[Texascavers] Adios TexasCavers List

2016-07-08 Thread Frank Binney via Texascavers 
I¹m unsubscribing from the Texas Cavers list and offer some parting
thoughts:

€ I¹ve really appreciated all the time, effort, and dollars‹often
unsung‹that Charles Goldsmith has put into keeping the list up and running
all these many years. It¹s a real service to the caving community and I¹m
amazed the list self-moderates as well as it does.

€ My personal challenge is that I subscribe to a number of email lists; some
work-related, others community-related or special interest-related (caving,
birding, etc.). When someone on one of the lists starts over-posting
off-topic emails, I have to weight the time cost and hassle of constantly
deleting those posts against the value of staying subscribed.

€ At one time the TexasCavers list provided the most convenient and timely
way‹if not the only way--to stay in touch with far-flung Texas caving
friends and find out about recent discoveries and upcoming events. Now
social media‹in particular Facebook‹fulfills many of these needs. So I¹ll
stay in touch with many of you via the various caving-related Facebook
pages, and for those of you not on Facebook we can hopefully catch up in
person at TCR or the NSS Convention.

€David Locklear has written some very entertaining posts over the years.
I¹ve especially enjoyed the accounts of his Quixotic attempts to reach
distant caving events or of his memories of caver encounters back in the
day. Many of his more frequent posts, however, seem better suited to a
personal Facebook feed or a non-caving listserv.

Look forward to seeing many of you later this month in Ely, or in October at
Paradise Canyon,
Frank 

Frank Binney
NSS 10816 Fellow
i...@frankbinney.com


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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

2016-07-08 Thread mark gee via Texascavers 
I think you should read what you want and delete what you don't want to read. 
Every now and then he does write about things of interest. Get along, we all 
have a great privilege to use the internet for many enjoyable things. David is 
and interesting person with many interest.Sometimes  

On Friday, July 8, 2016 1:30 PM, Frank Binney via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and 
caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately, unsubscribed 
from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from David Locklear. I’m 
about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded my inbox 
with list-inappropriate posts.Can those of you who like David please counsel 
him on list etiquette and suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic 
posts?Thanks,Frank BinneyNSS 10816 fellowi...@frankbinney.com

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Re: [Texascavers] Information

2016-07-08 Thread Caver via Texascavers 
Well..time has come and I didn't hear from a couple of you all. On my way back 
to good old Texas and the Rio Grande Valley. Back home. I enjoyed my stay in 
California. 
And I apologize if this is not cave related anymore. Sorry. 

Daniel Ramirez
dramire...@ymail.com

> On Jun 29, 2016, at 2:25 PM, via Texascavers  
> wrote:
> 
> One of the best hikes and caving experiences in CA is White Chief Meadow, 
> some five miles past Mineral King. Two marble caves to see and spectacular 
> scenery, may be bears there!
> -Ernie G
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Information
> From: Caver via Texascavers 
> Date: Wed, June 29, 2016 4:12 pm
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> 
> Sorry you all. I failed to include my email. I did find one commercial cave 
> that offers 'wild' cave tours including vertical descent/ascend. Awfully 
> expensive. Tomorrow I'll be going to Sequoia National Forest since I've never 
> been there. I always end up north of there at Kings Canyon. I'll be 
> downloading topo maps today on the area. 
> Thanks for all the replies. 
> 
> 
> Daniel Ramirez
> dramire...@ymail.com
> 956-545-1203
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Went caving near Chico with some Chico State folks. Went north of Chico to 
>> some mountains with easy caves. There are even Show Caves near Chico.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Fofo via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Hi Daniel, again.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Actually, I can't see your email address. Would you send me a message? 
>>> f...@gzluna.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Fofo
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 29/06/16 9:56, Caver via Texascavers wrote:
>>> 
 To all
 I didn't think of it before I came but I'm in California. I tried to 
 contact a person via email from a grotto in Fresno. But haven't heard 
 anything back and it's been about 4 days. I would like to do a little 
 caving while I'm here. Will be here for another week and a half. Do any of 
 you know of a contact person around the Fresno area that is a caver? 
 Preferably driving distance. Or even a list of great hiking day trips.
 Any help is appreciated.
 Thanks
 
 Daniel Ramirez
 (Formerly DFW grotto)
 
 P.S.
 I should attend one of the Bexar grotto meetings at some point since 
 that's the closest one to where I live now. 3-4 hr drive.
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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

2016-07-08 Thread Don Arburn via Texascavers 
Exactly!
--Don

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> You know it’s Friday when…
>  
> The number of posts complaining about the number of posts David makes… 
> exceeds the number of posts David makes.
>  
> Cheers,
> Stefan Creaser
> Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
> 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
> Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
> Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser
>  
> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 3:35 PM
> To: Cavetex
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!
>  
> Oh come on Bill, you know you wanna :)
>  
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Bill Bentley - ca...@caver.net via 
> Texascavers  wrote:
> Yes take it over... LOL... been there done that... Thank you but no... I just 
> delete.
> Bill Bentley
> ca...@caver.net 
>  
>  
>  
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers  
> Date: 7/8/16 3:29 PM (GMT-06:00) 
> To: Cavetex  
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!
> 
> We have 4 rules: http://texascavers.com/rules.html
>  
> David hasn't broken any rules and no, he's older than me Bob.
>  
> I maintain the rules as list owner, that's it.  I've always stated that this 
> list is self moderated.  If you don't like a post that someone has sent out, 
> send them a private message if possible. 
>  
> If you don't like the list and how it's run, anyone is free to step up and 
> take over, including hosting and paying.  Or, it's just easier to delete a 
> message and go about enjoying your day.  Personally, that's what I do.
>  
> Charles
> list owner
> wo...@justfamily.org
>  
>  
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Julia Germany via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> Hi Frank!
> 
> We don't want to lose a valuable, iconic Texas caver from this list. Or any 
> other cavers. Some folks forget these posts are read by cavers who are not  
> in/from Texas. And, who don't know David.
> 
> I have no doubt someone will point out that David's posts say "off-topic," 
> "delete now if you don't want to read it."
> 
> However, I concur that this listserv has a clear intention of being used for 
> the purpose of cave-related posts.
> 
> I know David L posts comments on the various Texas cave-related Face Book 
> pages.
> 
> Perhaps the moderator of this listserv could politely suggest that David post 
> any non-cave related information on these other sites.  And, perhaps, even 
> politely let David know that he might be unsubscribed if he continues to 
> improperly use this listserv.
> 
> julia
> 
> 
> 
> - from julia's cell
> 
> Julia G Germany
> c: 281.979.9208
> e: germa...@aol.com
> 
> > On Jul 8, 2016, at 13:30, Frank Binney via Texascavers 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and 
> > caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately, 
> > unsubscribed from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from 
> > David Locklear.
> > I’m about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded my 
> > inbox with list-inappropriate posts.
> > Can those of you who like David please counsel him on list etiquette and 
> > suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic posts?
> > Thanks,
> > Frank Binney
> > NSS 10816 Fellow
> > i...@frankbinney.com
> >
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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

2016-07-08 Thread Scott C via Texascavers 
ROFLMAO!!! Hilarious, Stefan :) 

Scott Cogburn :)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> You know it’s Friday when…
>  
> The number of posts complaining about the number of posts David makes… 
> exceeds the number of posts David makes.
>  
> Cheers,
> Stefan Creaser
> Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
> 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
> Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
> Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser
>  
> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 3:35 PM
> To: Cavetex
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!
>  
> Oh come on Bill, you know you wanna :)
>  
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Bill Bentley - ca...@caver.net via 
> Texascavers  wrote:
> Yes take it over... LOL... been there done that... Thank you but no... I just 
> delete.
> Bill Bentley
> ca...@caver.net 
>  
>  
>  
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers  
> Date: 7/8/16 3:29 PM (GMT-06:00) 
> To: Cavetex  
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!
> 
> We have 4 rules: http://texascavers.com/rules.html
>  
> David hasn't broken any rules and no, he's older than me Bob.
>  
> I maintain the rules as list owner, that's it.  I've always stated that this 
> list is self moderated.  If you don't like a post that someone has sent out, 
> send them a private message if possible. 
>  
> If you don't like the list and how it's run, anyone is free to step up and 
> take over, including hosting and paying.  Or, it's just easier to delete a 
> message and go about enjoying your day.  Personally, that's what I do.
>  
> Charles
> list owner
> wo...@justfamily.org
>  
>  
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Julia Germany via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> Hi Frank!
> 
> We don't want to lose a valuable, iconic Texas caver from this list. Or any 
> other cavers. Some folks forget these posts are read by cavers who are not  
> in/from Texas. And, who don't know David.
> 
> I have no doubt someone will point out that David's posts say "off-topic," 
> "delete now if you don't want to read it."
> 
> However, I concur that this listserv has a clear intention of being used for 
> the purpose of cave-related posts.
> 
> I know David L posts comments on the various Texas cave-related Face Book 
> pages.
> 
> Perhaps the moderator of this listserv could politely suggest that David post 
> any non-cave related information on these other sites.  And, perhaps, even 
> politely let David know that he might be unsubscribed if he continues to 
> improperly use this listserv.
> 
> julia
> 
> 
> 
> - from julia's cell
> 
> Julia G Germany
> c: 281.979.9208
> e: germa...@aol.com
> 
> > On Jul 8, 2016, at 13:30, Frank Binney via Texascavers 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and 
> > caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately, 
> > unsubscribed from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from 
> > David Locklear.
> > I’m about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded my 
> > inbox with list-inappropriate posts.
> > Can those of you who like David please counsel him on list etiquette and 
> > suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic posts?
> > Thanks,
> > Frank Binney
> > NSS 10816 Fellow
> > i...@frankbinney.com
> >
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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

2016-07-08 Thread Nancy Weaver via Texascavers 
why does this keep happening?  david posts a few messages, then the inevitable 
flood of detractors fill up MY inbox.  I so prefer Davids and when I’m not in 
the mood, surprise, I delete them.

Nancy


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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

2016-07-08 Thread Julia Germany via Texascavers 
Hi Charles!

Many thanks for posting the rules. I am sure I must have read them in the way 
back when I first joined.

Having not read these rules in many years, I made the wrong assumption that 
topics posted here must be cave(r)-related.

Like you, I take advantage of the warning David provides to "delete now" if I 
am not interested.

Again, thank you for re-posting the link to the 4 simple rules to follow while 
a member of this listserv.

And, many thanks for remaining our thoughtful moderator. I very much appreciate 
the time you put into making this listserv function. 

Happy caving!
julia 

- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
c: 281.979.9208
e: germa...@aol.com

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 15:29, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have 4 rules: http://texascavers.com/rules.html
> 
> David hasn't broken any rules and no, he's older than me Bob.
> 
> I maintain the rules as list owner, that's it.  I've always stated that this 
> list is self moderated.  If you don't like a post that someone has sent out, 
> send them a private message if possible. 
> 
> If you don't like the list and how it's run, anyone is free to step up and 
> take over, including hosting and paying.  Or, it's just easier to delete a 
> message and go about enjoying your day.  Personally, that's what I do.
> 
> Charles
> list owner
> wo...@justfamily.org
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Julia Germany via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> Hi Frank!
>> 
>> We don't want to lose a valuable, iconic Texas caver from this list. Or any 
>> other cavers. Some folks forget these posts are read by cavers who are not  
>> in/from Texas. And, who don't know David.
>> 
>> I have no doubt someone will point out that David's posts say "off-topic," 
>> "delete now if you don't want to read it."
>> 
>> However, I concur that this listserv has a clear intention of being used for 
>> the purpose of cave-related posts.
>> 
>> I know David L posts comments on the various Texas cave-related Face Book 
>> pages.
>> 
>> Perhaps the moderator of this listserv could politely suggest that David 
>> post any non-cave related information on these other sites.  And, perhaps, 
>> even politely let David know that he might be unsubscribed if he continues 
>> to improperly use this listserv.
>> 
>> julia
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - from julia's cell
>> 
>> Julia G Germany
>> c: 281.979.9208
>> e: germa...@aol.com
>> 
>> > On Jul 8, 2016, at 13:30, Frank Binney via Texascavers 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and 
>> > caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately, 
>> > unsubscribed from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from 
>> > David Locklear.
>> > I’m about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded 
>> > my inbox with list-inappropriate posts.
>> > Can those of you who like David please counsel him on list etiquette and 
>> > suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic posts?
>> > Thanks,
>> > Frank Binney
>> > NSS 10816 Fellow
>> > i...@frankbinney.com
>> >
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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

2016-07-08 Thread Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
You know it’s Friday when…

The number of posts complaining about the number of posts David makes… exceeds 
the number of posts David makes.

Cheers,
Stefan Creaser
Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: 
stefan_creaser

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 3:35 PM
To: Cavetex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

Oh come on Bill, you know you wanna :)

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Bill Bentley - 
ca...@caver.net via Texascavers 
> wrote:
Yes take it over... LOL... been there done that... Thank you but no... I just 
delete.
Bill Bentley
ca...@caver.net



Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers 
>
Date: 7/8/16 3:29 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Cavetex >
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!
We have 4 rules: http://texascavers.com/rules.html

David hasn't broken any rules and no, he's older than me Bob.

I maintain the rules as list owner, that's it.  I've always stated that this 
list is self moderated.  If you don't like a post that someone has sent out, 
send them a private message if possible.

If you don't like the list and how it's run, anyone is free to step up and take 
over, including hosting and paying.  Or, it's just easier to delete a message 
and go about enjoying your day.  Personally, that's what I do.

Charles
list owner
wo...@justfamily.org


On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Julia Germany via Texascavers 
> wrote:
Hi Frank!

We don't want to lose a valuable, iconic Texas caver from this list. Or any 
other cavers. Some folks forget these posts are read by cavers who are not  
in/from Texas. And, who don't know David.

I have no doubt someone will point out that David's posts say "off-topic," 
"delete now if you don't want to read it."

However, I concur that this listserv has a clear intention of being used for 
the purpose of cave-related posts.

I know David L posts comments on the various Texas cave-related Face Book pages.

Perhaps the moderator of this listserv could politely suggest that David post 
any non-cave related information on these other sites.  And, perhaps, even 
politely let David know that he might be unsubscribed if he continues to 
improperly use this listserv.

julia



- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
c: 281.979.9208
e: germa...@aol.com

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 13:30, Frank Binney via Texascavers 
> > wrote:
>
> Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and 
> caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately, 
> unsubscribed from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from David 
> Locklear.
> I’m about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded my 
> inbox with list-inappropriate posts.
> Can those of you who like David please counsel him on list etiquette and 
> suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic posts?
> Thanks,
> Frank Binney
> NSS 10816 Fellow
> i...@frankbinney.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

2016-07-08 Thread Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers 
Oh come on Bill, you know you wanna :)

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Bill Bentley - ca...@caver.net via
Texascavers  wrote:

> Yes take it over... LOL... been there done that... Thank you but no... I
> just delete.
> Bill Bentley
> ca...@caver.net
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers 
> Date: 7/8/16 3:29 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Cavetex 
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!
>
> We have 4 rules: http://texascavers.com/rules.html
>
> David hasn't broken any rules and no, he's older than me Bob.
>
> I maintain the rules as list owner, that's it.  I've always stated that
> this list is self moderated.  If you don't like a post that someone has
> sent out, send them a private message if possible.
>
> If you don't like the list and how it's run, anyone is free to step up and
> take over, including hosting and paying.  Or, it's just easier to delete a
> message and go about enjoying your day.  Personally, that's what I do.
>
> Charles
> list owner
> wo...@justfamily.org
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Julia Germany via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Frank!
>>
>> We don't want to lose a valuable, iconic Texas caver from this list. Or
>> any other cavers. Some folks forget these posts are read by cavers who are
>> not  in/from Texas. And, who don't know David.
>>
>> I have no doubt someone will point out that David's posts say
>> "off-topic," "delete now if you don't want to read it."
>>
>> However, I concur that this listserv has a clear intention of being used
>> for the purpose of cave-related posts.
>>
>> I know David L posts comments on the various Texas cave-related Face Book
>> pages.
>>
>> Perhaps the moderator of this listserv could politely suggest that David
>> post any non-cave related information on these other sites.  And, perhaps,
>> even politely let David know that he might be unsubscribed if he continues
>> to improperly use this listserv.
>>
>> julia
>>
>>
>>
>> - from julia's cell
>>
>> Julia G Germany
>> c: 281.979.9208
>> e: germa...@aol.com
>>
>> > On Jul 8, 2016, at 13:30, Frank Binney via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving
>> and caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately,
>> unsubscribed from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from
>> David Locklear.
>> > I’m about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has
>> flooded my inbox with list-inappropriate posts.
>> > Can those of you who like David please counsel him on list etiquette
>> and suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic posts?
>> > Thanks,
>> > Frank Binney
>> > NSS 10816 Fellow
>> > i...@frankbinney.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

2016-07-08 Thread Bill Bentley - ca...@caver.net via Texascavers 


Yes take it over... LOL... been there done that... Thank you but no... I just 
delete.Bill bentleyca...@caver.net 


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone

 Original message 
From: Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers  
Date: 7/8/16  3:29 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: Cavetex  
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !! 

We have 4 rules: http://texascavers.com/rules.html
David hasn't broken any rules and no, he's older than me Bob.
I maintain the rules as list owner, that's it.  I've always stated that this 
list is self moderated.  If you don't like a post that someone has sent out, 
send them a private message if possible. 
If you don't like the list and how it's run, anyone is free to step up and take 
over, including hosting and paying.  Or, it's just easier to delete a message 
and go about enjoying your day.  Personally, that's what I do.
Charleslist ownerwo...@justfamily.org

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Julia Germany via Texascavers 
 wrote:
Hi Frank!



We don't want to lose a valuable, iconic Texas caver from this list. Or any 
other cavers. Some folks forget these posts are read by cavers who are not  
in/from Texas. And, who don't know David.



I have no doubt someone will point out that David's posts say "off-topic," 
"delete now if you don't want to read it."



However, I concur that this listserv has a clear intention of being used for 
the purpose of cave-related posts.



I know David L posts comments on the various Texas cave-related Face Book pages.



Perhaps the moderator of this listserv could politely suggest that David post 
any non-cave related information on these other sites.  And, perhaps, even 
politely let David know that he might be unsubscribed if he continues to 
improperly use this listserv.



julia







- from julia's cell



Julia G Germany

c: 281.979.9208

e: germa...@aol.com



> On Jul 8, 2016, at 13:30, Frank Binney via Texascavers 
>  wrote:

>

> Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and 
> caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately, 
> unsubscribed from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from David 
> Locklear.

> I’m about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded my 
> inbox with list-inappropriate posts.

> Can those of you who like David please counsel him on list etiquette and 
> suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic posts?

> Thanks,

> Frank Binney

> NSS 10816 Fellow

> i...@frankbinney.com

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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

2016-07-08 Thread Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers 
We have 4 rules: http://texascavers.com/rules.html

David hasn't broken any rules and no, he's older than me Bob.

I maintain the rules as list owner, that's it.  I've always stated that
this list is self moderated.  If you don't like a post that someone has
sent out, send them a private message if possible.

If you don't like the list and how it's run, anyone is free to step up and
take over, including hosting and paying.  Or, it's just easier to delete a
message and go about enjoying your day.  Personally, that's what I do.

Charles
list owner
wo...@justfamily.org


On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Julia Germany via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Hi Frank!
>
> We don't want to lose a valuable, iconic Texas caver from this list. Or
> any other cavers. Some folks forget these posts are read by cavers who are
> not  in/from Texas. And, who don't know David.
>
> I have no doubt someone will point out that David's posts say "off-topic,"
> "delete now if you don't want to read it."
>
> However, I concur that this listserv has a clear intention of being used
> for the purpose of cave-related posts.
>
> I know David L posts comments on the various Texas cave-related Face Book
> pages.
>
> Perhaps the moderator of this listserv could politely suggest that David
> post any non-cave related information on these other sites.  And, perhaps,
> even politely let David know that he might be unsubscribed if he continues
> to improperly use this listserv.
>
> julia
>
>
>
> - from julia's cell
>
> Julia G Germany
> c: 281.979.9208
> e: germa...@aol.com
>
> > On Jul 8, 2016, at 13:30, Frank Binney via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> >
> > Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and
> caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately,
> unsubscribed from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from
> David Locklear.
> > I’m about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded
> my inbox with list-inappropriate posts.
> > Can those of you who like David please counsel him on list etiquette and
> suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic posts?
> > Thanks,
> > Frank Binney
> > NSS 10816 Fellow
> > i...@frankbinney.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

2016-07-08 Thread Julia Germany via Texascavers 
Hi Frank!

We don't want to lose a valuable, iconic Texas caver from this list. Or any 
other cavers. Some folks forget these posts are read by cavers who are not  
in/from Texas. And, who don't know David.

I have no doubt someone will point out that David's posts say "off-topic," 
"delete now if you don't want to read it."

However, I concur that this listserv has a clear intention of being used for 
the purpose of cave-related posts.

I know David L posts comments on the various Texas cave-related Face Book pages.

Perhaps the moderator of this listserv could politely suggest that David post 
any non-cave related information on these other sites.  And, perhaps, even 
politely let David know that he might be unsubscribed if he continues to 
improperly use this listserv.

julia 



- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
c: 281.979.9208
e: germa...@aol.com

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 13:30, Frank Binney via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and 
> caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately, 
> unsubscribed from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from David 
> Locklear. 
> I’m about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded my 
> inbox with list-inappropriate posts.
> Can those of you who like David please counsel him on list etiquette and 
> suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic posts?
> Thanks,
> Frank Binney
> NSS 10816 Fellow
> i...@frankbinney.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

2016-07-08 Thread Bob Oakley via Texascavers 
frank,
you better be careful speaking about St. locklear  in an unflattering manner.
seems like his father owns this list and will speak to you harshly and even 
threaten you with banishment for speaking about the chosen one in a non 
flattering manner
do not ask me how I know
do not ask Charlie loving either..
Bob  Oakley
 
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 11:30:19 -0700
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!
From: texascavers@texascavers.com

Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and 
caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately, unsubscribed 
from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from David Locklear. I’m 
about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded my inbox 
with list-inappropriate posts.Can those of you who like David please counsel 
him on list etiquette and suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic 
posts?Thanks,Frank BinneyNSS 10816 fellowi...@frankbinney.com


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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

2016-07-08 Thread Roger Moore (cavera...@aol.com) via Texascavers 
Or rather...


Roger G. Moore
NSS 12548RL


-Original Message-
From: Frank Binney via Texascavers 
To: Texas Cavers 
Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2016 1:31 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!



Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and 
caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately, unsubscribed 
from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from David Locklear. 
I’m about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded my 
inbox with list-inappropriate posts.
Can those of you who like David please counsel him on list etiquette and 
suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic posts?
Thanks,
Frank Binney
NSS 10816 Fellow
i...@frankbinney.com


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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

2016-07-08 Thread via Texascavers 
Oh, I don't know, Frank. I think there is a greater need being served by 
allowing such posts to occur without rancor. Some find them interesting and 
amusing, and it's always easy to punch the delete key. If it's so inconvenient 
to clean out your inbox of uninvited martial that is disagreeable, you may need 
to examine some of your own demons.

Jerry.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 8, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Frank Binney via Texascavers 
 wrote:

> Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and 
> caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately, 
> unsubscribed from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from David 
> Locklear. 
> I’m about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded my 
> inbox with list-inappropriate posts.
> Can those of you who like David please counsel him on list etiquette and 
> suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic posts?
> Thanks,
> Frank Binney
> NSS 10816 Fellow
> i...@frankbinney.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

2016-07-08 Thread Roger Moore (cavera...@aol.com) via Texascavers 
David, enough! Find another, more appropriate forum.


Roger G. Moore
NAA 12548RL



-Original Message-
From: Frank Binney via Texascavers 
To: Texas Cavers 
Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2016 1:31 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!



Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and 
caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately, unsubscribed 
from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from David Locklear. 
I’m about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded my 
inbox with list-inappropriate posts.
Can those of you who like David please counsel him on list etiquette and 
suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic posts?
Thanks,
Frank Binney
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[Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

2016-07-08 Thread Frank Binney via Texascavers 
Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and
caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately,
unsubscribed from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from
David Locklear. 
I¹m about to join them, as David¹s recent return to the list has flooded my
inbox with list-inappropriate posts.
Can those of you who like David please counsel him on list etiquette and
suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic posts?
Thanks,
Frank Binney
NSS 10816 Fellow
i...@frankbinney.com



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Re: [Texascavers] robots in today's news

2016-07-08 Thread Herman Miller via Texascavers 
This robot was no more autonomous than a predator drone in iraq.  What it
did we have been doing on a near daily basis since 9/11.  When predator
drones were initially armed there was a lot of talk about whether it
violated the Geneva conventions or not.  After deliberation it was found
that it was in concordance.  Are there autonomous "robots" capable of using
lethal force; most definitely.  There are FLIR controlled weapon mounts
that will fire indescriminantly and without input from a controller.  The
idea of strapping an explosive to a remote controlled vehicle is nothing
new.

Herman Miller
On Jul 8, 2016 11:11, "David via Texascavers" 
wrote:

This morning, the gov't ( a.k a Big Brother ) announced it sent a robot on
a mission to kill and destroy a specific citizen and the mission was a
success.

That is an important milestone in human history of Biblical importance.
Certainly more interesting than the story about the image of the rose
petals appearing on the drunk man's shirt ( See Virgin of Guadalupe )

We have known for at least a year they have been using remote control
drones to destroy groups of foreigners, but drones are not robots, and the
alleged Jihadist are not citizens.

So now we have a new worry.   Will the gov't use robots to kill us ?   Can
we trust human-killing robots ?   Can we trust men who profit from
human-killing robots ?   Will we build a robot designed to destroy
out-of-control human-kiling robots ?

David Locklear

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[Texascavers] robots in today's news

2016-07-08 Thread David via Texascavers 
This morning, the gov't ( a.k a Big Brother ) announced it sent a robot on
a mission to kill and destroy a specific citizen and the mission was a
success.

That is an important milestone in human history of Biblical importance.
Certainly more interesting than the story about the image of the rose
petals appearing on the drunk man's shirt ( See Virgin of Guadalupe )

We have known for at least a year they have been using remote control
drones to destroy groups of foreigners, but drones are not robots, and the
alleged Jihadist are not citizens.

So now we have a new worry.   Will the gov't use robots to kill us ?   Can
we trust human-killing robots ?   Can we trust men who profit from
human-killing robots ?   Will we build a robot designed to destroy
out-of-control human-kiling robots ?

David Locklear
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