Re: [Therion] Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?

[Bruce Mutton via Therion]

Not sure we have a word in NZ either - mud-mites or mud formation would
likely be the naturally adopted term?  Since using Therion I have from time
to time used the word clay-tree for lack of anything better.
Bruce

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On 2017-02-21 12:16 -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I'm making a small revision on the translations I did yesterday. I'm 
> not entirely satisfied with some of them.
> 
> What's a "clay-tree" point? I couldn't find out even searching Google.

I've never heard of this term before either. I recognise the formations from
the pics, but I have no idea what we call them in English. I'd be surprised
if it really is 'clay-tree'.

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Re: [Therion] Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?

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On 2017-02-21 12:16 -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I'm making a small revision on the translations I did yesterday. I'm not
> entirely satisfied with some of them.
> 
> What's a "clay-tree" point? I couldn't find out even searching Google.

I've never heard of this term before either. I recognise the
formations from the pics, but I have no idea what we call them in
English. I'd be surprised if it really is 'clay-tree'.

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Re: [Therion] Interface translation

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

Great Olly,


Thanks for your info.

I will take a look later.


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2017-02-21 18:38 GMT-03:00 Olly Betts via Therion :

> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 07:58:07PM +0100, Ladislav Blažek via Therion
> wrote:
> > check xtherion/lang subfolder. Same process as for map objects.
>
> There's also loch/locale/ for loch (which uses the standard PO format
> for translations).
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Re: [Therion] Interface translation

[Olly Betts via Therion]

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 07:58:07PM +0100, Ladislav Blažek via Therion wrote:
> check xtherion/lang subfolder. Same process as for map objects.

There's also loch/locale/ for loch (which uses the standard PO format
for translations).

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Re: [Therion] Declination handling imprecise?

[Olly Betts via Therion]

On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 09:24:42PM +, Olly Betts via Therion wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 10:20:54AM +0200, Benedikt Hallinger via Therion 
> wrote:
> > For the date-observation, indeed my conclusion came from the summary in the
> > log. Thank you for claryfying this. Good to hear, therion uses fractions
> > here, and 1/12 is perfectly good.
> 
> To be clear, therion calculates the fractional year taking into account the
> day of the month - it just doesn't assign quite equal lengths to every day of
> the year, but instead puts the start of each month 1/12 of a year apart, and
> then splits up each 1/12 into 28, 29, 30 or 31 equal pieces.  Really it
> should split the year into 365 or 366 equal pieces.

FYI, I submitted a patch to address this which Stacho has merged, so the
next release should calculate this using even sized days (leap years aside):

https://github.com/therion/therion/pull/52

> > However i have seen that it looks like the calculated declination is maybe
> > rounded to full degrees? Or is this just an display thing in aven viewer?
> 
> Aven currently only shows a whole number of degrees, which is unhelpful for
> this sort of thing.  It probably ought to show one decimal place.

The next release of Survex will show one decimal place.

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Re: [Therion] Interface translation

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

Yeah Ladislav,


I found it.


Thanks for your help,

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2017-02-21 15:58 GMT-03:00 Ladislav Blažek via Therion :

> Hi,
>
> check xtherion/lang subfolder. Same process as for map objects.
>
> Ladislav
>
> > 21. 2. 2017 v 16:24, Rodrigo Severo via Therion :
> >
> > After doing all translations available at the texts-xx.txt file as per
> Therion Book instructions I see that only the texts used on the actual maps
> are translated. But not xTherion's interface.
> >
> > Is there some way to also translate xTherion's interface?
> >
> >
> > Rodrigo
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Re: [Therion] Troubles with the 3D generation

[Philippe Vernant via Therion]

Hi Stacho,

Thanks for the tip, this will greatly help me to improve my 3D !!!

Therion rocks !

Best,
Phil


> On 21 Feb 2017, at 14:18 PM, Stacho Mudrak via Therion  
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> 
> Hi, this is a problem of 3D generation algorithm of therion...
> 
> If a wall is relatively far away from centreline, height and dimensions 
> interpolation algorithm "averages too much". To overcome this, you need to 
> play with dimensions data for stations (putting some arbitrary large numbers 
> there - see example) or using "point dimensions -value [up down]" in 2D plan 
> somewhere near wall that needs to be affected.
> 
> But these are not nice changes. We should modify 3D generation algorithm to 
> solve these situations correctly.
> 
> S.
> 
> On 15 February 2017 at 13:23, Philippe Vernant via Therion  > wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> Here is the .th and .th2 file from a survey of a large chamber. What I don’t 
> understand is why the line survey is outside below  the chamber. Any advice 
> on how to fix that ?
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: [Therion] Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

Great examples. Thanks!

One more doubt. The example Cawa Sorix sent seems to me as being the result
of some erosion process on the clay floor. The example sent by John Steves
and Benedikt Hallinger seems to be a result of some acumulative process
similar to stalagmites but made with clay.

Is that it? Both features receive this same name?


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2017-02-21 15:54 GMT-03:00 Benedikt Hallinger via Therion :

> yeah, http://www.cave.at/ex/fotos/26-52b7f1dd9501f.jpg wonderful examples!
>
> Am 2017-02-21 20:22, schrieb John Stevens via Therion:
>
>> Rodrigo Severo via Therion
>>  Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:51 PM
>>  List for Therion users
>>  Rodrigo Severo
>>  Re: [Therion] Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?
>>
>> Does anybody have a photo of a clay-tree, a Lehmbäumchen or a sapins
>> d'argile so I can have a better idea on how to call it in portuguese. I
>> don't think I have ever seen one ;)
>>
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>> 2017-02-21 14:09 GMT-03:00 Guy Demars via Therion :
>>
>> And called « sapins d’argile » in french.
>>>
>>> Guy
>>>
>>> Benedikt Hallinger via Therion
>>> mardi 21 février 2017 17:54
>>> List for Therion users
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>>> Re: [Therion]Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?
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>>> Clay trees are small treelike structures consisting of clay.
>>>
>>> Its called "Lehmbäumchen" in german.
>>>
>>> Am 2017-02-21 17:16, schrieb Rodrigo Severo via Therion:
>>>
>>> Hi,

>>>
>>>

>>> Im making a small revision on the translations I did yesterday. Im not

>>>
>>> entirely satisfied with some of them.

>>>
>>>

>>> Whats a "clay-tree" point? I couldnt find out even searching Google.

>>>
>>>

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Re: [Therion] Interface translation

[Ladislav Blažek via Therion]

Hi,

check xtherion/lang subfolder. Same process as for map objects.

Ladislav

> 21. 2. 2017 v 16:24, Rodrigo Severo via Therion :
> 
> After doing all translations available at the texts-xx.txt file as per 
> Therion Book instructions I see that only the texts used on the actual maps 
> are translated. But not xTherion's interface.
> 
> Is there some way to also translate xTherion's interface?
> 
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Re: [Therion] Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?

[Benedikt Hallinger via Therion]

yeah, http://www.cave.at/ex/fotos/26-52b7f1dd9501f.jpg wonderful examples!

Am 2017-02-21 20:22, schrieb John Stevens via Therion:

Rodrigo Severo via Therion
 Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:51 PM
 List for Therion users
 Rodrigo Severo
 Re: [Therion] Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?

Does anybody have a photo of a clay-tree, a Lehmbäumchen or a sapins 
d'argile so I can have a better idea on how to call it in portuguese. I 
don't think I have ever seen one ;)


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2017-02-21 14:09 GMT-03:00 Guy Demars via Therion :


And called « sapins d’argile » in french.

Guy

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Re: [Therion]Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?

Clay trees are small treelike structures consisting of clay.

Its called "Lehmbäumchen" in german.

Am 2017-02-21 17:16, schrieb Rodrigo Severo via Therion:


Hi,







Im making a small revision on the translations I did yesterday. Im not



entirely satisfied with some of them.







Whats a "clay-tree" point? I couldnt find out even searching Google.







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Re: [Therion] Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?

[John Stevens via Therion]

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Lehmb%C3%A4umchen&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi57sDi5qHSAhXFBcAKHZBUCcsQ_AUICSgC&biw=1554&bih=775&dpr=1.1#tbm=isch&q=Lehmb%C3%A4umchen+cave&imgrc=zPgIzedgxZ3nyM:


From: Rodrigo Severo via Therion 
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Cc: Rodrigo Severo 
Subject: Re: [Therion] Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?

Does anybody have a photo of a clay-tree, a Lehmbäumchen or a sapins d'argile 
so I can have a better idea on how to call it in portuguese. I don't think I 
have ever seen one ;) 




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2017-02-21 14:09 GMT-03:00 Guy Demars via Therion :

  And called « sapins d’argile » in french.





  Guy



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  Clay trees are small treelike structures consisting of clay.

  Its called "Lehmbäumchen" in german.



  Am 2017-02-21 17:16, schrieb Rodrigo Severo via Therion:

  > Hi,

  > 

  > Im making a small revision on the translations I did yesterday. Im not 

  > entirely satisfied with some of them.

  > 

  > Whats a "clay-tree" point? I couldnt find out even searching Google.

  > 

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Re: [Therion] Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?

[cawa.sorix--- via Therion]

A quick seach I found this :

http://ekladata.com/qJMJ74r1dbLoFyCrMPL-Q_O4gnQ.jpg

C.S.

Le 2017-02-21 18:51, Rodrigo Severo via Therion a écrit :

Does anybody have a photo of a clay-tree, a Lehmbäumchen or a sapins
d'argile so I can have a better idea on how to call it in portuguese.
I don't think I have ever seen one ;)

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2017-02-21 14:09 GMT-03:00 Guy Demars via Therion :


And called « sapins d’argile » in french.

Guy

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OBJET :Re: [Therion]Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?

Clay trees are small treelike structures consisting of clay.

Its called "Lehmbäumchen" in german.

Am 2017-02-21 17:16, schrieb Rodrigo Severo via Therion:


Hi,







Im making a small revision on the translations I did yesterday. Im

not


entirely satisfied with some of them.







Whats a "clay-tree" point? I couldnt find out even searching

Google.






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Re: [Therion] Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

Does anybody have a photo of a clay-tree, a Lehmbäumchen or a sapins
d'argile so I can have a better idea on how to call it in portuguese. I
don't think I have ever seen one ;)


Rodrigo


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2017-02-21 14:09 GMT-03:00 Guy Demars via Therion :

> And called « sapins d’argile » in french.
>
>
>
>
>
> Guy
>
>
>
> *De : *Benedikt Hallinger via Therion 
> *Envoyé le :*mardi 21 février 2017 17:54
> *À : *List for Therion users 
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> *Objet :*Re: [Therion]Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?
>
>
>
> Clay trees are small treelike structures consisting of clay.
>
> Its called "Lehmbäumchen" in german.
>
>
>
> Am 2017-02-21 17:16, schrieb Rodrigo Severo via Therion:
>
> > Hi,
>
> >
>
> > Im making a small revision on the translations I did yesterday. Im not
>
> > entirely satisfied with some of them.
>
> >
>
> > Whats a "clay-tree" point? I couldnt find out even searching Google.
>
> >
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Re: [Therion] Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?

[Guy Demars via Therion]

And called « sapins d’argile » in french.


Guy

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Clay trees are small treelike structures consisting of clay.
Its called "Lehmbäumchen" in german.

Am 2017-02-21 17:16, schrieb Rodrigo Severo via Therion:
> Hi,
>
> Im making a small revision on the translations I did yesterday. Im not 
> entirely satisfied with some of them.
>
> Whats a "clay-tree" point? I couldnt find out even searching Google.
>
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Re: [Therion] Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?

[Benedikt Hallinger via Therion]

Clay trees are small treelike structures consisting of clay.
Its called "Lehmbäumchen" in german.

Am 2017-02-21 17:16, schrieb Rodrigo Severo via Therion:

Hi,

Im making a small revision on the translations I did yesterday. Im not 
entirely satisfied with some of them.


Whats a "clay-tree" point? I couldnt find out even searching Google.

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[Therion] Translation doubt: what's a "clay-tree" point?

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

Hi,


I'm making a small revision on the translations I did yesterday. I'm not
entirely satisfied with some of them.

What's a "clay-tree" point? I couldn't find out even searching Google.


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[Therion] Interface translation

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

After doing all translations available at the texts-xx.txt file as per
Therion Book instructions I see that only the texts used on the actual maps
are translated. But not xTherion's interface.

Is there some way to also translate xTherion's interface?


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[Therion] Changing collation when using translated symbol names

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

Hi,


I just observed that even when presenting portuguese symbol names Therion
orders them using some non latin collation. I would bet ASCII.

I say so because, for example, *água* is the last point on the dropdown
list when it should be at the top, among the other symbol names that also
start with *A*.

Any suggestions on how to fix that?


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Re: [Therion] First use of locally compiled Therion: metapost error

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

2017-02-21 11:11 GMT-03:00 Stacho Mudrak via Therion :

> Hi,
>
> I have finished implementation today, but it was a long term problem. Now
> therion should compile without any additional therion.ini modifications. If
> it does not find required fonts, it will not use them.
>

Just tested. It worked perfectly.


Thanks again,

Rodrigo


>
> S.
>
> On 21 February 2017 at 15:04, Rodrigo Severo via Therion <
> therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
>
>> Hi Stacho,
>>
>> 2017-02-21 8:48 GMT-03:00 Stacho Mudrak via Therion :
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> we have implemented Olly's proposal of tex-fonts-optional. It should
>>> work now I believe, because all non standard TeX fonts used are now
>>> optional.
>>>
>>
>> I'm not sure I understood. Have you implemented Olly's proposal after
>> yesterday afternoon?
>>
>> I'm asking because I got Therion's code yesterday afternoon and that code
>> got me the 768 metapost error that I had to fix by manually inserting the
>> *text-fonts* line in /etc/therion.ini. And again, just copying the
>> therion.ini would not have solved the issue as it has no uncommented lines
>> in it.
>>
>> May be there should be a new text-fonts-optional line on source's
>> therion.ini file. Is that what's missing now?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rodrigo
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> S.
>>>
>>> On 21 February 2017 at 01:31, Rodrigo Severo via Therion <
>>> therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
>>>
 2017-02-20 21:00 GMT-03:00 Olly Betts :

> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 08:40:36PM -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion
> wrote:
> > To fix it I had to include the following line on */etc/therion.ini*
> >
> > tex-fonts raw cmr10 cmti10 cmbx10 cmss10 cmssi10
> >
> > despite Therion Book stating at page 80 that this is the default
> setting.
> >
> > Should this line be uncommented on the default *therion.ini* file?
>
> Do you have the Ubuntu package of therion installed too?
>

 Yes, I do.


> If so, my guess is that /etc/therion.ini is from that package.


 I bet it is.


> Currently
> the Debian (and hence Ubuntu) packages have a couple of patches in this
> area - see the discussion here for details:
>
> https://github.com/therion/therion/pull/31
>
> Assuming I'm right, the quickest fix for your situation is probably to
> copy
> therion.ini from the source tree to /etc.
>

 I just checked the diferences between *therion.ini* from the source
 tree and the one at */etc/therion.ini*. There are a few but all on
 lines that are commented, so they are irrelevant for this situation.

 The only diference on a non commented line is exactly the line I
 included in */etc/therion.ini* that is not present on the *therion.ini* 
 file
 available at the source and also wasn't at */etc/therion.ini* until I
 included it myself.

 So, no, coping the *therion.ini* available at the source to
 */etc/therion.ini* wouldn't fix my issue.

 My issue is exactly the one discussed at the link you sent.
 Unfortunatelly that issue isn't solved yet.

 AFAICT, right now new Therion installations from source on Linux won't
 work because of error 768.


 Regards,

 Rodrigo



>
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Re: [Therion] First compilation of Therion in Ubuntu 16.04

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2017-02-21 8:56 GMT-03:00 Stacho Mudrak via Therion :

> Hello,
>
> I think that using libvtk6-dev (instead of libvtk-dev) would work without
> modification of Makefile.
>

Just tested. Changing libvtk from version 5 to 6 solved the problem. May be
this should be mentioned somewhere in the installation documentation?


Thanks,

Rodrigo



>
> S.
>
> On 20 February 2017 at 22:29, Rodrigo Severo via Therion <
> therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
>
>> 2017-02-20 15:39 GMT-03:00 Rodrigo Severo :
>>
>>>
>>> I'm trying to compile Therion (sources from github) on Ubuntu 16.04 for
>>> the first time.
>>>
>>> After installing several missing libraries I'm getting the following
>>> error:
>>>
>>> make[1]: Entering directory '/home/rodrigo/devel/therion/loch'
>>> c++ -o ./loch -Wall ./lxR2P.o ./lxTR.o ./lxOGLFT.o ./lxSetup.o
>>> ./lxRender.o ./lxWX.o ./lxImgIO.o ./lxLRUD.o ./lxFile.o ./lxSTree.o
>>> ./lxData.o ./lxMath.o ./lxSView.o ./lxSScene.o ./lxGUI.o ./lxGLC.o
>>> ./lxOptDlg.o ./lxAboutDlg.o ./lxPres.o ./img.o -lwx_gtk2u_gl-3.0
>>> -L/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu -pthread   -lwx_gtk2u_xrc-3.0
>>> -lwx_gtk2u_html-3.0 -lwx_gtk2u_qa-3.0 -lwx_gtk2u_adv-3.0
>>> -lwx_gtk2u_core-3.0 -lwx_baseu_xml-3.0 -lwx_baseu_net-3.0 -lwx_baseu-3.0
>>>  -L/usr/lib/vtk-5.10 -lvtkHybrid -lvtkImaging -lvtkIO -lvtkGraphics
>>> -lvtkFiltering -lvtkCommon -lfreetype -lGLU -lGL -lpthread -lX11 -lz -s
>>> /usr/bin/ld: ./lxRender.o: undefined reference to symbol 'png_write_row@
>>> @PNG12_0'
>>> //lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0: error adding symbols: DSO missing
>>> from command line
>>> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
>>> Makefile:162: recipe for target 'loch' failed
>>> make[1]: *** [loch] Error 1
>>> make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/rodrigo/devel/therion/loch'
>>> Makefile:202: recipe for target 'loch/loch' failed
>>> make: *** [loch/loch] Error 2
>>>
>>>
>>> The problem here is that libpng12.0-dev is already installed.
>>>
>>> After some research I believe this might be a problem related to missing
>>> symbols related to bad ordering of library inclusion:
>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19901934/stran
>>> ge-linking-error-dso-missing-from-command-line
>>>
>>> How can I fix this?
>>>
>>
>> Attached is a patch of the changes I made on loch/Makefile to fix the
>> above error. I'm really not sure if this is the proper fix but "it work's".
>>
>> Please consider it for inclusion on Therion source.
>>
>> If it's better that I send a pull request, let me know.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rodrigo
>>
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Re: [Therion] Clino question

[Stacho Mudrak via Therion]

Hello,

I am sorry, but when I have tried, I was not able to reproduce your
problem. Could you please post some small sample, where this behavior
occurs?

Thanks, S.

On 15 February 2017 at 11:09, Torsten Schnitter via Therion <
therion@speleo.sk> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I get a strange problem with survey data and clino numbers.
> I  can't figure out the error and therefore need any help or advice.
>
> I have to stations with this data:
>   survey line_25
> centreline -id "line_25"
>   date 2014.09.23
>   cs lat-long
>   walls on
>   units compass degree
>   data normal from   to left right up   down tape compass
> backcompass clino backclino
>   
>   IMO113 IMO114  0.0  0.0   0.0  0.0 58.7 132
> 309   0.5  -2.0
>   
> endcentreline
>   endsurvey
>
> The output is shown in attached picture "Clino-Problem.jpg" which is
> elevation view of course.
>
> The problem is that this survey shot (grey line) is going much to high on
> the right side. The difference in height from left point to right point
> should be less than 1m (squares in background of image are 1m).
> I checked this with: sin(1.25°) x 58,7m = 1,28m. So the difference in
> height should be 1,28m.
> (The calculated average of clino should be 1,25°, shouldn't it!?)
> But the picture shows a difference of close to 5m related to the squares.
>
> To show this strange problem more easy I changed the clino and backclino
> numbers to 0 and expected a horizontal shot:
>   survey line_25
> centreline -id "line_25"
>   date 2014.09.23
>   cs lat-long
>   walls on
>   units compass degree
>   data normal from   to left right up   down tape compass
> backcompass clino backclino
>   
>   IMO113 IMO114  0.0  0.0   0.0  0.0 58.7 132
> 309   0.0  0.0
>   
> endcentreline
>   endsurvey
>
> The output is shown in attached picture "Clino-Zero.jpg" and as you can
> see the shot is not horizontal. The difference in height is around 4m. But:
> sin(0°) x 58,7m = 0m. So the difference in height should be zero.
>
> So what I'm missing or doing wrong?
>
> Thanks for you help,
> Torsten
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Re: [Therion] First use of locally compiled Therion: metapost error

[Stacho Mudrak via Therion]

Hi,

I have finished implementation today, but it was a long term problem. Now
therion should compile without any additional therion.ini modifications. If
it does not find required fonts, it will not use them.

S.

On 21 February 2017 at 15:04, Rodrigo Severo via Therion 
wrote:

> Hi Stacho,
>
> 2017-02-21 8:48 GMT-03:00 Stacho Mudrak via Therion :
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> we have implemented Olly's proposal of tex-fonts-optional. It should work
>> now I believe, because all non standard TeX fonts used are now optional.
>>
>
> I'm not sure I understood. Have you implemented Olly's proposal after
> yesterday afternoon?
>
> I'm asking because I got Therion's code yesterday afternoon and that code
> got me the 768 metapost error that I had to fix by manually inserting the
> *text-fonts* line in /etc/therion.ini. And again, just copying the
> therion.ini would not have solved the issue as it has no uncommented lines
> in it.
>
> May be there should be a new text-fonts-optional line on source's
> therion.ini file. Is that what's missing now?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rodrigo
>
>
>
>>
>> S.
>>
>> On 21 February 2017 at 01:31, Rodrigo Severo via Therion <
>> therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
>>
>>> 2017-02-20 21:00 GMT-03:00 Olly Betts :
>>>
 On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 08:40:36PM -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion
 wrote:
 > To fix it I had to include the following line on */etc/therion.ini*
 >
 > tex-fonts raw cmr10 cmti10 cmbx10 cmss10 cmssi10
 >
 > despite Therion Book stating at page 80 that this is the default
 setting.
 >
 > Should this line be uncommented on the default *therion.ini* file?

 Do you have the Ubuntu package of therion installed too?

>>>
>>> Yes, I do.
>>>
>>>
 If so, my guess is that /etc/therion.ini is from that package.
>>>
>>>
>>> I bet it is.
>>>
>>>
 Currently
 the Debian (and hence Ubuntu) packages have a couple of patches in this
 area - see the discussion here for details:

 https://github.com/therion/therion/pull/31

 Assuming I'm right, the quickest fix for your situation is probably to
 copy
 therion.ini from the source tree to /etc.

>>>
>>> I just checked the diferences between *therion.ini* from the source
>>> tree and the one at */etc/therion.ini*. There are a few but all on
>>> lines that are commented, so they are irrelevant for this situation.
>>>
>>> The only diference on a non commented line is exactly the line I
>>> included in */etc/therion.ini* that is not present on the *therion.ini* file
>>> available at the source and also wasn't at */etc/therion.ini* until I
>>> included it myself.
>>>
>>> So, no, coping the *therion.ini* available at the source to
>>> */etc/therion.ini* wouldn't fix my issue.
>>>
>>> My issue is exactly the one discussed at the link you sent.
>>> Unfortunatelly that issue isn't solved yet.
>>>
>>> AFAICT, right now new Therion installations from source on Linux won't
>>> work because of error 768.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Rodrigo
>>>
>>>
>>>

 Cheers,
 Olly

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Re: [Therion] First use of locally compiled Therion: metapost error

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

Hi Stacho,

2017-02-21 8:48 GMT-03:00 Stacho Mudrak via Therion :

> Hello,
>
> we have implemented Olly's proposal of tex-fonts-optional. It should work
> now I believe, because all non standard TeX fonts used are now optional.
>

I'm not sure I understood. Have you implemented Olly's proposal after
yesterday afternoon?

I'm asking because I got Therion's code yesterday afternoon and that code
got me the 768 metapost error that I had to fix by manually inserting the
*text-fonts* line in /etc/therion.ini. And again, just copying the
therion.ini would not have solved the issue as it has no uncommented lines
in it.

May be there should be a new text-fonts-optional line on source's
therion.ini file. Is that what's missing now?


Regards,

Rodrigo



>
> S.
>
> On 21 February 2017 at 01:31, Rodrigo Severo via Therion <
> therion@speleo.sk> wrote:
>
>> 2017-02-20 21:00 GMT-03:00 Olly Betts :
>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 08:40:36PM -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion
>>> wrote:
>>> > To fix it I had to include the following line on */etc/therion.ini*
>>> >
>>> > tex-fonts raw cmr10 cmti10 cmbx10 cmss10 cmssi10
>>> >
>>> > despite Therion Book stating at page 80 that this is the default
>>> setting.
>>> >
>>> > Should this line be uncommented on the default *therion.ini* file?
>>>
>>> Do you have the Ubuntu package of therion installed too?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I do.
>>
>>
>>> If so, my guess is that /etc/therion.ini is from that package.
>>
>>
>> I bet it is.
>>
>>
>>> Currently
>>> the Debian (and hence Ubuntu) packages have a couple of patches in this
>>> area - see the discussion here for details:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/therion/therion/pull/31
>>>
>>> Assuming I'm right, the quickest fix for your situation is probably to
>>> copy
>>> therion.ini from the source tree to /etc.
>>>
>>
>> I just checked the diferences between *therion.ini* from the source tree
>> and the one at */etc/therion.ini*. There are a few but all on lines that
>> are commented, so they are irrelevant for this situation.
>>
>> The only diference on a non commented line is exactly the line I included
>> in */etc/therion.ini* that is not present on the *therion.ini* file
>> available at the source and also wasn't at */etc/therion.ini* until I
>> included it myself.
>>
>> So, no, coping the *therion.ini* available at the source to
>> */etc/therion.ini* wouldn't fix my issue.
>>
>> My issue is exactly the one discussed at the link you sent.
>> Unfortunatelly that issue isn't solved yet.
>>
>> AFAICT, right now new Therion installations from source on Linux won't
>> work because of error 768.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rodrigo
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Olly
>>>
>>
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Re: [Therion] Troubles with the 3D generation

[Stacho Mudrak via Therion]

Hi, this is a problem of 3D generation algorithm of therion...

If a wall is relatively far away from centreline, height and dimensions
interpolation algorithm "averages too much". To overcome this, you need to
play with dimensions data for stations (putting some arbitrary large
numbers there - see example) or using "point dimensions -value [up down]"
in 2D plan somewhere near wall that needs to be affected.

But these are not nice changes. We should modify 3D generation algorithm to
solve these situations correctly.

S.

On 15 February 2017 at 13:23, Philippe Vernant via Therion <
therion@speleo.sk> wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> Here is the .th and .th2 file from a survey of a large chamber. What I
> don’t understand is why the line survey is outside below  the chamber. Any
> advice on how to fix that ?
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
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# 2016.06.05 created by TopoDroid v 3.1.1

survey test -title "Test"

  centerline
date 2016.06.04 
# declination 0.00 degrees
units length meters
units compass clino degrees
walls off


data normal from to length compass clino
extend right
0 - 6.92 140.9 0.2
0 - 9.02 171.8 7.1
extend left
0 - 4.31 203.5 -8.3
0 - 1.56 235.6 -16.0
extend right
0 - 4.36 95.7 -26.4
0 - 2.05 69.3 -25.9
0 - 5.80 110.8 -49.7
0 - 7.22 141.0 -55.7
extend left
0 - 9.17 187.4 -53.3
0 - 8.18 207.7 -68.7
extend right
0 - 13.11 115.4 -73.3
0 - 13.17 105.8 -73.8
0 1 17.30 175.1 -82.5
extend left
1 - 2.97 237.9 25.6
1 - 4.55 264.0 28.8
1 - 5.72 305.7 29.4
1 - 6.91 333.9 25.4
extend right
1 - 7.54 1.5 21.9
1 - 15.68 20.1 10.9
1 - 9.78 40.3 12.6
1 - 8.39 63.4 15.8
1 - 4.71 92.0 25.0
1 - 3.63 126.3 28.5
1 - 3.19 155.8 31.6
1 - 3.50 122.1 61.1
1 - 9.40 137.3 -17.1
1 - 19.01 130.0 -20.6
1 - 45.18 120.3 -17.8
1 - 21.47 121.2 -25.1
1 - 78.86 103.4 -24.9
1 - 81.04 90.7 -21.6
1 - 52.54 77.3 -20.9
1 - 44.48 74.6 -17.6
1 - 36.75 68.4 -15.6
1 - 75.90 62.5 -25.0
1 2 15.99 16.9 -24.2
extend left
2 - 17.85 297.6 7.5
2 - 14.74 295.6 26.7
2 - 14.43 289.5 50.6
2 - 10.28 306.8 73.0
2 - 11.29 333.0 52.6
2 - 19.53 329.2 21.9
2 - 25.92 316.8 8.8
2 - 34.97 339.0 5.9
extend right
2 - 22.31 5.0 14.0
2 - 13.19 12.6 34.8
2 - 20.65 21.6 3.5
2 - 32.13 21.0 -11.2
2 - 33.65 39.2 -17.2
2 - 31.03 45.7 -11.6
2 - 18.75 56.1 3.4
2 - 44.98 121.9 -10.4
2 - 29.90 119.2 -0.9
2 - 18.10 117.7 12.7
2 - 13.22 120.8 26.9
2 - 22.54 139.3 15.1
2 3 10.65 81.6 -31.5
extend left
3 - 14.19 357.6 -17.7
extend right
3 - 17.80 29.2 -28.7
3 - 4.76 41.9 -51.3
3 - 10.62 40.8 74.4
3 - 11.06 84.1 50.8
3 - 16.22 62.3 8.9
3 - 37.03 51.7 -11.6
3 - 29.60 43.3 -21.2
3 - 26.04 65.0 -27.7
3 - 66.50 81.8 -21.4
3 - 63.56 96.0 -18.7
3 - 64.02 96.3 -23.5
3 - 64.57 115.3 -9.6
3 - 31.38 116.0 -3.9
3 - 20.35 113.4 10.0
3 - 23.07 86.8 -33.0
3 4 23.06 76.1 -33.0
4 - 29.87 14.5 16.3
4 - 15.69 19.9 40.0
4 - 13.12 33.4 57.2
4 - 12.93 84.7 69.4
4 - 16.21 140.9 50.9
4 - 23.76 140.8 22.8
4 - 31.61 136.8 13.8
4 - 52.82 136.3 3.8
4 - 55.46 135.5 -6.2
4 - 0.98 94.5 -52.3
4 - 43.57 170.6 13.1
4 5 5.76 96.8 -16.4
5 - 26.15 23.1 4.9
5 - 18.76 27.2 17.7
5 - 13.19 46.5 35.5
5 - 12.49 86.5 42.9
5 - 14.14 77.7 18.7
5 - 19.02 74.2 3.2
5 - 26.41 54.3 -15.0
5 - 26.60 56.7 -14.1
5 - 29.97 95.5 -12.0
5 - 35.16 99.8 -10.1
5 - 37.14 97.5 -5.2
5 - 40.86 100.3 -4.8
5 - 42.24 101.7 0.5
5 - 41.12 101.5 5.6
5 - 43.58 103.4 -17.6
5 - 37.99 120.6 -13.6
5 - 43.51 123.4 3.6
5 - 44.54 127.7 9.9
5 - 17.77 107.1 -28.9
5 - 0.61 107.0 -28.8
5 6 17.78 88.7 -28.9
6 - 13.69 101.3 -13.8
6 - 14.00 44.6 20.3
6 - 16.79 59.7 19.1
6 - 22.11 68.0 -5.2
6 - 22.96 80.3 -13.5
6 - 20.40 86.6 -20.0
6 - 24.77 95.6 -7.3
6 - 25.54 105.4 6.7
6 - 29.25 112.8 32.7
6 - 26.65 147.0 39.8
6 - 34.44 162.0 32.0
6 - 45.91 168.0 23.1
6 - 51.12 167.3 13.8
6 - 47.10 161.6 0.4
6 - 34.91 143.7 -1.3
6 7 6.78 102.1 -21.2
6 8 21.54 178.0 0.2
extend left
8 - 18.57 264.6 73.8
8 - 20.67 218.2 58.2
8 - 25.39 191.3 40.4
8 - 2.29 287.7 -34.9
8 - 4.04 277.2 1.8
8 - 7.47 304.2 4.9
extend right
8 - 32.31 163.9 19.2
8 - 23.68 135.5 12.5
8 - 21.24 115.0 12.1
8 - 28.26 148.6 18.9
8 9 2.76 141.4 16.4
9 10 13.73 97.8 -11.4
10 - 32.23 9.1 3.1
10 - 10.60 20.8 3.9
10 - 5.93 47.9 6.4
10 - 5.90 74.7 11.3
10 - 5.47 105.6 15.9
10 - 7.73 138.9 11.3
10 - 9.60 158.4 10.6
10 - 18.34 177.6 13.4
extend lef

Re: [Therion] First compilation of Therion in Ubuntu 16.04

[Stacho Mudrak via Therion]

Hello,

I think that using libvtk6-dev (instead of libvtk-dev) would work without
modification of Makefile.

S.

On 20 February 2017 at 22:29, Rodrigo Severo via Therion 
wrote:

> 2017-02-20 15:39 GMT-03:00 Rodrigo Severo :
>
>>
>> I'm trying to compile Therion (sources from github) on Ubuntu 16.04 for
>> the first time.
>>
>> After installing several missing libraries I'm getting the following
>> error:
>>
>> make[1]: Entering directory '/home/rodrigo/devel/therion/loch'
>> c++ -o ./loch -Wall ./lxR2P.o ./lxTR.o ./lxOGLFT.o ./lxSetup.o
>> ./lxRender.o ./lxWX.o ./lxImgIO.o ./lxLRUD.o ./lxFile.o ./lxSTree.o
>> ./lxData.o ./lxMath.o ./lxSView.o ./lxSScene.o ./lxGUI.o ./lxGLC.o
>> ./lxOptDlg.o ./lxAboutDlg.o ./lxPres.o ./img.o -lwx_gtk2u_gl-3.0
>> -L/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu -pthread   -lwx_gtk2u_xrc-3.0
>> -lwx_gtk2u_html-3.0 -lwx_gtk2u_qa-3.0 -lwx_gtk2u_adv-3.0
>> -lwx_gtk2u_core-3.0 -lwx_baseu_xml-3.0 -lwx_baseu_net-3.0 -lwx_baseu-3.0
>>  -L/usr/lib/vtk-5.10 -lvtkHybrid -lvtkImaging -lvtkIO -lvtkGraphics
>> -lvtkFiltering -lvtkCommon -lfreetype -lGLU -lGL -lpthread -lX11 -lz -s
>> /usr/bin/ld: ./lxRender.o: undefined reference to symbol 'png_write_row@
>> @PNG12_0'
>> //lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0: error adding symbols: DSO missing
>> from command line
>> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
>> Makefile:162: recipe for target 'loch' failed
>> make[1]: *** [loch] Error 1
>> make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/rodrigo/devel/therion/loch'
>> Makefile:202: recipe for target 'loch/loch' failed
>> make: *** [loch/loch] Error 2
>>
>>
>> The problem here is that libpng12.0-dev is already installed.
>>
>> After some research I believe this might be a problem related to missing
>> symbols related to bad ordering of library inclusion: http://stackoverflo
>> w.com/questions/19901934/strange-linking-error-dso-
>> missing-from-command-line
>>
>> How can I fix this?
>>
>
> Attached is a patch of the changes I made on loch/Makefile to fix the
> above error. I'm really not sure if this is the proper fix but "it work's".
>
> Please consider it for inclusion on Therion source.
>
> If it's better that I send a pull request, let me know.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rodrigo
>
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Re: [Therion] First use of locally compiled Therion: metapost error

[Stacho Mudrak via Therion]

Hello,

we have implemented Olly's proposal of tex-fonts-optional. It should work
now I believe, because all non standard TeX fonts used are now optional.

S.

On 21 February 2017 at 01:31, Rodrigo Severo via Therion 
wrote:

> 2017-02-20 21:00 GMT-03:00 Olly Betts :
>
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 08:40:36PM -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion
>> wrote:
>> > To fix it I had to include the following line on */etc/therion.ini*
>> >
>> > tex-fonts raw cmr10 cmti10 cmbx10 cmss10 cmssi10
>> >
>> > despite Therion Book stating at page 80 that this is the default
>> setting.
>> >
>> > Should this line be uncommented on the default *therion.ini* file?
>>
>> Do you have the Ubuntu package of therion installed too?
>>
>
> Yes, I do.
>
>
>> If so, my guess is that /etc/therion.ini is from that package.
>
>
> I bet it is.
>
>
>> Currently
>> the Debian (and hence Ubuntu) packages have a couple of patches in this
>> area - see the discussion here for details:
>>
>> https://github.com/therion/therion/pull/31
>>
>> Assuming I'm right, the quickest fix for your situation is probably to
>> copy
>> therion.ini from the source tree to /etc.
>>
>
> I just checked the diferences between *therion.ini* from the source tree
> and the one at */etc/therion.ini*. There are a few but all on lines that
> are commented, so they are irrelevant for this situation.
>
> The only diference on a non commented line is exactly the line I included
> in */etc/therion.ini* that is not present on the *therion.ini* file
> available at the source and also wasn't at */etc/therion.ini* until I
> included it myself.
>
> So, no, coping the *therion.ini* available at the source to
> */etc/therion.ini* wouldn't fix my issue.
>
> My issue is exactly the one discussed at the link you sent. Unfortunatelly
> that issue isn't solved yet.
>
> AFAICT, right now new Therion installations from source on Linux won't
> work because of error 768.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rodrigo
>
>
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Olly
>>
>
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