypt it. The messages encryption has nothing to do
 with the senders public key.

Correct. If someone encrypts to our Public Key, then we need our Private
Key to decrypt. If someone signs their message with their Private Key,
then we will use their Public Key to verify that signature.


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Re: Changing Dictionaries

2001-05-12 Thread Nick Andriash

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On May 11, 2001, at 10:52:24 PM, John Phillips wrote:

 OK.  I downloaded the International Pack, selected British English for
 the spell checker.

 Still uses the American English dictionary.

In what respect? Do you mean that as you type the message, TB! isn't
correcting words like favorite and suggesting you change it to
favourite? That would be a function of SpellChecker/Automatic checking.
What happens if you finish your message and choose SpellChecker/Check
Entire Text?

Look in the Speller Folder on your Hard Drive and make sure you have both
the sscebr.tlx and sscebr12.clx files.


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Re: Filtering on 'reply-to'

2001-05-12 Thread Nick Andriash

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On May 10, 2001, at 11:43:00 PM, Maurice Snellen wrote:

 I subscribe to a number of mailinglists where people will often send
 announcements to more than one list. My current filtering setup causes
 all these crossposts to end up in the folder of one list, instead of
 getting spread between the respective folders.

I run into the same problems, and what I did was right click a message
from each List and looked at the RFC-822 headers... picking an
identifiable one from each List and using that as my Filter criteria.

 For some of them, I may be able to work around that by using the
 address in the 'Sender:' header as matching string, but not all lists
 set this header.

No, but most ML's that do not supply Reply-To: headers will have the
Sender: header. If not, then you just have to look through the headers and
find that one distinguishable header that will consistently identify that
Mailing List. All the TB! related Lists have the following:

X-MDMailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Most of the others will have either the Reply-To: or Sender: headers you
can use, but TB! will accept any header you find in the Header List, but
just make sure you set the Filter up as Thomas has suggested:

String: X-MDMailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Presence: Yes
Location: Kludges


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Re: deleting threads behaivor

2001-05-12 Thread Cilfa

Hello Brandt,

Long time ago, on Saturday, May 12, 2001, 2:54:23 AM, you wrote:

 Hello TBUDL,

   When I use shift-crtl-del to kill threads, I always get booted back
 to the top of my list. Is this a behavior I can get around, or a bug?
   It doesn't happen when I delete regular messages.

This strange behavior you mention will not occur when you select the
root e-mail of the to-be-deleted thread. It looks like a bug, but
this workaround works fine with me (using TheBat! 1.51).

Cilfa

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Re[2]: deleting threads behaivor

2001-05-12 Thread Cilfa

Correction:

 This strange behavior you mention will not occur when you select the
 root e-mail of the to-be-deleted thread.

You have to close the thread first before you hit CTRL+SHIFT+DEL :)

Cilfa

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Re[2]: Changing Dictionaries

2001-05-12 Thread John Phillips


Hello Nick
You wrote  On Sat, 12 May 2001, at 09:55:34 [GMT -0700] (02:55 Australian Eastern 
Time,Sunday):

 In what respect? Do you mean that as you type the message, TB! isn't
 correcting words like favorite and suggesting you change it to
 favourite? That would be a function of SpellChecker/Automatic checking.
 What happens if you finish your message and choose SpellChecker/Check
 Entire Text?

 Look in the Speller Folder on your Hard Drive and make sure you have both
 the sscebr.tlx and sscebr12.clx files.


favourite - corrected.  But if I click on Dictionaries when the
spell checker pops up, the next pop up window (Edit Dictionaries)
says that American English (oxymoron?) is being used.  I did not check
the word that you suggested previously, but looks like a small
feature that needs correcting?

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Re: Changing Dictionaries

2001-05-12 Thread Nick Andriash

On May 12, 2001, at 12:24:53 PM, John Phillips wrote:

  But if I click on Dictionaries when the spell checker pops up, the
 next pop up window (Edit Dictionaries) says that American English
 (oxymoron?) is being used.

Confirmed.


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Re: TB! and addressing.

2001-05-12 Thread Ottar Grimstad

Hello David,

Saturday, May 12, 2001, 5:24:54 PM, you wrote:

DE (3) I can not understand how any mail routed to you at work can
DE get to you if it had been routed to Wilson, Dave I (Dept)
DE [EMAIL PROTECTED] it must be looking at the info from
DE Wilson, Dave I (Dept) and not [EMAIL PROTECTED] , which
DE is where it should be looking.

DE I (personally) don't know of an SMTP server that does that(, and I have use
DE a few).

  But could not this be the behavior of a priopritary inhouse
  mailserver?
  

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Re: Changing Dictionaries

2001-05-12 Thread Nick Andriash

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On May 12, 2001, at 12:48:56 PM, Nick Andriash wrote:

 Confirmed.

Sorry, forgot to add that although I confirm the behaviour, nevertheless
it's the British Dictionary that is actually used. :o)


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Re[2]: deleting threads behaivor

2001-05-12 Thread Brandt

Hello Cilfa,

You're correct as far as my TBUDL folder is concerned. However another
mailing list I am on that does not use refernce numbers, this does not
hold true for. On it I am booted back to the top regardless of where
in the thread I am, or if it is expanded or not. I'm guessing that
after a big delete operation, TB resorts/rethreads. And does not hold
your place.
Still annoying.



Saturday, May 12, 2001, 11:27:06 AM, you wrote:

C This strange behavior you mention will not occur when you select the
C root e-mail of the to-be-deleted thread. It looks like a bug, but
C this workaround works fine with me (using TheBat! 1.51).

C Cilfa




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Re[2]: Outbox pointing on the Wrong folder

2001-05-12 Thread Maxime.Moulin

Bonjour Nick,

NA Do you mean that messages in the Outbox for Account A are somehow linked
NA to messages in the Outbox of Account B? I've never heard of that
NA happening before... and if that's the case, perhaps the answer lies in
NA some kind of Account sharing setup in Network  Administration?

You've got it ! Its very surprising..???
Perhaps ! i'ill search on this way

Thanx

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Re[2]: folder popup delay time

2001-05-12 Thread André Engelhardt

Hello CaLViN,

 On Saturday, May 12, 2001 at 15:52:04GMT +0200 (which was 3:52:04 PM where I live) 
you wrote:

C Hello Batters,

 So when I drag an email onto the top Personal Mails folder it takes
 about 4 seconds until the folder opens up and displays the
 sub-folders. How can I reduce this delay?

C One option would be to use the keyboard. Hit CTRL-V and you can
C navigate through the folder structure easily using the arrow-keys.

C But I agree with you that the delay should be customizable (it is not
C at the moment AFAIK).

C Another idea would be to open the folder immediately when clicking
C with the right mouse-button (or beeing able to use the normal +/-
C with the right button).

O.K.  thanks  for  the  info,  that  ctrl-v  shortcut  is  already  an
improvement. wasn't aware of this one. thanks!

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