Re: [Texascavers] Tom Meador related

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Tom Meador-Interesting and amazing David found that.
Preston in KY 

On Friday, December 8, 2017 3:49 PM, David via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 My Google settings notified me today that someone named Cecil Meador passed 
away.   I thought that was worth looking into, and assumed it must somehow be 
related to Tom Meador.
According to his obituary he was the father of noted speleologist Tom Meador
http://www.gosanangelo.com/story/news/local/2017/12/05/homestead-rancher-oilman-cecil-meador-known-his-quick-wit/810114001/



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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican vehicle permit related

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Potrero Chico, now that was a nice pool we stopped at one hot afternoon during 
the Giant Caves of Northern Mexico adventure several years ago.
Hope all is going well Nico.

Preston Forsythe in west KY 

On Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:07 PM, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 I live less than 2 miles from Potrero chico, the pools are closed for the 
season. 
El 25 nov. 2017 11:09 AM, "Cathy Winfrey via Texascavers" 
 escribió:

Swimming within 100 miles of Bustamante: Portrero Chico. Should be on the 
web--- climbers love the limestone there. All the pools may not have water in 
them. Should check.
On Nov 19, 2017 8:27 PM, "David via Texascavers"  
wrote:

>From David LocklearHit delete button now, please.


I am posting this here because someone might have had some vague intangible 
interest.

This post is only for U.S.A. people wanting to drive their car deep into 
Mexici, and who do not live near a bordertown, nor want to have vehicle 
importation problems at the "aduana" slow down their trip.

In Houston, in order to get a "vehicle" permit it is a huge hassle.
But before I get to that, you first need to have a car title, or an official 
letter from the leinholder.   It is helpful if that is a credit union, and that 
process of getting them to provide such a letter for the first time takes about 
24 hours.  They will not give you the letter unless you first purchase Mexico 
insurance.   That really sucks, because you are throwing all that time and 
money down the toilet, if you change travel plans.
So once you have all that, here is what I had to do:
Step 1:    call Mexico long-distance and apply over the phone for a formal 
interview appointment. 
# 011-52-55-5626-0500

You get a complicated voice menu and you enter a 4-digit extension.
This has to be done at least 24 hours in advance.    
The operator will tell you which appointment slots are available with the 
Mexican Consulate Office in the mid-town area of Houston( Hwy 59 and Fannin St. 
).   
Step 2:   Then you have to drive there the following weekday ( or later) 
arriving exactly 5 minutes before the appointment.  You stand in a complicated 
line outside on Caroline St. ( very reminiscent of the movie "Soylent Green," 
waiting for your Soylent Green ration. )  you feel there like you are no longer 
in the USA, nor even in the 21st Century.
You have to be careful here for pickpockets and scammers and muggers from your 
parking spot to the line.  There is one security guard at the main pedestrian 
gate which is the only way to enter.
Once in line, you do a bizarre childish ritual of musical chairs for an hour 
with some scary looking guys that resemble Enrique Penya Nieto.  In my case, 
there was a super gorgeous lady sitting next to me and so I gave her my number 
and asked her to please forward it to her younger sister who she said was 
single in Mexico.  While in line they pull you out for 5 minutes for an 
interview with person of low IQ.  You have to formally declare your religion to 
them, along with other bizarre questions.
Fortunately, I read the fine print of my initial interview form while sitting 
in the line, because the clerk typed that I was from Aruba.
At the end of the line - the window ( Banjercito ), you begin the vehicle 
stuff.   It is chaotic - 2 clerks and 2 tourist using the same window.  There 
are no holes in the window for speaking, so you have to yell and listen 
carefully. You want to say to yourself, WTF !    Nothing is logical.   All they 
ever asked for was a copy of the Texas Vehicle Registration paper that you get 
when you apply for a state registration window sticker.  I do not recall seeing 
them look at the credit union letter, nor my insurance.   But I would not have 
done all that without first assuring myself that I could get my credit union 
permission.
Then you hand them a credit card, and they charge $ 470.   The $ 400 part is a 
deposit, and there are more bizarre questions, the rest is a standard 
processing fee.    They did not ask about my former vehicle papers, but it has 
been 13 years.I assume I get the deposit back in July ??   I have never ever 
done anything that stupid, that I recall.


In addition to all that,
in my case, I also spent money on gas driving there, as I do not live in Harris 
County, and also paying to park in a place my car could have easily been broken 
into.
I will say, that after leaving the Consulate Office with the permit in hand 
that it gives one a warm fuzzy feeling - until you receive the text message 
your charge card was hit with $ 470. 
My permit is good until May 19th, and my credit union says they will amend the 
letter next time I want to go again.    AAA clerk said that that was too much 
of a hassle and hope I don't have to do that insurance again.


As far as other expenses getting ready for a road-trip, so far
All I did to the Sequoia was change the oil, but 

Re: [Texascavers] 2018 TCMA Board of Directors election

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Yes, but what a fine list of candidates. You all are so lucky.
Preston in KY  

On Saturday, November 11, 2017 5:36 AM, Bill Bentley via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

   
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 On 11/10/2017 8:34 PM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers wrote:
  
  The elections for the 2018 Board of Directors will be taking place starting 
at midnight tonight. Check your email for your chance to weigh in. Since they 
were delayed a little by some technical difficulties voting will be available 
until December 1st. Please see our website for the candidate bios and 
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Re: [Texascavers] RAM Prospector

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Well the Snorkel would have been worth the vehicle price back in the days when 
Blake drove the Hog of Steel, starting on the Mexico side, 4/5th of the way 
across the Rio Grande at Boquillas, at the Big Bend. We would have made it 
except when the headlights went under water and the steering wheel was partly 
under water-the engine stopped from lack of air. We were only 40 ft. from the 
USA.
See Blake for the rest of the story circa 1977.
Preston in Outer Browder, KY-but not as far out there as Boquillas was at 2 am 
that night. 

On Sunday, November 5, 2017 4:36 PM, David via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 This machine is so incredible.
Dodge wants $ 76,660 for it.
37 inch all-terrain tires, full-size spare, engine-snorkel, front and rear 
differential lockers, 4.10 gear, all sorts of upgraded lights, Warn 16.5 winch, 
 retractable side steps winch, 
The picture shoes my Sequoia in the background. Plus another $ 14,000 of 
numerous upgrades, 3 inch suspension lift,  upgraded bumper, etc.
Base truck is The Powerwagon package with 6.4 liter Hemi.  6 speed, 4x4, MDS, 
alarm, navigation, Sirius, etc 
I have never seen such a beautiful truck.  I would only add a large 
custom-built camper shell, and someday a bigger rear bumper.
This one is in Lufkin.
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[Texascavers] Bats and Tequila

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Rejoice, Tequila Drinkers! Now You Can Be Socially Responsible

  
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Hope this opens for you.
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Re: [Texascavers] Tom and Janie White

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Three times we have been to Rockport to go on Whooping Crane tours at the 
Aranus National Wildlife Refuge. We stayed at Goose Island , twice, and a motel 
right on the water once and I am afraid both were hit hard, dead center of the 
storm. The Live Oaks down there are huge and beautiful so hope they survived as 
the stories those oaks could tell of past hurricanes woud take all night to 
hear.
We hope your friends and neighbors and cavers present and past who live in that 
area are well.
Preston in KY   

On Monday, August 28, 2017 12:05 PM, James Jasek via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 Gas stations in Waco Texas are out of gas

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On Aug 28, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Sam Young via Texascavers 
 wrote:

Everyone,

We talked to Tom on the phone yesterday.  They have been in Seguin and will be 
moving to Corpus in a couple of days.  When they are eventually able to do so, 
they will make trips into Rockport to take care of the house.  The house did 
not get boarded up and there are some windows knocked out.  Some of their 
neighbors are helping them out.  Tom and Janie are doing fine.  I hope that we 
stay in touch with them and I will post updates here.

 Sam Young
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[Texascavers] Green River, KY

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FYI-
Yesterday, I stopped by the Brownville Dam on the Green River inside the edge 
of Mammoth Cave Nat'l Park. The dam is completely removed. IMHO this is great 
news. That removal has been talked about for decades and I am sure volumes of 
studies have been made. But, late last year the dam begin to fail on the side 
of the old mud plugged lock. For safety reasons the dam had to be removed fast 
before a sudden huge failure, maybe hurting someone. This spring the project 
began and yesterday was the first chance I have had to see it. The old dam 
backed up water 17 miles and the difference in water levels above and below was 
maybe 4-6 ft.
The dam is gone and only a small rapid is present in the low water conditions. 
I was only there a short time. Some concrete from the dam was piled up 
downstream on the opposite bank and that was about all I saw from the old dam. 
Heavy equipment was on site constructing a gravel parking lot.
This has the potential to open up low levels of the cave for exploration. Dig 
out your wetsuits.
And, two, this will help the mussel population in Green River, already the 
location of some of the rarest mussels in the world. We may join an Owensboro 
Sierra Club outing this coming Sat. at Munsfordville studying Mussels, with a 
PhD mussels specialist.

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Re: [Texascavers] A question about the rights of cavers

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Similar cave land owner right cases in KY have been discussed and taken to 
court starting in the late 1800's and early 1900's.
See below these stories-cases-briefs and review on Great Onyx Cave, 3 miles 
from Mammoth Cave, Kentucky.
The history of Mammoth Cave is fascinating. I hope you can set aside some time 
to read this account, especially L.P. Edwards vs. Edmund Turner. 
A few years ago I was at Flint Ridge Baptist Church when Edmund Turner, 
namesake of the famous Turner Avenue under Flint Ridge, was given a new 
tombstone. The next time you stop by this cemetery to see Floyd Collins' final 
resting place, please visit with Edmund Turner and so many others associated 
with Mammoth Cave who are buried in that cemetery, the most famous caver 
cemetery in the world.
http://chaselaw.nku.edu/content/dam/chaselaw/docs/academics/lawreview/v40/nklr_v40n1_pp001-048.pdf


Preston Forsythe
Browder, KY 

On Saturday, July 22, 2017 1:16 AM, Terry Holsinger via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 Marvin, just my opinion, and only a lawyer and judge could answer a 
specific question about a specific issue/problem/case.

However any data and photos belong to "you" unless you produced them 
"for hire" then they belong to who ever hired you to produce that data.

As for someone suing you, well that can (and does) happen anytime 
someone has the money and the desire to file suit against whoever they 
want and they can do it for anything.
As to if it goes anywhere in CIVIL court is up to your lawyer and the 
judge.
It IS possible for someone to prevent/restrict a "use" of your 
data/photos IF they can prove in court that doing so will "harm" them 
is some way.

That said, IMO for it to get anywhere in court this "other" landowner 
will need to prove that the information is on their property AND was 
generated during their ownership of said property AND that you 
knowingly produced this data after being told to not trespass on that 
property AND that that landowner made a valid effort to secure and 
post their property line in a court accepted manner, fencing and 
signage being the norm AND (this may be the most important to winning 
a case) they will need to prove that your data/information in some way 
"harms" them.

In a case where the landowner does not have access to "their" cave 
either by a natural or artificial entrance they have no way of proving 
you were on their property in the first place.
Nor do they have any way of preventing your egress to/from any cave 
passage under their property.
Yes in Texas the property ownership goes from the sky above to ground 
below (mineral rights being able to be separated from and sold 
separately from the land).
Caves MIGHT be able to be classified with mineral rights IF someone 
wanted to, for example in the case of commercial use of said cave.

If I recall there is (was) a TPWD boundary sign that was placed by 
cavers in one of the side passages in Honey Creek Cave were it goes 
under the park boundary fence. Someone at TPWD had said something to 
the effect that cavers needed to stop "digging" they way they were in 
that passage under the park as that method of "digging" was not 
approved by TWPD (and that is what propmpted the placement of said 
signage).

Terry H.

On 2017-07-22 0:00, Marvin and Lisa via Texascavers wrote:
> We have probably all been in this situation: A landowner invites you
> explore a cave on his land. You do a few trips with your caving buds.
> You survey the cave. After surveying it becomes obvious that the cave
> crosses under the property line of the neighboring landowner. Are you
> trespassing if you continue to visit the cave and pass under the
> neighboring property? Were you trespassing before you were aware that
> the cave crossed the property line? Is it only trespassing when the
> neighbor becomes aware of the cave and asks you not to traverse his
> part of the cave anymore?
>
>
>
> A related question: Does the survey data you collected of the
> neighbor’s portion of the cave and do the pictures you took of that
> area belong to you, or would the neighboring landowner have standing
> to sue in court for the rights to that data?
>
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] National Park Pass fee to increase

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The best $10  I have ever spent! The National Park Senior Pass. We have really 
used it over the years.
Preston Forsythe in KY  

On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:15 PM, Louise Power via Texascavers 
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 #yiv0929780654 #yiv0929780654 -- P 
{margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv0929780654 Bill,
I agree. With all that Park Service has to pay for and for all they do for our 
parks and the fact that the Orange Menace's Congress seems to be cutting back 
the budgets for all the land management agencies, we shouldn't resent paying 
more considering what we get for our money. I've worked for both NPS and BLM 
and believe me they're not easy jobs.
Louise

From: Texascavers  on behalf of Bill 
Steele via Texascavers 
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:54 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: Bill Steele
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] National Park Pass fee to increase I got one in Zion 
National Park last year. It cost me $10 for a lifetime pass. It includes 
everyone in the vehicle with me. I told the NPS guy it was the best deal in the 
country and an incentive to live a long time.

Bill Steele 
cwilliamste...@gmail.com

> On Jul 19, 2017, at 1:37 AM, David via Texascavers 
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> I am sure you all have heard that if you qualify for a Senior Pass with NPS, 
> and
> do not have one that you should order one ASAP as the fee will increase in 
> six weeks.
> 
> I do not have the link in front of me.
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Re: [Texascavers] Underground chamber world’s fourth largest - La Muñeca Fea in Puebla, Mexico :

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Yes, that was a great morning wake-up read about the huge rooms and systems, 
thanks to Gustavo, Sprouse and others. When I moved to TX the fall of 1972 I 
was able to join Blake and Watson and others for the exploration and survey of 
Precipicio west of Bustamante. Another huge room, plus for awhile it made the 
20 deepest in Mexico, a little under 1,000 ft. deep.
Thanks Blake,
Preston in KY 

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 8:18 AM, James Jasek via Texascavers 
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 Wow!  What a fantastic find. Thanks for posting 

James Jasek

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Re: [Texascavers] The future of NSS membership

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Yes Harvey, there were some problems with registration. I was a registration 
volunteer at the start of convention at noon Saturday, so I heard some of the 
problems. What I understand the main problem with the online registration was 
the small box that had to be checked you had read and understood the WNS Rules. 
If you did not check that box, and many folks did overlook it, your 
registration would not process. I am sorry but that got many people and many 
who registered in person did not receive a guidebook or program because the 
budget did not allow for extras.
Thank you for helping arrange the travel to convention for Carol and Alan Hill. 
They were one of the top highlights of the enjoyable week.
Preston Forsythe in KY

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Re: [Texascavers] Need help with a Property Evaluation Near Devils Sinkhole on Sunday, June 4th

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What an opportunity. A chance to walk the karst in the vicinity of the world 
famous Devil's Sinkhole, the star of Bulletin 10, one of my prized caving pubs.
That would really be fun.
But, sorry we cannot make it as going full steam so we can escape to the 
convention in NM.
See you there.
Preston Forsythe
Browder, KY  

On Thursday, June 1, 2017 8:24 AM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 Folks,

I’ve been working on a tracer testing project near Rocksprings, Texas over the 
last couple of months. We’re partnered with UT-San Antonio, Devils Sinkhole 
State Natural Area, Nueces River Authority, Real Edwards Conservation District, 
TTU – Junction, and local landowners. Our interest is to test the groundwater 
boundaries between the Llano and Nueces River basins. The surface water basin 
is located on the ridgeline east of Rocksprings that generally follows highway 
377 from Rocksprings east to the junction with Highway 41. The groundwater 
divide may be much further north and in the Llano River Watershed. It is not 
uncommon for groundwater and surface water boundaries to not agree. This may 
explain the presence and size of the Devils Sinkhole since it is relatively 
close to the surface water divide and also implies there is a large conduit and 
cave system at depth feeding the springs on the Llano and Nueces rivers. The 
identification of the groundwater boundary is important in calculating recharge 
contributions for the Trinity and Edwards Aquifer groundwater models to obtain 
an accurate water balance.

We’ve had problems finding suitable injection points in the area for dye 
tracing. We have good coverage of the potential discharge points (springs and 
wells) but need to find some caves or sinkholes we can use for the injection of 
dye.

We have started one tracer test from Devils Sinkhole but the results have been 
inconclusive as we probably didn’t use a sufficient quantity of dye. We plan on 
repeating the tracer test in Devils Sinkhole in the very near future. We also 
have access to a large ranch on Sunday to walk the drainages to the north of 
Route 377.  The thought is that there may be some small sinkholes or caves on 
the property that would allow us to inject water for a dye trace. What I need 
is the critical eye of cavers to help identify said features.

So, I’m looking for some help from cavers to come out on Sunday (June 4) and 
walk the property and evaluate karst features. While I can’t pay you or even 
cover your costs, I can offer an interesting opportunity and potential for new 
caves, participation in some interesting science, the undying gratitude of the 
citizens of the Nueces and Llano River basins, and the sense of accomplishment 
of a job well done (what more could you ask for).

If you’re interested in helping, please send me an email at 
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org or call me at 
210.326.1576 (cell) and I can fill you in on the details.

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Re: [Texascavers] GPS Navigation gadgets

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Hey, topos are still in style. That is all I use. A topo with a cave location 
is the simplest thing.
You have not navigated until the one klick grid is solid green and no contour 
lines or blue lines and your life depended on knowing where your were. Ask me 
how we did it and I will tell you a story at the NM convention coming up fast.

Preston in KY

 

On Monday, May 29, 2017 10:58 AM, Pete Lindsley via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 Charles and David: I thought Navigon was a bit pricy, particularly since long 
ago I had purchased iHike, following many years of use of MacGPS Pro on a Mac. 
[https://www.ihikegps.com/]  "No charges for Maps…Ever" . Download your maps 
when you have internet access. Take track logs and set waypoints in the field, 
and if you missed a map you can download it later to see where that new-found 
cave waypoint is located. Sailors will be interested in a related IOS 
application called iSail. Larry James does a great job updating his apps and 
listens to his user's suggestions.
 - Pete
On May 28, 2017, at 6:12 PM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers wrote:
I'd suggest using your smartphone, and IMHO, google maps is superior to 
anything else, including the dedicated ones.  The fact that it's always 
updating and you can send corrections as well is great.
It will do offline mapping, but it isn't the best at that.  I do keep another 
app on my iPhone as a backup that has offline maps, Navigon.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:12 PM, David via Texascavers 
 wrote:

This may surprise the young cavers, but just about 5 years ago, most cavers did 
not have any kind of street navigation gadget in their cars.
I can only guess that 40% either have a dedicated navigation gadget in their 
car,  or they mount their large smartphone or phablets in a bracket.

I hope to purchase a dedicated navigation gadget this week.
Anybody have any tips ?
Is a touch-screen an important feature ?
Is a slim model an important feature ?
Does brand matter ?
Why not just get a 2nd phone line ?
David lockleardlocklea...@gmail.com
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Re: [Texascavers] PESH Trip Report at Monday's Bexar Grotto meeting

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For those of you who cannot make the Bexar meeting to hear Bill Steele, like me 
who cannot make it, I bet Bill will present at the New Mexico NSS convention 
and Shari and I will be there! 

Preston Forsythe, Browder, KY, about an 18 hour drive from San Antonio, and 
around, I guess, 29 hours to NM. 

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:40 PM, Bennett Lee via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

  Do all you 
Bexar Grotto members remember the hubbub with PESH and getting a presenter to 
the Bexar Grotto?  Fernando did a great job—but this Monday, May 22, we have 
all the PESH details from the Man of Steele himself, Bill Steele!  For those 
who don’t know Bill, he fills his time traveling the globe on cruise ships 
giving speeches on caving.  Yes, he is a professional orator (he’s almost as 
good as me).  And he’s coming to the Bexar Grotto to give his follow-up to the 
PESH expedition.  Come see what it was all about and get the inside scoop for 
next year’s trip!    The Bexar Grotto meets every 2nd and 4th Monday of the 
month at 7pm in the Party Room of Chester’s at 410 and N New Braunfels.    
Chester's Hamburgers 1006 NE Loop 410 San Antonio, TX 78209    Bennett Lee 
Programs Vice-Chair Bexar Grotto    
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Re: [Texascavers] TSA Spring Meeting Minutes

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Thanks for the TSA minutes. I read and now feel like in touch with Texas 
Cavers. Sorry we could not make it to the weekend.

Preston Forsythe in KY 

On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:51 PM, Elizabeth Herren via Texascavers 
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  Hello everyone! The Spring Member's Meeting Minutes have been posted online. 
Enjoy!

https://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html

Thank you - Liz Herren

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Re: [Texascavers] Mixon progress report

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Wish we were closer to help.
Preston 

On Friday, February 24, 2017 8:20 AM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 Today (Friday) I am moving from physical therapy place following 
hospitalization with pneumonia to apartment 328 at Brookdale Gaines Ranch, 4409 
Gaines Ranch Loop, Austin 78735. I did not encourage visitors here at therapy, 
but visitors will be welcome at the apartment. Visitors are liable to be 
recruited to help me unpack boxes of books or run errands, though. Be sure to 
phone (512) 288-4991 too check I'll be there; I have a backlog of things like 
doctors appointments.

I will be disconnecting computer shortly, but should be back up and on Internet 
by Saturday afternoon.

Jocie Hooper has been very helpful bringing me things and getting me the 
four-wheel walker that I need to get around. Logan McNatt helped move my 
computer, here and Pete Strickland, long with Jocie, is going to help me move 
today. -- Bill Mixon

Nature is a hanging judge.

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(unless it's a TexasCavers list post)
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR musician suggestion

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Ref. guitar playing at TCR. Recently Tommy Flint, 82, died. He was born at 
Dunmor, KY, 5 miles south of me. Short story. Tommy became a big time guitar 
player-opening act for Elvis and others-but he was famous for 40 books on 
playing the guitar with his most famous book being "You Can Teach Yourself 
Fingerpicking Guitar." I inadvertently ordered 2 copies. See me at NM if you 
want a free copy. This was published by Mel Bay.
Preston Forsythe, down the road from Dunmor, KY. location of my Granddad's 
first country store, and official location of the incorporation of Forsythe 
Co., Inc., first known as Dunmor Mercantile Co., Inc. 

On Sunday, February 19, 2017 12:41 PM, Herman Miller via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 I say we just have a collection of goodwill instruments on stage and anyone 
who wants to jam can.  It's free and the more alcohol the better the music 
sounds.
On Feb 19, 2017 5:41 AM, "Charles Loving via Texascavers" 
 wrote:

Sure. Who pays for them?
On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 1:00 AM, David via Texascavers 
 wrote:

I vote we bring these folks to TCR to perform:

https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=yRwAl4pOAWE

Anybody 2nd the motion ??

David Locklear

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[Texascavers] Dark as a Dungeon, Caver Version by Jan Conn, plus Original Version by Merle Travis, Solo Guitar 1951

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DARK AS A DUNGEON

CAVERS VERSION

By Jan Conn 


 
Come all you young fellows so bold and so brave

And seek not adventure way down in a cave.

It’ll form like a habit and seep into your blood.

‘Till your skin bleaches white and your veins fill with mud.

Chorus:

Oh!  It’s dark as adungeon and damp as the dew,

Where the dangers are double and the pleasures are few,

Where the grass never grows and the rain never falls,

And the sun never shines in those underground halls.


 
There’s duckways and crawlways and bottomless pits,

You’re sore and you’re tired and scared out of your wits.

If you slip from your footing you’ll likely be dead,

But you can’t straighten up without cracking your head.


 
Oh, It’s many a fine man I’ve seen in my time,

Who has sunk to the depths and been lost in the grime.

Like a fiend with his dope or a drunk with his booze,

He can’t shake the mud from his old caving shoes.


 
So if you are searching for thrills and delights,

Stay above ground on the tree covered heights.

For once you descend, it’s as though to the grave,

For your soul will be lost to the lure of the cave.


 
First published in The Nittany Groto Newsletter.

Vol. X, No. 3, p.42 

I spotted this in the Speleo Digest, 1961, National SpeleologicalSociety, 
Published by the Pittsburgh Grotto

And, here is Merle Travis who wrote the song. Notice Merlewalks in wearing his 
miner’s cap with a carbide lite. 

Dark as a Dungeon (solo guitar, 1951)


 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FPmSLzsbdM 


 
Cavingly,


 
Preston Forsythe

Muhlenberg County, KY


 
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Re: [Texascavers] vertical technique question

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Yes, a pretty good vertical stunt.
Preston in KY 

On Monday, February 6, 2017 2:37 PM, David via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 In the Half-Time performance of the SuperBowl yesterday, the starring 
performer appeared to jump off a platform near the ceiling of the stadium.   
She did this jump Australian-style and descend fairly rapidly on 2 steel cables 
attached to her waist at tiny swiveling connectors similar or identical to 
those used by circus acrobats.
I do not know how much of that was the illusion of photography.
But she appeared to me to jump from 180 feet high and land on a tiny platform 
that was 35 feet in the air and land accurately and smoothly.
The cables then smoothly layered her to the main stage 30 feet below.
I have to assume there was a fancy system of pulleys and winches and motors 
hidden above the platform she leaped off of.
I was impressed.    It would be fun to do in a cave, but I am sure I exceed the 
weight-limit.
David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Christmas Party - December 17th at 6 pm Casa de Schindel

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Wish we were closer to Geary's in San Antonio as I do like my roof star 
watching time,but, we are going to the Huntsville New Year Eve Party.  To Party 
and check out what has been done recently and see what is left to do to "our" 
headquarters.
Preston Forsythe, KY 

On Thursday, December 8, 2016 2:07 PM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 Folks,
The Bexar Grotto Holiday Party will be held on Saturday, December 17th from 6 
pm until whenever at Geary and Sue Schindel’s house located at 11310 Whisper 
Dawn in San Antonio. Phone is 210.479.2151. This is the same location as last 
year. The grotto will be providing a ham and other fixings and attendees are 
asked to bring an appropriate dish or dishes. There is a grill available in the 
backyard but we also encourage folks to bring dishes that have already been 
prepared as much of the kitchen space is taken up by blenders and glass 
containers and there is little room to prepare a dish. There is a microwave, 
oven, and stove top for heating up dishes as necessary.
The grotto will not be providing adult beverages but please feel free to bring 
your own beverage of choice. Please make sure that you drink responsibly.
There will also be a White Elephant gift exchange with certain restrictions. 
Gifts in the $5 to $20 range are appropriate and creative homemade gifts are 
always appreciated – especially if they are funny or related to caving (maybe 
another “Cat O 9” will make an appearance).  The house rules are that If you 
receive a gift,  you must take it home. If no one takes your gift, you have to 
take that home also. The only exception is beer, wine, or liquor – you can 
leave that. We would also encourage you to take home your dishes you bring and 
check out the selection as you may have one left over from last year. Please no 
pets as gifts – they tend to be left behind and usually end up in my neighbor’s 
yard for some reason.
We’re all for a separate exchange for kids if a parent wants to organize that. 
My kids are great so no, you can’t change your kids for my kids no matter how 
much my kids beg.
 Couple of ground rules:
 •        Event attire is Christmas Casual. That means you’re welcome to dress 
up or not but please, make sure you change out of caving cloths and leave muddy 
boots in the car. If you need a shower before the party, we have a hose in the 
backyard.
 •        If you’ve had too much to drink, we will find someone to drive you 
home or find a place for you at or under the house.
 •        Kids are welcome but they need to be well behaved. No running in and 
out of the house or playing around the fire in the backyard. Our house is not 
kid proof and we don’t want anyone hurt.
 •
 •        Please be careful where you park and don’t block any of the 
neighbor’s drive ways. However, street parking is fair game so don’t let anyone 
tell you otherwise. No open containers in the street and please don’t throw any 
bottles in people’s front or backyards.
 •        The hot tub is hot and open for business. If you want to get in, plan 
accordingly. Please no diving or jumping and no snorkels and masks and there is 
no lifeguard on duty. Tub at your own risk.
 •        Please leave your guns at home.
 •        No keg stands, that resulted in some pretty messy accidents at the 
last party and we don’t need that in the house.

 •        If you get a Cat O Nine Tails in the gift exchange, we would 
recommend you put it away as they can leave some nasty long term marks for the 
inexperienced.
 •        No pets, including service animals. We now have three pets that don’t 
tolerate other animals very well – no matter how well trained they are.
 •        Stay off the roof and out of the trees – no good can come of it 
(geezzz. I hate having to keep posting this every year).
 Hopefully, the ground rules aren’t too restrictive.
 Geary and Sue Schindel
11310 Whisper Dawn
San Antonio, Texas 78230
210.479.2151 phone

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Re: [Texascavers] Property with Cave for sale - Bloomington, IN

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Some may say Bloomington and area is caved out but it was once Mecca.
Preston, in caved out west KY? or waiting on the next generation. 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 4:43 PM, Julia Germany via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 Received an email today from a real estate agent alerting me to a property for 
sale in Bloomington, IN that includes a cave.  Property is 88.36 acres.

Click on the link below and scroll through the pics (there are 23). Pics 11-13 
show the sink entrance; looks interesting. No pics inside the cave.

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7318-W-Eller-Rd-Bloomington-IN-47403/2113160540_zpid/

Just up the road from the property is Karst Farm Park. Interesting name.
 
 
Julia G Germany
germa...@aol.com 

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Re: [Texascavers] Blair Pittman Obit in The Big Bend Gazette

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Sorry to read about Blair and his interesting life. Wish we had known him. 
Thanks for posting.
Preston Forsythe  

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 9:51 PM, via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

  Blair Pittman Obit Attached (if the attachment did not come through on the 
re-mailer, write me and I'll send it directly) is the excellent obit for Blair 
that appeared in the Big Bend Gazette. It is distributed to the caving 
community with permission and encouragement of the editor, Marlys Hersey. Send 
her a thank you at Marlys HerseyEditor, The Big Bend Gazette(432) 
386-0479www.bigbendgazette.com with a copy to Jean Hardy-Pittman at 
"Hardy-Pittman, Jean"  Both will greatly appreciate your 
note. Blair's first wife, Abbie Brummett was known as "Tink". Blair and Tink 
were married in Caverns of Sonora. Tink's parents (James and Ann Brummett) were 
then at Caverns of Sonora and later moved to Cascade Caverns and then to Inner 
Space. (Thanks to Carl Kunath for straightening me out about that!) Troy passed 
away a few years ago, while Blair was living here in Terlingua. DirtDoc 
xHi, Dwight. How sweet. Here it is, 
attached. I JUST NOW found this in my "drafts" folder. I am sorry for the 
delay. I have no idea why it did not send 9 days ago when I first drafted this. 
 Marlys HerseyEditor, The Big Bend Gazette(432) 386-0479www.bigbendgazette.com  
 Original Message 
 Subject: Blair's obit
 From: dirt...@comcast.net
 Date: Tue, November 08, 2016 3:55 pm
 To: edi...@bigbendgazette.com John and Marlys: We are subscribers and 
long-term supporters of the Gazette, and also a very long time friend and 
adventuring associate of Blair Pittman. I'm a link to the caving community and 
would very much like to obtain an electronic copy of your excellent obit for 
Blair to share with some of his cave exploring friends far from Terlingua. 
Thanks for your consideration. Dwight DealBox 10, terlinguadirt...@comcast.net
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Re: [Texascavers] Movie by the Pond, at Pete Strickland's

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I saw the play 3 times while still in the army-West Greenwich Village, Sydney 
and SF. But, sorry cannot make it for the movie, as we have a state speleo 
survey meeting this Sunday in Lexington. This KY group, KSS, is making broad 
advances trying to catch up with the TSS. 
Preston at Outer Browder home of the short-eared owls as this evening we 
reported the first one observed this fall in KY.   

On Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:29 PM, via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

   We will be having a "Movie by the Pond" at my place Sat. Nov. 12th at 6:00. 
We will be showing the 1979 film "Hair" based on the Broadway play. For info 
call Pete at 512 897 9235.

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Re: [Texascavers] Geoff Robertson lost in the El Abra

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Sad, interesting story on Geoff in the El Abra, Cuesta area, once very popular 
caving area in the mid 70's. Very easy to see how one could get lost, 
especially with the machete and compass interference. The Macaws, the shaft of 
sunlight down Cuesta, the thick jungle and the easy to find 100 m. deep virgin 
pits. Those were the days.
Preston Forsythe up in western KY  

On Saturday, November 5, 2016 9:38 PM, via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

    
 The story of Geoff Robertson getting lost in the El Abra is an interesting 
lesson in how notto navigate in the wilderness. Over Thanksgiving 1980 I took a 
group of people to look for along-rumored black hole somewhere near Sótano de 
la Cuesta in the Sierra de El Abra of northern Mexico.Cuesta was a well-known 
and spectacular 170-meter drop. In those days the El Abra was a 
populardestination to look for pits, of which there were many, but with little 
ease of access. This was in thedays before GPS or even decent topographic maps. 
Cavers actually made their own maps based on flyingover the area, taking 
photos, and conducting ground reconnaissance.    On this particular 
trip we were camped out near Cuesta, several hours' hike from the Otates 
Mineroad. One evening Geoff decided to hike over to another pit (Sótano de la 
Estrella) to photograph macawsas they came in to roost. Everyone on the trip 
had a copy of the caver map of the area, and instructions thatif they got lost, 
they should hike north because the mine road ran completely across the mountain 
rangefrom west to east. Since we were south of the road, hiking north would 
eventually get you there.    As fate would have it, Geoff stayed 
out a bit too late and got disoriented trying to followthe trail from Estrella 
back to our camp in near darkness. These trails were made by cavers, and 
werenot particularly big or obvious. The thorn forest jungle there is 
incredibly thick and impenetrable,and the terrain has little relief and few 
landmarks visible from any distance. Nevertheless, locallythe ground can be 
very irregular, with lots of exposed karst. Ten feet off the trail, and you 
could betotally lost.    According to Geoff, once he realized he 
was lost and that it was getting dark, he made thedecision to bivouac in the 
karst by clearing out a spot between outcrops and covering himself withleaves. 
That was smart. What he did the next day was not.    When Geoff got 
up the next morning he headed north, as directed, but soon decided the goingwas 
too rough and decided to try a different direction for a while to see if it got 
easier. When thatdid not fare any better, he tried again to go north, but he 
was carrying his compass and his machetein the same hand. We later determined 
that a machete can deflect a compass by at least 90 degrees, sono telling what 
direction he was actually going. He was now totally lost far from where he had 
startedor wanted to be.    In the meantime, the rest of our group 
was beating the bushes looking for Geoff. Our worstfear was that he had gotten 
too close to one of the pits and fallen in. We looked all around the pitsand 
also rigged and dropped them. He was nowhere to be found. After a couple of 
days of fruitlesssearching, our supplies were depleted and people needed to get 
home for work and school. Our finalhope was that he had made his way back to 
the road and that we would either find him waiting at thevehicle or down by the 
highway. Neither turned out to be the case.    Back in Austin a 
major rescue was organized and a group of 16 cavers headed back down to lookfor 
Geoff. We started fanning out across the karst near Estrella looking behind 
every karst pinnaclein case he had broken a leg or fallen into a hole. Not long 
after we started searching, a runner fromthe Mexican Red Cross, which had been 
notified and was on the scene, came down the trail saying thatGeoff had 
self-rescued. He had stumbled out of the jungle at a small village 10 
kilometers to thesouth after hearing the sound of trucks on the highway in the 
distance. He had been lost for over fivedays, surviving on stump water and 
orchid bulbs.  Fortunately this affair ended on a good note. 
Geoff survived basically unharmed, and we founda nice pit while looking for him 
(Sótano de Alegría). Gill Ediger had a great idea for a tee shirt,but as far as 
I know it was never produced. He proposed a compass rose with every point 
marked asNorth, and a machete for the needle. There is a brief account of this 
episode in AMCS ActivitiesNewsletter No. 12, p. 8 (1982), available for free 
download at .  Mark 
mintonmmin...@caver.net  On Nov 3, 2016 David Locklear wrote:  
-I did go in a deep pit further north in Puebla 
once, near the coordinates below   18°38'08.8"N 97°14'43.2"W 

Re: [Texascavers] Silvertip; 1974 video

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The list of cavers on the 1974 Kirkwood School Bus Trip to Silvertip in Montana 
also included Roy Jameson, NSS 14123. Roy is a geologist and made many 
contributions to the exploration of Silvertip.
Those group caver trips were low budget by today's standards and we had a great 
time. Adventure, original exploration and cave survey. There had only been one 
brief check out trip to Silvertip prior to 1974. The late Jim Chester of 
Montana was working on a book on Silvertip. Wonder what the status of that book 
is?
Preston Forsythe in KY  

On Monday, October 31, 2016 8:12 PM, PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
 

 Who was on the trip asked Logan?
Yes, Pedro, Blake's parrot and long time resident of 1307 1/2 Kirkwood. And 
Blake, of course, in the send off but not on the trip. Bus riders and 
explorers: Robert Hemperly, main driver, Freda Miller, chief cook and from 
Haigh and Asbury-she did wonders with cheese, flour and honey and w/o her we 
would have starved,  Thomas, master speleo-photographer especially with 
magnesium ribbon, Mike and Nancy, who put the trip together,  Pete, head 
mechanic, Peter, Cindy, Preston, and Bill Steele who came on board at Denver. 
And, in the 54 Chevy were Steve and Dino. Sorry if I left anyone out.
Preston on the farm in west KY








 


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 On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Logan McNatt via 
Texascavers<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:  Jean Crejca will give a 
presentation at the Nov 2nd UTG meeting about the 2015 survey of Silvertip.  To 
give you some historical perspective, watch this video about one of the early 
trips to the cave.  Not sure if you have to subscribe to Facebook to view it.
 
 The 12:30 minute super8 video of the 1974 Silvertip trip was taken by Thomas 
Moore. You can see other old videos and photos of cavers on his fb page
  t.h.moore
 
 "Adventures of the Green Bus" starts with the 1954 Dodge Power Wagon School 
Bus leaving 1307 1/2 Kirkwood Rd in Austin. The bus was owned by Kirkwood 
Kavers, then Preston & Shari Forsythe on their Kentucky farm, and since ca. 
1992 by Peter Sprouse. Someone who was on the trip, please identify everyone in 
the video.  The parrot is probably Pedro, owned by Blake Harrison.
 
 https://www.facebook.com/11627759773/videos/142451499152441/
 
 Logan McNatt    lmcn...@austin.rr.com
  

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Re: [Texascavers] Silvertip; 1974 video

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Who was on the trip asked Logan?
Yes, Pedro, Blake's parrot and long time resident of 1307 1/2 Kirkwood. And 
Blake, of course, in the send off but not on the trip. Bus riders and 
explorers: Robert Hemperly, main driver, Freda Miller, chief cook and from 
Haigh and Asbury-she did wonders with cheese, flour and honey and w/o her we 
would have starved,  Thomas, master speleo-photographer especially with 
magnesium ribbon, Mike and Nancy, who put the trip together,  Pete, head 
mechanic, Peter, Cindy, Preston, and Bill Steele who came on board at Denver. 
And, in the 54 Chevy were Steve and Dino. Sorry if I left anyone out.
Preston on the farm in west KY








 


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  On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Logan McNatt via 
Texascavers wrote:   Jean Crejca will give a 
presentation at the Nov 2nd UTG meeting about the 2015 survey of Silvertip.  To 
give you some historical perspective, watch this video about one of the early 
trips to the cave.  Not sure if you have to subscribe to Facebook to view it.
 
 The 12:30 minute super8 video of the 1974 Silvertip trip was taken by Thomas 
Moore. You can see other old videos and photos of cavers on his fb page
  t.h.moore
 
 "Adventures of the Green Bus" starts with the 1954 Dodge Power Wagon School 
Bus leaving 1307 1/2 Kirkwood Rd in Austin. The bus was owned by Kirkwood 
Kavers, then Preston & Shari Forsythe on their Kentucky farm, and since ca. 
1992 by Peter Sprouse. Someone who was on the trip, please identify everyone in 
the video.  The parrot is probably Pedro, owned by Blake Harrison.
 
 https://www.facebook.com/11627759773/videos/142451499152441/
 
 Logan McNatt    lmcn...@austin.rr.com
  
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Re: [Texascavers] UT Grotto Meeting - Aug 31

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Aubri, 
Please sent me a detailed email on how to connect with Periscope as this "Bob" 
presentation is not to be missed!
My  previous attempts to connect via Periscope have not been  successful. 
By the way continuing on this porcupine thread, many Texas cavers explored 
caves in the Bob Marshal Wilderness in the '70's and '80's and later. The Bob 
is one of the largest uninhabited and roadless areas in the lower 48. Folks who 
cave there have spend weeks at a time and one of the common critters wondering 
around camp is the Silvertip Porcupine. Common as  Armadillos at Enchanted Rock.
Thanks,
Preston Forsythe, KY
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  On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:02 PM, Aubri Jenson via 
Texascavers wrote:   
Greetings, cavers!
At the grotto meeting this week, Benjamin Schwartz will present on cave 
exploration in the Bob Marshall Wilderness, Montana! This includes Tears of the 
Turtle, the deepest known cave in the continental US at over 1,600 ft below 
ground surface. It is a challenging cave not only for its depth, but for cold 
temperatures, sucking mud, and a 22 mile hike to get to the entrance. In July, 
Ben was part of a team that camped at the bottom of Tears to continue 
survey...and it still goes!
Note: We will continue meeting in Burdine 116 for the Fall semester. (This was 
what UT assigned, possibly due to renovations in Painter Hall.) 
The presentation portion of the grotto meeting will be live streamed via 
Periscope https://www.periscope.tv/utgro tto at approximately 8:30pm CST (the 
actual time will be announced via Twitter @UTGrotto). ***

The meeting is at 7:45pm in Burdine 116. Follow this link to a map of where the 
building is located on the University of Texas campus: http://www.utexas.edu/ 
maps/main/buildings/bur.html

For information on Underground Texas Grotto activities, please see 
www.utgrotto.org

Before the meeting, take advantage of Sao Paulo www.saopaulos.net for happy 
hour specials. This is the best place to park and meet folks walking over to 
the meeting. After the meeting we continue with the decades long tradition to 
reconvene for burgers, beer, and tall tales of caving at Posse East! 
www.posse-east.com

See you there!
Cheers, Aubri JensonUT Grotto Vice-chair
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[Texascavers] Art Suggestions for Huntsville Caving Office

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Wonderful sketches that IMHO should be displayed in the long hallway of the new 
NSS office, along with other art, including maps.
Hope Charlie's sketches are attached.

Preston at Browder, KY

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Re: [Texascavers] Research finds porcupines are prominent in many south-central Texas caves

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Great story Fritz. 
One of the most scenic places we have been in TX is  the entrance to Santa 
Elena Canyon. That is right up there with the Guads, El Cap and Guadalupe Peak. 
These are great places to visit in the fall.
Preston at Browder, KY

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  On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Fritz Holt via 
Texascavers wrote:   My daughters and I made a 
raft trip from Lajitas thru Santa Elena Canyon in April, 1979. Not guided, we 
just rented a raft. We stayed at the fairly new Cavalry Post motel in Lajitas 
and while there experienced a somewhat severe hail storm which covered the 
ground. We spent the first night at the mouth of Santa Elena just past the 
rockslide on the Mexican side on a sandy beach area. Being swimmers, the girls 
would tie the raft rope to an ankle an swim pulling the raft in the stretches 
of deeper still water. The next day we navigated the canyon with a lengthy stop 
to explore Fern Canyon on the Mexican side. A somewhat wet climb to go into a 
couple of nice shelter caves on the left side of the canyon wall. Further 
towards the exit picnic area we saw high on the Mexican side Smugglers Cave, 
(Outlaw Cave or Cow Cave as we called it). On a previous canoe trip years 
earlier thru all of the canyons with buddy, Bill Breedlove, we climbed up to 
the cave and took pictures. My daughters and I did not make the climb. Back to 
a small part of the previous post below. On the way home north from Big Bend 
there had been a substantial rain storm and tarantulas were crossing the 
blacktop road in large numbers. Being ground dwellers the unaccustomed rain 
must have flushed them out. We captured a couple of them in small raisin boxes. 
This raft trip with Mandy and Jenny was one of the high points of all my 
outdoor adventures. 
Fritz F. Holt (nostalgia king)
fritz...@gmail.com

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> On Aug 25, 2016, at 10:43 PM, Mark Minton via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
>  I've seen porcupines in Texas caves as far back as the '80s. I also
> remember a couple of times that there were unusually large numbers of
> dead porcupines on the highways in central and west Texas. It was like
> they were involved in mass migrations and got caught in the crossfire.
> (I've similarly seen large numbers of migrating tarantulas, with lots
> smashed on the roads in Texas.)
> 
>  Interestingly, we also found a couple of porcupine carcasses very near
> the Last Bash entrance to J2 in Oaxaca, Mexico. That particular entrance
> is _way_ out in the boonies, so whatever the porcupines were doing
> there, it was unlikely to be related to human activity. Maybe they just
> like caves. :-)
> 
> Mark Minton
> mmin...@caver.net
> 
>> On Thu, August 25, 2016 9:15 pm, Marvin and Lisa via Texascavers wrote:
>> And I can say they have been common in Government Canyon caves for
>> years. However, just in the last couple of years have I seen increased
>> amounts of road-killed porcupines around Spring Branch.
>> 
>> Marvin Miller
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf
>> Of Jerryatkin via Texascavers
>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:01 PM
>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Research finds porcupines are prominent in
>> many south-central Texas caves
>> 
>> They're quite common (hence the Porcupine Grotto) in the western Edwards
>> Plateau caves.
>> 
>> Jerry Atkinson.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 6:54 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A couple live in Deep.
>>> 
>>> --Don
>>> 
 On Aug 25, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Jerryatkin via Texascavers
  wrote:
 
 http://www.theeagle.com/landandlivestockpost/agrilifetoday/research-f
 inds-porcupines-are-prominent-in-many-south-central-texas/article_7cf
 be577-b3dd-581d-9d44-e2b136b331aa.html
 
 Jerry Atkinson.
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Re: [Texascavers] Charlie

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Thanks David for finding and posting.
Preston in KY

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Texascavers wrote:   
I do not know if I ever met Charlie.    

There is a photo of him on page 31 in the link below, provided by the Karst 
Information Portal.

http://www.karstportal.org/FileStorage/Texas_Caver/1976-v21-n02.pdf
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Re: [Texascavers] cool NSS convention

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38 deg here north of Pinedale, WY, west of the Wind River Mountains and the 
Cirque of the Towers, on our way to convention. Snow flurries west of Dubois 
yesterday. Headed to Sinks Canyon this afternoon to see the insurgence and 
regurgence. Love these western trips.

Preston Forsythe, sometimes at Browder, KY
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  On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Bill Bentley - ca...@caver.net via 
Texascavers wrote:   As I bake in the 101 degree 
temps of West Texas. THanks for the reminder.


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone

 Original message 
From: Mixon Bill via Texascavers  
Date: 7/10/16 5:58 PM (GMT-06:00) 
To: Cavers Texas  
Subject: [Texascavers] cool NSS convention 

A reminder to Texas cavers attending the NSS convention in Ely, Nevada, who 
haven't read all the poop about the convention: The average nightly low 
temperature this time of year is 48°. Be prepared.
-- Mixon

Always forgive your enemies after they are hanged.

You may "reply" to the address this message
(unless it's a TexasCavers list post)
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Re: [Texascavers] Airman's River Video

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Justin and Galen-
Sweet short videos of a test-piece cave. If you can get throught the entrance 
you must be less than 175 lbs. I do remember damp modeling clay figurines 
cavers made, but I never saw a water crawl. Are you  sure you did not make that 
video in western KY?
Bill Russell once took me to the bitter end, a trip I will never forget.
Long live those two Bergsman (sp) AFB airmen cavers.
Preston in KY, soon to be in Ely.


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Re: [Texascavers] Rare salamander eggs finally hatch | Earth | EarthSky

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  On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, PRESTON FORSYTHE 
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Check out this cave bio story and video from Slovenia. I have only observed a 
similar story once in Lisanby Cave, KY. Surprised this was on 
today'searthsky.org 
Preston at Browder, KY
SEE YOU AT ELY
  http://earthsky.org/earth/rare-salamander-eggs-finally-hatch
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[Texascavers] Rare salamander eggs finally hatch | Earth | EarthSky

[PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers]

Check out this cave bio story and video from Slovenia. I have only observed a 
similar story once in Lisanby Cave, KY. Surprised this was on 
today'searthsky.org 
Preston at Browder, KY
SEE YOU AT ELY
  http://earthsky.org/earth/rare-salamander-eggs-finally-hatch
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[Texascavers] Fw: Victory for Endangered Golden-cheeked Warblers

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Some Texas Cavers may be interest as the home range of the Golden-cheeked 
Warbler is the Edwards Plateau and cave country.
The Audubon Club and the Nature Conservancy are great organizations to join and 
support. Both get real things done.

Preston 

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[Texascavers] NSS Library

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Over the weekend the NSS Library was moved to our new location in Huntsville, 
AL.  Plenty of room, lots of shelves, including shelves which easily open and 
close on tracks,  new carpet and  no leaky roof, plus the room is constructed 
to be fire resistant. This is the largest caving library in the world.
Preston Forsythe Browder, KY 


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Re: [Texascavers] Proyecto Espeleologico Sistema Huautla 2016 expedition report

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Bill,
That is an exciting list of expedition accomplishments. Looking forward to your 
presentations at Ely in July.
Preston Forsythe Browder, KY

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  On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Bill Steele via 
Texascavers wrote:   PESH 2016 Expedition 
accomplishments

• PESH brochures in Spanish worked well in 
  many ways (thanks to Whole Earth 
  Provision Company!)

• La Grieta Mexiguilla area fully explored, 
  mapped, and photgraphed

• La Grieta Camp 3 used and cave explored 
  north 1.5 km to northernmost point of 
  Sistema Huautla  

• Merican Tubes connected to Refresher in 
  La Grieta

• Hobbit Hole in La Grieta pushed to an end 
  150m in depth

• Six meters of depth added to Sistema 
  Huautla to bring it to 1560m (unofficial)

• 3.5 km in length added to Sistema Huautla 
  to make the length 75.5 km (47 miles)

• Two paleontological caves surveyed and 
  the first complete skull of a Pleistocene 
  sloth  (Megalonyx Jeffersonii) in Mexico 
  recovered by Ivan Alarcon with INAH, a 
  Mexican government agency

• Four UNAM graduate biology students 
  spent a week with on the expedition and 
  made many new insect collections in the caves. 

• Cueva Basura mapped

• Big Wind cave explored and mapped. 
  Three leads remain.  If connected in 2017
  will add around 24 meters in depth to
  Sistema Huautla

• Fourteen presentations given to area 
  school classes about PESH's work, to as 
  many as 800 students

• Precision GPS waypoints recorded for 
  Sistema Huautla entrances

• A digital picture frame with 243 photos 
  installed in San Agustin Zaragoza agencia 
  office 

• 25 school children taken caving

• 20 area school teachers taken caving

• Huautla resident and English teacher Alma 
  Rodriguez was very important to PESH as 
  chief diplomat and school presentation 
  translator

• Alma Rodriguez to form "Friends of 
  Speleologists" group in Huautla 

• Nita Tienzo exploration progressed and 
  looking very good. Has 1,000m+ of depth 
  potential

• Two pits in Plan Carlota valley explored and 
  mapped

• Had a Mazateco curandero ceremony 
  performed to get things right with the cave 
  spirits

• Took 23 strike and dip measurements 
  between San Andreas and Plan Carlota to 
  further map the cave strata

• Another expedition with excellent 
  photography

• Austin caver (formerly from Monterrey, 
  N.L., Mexico) Fernando Hernandez named 
  2016 expedition "Rookie of the Year"
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Re: [Texascavers] Devil's Sinkhole history

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Many KY cavers still love a Sara Corrie story.
See you at Ely.

Preston Forsythe,  Browder, KY


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  On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Mixon Bill via 
Texascavers wrote:   From Squire Lewis's journal 
of 1964 NSS convention:

> June 15, 1964, Monday. New Braunfels, Texas, Cypress Creek campground. Heavy 
> rain in a.m., glad for tent. At Imperial Motel 9 a.m., registered, found out 
> we should have been at Devil's Sinkhole in West Texas. Left, arrived 12:30 
> p.m., ran into Corrie mob in middle of wilderness, hooked up with same. Sara, 
> George, and Bruce Corrie, Ted Will, Forry, Andrea, Tom Smith. Doubled back 
> and ate in Rocksprings cafe, Lacey's—incredible scene, twenty-two of us 
> served family style, all we could eat, huge platters of chicken-fried steaks, 
> pork chops, fried chicken, etc. etc. Cost $2 each. Loafed on village square, 
> no hurry as there was a long line at the pit. San Angelo Times runs feature 
> article on the cavers, referring to us as resembling a "scene from Tobacco 
> Road." Lowered into the pit about 6 p.m., out at 7:30 in time for the bat 
> flight. The UT Grotto has lowered 203 cavers into the pit without a major 
> incident using a climbing rope rigged through a pulley to a car that they 
> drive back and forth. Our group got special permission to camp at sinkhole 
> from Mr. Witworth. Four rappelled in at midnight: Sara Corrie, Bill Kohler, 
> Bill Jasper, and Roger Craig.
> 

Try to get permission to rappel in now. -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] New Human Ancestor Found in South Africa

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Did any TX archy caver types know about this project 3-5 years ago and even 
better participate? 


Preston 

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From:"Diana Tomchick via Texascavers" 
Date:Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:37 AM
Subject:Re: [Texascavers] New Human Ancestor Found in South Africa

And here’s the link to the open access original scientific publication of the 
discovery in the journal eLife. There are several additional papers in the 
journal related to this one from the same research group, so explore to your 
heart’s content.

http://elifesciences.org/content/4/e09560

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> This is a follow up to a previous post about South African Cavers in the News
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Re: [Texascavers] Deep Cave Survey Report

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Pretty exciting day of Texas cave  survey. A nice project with a lot of cavers 
working together, thanks to Evelynn and Joe.


Preston in west KY

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From:Joe  Evelynn Mitchell via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Date:Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 9:06 AM
Subject:[Texascavers] Deep Cave Survey Report

Saturday, Aug 1 was the latest Deep Cave survey trip. With 19 cavers turning 
out from around the state, we were able to put 6 survey teams in the cave. 
Ellie Falgout led a team with Gary Donham and Wade McDaniel to finish off two 
leads in the Crystal Water and Junction Room areas. Bennett Lee led a team with 
Pam Campbell and Lindsay Smith to continue their previous survey off of 
Lillie’s Leisure which eventual led to a new, but difficult connection to the 
Bear Scratch Hall area. Their team had a nice long day in the cave, coming back 
to the cabin about 1am. Saj Zappitello led a team with Matt Zappitello, and Tom 
Rogers to work on one of several leads in the Rust Room. This lead down into a 
new area below that also connects to the route to Bear Scratch Hall. Marvin 
Miller led a team with Gerry Geletzke and Jake McLeod to work on the seemly 
endless maze in the Miller Time area. On this trip they surveyed back under the 
Forest of Columns Room and made a
 couple of connections up into it. Their survey continued further and 
eventually tied into the Lost World survey. Though they left the cave at the 
same time as most other teams, they did an amazing 124 m of survey finding many 
new leads. Don Arburn lead a team with Arron Wertheim, Vicki DeLeon and 
initially Mike Harris, although he elected to work on trail markers in the 
Forest of Columns area and eventually hooked up with Marvin’s team. Don’s team 
continued work below the Helictite Room work on some remaining leads and it 
looks like this extensive maze is starting to be wrapped up. Finally, my team 
included Galen Falgout and Jill Orr and we started by visiting the MCM Room to 
get photos, collect a mud sample, and check for remaining leads. After 
concluded there were none, we proceeded down to an area below the Helictite 
Room but back under the Forest of Columns to work on several lead there. Two of 
these connected to another survey while the other
 two eventually ended, completing this area.

All told, the teams had a great day surveying 269.2 total meters. After 
subtracting for overlapping shots and tie-ins, this brings the new length of 
the cave to 5518.3 m. A more detailed report on this on other recent survey 
trips will appear in the next issue of the Texas Caver.

Thanks,
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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: [SWR] [PLW Update] FW: Caving, hiking and cycling

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Thanks Diana -This event is only 60 miles away from our house and we did not 
know about it.


Preston at Browder, KY



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Subject:[Texascavers] Fwd: [SWR] [PLW Update] FW: Caving, hiking and cycling



From: Lynda  James Sánchez diamond...@pvtnetworks.net

Subject: [SWR] Fw: [PLW Update] FW: Caving, hiking and cycling

Date: June 25, 2015 at 9:45:01 AM CDT

To: SWR Cavers s...@caver.net

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http://www.glasgowdailytimes.com/news/caving-hiking-and-cycling/article_69f99c02-156b-11e5-b09a-070ef0c277b2.html

 

Glasgow (KY) Daily Times

Wednesday, June 17, 2015

 

Caving, hiking and cycling

BY GINA KINSLOW Glasgow Daily Times

 

ycling and caving enthusiasts will come together on Sunday when they take part 
in Mammothon — a triathlon involving a tour through Mammoth Cave, as well as a 
hike and then a bike ride through Mammoth Cave National Park.

This is the first time such an event has taken place at the national park. It 
is part of the observance of the Longest Day of Play, which occurs on the 
longest day of the year and is being hosted by the Friends of Mammoth Cave 
National Park, Forever Resorts/Mammoth Cave Hotel and the national park.

Vickie Carson, public information officer for the national park, said the event 
is actually a trial run for the national park’s 100th anniversary celebration 
in 2016.

“This year we thought we would do it on a smaller scale and see how it all 
worked out, and then plan for something a little bit more involved next year,” 
she said.

As far as national park officials know, Mammothon is a one-of-a-kind event, 
with no others like it ever being held, she said.

Mammothon will begin at 8:15 a.m. in the parking lot of Mammoth Cave Hotel.

From the parking lot, a park ranger will lead participants on a 2-mile cave 
walk.

“Once we come out of the cave, folks are on their own,” Carson said.

The second portion of the event involves a 2-mile hike along the River Styx 
Spring, Echo River Spring, Sinkhole trails and back to the hotel parking lot 
where they will retrieve their bikes and ride along the Mammoth Cave Railroad 
Bike and Hike Trail.

Mammothon is designed to showcase some of the aspects of the national park, and 
is not a triathlon in the true sense of the word, said Helen Siewers, executive 
director of the Friends of Mammoth Cave National Park.

Participants are urged to use their own judgement when deciding how much to 
exert themselves. People will be on their own during the hiking and biking 
portions of the event, and can choose how far they want to go, but that is not 
the case with the cave walk, she said.   

“Anyone who begins the cave hike will have to be able to finish the cave hike, 
because we are all going in and we’re all coming out again,” Siewers said.

The Mammothon is limited to 120 participants. As of Wednesday morning, 89 spots 
remained.

To register for the event online, go to www.event-brite.com. More information 
is available at www. facebook.com/MammothFriends, or by calling 270-758-2152.

Other events occurring on Sunday are: 5:30 a.m. – birding walk; 1 p.m. — Sand 
Cave Almanac; 3:45 p.m. — Heritage Walk, meeting at the visitor center; 7:30 
p.m. — campfire program at the amphitheater; and 9 p.m. — Western Kentucky 
University Astronomy Club will present program on the night sky in the visitor 
center’s bus loop.  

Cave tour fees apply; other events listed above are free.

 

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Re: [Texascavers] Scottsboro Mtn. closed

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Bet you have been here. We have once.


Preston 

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From:Bill Steele via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Date:Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 7:16 AM
Subject:[Texascavers] Scottsboro Mtn. closed

This is from Bill Steele, cwilliamste...@gmail.com


Texas cavers,


I have camped at the caver camp on Scottsboro Mountain above Scottsboro, 
Alabama like many of you. It's also known as Tater Knob. 


This is from TagNet:


1)  Scottsboro Mountain closed for camping indefinitely
 By: Andy Zellner  (Marietta, Georgia)
 andyzell...@gmail.com

I know many cavers have camped or stayed on Scottsboro Mountain (Melody 
Mountain to locals) before. It seems that our access there has finally come to 
an end. Not because of the actions of anyone in particular, it was just time.

A few days ago, a friend drove by the gate and noticed that the caver combo 
lock had gone missing along with most of the other locks. I sent an email to 
the Sheppard family, and learned that Mrs. Sheppard passed away a few weeks 
ago. She had five daughters who are now in their 50s-60s and all have different 
ideas of what to do with the
valuable property.

So at least for now, they have closed access to everyone. I do not forsee them 
opening it back up again, though cavers at least had always been good stewards 
there. They put up with our shenanigans for over 25 years, really. :)

So please pass the word, I'm afraid the end of an era has come in TAG. And 
don't do anything dumb like taking the gate off the hinges and driving up there 
anyway - we need to move on.

Thanks!

--Andy Zellner



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Re: [Texascavers] Cave-climbing catfish on BBC

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Yes, amazing. Those fish are hungry. Free solo, no belay.


Preston in outer Browder, KY

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Date:Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:13 PM
Subject:[Texascavers] Cave-climbing catfish on BBC

The tail of the amazing cave-climbing catfish as documented by Geoff Hoese, 
Aaron Addison and others featured on BBC. 


Amazing cave-climbing catfish filmed

 

 



 

 

 

 

 

Amazing cave-climbing catfish filmed

A catfish in Ecuador is seen climbing a cave wall, the first time such 
behaviour has been documented in this species

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[Texascavers] Bill Steele in Today's NYT

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Recap of last weekend's Annual Explorer's Club dinner where Bill received 
prestigious Certificate of Merit. 

Search.  nytimes.com/science

Article title Modern Explorer's Seek a Place in a GPS World.

Includes a few words by Bill plus a distinguished photo in a tux and blue tie. 
A very positive plus for caving. Way to go Bill Steele.


Preston at Browder, Ky

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Re: [Texascavers] Ezells Cave Preserve

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Great looking strong well built modern bat friendly cave gate. Well done. Wish 
we could have been there to help.


Preston Forsythe in Western KY

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Date:Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:35 AM
Subject:[Texascavers] Ezells Cave Preserve

The University Star is running a story on the front page of todays paper 
covering the new gate.  You may see the electronic version of the article here 

, http://star.txstate.edu/, if you wish.  The TCMA thanks all the sponsors and 
volunteers who made this project possible.

 

Ron Ralph, Manager, Ezells Cave Preserve


 

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[Texascavers] MACA Green River Ferry Accident

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Tues afternoon, 3/3/15, around 2 pm, a vehicle ran off the Mammoth Cave ferry 
and was swept downstream. Divers located the vehicle 50 ft. downsteam in 16 ft 
of water. Around 7 pm divers attached a cable from a wrecker and it was hauled 
to shore with two deceased adults. Unclear if accident happened while driving 
onto ferry or drove off, or slid off other end, maybe due to ice? Ferry 
operation was delayed this morning.


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Re: [Texascavers] MACA Green River Ferry Accident

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Car drove onto ferry and off the other end. Reason unknown.


Preston

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Subject:MACA Green River Ferry Accident

Tues afternoon, 3/3/15, around 2 pm, a vehicle ran off the Mammoth Cave ferry 
and was swept downstream. Divers located the vehicle 50 ft. downsteam in 16 ft 
of water. Around 7 pm divers attached a cable from a wrecker and it was hauled 
to shore with two deceased adults. Unclear if accident happened while driving 
onto ferry or drove off, or slid off other end, maybe due to ice? Ferry 
operation was delayed this morning.


Preston

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Re: [Texascavers] Volcano in Colima, Mexico

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Yes, neat short video. Recently I have been reading old climbing magazines from 
the 1980's a friend recently gave me. I was too poor to subscribe then. Off 
Belay, Summit and Climbing. One rag had pulled a summary from the NSS News 
saying caves were reported inside the crater rim of Popo. I think Popo has been 
in steady eruption since 1995 when we went down there to summit, but instead we 
climbed Itza as Popo was closed due to the smoking and minor eruptions. The 
following year we climbed Orizaba, 18,600 ft. asl.

Preston in Outer Browder, KY



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  A volcano in Colima, Mexico erupted on Wednesday. There is a cool video
of it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHNQB8-mvQw. There are
also longer versions if you search for volcan Colima on YouTube.

Mark Minton
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR] [Sandiagrotto] Underground bike park in Kentucky's Mega Cavern

[PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers]

Here in KY the Lou-val quarry bike trails are news to me. I'll check with some 
cavers who live near there. Sounds like adventure for some, just as the very 
popular slides for life are today, if one never had the opportunity to do a 
slide like erry Raines had set up on his place years ago. All in fun 



On Friday, January 23, 2015 12:56 AM, Stephen Fleming via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


Being an abandoned mine, no impacts at all and certainly nothing like the mine 
itself may have had. 

I'd say any potential for impacts would be about the same or less
  than the NSS had at the 2007 convention doing its photo salon and
  banquet in a limestone mine remade as a warehouse.

Stephen


On 01/22/2015 18:40, Linda Starr wrote:

What will the developers think of next?  More ways to make a buck off of 
remaking the environment.  Sure, it's cool, but what about the impacts on the 
earth?

Linda Starr




On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Lee H. Skinner skin...@thuntek.net wrote:

In a limestone mine: Phase 1 of 3 will have over 5 miles of bike trails.

http://grist.org/list/this-new-underground-bike-park-totally-rules/

Lee


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Re: [Texascavers] MIke Boon story

[PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers]

JM Boon was a real character and his book on free diving  sump after sump was 
either madness or cutting edge. RIP..By the way what was Mike's first 
namePreston in KY

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Re: [Texascavers] Preston Forsythe

[PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers]

Hi Barb, Hope all is well. we are in Augusta, GA, at my best caving buddy's 
from the 7th-10th grades. We started this together. He is now a poet and has 
not caved for decades. We will head south into FL on Fri. and our birding 
activity will increase. What did you have on your mind out there in 
Honeycreeper land?
Preston



On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 11:19 PM, Barb Coons (Capocy) via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


Preston,
Can you contact me off-list please?  Thanks!  
(Sorry to bother everyone else.)

Barb Coons
bec_kar...@juno.com





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Re: [Texascavers] Preston Forsythe

[PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers]

oops look like sent that to the world.sorry.Preston



On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:55 PM, PRESTON FORSYTHE 
pns_...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 


Hi Barb, Hope all is well. we are in Augusta, GA, at my best caving buddy's 
from the 7th-10th grades. We started this together. He is now a poet and has 
not caved for decades. We will head south into FL on Fri. and our birding 
activity will increase. What did you have on your mind out there in 
Honeycreeper land?
Preston



On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 11:19 PM, Barb Coons (Capocy) via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


Preston,
Can you contact me off-list please?  Thanks!  
(Sorry to bother everyone else.)

Barb Coons
bec_kar...@juno.com





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[Texascavers] Dec. 2014, NSS News

[Preston Forsythe via Texascavers]

By now everyone should have received their Dec. NSS News. The feature 
article is on the new US depth record set in the Bob Marshall Wilderness of 
nw Montana last summer. This may be old news to many but it was new to me. A 
superb effort by a new generation of hard core cavers. Did  you notice how 
many miles it is one way to the caving area? 21 miles. Did you notice the 
cave temperature? Just above freezing. Helmets off to these cavers who have 
built on what was started primarily by Austin cavers from 1973-1982. Looking 
forward to the Missouri convention and many presentations on Deep Caving in 
the Bob.


Preston in Browder, KY 


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Re: [Texascavers] AMCS news

[Preston Forsythe via Texascavers]

Thanks Bill Mixon and Thanks Gerald Moni..Preston at 
Browder, KY


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To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:49 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] AMCS news


The deadline for the next issue of the AMCS Activities Newsletter is
May 1, 2015. Articles are sought on all significant explorations or
other cave-related activities in Mexico. Articles about Central
America may also be considered. There is no limit to the size of
articles, but try to keep them below ten thousand words :-). Articles
should be accompanied by all available cave maps, and photos will be
printed in color. Shorter news items, which may include maps or
photos, for the Mexico News section are also needed, as are
excellent cover photos, which need not pertain to articles in the
issue. Complete older issues and tables of contents for the most
recent issues can be found at http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/cat.html.
Material should be sent to edi...@mexicancaves.org. People who expect
to spend much of the spring caving might try to get material on past
expeditions to the editor before their trips.

The Unión Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleológicas (UMAE) and Ruta
Náhuatl Expediciones announce the XII Mexican National Congress of
Speleology, which will be held in Zongolica, Veracruz, from January 30
to February 2, 2015. The English-language version of the announcement
and call for papers is attached to this message. Deadlines in the
announcement have passed; hopefully they are flexible. We have just
received the information today.

The Association for Mexican Cave Studies has been given the Mexican
Cave Survey data that Gerald Moni accumulated from about 1990–2005.
His database file, along with a few auxiliary files, has been put 
athttp://www.mexicancaves.org/library/MCS.html

. The coordinate locations have been removed from the web version, but
locations and data in the several thousand pages of paper files are
available from the AMCS for particular caves as needed. Contact 
a...@mexicancaves.org

.

The Texas Caver magazine has over the years contained much material
about caving in Mexico, including items from ten years before the
earliest AMCS publications. A catalog of selected Mexico items in the
newsletter has been put on the AMCS web site at 
http://www.mexicancaves.org/library/TCbiblio.html

. The page contains a link to PDF files of the magazine.

The AMCS is a Project of the National Speleological Society. -- Bill
Mixon, AMCS editor









Certainly the game is rigged: If you don't bet, you can't win.

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Re: [Texascavers] the good old days

[Preston Forsythe via Texascavers]

Incredible Texas caving stories from the mid-fifties This caving report 
by Bill Helmer is a must read.


Thanks to Bill Mixon for posting this.

Preston in western KY
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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:22 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] the good old days


It's really a lot of fun browsing through the old issues of the Texas 
Caver. A lot of garbage, but a lot of good material, too, and the 1973 
volume had 380 pages of _monthly_ issues. Here's a link to a PDF of a 
must-read article from August 1974 about caving in the middle fifties.  I 
laughed out loud a least once. Enjoy.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26580089/1974-v19-n08.pdf
 -- Mixon


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Re: [Texascavers] Gear related

[Preston Forsythe via Texascavers]

A Caver Purse, indeed. I bought a packet of 3 sizes of these work kit bags not 
long ago from Lowe's. Although not much of a neatness freak this may help 
organize my life as they look to be very handy. The zippers are industrial but 
muddy cave ready, not sure. However, as I said they look handy, for travel, 
anything..Preston


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  To: CaveTex 
  Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 8:00 PM
  Subject: [Texascavers] Gear related


  This is about a nylon sack to carry stuff in.

  Lowe's hardware store has a new product that they are calling a cinch bag.

  It looks like a practical thing to throw in your car for a road trip.

  It is a rugged nylon sack with a small zipper compartment on the outside to 
put your headlamp, and 2 open kangaroo pouches, one for a candy bar, and the 
other for  small LED flashlight.  There is a small pouch outside with Velcro 
lid to store a sandwich.  On the back is a zippered flat pouch for maps, 
photos, flat things.

  Inside is enough room for helmet and gloves, or instead something else like 
knee pads, or a sweater.  Top does not close but has a drawstring, that also 
serves as the shoulder straps.  

  Ideal use would be for a very short ridgewalking trip.

  Brand is AWP, and is in the rack with the nylon tool bags.

  It comes with webbing handles.

  You could almost call it a purse for cavers.

  It has a strap for car key-ring, or small carabiner.

  It could be modified for more rugged uses, but already has a grommet drain 
hole.


  It cost $ 19.40 plus tax

  See AWP HP Cinch Bag #0552604

  This product meets the unofficial LSA ( Locklear Seal of Approval )

  David Locklear
  NSS # 27639



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[Texascavers] Mammoth Cave Weekend Update for Roots in the Park, Nov. 7 and 8, 2014

[Preston Forsythe via Texascavers]

The focus of the weekend was the Lee Family and their contribution to Mammoth 
Cave. It was a pleasure talking with Mr. Dan Lee, 87 and members of his family. 
Coy Hansen, 93, was also in attendance. Coy is a brother of the very famous 
Pete Hansen. Friday evening one of the area's historians and genealogical 
experts, Norman Warnell, presented a program on the Lee Family. Not only was 
Dan Lee born in what became Mammoth Cave National Park, but he was a guide in 
the cave for many years. Mr. Lee was then a ranger at Shenandoah National Park. 
Next Mr. Lee was superintendant of Custer Battlefield National Monument and he 
ended his career in the park service as superintendant of Vicksburg National 
Military Park. Mr. Lee and his wife, Alice, then moved back to Cave City and 
volunteered eight years in the offices of MCNP.  

Park Ranger David Kem gave a program Saturday evening on the Lee Family. David, 
who has been at MCNP for 5 years, is the author of a new book The Kentucky Cave 
Wars.

Another new book is out, The Legacy of Archibald Miller, by Eileen Gonzales. 
Mr. Miller was the first manager of the cave. In 1808, Fleming Gatewood brought 
Archibald to Mammoth Cave to manage the mining and processing operations of 
the petre-dirt for the manufacture of gunpowder. Shari and I hope to 
participate in the restoration of the Archibald Miller Family Burial Plot at 
Holton Cemetery on the  northwest corner of Flint Ridge in the park.

A brief summary of other weekend events include:  A  four hour Salts Cave Trip 
led by Ranger Rick Olson. A three mile round trip hike to Holton Cemetery led 
by Ranger Johnny Meridith. And a three stop tour led by Ranger John Davis to 
the entrance of Long Cave. Next was a stop at the site of the Homelike Inn, 
birthplace of Dan Lee. This is close to the present day cave elevator. And 
last, Mammoth Cave Baptist Church Cemetery on Flint Ridge.

Next year, 2015, will be the 75th anniversary of Mammoth Cave National Park. It 
will also be the 200th anniversary of operation as a commercial cave. 

A longer Roots in the Park recap may be available soon. This annual event 
occurs the second weekend of November and is hosted by the Park Service, Greg 
Davis and Karen Phillips. There were around 50 in attendance. The next annual 
Mammoth Cave event is the Christmas Singing in the Cave the first Sunday of 
December.


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Re: [Texascavers] Bustamante ...

[PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers]

Ah, Precipicio, that was a favorite. Been several decades since we have been to 
the cave but we were in the valley a few years ago..Preston



On Sunday, November 9, 2014 2:19 PM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


I bet Precipicio is wide open for a visit. I wonder how many years it's been 
since anyone's been there? It's one of my favorite caves. 

Bill Steele
speleoste...@aol.com

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 8, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Espeleo Coahuila via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:


This is an apology for all the Texas caver.


In March on Spring convention, I was invite you to help me to explore and do 
the survey in Bustamante cave.


Aimee talked with me and decide to help for Thanks giving day. Past the time 
we not have a communications, and the chief of the Secretary of tourism in 
Nuevo León, they have a political interest and stop our project, since August 
we can't  continue our project.


We don't want to tell you nothing, because, we working to obtain a new 
permission, and try to finish our reports. But is time and we not have that 
permission.


Crash Kennedy ask me last week about the project and I told him the 
situation...he understand. But,  Then Oscar Berrones ask me and he don't 
understand the reason.


I know. I have a responsability with you and I'm shame for not to tell you in 
time, what happen with our project..


I was working with my partners.. and try to obtain a permission, without 
success.\


Jose Fernandez is our president of the ACEAC,  I can't to decide  the deal he 
made the project with.  I  have  to wait an answer from  him or from the new 
president, we have a elections in this month We have to wait.


If you want to go to Bustamante, you can do it only at the touristic part...   
But, if  you want to explore  at the end of the cave, you have to obtain a 
permission.


I'm so sorry. Please received my apology.


Mónica Ponce.


LCC. MÓNICA GRISSEL PONCE GONZÁLEZ
Coordinadora
de la Comisión Internacional de Técnicas y Materiales de la UIS
Instructor
Nacional Certificado de Espeleología por la FMAS
Directora de MP-Mex Caving 
Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología, A.C. (Fundadora)
Asociación Italiana Geográfica La Venta (Socia)
Centro de
Estudios Kársticos La Venta (Socia)
Grupo Espeleológico
Vaxakmen, A.C. (Socia)
Grupo Espeleológico
EspeleoZots en Chetumal (Asesora)
Grupo Pionero de Espeleología en Sonora  (Asesora)
Association for Mexican Cave Studies (Colaboradora)
Texas Speleological Association (Socia)
Unión Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleológicas (Socia)
  
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Re: [Texascavers] Climbing device museum

[PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers]

Progress is being made on the NSS Archive and Device and Misc. Caving Items 
Museum. Folks have volunteered for the positions. Believe will be part of the 
new library. Work should restart on the library this winter-early spring and 
the NSS will need volunteers. Shari and I plan to attend a lot as very 
satisfying. The NSS is in fund raising mode on this library project at this 
time, so if you want to see a caving museum properly displayed, and at the NSS 
Hdqtrs in Huntsville, and not in someone's basement as it has been for years, 
then suggest volunteer time and/or money.Preston in Browder, KY   



On Sunday, November 9, 2014 2:13 PM, Mark Minton via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


Unfortunately Gary Storrick took down his Vertical Devices web pages
some time ago. I got a message from him to that effect in 2010. Have
you been to it recently?
That said, many of the pages are still available from a web archive.
For ascenders, see
http://web.archive.org/web/20061029085016/http://storrick.cnchost.com/VerticalDevicesPage/AscenderDevices.shtml.
The specific page you referenced is at
http://web.archive.org/web/20080820193523/http://storrick.cnchost.com/VerticalDevicesPage/Ascender/LeverCamPages/T1LeverCam235.html,
although the photos don't work for me.

Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net

On Sat, November 8, 2014 7:33 pm, via Texascavers wrote:
 Pete:

 I decided that the best place for my historic pieces of equipment is with
 Garry Storrick. Until the NSS has an adequate museum, I think Gary is the
 best repository. I am sure that, ultimately, they will go to the society.

 Dwight

 This is his entry (along with images) of my old climbing cam: (I cannot
 seem to make his URL work this evening, although I have been there
 numerous times)

 Infernal Machine

 Ascender built by Dwight Deal

 http://storrick.cnc.net/VerticalDevicesPage/Ascender/LeverCamPages/T1LeverCam235.html

 The Infernal Machine is an important piece in the history of climbing cams
 that ultimately led to the Gibbs Ascender . The first significant step was
 when Robert Henshaw and David Morehouse developed the first
 widely-publicized type-a lever cam ascender in 1965 (the Iowa Cams), and
 simultaneously introduce a very awkward ropewalker system. Dwight Deal
 soon modified the design, but used his Infernal Machine in a more
 traditional Jumar-type climbing system. The Infernal Machine that Dwight
 gave me differs from his published design ( Baltimore Grotto News, VIII,
 7, pp 168-173 , reprinted in the 1965 Speleo Digest ) by having only two
 choices for the cam pivot, not three. His initial design had a hole closer
 to the cam face (which would give it a very large cam angle), but Dwight
 found that the ascender would slip down the main line when using that
 hole. On the other hand, using the distant hole (with its very small cam
 angle) provided so much gripping force that the Infernal Machine would
 jam. Dwight's 1965 experiments (on 9 mm. nylon) showed that the hole
 locations were quite critical: moving them as little as 1.5 mm. parallel
 to the cam face would change the performance noticeably. This would change
 the cam angle, and with a smooth cam, the cam angle is critical.

 Incidentally, SANDY R stamped on this ascender is Sandy Renstrom, later
 Dwight's wife.

 - Original Message -


 From: Lindsley, Pete caverp...@gmail.com
 To: Jerry jerryat...@aol.com
 Cc: Kunath, Carl carl.kun...@suddenlink.net, McNatt, Logan
 lmcn...@austin.rr.com, 2 - Dwight on COMCAST dirt...@comcast.net
 Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 12:37:26 PM
 Subject: Re: Tom Warden's early efforts to create a new ascending device :

 I had completely forgotten about this device. I don't recall ever seeing
 one, and I don't recall if this was ever published. But it's a gem when
 you look back on this from today's viewpoint.

 I recall making some cams just after Dwight made some based, I think on a
 PA design, and each iteration actually worked better than the previous
 version. These cams ultimately became the Gibbs design. Is there a caver
 museum for this old equipment? I have several old devices that we tried
 building back in the 60s.

 - Pete

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Re: [Texascavers] tcr video by Dorothy Mladenka

[Preston Forsythe via Texascavers]

Thanks Dorothy was the wonderful people oriented TCR video. We are not able to 
attend on a regular basis so good to see everyone. Keep up the good 
work..Preston in Muhlenberg County, KY, Home of Merle Travis and a very 
small handful of cavers.  

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  Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 10:20 PM
  Subject: [Texascavers] tcr video by Dorothy Mladenka


  Dorothy Mladenka provided this link to a video she took at TCR with her 
amazingly tiny video camera (see at end of video).
  The video is 6:37 long with no sound, but lots of good people shots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3pgt9PdqoU


Here's the link to her 2011 TCR video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At_gW4Y0RmA

Her email is dmlade...@juno.com

Logan McNatt
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Re: [Texascavers] Caves of Viet Nam

[Preston Forsythe via Texascavers]

Yes, read this in yesterday's online paper. Fascinating huge cave, but doubt I 
ever return to Vietnam.Preston in West KY
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  To: cavers texas 
  Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 7:25 AM
  Subject: [Texascavers] Caves of Viet Nam


  This morning’s New York Times has an article about the Viet Nam caves which 
are being commercialized.  I hope you can see this without being a subscriber.

   Sam Young

  
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/02/travel/deep-in-vietnam-exploring-a-colossal-cave.html?ref=travel


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Re: [Texascavers] The Briscoe Estate

[PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers]

Interesting post david...Preston



On Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:37 PM, David via Texascavers 
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Fritz mentioned in his last post, the Briscoe Estate.  Below is my personal 
story about that place.
By David Locklear
dlocklea...@gmail.com 
In the late 1980's and early 90's, I wasted numerous hours trying to initiate a 
relationship with the Briscoe's, over the course of about 7 years.
I wrote them several letters. One with an AM letterhead on it.  
I ridgewalked on several adjacent ranches, and hopped a fence.
I met with Mrs. Briscoe, and Mr. Briscoe's Secretary, and made a faithful 
effort to get an appointment with him prior to the big caving event in 1994.  I 
gave his secretary a small collage of info that I had collected on the cave to 
show him I was serious.
The ranch foreman told me he could not allow me on the ranch, but then he found 
me wandering around, and I told him I had permission to be on the ranch from a 
guy that owned the adjacent ranch, which was partly true.  I think my Spanish 
kept me from making him mad at me.
In 1999, I befriended a wealthy attorney in Houston who owned one of the 
adjacent properties.  His land was only about 20 acres.
I walked every square foot of it and found nothing.
In all those trips, I never saw anything that looked like a cave.
I mostly just wasted a lot of gas, and in hindsight I wish I had spent that 
time doing something more productive.
I never did get anywhere near the entrance of Indian Creek Cave.
I met at least 2 cavers in the late 90's who said they knew somebody that could 
get them in the cave had they wanted to go, but do not know if they were 
serious.
Supposedly there have been trips to the cave.
It was the #1 thing on my Bucket List for about 15 years. 
To the best of my knowledge, other cavers knew what I was up to and nobody said 
anything negative, and I had several cavers encouraging me to keep trying, 
especially in 1993.


I am not currently in good enough physical shape to go caving there, and do not 
see that changing anytime soon.
Last year, I contacted another wealthy attorney from Houston who had retired 
and moved to Uvalde.  I told him my story and asked him if he could pull some 
strings for me.  I never heard back from him on that subject.
I can tell you that on Indian Creek Road, about a mile past the locked ranch 
gate is a beautiful ranch house, and the stock tank near there with the 
windmill is or was a good place to cool off from the hot summer sun.
David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] Devil's Sinkhole history

[PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers]

very interesting post...plf



On Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:12 AM, David via Texascavers 
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It is worth noting that 324 years ago, the Spanish government stole the cave 
from an Indian tribe who owned it and those indians most likely stole it after 
conquering a tribe that owned it before them.  Although the Spanish owned it 
for only 131 years, they apparently never ventured anywhere near it.
One could allege the French claimed to have owned it for 3 years, but I am 
certain that would be a false statement.   And had you asked the Indian tribes 
in West Texas in 1689 what they thought, they would have replied, the French 
who ?
193 years ago, the Mexicans stole the cave from the Spanish, but they only 
owned it ( technically ) for 15 years.  I say technically because they held 
on to the cave until 1845, when the Texans claimed they gave it to the US 
government.  However, the Mexicans are believed to have never ventured into the 
area during the time of ownership, and the Indians just continued on ignoring 
them.
The Texans of the Republic of Texas never owned the cave.   Senator Abraham 
Lincoln stated that land ( upon which the cave sits ) was stolen from Mexico.
That is why nearly every major Mexican city has a street named in his honor.
The US government laid claim to Devil's Sinkhole in 1845 stealing it from 
Mexico ( not Texas ), but they still had 3 more years of war, before the 
treaties were signed.
The Indians still controlled the area as they had for hundreds, maybe thousands 
of years.
But that soon changed when the US Army was sent to slaughter them all.
At some point the US government sold the land most likely through the Homestead 
program.
And that is when some rancher claimed he discovered it.
David Locklear
P.S.  Feel free to correct me.
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Re: [Texascavers] a road-trip story

[Preston Forsythe via Texascavers]

Dave you write a really good story.

Preston...so far I only know one Preston in the tribe.

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  Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 1:11 PM
  Subject: [Texascavers] a road-trip story


  from David Locklear, dlocklea...@gmail.com

  Have any of you had the unpleasant experience of having to abort a caving 
trip ?

  I sort of had that experience, over the holiday weekend.


  Here is a road-trip story from this past Sunday.


  Background info:
  __

  There is a cave that I have been wanting to take my daughter to while she is 
still a kid.  She will
  be 10 years old in a month, and she no longer acts like a kid, but more like 
a spoiled pre-teen.  She has never been in
  a cave, except as a baby on a commercial tour once.  I felt my
  time window had closed for that opportunity and was very concerned about 
that. On Sunday, I had a 24 hour break in
  my schedule, and felt certain that this was my final chance, to do something 
about that.


  In the few moments prior to deciding to make the road-trip, it seemed 
feasible to at least drive in the general
  direction of the cave, and if time allowed, I would at least make an effort 
to meet with the landowner, to see what his status 
  was, such as whether he was still alive, or in good health, or even still 
owned the cave, or allowed people
  in the cave, etc. I knew the chances of going in the cave were nearly 
zero.But there were 2 or 3 other things in
  the area that I wanted to do with my kid, and with a stroke of good luck we 
might could get a photo opportunity
  at the cave entrance.


  A little personal info first, for those of you who do not know me.My 
daughter lives
  with her mother, about an hour south of Houston, near the town of Arcola.   I 
live walking distance to downtown Houston.  Her mother
  and I have had a bizarre relationship for going on 19 years, where I just try 
my best to tolerate her, and
  more recently, only in an effort to spend quality time with my
  kid.  I am only making the point that it is extremely difficult to travel 
with my kid's mother.

  So the 3 of us, got a much later start out of Arcola, than I wanted.
According to Google Maps, it is 200 miles to the cave, and 
  about a 3 1/2 hour drive, however, Google does not to take into account the 
heavy traffic of Harris County, especially on a holiday like
  Labor Day, nor the tropical rain storm,  nor that 
  the passengers have to stop every hour for some reason.


  It had been 16 years, since I had been to the cave, and had not even been in 
that county, since then. But I had been there many times in
  the late 80's and 90's, so I figured I could find the landowner's house 
blindfolded, and besides my fancy new smartphone, could zoom in right
  to where the cave was, within a few hundred feet.


  The Trip:
  _

  We arrived in the vicinity of the ranch about 2 hours before sundown, much 
later than I had wanted.  We pulled up to the spot along the 
  highway where my fuzzy memory told me the entrance to his ranch should have 
been. 

  Nothing looked familiar.  We could not get an internet signal from Sprint, so 
I could not look it up on my phone.

  I drove all around for what seemed like an hour, back and forth over a 2 mile 
stretch of highway.  We passed it at least once, but the focus of 
  my effort was unfortunately one mile too far north, and my fuzzy memory was 
completely wrong about 2 important details.

  All the landmarks in my fuzzy memory-bank, seemed missing, and there were 
lots of new development.

  My stubbornness or hard-headedness would not give up, until I realized it was 
futile ( We had an urgent need to get to our next 
  destination by dark, which was 45 minutes away.So I aborted the 
cave-related portion of our road-trip. It felt horrible to to that.

  Ironically, the map to the rancher's house was readily available back at my 
office.   ( The link below is a sketch of that from 1998 )


  By the point of surrender, I was carsick and the crew was totally fed up with 
the road-trip and demanded 3-star motel.

  I used to go to this cave on inexpensive day trips, but this one set me back 
over $ 200, which at the moment is outside of my travel budget.


  Unfortunately, I was too far from the ranch to note what new construction, or 
development has occurred in the vicinity of the cave.So that
  part of our trip was a big disappointment. We did manage to reach 2 of 
our other destinations. The only thing I think I accomplished on
  this trip, is they want to go back to Martin Dies Jr. State Park, for an 
over-nighter, and my daughter learned the fun of singing road-trip songs 
  like Country Roads, while driving down the scenic rural highway.


  Here are 3 photos, from the state park that we briefly visited.


  

Re: [Texascavers] FW: Caves of the El Malpais

[PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers]

Great stories from west Texas and central and southern NM. Keep 'em coming.

Preston in Muhl. Co., KY



On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 3:24 PM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


Lengthy but don't hit delete yet. While I was in the army at Red Canyon Range 
Camp near Carrizozo, NM for NIKE missile training in the Spring of 1956, I 
crawled into a couple of black lava caves and was rewarded with the view of a 
beautifully colored what I believed to be a good sized salamander. It was 
definitely NOT a beaded lizard. I assume there are no Gila Monsters in NM but 
might their be other poisonous lizards I'm central NM? What about it, Crash? 
The major east west highway between the range camp and Carrizozo to the east 
had the Malpais on the north side of the highway which came right up to the 
highway. Although in the army, it was a very good time in my young (21) life. 
While stationed here and in El Paso in early 1956, I had some great NM 
adventures. Besides touring Carlsbad Caverns for the second time (the first was 
in 1947 on a kid's YMCA bus tour), I went into The Crater Of Aden and fairly 
deep into Ft. Stanton Cave which was totally
 unrestricted at that time. In and near El Paso, I climbed over a good portion 
of The Franklin Mountains and all over the marvelous shelter caves and cliffs 
at Hueco Tanks which was also totally unrestricted. My greatest adventure 
during this part of my army stint was a very early 1956 two day trip into 
Mayfield Cave (Caverns of Sonora) with friend Jimmy Walker, Bob Hudson and 
Bob's brother in law, Ralph. We crossed the dreaded Ledge and went deep into 
the cave to view unbelievably beautiful formations. Jimmy and I saw no evidence 
of human intrusion in the far reaches of the cave visited. Some of my prized 
memories and possessions are the great photographs taken in the cave by Jimmy 
Walker. I haven't seen it but   friend Lyndon Tiu was at The Caverns Of Sonora 
saw Jimmy's picture of me looking up at a long soda straw. It hangs in the 
cave's office. I have canoed the Rio Grande from the bridge at Presidio to the 
one at Del Rio. All the canyons were an
 unforgettable adventure. Lifelong friend, Bill Breedlove, now of Wimberley, 
and I made this river journey in 1965, 66 and 67, before Amistad Dam was 
completed. On the final leg of the 1967 trip between the Devil's and Pecos 
Rivers , south of Comstock, we Discovered Goodenough Spring where it flowed 
into the Rio Grande. The spring was the most desolate but also the most 
beautiful spot in Texas, in my opinion although Capote Falls ranked a close 
second. Some highlights of these river trips were climbing up into the shelter 
caves in Fern Canyon, climbing into Outlaw Cave, both on the Mexican side of 
Santa Elena Canyon and possibly best of all, climbing into the large US shelter 
caves just up-river from The Pecos River. We viewed all the magnificent early 
American's wall paintings and saw the large stones with concave depressions 
where grain was ground. I wish I could relive it all again and not just in my 
memories. I just spoke with Breedlove and we are
 starting a Bucket List which will include some of the above items while we 
are still upright. Obviously, I don't bother with paragraphs and could use some 
help with punctuation and occasionally spelling. 
Fritz F. Holt
fritz...@gmail.com

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Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 2, 2014, at 7:08 AM, via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:


Received this from the SWR  remailer.
 
Some very cool NM lava tube caves that I have always wanted to visit.
 
Hmmm, a future trip?
 
 
Mark
texascav...@yahoo.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From:SWR [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Steve Peerman
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:08 AM
To: Mailing List for SWR
Subject: [SWR] Caves of the El Malpais
 
All,
My son sent me this reference to a New York Times article on El 
Malpais:
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/travel/into-a-lava-lined-underworld-near-albuquerque.html?smid=tw-nytimes_r=0
 
Steve Peerman
 
  Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things 
you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away 
from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. 
Discover.
attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this.
 
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Re: [Texascavers] related to caving in Cuba

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Maia gave one of the best talks all week at the Huntsville convention.

Preston in west K



On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:02 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
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I'm going to Cuba on this same trip in Dec.

Bill 

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Bill Steele 
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Irving, TX 75061
cell 214-770-4712
speleoste...@aol.com
cwilliamste...@gmail.com

On Aug 27, 2014, at 12:49 AM, David via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:


Cooper.   Hit delete button now.



The link below is an article about a college professor hoping to get
some speleo-interaction
going between US and Cuban cavers.

http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=105639

I am only posting this because it seems to be one of the more recent
news articles
that might be of interest.

David Locklear
dlocklea...@gmail.com


Ref:

Other August news articles related to caving:

http://www.thearabtribune.com/articles/2014/08/07/news/news4.txt

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/New-cave-open-to-experienced-adverturers-in-5709768.php

http://www.trevolta.com/travels/Cave-Exploration-in-the-Durmitor-Mountains-18426

Sidenote:Golindrinas has finally been explored:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/10477972/Cavers-explore-1200-foot-deep-sinkhole-in-Mexico.html
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Re: [Texascavers] Does anyone have meat in their freezer they'd like to donate to TCR...

[PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers]

Brisket anyone.

preston



On Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:14 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


If you have deer or hog meat in your freezer and would like to donate it to TCR 
then please contact me offline.

Also, if you'd like to help make sausages with said meat the week before TCR 
then also contact me :-)

Cheers,
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Re: [Texascavers] Last Sunday Swim of the season

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Wish we could be there.
Preston



On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:54 PM, via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


   We will have The last Sunday Swim of the season at Pete  Jocie's pond 
Sunday, August 24th, from 2:00 - 6:00 or so. For info, call Pete at 512-897-9235
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Re: [Texascavers] new on AMCS web site

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Bill this is a monumental achievement. Recently I mentioned Gruta de 
Balancanche, Yucatan. I searched the 3250 maps on the website and I do not 
see the Balancanche map I was looking for. It was by David McKenzie, pretty 
sure, and not only was it an excellent map, but one of the first ever, if 
not the first, to use blue to show water. This map was on the wall at 1307 
1/2 Kirkwood for years. Somewhere in my basement I have another copy.


Preston in Browder, KY

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Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 10:58 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] new on AMCS web site


Searchable PDF files of AMCS Activities Newsletters numbers 21-30, for 
1995-2007, have been added to the Association for Mexican Cave Studies 
web site. See http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/cat.html.


All of Activities Newsletters 11-30, except 29, are still available on 
paper for only $3 each, plus shipping; see 
http://www.mexicancaves.org/finance/order.html for ordering information.


This brings the number of pages of older AMCS magazines and bulletins 
free on the web to 5500. Links to the original Newsletter volumes 1-5, 
1965-1977, are at http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/oldNL.html, and links  to 
AMCS bulletins are at http://www.mexicancaves.org/bul/bulcat.html.


The web site also contains searchable PDFs of 1573 pages of other 
organizations' publications on Mexican cave biology. See 
http://www.mexicancaves.org/other/otherpubs.html .


So the total number of pages of PDF files at mexicancaves.org is over 
7000. Check it out.


The number of maps of Mexican caves at http://www.mexicancaves.org/ maps/ 
has reached 3250. -- Bill Mixon, AMCS editor


(Feel free to forward to other appropriate lists.)

I didn't do it. You can't prove it. Nobody saw it. The sheep are lying.

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[Texascavers] Balankanche Cave, Yucatan

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The Washington Post, June 27, '14, announced the death of archaeologist Dr. 
George E. Stuart., 79. He participated in most of the significant 
investigations of Mesoamerica archaeology sites, including the Mayan ruins of 
Coba, Dzibilchaltun and Balankanche Caves. He was the author of several books 
on the Maya. He was an energetic field worker, comfortable in excavations at 
remote sites. He worked for National Geographic for 38 years.

Preston in western KYWe have visited the above sites several times and 
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