date:20180509

Marcio

I suppose why I forgot that part of your Question is "which filenames have 
patterns derived from the tiddler title" which suggests you are exporting 
the titles at least, manually if necessary. My Question I suppose is you 
can rule the name of the images so why do you not force them to comply?, No 
Need to answer unless it helps you

Yes Follow Jeds suggestion he has more knowledge on this than myself.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 1:34:03 PM UTC+10, Marcio Augusto wrote:
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> I am not trying to export and import tiddlers. What I am trying to achieve 
> is reference image files on disk, which filenames have patterns derived 
> from the tiddler title, except for the invalid characters.
>
> I just mentioned the export function because I noticed that the "export 
> tiddler" button (which offers four formats to export: CSV, JSON, Static 
> HTML and ".tid") issues a browser popup window that allows to save or open 
> the tiddler, where the filename to be saved is the tiddler title, except 
> for the invalid characters for filenames in Windows (< > : " \ ? *) and 
> Linux (/) which are replaced by "_". I am now convinced that, as Mark S. 
> already pointed out, this is probably done by the browser.
>
> Change the tiddler title is not an option, it needs to display any Unicode 
> character except those invalid in tiddler titles. I could include a tiddler 
> field with the "sanitized" tiddler title using an external script (there 
> are hundreds of tiddlers), but this would be an asynchronous process.
>
> To stay in the TW realm, it seems my best bet is the FileSystemAdaptor 
> that Jed Carty suggested in the beginning.
>
> Cheers,
> Márcio.
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 8:55:27 PM UTC-3, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Marcio,
>>
>> But then you can save it with the UTF-8 file name such as when dragged 
>> and drooped back on tiddlywiki it will restore the original name?
>>
>> If you really want to simplify the name why not change the title in 
>> TiddlyWiki, I know that is obvious but I know how we can go down paths and 
>> forget where we came from.
>>
>> Best Wishes
>> Tony
>>
>>

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[tw5] datauri for background image of tiddler

2018-05-09 Thread Mohammad

I am using the following CSS in a tiddler tagged with "$:/tags/Stylesheet"

[data-tags*="slide"]  {
background: url(<>);
}


 but seems the datauri does not work!

What is the problem here?

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Re: [tw5] Get a sanitized filename from a tiddler title

2018-05-09 Thread Marcio Augusto

Hi Tony,

I am not trying to export and import tiddlers. What I am trying to achieve 
is reference image files on disk, which filenames have patterns derived 
from the tiddler title, except for the invalid characters.

I just mentioned the export function because I noticed that the "export 
tiddler" button (which offers four formats to export: CSV, JSON, Static 
HTML and ".tid") issues a browser popup window that allows to save or open 
the tiddler, where the filename to be saved is the tiddler title, except 
for the invalid characters for filenames in Windows (< > : " \ ? *) and 
Linux (/) which are replaced by "_". I am now convinced that, as Mark S. 
already pointed out, this is probably done by the browser.

Change the tiddler title is not an option, it needs to display any Unicode 
character except those invalid in tiddler titles. I could include a tiddler 
field with the "sanitized" tiddler title using an external script (there 
are hundreds of tiddlers), but this would be an asynchronous process.

To stay in the TW realm, it seems my best bet is the FileSystemAdaptor that 
Jed Carty suggested in the beginning.

Cheers,
Márcio.

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 8:55:27 PM UTC-3, TonyM wrote:
>
> Marcio,
>
> But then you can save it with the UTF-8 file name such as when dragged and 
> drooped back on tiddlywiki it will restore the original name?
>
> If you really want to simplify the name why not change the title in 
> TiddlyWiki, I know that is obvious but I know how we can go down paths and 
> forget where we came from.
>
> Best Wishes
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] TiddlyWiki Focused Designer areas - Please contribute


Folks,

I am building something to curate and present *TiddlyWiki Enthusiasts, 
designers and developers information* and the relevant components or 
techniques. 

This is with the View to presenting Focused Content such that there are 
different ways for people to discover TiddlyWiki information

*Please do not confuse this with a related post about end user solution 
areas.*

There Is my list so far.

   - CSS and StyleSheets
   - Developers
   - Documentation
   - Hosting TiddlyWiki
   - Macros and Code Snipits
   - Plugins and Bundles
   - SharePoint Integration
   - Theaming and Layouts
   - WordPress Integration

Thanks in Advance for your Contribution.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] TiddlyWiki Focused Solution Areas - Please contribute

Folks,

I am building something to curate and present *TiddlyWiki solutions* and
the relevant components or techniques.

This is with the View to presenting Focused Content such that there are
different ways for people to discover TiddlyWiki without scaring them off
with TiddlyWikis true diversity of posiblities

Please contribute general areas in which solutions can be found. Lets try
not to get too detailed just list items that are popular or somewhat
generic.

There Is my list so far.

- Calendaring
- Brainstorming
- Dashboards
- Desktop Applications
- Game Campaigns
- Journals and Diaries
- Mapping
- Mobile Applications
- Personal Database
- Personal Notebooks
- Personal Productivity
- Presentations
- Projects
- Web Site Hosting

I am working on a separate list and will post soon for Designers. The above
a purely the end use type of solutions that can be achieved with
TiddlyuWiki

Thanks in Advance for your Contribution.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Your invitation to the TiddlyWiki European Meetup 2018

2018-05-09 Thread Morgaine O'Herne

If it were held here in Boise I could make it. Aside from that, anywhere in 
the Pacific Northwest I *might* be able to go.  Travel costs a lot. :(

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 11:49:04 AM UTC-6, Lost Admin wrote:
>
> I wonder if there are enough of us interested in a TiddyWiki America Meet 
> up?
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 6:23:28 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> I’m delighted to invite you to the 3rd TiddlyWiki European Meetup on 
>> Saturday 9th and Sunday 10th June 2018, here in Oxford, UK. It’s for anyone 
>> interested in TiddlyWiki, whether Classic, 5 or “X”.
>>
>> We had similar events last year and the year below (see photos below). It 
>> has been a terrific opportunity to meet face-to-face and get to know one 
>> another.
>>
>> The first year we focussed on working together on twederation but broke 
>> out into many interesting discussions and demonstrations. Last year we held 
>> a series of presentations/demos that we filmed for posterity:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVT_2PPd-1p1efUy7xnHCGpEWK9gI_wSd
>>
>> Hopefully we can learn from our previous experience and make the event 
>> this year even better.
>>
>> Still to do:
>>
>> * Finalising the venue; I’m hoping to use the same place as previous years
>> * Although the event is free of charge, I’ll set up eventbrite (or 
>> equivalent) so that people can register and I can have an idea of numbers
>> * Planning the schedule; we'll kick off with dinner on the evening of 
>> Friday 8th.
>>
>> Please reply here if you’re interested in attending, or with any 
>> questions or suggestions.
>>
>> If you can’t make it to Oxford for this years meeting, you might like to 
>> consider setting up your own local event instead. If it is over the same 
>> weekend we can network them together, too.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: HammerWidgets Plugin - v0.1.0

BurningTreeC

Thanks for your response. It shows the widgets are much simpler than I 
thought. And while some example layouts will be helpful they now seem less 
important.
Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 5:38:30 PM UTC+10, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> BurningTreeC
>>
>> If your open to ideas I just want to say I have not yet gone down the 
>> "touch interface" rabbit hole yet but I am impressed by the progress. Since 
>> it looks like we can make Mobile first solutions can I ask you try and 
>> bundle complete layouts?
>>
>
>  
>
>> My focus is currently on information tools and they often need the 
>> desktop but I know many will depend on a good mobile layout. I will be 
>> publishing a lot to the community over the coming months as I have climbed 
>> over the hump of my learning curve. It would be great if such layouts were 
>> packaged so I could deliver them in mobile first. 
>>
>
> Hi Tony, this shouldn't be reduced to touch-only or mobile-first. Except 
> the pinch widget all widget work with the mouse, too - the same way as they 
> work with a touch screen and fingers.
>
> Bundling complete layouts is a big task. I'm looking for a suitable layout 
> for desktop use, that can be used for mobile, too - using the dynaview 
> plugin that enables to see if the screen is big or small. 
>
> I'm thinking about ONE layout first - I've played around with various 
> layouts and that's the point where I'm open for ideas: finding a suitable 
> layout.
> A layout where the strengths of the hammer widgets can be used to alter 
> the editing, viewing and presenting experience.
>
> I hope that users can see that these layouts are just wikitext and css - 
> that means if they can create a macro that filters tiddlers and they can 
> style a list, they can also create layouts.
> I cannot create every possible layout a user could want by myself. I'm 
> missing the time for that.
>  
>
>>
>> I do not underestimate the effort here however I believe we need one last 
>> push here to ensure tiddlywiki is relevant in todays mobile world.
>>
>> One of my projects is to provide a tool to generate View and Edit 
>> Templates parallel to the default ones so you can mess with them and retain 
>> transportable layouts, also alter the toolbar buttons for this alternate 
>> view. I would be happy to share this work if anyone is going to use it.
>>
>
>  What I believe is that we could replace toolbar buttons with gestures in 
> certain layouts/use-cases
>
> The swipe widget for example creates a div than can have 4 different 
> actions (swipe up/left/right/down on the div) - that's one "button" instead 
> of 4 and you can swipe with your mouse or your finger:
>
> <$swipe class="tc-swipe-me" leftactions="""<$action-dosomething/>""" 
> upactions="""<$action-dosomething/>""" rightactions="""
> <$action-dosomething/>""" downactions="""<$action-dosomething/>"""/>
>
> The widget creates a div (can also be a different tag if you add 
> tag="span") with class "tc-swipe-me" and you position it by css and give it 
> a height and width. Or you build the swipe widget around content like:
>
> <$swipe leftactions="""<$action-dosomething/>""" upactions="""
> <$action-dosomething/>""" rightactions="""<$action-dosomething/>""" 
> downactions="""<$action-dosomething/>""">
> This content is swipeable and dispatches different actions if swiping 
> up/left/right/down
> 
>
> The tap, swipe and press widgets are pretty easy, they all work the same 
> and they only recognize the gesture on the created element and dispatch the 
> given action(s)
> The pan widget is the most versatile for layouts because it produces 
> pointer coordinates in a state tiddler and they can be used very 
> creativelly like:
>
> x/y - pads
> moving elements like tiddler content (see this tiddler: 
> http://hammerwidgets.tiddlyspot.com/#Reorder%20Tiddler%20Content)
> creating drag-and-drop layouts
> drag-resizing tiddlers, sidebars
> showing/hiding panels
> ...
>
> The pinch widget is not very complex but stores the scale and rotation 
> values in a state tiddler. They can be used to create:
>
> rotatable stuff like knobs
> zoomable stuff
>
>
> I've already built all of the things mentioned trying to figure out what 
> works best in the environment they're interacting with
> So now I'd like to put those findings into a layout - and for that I'm 
> open for ideas
>
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
> All the best, Simon
>  
>

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[tw5] Re: Journal Button truncates existing tiddler

I added my solution to there, Thanks

On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 10:36:49 AM UTC+10, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> semi-related: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3028
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 6:08:48 PM UTC-5, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>> Is it just my imagination, or has this problem found its way back into TW 
>> 5.1.16?
>>
>>1. Create a journal tiddler using the new journal button
>>2. close
>>3. Open again using the new journal button
>>4. Previous content is GONE
>>5. At this point, you can close w/o saving the tiddler, and it shall 
>>appear as an existing tiddler
>>6. Click the edit tiddler button and the tiddler opens with content 
>>intact
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Is it time to have separate groups in TiddlyWiki? A User, not Developer, perspective


Alfonso,I know exactly where you coming from and have a solution. Such 
divided groups need to exist under a single network. One need not miss 
anything but one can subscribe or hide material form focused groups, share 
across groups and have an avenue to publish curated results out to the 
Internet where Google Searches will be more productive.

Regards
Tony


On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 2:37:33 AM UTC+10, Alfonso Arciniega wrote:
>
> First thing first: Tremendous thanks to everyone that contributes to this 
> group. The amount of time and effort seems incredible to me. Keep up the 
> great work!
>
> Now, I am not a developer. I am a user. I am an engineer with very limited 
> knowledge of TW coding. I do not have too much time to learn TW because I 
> work 8 hours a day and have a family to attend afterward. At the most, I 
> try very hard to catch up with the hundreds of new posts every week. It 
> would take more than an hour a day to get familiar with the content of each 
> new post. I am feeling the pain (i.e. very frustrated) because I cannot get 
> up to speed with all the great postings.
>
> I strongly suggest to the community to separate TW into several groups. I 
> know we have a Developers group, though many of developing posts are posted 
> in this group. For example, we can add two additional groups called: Issues 
> and Production (final names can be decided later). The content of each 
> group could be:
> TW Developers: Core TW, Code, Plugins, Macros, Applications, etc. 
> (discussion and requests for new stuff)
> TW Issues: Errors, User issues, Network issues, etc. (discussion and 
> requests for fixing stuff)
> TW Production: Final posting of Core TW, Plugins, Macros, Apps, etc. (no 
> discussion here, this group is for users mostly, not developers)
>
> Of course, there will be pros and cons to this separation. However, this 
> will benefit users enormously. Users will be able to get the good stuff 
> without the need to go over hundreds of posts; they will find solutions 
> faster without having to ask the same question over and over again, 
> overpopulating this group; TW family would expand faster by attracting 
> users with limited knowledge of coding (that do not have too much time to 
> learn the intricacies of TW language).
>
> I understand I am writing for developers mostly, and suggesting this 
> change has probably been discussed (and rejected?) more than once in the 
> past. I am asking to reconsider, and think primarily about expanding the 
> number of users. I believe TW has become mature enough to become a starting 
> point of several excellent applications. We have plenty of end-user 
> application ideas though we spend too much time tunning up code for our own 
> use instead of creating generic applications or off-the-shelve solutions 
> that may need small tunning.
>
> The following is an example of how a concerted developer effort may 
> attract many more users: the Cardo TW app, which has its own Google group 
> by the way. It is a good app though not great. I still cannot adopt it in 
> its current status (still using mGSD Classic TW). There is only one 
> developer for this app which apparently is busy and does not have the 
> (free) time to carry on with further development. IMHO, there should be 
> several developers collaborating and making this a great app that can put 
> TW on a different level, much better than other commercial applications 
> (think: Remember the Milk, Things, Wunderlist, Trello, etc.)
>
> From the developer perspective: Developers will be able to create wealth 
> by charging to end Users for services (fine tuning, debugging, creating 
> systems, etc.) on the TW applications. Think something similar to the Linux 
> family of operating systems, of the IBM network service systems. The only 
> app that I know that makes some money is Quine. There should be many more. 
> You guys need to make money; it's not a bad thing. A Production group (not 
> necessarily a Google group, it could be a completely separate web site) 
> would help to test the markets where the potential users find apps they can 
> use. Users won't need to peruse the whole David's 
> https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM to find something usable 
> for their needs.
>
> Well, I could go on and on, though I must go back to (paid) work for now.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alfonso Arciniega
>

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[tw5] Re: Is it time to have separate groups in TiddlyWiki? A User, not Developer, perspective

Josiah,

In fact it is possible, I have the solution, and I reached out to you to 
join me in reviewing it.

I am not trying to sell it into the community yet because Its needs 
refining and a strategy.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 5:04:36 AM UTC+10, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Alfonso
>
> The main problem with this is WHO would form the different groups?
>
> 1 - There are not that many active people here --- count them over a month 
> & you will see my point.
>
> 2 - I don't think that the different areas of TW involvement are neat such 
> that it could unfold into the different areas you suggest.
>
> Being a bit more positive, I DO think that branching into viable alternate 
> paths is possible. Just this week Danielo's NOTESELF 
>  established its own forum. In the 
> case of NoteSelf I can see how it will be viable because its a vibrant fork 
> of TW that has a considerable following already. 
>
> I can't, at the moment, think of anything else that could do that viably.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>

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[tw5] Re: Your invitation to the TiddlyWiki European Meetup 2018

Jeremy et al...

I only wish I could make it (still 1% Possible) from here in Sydney. I 
would be lucky to get a round trip for $1,200 AUD and I would need to be 
billeted at someones house to avoid hotel expenses.

However I would consider either a Skype or contributing to the material or 
agendas to be considered. 

If the truth be known I am about to dump something on the community I may 
very well need to argue and defend (mums the word)

I do understand where Dragon is coming from, but I would suggest he go with 
a target in mind and obtain consensus and feedback, he could make what he 
thinks should happen actually occur. Even if it is in a single area.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Journal Button truncates existing tiddler

2018-05-09 Thread Diego Mesa

semi-related: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3028

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 6:08:48 PM UTC-5, Sean Boyle wrote:
>
> Is it just my imagination, or has this problem found its way back into TW 
> 5.1.16?
>
>1. Create a journal tiddler using the new journal button
>2. close
>3. Open again using the new journal button
>4. Previous content is GONE
>5. At this point, you can close w/o saving the tiddler, and it shall 
>appear as an existing tiddler
>6. Click the edit tiddler button and the tiddler opens with content 
>intact
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Get a sanitized filename from a tiddler title

Marcio,

But then you can save it with the UTF-8 file name such as when dragged and 
drooped back on tiddlywiki it will restore the original name?

If you really want to simplify the name why not change the title in 
TiddlyWiki, I know that is obvious but I know how we can go down paths and 
forget where we came from.

Best Wishes
Tony


On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 8:06:42 AM UTC+10, Marcio Augusto wrote:
>
> Thanks for you input.
>
> However, this filter replaces many characters with the equivalent % 
> encoded UTF-8, not only the characters that are invalid as filenames, which 
> I would need replaced by "_".
>
> Cheers,
> Marcio.
>
> On Tuesday, May 8, 2018 at 2:16:50 PM UTC-3, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> I looked at them. But they don't create the same kind of file name that 
>> the browser does when saving exports. In particular, they leave in ? and :, 
>> which have to be converted to _ (or something) for saving on Windows.
>>
>>
>> Try using the “encodeuricomponent” filter; it performs the same 
>> processing that the core uses for generating filenames.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 3:37:41 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 6:24:49 PM UTC+2, Marcio Augusto wrote:

 If it would be possible to use something from the standard TW (as I am 
 assuming the "export tiddler" button does), I would like to avoid adding 
 something that would duplicate a function that already exists.

>>>
>>> There are the uriencode / uridecode filters. Maybe worth a look.
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Journal Button truncates existing tiddler

Sean,

I presume you have set the Title of new journal tiddlers to -MM-DD or 
some variant there of hat does not include time.

What I have notices on my wiki and tiddlywiki.com is that the new tiddler 
is created with a draft title of -MM-DD which when saved has the 
trailing space removed.

On a subsequent creation the new tiddler is created with a draft title of 
-MM-DD which does not yet exist so no overwrite warning occurs, 
not can the existing tiddler be opened.

If you remove the space from the title before saving it will tell you *Target 
tiddler already exists*

If you leave the extra space in the title on save it removes the space and 
overwrites the previous one.

*So the bug that needs fixing is to remove the unwanted space from the end 
of the New Journal Tiddler name.*


   - The extra space is not found in $:/config/NewJournal/Text 
   - It occurs in New Journal and New Journal Here
   - The fault is in the buttons
  - $:/core/ui/Buttons/new-journal
  - $:/core/ui/Buttons/new-journal-here
  
Edit both buttons and look for the line

<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<>

Remove the unnecessary space from after $(journalTitleTemplate)$

This will fix it in your Wiki and we need one of the developers to submit 
the fix.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 9:08:48 AM UTC+10, Sean Boyle wrote:
>
> Is it just my imagination, or has this problem found its way back into TW 
> 5.1.16?
>
>1. Create a journal tiddler using the new journal button
>2. close
>3. Open again using the new journal button
>4. Previous content is GONE
>5. At this point, you can close w/o saving the tiddler, and it shall 
>appear as an existing tiddler
>6. Click the edit tiddler button and the tiddler opens with content 
>intact
>
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[tw5] Journal Button truncates existing tiddler

2018-05-09 Thread Sean Boyle

Is it just my imagination, or has this problem found its way back into TW 
5.1.16?

   1. Create a journal tiddler using the new journal button
   2. close
   3. Open again using the new journal button
   4. Previous content is GONE
   5. At this point, you can close w/o saving the tiddler, and it shall 
   appear as an existing tiddler
   6. Click the edit tiddler button and the tiddler opens with content 
   intact

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Re: [tw5] Get a sanitized filename from a tiddler title

2018-05-09 Thread Marcio Augusto

Thanks for you input.

However, this filter replaces many characters with the equivalent % encoded 
UTF-8, not only the characters that are invalid as filenames, which I would 
need replaced by "_".

Cheers,
Marcio.

On Tuesday, May 8, 2018 at 2:16:50 PM UTC-3, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I looked at them. But they don't create the same kind of file name that 
> the browser does when saving exports. In particular, they leave in ? and :, 
> which have to be converted to _ (or something) for saving on Windows.
>
>
> Try using the “encodeuricomponent” filter; it performs the same processing 
> that the core uses for generating filenames.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 3:37:41 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>>
>> On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 6:24:49 PM UTC+2, Marcio Augusto wrote:
>>>
>>> If it would be possible to use something from the standard TW (as I am 
>>> assuming the "export tiddler" button does), I would like to avoid adding 
>>> something that would duplicate a function that already exists.
>>>
>>
>> There are the uriencode / uridecode filters. Maybe worth a look.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
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[tw5] Re: The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

What is MY contribution?

Faced by the sheer vastness and brilliance of SoundCloud that includes good 
songs by my friends ...

 ... Barabara, BOXER MOTIVATION 101 


and 

... Ghandi's Cat ON THE RUN 


and uncountable versions and re-versions of GET LUCKY 
 by Daft Punk 
(though the best Russian Police Version is only on YouTube 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYbtAZjB8QM)

I think what has happened to music is the signature tune already.

The sheer volume of stuff.

Its exciting & daunting.

Where is my TW's uniqueness in this?

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[tw5] Re: Recurring selective sync between a private and a public wiki

2018-05-09 Thread Martin Hähnel

Ah. And here are further problems: I'd like to use the private version 
offline. The best case scenario would be that I would have a hosted private 
wiki which is mirrored offline and a hosted public version. That's what I 
like about ikiwiki decentralized setups in many different configurations 
are possible: https://ikiwiki.info/tips/distributed_wikis/

Is there a way to keep a hosted and a local version of a wiki in sync?

Am Mittwoch, 9. Mai 2018 20:11:13 UTC+2 schrieb Lost Admin:
>
> I *think* it might be possible if you host the private wiki instance on a 
> node.js version of tiddlywiki and wrote a few custom node scripts (and 
> deployment scripts) to generate the public version and then push it out to 
> the public server.
>
> I do something similar without all the scripting but the public wiki is 
> it's own instance of TiddlyWiki in a sub directory of the private one. More 
> specifically, my publicly accessible server (a hosted VM) runs a web server 
> with 2 Apache Virtual servers. 
>
> The Apache virtual server for the private access runs on HTTPS and 
> requires authentication. It runs the Apache WebDAV module. There is a 
> sub-folder on it that could be called "public".
>
> The second Apache virtual server is the public access server. It's 
> document root is the public folder of the private instance. I use separate 
> sub-domains, one for each virtual server.
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 1:57:31 PM UTC-4, Martin Hähnel wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to have a private wiki for all of my tiddlers and a public 
>> (hosted) instance of that wiki that only includes certain tiddlers (maybe 
>> only those that are tagged "public") or something like that. The public 
>> wiki should always only include those tiddlers that are supposed to be 
>> public. So if I remove the "public" tag, they should be removed from the 
>> public instance. Is this somehow possible?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

Vytas wrote:
>
> ... I did not have any intention to criticize people who *"like making 
> systems"*. I went from my own little experience, where I noticed that's 
> once you get into creating tools/solutions, you abandon, to a large degree, 
> the applied part. You simply don't have unlimited time! When I noticed, 
> that also the discussions in the group are dominated more by technical 
> issues, I thought that maybe it would be healthy, for me, to turn to 
> application more. 
>

Right.

I had no sense you criticised anyone. I think your questions are great.

I absolutely agree that seriously used END APPLICATIONS matter. They matter 
for being able to focus on getting stuff done. They matter for getting 
TiddlyWiki better known. And they matter, too, for developers, to know 
where they are, what they have done, and what to do next.

Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Is it time to have separate groups in TiddlyWiki? A User, not Developer, perspective

I think that Josiah is right about this. I am told that a lot of people use 
the things that I make but at the moment there is about enough coming in 
regularly to support server costs and domain registration.

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[tw5] Re: Your invitation to the TiddlyWiki European Meetup 2018

Sing me a song :-)

Diego Mesa wrote:
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> Count me in - Im in Nashville,TN 
>
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[tw5] Re: Your invitation to the TiddlyWiki European Meetup 2018

2018-05-09 Thread Diego Mesa

Count me in - Im in Nashville,TN 

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 12:49:04 PM UTC-5, Lost Admin wrote:
>
> I wonder if there are enough of us interested in a TiddyWiki America Meet 
> up?
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 6:23:28 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> I’m delighted to invite you to the 3rd TiddlyWiki European Meetup on 
>> Saturday 9th and Sunday 10th June 2018, here in Oxford, UK. It’s for anyone 
>> interested in TiddlyWiki, whether Classic, 5 or “X”.
>>
>> We had similar events last year and the year below (see photos below). It 
>> has been a terrific opportunity to meet face-to-face and get to know one 
>> another.
>>
>> The first year we focussed on working together on twederation but broke 
>> out into many interesting discussions and demonstrations. Last year we held 
>> a series of presentations/demos that we filmed for posterity:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVT_2PPd-1p1efUy7xnHCGpEWK9gI_wSd
>>
>> Hopefully we can learn from our previous experience and make the event 
>> this year even better.
>>
>> Still to do:
>>
>> * Finalising the venue; I’m hoping to use the same place as previous years
>> * Although the event is free of charge, I’ll set up eventbrite (or 
>> equivalent) so that people can register and I can have an idea of numbers
>> * Planning the schedule; we'll kick off with dinner on the evening of 
>> Friday 8th.
>>
>> Please reply here if you’re interested in attending, or with any 
>> questions or suggestions.
>>
>> If you can’t make it to Oxford for this years meeting, you might like to 
>> consider setting up your own local event instead. If it is over the same 
>> weekend we can network them together, too.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Is it time to have separate groups in TiddlyWiki? A User, not Developer, perspective

Ciao Alfonso

The main problem with this is WHO would form the different groups?

1 - There are not that many active people here --- count them over a month 
& you will see my point.

2 - I don't think that the different areas of TW involvement are neat such 
that that it could unfold into the different areas you suggest.

Being a bit more positive, I DO think that branching into viable alternate 
paths is possible. Just this week Danielo's NOTESELF 
 established its own forum. In the case 
of NoteSelf I can see how it will be viable because its a vibrant fork of 
TW that has a considerable following already. 

I can't, at the moment, think of anything else that could do that viably.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

2018-05-09 Thread 'Vytas' via TiddlyWiki

Josiah,

Yes, I see what you mean. If you put it this way, then the only way to get
the direct meaning is just by engaging into pure experience. Everything
else (computers, writing, TW, art, physics formulae..) is a step away from
it.

*"TBH, I think the issue on this is about simply understanding in this
group we'd do each a favour by promoting TW we know about that are more
than demos. Its not workable to criticise people who like making systems
that benefit us all for doing that. Its impossible without them." *
I just wanted to explain, that, in my earlier posts, I did not have any
intention to criticize people who *"like making systems"*. I went from my
own little experience, where I noticed that's once you get into creating
tools/solutions, you abandon, to a large degree, the applied part. You
simply don't have unlimited time! When I noticed, that also the discussions
in the group are dominated more by technical issues, I thought that maybe
it would be healthy, for me, to turn to application more.

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[tw5] Re: Recurring selective sync between a private and a public wiki

2018-05-09 Thread Lost Admin

I *think* it might be possible if you host the private wiki instance on a 
node.js version of tiddlywiki and wrote a few custom node scripts (and 
deployment scripts) to generate the public version and then push it out to 
the public server.

I do something similar without all the scripting but the public wiki is 
it's own instance of TiddlyWiki in a sub directory of the private one. More 
specifically, my publicly accessible server (a hosted VM) runs a web server 
with 2 Apache Virtual servers. 

The Apache virtual server for the private access runs on HTTPS and requires 
authentication. It runs the Apache WebDAV module. There is a sub-folder on 
it that could be called "public".

The second Apache virtual server is the public access server. It's document 
root is the public folder of the private instance. I use separate 
sub-domains, one for each virtual server.

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 1:57:31 PM UTC-4, Martin Hähnel wrote:
>
> I'd like to have a private wiki for all of my tiddlers and a public 
> (hosted) instance of that wiki that only includes certain tiddlers (maybe 
> only those that are tagged "public") or something like that. The public 
> wiki should always only include those tiddlers that are supposed to be 
> public. So if I remove the "public" tag, they should be removed from the 
> public instance. Is this somehow possible?
>

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[tw5] Re: Calories & Carbs & Fiber, Oh My

Big part of the problem is no one agrees. And there are a zillion diets.

Its probably easier to define the functional purpose of the selection 
rather than get into a complexity too far (Like the Christopher Robin 
Wednesday Diet).

For instance, Keto diets do need to know the proportions of protein, 
carbohydrates & fats in each common food. AND, for managing that diet, some 
indicator of the vitamins and minerals of each common food (but those don't 
need to be exact, just indicative).

Other diets, like the Carbohydrate Specific Diet (for those with celiac 
disease) need something quite different.

Unless you are pitching for "The All For Every Wo/Man Award" I'd go for 
your own focus of interest.

Heats the urn.
Josiah

On Wednesday, 9 May 2018 19:23:45 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> I suppose I could do a reboot, pulling in stats from the USDA and 
> expanding the nutrients. Except they seem to have too many:
>
> Energy
> Protein
> Total lipid (fat)
> Carbohydrate, by difference
> Fiber, total dietary
> Sugars, total
> Calcium, Ca
> Iron, Fe
> Magnesium, Mg
> Phosphorus, P
> Potassium, K
> Sodium, Na
> Zinc, Zn
> Vitamin C, total ascorbic acid
> Thiamin
> Riboflavin
> Niacin
> Vitamin B-6
> Folate, DFE
> Vitamin B-12
> Vitamin A, RAE
> Vitamin A, IU
> Vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol)
> Vitamin D (D2 + D3)
> Vitamin D
> Vitamin K (phylloquinone)
> Fatty acids, total saturated
> Fatty acids, total monounsaturated
> Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated
> Fatty acids, total trans
> Cholesterol
> Caffeine
>
> I don't think many people need to track their daily intake of Vitamin C. 
> You'll be happy to learn that broccoli has no caffeine.
>
> Which Vits/mineral are worth it?
>
> It would obviously take a bit of work.
>
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[tw5] Recurring selective sync between a private and a public wiki

2018-05-09 Thread Martin Hähnel

I'd like to have a private wiki for all of my tiddlers and a public 
(hosted) instance of that wiki that only includes certain tiddlers (maybe 
only those that are tagged "public") or something like that. The public 
wiki should always only include those tiddlers that are supposed to be 
public. So if I remove the "public" tag, they should be removed from the 
public instance. Is this somehow possible?

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[tw5] Re: Your invitation to the TiddlyWiki European Meetup 2018

2018-05-09 Thread Lost Admin

I wonder if there are enough of us interested in a TiddyWiki America Meet 
up?

On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 6:23:28 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’m delighted to invite you to the 3rd TiddlyWiki European Meetup on 
> Saturday 9th and Sunday 10th June 2018, here in Oxford, UK. It’s for anyone 
> interested in TiddlyWiki, whether Classic, 5 or “X”.
>
> We had similar events last year and the year below (see photos below). It 
> has been a terrific opportunity to meet face-to-face and get to know one 
> another.
>
> The first year we focussed on working together on twederation but broke 
> out into many interesting discussions and demonstrations. Last year we held 
> a series of presentations/demos that we filmed for posterity:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVT_2PPd-1p1efUy7xnHCGpEWK9gI_wSd
>
> Hopefully we can learn from our previous experience and make the event 
> this year even better.
>
> Still to do:
>
> * Finalising the venue; I’m hoping to use the same place as previous years
> * Although the event is free of charge, I’ll set up eventbrite (or 
> equivalent) so that people can register and I can have an idea of numbers
> * Planning the schedule; we'll kick off with dinner on the evening of 
> Friday 8th.
>
> Please reply here if you’re interested in attending, or with any questions 
> or suggestions.
>
> If you can’t make it to Oxford for this years meeting, you might like to 
> consider setting up your own local event instead. If it is over the same 
> weekend we can network them together, too.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

2018-05-09 Thread 'Vytas' via TiddlyWiki

Thomas,

a very interesting reply! I have several questions:

   - What is your favourite application of rpn?
   - *"School of logical thinking. From idea to application I can gradually 
   develop thoughts and tools that matter to me. That makes me a better 
   thinker, I think."* Could you elaborate on this, maybe giving an 
   example? 
   - Which tools do you use the most?

It would be great to learn from your experience!

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[tw5] Re: Importing lots of Markdown-Files

2018-05-09 Thread Martin Hähnel

Here you 
go: https://gist.github.com/openmedi/95c5629699634b0d8b8bde7cc161ee1a

Am Samstag, 21. April 2018 15:30:29 UTC+2 schrieb BJ:
>
> maybe you could show an example? (eg take a screenshot of one of these 
> files in a text editor)
>
> On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 12:52:48 PM UTC+2, Martin Hähnel wrote:
>>
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> before switching to TiddlyWiki I relied heavily on a notes system based 
>> on ikiwiki . I therefore have a lot of individual 
>> markdown files that all look more or less like this:
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> [[!tag $Tag1 $Tag2]]
>> # note 175: $Title
>>
>> [contents of note]
>>
>> # Links
>>
>> [links to other notes]
>>
>> # Literature
>>
>> [citations]
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> Most of the structure of those notes is not enforced by ikiwiki, except 
>> for the tag directive on top (not its positioning, but its semantics). None 
>> the less it would be great to parse all of those notes in a way that 
>> preserves tags, title, contents, links and structure. I guess it would make 
>> sense to use the markdown type tiddler. How would I even start to go about 
>> importing those files? Are there any guides to write your own importers?
>>
>> P. S.: I use a single files wiki, since I can't install any apps at work. 
>> At home I use TiddlyDesktop, on my phone I use quine 
>>  and on my 
>> computer at work I use TiddlyWiki in the Sky for Dropbox.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Calories & Carbs & Fiber, Oh My

2018-05-09 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki


I suppose I could do a reboot, pulling in stats from the USDA and expanding 
the nutrients. Except they seem to have too many:

Energy
Protein
Total lipid (fat)
Carbohydrate, by difference
Fiber, total dietary
Sugars, total
Calcium, Ca
Iron, Fe
Magnesium, Mg
Phosphorus, P
Potassium, K
Sodium, Na
Zinc, Zn
Vitamin C, total ascorbic acid
Thiamin
Riboflavin
Niacin
Vitamin B-6
Folate, DFE
Vitamin B-12
Vitamin A, RAE
Vitamin A, IU
Vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol)
Vitamin D (D2 + D3)
Vitamin D
Vitamin K (phylloquinone)
Fatty acids, total saturated
Fatty acids, total monounsaturated
Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated
Fatty acids, total trans
Cholesterol
Caffeine

I don't think many people need to track their daily intake of Vitamin C. 
You'll be happy to learn that broccoli has no caffeine.

Which Vits/mineral are worth it?

It would obviously take a bit of work.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Updates to the MultiUser plugin and the Single Executable version

2018-05-09 Thread Stobot

That's understandable, and like I mentioned, the hiding of edit buttons
will probably be enough for my purposes.

I have a tiny bit of technical background, but purely within a windows /
visual basic realm, so even slight modifications to Javascript is painful
to work through, and I have no networking background at all. I've never
used Mac or Linux, so also some things that are often mentioned here as
easy - making changes in the "command line" using git means nothing to me.
I was around making batch files in the DOS days, but it doesn't seem to
apply well. I have however spent hundreds of hours building applications of
TiddlyWiki - from a Project Management template, to various Knowledge Bases
/ Best Practice sites. We run SharePoint here, so the .aspx trick has made
things very easy for us.

I think people in my environment (corporate windows-based etc. at large
company) could be one of the best positions to make use of (and most likely
to pay for the use of) TiddlyWiki and this multi-user piece. I work with
about 30 people scattered across North America and collaborate constantly -
primarily using OneNote which I've grown to despise. Your multi-user piece
is the nail in the OneNote coffin.

Anyways - just some perspective from a guy working in a cube-farm thrilled
to be testing the new capabilities that multi-user allows me to explore.

Thanks!

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[tw5] Is it time to have separate groups in TiddlyWiki? A User, not Developer, perspective

2018-05-09 Thread Alfonso Arciniega

First thing first: Tremendous thanks to everyone that contributes to this
group. The amount of time and effort seems incredible to me. Keep up the
great work!

Now, I am not a developer. I am a user. I am an engineer with very limited
knowledge of TW coding. I do not have too much time to learn TW because I
work 8 hours a day and have a family to attend afterward. At the most, I
try very hard to catch up with the hundreds of new posts every week. It
would take more than an hour a day to get familiar with the content of each
new post. I am feeling the pain (i.e. very frustrated) because I cannot get
up to speed with all the great postings.

I strongly suggest to the community to separate TW into several groups. I
know we have a Developers group, though many of developing posts are posted
in this group. For example, we can add two additional groups called: Issues
and Production (final names can be decided later). The content of each
group could be:
TW Developers: Core TW, Code, Plugins, Macros, Applications, etc.
(discussion and requests for new stuff)
TW Issues: Errors, User issues, Network issues, etc. (discussion and
requests for fixing stuff)
TW Production: Final posting of Core TW, Plugins, Macros, Apps, etc. (no
discussion here, this group is for users mostly, not developers)

Of course, there will be pros and cons to this separation. However, this
will benefit users enormously. Users will be able to get the good stuff
without the need to go over hundreds of posts; they will find solutions
faster without having to ask the same question over and over again,
overpopulating this group; TW family would expand faster by attracting
users with limited knowledge of coding (that do not have too much time to
learn the intricacies of TW language).

I understand I am writing for developers mostly, and suggesting this change
has probably been discussed (and rejected?) more than once in the past. I
am asking to reconsider, and think primarily about expanding the number of
users. I believe TW has become mature enough to become a starting point of
several excellent applications. We have plenty of end-user application
ideas though we spend too much time tunning up code for our own use instead
of creating generic applications or off-the-shelve solutions that may need
small tunning.

The following is an example of how a concerted developer effort may attract
many more users: the Cardo TW app, which has its own Google group by the
way. It is a good app though not great. I still cannot adopt it in its
current status (still using mGSD Classic TW). There is only one developer
for this app which apparently is busy and does not have the (free) time to
carry on with further development. IMHO, there should be several developers
collaborating and making this a great app that can put TW on a different
level, much better than other commercial applications (think: Remember the
Milk, Things, Wunderlist, Trello, etc.)

>From the developer perspective: Developers will be able to create wealth by
charging to end Users for services (fine tuning, debugging, creating
systems, etc.) on the TW applications. Think something similar to the Linux
family of operating systems, of the IBM network service systems. The only
app that I know that makes some money is Quine. There should be many more.
You guys need to make money; it's not a bad thing. A Production group (not
necessarily a Google group, it could be a completely separate web site)
would help to test the markets where the potential users find apps they can
use. Users won't need to peruse the whole
David's https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM to find something
usable for their needs.

Well, I could go on and on, though I must go back to (paid) work for now.

Regards,

Alfonso Arciniega

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[tw5] Re: Calories & Carbs & Fiber, Oh My

IMO the whole thing they doing trying to "protect" data is a bid for making 
it look like "grappling with Sisyphus" ... the two tricks ...

1 - you stole it because we said you couldn't enter the site and re-publish 
data ...

2 - we changed our values by 1.3 so we can spot you

In neither case do I think they have a stick of celery to stand on. Its 
basically intimidation. I guess if they had stats  for rhubarb grown on the 
moon they could make some kinda cases for special data. 

J.

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[tw5] Re: The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

Ciao Vytas

PART 2

Vytas wrote:

> I feel what you mean, by stating that writing and computers are a step 
> away from direct meaning. Overall, you emphasize *meaning*. I'm more used 
> to terminology of "understanding/world-view", 
>

I could go deeper into this. By "meaning" I meant already the "implying of 
relationship" since meaning can't exist outside of its contextual heft. But 
I'll comment about my own background on that separately, later, so as not 
to make the discussion too complex.

> and try to emphasize *relations* between different pieces of information 
> and the *integration* of relevant information within one's own 
> "world-view". It's difficult to imagine emergence of meaning without having 
> relations and integration. This is why I feel our views should have quite a 
> lot in common. However, what is DIRECT meaning? And what is indirect 
> meaning? It seems this distinction is quite important for you. Is 
> TiddlyWiki some kind of link between indirect and direct?
>

By "Direct", by example, I mean experiencing THESE FLOWERS in this vase 
here on the table next to me. By "Indirect", I mean looking at the 
Representation of THOSE FLOWERS in a digitised image that I uploaded to the 
net. This is NOT to say one is less than the other. In fact the abstractive 
art-process that results in the latter from the former may create something 
unique. But my POINT is they are not directly CONGRUENT. I find that 
process axiomatic--"direct experiencing" is close to a given, "indirect 
experiencing" is much more about construction.

This is getting a bit philosophical :-). But you get the idea?

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Calories & Carbs & Fiber, Oh My

2018-05-09 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Certainly they want to protect their explanatory information. But they 
probably obtained caloric info from sources that were already in the public 
domain.

Like, if I publish the atomic weight of water on my copyrighted web site, I 
can't prevent other people from using the atomic weight of water in their 
published works UNLESS there is something special about my water (The 
Martha Stewart edition). That's my thinking. 

There is a government database of 7000 items that are in the public domain, 
so maybe that would be a better start.

Thanks!
-- Mark

On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 8:07:41 AM UTC-7, Alfonso Arciniega wrote:
>
> The best nutrition database and tools for low-carb diets I found, and 
> actually use them myself, are at https://www.atkins.com. You have to sign 
> up (free) before you can use it though. Though not exactly the same, Atkins 
> diet is based on the same principles of Ketogenic diet. I read the science 
> at https://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com, but use the easy tools at 
> https://www.atkins.com.
>
> However, if you sign up, the Terms of Use include the following:
>
> *No Commercial Reuse of Content*
> You agree not to reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, trade, resell or 
> exploit for any commercial purposes any material or Content of any kind You 
> see, download or otherwise access on any of Ours Sites.
>
> and
>
> *ANI's Proprietary Rights*
> You acknowledge and agree that Content contained in or information 
> presented to You through the Sites is protected by copyrights, trademarks, 
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> expressly permitted by applicable law or as authorized by Us or the 
> applicable licensor, in writing, You agree not to modify, sell, distribute, 
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> whole or in part, for any commercial use or for any other purpose 
> whatsoever.
>
> Alfonso
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Re: [tw5] Re: [INTRO] uni-link plugin

2018-05-09 Thread Diego Mesa

Hey Mario,

Just checking back up on this!

Thanks,
Diego

On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 2:09:46 AM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi Diego, 
>
> I can confirm, that there is a problem. ... I need to investigate it. 
>
> -m
>

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[tw5] Re: Calories & Carbs & Fiber, Oh My

2018-05-09 Thread Alfonso Arciniega

The best nutrition database and tools for low-carb diets I found, and
actually use them myself, are at https://www.atkins.com. You have to sign
up (free) before you can use it though. Though not exactly the same, Atkins
diet is based on the same principles of Ketogenic diet. I read the science
at https://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com, but use the easy tools at
https://www.atkins.com.

However, if you sign up, the Terms of Use include the following:

*No Commercial Reuse of Content*
You agree not to reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, trade, resell or exploit
for any commercial purposes any material or Content of any kind You see,
download or otherwise access on any of Ours Sites.

and

*ANI's Proprietary Rights*
You acknowledge and agree that Content contained in or information
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expressly permitted by applicable law or as authorized by Us or the
applicable licensor, in writing, You agree not to modify, sell, distribute,
transmit, broadcast, or create derivative works based on such Content, in
whole or in part, for any commercial use or for any other purpose
whatsoever.

Alfonso

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[tw5] Re: The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

Ciao Vytas

That is a very rich reply. I'll reply to what I can in parts.

PART 1

Vytas wrote:
>
> ... I guess that, sometimes, the less technically skilled people should 
> have advantage in the realm of application. Not having to deal with the 
> technical problems of tool creation, they can put their effort to find the 
> most CREATIVE APPLICATIONS of the existing tools. However, often these 
> tools are buried in the group or scattered around multiple websites and are 
> quite difficult to find and start working with for a beginner or a less 
> technically-skilled. What I push for, is that maybe we should share more 
> details HOW we use TiddlyWiki, so that others could benefit from the 
> EXPERIENCE, not just from the RAW tools. 
>

I agree that end users interested in making CONTENT (assuming they found 
the right structure to do that through) are CENTRAL to the entire rationale 
for getting into TW. I mean, why bother, if you spend all your time coding, 
not producing? 

TW is hampered in that most known Public TW are demos of tech functions, 
not complete TW's made FOR A PURPOSE (e.g. We rarely see "The Miracle Of 
Bach's Music", rather than, a demo plugin for a music library).

TBH, I think the issue on this is about simply understanding in this group 
we'd do each a favour by promoting TW we know about that are more than 
demos. Its not workable to criticise people who like making systems that 
benefit us all for doing that. Its impossible without them. 

BUT I do think its okay to wonder: Okay. Where is this realised? 

*Give me a functioning whole to look at to see what it looks like*. 

They are currently too scarce. End users NOT interested in or equipped for 
programming need them.

Best wishes
Josiah 

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Updates to the MultiUser plugin and the Single Executable version

I am glad that this is helping people. I completely forgot about different
system architectures, the single executable version was made as an
afterthought because it was there so I didn't put much thought into it.
>From the reaction the single executable version is more important to people
than I expected.

The problem with security is that it is either everything is secure or you
have something that is about as secure as disabling the edit buttons. There
isn't much in-between the two. A plugin to add a multi-person login system
would end up being either decoration or be bigger than the rest of
tiddlywiki.

That isn't to say it can't be done, but it is a much better idea in terms
of security, maintainability, ease of deployment and development to make
another server and have tiddlywiki included as a module in that server,
which is what I made for ooktech. With that you can have industry standard
security with multi-person login and different authentication and access
levels.

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Re: [tw5] syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - Error retrieving skinny tiddler list: XMLHttpRequest error code 0

2018-05-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Kevin

> What about re-trying in the event of an error?  Or maybe delaying a few 
> seconds if the network is down?

It’s the “detecting the network is down” bit that the code doesn’t currently 
do: we need new code that hasn’t been written yet that can distinguish between 
a genuine error and the network coming or going.

> My laptop is accessing 3 node.js Tiddlywikis which hosted on a server.  I 
> don't mean to be a whiner, but every time my laptop goes wakes from sleep, I 
> have to refresh all those tabs.

I’m sure many of us run into this. A solution for the core is not an 
insignificant undertaking because error handling tends to be different on 
different browsers, and so will need extensive testing on a variety of 
operating systems.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> TIA
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, May 8, 2018 at 8:31:18 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Kevin
> 
> Those errors are the result of the browser tab being suspending and resumed. 
> We should suppress those errors, but it’s hard to reliably distinguish 
> between true errors and expected errors, so TiddlyWiki currently dutifully 
> displays them to be on the safe side. My own habit at the moment is to 
> refresh the browser tab when I return to one with such errors.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
>> On 8 May 2018, at 01:18, Kevin Kleinfelter > wrote:
>> 
>> I'm getting frequent "syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - Error retrieving skinny 
>> tiddler list: XMLHttpRequest error code 0" errors.
>> 
>> I run 3 node.js Tiddlywikis in 3 browser tabs, continuously.  Often, after I 
>> wake my laptop from sleep, they all three report this error.  I haven't 
>> observed any data loss, but I don't usually save data and then quickly slam 
>> the lid of my laptop shut.
>> 
>> 1. Should I be alarmed?
>> 2. It is kinda a bother to have to close them so often.  Can I (safely) 
>> suppress them?
>> 
>> TIA
>> - kevin
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Re: [tw5] syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - Error retrieving skinny tiddler list: XMLHttpRequest error code 0

2018-05-09 Thread Kevin Kleinfelter

Thank you for your reply.

What about re-trying in the event of an error?  Or maybe delaying a few 
seconds if the network is down?

My laptop is accessing 3 node.js Tiddlywikis which hosted on a server.  I 
don't mean to be a whiner, but every time my laptop goes wakes from sleep, 
I have to refresh all those tabs.

TIA


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> Hi Kevin
>
> Those errors are the result of the browser tab being suspending and 
> resumed. We should suppress those errors, but it’s hard to reliably 
> distinguish between true errors and expected errors, so TiddlyWiki 
> currently dutifully displays them to be on the safe side. My own habit at 
> the moment is to refresh the browser tab when I return to one with such 
> errors.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 8 May 2018, at 01:18, Kevin Kleinfelter  > wrote:
>
> I'm getting frequent "syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - Error retrieving skinny 
> tiddler list: XMLHttpRequest error code 0" errors.
>
> I run 3 node.js Tiddlywikis in 3 browser tabs, continuously.  Often, after 
> I wake my laptop from sleep, they all three report this error.  I haven't 
> observed any data loss, but I don't usually save data and then quickly slam 
> the lid of my laptop shut.
>
> 1. Should I be alarmed?
> 2. It is kinda a bother to have to close them so often.  Can I (safely) 
> suppress them?
>
> TIA
> - kevin
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Re: [tw5] Re: Your invitation to the TiddlyWiki European Meetup 2018

2018-05-09 Thread Enneco Gotzon

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Ed  wrote:

> Get well quickly!
>

+1!


> Op woensdag 9 mei 2018 14:28:18 UTC+2 schreef Jeremy Ruston:
>>
>> Apologies, I'm not going to be able to host the meetup this year in any
>> case. My elbow problems are still dominating my attention.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
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>> On 9 May 2018, at 10:34, Jed Carty  wrote:
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>> I am going to be in the US during the meet up this year so I won't be
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>> family and I don't know if I will have much time.
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[tw5] TW Speaks -- "I am a Quine"

TW Speaks... 

I am a Quine (though I won't limbo in Idaho).
>
> I enable your doings with me. I don't mind you bend me. 
>
> Your purpose is my start and stop. I will rearrange myself to your will.
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Updates to the MultiUser plugin and the Single Executable version

2018-05-09 Thread Stobot

32-bit worked for me on Windows 7!

My recent list is now completely empty :)

When I open a tiddler and go into Info I see "NaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaN" for 
both created and modified fields - I assume this is the root problem, date 
stamps aren't being applied somehow... 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Your invitation to the TiddlyWiki European Meetup 2018

2018-05-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Apologies, I'm not going to be able to host the meetup this year in any case. 
My elbow problems are still dominating my attention.

Best wishes

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Updates to the MultiUser plugin and the Single Executable version

2018-05-09 Thread Ed

Wow Jed!

Awesome, and thanks for the speedy reply!!
Salut les gars! Edm.
= = = = = = = = = =
.
.

Op woensdag 9 mei 2018 11:25:51 UTC+2 schreef Jed Carty:
>
> It claims that it can build for 32 bit systems also. I am uploading the 32 
> bit executables for linux windows and osx now. I don't have any 32 bit 
> systems to test it on so if anyone here does and wants to try it out let me 
> know if it works.
>
> If you have a 32 bit system get the executable for your system that ends 
> with 32 (like tiddlyWin32.exe for 32bit windows). If you don't know what 
> that means than just get the one without the 32.
>
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-SingleExecutable/releases/tag/0.0.6
>
> while looking at this I saw that it can also make arm executables. I am 
> not sure if this means it can run on an android phone or not but I am going 
> to try and find out.
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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Updates to the MultiUser plugin and the Single Executable version

2018-05-09 Thread Stobot

Nice!

Thanks Jed - I was also in need of 32-bit, in fact I was planning on
re-imaging a computer this week - purely to use as a TiddlyWiki server for
my team. I will be able to test the 32-bit windows machine today and will
report back.

Sounds like Ed and I are in similar environments at work - I too have
issues with the recent area not updating, but sounds like that's already on
your list.

I'm sad to see that the "security" piece won't make it in - that'll be the
last piece of the puzzle for me to replace a lot of the things I'm using
SharePoint for. I don't really need true security, just need to be able to
have some people not *accidentally* edit things. I'm probably going to try
to rig up a button that hides / un-hides all the "edit" ui buttons. By
default keep it in "read only" / no edit buttons mode, and then hide a
button somewhere in the title or something to allow those that know what
they're doing to enable all the buttons again. If anyone has a better idea,
I'd be happy to hear it :)

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Updates to the MultiUser plugin and the Single Executable version

2018-05-09 Thread Birthe C

Hi Jed,

Thank you so much, so nice of you to make the 32 bit executables. Finally I 
am able to run this on my old Linux computer (Mint Mate). I am so looking 
forward to make good use of this.

Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Your invitation to the TiddlyWiki European Meetup 2018

I am going to be in the US during the meet up this year so I won't be able 
to make it. I can try to join on a video call but I will be visiting family 
and I don't know if I will have much time.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Updates to the MultiUser plugin and the Single Executable version

It claims that it can build for 32 bit systems also. I am uploading the 32 
bit executables for linux windows and osx now. I don't have any 32 bit 
systems to test it on so if anyone here does and wants to try it out let me 
know if it works.

If you have a 32 bit system get the executable for your system that ends 
with 32 (like tiddlyWin32.exe for 32bit windows). If you don't know what 
that means than just get the one without the 32.

https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-SingleExecutable/releases/tag/0.0.6

while looking at this I saw that it can also make arm executables. I am not 
sure if this means it can run on an android phone or not but I am going to 
try and find out.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Updates to the MultiUser plugin and the Single Executable version

Ed,

Tiddlers not showing up in the recents tab is a bug that I keep forgetting 
about, it isn't anything that you are doing wrong. I need to fix that 
before the release of 1.0.0. Like you said it is inconsistent so I have had 
a very hard time tracking it down. I think that it mainly happens when you 
create a tiddler without a text field but I am not sure that is always the 
case.

As for a 32bit version I can look into it. I am using the pkg module in 
node and it may be able to just create 32bit executables. I will check now, 
it maybe very simple to add. In the mean time you should be able to use the 
normal node version on the 32 bit computer.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Updates to the MultiUser plugin and the Single Executable version

2018-05-09 Thread Ed

Hi Jed,

First a big Thank You for all the work that you are inputting in TiddlyWiki,
with this  Multi-Acces TW.

I have been trying it out at my computer at work (Windows 10, 64bit) and it
works brilliantly. I can make on my own computer tiddlers that can appear
somewhere else over the internal network.

The desk next to me is not used every day (flexwork) so I can quickly try
out and see what is happening.

But at the moment there is one thing that behaves erratically and that is 
the "Recent-tab" Sometimes the date is there with the recently made 
tiddlers and sometimes nothing is seen under the tab.

This goes for my machine and also for the other computer. I can see that the
tiddlers are there, because when you use the search function the neatly 
pop-up.

In practice most of the time nothing shows up under the recent tab. I as it 
were
need to cajole the software to cough up the recently made tiddlers. Don't 
know
how it works of course.

Am I doing something wrong, as I followed the whole install procedure 
meticulously.
Anybody else has run into this problem. Any suggestions would be highly 
appreciated.

I hope to get more people here working with TW as a sort of interpersonal 
department-
related wiki. Now we are sometimes writing emails to each other, when we 
actually are 
sitting very close together. Clutters up the emailbox.

BTW, Jed, at home I have a 32bit computer, there I can't use it of course, 
Suppose a 32bit
version is not in the works?

Anyway, all the best!
Salut, Ed.





Op maandag 30 april 2018 00:07:44 UTC+2 schreef Jed Carty:
>
> There are some new updates to the (not yet renamed) multiuser plugin.
>
> There are a lot of updates to the inner workings since the last release of 
> the single executable. 
>
> It no longer shows the dirty indicator in most cases because it wasn't 
> accurate.
> It also fixes some errors from when there are errors in given paths.
> It adds a new command that starts the wiki without a server so it can be 
> used with an external server, like an express js server, to go with this 
> each web socket message is sent with an authentication token if one is 
> saved in localstorage.
> there will be fewer terminal messages now
> reconnecting to a server after losing the web socket connection is more 
> consistent
> You can export each wiki as a single file html, but it is imperfect. 
> Documentation for the new message is in the plugin. But there is something 
> weird where the html file works everywhere aside from importing it into 
> another wiki.
> The settings in the control panel are only available on the root wiki 
> because they should only be used there.
> There is a checkbox in the control panel that adds the list of available 
> wikis to a tab in the sidebar.
>
> The plugin repo is here
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-MultiUser
> The single executable version is available here
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-SingleExecutable/releases/tag/0.0.6
>
>
> If you want to support the development OokTech has a patreon page here
> https://www.patreon.com/OokTech
> or if you prefer there  is a link for PayPal here
>
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Re: [tw5] NoteSelf Editions

2018-05-09 Thread Enneco Gotzon

Making artificial brains –computers– to do what is desired.

Amazing knowledge… Amazing guys…

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 5:21 PM, Danielo Rodríguez 
wrote:

> We are proud to present NoteSelf Editions.
> *Different sets of plugins, the same data*
>
> One of the coolest things of NoteSelf is that you can install plugins on
> your notebooks and they will go along with your data everywhere your data
> goes. I really liked this and I take great advantage of it.
>
> But what when you want exactly the opposite ? To have your data totally
> independent of the plugins you use ? Well, *NoteSelf Editions* have you
> covered.
>
> Editions are NoteSelf versions focused on *concrete tasks*: edit markdown
> files, write code, testing the latest version of TW, etc.
> Every edition comes with a collection of plugins pre-installed where you
> can edit the data you already have. Why installing a plugin you are only
> going to use once or twice ? Just checkout to an edition containing it, use
> it, and come back to your regular edition again!
>
> Currently we have this editions:
>
>- online : the regular vanilla
>edition
>- developer : Codemirror and
>syntax highlighting for serious devs
>- markdown : Edit markdown
>tiddlers
>- edge : NoteSelf with latest
>version of tiddlywiki and new hot plugins. Untested, we go wild here
>- dev : non-minified code for
>debugging noteself itself
>
> Do you miss an edition ? Do you want your own mix of plugins ? No problem
> ! Ask for it. I’ll open an specific thread for asking for your own
> editions. The edition can be named however you want as long as it makes
> sense.
>
> Hope you enjoy this new feature.
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: HammerWidgets Plugin - v0.1.0

2018-05-09 Thread Enneco Gotzon

Amazing knowledge… Amazing guys…

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 9:38 AM, BurningTreeC 
wrote:

> BurningTreeC
>>
>> If your open to ideas I just want to say I have not yet gone down the
>> "touch interface" rabbit hole yet but I am impressed by the progress. Since
>> it looks like we can make Mobile first solutions can I ask you try and
>> bundle complete layouts?
>>
>
>
>
>> My focus is currently on information tools and they often need the
>> desktop but I know many will depend on a good mobile layout. I will be
>> publishing a lot to the community over the coming months as I have climbed
>> over the hump of my learning curve. It would be great if such layouts were
>> packaged so I could deliver them in mobile first.
>>
>
> Hi Tony, this shouldn't be reduced to touch-only or mobile-first. Except
> the pinch widget all widget work with the mouse, too - the same way as they
> work with a touch screen and fingers.
>
> Bundling complete layouts is a big task. I'm looking for a suitable layout
> for desktop use, that can be used for mobile, too - using the dynaview
> plugin that enables to see if the screen is big or small.
>
> I'm thinking about ONE layout first - I've played around with various
> layouts and that's the point where I'm open for ideas: finding a suitable
> layout.
> A layout where the strengths of the hammer widgets can be used to alter
> the editing, viewing and presenting experience.
>
> I hope that users can see that these layouts are just wikitext and css -
> that means if they can create a macro that filters tiddlers and they can
> style a list, they can also create layouts.
> I cannot create every possible layout a user could want by myself. I'm
> missing the time for that.
>
>
>>
>> I do not underestimate the effort here however I believe we need one last
>> push here to ensure tiddlywiki is relevant in todays mobile world.
>>
>> One of my projects is to provide a tool to generate View and Edit
>> Templates parallel to the default ones so you can mess with them and retain
>> transportable layouts, also alter the toolbar buttons for this alternate
>> view. I would be happy to share this work if anyone is going to use it.
>>
>
>  What I believe is that we could replace toolbar buttons with gestures in
> certain layouts/use-cases
>
> The swipe widget for example creates a div than can have 4 different
> actions (swipe up/left/right/down on the div) - that's one "button" instead
> of 4 and you can swipe with your mouse or your finger:
>
> <$swipe class="tc-swipe-me" leftactions="""<$action-dosomething/>"""
> upactions="""<$action-dosomething/>""" rightactions="""<$action-
> dosomething/>""" downactions="""<$action-dosomething/>"""/>
>
> The widget creates a div (can also be a different tag if you add
> tag="span") with class "tc-swipe-me" and you position it by css and give it
> a height and width. Or you build the swipe widget around content like:
>
> <$swipe leftactions="""<$action-dosomething/>""" upactions="""<$action-
> dosomething/>""" rightactions="""<$action-dosomething/>""" downactions="""
> <$action-dosomething/>""">
> This content is swipeable and dispatches different actions if swiping
> up/left/right/down
> 
>
> The tap, swipe and press widgets are pretty easy, they all work the same
> and they only recognize the gesture on the created element and dispatch the
> given action(s)
> The pan widget is the most versatile for layouts because it produces
> pointer coordinates in a state tiddler and they can be used very
> creativelly like:
>
> x/y - pads
> moving elements like tiddler content (see this tiddler:
> http://hammerwidgets.tiddlyspot.com/#Reorder%20Tiddler%20Content)
> creating drag-and-drop layouts
> drag-resizing tiddlers, sidebars
> showing/hiding panels
> ...
>
> The pinch widget is not very complex but stores the scale and rotation
> values in a state tiddler. They can be used to create:
>
> rotatable stuff like knobs
> zoomable stuff
>
>
> I've already built all of the things mentioned trying to figure out what
> works best in the environment they're interacting with
> So now I'd like to put those findings into a layout - and for that I'm
> open for ideas
>
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
> All the best, Simon
>
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Re: [tw5] [CSS] How To add Background Blur to your wiki

2018-05-09 Thread BurningTreeC


>
> Hi BurningTreeC
>
> It's a cool filter, is there a way that it doesn't get used on animation 
> frames?
> I have it on tiddler backgrounds and closing a tiddler creates something 
> like a temporary blur-artifact which I'd want to eliminate
>
> Something like .tc-tiddler-frame:not(is-animating) {
> -webkit-backdrop-filter: blur(10px);
> }
>
>
> That sounds like a browser bug; there are often glitches with the new 
> stuff.
>

That's possible - I forgot about the early state of it

 

> The other thing to watch is that the effect is intrinsically much, much 
> slower than an ordinary paint operation, particularly on mobile devices.
>

I'm using it more on my desktop which is powerful enough running a very 
lightweight linux. I was expecting bad performance on mobile devices.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Display tiddlers corresponding to a list of tags

2018-05-09 Thread Anthony Muscio

Thanks

For some a logical model is a great way to learn TiddlyWIkis filter.

Regards
Tony

Anthony Muscio
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On 9 May 2018 at 17:30, Jed Carty  wrote:

> Oh yes, and and or are backwards in the table. Now I need to figure out
> where I have the original so I can upload a corrected version. I just did a
> quick check and it looks like it is consistent everywhere else and just the
> table has it backwards.
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[tw5] Re: HammerWidgets Plugin - v0.1.0

2018-05-09 Thread BurningTreeC


>
> BurningTreeC
>
> If your open to ideas I just want to say I have not yet gone down the 
> "touch interface" rabbit hole yet but I am impressed by the progress. Since 
> it looks like we can make Mobile first solutions can I ask you try and 
> bundle complete layouts?
>

 

> My focus is currently on information tools and they often need the desktop 
> but I know many will depend on a good mobile layout. I will be publishing a 
> lot to the community over the coming months as I have climbed over the hump 
> of my learning curve. It would be great if such layouts were packaged so I 
> could deliver them in mobile first. 
>

Hi Tony, this shouldn't be reduced to touch-only or mobile-first. Except 
the pinch widget all widget work with the mouse, too - the same way as they 
work with a touch screen and fingers.

Bundling complete layouts is a big task. I'm looking for a suitable layout 
for desktop use, that can be used for mobile, too - using the dynaview 
plugin that enables to see if the screen is big or small. 

I'm thinking about ONE layout first - I've played around with various 
layouts and that's the point where I'm open for ideas: finding a suitable 
layout.
A layout where the strengths of the hammer widgets can be used to alter the 
editing, viewing and presenting experience.

I hope that users can see that these layouts are just wikitext and css - 
that means if they can create a macro that filters tiddlers and they can 
style a list, they can also create layouts.
I cannot create every possible layout a user could want by myself. I'm 
missing the time for that.
 

>
> I do not underestimate the effort here however I believe we need one last 
> push here to ensure tiddlywiki is relevant in todays mobile world.
>
> One of my projects is to provide a tool to generate View and Edit 
> Templates parallel to the default ones so you can mess with them and retain 
> transportable layouts, also alter the toolbar buttons for this alternate 
> view. I would be happy to share this work if anyone is going to use it.
>

 What I believe is that we could replace toolbar buttons with gestures in 
certain layouts/use-cases

The swipe widget for example creates a div than can have 4 different 
actions (swipe up/left/right/down on the div) - that's one "button" instead 
of 4 and you can swipe with your mouse or your finger:

<$swipe class="tc-swipe-me" leftactions="""<$action-dosomething/>""" 
upactions="""<$action-dosomething/>""" rightactions="""
<$action-dosomething/>""" downactions="""<$action-dosomething/>"""/>

The widget creates a div (can also be a different tag if you add 
tag="span") with class "tc-swipe-me" and you position it by css and give it 
a height and width. Or you build the swipe widget around content like:

<$swipe leftactions="""<$action-dosomething/>""" upactions="""
<$action-dosomething/>""" rightactions="""<$action-dosomething/>""" 
downactions="""<$action-dosomething/>""">
This content is swipeable and dispatches different actions if swiping 
up/left/right/down


The tap, swipe and press widgets are pretty easy, they all work the same 
and they only recognize the gesture on the created element and dispatch the 
given action(s)
The pan widget is the most versatile for layouts because it produces 
pointer coordinates in a state tiddler and they can be used very 
creativelly like:

x/y - pads
moving elements like tiddler content (see this 
tiddler: http://hammerwidgets.tiddlyspot.com/#Reorder%20Tiddler%20Content)
creating drag-and-drop layouts
drag-resizing tiddlers, sidebars
showing/hiding panels
...

The pinch widget is not very complex but stores the scale and rotation 
values in a state tiddler. They can be used to create:

rotatable stuff like knobs
zoomable stuff


I've already built all of the things mentioned trying to figure out what 
works best in the environment they're interacting with
So now I'd like to put those findings into a layout - and for that I'm open 
for ideas

>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
All the best, Simon
 

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[tw5] Re: Display tiddlers corresponding to a list of tags